15 Factors Comparison Space Marine vs Spartan II

Detailed Space Marine vs Spartan II- Coming from the Halo universe, the Spartans are super soldiers that were pivotal for the survival of humanity against alien threats like the covenant and the forerunners. They started as young kids being kidnapped, at least with the Spartan 2s, and they had to undergo a series of training and bio enhancing processes which includes augmentations and adorning the Power exoskeleton called Mjolnir. They are superhuman soldiers which far exceed the abilities of a normal person. So, what about the Space marine? These are transhuman soldiers and the greatest of the god emperor’s soldiers. They are barely Human at all, but superhuman; having been made superior in all respects to a normal man by a harsh regime of genetic modification, psycho-conditioning and rigorous training. They are untouched by plague or any natural disease and can suffer wounds that would kill a lesser being several times over. They are physically stronger, far more resilient and have genius level intellects. So with this introduction over, lets get to comparing them - pointwise.
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[@dantewilliams2757]

The only thing I can say against this vid is that is comparable to necron technology or dark age humanity not imperial technology however this is one of the best comparison ids I’ve seen for this topic keep up the great work

[@crimsonknight7011]

“One point for the Emperors Children” Wait, why are we bringing those hedonists into this?

[@dankovskimark4540]

Ancient Rylanor would like to know your location.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@dankovskimark4540 He needs a hug because his legion became really weird :(

[@monolithic7739]

I'm commenting my upvote to keep this at 69 likes

[@BeatmasterAC]

"Master Chief is the exception. He has the most Luck..." Wh40K: "Greetings Imperial Citizen, I am Cato Sicarius."

[@ejirinbourne9130]

"It is I, Cato Sicarius" I will never hear Sicarius' voice the same again thanks to tts

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@ejirinbourne9130 Calgar: * Ultra Sigh *

[@involuntaryanalysis]

@@BeatmasterAC Same with ULTRA-depressed Calgar. I miss TTS. That whole thing was just glorious.

[@andrew-rn9ui]

And he has cortana, ai is banned in Warhammer, I wonder what cortana could do if her and chief got to Mars and she started waking up old tech Her and chief could single handedly take over the imperium the adeptus mechanics would probably follow them and maybe the tech marines If the golden throne and the emperor is a weapon from the age of technology as theorized cortana could probably buttfuck him too 😂😅

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@andrew-rn9ui And why do you think A.I. is banned in WH40K? Chaos. Cortana would get instantly corrupted and possessed by Chaos, would suddenly Scream "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" and fry Master Chief's Brain. After that, Khorne's laughter echoes through Real Space and the Warp.

[@Halberd1216]

The difference in the representation of Space Marines in video games and literature is quite profound, quite likely for obvious balancing in the games. Video Games. Marines are essentially just big humans in bulky armour with large guns and melee weapons....walking tanks and damage sponges that deal hurt out. Literature. Marines are described as super-human/trans human/demi-gods. Incredibly fast in movement and reactions ( humans often perceive them only as blurs of frenzied movement ) Highly intelligent and able to formulate advanced and complex battle plans on the fly and to take control of allied forces. Hugely strong and resistant to damage and having the ability to heal most injuries....basically described as apex predators even without their armour and weapons that only multiply their lethality to incredible levels.

[@awesomeduck8045]

Then there are the Custodes...

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

@@awesomeduck8045 and Primarchs

[@nutbug445]

And playing the space marines as they are described in the book would be impossible as the player's reflexes and senses would be overwhelmed

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

@@nutbug445 Same to Halo Games, Spartans are not as Fast as in the Games Likely preventing you to be OP as well as Enemies that could be as fast as you

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@nutbug445 well, the whole game from the Astartes’s perspective would have to be in slow motion. It’d be like playing a slower Quicksilver, but with power armor and a full-auto elephant gun

[@de-landen885]

I think this was said in another video comparing Spartans and Astartes; It's more appropriate to gauge the Spartans with the Scout Marines rather than standard Marines due to their similar roles on the battlefield. Obviously, a Tank will destroy an APC in a one-on-one fight, but it'd be foolish to compare the two in their combat performance based on that scenario alone. Still always an interesting topic of discussion

[@DocWolph]

I personally refer to HALO Spartans to "Astartes Lite".

[@stuartemmanuel3735]

Quit beating around the bush , Space Marines CRUSHES Spartans , there I SAID IT.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

Mjolnir armour weighs more than Space Marine armour... and goes Nuclear lol Spartan ALWAYS wins, just the energy fields alone make Chief immune to Plasma, Mjolnir can also withstand panitary entry, meaning Melta's are useless. Spartans can also lift the scorpion tank. And I'm a Blood Angels player...

[@spookypepper6900]

@@stuartemmanuel3735 In a fist fight? Maybe, but that Space Marine is still gonna be leaving with some scars from it. I'm not GW, I don't like to give Space Marine plot armor. If the two were gonna fight, likely it's not gonna be a fist fight. Range is the name of the game. Space Marines, who love to get into melee would be at a disadvantage tactic wise even with a gun as good as the Bolter. They may win more times than not, but it's not gonna be easy, sorry to say.

[@RoulicisThe]

@@stuartemmanuel3735 Depends what generation of Spartans we're talking about. Spartan II and III might stand a chance : their armor can tank direct plasma hits after all, so it compares pretty well to Astarte's power armor, and their physical prowess comes pretty close to Astarte's enhancements except for durability (Astartes have redundant vital organs, meaning even a strike to the heart isn't a guaranteed kill). As long as the spartan doesn't end up against a veteran, an officer or a chaplain, the matchup seems pretty fair. If the spartan is a IV however it's not even worth talking about it, he's just gonna get squashed >

[@Artour]

As much as I like Spartans I think they are no much for Space Marines. Master Chief is an exception, he is to Spartans as Custodes to Space Marine

[@fortheemperor8764]

Nah, I'd say he's like a really strong chapter master like Calgar or Dante.

[@OBELISK3210]

Custodes are pinnacle of space marines, only thing Spartan has over custodes is Spartan won’t be bent into chaos, custodes aren’t as mentally resistant to chaos & demons hence having sisters of silence to work with them to fight them.

[@TheEdemund]

@@OBELISK3210 Custodes are resistant to chaos, marines are not.

[@diogorocha9837]

@@OBELISK3210 Custodes, Gray Knights and Sisters of Silence are immune to corruption

[@OBELISK3210]

@@diogorocha9837 custodes aren’t immune to corruption not the ones that guard the emperor, maybe another segment of custodes but 100% not those ones.

[@WarriorVirtue]

One major edge the UNSC would have over the Imperium is adaptability. The Imperium literally considers innovation to be a sin, whereas the UNSC would not hesitate to reverse engineer any Imperial tech they got their hands on. And if their history with stolen Covenant tech is any indication, they would probably improve on it.

[@Antsrule]

And also Forerunner

[@cinemasurge1851]

Idk if they’d have the time with the size of the imperial fleet, if the imperium gave them time then yes they probably would, but I just don’t know if they have the manpower needed to win

[@Nerdy4Life]

Yes and no. The 40k Mechanicus definitely consider some types of innovation sinful and some tech like Ai is outright banned. However, like a lot of things in 40k, it's not clear cut. Various Imperial factions routinely study xenos/old/other technology (including the Mechanicus) and back engineering does occur, though it's often framed as 'recovering' lost technology. The Imperium is so big that generalising gets difficult and there is plenty of room inter-faction disagreement on what is/isn't allowed.

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

You can't Innovate against magic, mate.

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

The moment psykers enters the field, your tech would be rendered useless against space magic.

[@Tanblch]

If i remember correctly. Spartan 2 program was made to create a highly efficient counter incurgency units due to many colonies had problems in terms compliance, sabotaje, or completly going rogue. Concept that fell to backside as quickly as colonies began to turn into a glassed crators. Astartes are made by the emperor of mankind himself to be a goddanm powdercake hammer from bloodborne. To beat any opposition either into complete submition, or the red mist. And their gear shows it quite prominently. Bolters rips flesh into bits, meltas literaly melt through enemy armor. Hell. not many universes have coffins on legs with rotary autocanons and flamethrowers. All i can say that they can't be compaired due to the purpose they were made for.

[@sorrenblitz805]

The Spartan II project was, to put it quite simply, built to quell rebellion in the outer colonies. It wasn't just isolated incidents, the UEG was at full blown civil war with the Insurrection. The Spartans in lore were mostly only just barely more capable than normal Marines against the Covenant. We were losing really hard to the Covenant.

[@sorrenblitz805]

The only Character I've seen that Out scales Warhammer in any media, is the Doom Slayer. His strength and speed are Canonically infinite and his armor has the ability to heal wounds and reload his guns, (all of which he's able to carry with him at the same time at all times) by continuing to fight and kill demons. Nothing but Demons can harm him anyway due to the Divinity Machine. And his character arc includes him killing the original creator of all realities, who is also a separate yet connected incarnation of himself.

[@NexusGaming857]

I've discussed this with a friend. Strength, speed, reflexes and reaction time wise, the Spartans are comparable to an Astartes. They just lack durability, while firepower can be debatable. How would one compare the humble lasgun to the spartan laser?

[@GiRR007]

Only the primarchs were made by the emperor himself, and maybe the custodes, the marines though get made by others. Similar to how spartans are made.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@sorrenblitz805 The doom slayer is kind of a weird blend of a grey knight and eversor assassin from 40k. The resistance to corruption, quasi-magical abilities and daemon-killing specialty of a grey knight (also the sentinels aesthetic) The "I don't fucking care what's between point A and B but if there's anything in my way I will murder it in the worst way possible" of an eversor assassin

[@fediken83]

We would like to thank the Spartan program for their use of a test subject. The Ultramarines welcome the Spartan project into the ranks of the Ultramarr Auxilla, they shall become the finest of the Imperial Guard from our sector. It's not much of a contest honestly. They have a few physical skills that are a bit compareable, but the Spartans don't measure up to an Astartes Battle Brother. I'd love to see a version of the Spartans as Elite Guard units however.

