#186

This week Moshe and Natasha are joined by Nick Kroll! They discuss Ultra-Orthodox Weird Al, having a baby at the height of the pandemic, and what Harry Styles tastes like! They give advice to one caller who is struggling with analog dating and another couple with different body hair preferences.
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[@ENigma-um8zw]

Nick with the Beck Sea Change reference 11:20 “Let the Golden Age begin..!”

[@gingerhitzke9185]

If only there were a Patreon group that the first guy could join and get his dating profile updated 😉

[@nicholkid]

Definitely relate to Jack here. Feel like it's impossible to make a connection over text. And you need that initial spark to get anywhere on dating apps...

[@davidadams2395]

There is too much back-and-forth and too little commitment. As Nick said, we’re inherently afraid of each other because one can still face rejection once you meet in person, even if there was a connection via text or phone. The number of people I met in the early days of the personals in the alternative papers and, later, the Internet when it was just Match or eHarmony who showed up completely altered from their photos never failed to amaze me.

[@challengethyshelf7002]

There is no better sound than hearing Moshe crack up✨✨

[@no1pinkjellybean]

If he wants her to shave, he should shave the areas on his body that he wants her to shave. Putting himself in her shoes

[@davidadams2395]

That’s a fair compromise.

[@lmpnchi9416]

Or find a side dude who doesn't mind it, like most well adjusted cishet guys...

[@jag5014]

She herself said she has her own hair preferences on a man and a mustache is a no for her, so how can she object to him not being into pit hair?

[@Pandi-Fackler]

@@jag5014 Simply put, it’s just different for women. While growing out a beard or not is a choice for men, shaving is a beauty standard that’s forced on women. So it becomes less about personal preference for us because men think it’s just what we’re “supposed” to do

[@gonefishin4244]

​@@lmpnchi9416 so you suggest infidelity!? What a twat!

[@EzraSacks]

Co-housing is exactly what you've described, Natasha! It started in Denmark and it's amazing.

[@alyssapowileituuuuuu]

Sacrafice season was funny imo

[@hannahadler2537]

Deaf Man in the Shteble is a hallmark moment of modern orthodox upbringing

[@vanessawhitneypro]

Three brilliantly funny humans. I thought the joke Jack made was funny! And, WOW, yes to that voice. What a fun episode, as always!

[@daphneglasurus7886]

I’m so grateful my wife and I prefer the same preferences for ourselves and our partner about body hair: shave everything on the bottom half and let the armpit hair grow

[@melissagifford67]

Oh hello!

[@tomblaze2]

Great episode 😂

[@mindymmk]

Great episode! Very funny! And as much as I love this podcast I want a Jack podcast or book narration so bad

[@10-OSwords]

Yes! Shout out to Beck. Golden age was the ish hype beast!

[@mjoyyourself]

I request that we have Yamaneika Saunders on the pod please!!!!

[@giaafshar8419]

im a lesbian and when ive explained my crazy night shift hospital hours to girls they thought i just wasn’t interested.

[@elizabethmcirvin]

love nick xo

[@AWJ-zf8cf]

That was already out there since the beginning with the lab

[@sleepy4968]

2 banger guests in a row 😍

[@figgettit]

a japanese grandmother just died hearing that nick put miso soup in the microwave.

[@VASABOY]

OMG favorite people in one place > thanksssss🥰🤩

[@sansevierika133]

I relate so much to Jack. I absolutely cannot do dating apps, I've tried. The issue is I'm not attracted to looks, I'm attracted to personality. Dating apps are so heavily based off looks that it gives me anxiety. I can be talking to a conventionally attractive guy and feel nothing.. But when I meet the weird lookin barista and think he's funny? I'm in love. I have no type and have no idea how to swipe based off looks and a little blurb. I also don't ever go out lol.. I work.. At a homeless shelter.. And I'm the boss so can't date coworkers. I'm stuck!

[@sansevierika133]

And speaking of homeless shelter.. He said he volunteers at a family shelter.. Nonprofits are so much more strict about any perceived harassment so he absolutely cannot ask another volunteer out. She would have to ask him or he would have to hang out as friends first. If she wasn't into it, he would be asked to not come back. If she is? It's all good. Really difficult.

