1990's USA Carrier Group vs 2020's US Carrier Group (Improved AIM-120D) (Naval Battle 70) | DCS

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[@jasonosmond6896]

Tomcats would have launched with 6 Phoenixes if the existence of the carrier was on the line. Carrying 6 AIM-54s was only an issue when recovering, as the weight of the missiles plus fuel put the aircraft over the arrested recovery weight limit. Deliberately landing on low fuel states or ditching million dollar missiles into the ocean is frowned upon in peacetime, but when you know you're going to be shooting them off at bad guys, you take all of them you can carry. There's a reason it was called the "armageddon loadout".

[@grimreapers]

Noted

[@dat581]

And all the Phoenixes would have missed. The Super Hornet will notch out the Phoenix quite easily and then turned back in on the Tomcats and launch AIM-120D-7s. If they hadn’t launched already. Goodnight Tomcats.

[@Mjones8383]

@@dat581 but the spitfire would kill them all in a dogfight

[@dat581]

@@Mjones8383 What a strange thing to say.

[@Arbyfig]

To be fair, the phoenix was designed to be long range interception, but was designed to hit bombers, which cannot maneuver like fighters, so the effectiveness is questionable? I won't say it won't hit, because will never know until tested

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

These always spark a tinge of nostalgia with me. When I graduated high school in 1986, I watched Top Gun in the theaters and enlisted the following day. Didn't even tell my parents who were furious. They had my college path all laid out and I threw a wrench into the works. But when I joined the fleet I was assigned the Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71 which had just been commissioned and went to the G-3 Division of the Weapons Dept which were know as Mag Rats. We worked all the weapons magazines onboard that kept all the boom booms that the aircraft carried. Missiles, rockets, mines, torpedoes and everything from the 20mm cannon rounds to the shells that blew off the canopies when they ejected. ALL BOOM BOOMS. The G-2 Division took care of the small arms like pistols, shotguns, etc. Basically when they load sheet came down and told us what was needed for the day's missions. We would break out the ordinance, assemble them, put them on their special carrier trucks then sent them up the weapon elevators (G-4 Division were responsible) then reverse the process when they didn't shoot or drop the ordinance. I was in the forward missile magazine trunk from 1986 to 1990. We worked with the AIM-54C, the AIM-7M and the AIM-9L, although the M versions were just getting to the fleet in small numbers. If there was a problem on the flight deck, I was a QA certified AO3 and I would go up to see if I could fix the problem. The aircrews were hard on equipment. Like a broken control fin on a Sidewinder, a broken ARM/DEARM handle, things like that. Sorry this comment is a dissertation, but like I said, these videos really hit home with me, thanks for making them so well!

[@NCCountryLiving]

I enjoyed the read! Thank you for your service!

[@jonathantoymaker]

I agree..but not like this.

[@xXPridefulPandaXx]

Awesome read, love to hear other peoples experiences in the military as someone who has never joined

[@roberttbrockway]

"They had my college path all laid out and I threw a wrench into the works." They really should have consulted you about your future.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@roberttbrockway They did, and that is what I wanted when we laid it out. Then once we had it figured out the began the process of putting money down, making calls to help me set up my dorm, etc. Then I went and did a 180° turn and they were like "wtf are you doing? This is what we agreed on!" Just how I said, I threw a wrench into the works

[@jansenart0]

24:05 Grump activated my Hey Siri.

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@user-hh8xe4dk3c]

Rarely leave comments, but feel obligated to appreciate the amazing work and the close interaction with the viewer. Constantly improving the scenario and the quality of the contents is the way to go! Please keep up the good work, cap.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks. Getting there slowly and painfully lol.

[@_R-R]

@@grimreapers Nothing great is achieved bloodless.

[@spencerliu211]

take a shot every time he says "valued viewer" I dare you.

[@grimreapers]

Not enough booze??

[@cameron1975williams]

There's a bug with the Super Carrier, where two Tomcats can't launch side by side on Cats 1 & 2. I believe IRL at least three F-14 could be launched simultaneously. I wish this bug was fixed once and for all.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Cameron

[@dat581]

They don’t launch simultaneously of cats 1&2. A second or two is required between each launch.

[@Defender78]

9:22 thats because "Both catapults are broken Sir, we can't launch any aircraft" "How long?" "It'll take ten minutes." "B.S. 10 minutes, this thing will be over in two minutes; get on it!"

[@MWSin1]

Wonder if the sim just has problems handling the bigger Tomcats on deck?