[@angerskarin9222]

They would probably make for really good assassin or special force, but lore wise spartan in mark 6 and up are stronger then spacemarine by a bit.

[@MrCovi2955]

"They are equally fast" True, but getting hit by a spartan running at that speed is like getting hit by a car. Getting hit by an astartes at that speed is like getting hit by an M1 Abrams Tank. One is just so much bigger and heavier than the other.

[@alexisbaz8746]

Spartans weight rougly half a ton in armor.

[@Mr.Joe_Daddy]

spartans weigh more in armor than astartes

[@jwoods5690]

​@@Mr.Joe_DaddyMjolnir weighs more than Space Marine Power Armor, but a Spartan outside of armor weighs considerably less. A naked space marine weighs only about 300 pounds less than a full suit of Mjolnir armor, and I highly doubt that Space Marine armor only weighs 300 pounds. I would say that the average Space Marine in full kit weighs more than a Spartan in full kit.

[@Mr.Joe_Daddy]

@@jwoods5690 you forget that the lore is so wildy inconsistent in 40k that you can't guarantee that. Not to mention the fact that some spartans utilize different variations of mjolnir that can compensate.

[@DemitriVladMaximov]

Space Marines are supposed to be completely over the top, like all WH40K, but I think the moment that they see John-117's service record the Space Wolves would give him a drink, the Salamanders would give him a hug, the Ultramarines would check luck skills, and the Imperial Fists would give him a thumbs up. As for the Ravenguard, they probably would leave a card saying "good job".

[@angerskarin9222]

He did kill millions, it would make them proud a human killed so many zeno.

[@duloth5518]

If he didn't have Cortana around at the time, they'd probably consider him a good candidate to become a scout marine.

[@shotgunsandsmoke]

The X Legion might lend him a hand

[@toddbatchelder9380]

@@duloth5518 Well, he could use his charisma to convince them that Cortana is a highly advanced, yet formless Servitor.

[@alexl6644]

Beautiful and eloquent answer, my friend.

[@CMTechnica]

With the sheer discrepancy in augmentations between Spartans and Astartes, they can’t be compared. Astartes were made to be the angels of death, walking one man war machines. 20 odd implants, a touch of the warp, and originally crafted by a god Barring the games, because games are meant to be fun and balanced, Spartans are only strong when in their fireteams. Even then, a handful are hardly enough to turn the tide of war. Chief is literally the only exception: he has luck, he’s the player character. We’re not talking about him. A single plasma round is enough to cripple them in Mjolnir armor. With the level of augmentations they have compared to space marines, they’re the equivalent to Kasrkin or Scions. Shock troopers, commandos, lightly augmented infantry in comparison. All they have are metal grafted bones and the neural suite to properly wear Mjolnir without harming themselves; a brute or elite is more than enough to kill a Spartan, realistically. A demon is just unfair - a Halo fan

[@ezonplays2260]

The reason why they added that they were a halo fan was to provide credibility. John.

[@Epsilvonic]

Correct me if I’m wrong but neither Kasrkin nor Scions have augmentations nearly as strong as the IIs. It just seems to me that IIs represent a specific caliber of soldier that isn’t represented in the Imperium, as they’re most comparable to three of the four Assassin houses (obviously not Culexus) in terms of function but clearly outclass them in terms of capabilities.

[@jasutinborchert4418]

A single plasma round is enough to kill an Astartes unless they are equipped with devices that generate energy shields, which aren’t that common. Regular 40k ammunition (armor piercing tracer rounds) is also capable of shattering power armor eye lenses. We have also seen AI disable astartes power armor.

[@GiRR007]

"Spartans are only strong in their fireteams" What? Like literally ALL of the halo games are of a single spartan alone doing his own thing in battles. If anything its the space marines that rely on squad coordination more than spartans, often compared to a pack of wolves. Compared to like custodes which are stated to fight more individualisticall similar to lions. Master chief isnt different from any of the other spartans, plot armor isn't an actual feat. He's a completely average spartan, hes not the best at anything, not speed, strength, intelligence, ect. The surgeries spartans went though is VERY much comparable to space marines, literally having to grind off the top layer of their bone and replacing it with metal, having to invert the inside of their eyes. Rewire their entire nervous system, ect. Most of their power comes from their armor anyway which is fine since its more advanced than space marine armor.

[@discipleofdagon8195]

​@@Epsilvonic An eversor would kill, eat and fuck chief in that order.

[@titanosaurdy9493]

Now imagine the imperium has spartans as sub space marines but this time they make their own augumentaions

[@vinnerocius8372]

Yea they"re called tempestus scions

[@titanosaurdy9493]

​@@vinnerocius8372 forgot that one thanjs

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@vinnerocius8372are the scions augmented? And if they are, I’m not sure they’d be on the level of a spartan. A spartan, to me, looks like what you’d end up with if you ordered the Assassinorum Temples to make a frontline soldier.

[@gfgffdd]

​@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 They are not augmented. They are just highly trained and maybe a llitle augmented with cyberneticts( but still normal people) special forces. A sparten 2 would rip a tempestus apart easely.

[@alexkatc59]

@@gfgffdd Typical newbie mistake. ALL scions as stormtroopers before them was genetilically improved and cybernatically enhanced. Lightly, of course. And by Imperium standarts Spartans-II was lightly cybernatically enhanced.

[@carlosiyanaszca]

How is it that Spartans inferior but are able to take down fleets of enemies but a single space marine can't even take down a carnifex

[@aaronpingol1566]

because everything in 40k are op

[@tiagojohannes5920]

@@aaronpingol1566the forerunners solo 40k tho. Not being biased I love both but if you knew anything about Halo lore you would know how stupidly advanced the forerunners were. Everything in modern day halo gets clapped tho but most 40k factions. UNSC would beat the Tau tho.

[@Antsrule]

@@tiagojohannes5920 agreed. Forerunners have numbers on their side and if you think about wars that happen in real life the side with the most numbers win

[@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ]

Difference of power scaling due to difference of universes. Look, I love halo, more than Warhammer but Warhammer is too OP compared to many other gaming universes and I'm new and haven't even seen their peak achievements so far.

[@gbishop1774]

And don't forget the astartes have several redundant organs including a 2nd heart and 3rd lung so even if you land a shot that penetrates their armor and then their rib plate (yes their rib cage was fused into a solid, incredibly durable, plate) and takes out a heart or lung it's still not a guaranteed kill. On top of that their organs are also just super advanced in general so even a clean headshot may not drop them either. And just to top it off they have an insane pain tolerance. Like i'm pretty sure that for things that we'd consider low to medium pain they don't even feel it so even if you do land some shots they're just gonna shake it off and keep going. Really the best way to take down anything in 40k is with an overwhelming amount of firepower, anything less and there's always a chance that all you did was piss off whatever you were trying to kill. Oh and 1 last thing. I don't think their life span has ever been mentioned, we do know that they can and have lived past 1000 years, but they usually start slowing down around that time, however there has never been a space marine that has died of natural causes. There was an alien species that could rapidly age people and they did that to kill astartes, but we're talking like hundreds of years if not thousands in just a couple minutes, literally turning them into dust on the spot. A primarch was also hit by it and i think he was aged by like 3000 years or so, but that was a primarch so small things like being aged by 3000 years in a few minutes doesn't really affect them

[@colingrim7392]

That was the Hrud, they aged Perterabo 3000 yrs as well as one of his warriors, Dantiock I think. He lived on to become an awesome badass lol

[@michaelreece3937]

That book is the perfect example of the extremes between marines and Spartans. The iron warriors couldn't even defeat the hrud, they escaped because they didn't like the marines burning their books and wanted to keep their knowledge safe. They didn't care about actually dealing with them. If they stayed and fought. They probably could of crippled the iron warriors entirely.

[@angerskarin9222]

A spartan would most likely guess the armor is a waste of time and aim for softer spot like the neck, people keep saying its a easy stomp but the fight would be a lot closer then most think.

[@GiRR007]

The redundant organs dont make to much snese realistically. If a marine gets hit with something that can pierce his armor in 40k its gonna be doing EVEN WORSE stuff to the squishy human inside. They've been taken out by a luck las gun shot before so they arent by any means invincible.

[@michaelreece3937]

@@GiRR007 of course not, they aren't invincible but they are alot harder to kill than you might expect when fighting them. A fully armoured marine is only really killable (from a guardsmen) with a lasgun if you hit him through the eye lens. Because of his anatomy body shots aren't effective unless massed. And yes, a boltgun shell that manages to land a clean shot on his chest, if it pens will likely kill him with the explosion from the shell wiping out half his insides. But this is comparing a Marine to other threats in Warhammer. Marines are very mortal there. But v a Spartan. The Spartan is not likely to kill him unless he's lucky in the extreme, The assault rifle is much less accurate than a lasgun. And less powerful. Only heavy weapons might be able to give him a chance. But if that marine closes. It's game over. Unless he scores a kill shot on the marine, he won't stop him due to previous stated body enhancements.