[@THEREARENTANYHANDLESLEFT]

Sacrifice me jack lol

[@salomemk4543]

Jack is a 10. Come to NYC Jack.

[@For_The_Watch]

Loved Nick In don’t worry darling.

[@jcmea13]

Get Jason Mantzoukas on here please

[@rustymartin9386]

YES!!!

[@jessbelen]

i have that The Smith experience when I was 8 but with my uncle and the smiths was David Bowie. You can have a life changing experience in a different time of your life or a different way

[@hellocat9512]

Moshe was at TTITH :)

[@mikeausman5796]

@Moshe - Drip Drip!!! ✨💧💧

[@erintheokay]

Team Moshe and Nick on the body hair and beauty standards call. It's her body. Let her do what she wants to it.

[@pearbasket]

Tell Jack there’s a single woman living in South Carolina who thinks he’s very cute! And I would love to have a volunteering buddy 🥰 And if he’s listening to this podcast, I can trust his politics lol. But yes, Jack, put a sincere message on a Bumble profile that you’re genuinely interested in meeting someone. And then once you match with someone then you can bring up that texting isn’t your forte. Women will respond positively to honesty! If you’re asking this question on a podcast lol, then I believe you actually want advice on it. But yes, make an instagram and download Bumble! Good luck, Jack! ❤

[@Pandi-Fackler]

For the second caller (and any other women considering stopping a shaving routine): I am WITH you. I don’t shave for the same reasons but sensitive skin or not, your husband just needs to get over it and maybe examine within himself why he sees body hair on an adult woman as an issue at all. And I’m not saying I think he’s a bad person but I feel like if every man truly examined why beauty standards for women are the way they are, would they still agree with them and why? No matter what though, our bodies are ours and we’re the only ones who get the final say on their appearance

[@Melon-Lord]

First caller would do well on hinge because you can put a voice note in your profile

[@chilljackson577]

45:48 woah lol

[@Noblemight]

I think you can have all the hair you want as long as you continue to smell nice. And it's more tedious to keep body hair smelling nice, than it is to be rid of it permanently. If the guy doesn't like body hair, pay for it to be removed, since she is clearly exhausted with trying to manage it.

[@Jlumia1984]

Sacrifice Season

[@Giverne1]

Jack could read me the phone book and I'd sploosh.

[@a.w.3333]

Simple solution. Recommend doing a laser to remove your hair :) It takes a couple of sessions and you wouldn't need to worry about it for years

[@Colbzzk]

I would’ve also suggested possibly laser hair removal so she doesn’t have to shave or feel uncomforted when it grows back but if she actually just likes having hair and that’s her preference then maybe just some trimming to make her husband happy? Marriage is about compromise, and if she hid it in the beginning that’s not really fair to him.

[@Pandi-Fackler]

Right, well why is it always up to the women in the relationship to compromise? He can just be an adult and not care about it

[@For_The_Watch]

Weird Al is not jewish

[@dianapevtsov]

Correct. For those who don't know: AL was brought up Catholic, "Yankovic" is a Yugoslavian name, and he plays accordion because a door-to-door salesman convinced AL's parents to buy one for AL when he was seven.

[@sheefree]

Hey-O!

[@alexismcaloon8269]

I’ll leave my bf for the deep voice caller. (Just kidding; seems like a catch!)

[@annamuldowney4771]

Jack looks like Armie just a little

[@shawnthompson940]

To bad he's straight, Jack is super cute!! Love this pod.

[@Wendy_Cedeno]

Having body hair, doesn't make you less sexy....

[@maggiewahl5076]

I am a super lesbian and my wife of 18 years does not like when I do not shave! So I kind of think you should consider shaving maybe biweekly? Or by monthly? By the way, my wife and I just joined Patreon and it is not working or easy for us to gain access. We emailed Laura. Hopefully she gets back to my wife, otherwise how am I gonna hear Moshe’s amazing DJ sets

[@sprednxtnd]

"This is who they really are" 🤣😂🤣😂

[@culiblog]

Oh, we get to request Folq? Nick Kroll is great, but I wouldn't mind s'more Nick Thune.

