10 Times DC Went Too Far

[@ahappyklingon3631]

If Jason Todd didn't die we would never have gotten Red Hood a far more interesting and better character.

[@newfacepaula]

but Jason didn't die... he is just written off brutality(thanks fans!) for a new sidekick.

[@amanzeihedioha]

I wouldn’t have seen him kick the shit outta pappy Bat. Does anyone remember the opening panel punch? Wooooh, chills~~

[@Berengier817]

Except he didn't die, and thus A Death in the Family was absolute bullshit

[@hjude3687]

@@Berengier817 he did die didn't he

[@ahappyklingon3631]

He was brought back to life thanks to the lazereth pits .

[@cassandracastro2759]

Is it just me or the art of that "earth shattering sex" looked like a bad fan comic?

[@johndavidtibbetts7320]

Hey you take that back, NO fan comic is as bad as TDKSA XD

[@mewow483]

Honestly, the art for the dark knight rises and all it's sequels and spinoffs is bad. Worse than a drunk rob liefeld bad.

[@reepacheirpfirewalker8629]

Frank Miller's art work has seriously gotten so sloppy looking.

[@hydrolito]

@@johndavidtibbetts7320 Okay I apologize for insulting fan or ex fan.

[@scotcarr3390]

Funny ol' world, innit? I get the feeling this plot point came from a throwaway line Miller had in a documentary about the "Daredevil" book from the Affleck DD film (which is criminally underrated after a whole bunch of the movie was restored in the director's cut. Miller mentions how he couldn't understand why superheroes wanted to be in romantic relationships w/"normal people". His view? Heroes & villains are hyper-operatic, so it stands to reason their intimate partnerships should be so as well. I wish I could remember the actual quote, but Miller states that enhanced people's "passions" should crack the Earth open. I understood what he meant, but, erm, poor choice of words?

[@pawlee77]

Joker didn't kill Jason Todd with a crowbar, he just beat him with one. The bomb killed him.

[@Dabajaws]

And his mom left him there like a piece of shit

[@hisnotsolonely2961]

Didn't joker set the bomb?

[@pawlee77]

@@hisnotsolonely2961 yes, but there video said he killed him with the crowbar.

[@nobodyknows8511]

He almost died because of Joker beating him with the crowbar, but the bomb finished him I guess :\

[@ygparlay]

Jason didn't die he escaped and came back as redhood

[@d4peters86]

2:36 To paraphrase Linkara, a confusing mess of a story that worships Batman to the point of making other heroes look bad. Even though Batman looks bad in this too.

[@derrickhaggard]

That's not Batman that's Crazy Steve.

[@dylanogg347]

The same can be said for the absolutely godawful JLA: Act of God.

[@d4peters86]

Dylan Ogg He actually compared them in that regard

[@d4peters86]

ULGROTHA I changed it. Thanks for pointing that out

[@dylanogg347]

@@d4peters86 ...Yes...

[@justacontrarian]

When Tarantula raped Nightwing on the roof of a building, when he was besides himself with grief after killing Blockbuster, should be on the list.

[@TheBatbike]

What were they thinking?!

[@jimmuscle2891]

This happened!?

[@biglion4631]

Guess they don’t care if it’s a female raping a male...

[@xaviercolon9124]

Holy Christ

[@justacontrarian]

Yes, it really happened. comicbookandbeyond.com/nightwing-raped-by-tarantula/

[@dontaskme7157]

Without death in the family we wouldn't have red hood or Tim Drake.

[@BenAndJakeLightsaber]

I love you guys, but you gotta not include the death of Jason Todd in EVERY top 10 story

[@fordderek2429]

Wally west being the killer pissed me off because it was the east ending.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

Fortunately, Flash 2021 Annual retconned that it was Savitar being the killer and not Wally.

[@brianwindsor7923]

I knew what number 1 was gonna be before I even started the video. How could it ever be anything else?