[@joshuablakeney2983]

A spartan is supposed to have a 20 millisecond reaction time. A cats reaction time is between 20-70 milliseconds. A human eye blink is 100-400 milliseconds. Space marines have been described as sidestepping during a blink and being somewhere else by the time the eye opens. So it puts the space marines as bare minimum 99 milliseconds (faster then an eye blink) at the very least? But are they as fast as 20 milliseconds? In the table top rules they had the same initiative as an Eldar guardian and the Eldar are insanely fast and agile so who knows really?

[@alexkatc59]

Sidestepping and just reaction time are different things. Reaction time is a time between something and start of your action reacting on this. Sidestepping is a time between something and end of your action.

[@wargolemx102]

LMAO you can't compare the games tabletop or otherwise to the actual lore. Marines have reacted to stuff they can't bodily dodge. Space Marines in the novels have reacted to bolters fired at, like, 4 meters or something. The space marines I read about wasn't even a main character, just a battle brother caught so close he couldn't dodge BUT he could swipe, so he swatted the bolt round with his knife. Another reacted at "point blank" and couldn't dodge either, so he swatted with his hand, lost his hand at the act however. That's some stupid reaction action times, like, you can't even imagine an 8-foot tall guy swatting bullets like that. Even THAT response is in the lore - transhuman dread, a state where the baseline human freezes because they can't comprehend seeing marine in action.

[@jammin1881]

@@wargolemx102 Exactly. They swat aside hyper Sonic rounds or in some cases have psi powers and read the thoughts of opponents. Mind reading commanders or eating brain matter to gain access to weapons systems and shut down codes.

[@orionakd]

In epinephrine, spartanII has a much faster response time of less than 20 ms. In armor, the speed can be increased 5 times faster

[@angerskarin9222]

@@wargolemx102 Why not every one is using halo games as lore when the games like 40k are watered down version.

[@andre1173]

I like Halo. I love spartans BUT Astartes aren't human in a sense. They are gene edited apex predators who will have zero trouble deleting spartans. The Emperor is no slaggard. 😊Spartans will even have a hard time even keeping up with a neophyte, all of them COMBINED!

[@JohnDoe-wt9ek]

The SPARTAN-II program was a one off special forces top secret project. And the means to make them was incredibly arduous AND had a high attrition rate. Of the 120 or so candidates taken at the age of 6, by their completion and receiving the MK I Mjolnir Armor (Book: Fall of Reach), they had roughly a platoon left of the original company sized group of individuals. Much of them lost from training accidents, and over half of them from the augmentation procedures. By the time the Human-Covenant War began, there was no plan in place to begin a new batch of SPARTAN-II's. And the SPARTAN-III program would begin under the tutelage of another UNSC ONI Officer on Onyx, but they're development was rooted in a bit of morbid necessity as the various groups of orphans (as opposed to kidnapped children) taken, trained and augmented, would often be sent on suicide missions that had a near total 100% casualty rate, but their missions were also profoundly necessary and deep behind Covenant lines on vital infrastructure, logistics, and command structure. The SPARTAN-IV program was headed by the UNSC itself and took volunteers due to a refined form of the process. But even then, they're still few in number and their resilience still paled in comparison to the SPARTAN-II's. The Space Marine, on the other hand, was hand crafted with the purpose of conquest and dominance of the war zone. And the original 20 Legions all had specializations that they were qualified to perform within their school of war. Even with the advent of the Horus Heresy, the subsequent Fallout and the various Dark Ages that the Imperium faced, the Space Marines and their equipment, was improved upon. Notwithstanding the Librarians, we're also talking about Marines who were tasked out to the Adeptus Mechanicus to be, essentially, War Smiths schooled in the arts and ways of the Machine and the Machine Cult. Then you have those who volunteer for Special Forces or Special Task Groups (like the Deathwatch or an Inquisitor's Retinue to perform task specific roles in their investigations). Then you have the secretive formations, like that of the Grey Knights, whom 99% of the Imperium, have no idea even exists or operates. The Grey Knights, themselves, are on a level equivalent to the Emperor's own divine resistance to Demonic Influence, have the best equipment and weapons, and are specifically tasked with waging war against the Demonic Entities that manifest within the Imperium. Even more so, they answer to no one save the Emperor. And due to the necessity for secrecy, those whom they support and operate with, are often mind wiped or even killed, (and not only due to the necessity for secrecy, but also the fear of corruption. A number of battles in which they fight alongside the Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum) often see the Guard wiped out by the hands of the Grey Knights, because the corruptive nature of witnessing and battling Demonic Entities in the Material world would indelibly destroy those Guardsmen who fought to win...) thus maintaining the secrecy of the Grey Knights itself. Even considering the enemies, the Spartans had difficulty with the Covenant and the attrition rate slowly dwindled their numbers. So horrible was the attrition rate that its now presumed that John 117 is the LAST of his Spartan II's (as Halo Infinite has made no mention of his fellow Blue Team, or that of Grey Team), and Halo Infinite also showed the complete destruction of the UNSC Infinite's own retinue of SPARTAN IV's. And this, against the Covenant and Brutes, as well as the Flood and Forerunners. The Space Marines are fighting a plethora of unique and very powerful foes. Whether it be the T'au and their mobile mech-suits and long range weapon systems, or their traitorous brother astartes in the Chaos Legions, and as mysterious as the Tyranid Hive Fleets outside of the known universe, to the slumbering Necrons who slumbered for many millennia before awakening to, once again, purge all life from the Cosmos. And all of these factions with a plethora of unique capabilities and titanic strengths that the Space Marines necessitate such immense weapons of destruction, and often a Company of Space Marines cannot fight alone, needing other Chapter's fellow companies, multiple companies of one Chapter, the Imperial Guard, the Inquisition's various Ordos', the Sisters of Battle, the Titan Knighthood, the Adeptus Mechanicus and now even the Adeptus Custodes. Ultimately, Warhammer 40K, in its machinations, can't be comparable to any other universe as it takes everything and ramps it up to infinite in regards to sheer madness, war, and grimdark.

[@taliawtf6944]

It's not even a competition if you read the lore for both... The Space Marines are on a whole other level even compared to the Spartan 2's. This is mostly due to the fact that they are not for the same purpose though... The Spartan's are a precise tool for precise missions while the Space Marines are walking shock and awe. It's like comparing an Arabian race horse to a Shire horse honestly as they were not built for the same job. Still the Space Marines can fill the role that the Spartan's do but the Spartans can not fill the same roll that the Space Marines do. Frankly I think the Marines would like the Spartans seeing them as more useful then Guardsmen but not as useful as a fellow battle brother while the Spartans would just be glad it's not all riding on them to do the heavy lifting with the Space Marines around.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Shock and awe is right. Sending either one in to a battlefield will result in someone getting clapped but the WH40k they are built to beat basically anything

[@taliawtf6944]

@@kristopherleslie8343 Yeah that's for sure, the level of threat they were built to handle is orders of magnitude greater than anything even dreamed of for the Spartans. Hell they were over matched in their own universe by the Elites half the time. But that's the appeal for me, no matter the odds the Spartan 2's did their duty.

[@kristopherleslie8343]

@@taliawtf6944 yup the Spartans are more known in a sense I love some master chief

[@happytravelling]

If you know the 40K lore, you are describing at least two of the space marine chapters, the Raven Guard and the Alpha Legion. Both specialize in clandestine warfare and infiltration. The Alpha Legion has done some incredible things - destroying entire space marine chapters thru subterfuge, delaying reinforcements, rerouting evacuation forces, luring the enemy to attack and overwhelm besieged Imperial forces, and so on. My favorite was when an Alpha legion force infiltrated a Titan mega transport on its way to reinforce a besieged Imperial base and took control of the ship. Imagine the destruction that followed when the ship landed, disgorging the Titans into the Imperial base. No comparison...

[@GiRR007]

Not really, in lore space marines routinly die to ordinary things like tyranid gaunt blades and las gun fire. Spartans and space marines are on very similar levels, the spartans being faster while the marines being stronger and more damaging.

[@jakegyllenrat4443]

Bro is straight throwing Space Marine Facts on Spartans 💀

[@JN_KR20]

Iam bored from the guys that say master chief can beat titus in fair combat

[@LegatusLucius2]

Yo I just love how he says everybody else is doing this wrong so let me do it right then proceeds to Nerf the Spartans😂

[@WolfeSaber9933]

Chief is actually average for a Spartan 2. Fred is more skilled with knifes. Jorge is one of the candidates for the strongest, though there is a female 2, forgot her name, who at the age of ten picked up a grown male and thrown him into a wall, killing him, without being aware of her strength, even after accidentally sending kids to the ER before being six. Emily is the fastest, even out running fully grown males for three days, after just turning six. And a washout who had an IQ that made Einstein look like a toddler, shown off with new quantum educations for FTL travel at short ranges. Also, there are weapons for the Spartans called Spartan Weapons, with one candidate that shoots ammo similar, yet larger than bolter rounds, by twice the diameter, that are guided and the weapon shoots two at a time.

[@yeetleskeet854]

Thats actually kinda cool

[@ryanalvarado6796]

Don't forget mac rounds since space battles are are definitely going to happen

[@jammin1881]

@@ryanalvarado6796 40k is just a new level of stupid though. They have novels talking about nova canons and building sized projectiles shot at near light speed. Even spartan vs marine is almost pointless. You would have to heavily wank a spartan to see it beating most marines.

[@doctordoubledakka3939]

Master Chief is pretty average except for his luck stat. Dude dumped all his extra points into luck and shows, is plot armor is drippping

[@involuntaryanalysis]

Neat, Terminators and Dreadnaughts don't give a f*ck.