[@harleenmann6863]

When u look up nick Krolls dad on KZbin and nothing shows up…

[@badad0166]

(MY) Ontario (Canadian) Public School experience in three distinct stages. North Toronto area. Play along: First! 0-6: Happy go lucky multicultural melting pot of shared joy. Huzzah! 7-9 Federal Prison with, well, welfare kids. What you lookin' at? 10-13 Jewish Princess inspired Studio 54 theme pageant with plays and shows and substances. Whoopie! Let's take my daddy's Caddie to Niagara Falls! Quite the trip, good times. Things have slowed down since...

[@jazdop2932]

Doug run

[@missoctober8859]

She looks a bit like Meg Ryan and Alicia Silverstone (hairy leg lady).

[@meivisco4033]

Drip drip 💧💛 💧

[@michaeljacksin9367]

2 pangolins one swamp

[@91frankthetank]

JACK IS SO CUTE. TXT ME

[@alexandrasandback1202]

At least Moshe and Nick were in the 21st century on the body hair discussion. Hearing women tell other women to shave just seems backwards. And shaving can be feminist as fuck, who cares about which way you sway, but no one should tell anyone else to do either...

[@amozizzle7566]

For real, natasha is stuck in the past

[@ashmode_]

@@amozizzle7566 I came here hoping that someone else felt this way. I am happily married, hearing her say that men don't want women with leg hair. Okay, sure. 😕

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

No one should tell someone what body hair to have, but people also can’t tell someone what to be attracted to. I prefer not have smelly armpits and waxing them decreases that. It also decreases being itchy and sweaty.

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

@@ashmode_Most men don’t even notice. If you wax, it comes in less and not stubble. I hate stubble on men honestly. It scratches my face, etc. they should wax or just grow a full beard.

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

She only said what most men prefer. You don’t have to just go by what most men prefer though. Men also are obsessed with youth and having breeding cows instead of partners

[@donharalson8880]

I love the good intentions paving the way to hell, it's a beautiful ballet of the worst advice

[@ikhailat]

I'd totally sacrifice you Jack ;)

[@sansevierika133]

Jack.. Sure, don't hit on girls at the humane society but let it naturally happen

[@Bluev3lvet]

Is Jack still single cause I’ll date him 🥰

[@myrgo1648]

No Jack, most women want to meet a man organically (in real life). The dream is to have the right person come up to us during an event or at a bar and spark a connection. That’s why most single people would get off the couch and go places! So your friends got it wrong and you are super handsome. Get out there! Also, if you’re not good with texting suggest a phone call or even FaceTime. I don’t know why they jumped to meeting in person immediately although you don’t need to wait more than a week to meet up with someone you’ve connected with online. That’s just dragging it out and we don’t want that either. As for the couple’s dilemma I do laser hair removal.

[@jenniferbarboza5864]

That’s good advice!!

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

I don’t get it, people like him because he sounds like he’s bored? He has a deeper voice, but it’s not particularly sexy. I feel like it’s so much easier for men. Women over 35 are basically invisible on apps even though if we were men, we’d be considered the most eligible and hottest thing. I have so much to offer, am in shape, etc, but men are obsessed with numbers (age) and finding a breeding cow. No one should care if someone wants kids or not. If you don’t find the right partner, it doesn’t matter. As a woman, I also don’t like back and forth because I think men are just practicing conversing with me and then never ask me out (instead, they probably see a 20 year old blonde woman). I don’t want to be practice.

[@dianapevtsov]

Preach.

[@pleasedontdestroythiseither]

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[@straightedgeveganbel2453]

Maybe that guy should try dating older woman who can handle being approached for a real life conversation 🤔....I'd love for a chill guy who can speak to approach me. Ppl now don't even know how to make eye contact or nod and smile. How could this have happened in such a short time, it's sad.

[@sabina_pip]

The hair lady should really try IPL or Doug is out!

[@BlackAllMightX]

Armpit hair is gross on men and women.

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

It also traps all the odor. You smell less when you wax it off. I’m all for men adopting this as well. Nothing worse than smelly armpit in your face. Men should also groom other areas as well if they expect someone to go near them. The road is a two way.

[@melissagardner5936]

Shave the pits sister!!! He is grossed out!😂❤

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

Waxing is way better. It literally just takes one wax strip for each armpit.