[@droman608]

This. Absolutely this. 🇺🇸

[@willwozniak2826]

Them F 35 Cs look beautiful on the Carrier.

[@grimreapers]

Im starting to come around to fat Amy, I feel dirty.

[@willwozniak2826]

@@grimreapers The F-14 Tomcat will always be my favorite plane.

[@marcel4821]

So much quality content does make the valued viewers feel valued, well done sir.

[@elmartillo7931]

These simulations are my favorite! Love your channel!

[@mobiusmoab]

The AIM-120C deliveries began in 1996. From 1991 to 1994 was the "A" and from 1994 to 1996 was the "B".

[@grimreapers]

Thx.

[@meanman6992]

Really wish the USN had commissioned F-14 Super Tomcat’s

[@RPMZ11]

You can thank Cheney for that.

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@evangalinsky2499]

Imo the F-14 would have been worth keeping and upgrading with even newer engines, mainly to make it more fuel efficient, an AESA radar, and either a whole new missile or modernized AIM-54, or both. But the F-14 is one of my favorite planes, so I'm probably a bit biased.

[@jonathantoymaker]

Iran has already done so and China can help with the aesa and longer range missiles

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@jonathantoymaker all Iran has done is kept theirs lol they were able to retrofit some older missiles to it and apparently developed a new one but the tomcats they have can barely even fly rn, China would have to replace basically everything within the airframe. Radar, engines, avionics, basically a complete overhaul especially since Iran only has F-14A's. It would have been much easier for the US for the simple fact that they already had B's and D's.

[@jonathantoymaker]

@@evangalinsky2499 It's called modernizing..tech exchange is happening now. Drones for jets..fuel for radars and such. Point is they made it better but it's still outdated. I do believe they are better off adding modern jets for sure..which they are.

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@jonathantoymaker Why so condescending bro lmao Yikes

[@okisoba]

@@jonathantoymaker it's not better. they're barely serviceable. the radar is the same radar, the "new" missile is a semi active Phoenix body with HAWK components, and who knows how effective it is.

[@dan.vitale]

your work on the weapons and systems is hugely appreciated Cap :) it really enhances the content

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Hey Cap, it would be great if you could also add any of the newer Standard Missiles, like the SM-2MR Block IIIB, SM-3 or SM-6 so that the ships also get an upgrade. Another interesting thing to add would be the upgraded version of the Patriot with the AN/MPQ-65A AESA radar (which additionally has two smaller arrays in the rear to enable it to scan 360°), PAC-2 GEM+ and PAC-3 MSE missiles. I think it would be a great addition because, from what I’ve read, the current configuration seems to be a very capable air defense system and adding it could help bridge the gap between BLUFOR and REDFOR SAM systems.

[@grimreapers]

Yup noted.

[@markstott6689]

I absolutely love these carrier battles and I dread the day when you run out of ideas. Hopefully we have a good few years to go. Keep them coming Cap.

[@dexlab7539]

Great Fun! Thanks Cap as always 🤩

[@TheDisabledGamersChannel]

Great video, was really fun to watch,

[@johnm4608]

Great stuff guys

[@Sardaukar240888]

23:15 that gun kill was fine as hell. Well done Killer.

[@mattw3606]

Awesome video as usual. Don't sweat forgetting a few things, you made an extremely entertaining video regardless.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@Pimps-R-us]

You sir are my Hero, Thanks for the scratch !

[@kenhelmers2603]

Exciting! Thanks Cap and GR folk

[@otenaikebabatunde8045]

Please keep up the good work love it 🥰

[@heynow3788]

I used to be one of those people who thought watching games online would not be fun... hard to admit when you're wrong! Your videos are pure entertainment and come with an excellently entertaining play by play voice over!

[@castlekingside76]

A genius way to gauge the improvement of the US Navy and Air Force over a 30 year period. Or, about 50 years technologically.

[@strambino1]

Cap is awesome! Best one yet! Videos like this are the reason I check your channel daily! If you do another 90s carrier group video I’d be so happy to see an Iowa, boom boom = fun!! Great job reapers!

[@grimreapers]

Thx Paul!

[@reghardmostert8425]

Great work, love the war games and effort put in these videos!! Must be running a monster server for a full on wargame Great work👌

[@stevenbaumes8017]

I love the F14 in all of its configurations. However, it was an interceptor designed for primarily 1 mission: hunting down multiple slower moving propeller driven Soviet Heavy Bombers carrying nuclear weapons during the Cold War. When needed it could fight and go toe to toe with other fighters its size but the AIM-54 Phoenix's were designed for taking those heavy bombers out. Not so much other smaller and more nimble fighters. Cool to see them give it a go and no surprise many Phoenix's missed their targetsin the simulation but unless completely upgraded into a 21st century Super Tomcat like they were potentially intended, they probably wouldn't survive long in a real 2020's plus engagement.