[@geneva214]

The spartan 2s first combat experience was when the spartan 2s were around 14 and around 16 when the covenant appeared

[@killermacho444]

Nope, when they were that age it was before the Covenant showed up and they were doing infiltration missions only oh and killing rebels

[@geneva214]

@@killermacho444 the human covenant war started in 2525 chief was born in 2511 along with most other spartan 2s that would make them 14 at the start of the human-covenant war

[@killermacho444]

@@geneva214 In Halo Legends it appears that the first missions of the blue team at that age were to kill rebel leaders, the Covenant arrived after that

[@lostkhan1728]

I mean if you're trying to compare that to spacemarines, spacemarines don't just take anyone they take children who are survivors of their home world and have the tenacity to survive and kill. They take killers as children young as 9 theres even chapters of spacrmarines wholl make the initiaties fight to the death those who survive the death pit gladiator fights and death challenges given to them still have to go through the surgery process of becoming a spacemarine and thats a 90% fatality rate. So like let's say they took 2000 kids for the recruiting process only a couple hundred or hundred and sometimes less than 100 make it to become a spacemarine.

[@geneva214]

@@lostkhan1728 similar with spartan 2 the kidnapped kids with excellent genetics and special traits

[@daschlemendez9170]

As bad ass as Spartans are, a space marine would calmly approach them, caress their shoulder, and gently insert their hand straight through their skull

[@ded4ss]

Depends on what type of space marine the og or primaris. Primaris are like 2 times master chief on everything or almost because there's no luck in warhammer only war. It's fun to compare scifi games or universes but when you do Warhammer vs... you know warhammer it's going to be crazy op but in their universe even the op spacemarines gets mauled to death by an angy shroom

[@ded4ss]

But those are almost useless. What's the point of having great reaction and speed when you get a bolter or lasgun shot on the side?

[@geneva214]

@@ded4ss spartans may be outclassed but they are one thing in the darkest and most desperate times they prevail with wit and courage for humanity almost as a space marine is willing to die for the emperor. Also energy shields very nice state of the art forunnner tech energy shields

[@ded4ss]

Their energy shields? Those what breaks with pistols or .7.62 rounds? The Bolter shots like micromissiles and if you want to give spartans a chance you can shoot them with the lasguns. You remember in Halo reach how the cyan spartan got headshotted with a spike sniper? There you have forerruner energy shields.

[@iconicusensign9624]

​@@geneva214 Imperium has even there own personal energy shielding such as the refractor fields and the iron halo (Conversion fields) although for some reason they aren't fielded for every space marine in the imperium but every techpriest enginseer has their own energy shields.

[@geneva214]

@@iconicusensign9624 well compare to what foreunner tech is and seeing that in just 7 years the spartans have upgraded their mjolnir generations twice with high amounts of what surpasses Dark age human, Eldar, Tau and Necron tech into their armor it's very safe to say the spartans have the technological level to surpass a great deal of things

[@phantomwraith1984]

Mistake you made: the imperium is definitely NOT on par with the Forerunners

[@tiagojohannes5920]

Did he just say the Xenos are more powerful than forerunners ?? Imagine.

[@uneedpuns1713]

imagine how one sided it be if master chief fought logan grimnar or tyberos chief is strong but dam tyberos would curve stomp him

[@kachi2000]

Not tyberos the red wake , he will one punch man chief to death. One punch is all he needs

[@nigredoooalgown6245]

Tyberos is cheating.

[@Joe-xq3zu]

As much as I love the Spartans, they just can't measure up to the sheer prowess of the Astartes. That said I can easily see the Astartes respecting the Spartans for their achievements against overwhelming odds. The Imperium would love to have mass producible elite troops like the S-4s and I'm sure the Astartes wouldn't mind having supporting troops that can actually almost keep up with them unlike the standard IG.

[@GiRR007]

They can more than measure up. They actually surpass marines in some aspects such as speed and more advanced armor. They can more than keep up, really the main difference is their weapons.

[@KrakenWind]

@@GiRR007 Speed? not so much, agility? yeah. Space marines are bulky and their purpose is to be the groundpounding soldiers who hammer the enemy in frontal combat. Spartans are more about assassinations, information-gathering, and espionage, with their augments helping them catch up to the various species in the covenant, because even an average sangheili would beat up most of human race's ass.

[@IAmAlpharius20]

​@@GiRR007 *eyeroll* sure, kid

[@user-vu8ck7tq4v]

Can keep with them unlike imperial guard cain and jurgen killing a khornate berserker literary any armour division - are we a joke to you?

[@sakanouyenotamuramaro7718]

A space marine might be a lil too much for a spartan,even an Eversor Assassin would give one of them a problem.

[@1Scimetar]

Something to consider is that Spartans are a form of Astartes. The thing is, because of less advanced augmentation technology and biochemistry, their augmentations stop at about the stage of an Astartes scout, as that's about the level most Spartan super soldiers sit. And before anyone discounts Spartans as being hopeless against full Astartes, keep in mind that disregarding the number of digits per limb, their armor, and the Astartes oral venom gland, the Astartes are pretty much Juralhanae, or Halo's brutes, as they are about the same size and have similar levels of physicality naturally from hailing from a planet that had triple Earth's gravity.

[@nutbug445]

Yeah and the Spartans taking away their armor are just stronger humans against the Jiralhanae (Astartes) so either way, no win

[@angerskarin9222]

The thing is halo tried to make sense while 40k dont care, the changes made to the spartans are somewhat realistic while the space marine are wild, they basicly give them god blood to be stupidly op.

[@1Scimetar]

@angers karin of course, Halo would be more realistic since it's only 650 years in the future, while 40k is 38,000 years out.

[@TheDragonKnight98]

An army of Juralhanae would be completely stomped by a company of Space Marines. Can the Juralhanae move fast enough to be able to block a hypersonic round at point blank range with just a knife? Are they smart enough to think of a highly advanced strategy on a fly while deep in intense combat. Are they strong enough to be able to flip light armoured vehicles while being just as fast, strong, and smart as the Astartes like i just mentioned? No they aren't comparable whatsoever to the Astartes. Not in the physical and athletic departments, nor when it comes to superhuman level intellect of the Astartes. Astartes have destroyed monsters and aliens that would make an army of Juralhanae look like a child's play. Think very carefully about this Halo fans.

[@1Scimetar]

@TheDragonKnight98 As far as physical strength, I'd put a basic Juralhanae, lacking augmentation or performance-enhancing equipment on par with a fully kitted-out Spartan II, as they hail from Doisac, a super-earth (no, not the fascist Earth from Helldivers) that earns that moniker by having earth-like conditions on the surface while having higher gravity, three times Earth's in the case of Doisac. Now, I'm not sure if this would make a Juralhanae as fast as an Astartes, but outside of the marine's armor, they'd probably be a pretty good match-up in arm wrestling. Also, for those doubting the Juralhanae's cognitive abilities, remember that Atriox, the leader of the Banished from Halo is an example of them, and lore says they were able to develop nuclear weapons before bombing themselves back to the Stone Age with their entire arsenal just before they made first contact with the rest of the Covenant.

[@excellent_o_excrement2460]

Spartan IIs have a reaction time of the lower end of 20 milliseconds, while wearing the Mjolnir power armor their reaction times are reduced by a factor of 5 which makes it about 4 milliseconds. On top of having an AI implanted into their skulls and having adrenaline pumping through their veins in a combat scenario their reaction times would be virtually instantaneous.

[@thorshammer7883]

9:25 I wouldn't say the Xenos of Warhammer 40k would outgun the Forerunners. That's a huge assumption and claim to make there especially when Halo Silentium is included.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

I have seen the comparisons in detail before. The Imperium stomps the UNSC and Covenant where as the Forerunners stomp the Imperium. You need War in Heaven Necrons and C'tans to make it even.

[@thorshammer7883]

​@@turikazurikaz6730 I understand that but he was the one who said "outgun the Forerunners" which is where I draw the line. He seems to have a bias.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

@@thorshammer7883 I think he probably doesnt know a lot about the Forerunners. Their industrial scale is insane.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@turikazurikaz6730 If he doesn't know alot then he shouldn't be making untested claims like that before proving them. It just makes him look very one sided and ignorant about the whole subject and the powers the Forerunners truly have. And the fact he also included the Flood in his statement about being outgunned by Warhammer 40k's xenos was a very narrow minded statement that makes me question if he actually knows what the heck he's talking about.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

@@thorshammer7883 The flow 9 times out of 10 will spiral out of control due to it not taking a lot to reach the Gravemind state, and if the they the Forerunner scale then the Logic Plague will come into play. If they are fully prepared for the Flood, they could pull off some Halo lore tactics, otherwise they are screwed. Basically lore armour. But yea he should be a bit more careful, there is some neat conversations on the internet where you can see analysis on the Forerunners insane logistics.

[@thorshammer7883]

So I guess by Forerunners scaling system the Astartes would consider to have tier 3-4 like gear and equipment with the exception of no Ai inhabited modules allowed?

[@jammin1881]

AI (for the most part) is banned or outlawed in 40k. Warp corruption and stuff like the iron men......

[@user-ib2vm8mm2s]

Space Marine is easily more powerful of the two. However the space marine description in books and as seen in videos and games are two completely different units. In books they are represented like each and any of them are invincible and godlike geniuses with speed and reflexes faster than sound, and then in videos they stand in one spot like noobs and shoot at anything and regularly get smashed by ork slugga boys...

[@yeetleskeet854]

Because the animation is made by people who are not tactictal geniuses with 70 years of combat training and average combat experience of anywhere between 150 to 300 years herdederrrrrrrrr

[@user-ib2vm8mm2s]

@@yeetleskeet854 and book writers are? xD

[@Bangcat]

can not say i remember seeing myself able to move that kind of speed playing as either.