[@Unidad176]

I dont read comics and even me knew it.

[@ThePinkDragon]

Lian"s death was the cruest being a child a cilvin child

[@geardog24]

Superboy Prime is one of the worst character ever developed. What was once a fun hero a long time ago, is now a shrieking man child that slaughters everyone while whining about the "good old days".

[@amanzeihedioha]

Like the fan base!

[@kanalithviper4744]

Good idea for a villain, bad idea for a hero

[@Akkbar21]

Disagree. I like superboy prime. You need to admit what comics are. They aren’t classic literature. They are pulp fiction. Have fun.

[@derrickhaggard]

Basically Superboy Prime is essentially the modern-day toxic comic-book fan in comic form aka a whiny rage-inducing brat who throws a temper-tantrum every time something isn't exactly the way he/she want it.

[@d4peters86]

Akkbar ...What does them not being classic literature (which considering I’ve read some rest good classic comics I call bullshit on that remark) have anything to do with Superboy Prime?

[@TJFicarrotta]

What is it with DC turning their big heroes into murderers? 🙄🙄🙄

[@Jiggycob]

I dunno man...

[@MappaDoji]

Well, in one of the recent Tales From The Dark Multiverse comic it's actually shown, what would've happened if Maxvell Lord hadn't killed Blue Beetle. Long story short, it didn't end well.

[@dayneinsayne]

Let's make DC create a TFTDM 2.

[@nolastname]

Lian's death was cruel and pointless. The subsequent stories were less interesting and over dramatic because of it. And then D.C. erase everything. Thanks I hate it.

[@Dusty_B]

No kidding. Cry for Justice was terrible, but that was just unforgivable. DC could really care less about Wally and Roy it seems. Heck Nightwing too. Does DC have some sort of grudge against the Titans?

[@xanderg.1070]

Dusty B I think it was mainly Dan Didio cuz he like the dark and miserable aspects of DC and he hates legacy characters. But I really do hate how DC is treated the titans, I mean they were the team that helps the company when they were in slumping in sales in the 80s and were respected as their own team like the JL. And since the New52 they are treated like punching bags and jokes

[@joshuaingobo1559]

It’s a good thing that Lian, with no memories of her original life, was brought back to life in the pages of Catwoman.

[@yel.lightfoot]

Saying that Sue’s rape and murder in Identity Crisis was nothing more than something to “add maturity” to the story is not only stupid, but also ironically sort of sexist. The entire reason it’s so impactful is not just because it meant that the heroes had to worry about their identities being known, but also because Sue was an innocent that was a friend to and so close with the *entire* JLA. The rape and subsequent memory erasure was meant to further the lack of trustworthiness within the team and add the question of if her murder was as a result of collateral damage from Light’s actions.

[@runabout_3593]

Jules is terrible in this and more than half the choices are overreactions by Jules

[@IanMSantos]

Waitaminute... Did I miss something about "The Killing Joke" not being eligible?

[@DarkestHourVI]

I'm also surprised that "The Killing Joke" didn't make it on this list

[@craigwood9520]

Should have had that instead of #5 (a story I personally never acknowledge the existence of).

[@ranwolf1240]

@@craigwood9520 yet it explains a plot point that lasted nearly 20 years in DC

[@Dusty_B]

Probably would have too many people saying it was a quintessential Batman story.

[@LastFanStanding12]

3:10 "FINALLY decide to bone." They'd already boned at least once. Their child is a major character in the story. After the tsunami sex, Wonder Woman literally says (and I quote), "I'm pregnant again." 8:01 "Why?...This was done entirely to get a rise out the audience and served no narrative purpose whatsoever." I agree it was done to get a rise out the audience, but I disagree that it served no narrative purpose. The Joker had become such a known entity at this point thanks to films and TV that there was a need to remind the comic reading audience just how insanely twisted he really is.

[@Demothones]

The best ever... in the last few years is a bit of an awkward turn of phrase.