[@procommunistdestruction2318]

Hey cap another banger sorry working a lot trying to catch up on your videos this week. As always you did a great job and as someone who served around a lot of certain stuff I will say your accuracy is getting to the point of near perfect minus the stuff some people may want to shout with tech and some new missiles out that really would pull the 2020s way ahead even more but is a KZbin video worth going to jail over I think not lol great job

[@Adnanbin1985]

excellent video

[@davidbirt4643]

Awesome 👍

[@limescaleonetwo3131]

I hope you, sir, are doing wonderfully well

[@techforthedisabled9514]

Love your channel Sir

[@JF-0052]

Outstanding CAP 😁🇨🇦

[@bradleyrumley763]

Its the different style of launchers, the 1990s launchers were steam driving, the 2020s launchers use electromagnetic system. I also believe the tomcat is heavier, and with a lot less thrust, so that catapults need a higher steam pressure to create more speed to launch the tomcat.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Well since it's a Nimitz, both it and the Enterprise have the same-ish catapult systems. Tomcat being heavier makes sense and I agree.

[@jasonosmond6896]

F-14B had no lack of thrust. They were required to launch at military power only, afterburner was forbidden, because they could drag the catapult shuttle.

[@bradleyrumley763]

Im not saying that it doesnt have thrust, im saying that the weight to thrust ratio isnt as good as modern day jets.

[@jasonosmond6896]

@@bradleyrumley763 F-14B Tomcat fully loaded has a thrust to weight ratio of 0.75. F-18E Super Hornet fully loaded has a thrust to weight ratio of 0.67.

[@surters]

The Tomcat have Phoenix missiles!!! nice.

[@jamison884]

Entertaining as always.😄 I believe the largest restriction you face consistently at this moment is the AI's group programming and basic mission editor functionality (telling jets to fly to waypoint 1, do an action, then go and do something else after that). I think proper AI jets would be more conservative with their missiles rather than essentially spamming them off at four to who knows how many per enemy target. That's the biggest mystery to everyone outside of the actual military, as to how their tactics work in the real world and how they would set their engagement policy based on perceived tech advantage. We have to keep in mind, that a professional volunteer military such as the US essentially utilizes their entire career training to become better war-time aviators and that includes working together with their fellow pilots. When it comes to an actual battle, I believe the adjustment would be super-human in nature with the pilots and analysts quickly evaluating the real-time battle results and adjusting their tactics on the fly. Then we also see jets rushing into the SM-2 network of the enemy fleet when in reality they would turn back and either land when possible or fly CAP somewhere to harass any incoming jets. Given this specific battle, a better AI along with the implementation of a more accurate datalink (resulting in enhanced lethality for each AIM-120 missile) would essentially reinforce the modern fleet's victory. They would have lost fewer jets throughout the match since they wouldn't be flying into SM-2s/reducing their friendly CAP numbers for later on in the battle, and would also likely have AIM-120Ds to spare for the incoming anti-ship F-18s. The USN gets a lot scarier when you factor in how old these ship models are versus the modern capabilities. The newer SM blocks used for the modern fleet add numerous improvements to sensors and propulsion, particularly the use of the SM-6 (reported range of 240km). Also, does anyone know the specific variant of SM-2 modeled in DCS, as it appears to be one of the older variants with a significantly shorter range (compared to SM-2 currently deployed)? Then you add on the fact they would be carrying Tomahawks (including the capability to hit moving land and sea targets) and given the SM-series of missiles are capable of hitting moving land and sea targets as well. There's also enhanced SAM quantity for defensive purposes, due to these DCS Arleigh Burkes not being equipped with the RIM-162 ESSM going Mach 4+ at an approximate range of 50km, which is quad packed into a single Mk 41 VLS cell (just equipping 10 out of 90/96/122 VLS, depending on the ship model, would result in an additional 30 missiles per ship to be used against incoming missiles and aircraft). Every time we watch a cool wargame video, I simply can't help myself from thinking about how nice it would be for ED to improve their overall mission-editor capability, which would encompass the AI's overall capability to use teamwork and mission objectives. They have such an exciting base sim/game to use, and with the focus going on the execution of assignments, they could legitimately claim the best wartime simulator available to the public worldwide for both air force and naval simulation. Then I can't help but get spoiled and think of how amazing it would be to add submarines to the naval simulation: attack, guided-missile, and ballistic missile subs, the various types of sonar, anti-sub and anti-ship torpedos, modern naval mines (such as the US variety that head to the seafloor and have a captive torpedo pointing up), modeling of the ship anti-sub torpedo launchers, the addition of ship countermeasures (chaff, aerial decoys, towed decoys), anti-sub helicopters and planes along with their relevant weapon systems (the USN, in particular, has one or two SH/MH-60 helicopters per destroyer/cruiser), and RUM-139 ASROC rocket-boosted torpedos being launches from the Mk 41 VLS cells. The Soviet/Russian anti-sub rocket systems are pretty cool too. As GR knows via their Wolfpack/submarine videos, modern naval warfare without submarines is just half-baked in the end. Please ED! If you can justify the work it took to add naval assets to your sim, then surely modeling an accurate naval environment is also worth the effort.