[@sorrenblitz805]

Telepathy is in the halo universe. Forerunners communicated using telepathy as seen with the Didact speaking directly to Chief's mind, and the Gravemind can do it too as seen in Halo 3.

[@Sir_Radahn_the_fearless]

But the question is can they shoot lighting and make shields no so it dousent matter

[@mohamed-amenyussuf1185]

A mistake people seem to keep making in these comparisons is saying that master chief is the fastest and strongest of the spartans. The biggest of them would be Kurt-051 (8ft 2inches in armor), the fastest would be Kelly-087, and the Strongest would be Sam-08. The point still stands that a space marine would beat a spartan.

[@Morhgoz]

You did forgot the mention the machine spirit of space marine armour, which isn't high level A.I. like Cortana, but is still useful, enchancing space marine's abilities like marking enemies to tactical visor of their helmet, pumping them drugs to boost their healing and combat abilities etc and also making the power armour function better overal...

[@GiRR007]

I think the "machine spirits" in 40k are basically our equivalent of programs, similar to things like operating systems.

[@flynnt77]

Maybe more like an Expert System, or maybe a Specialized Intelligence. Very good in the programmed role, but no ability to be creative or think in abstract terms.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

I don't think Imperial technology is anywhere close to being on par with Forerunner tech, but still outclasses the UNSC. Graviton-Flux weaponry plays with the mass and gravity of a target, crushing tanks like soda cans, causing body armor to collapse and compact around its wearer. Conversion Beamers are ridiculously powerful anti-armor weapons that fire focused streams of antimatter that react with the matter of a target, thus converting it to energy. Volkite weapons are extremely powerful beam weapons that constitute a rough equivalent to a Spartan Laser, but arent as bulky or cumbersome in most cases. Just to name a few. And you'd best hope the hypothetical spartans aren't facing the Iron Hands, cause if they are, they can expect to face all of these weapons at once. The Iron Hands possess the most technologically advanced armory of all the Astartes Chapters/Legions

[@cody1570]

Close. Dark angels were given weaponry banned from all other legions due to their lethality and so were given to the first under lock and key after the dark angels fought the rang dan

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@cody1570 read up on the Iron Hands. Ferrus Manus locked a whole shitload of stuff away in the vaults of Medusa. And what’s more, he never HANDED ANY OF THEM OVER TO A TRAITOR LEGION.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@cody1570 do the phrases “Ophidian scale,” “progression of the seventh gate,” or “Sarcosan Formulae,” ring a bell? Merely a glimpse of what is hidden on Medusa.

[@Slycarlo]

it depends, at the height of golden age of technology Humanity has almost surpased necron in terms of technology, we harvest the stars power akin to necron for energy we have Weapons that can kill planets and AI warrior to fight our war which cause the downfall when they rebelled

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@Slycarlo yeah, and some of that, not all, is locked away within the depths of Medusa’s numerous and ever-shifting cave systems. Most of it fallen from the Telsterax, the great machine ring around it

[@emileplamondon9569]

Giant autistic kid just made me almost die of laughter

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Who are calling " Giant autistic kid" ? 🤨

[@gommiezean6042]

A space marine spit can kill a spartan

[@2thicc669]

Now do Tyranids vs Flood

[@PhaseCannon]

Halo will always hold a special place in my heart but this is like saying "My dad can beat up your dad!" in school, except the other kid's dad is Mike Tyson and after your dad is done picking up his teeth and his dignity, he's going to make you see God at home, my child.

[@yolofullsend]

Space marine lore :- they're gods. Space marines in game :- half dead by turn 2

[@GiRR007]

Spartan lore: cheetah Spartan in games: WHERE IS THE SPRINT BUTTON!!

[@memosanchez8916]

Everyone is forgetting the Astartes already fought enemies very similar to spartan 2’s the blood angels during the great crusade encountered spartan 2 equivalents called the iron bulls on a system similar to the imperium and won .also keep in mind one super soldier was crafted using the perfect genes of man the other may not have perfect genes but were crafted using the gene seeds of literal Demi gods Spartans put up a fight but majority goes to space marines

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

Especially if Space Marines have Experience Fighting Eldars, especially their Aspect warriors, this Dudes and Gals are fast as Fck with some of them could kill squad of space marine

[@stevepalpatine2828]

Spartans are probably about on the same level al the Interex troops that the Luna Wolves encountered at the end of the Great Crusade.

[@jammin1881]

“Debate.” It was never a debate. A spartan would get massacred.

[@Jayden0558]

Masterchief and noble 6 though

[@Sir_Radahn_the_fearless]

@@Jayden0558 master chief would be murderd by lionel

[@TheMallen2712]

Technology on par with the Forerunners???? Laughs in sending an APPRENTICE to harvest a stars energy as his final exam probably.

[@Enlightened_SpursFan]

The fact that you used a customized unit from XCOM 2 to show a spartan was super cool! you are awesome for that!

[@samturner6061]

The moment you bring a Space Marine into the Halo universe, you likely bring his connection to the chaos gods and the warp with him. Which means you've just doomed everything in the universe.

[@AGleeBustHard69]

actually the other way around the warp does not exist in the halo universe so you cut him off completely from his connection with the warp cuz the higher plane of existence made of energy in halo is slipspace and it does not house gods that are so petty they would intervene with mortals in so many occations.

[@jammin1881]

@@AGleeBustHard69 No point in comparing universes if you take away half the talking points though. In 40k the warp is the wellspring of creation (past, future and present.) It's almost the baseline for the story and setting.

[@AGleeBustHard69]

@@jammin1881 I don't completely agree as the warp to me seems more like the void in warframe where besides being the source of power and the troubles and the FTL alt space road they use it's not necessary anymore for the warframes nor the space marine to be connected to it at all times. The warframes can now harness their power as long as they have energy and the energy in gameplay is not explicitly stated to be void energy so it could be something else. The space marine as the original comment only talks about putting space marines in halo would still have their technology and augmentations that they would still be a functioning fighting force in the halo universe just minus all the psykers and space marines with psyker abilities leaving lots to still talk about.

[@jammin1881]

@@AGleeBustHard69 Everything is basically governed by the warp in 40k. It’s a wellspring of past, future and current events and acts like a psychic sea of …… insanity (basically.) My point was that the foreunners would need to time their attacks as the ships in slip space were not affected by the arrays.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Since when do base space marines have a “connection to the warp” ??

[@Arthirias]

With 343i in charge of the lore, it was over before it began. I remember Bungie books like Fall of Reach had Spartan 2s at 7'ft and superhuman without Mjolnir. Now they are on par with Spartan 3s.

[@angerskarin9222]

most spartan 2 are still 7 feet tall and some are even 8 feet tall and still 3 time stronger then the best human out of their armor, and with mark 6 making them stupidly strong.

[@somerandominternetdweller]

The one time Chief ran 60 mphs it tore apart his ligaments and muscle if I recall.

[@brittleboar8o57]

They are way way faster then Spartans like a guardsmen once stated when 2 space marines were dueling it was a blur

[@zhangeldy4097]

To be fair speed is one criteria where Spartans and Space Marines aren't that different. I am not talking reaction times. I am talking actually running and swinging a sword.

[@brittleboar8o57]

@@zhangeldy4097 space marine are still way faster

[@Kankan_Mahadi]

The Plague Marines (especially the Death Guard) would turn the Spartans armor into rusted scrap & the Spartans themselves into puddles of screaming, melted flesh in minutes. Hail Nurgle~

[@tumorinc5695]

Based nurgle fan

[@Kankan_Mahadi]

@@tumorinc5695 *Nuuuurglllle~~*

[@derloco2035]

Heresy...

[@Kankan_Mahadi]

@@derloco2035 Nuuuurglllle~

[@BeatmasterAC]

That just means that Papa Nurgle loves even the Spartans^^

[@alexshank1414]

I’d idolize Master Chief. He’s more relatable, to me, than an Astrates. That being said, an Astrates is 10 fold what Chief is. I know. That’s insane. But that’s the 40k universe.

[@yeetleskeet854]

to be fair thats the point. Space Marines are very rarely relatable because of how emotionally far off they are removed from being human.

[@warangelthelight2077]

Agree, spartan may be super soldier, but they still fight with a human heart. Astartes are needed in a dark imperium where the idea of peace is changed for millenniums of war and dead. . . . . . . .FOR THE GREATER GOOD!

[@moliu3663]

it's also kinda wild to think there are so so many things that folds an Astartes like paper in the 40k universe. Like their bolt gun is a rocket luncher plus a machine gun. Even though in lore it penetrates armor, but compared to everything else it might as well be nothing... Strength 4 Ap0 Damage 1.....also a space marine punch at that category too lol.

[@knightmare-em8tb]

How would the Spartans match up against the angry marine welding the power chair?

[@Sir_Radahn_the_fearless]

It’s not a competition there to angry to die

[@moonamir9708]

We Have Spartan 2 Jerome Fighting flood forms with chair(Yes literally in the lore) so they would chair each other pretty good.

[@terrorbilly8177]

6:50 They use a 7.62x51mm rounds. basically a 308. Much more power, and if it's match grade also very accurate.

[@involuntaryanalysis]

He didn't even mention that they're rocket propelled, armor piercing, and are too heavy, and have WAY too much recoil to be used by standard humans. In other words, Master Chief isn't gonna be picking up a bolter and start lighting up Astartes.