[@Pandi-Fackler]

@@JDMimeTHEFIRSTHer husband just has to get over it honestly. It’s literally just body hair and it’s rude for him to act this way about it

[@sambosworth6331]

It's not about feminism or the patriarchy. It's about the bait and switch on your husband, who you love with something that gives him specially, not men or society in general, the ick and it turns him off. If she's so far into the neo feminism rabbit hole that her husband's sexual desires and attraction to her just doesn't matter or mean anything to her anymore. I think it's time for some couples therapy and if she continues refuse to even acknowledge that she cares about him and what he wants at all, then it's time for a divorce. It's not fair to become a new person 10 months after having a baby with them and demand they love the new you equally. That's entrapment and maybe, actually insane. I really don't understand this callousness and lack of empathy towards ALL men's even smallest and most reasonable feelings and desires. Especially towards the men in their own family. It's sad and I'm glad Natasha was the only one to sort of graze over this exact point. I have no idea how she feels about it in detail and am not saying she is on my side of this. But if I were to guess by her reaction and responses that she at least understands my point of view. Sorry for the novel. In case you read this. Whatcha think Nat and Moshe?

[@josef2012]

Cool story,bro

[@Pandi-Fackler]

But it IS about men and society in general. For thousands of years no one gave a shit if women shaved or not but now thanks to the patriarchy’s desperate attempts to control us in any meaningless way possible, shaving has become the norm for women. And please, no one “becomes a new person” by choosing to keep their body hair or not. After all, it’s literally just hair. Something literally all of us naturally have at a point in the exact same places. So in other words, what person who’s brain hasn’t been poisoned by years of patriarchal conditioning cares?

[@sambosworth6331]

@@Pandi-Fackler I don't think you understand my point. The bait and switch is the problem. And switching to something the person you love finds unattractive. You can't choose what gives you the ick. But you can choose what you do with yourself for the people you love. For thousands of years no one cared about long toenails and feeling them in the night as you slept with your partner. But when we advanced as a society we made certain agreements with each other. We take care of the parts of our bodies that give our loved ones the ick. And we don't bait and switch such things in a relationship. I wouldn't all of a sudden stop clipping my toenails, and expect them to stay under control because I'll walk around barefoot like our ancestors did. And do that because it feels good to be connected with my natural body. After 10 years of clipping them my partner might be disgusted or even feel them in bed at night. Just like the leg hair. I'd clip my nails for my wife if she was disgusted by them and I'd hope my wife would shave if I was actually disgusted by her thing. It's a give and take with mutual respect for each others bodies and how they affect our love lives. And the main point is the bait and switch after years which I think you totally missed. To be honest, it seems like you search for a representation of a patriarchy in places where there isn't one. Check out some videos from JustPearlyThings and maybe we can have an intelligent conversation about men and women; and what's acceptable vs not, and which of those things are objective and which are on an individual basis. Because it seems like you don't have a full grasp on those things based on your reply.

[@Pandi-Fackler]

@@sambosworth6331 I think I understand more than you do about it because as I said before, it’s literally just body hair. It has nothing to do with who anybody is as a person so no bait and switch has taken place. I’d urge you to look into why you think women are dirty when they don’t shave because clearly that same logic isn’t being applied to men

[@sambosworth6331]

@@Pandi-Fackler Wow. Thanks for proving my point that you don't understand what I'm saying, by telling me that "I think women are dirty" And thank you for proving my other point that you look for patriarchy where there is none. Because if you read what I wrote, I focused on a MAN'S possible issue to use as an example to speak about agreements and bait and switches in relationships. And did you even watch the show? The man AND his wife confirmed that it was a bait and switch because she did it for years in the beginning of the relationship. Now they are 10 years in with two kids and she suddenly stops. That's why my toenail analogy works. And now I'm sure you either didn't read what I wrote or watch the video. Or you are so angry right now that the actual facts of the situation no longer matter, and you picked me, to scream at the patriarchy through some guy on KZbin. Drink a cup of tea or smoke a bowl and relax. Watch the video we are both commenting on, read all my comments. Watch two or three @JustPearlyThings videos. And maybe we can have a discussion on a level playing field. But I imagine you are a social justice studies type. So I doubt you will actually read the source material

[@thefriendlyontarian2992]

Kanye is right.