[@Hendozung]

L

[@jimmuscle2891]

More comics should do the" ask the audience " thing.

[@IfYouKnowYouKnow.]

11. When a rich guy who's a regular person defeated Superman.

[@joxerd]

I would add to the list Blue Beetle and Booster Gold deaths in Injustice. Come on I understand that new writers don't like the Blue and the Gold but killing the two! My feeling man!

[@dayneinsayne]

Barbara Gordon's crippling and rape was put in the cold cases file, I see.

[@laztoth3104]

Jules!!! Your the best! My 1 per list 👍👍👍GODSPEED STAY safe...

[@HereForTheComments]

Can someone, preferably Gail Simone, explain why it's "fridging" when it happens to Green Lantern, but iconic when it happens to Batman or Spider-Man? What's wrong with loss of a loved one as motivator?

[@cassandracastro2759]

That was a cheap trick to make a story about the hero going wild. She didn't have any character development beyond being the reason why the hero loses control. That is she only existed to brutally die and give the hero n excuse to go out and "be a hero" and do what heroes.do. Her death was made for the shock value of it. In the case of Spiderman (I'm guessing you're talking about Gwen), she had a good time for development, she was actualy liked by the public, and was the most likely aspect of a future "normal life" for Spiderman. Then she is killed because someone learned his true identity, which means her death is actually painful for the hero and the audience. She wasn't used as an excuse for the hero to act as a hero, her death was a defining factor for Parker's life. Her death was unexpected, but wasn't made for shock value, it happened to shape Spiderman's story, not to give an excuse to the hero for going ot and kill the evil guy. In other words, is not about the death itself, is about the meaning of it. Is wrong to kill a character to just give a reason to another character to act, that relegates her to just a mere tool.

[@Dusty_B]

@@cassandracastro2759 why exactly did they kill Gwen when Stan was out of the country again?

[@proximasilver8354]

Really great top. I specially like the commentary provided to each of the things listed. They were really spot on.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

Heroes in Crisis was batshit and they did my boy Wally sooooooooooo dirty, but it was worth the read for the therapy session pages. Some of those (like the one where Dove talks shit on Hawk) are pure gold.

[@joshuaingobo1559]

The time where DC comics went to far are making many reboots such as the New 52 and the upcoming 5G event that is sure to age and replace the original heroes with new and legacy heroes.

[@GabePuratekuta]

Comics can wear shoes?

[@tysondennis1016]

10 Times Marvel Went Too Far next

[@darkwoods1954]

I don't think they went too far killing off Jason Todd at all. They went to far by undoing it and bringing him back. Jasons death and Barbaras crippling really elevated the Joker as a threat. Both now being undone, undermining the stories and making everything Joker does inconsequential.

[@TevyaSmolka]

I hate heroes in crisis so much for making Wally west my flash into a murderer for no real reason just for bullshit and now he’s the new dr manhattan and away from his family specifically his wife Linda Parker and his kids iris west II and Jai west which is not only sad but really depressing on so many levels that it isn’t even funny.

[@Bat-talk]

Whaaaat robin’s eyes were supposed to be showing? That looks weird In some panels

[@Somsal]

@WhatCultureComics what was the pun??? The one having to do with Supes and WonderWoman????

[@darrenkeady6570]

Excuse me but can someone tell me what part of Green Lantern #54 is a soft Reboot please as i would like to know.

[@glassesman15]

Well put w the last entry

[@Morninqstar]

2:35 The art style for the book described in #8 looks like doodoo butter.

[@Materminds187]

Here’s the thing about Ted Lord’s death, he stood for his ideals to the end despite having a gun to his head, he could have chosen to join Lord and become the same tyrant he had become to survive but he chose not to and told him to “Go to Hell” before he died

[@amanzeihedioha]

It took this long to read it, Jules?😅

[@teddybeargodzila5364]

So how should rape be addressed in comics?