[@killermacho444]

7:07 Spartans have access to rail guns (not just the electromagnetic cannon as there are vehicle variants like the mantis Hannibal), plasma weapons, weapons with crystals containing unstable liquid capable of exploding, weapons of much larger caliber than the Assault rifle how, for example, the variant of the AAP "the response" which has explosive ammunition such as bolters and finally forerunner weapons that if it had a comparison to something within warhammer 40K it would be equivalent to the weapons used by the nekrons since forerunner weapons also disintegrate. Now, a bit of correction about the improvements in the spartans, what about their reflexes is not very well known because it is even rumored that they have a very fast perception of time. They are capable of providing a force of 1500kg if I remember correctly in each blow (maybe more or perhaps less). Spartans can fall from a planet's atmosphere and nothing happens to them. And yes, as you said there is a big difference between times, warhammer is currently set in the 42k millennium (if I remember correctly) and halo has not even reached the year 3k yet , so I think that if we advanced time 39k more years in the universe of halo, humanity would be on a par with the empire of humanity I'm not so sure that they would surpass the empire, but they would be on par

[@generizze6243]

If current humans. Will reach their former peak aka ancient humans. Lol ancient humans would molest the emperium.

[@yeetleskeet854]

@@generizze6243 uh ok

[@gabriellaberge6396]

by that logic why shouldn't the imperium use dark age technology?

[@hermeister3870]

@@yeetleskeet854 he isn't really wrong as ancient humans were comparable to forerunners in tech and were better in the military department, the reason they lost is fighting the flood and the forerunner at once while being vastly outnumbered and the war still lasted over a thousand years and weakened the forerunners to the point the flood could take them on. oh the forerunners also resorted to a halo ring at least once to break a fortress world because they couldn't do anything to it otherwise.

[@contemptordreadnought]

If spartans get access to vehicles and special weapons why not give the astartes Terminator armour and an assault cannon

[@ryanalvarado6796]

What about allies since large scale battles would likely some heavy causalitys since both are pretty evenly matched like the imperium can only rely on the guardsmen (human target pratice) and other chapters that are likely busy with their many enemy's and the Spartans have mac rounds that can rip through anything along with forerunner tech they've discovered and repurposed. All in all I like both universes

[@angerskarin9222]

There more guardman then there human in the whole halo universe, 40k have all the dumb numbers, if a few millions solder dont die in 40k the battle didn't even start yet.

[@VunderGuy]

9:29 Nah bruh. Forerunners consistently slap the extant forces of 40k so hard that if you were slapped with that giant megastructure hand, your accent would actually be tolerable.

[@eli5504]

spacemarines solo tho

[@teobratuteodor1728]

Space marines don't have ai in their armor but they have the machine spirit of the armor what is smart as the astartes in his armor.

[@jeremy9416]

I think that Spartan could have less probability to beat a space marine..due to how insane they are. Not to mention that a simple bolter use a rocket propelled bullet that explode on impact.

[@Knightmare919]

I hope you remember spartan armor can block plasma from the covenant you know that in 40k plasma is the deadlest from of weapon it's a rolle in the dice if it overheats its gonna explode but covenant plasma dosen't do that.

[@nobleman9393]

It doesn't explode on impact, it explodes after piercing the armor.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

@@Knightmare919plasma weaponry in the Imperium of Man makes covenant plasma weapons look like water guns.

[@memosanchez8916]

@@Knightmare919 that’s such a Marcus Vance argument he never mentioned why it was so destructive reason being is because wh40k plasma has far more damage output .halo plasma melts a persons chest but so do lasguns while wh40k plasma turns whoever it hits into a charred pile of ash and is designed to take down heavily armored vehicles that halo plasma would struggle with

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

@@Knightmare919 plasma in 40k is like firing a miniature sun towards the enemy, lmao.

[@captaintybahltofthebloodan6821]

10:45 while im not going againts the fact that AI triumph in personal assistance, i like to point out that the astartes actually do have a personal assistance in their armor (kinda) Its not touch up alot in the lore but the machine spirits (or vi) in the power armor can sometimes assist the marine in combat, wether its better reaction time or fighting more viciously, like the centurion armor wich in some cases would take over the suit and fight for the marine Its Suttle but the P.A is there similar to how a prinsepts has to bond with their titan But yeah the point still gose to the spartans

[@my9thaccount140]

TL:DR below Space Marines have the advantage in both arms and armaments. Put simply a well aimed Bolter volley would cut through MJOLNIR armor like a tin can. All while most weapons in the UNSC’s arsenal wouldn’t even scuff the paintwork. However while MJOLNIR looses in a straight up brawl, the subsystems and AI integration of MJOLNIR can still give a Spartan a fighting chance. Also a Spartan in MJOLNIR is far more nimble than a fully armored marine. A marine isn’t a slow and clumsy target, but you’re not going to see marines doing too many backflips and somersaults. If we’re factoring armor abilities the fight becomes even less clear. If a cloaked spartan could get the drop on a marine with say a Spartan Laser or an Energy Sword it’s entirely possible that the fight could be over in moments. Let’s not also forget potential AI support. TL:DR A fight between a Space Marine and a Spartan II would look like a fight between a Space Marine and an Eldar Aspect Warrior. A battle between raw power and nimble precision.

[@zhangeldy4097]

To be fair I read somewhere about that one space marine with specially modified Aegis Terminator Armor who managed a back flip. Althought it wasn't from a stand still. Still hilarious piece of lore.

[@V1-xq2en]

A space marine would last long enough against master chief that he would die of old age before getting through that thick ass armor

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

I feel like if the UNSC traded the means to do so to the Imperium, they could and would be able to mass produce Spartan IV’s from their stocks of Veteran Guardsmen by the millions. A single random space marine might be with his weight in 10-20 IV’s one on one, but if you have 1000 for every single marine then even Abbadon and his crusades would have a hard time with The Imperium finding a sweet spot between Quality and Quantity. It would also be a nice consolation for Chapter Serfs who WOULD have been full marines in another day and age, or troops from death worlds like Catachan that would be valuable chapter worlds if the IG didn’t call dibs on them.

[@zhangeldy4097]

Imperium does have an answer to Spartan IV, they are called Tempestus Scions. Elite of the elite training, minor (by 40k standards) gene modifications, decent non intrusive power armor, hotshot lasrifles and even plasma weapons, and numbers to drown UNSC in bodies twice over. We are talking 2-3 Scions taking your average Spartan 4, yet they number in the billions!

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@zhangeldy4097 Sounds like if Spartan Program or other UNSC assets were to be handed off to The Imperium (as a sort of Goodwill “You need all the help you can get BUT we can’t afford to get mixed up in your empires problems so here’s an Infinity Class ship filled with as many military assets as possible, and the means to maintain and reproduce them” care package), anything of worth would likely be absorbed into the Scions or the Space Marines firstly.

[@zhangeldy4097]

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Nah, grabby Mechanicus will steal everything before UNSC is out of the system I tell ya! Never trust cogboys!

[@angerskarin9222]

@@zhangeldy4097 you really thing odst lvl human can deal with spartans? even the 4 are miles stronger then scion and scion is my favorite guards army, like yes their carapace is good and their lassgun are stronger but still, they would get shredded.

[@AGleeBustHard69]

Okay spartan 3's aren't actually lesser than 2's they just have a different way of taking in the augmentation making it safer to produce them. Also 40k empire of man is no were near comparable to forerunners as those guys would go toe to toe with war in heaven Orks, Necrons and Eldars maybe even outright stomp them. The Xenos comparison is pretty accurate biologically but technologically the covenant is comparable to the Tau and superior in some areas and would do well in the 40K universe.

[@Joe-xq3zu]

Indeed, the S-3s were only considered 'inferior' due to the SPI armour being a major downgrade from Mjollnir in combat capability.

[@sirduck551]

Literally everything goes to Space Marines. They are basically evolved Spartans.

[@FrantoloYT]

Spartan II Program was funded by ONI in 2553, while space marines and Primarch were created in 29 millenium ( 28000 ). So it's obvious that they would win

[@dquinn9482]

youre way off on that timeline fyi. Thats a year after the Human-Covenant war

[@drakojan77]

Also space marines have classes, so this only works with battle brothers. Custodes, librarians, terminators or god forbid primarchs could take on whole squads of spartans easily.

[@yeetleskeet854]

Custodes ARE NOT Astartes

[@YourStylesGeneric321]

​@@yeetleskeet854 He DID NOT say they were

[@BeatmasterAC]

and you didn't even mention the Grey Knights or the Legion of the Damned.

[@Skoomiio]

@@YourStylesGeneric321 he did

[@YourStylesGeneric321]

@@Skoomiio He didn't lol

[@albdamned577]

with the exception of starship troopers SMs (who are all flying around in dreadnaught sized battlesuits that have tactical nuclear weapons for small arms), I don't think there is a SM that can take on 40ks

[@stevepalpatine2828]

The Mobile Infantry in the Starship Troopers novel were badass.

[@FirstArchon]

imo if the imperium managed to get access to the spartan they would pretty much instantly dominate the galaxy. the imperium would never have banned the spartan 2 augmentations for ethical reasons and while space marines numbers are limited by concerns of genetic degradation the spartan 2's don't get genetically augmented so the imperium could conceivably upgrade every single guardsman into a spartan 2 which would make space marines pretty much obsolete

[@DuongNguyen-dx2vq]

There is on problem: *HERESY*

[@FirstArchon]

@@DuongNguyen-dx2vq they shouldn't be any more prone to it than any guardsmen

[@DatBoi127]

I know I’m late to this but just seen this video and I like it. But gotta support the Spartans in this one. Absolutely no hate! Just a few small details I think were missed: First - Cheif has been shown in the book The Flood to be able to flip a 3 ton warthog effortlessly, to the point which it gained airtime. (This might have even been using a single hand but it’s been a while since I read the book and I can’t confirm that part). He is also capable of flipping a 66 ton scorpion MBT although that is through leveraging and not purely lifting it into the air and righting the tank. Second - Spartan bones are nigh unbreakable with Chief and Noble Six (yes he is a S3 but end result of augmentations are the same) being able to survive falling from orbit onto a planet with negligible damage, so bones on par with the SMs I think - without the fused ribcage (which wouldn’t be possible really and would drastically restrict ability to move and even breathe - which is why I think they have a third lung. But it’s sci-fi so there’s always something that won’t make total sense 😂) Third - Chief, who says he was never the best at maths, at 14 immediately post augmentation, thought the weights in the weight room were wrong and so did quick maths to calculate the gravity in the room by dropping the weight and by the time it hit the floor he calculated that the weights and gravity were normal and he was just experiencing everything in a slow motion. (Not sure if that makes them smarter or as smart as SMs but I think the intelligence of the Spartans was a bit overlooked) Fourth - Spartan reaction time is said to be around 5 miliseconds in armour which I believe is equal to some of the more detailed lore of the Space Marines (being between 10 and 5 milliseconds I think) - plus Chief literally slaps an air-to-air missile out of the sky and survives the blast with near or no damage to his armour. Fifth - it seems Chief was given extra augmentations that improved his healing abilities - can’t remember the name of the book but he had his thigh melted to the bone by covenant plasma fire and after a solid day of continuous fighting a UNSC doctor tells chief she would expect the level of healing his leg has undertaken to take 10 days of bed rest - so chief has a more than 10 times increased healing factor to average human. Although that doesn’t count the fact that that’s an average human on bed rest compared to a day of continuous fighting so it’s likely even more powerful than that. Not sure how this matches to space marines though. Overall, great video. I think that both in armour and using the best weapons available to them it’ll be a mostly even fight. However I can’t deny the space marines have much greater numbers and in general better tech and weapons than the Spartans (though that hasn’t stopped the Spartans from killing millions of better equipped and larger adversaries - Covenant - before)

[@dfly27485]

This is probably the most accurate, non biased comparison that I’ve seen yet

[@rossmelnyk1900]

40K baby!

[@felon7682]

From what I’ve gathered… the difference in power between a Space Marin, and the Spartan 2s is almost like comparing a fly weight mma champ, to a heavyweight lol.

[@Davidmorales597r]

anyone remember the one guy who said the boltor cant crack a spartans shield cause he got the ammo type wrong for the boltor and the video got quite a bit of views

[@kankan4455]

Spartans are somewhat of a Scout Marines.

[@supremercommonder]

Not spartan 2 no way they match space marines pound for pound

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

More armored scout marines, I would agree.

[@supremercommonder]

@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Spartans from halo 5 alone can crash though hundreds of meters of concrete and survive falling from orbit. There armour at phase 3 has force multiple circuits which gives them a x25 boost in strength and speed compared to the first and oldest armour. Spartans have feats of pushing and handling over 25 tons. There way faster and agile than a marine. Inbuilt jet pack, grappling hook, extra shield wall, visor that can see though meters of wall, repulsor technology. A spartan can tear a wraith with his bare hands and hold a brute in armour with one arm who weight over 2 tons. A brute is over 8 feet tall. Spartan 4 in phase 2 armour = spartan 2 I’m sorry scout marines get shit on.

[@jammin1881]

@@supremercommonder Depends on what you compare it to. 40k novels get f-n stupid also. Like survival in the deep vacuum of space minus helmets and stopping titans stamping on people with bare hands.

[@supremercommonder]

@@jammin1881 true but we have to agree spartan 2= space marine and not a scout that is how it use to be not anymore.

[@dressednplaid4875]

Scary to think about spartans basically being the little brother to space marines, and yet they single handedly win battles against armies who's weapon of choice, plasma, which also happens to be the thing that's perfect for killing space marines. If we swapped out a spartans 7.62 for a plasma rifle, would that change things?

[@turikazurikaz6730]

Covenant Plasma are similar to Lasguns and Blasters from Star Wars, some of them are made for infantry. Plasma in 40k are for the most part an anti-tank weapon.

[@dressednplaid4875]

@@turikazurikaz6730 I feel like you're criminally downplaying plasma guns, at least in the books (halo fan catchphrase "lore accurate") In the books a direct hit from a plasma weapon is pretty much a 1hit ko. It turns rock and marine alike into molten slag. Nothing the UNSC deploys ever really has a way to deal with getting hit by plasma until the spartans energy shields. And unlike the Imperium halo's plasma weapons aren't going to explode in the users hands every now and again on top of many of them being capable of either being charged or fired at full auto.

[@turikazurikaz6730]

@@dressednplaid4875 It being called "Plasma" doesnt make it automatically equal. Some Covenant plasma weapons are as strong as 40k Plasma guns, some are only as strong as Lasguns and blasters feat wise. There are oceans of examples of Covenant plasma hitting humans and only doing the same as a blaster from SW. We have such examples with Lasguns too, but we also have examples of Lasguns cutting people apart both in Novels, comics and movies. The Tau have reliable plasma, but its not as crudely powerful as the Imperium variant, both being plasma does not make them equal (some also argue the Covenant dont use plasma).

[@EyeOnTheTV]

Spartans are about as capable as Kasrkins or Tempestus Scions.... That's a fairer match up.

[@nutbug445]

I would say between Scions and Space Marines, probably Scout marines

[@moonamir9708]

Actually both on the Same level Strength : Tie Durability : Tie Reacting time : Tie Accuracy : Tie Endurance : SM Stamina : SM Weapons : SM Experience : SM Speed : S2 Agility : S2 Equipment : S2 Adaptability : S2.

[@deven6518]

When youre surrounded by ten thousand tyranid warrirors and you have only a sword, your mind better be quick

[@Cha-Khia]

From my understanding of both lores, the average/consistent feats fall as such; Speed(running) it's roughly tied. Agility/reaction goes to the Spartans (2's thru 4's) Spartans can dodge bullets, Space Marines can't. Strength goes to the Spartans (primarily the 2' and 3's) the ability to pick up light armored vehicles while only a few named Space Marines can do something similar (friggin Calgar) Durability with shields goes to the Spartans, but only because energy shields can recharge. Durability without shields goes to the Space Marines and it ain't even close. Combat experience goes to Space Marines by a lot for many of them named or otherwise. Number of available troops goes to Space Marines, again it ain't even close. Which is weird because Space Marines are usually outnumbered pretty badly. Production speed, goes specifically to Spartan 4's, but otherwise I'd have to give it to Space Marines because of the sheer scale of the Imperium, even if it takes the better part of a century and a few dozen dead kids just to get two or three Marines. My overall opinion is that in a 1v1 I'd give it to the Spartan most of the time, but war is rarely ever even, and if a squad of Spartans faced off against so e space Marines, they'd be outnumbered 2 to 1 in favor of the Marines, and while Halo weapons are far more powerful than modern 21st century weapons, it likely won't be by enough before the Space Marines close in and gun down the Spartans with machine guns firing tiny RPGs, the only way the Spartans win in this scenario is if theu have foreknowledge of their enemies and are armed according, while the Space Marines are armed with the usual armaments, and not just a gaggle of lascannons, or God emperor forbid, volkite weapons.

[@SpartanAltair15]

Running speed I’ll give you. Reaction time is equal, marines have blocked bullets with melee weapons in multiple books, and there’s only once or twice that a spartan has actually dodged a bullet vs dodging before it’s fired and no longer being in the path. A marine is going to be slower to move his body out of the way because of his size alone. a spartan is more flexible and can pull off parkour type agility easier. Strength is impossible to estimate because spartan strength is ridiculously inconsistent in lore. We know that they can flip over a warthog, but have never been documented to lift one totally from the ground. Flipping tanks is a game mechanic and nothing close to that ever happens outside of a game. Durability is durability, I’m not sure why we’re separating it, but spartan shields can be broken with small arms fire and are documented to be weaker against energy weapons, whereas a marine is essentially invulnerable to it and lasguns cannot penetrate the armor, outside of the lascannon, which is a far stronger weapon than even a spartan laser. Everything else I agree with other than the conclusion. 1v1 the marine wins 100% of the time in a ranged firefight and probably goes 50:50 in melee. If the marine gets his hands on the spartan it’s over, but the spartan can avoid him and go for the joints with moderate success. En masse, Spartans get slaughtered. If terminator armor is brought in to the equation, since terminators are basically the lore equivalent ‘rank’ to S2s and tactical marines to S4s, the Spartans are utterly in every category except running speed and agility.

[@Bft149]

One of the aspects that gets often over looked from the halo franchise is the AI’s like Cortana, mendicant bias or offensive bias in halo vs 40k comparisons videos. I do think with the use of AI it gives them a fighting chances. Also would like to see how would the 40k universe react to fight flood under mendicant bias control or something like that.

[@ironduke5058]

Do all IIs have A.I? Wasn't Chief specifically chosen to carry Cortana?

[@killermacho444]

​@@ironduke5058 from the spartans II only the chief has AI, currently all spartans IV have the possibility of having their own AI

[@ironduke5058]

@@killermacho444 Then I don't get the "Spartan A.I" argument when one guy has it. If that's the case then why don't we put him up against a Raven Guard marine which has an invisibility ability so rare that only like less than 10 marines have it at a time?

[@killermacho444]

@@ironduke5058 I don't know, I'm not the one in the plot, I just clarified that the only one with an AI is the chief and the fourth generation of spartans and well active camouflage also exists ☝️🗿

[@ironduke5058]

@@killermacho444 Shiii it's a goofy argument then

[@Corn_DOG]

Much better than the other one I saw

[@stanshatter3875]

My question is which augment is safer to take?