[@SkyeBerryJam]

You guys should talk about ultimatum if you want to talk about going too far Marvel BTW

[@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097]

if they did this video for Marvel it would all be in the Ultimates universe (other than maybe the inbred hulks in old man logan)

[@SkyeBerryJam]

@@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 Yeah that and marvel zombies lol

[@nolastname]

Killing a character is the moment the writer gave up and goes for the cheap shot. It shocks for minutes and has an everlasting stench. Like in the movie "man of steel" where Superman should have find another way to end the conflict with Zod. I don't say never kill but it shouldn't be use as such a recurring narrative tool. D.C's Identity Crisis wasn't better for the rape or death of Sue or the death of Tim Drake's father. It tainted the message of getting close to your loved ones which should have what we took away from the story.

[@h8dallas420]

so i guess you forgot about how superheros couldn't trust one another after batman didn't want to have Light's mind wiped so the others decided he had to lose his memory too, the book wasn't about what happened to sue and the other families affected or it would have followed up with Ralph and Tim better instead it focused on the distrust the heros have against one another. the end is batman being suspicious of wally west because of his behavior around him. This comes to Batman making Brother Eye which leads to Infinite Crisis. Sue and Jack Drake's deaths meant nothing.

[@tonyknighton4019]

@@h8dallas420 ...

[@Dusty_B]

@@h8dallas420 oh Brother Eye. Yeah, the entire focus of that moronic Futures End comic. I think we were better off without it.

[@h8dallas420]

Dusty B such a random story and shitty ending, although I did like 50 sue

[@hydrolito]

Killing Zod made sense in Man of Steel, taking the fight from the country to a crowded city did not make sense. Superman 2 they killed Zod and his followers by knocking them from a height after they lost their powers so were no longer a threat. Also Superman dropped Lois Lane in first Superman scaring her half to death that version of Superman was a jerk. They showed him save Lois though they did not show anyone saving Zod and his followers in Superman 2.. They are also not mentioned again at the end of the movie.

[@nickschwaller3154]

wow you guys really do get offended by bloody anything.

[@adam1984pl]

"Rape,I like rape".Blazzing saddles -Mel Brooks.

[@LenHazell]

The rape of Sue in identity Crisis was the perfect counterpoint to the Mental rape of not only Dr. light who is traumatised in to being a simpleton, but also Batman which is why he is outraged when it is revealed what was done to him, the whole story being about violation and abuse of power. Ultimately the revelation of who the murderer of Sue is, sets the story up for redemption and redress, when Atom does the right thing rather than what might, given what has gone before, might seem understandable. As for not being sensitively handled, have you actually read Identity Crisis?

[@loganmansiongames]

To be far More people called Jason Todd's/Robin's death number so It was the Caller that created this story.

[@davidmartin3450]

What a lame review, Identity Crisis is incredible and had just as much consequence to the greater DC universe as any Crisis before it, changing allegiances and power dynamics. Giving B & C level characters their due. Also, screw the notion that everything horrible that happens daily IRL, had to be tastefully done and has to contain some contrived moral lesson or, as the modern comics industry has done only to see sales plummet, is talk down to them about some issue or self censor and give us something less memorable, interesting, or an overall lack wtf moments. Oh and all side characters, regardless of gender, will always the a plot device to further the narrative of the protagonist....I mean for fucks sake, a puppy died to motivate 3 John Wick movies...Gail Simone had a shitty take, that due to the sheer fact that most superhero's were men at that moment, their love interests were usually the first to go. Oh and many female characters use the same plot device, I guess it's only sexist for one gender to use that writing trope

[@dominicrigsby8547]

Thank you. I agree with everything you stated. Identity Crisis was damn good and the reaction to the fridge death is way overblown

[@jerrydunham2042]

As a fan who voted to kill off Jason Todd, I'm angry with DC for bringing him back. He sucked then and he sucks now. I dont understand what you all see in him Back in the 90's DC was ready to make major changes in comics. Superman dies, Batman back was broken and Hal Jordan turned evil. They were ready to make a great change, then they chickened out. A shame, I can only imagine what great stories we could have gotten in that change. Now, here we are. Superman and Batman over 75 years old. Now more than ever, DC needs to make some drastic changes. But they are still heads above Marvel and whatever the hell they are doing there

[@sadwhitesoxfan17]

You know comics should be violent right? Why, because that's what we want!