[@angerskarin9222]

Probably the spartan one.

[@shootingbricks8554]

Space Marine=M1 Abrams tank. Spartans=M2 Bradley

[@TheEdemund]

Spartans are more like HMMWV with .50 cal :)

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

Gonna go Joe Rogan on you here and say Spartans are like lions and Astartes are like 8 foot Grizzlies

[@coops3600]

How can you say Spartans only lift three times their body weight? That barely puts them above world class power lifters of our time. I think their observed feats necessitate a much higher strength than that, not to mention chief regularly flips a 70 ton tank like it ain’t shit

[@Epsilvonic]

It’s an incomplete quote; IIs were able to lift three times their own weight immediately after their augmentations at the age of 14. They were described as being the size of very fit adults after augmentation, but more importantly the II’s augmentations improved as their bodies got used to them, meaning that Chief who is now almost 50 can certainly lift a considerable amount more.

[@VunderGuy]

@@Epsilvonic It also doesn't take into account the fact that Mjolnir armor increases their already augmented strength.

[@jammin1881]

Spartans were immensely strong but read the 40k novels. Some of the stupid stuff that happens for marines is next level.

[@Epsilvonic]

@@jammin1881 Have you read the Fall of Reach? Right after the IIs were augmented they did a training match of CTF against Marines in Mark I (like an Invictor Warsuit, but more sealed) and the IIs barehanded punches were enough to dent the Marine’s plating. I’m not saying the Marines aren’t ridiculous or that they aren’t more ridiculous than the IIs, but the IIs only have to be ridiculous enough to dodge a Bolter and they absolutely are.

[@jammin1881]

@@Epsilvonic Yes. I have read fall of reach. The forerunner series was better as those books were epic. In terms of novels most of the 40k ones make for better reading. Distant echoes of old night is one of my personal favourites. Have you read that? That's a wicked short story!

[@umaydoruk4526]

space marines can have servo skulls by their side depending on the situation from what i understand. please correct me if im wrong

[@cpu6207]

Something a lot of people miss when discussing size, is it's not always a plus. The reason is not what you'd think at first: Logistics. Yes, it turns out transporting people who are the size of small forklifts is much harder than say a seven foot super soldier who takes up to, at most, twice the space of a human. The other obvious downside is greater difficulty concealing, which makes it much more likely that they will be at risk of taking damage, if not at least on a structural level. That right there is an expense. To be very clear, I am not disputing this metric, and there are by far way more qualities that make a Space Marine superior just by sheer force of different worlds and power scaling. But that was one interesting note I wanted to touch on that wasn't really expanded on. Greater size in the military isn't always the plus you think it is.

[@sushimachine567]

🇮🇳 INDIA SPACE MARINES 🇮🇳 OUR PRIMARCH IS MODI

[@nutbug445]

He's more of an old Gretchin

[@jim4194]

​@@nutbug445 no even better he's a digger nob

[@nobleman9393]

Spartan IIs and Astartes always seemed comparable to me, except that it's easier and it takes less time to make Space Marines.

[@geneva214]

To make space marines? It takes like 50 years for one to be deployed

[@nobleman9393]

@@geneva214 It takes far less and even at the end of the Unification Wars there already were tens of thousands of Space Marines, while the UNSC never made more than 2000 of all types of Spartans.

[@geneva214]

@@nobleman9393 seeing how terra has trillions of people and the unsc has less than 30 billion its understandable how they have that many

[@nobleman9393]

@@geneva214 I'm pretty sure that Terra had also tens of billions(at best) during the Unification Wars.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

The reason why only that many Spartans were made, is that unlike the Imperium of Man, the UNSC lets this pesky little thing called “ethics” get in the way. I know, ONI were kidnapping children to turn them into spartan II’s, but they could only get so far before too many people started asking questions. And ONI is remarkably humane and honestly pretty tame in their breaches of ethics when compared to the Imperium of man. The production of a space marine takes somewhere between 20-30 years, as the marine is receiving constant training while, every now and then, going to the Apothecarian to have a new organ implanted, and then the marine has to allow his body to accept the new organ, and THEN you have to wait for that organ’s effect on the body. Like the Biscopeia and the Osmodula, which are responsible for multiplying and strengthening muscle density and size, and for increasing skeletal size, density and allowing metals to be metabolized into the bones, respectively. These two organs must be coupled with the secondary heart Astartes have, because the increased blood flow necessary for those organs to have their full effect. It takes years for an Astartes to just be strong and resilient enough after this first series of implants.

[@user-ru6kk3gp8k]

Finally someone who isn’t halo biased

[@moonamir9708]

You mean finally someone who is 40k biased.

[@brittleboar8o57]

And u could argue they have auspex scanners or the have battle data streamed into there head or even assistant from local machancis units who talk to them like ai

[@brendameistar]

An army of Spartans... that's like a single unit of planetary defence force.

[@supremercommonder]

No if you read feats for Spartans in the book like master chief at age 14 took over 10 tons on his legs and 3 spartan 2 pushed 100 ton rock. You also forget mjolnir armour force multiple circuits amplifies spartan attributes speed and strength by 25 times by the time they wear mark 3 armour.

[@nutbug445]

If that's true then the Spartans would just lift up a scorpion tank and throw it at the enemy lol

[@supremercommonder]

@@nutbug445 they kinda can do that with mark 3. Like space marines in the books get ridiculous so do Spartans in the books. Spartan 4 with mark 2 = spartan 2 with mark 3 they stronger than that even. No space marine can match Linda sharp shooting skills all spartan 2 are as good as chief. In term of durability chief shields tanked 2 50 mmm turrets it only brought his shields down to half. He tanked a missle tank destroyer that made a creator. Spartans have killed a room full of brutes in armour that weight over a ton each in melee. In the early books he never had shields and his armour just tanks everything even falling out in orbit

[@supremercommonder]

@@nutbug445 have you seen halo 5 see how sprtan 4 can swing around banshees and smash though hundreds of meters of concrete

[@supremercommonder]

@@nutbug445 I would say I appricate the video but you did not represent the Spartans like you did the space marines check out spartan respect threads

[@tumorinc5695]

@@supremercommonder tbf, you play as the best of the best in halo 5. If we were to pull the best of the best from WH40k, halo still would get outclassed

[@VunderGuy]

9:33 The first on which are not generally immune to being bombarded from orbit with life wiping and above weaponry, the second of which explicitly can't manifest in the materium at this point, and the third of which is to generic a term to really tackle.

[@zhangeldy4097]

Yet Space Marines as a whole have experience fighting all three. Deamonic incursions are dime a dozen after maledictum, God avatars and their manifestations are also exceedingly common. For example latest El Joanson books focus entirely around Malice's ascention to 5th Chaos God and his manifestations in real-space + battles with Dark Angels. There are hints of other god like beings medling. As for fighting general warp entities, I feel its left unsaid a lot but generally space marines fight general spawns of immaterium a lot more than chaos 4. Because even things like Caliban Beasts, Catachan devils, Valhalan kraken, obelisks, space leviathans, etc. are explicitly said to be non-natural beasts and were touched by powers of immaterium. Like, 95% of unexplainable monsterous nonsense space marines fight are due to immaterial entities corrupting real-space that has nothing to do with Chaos 4. So yeah, author's point it 100% valid with 'deamon, gods, and other warp entities'.

[@kennethquinnies6023]

Master Chief vs Mephiston, The one second battle. Mephiston sees Master Chief, steps out of time and cuts him to pieces.

[@arjungujar507]

Imperium against Floods and covenant sure... but against Forerunner nope!

[@t0m653]

Necron?

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

flood is iffy too. a gravemind seems to be so intelligent that id compare it to a ctan, not in physical capability, but in terms of what kind of tech it could put out. though we dont see flood trying to build ships from scratch, it definitely can. they have knowledge of neural physics, which is pretty much a complete understanding of the laws of the physical universe.

[@Knightmare919]

@@t0m653 The Necrons are a shadow of their fromer glory like no jock if they were this all powerful tell how the ultramarines and space marines for some reason able to beat them.?

[@supremercommonder]

No go to space battles wih necrons without c’tan equal forerunners but with c’tan there on the level of silentium flood

[@supremercommonder]

Necrons have been getting new feats as have old ones the gap is becoming lopsided for wih vs forerunners

[@themadone3282]

It feels like you are extremely biased and you seem to have looked over some details. Like how spartan armor can take plasma shots where space marine armor can't. Another example space marines have fused ribs so they can't turn or bend well. spartans are creative in strategy as space marines usually aren't. So i really should have been closer that you said it was

[@yeetleskeet854]

Plasma guns for the covenant have the same effect on target as a maybe a high powered lasgun like a hotshot volley gun, yet in every instance of a plasma gun in 40k the effect on target is oh fuck i just saw a guy disintegrate to ashes and the concussive blast just killed the two guys next to him. This is such a ludicrously shit comparison because its like saying a 5.56 round has the same effect on target as a fucking rpg 7 hitting you in the face.

[@jammin1881]

Sam died in the halo novel to covenant small arms and plasma. What marines take in the 40k books is insanity compared to what pasted Spartans across walls.

[@kainbrightman198]

Thing is though, halo takes place in the year 2552 I think. Warhammer is 40k. If prof halsey was given 40000 years to perfect a supersoldier I think the favour would be in more favour of Spartans. Assuming the human race hasn't ripped itself apart multiple times like in warhammer

[@sakanouyenotamuramaro7718]

The fact of the matter is this, Halo Spartans would literally have a hard time living in the 40k universe as where the Space Marines would conquer cause the new enemies wont match up with what they're used to going up against.