[@gino8381]

Thanks for spoiling Heros in Crisis I was waiting for it to get translated in to my language .

[@Dusty_B]

If it makes you feel any better that comic sucked and wasn't worth reading. I have a feeling whatever good story Tom King had to tell was destroyed probably by editorial mandates. I find it especially likely with how well known it was about some higher-ups feelings about Wally in general. Check out Strange Adventures that is just now coming out from King when you can. It's way way better than Heroes in Crisis was already and nobody seems to really be talking about it yet, so maybe the mystery will stay one for you.

[@tonyknighton4019]

Congrats guys: you created the Red Hood (Jason Todd)

[@armoroftruth3166]

Lian harper death was WAY OVER THE LINE!

[@dculto4201]

In Secret Six amazons were slaved, Deadshot kills a child and the suicide is the very cheap option too

[@marvelghost]

Do one for Marvel

[@hydrolito]

Wonder Woman got cut by the Paperman how powerful can she be? Do these people ever bother to read their own stories and how did the writers ever finish Elementary school? Coyotes are faster than Road Runners also, a faster running bird would be an Emu.

[@g2theartist]

Why isn't the killing joke up here?

[@TheKeyser94]

When is to far? When repeating the same story a thousand times make comics become stall and stagnant, you should push the boundaries, go beyond the status quo, prove new things, if it fails, it fails, but sometimes originality pay offs, I really getting tired of the same old trends in Marvel and DC comics, so much that I now read Belgium-French comics.

[@LKaramazov]

Is anyone else shocked that anyone actually reads DC anymore.

[@chelseaheineman4620]

Haha everyone still reads it including me, DC comics are popular as hell

[@chelseaheineman4620]

What do you mean? They're popular as hell

[@conradojavier7547]

I bet Rian Johnson is a Fan of those Comics.

[@MikefromTexas1]

Didn't Batman have sex with Wonder Woman too? I wonder who's better.

[@MrRonald327]

Excessiveness makes for good stories.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

No it doesn't.

[@MrRonald327]

@Matthew Walton: I was kidding.

[@Canadamus_Prime]

@@MrRonald327 Oh.... then never mind.

[@TylerTour]

#3 is the worst art I've seen in a year.

[@stvp68]

Mark H worse than the Frank Miller Wonder Woman shown here?

[@rockamillion2002]

Then you’re an idiot.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

The rape and mutilation trope is why they should never make comics out of any of James Patterson's novels.

[@eissenhvr]

Lol, that got dark

[@NEARReiCtor8799]

Thankfully maxwell lord killed blue beetle

[@emeraldcoastarcher]

Stop rehashing the same 7 stories, please.

[@efaristi9737]

yes finally for Jason Todd, it is the fans who voted for his death so who is going too far? DC or the fans? I personally lean for the fans, you really have to have a problem to vote for the death of a child, even a boring imaginary character.

[@glassesman15]

ohhai julzz

[@bobdole7451]

Did you just try to justify that gore is somehow better than rape? They're both equally awful, gore and death is just something we're so out of touch with in our culture that we rarely take it seriously and view it as something that only happens in movies.

[@stvp68]

Can you proofread your pronunciation please? Gail Simon? Geoff Jones? Karl Rayner?

[@jaakkoheinonen685]

#"too far"...

[@Daviticus042]

Good video. Now do Marvel.

[@thatdood9303]

What was the point in number 10? It’s not going “too far” if that’s what readers wanted

[@Dusty_B]

The asking people to call a 1-900 number to vote is definitely going too far.

[@hydrolito]

@@Dusty_B Did they dial a number they had to pay for that is to far why would anyone call?

[@maximkusanagi]

I'm here early

[@laztoth3104]

Made a BEAUTIFUL LADY PASS OUT!! BUT NEVER KILLED HER WITH SEX 👍👍👍👍👍 " IF SHE DIES SHE DIES" MY ONE PER LIST 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@carlostamilla6407]

You guys starting to get repetitive

[@ConTrollerNorth2]

They're COMICS, dude! Be it language, sex, violence, or racism there is no such thing as "..too far!" That's what the illusion of freedom of speech was put in place for.

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

Killing Jason Todd was NOT "too far". I spent my phone vote money to do it, dammit! Stuff your opinion...

[@ShempDavidNiven]

I really don't much like Frank Miller, finding him obnoxious pretentious _and_ insufferable. But he used to be a striking artist, so at least his books were nice to look at. DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN seems to signal a new Frank Miller - one with both hands mutilated in a bizarre gardening accident and now incapable of drawing. My God...look at that horrible, horrible art. It beggars belief that DC paid him in actual money for this.

[@channel99productions21]

Identify Crisis was a good story though

[@dylanogg347]

Well said on that last one Jules, couldn't have put it better myself.

[@Metalbloodlord]

Doomsday clock sucks

[@dominicrigsby8547]

Jules this list sucked

[@Thescott16]

0:23 As much as you would expect successful superhero movies to translate into comic book sales, that isn't always the case. Especially when they insist on getting so woke that they're insulting not only the characters their writing about, but the fans who want to enjoy reading about them.

[@lisagalvan6884]

Oh my God can you shut tf up about "woke sjws" for one second you unsalted French fry. Go cry in the bathroom.

[@popsicleicecream4198]

One of the first comments

[@agentpkelly71]

I always thought the death of Jason Todd was a waaaaay older story, like from the 60s! But nope.

[@chelseaheineman4620]

Ikr some stories looks like they're from the 60s or 70s, I thought Knightfall was from the 70s but it was in the 90s

[@Akkbar21]

The pearl clutching over violent panels in these lists lately is kinda odd. I don’t think it’s whatsoever how people feel. Feels like gaslighting.

[@neoconker2k8]

Boo

[@Merylstreep1949]

#11...Trying to copy the formula of the MCU, three years behind....lolz

[@ifuaskedme2]

second

[@From-North-Jersey]

If you are going to act like you know comics maybe you should get the names right. Who the hell is gail simmons? Perhaps you mean Gail Simmone the destroyer of intellectual properties? The woman who's writing ability is a one trick pony that sends every book she touches to the depths of the sales chart? Is that the Gail Simmons you are talking about? She is the grim reaper when it comes to titles, every single one she touches dies or spends forever bleeding cash on life support because she twitters up a storm about "my book was canceled because they don't like women at (insert name of comics company dumb enough to hire her here). Marvel and DC may both go out of business this year thanks to the quality writing of SJW's like Gail and how they drove away all the people who were buying comics. She is a cancer that is killing the industry and you called her wonderful. At least the one with the ears seems to know where a comic book shop is located, but this Oedipus guy with the beard is a hack and a half.

[@instagramfucc5820]

Lmao so ppl are too sensitive, that’s what I’ve learned

[@danhathaway7984]

I agree

[@iforgottbh4488]

They should go over the top allll the time.

[@brynellsidney3983]

Me: the death of Jason Todd should be low cause fans voted for it. Whatculture: #10.....The death of Jason Todd! Me: 👍🏽

[@derekthompson8706]

You sjw kill me.

[@stvp68]

Can you proofread your pronunciation please? Gail Simon? Geoff Jones? Karl Rayner?

[@stvp68]

Can you proofread your pronunciation please? Gail Simon? Geoff Jones? Karl Rayner?