[@djzoodude]

I think the addition of attack subs would change the whole complexion of these battles. If they are anything like real life, the massive advantage US Improved LA class, Seawolf class, and Virginia class attack subs have over any possible adversaries would make the US Navy nearly unbeatable. In a real war, US attack subs would sink the majority of the enemy Navy long before they could threaten US carriers.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Jamison

[@jacksonk4235]

I agree with the gentleman that said America needs at least 25 carriers.

[@user-sy2uc5zz7u]

So to clear up some potential misconception about the f-35's maneuverability, and this is consistently what I've noticed pilots saying about the plane, it should be able to have a better two circle rate fight than a combat loaded f-16, similar acceleration and energy recovery to a clean f-16, and similar aoa and low speed performance as an f-18 with again a much better recovery on account of the higher thrust. It would probably still have some trouble in a rate fight against an f-14 that's going slow enough, and it is a mod which isn't super accurate.

[@djzoodude]

I've read that loaded F-35s were beating clean F-16s in rate fights in the most recent Red Flag exercises.

[@user-sy2uc5zz7u]

@@djzoodude ooo that's interesting, can I get a link for that one

[@djzoodude]

@@user-sy2uc5zz7u I'll try, KZbin may eat it.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@djzoodude they are, they hold a 20-1 win loss at dogfighting scenarios alone, the F-35As are playing the defense role against aggressor F-16s, F-15s, Super Hornets and Typhoons. The one loss was a F-35A in the middle of a rate fight against an F-16 while the Typhoon achieved a lock by 3rd partying his 6 while he was busy. In BVR they dominate and have a 178-0 win loss.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

@@user-sy2uc5zz7u watch Hypohysterical's guide to the F-35. It's a KZbin video. I can't send links because KZbin blocks them

[@tyronemccloud4361]

Thanks!

[@grimreapers]

Thx Tyrone :)

[@christopherfox7650]

I saw the f18 super hornets were doing 1100kts and I swear I am not joking

[@grimreapers]

That's about Mach 1.5-1.6? It is a bit fast for that loadout BUT it's not crazy stupid like some of the mods are. I'd guess real superbug would top out at mach 1.2-1.3 full loaded high up?

[@christopherfox7650]

Super hornets are so much better than the normal hornets

[@christopherfox7650]

Also super hornets can do mach 1.8 in real life

[@anthonykearney608]

Its a shame there's no corsair and phantoms in dcs, would be cool to see 90s up against 60/70s. Would love to see the corsairs in the game. Love that plane

[@pandabear4321gogo]

0:00 "HELLO VALUED VIEWERS" I FEEL SO VALUED!!!

[@priyanshu1168]

All carriers group of big 5 country

[@thereclaimer2945]

Great fight Cap & all involved! Also hopefully someone will make a Gerald R Ford mod or the DCS Developers will add in the Gerald R Ford Cause that would be awesome to see! Again, amazing video all y’all you never disappoint.

[@grimreapers]

We'll have it soon I'm sure.

[@lightbenderga2017]

40:28 Correction here, the AIM-120 itself was put into service in 1991 as the AIM-120*A*, the AIM-120C didn’t see service until 1999, but that was only the base C model and not the C-5 that’s ingame, that came online in 2003. And no, we did not have AIM-9X’s until 2005.

[@grimreapers]

thx stupid error.

[@lightbenderga2017]

@@grimreapers All good, it’s not like it would have made too much of a difference anyway the stealths would’ve still whooped their butts, just with less losses.

[@Maverick0420]

Would be awesome if DCS allowed ECM aircraft like Growlers and Prowlers

[@StressfulGengar]

We have one already, the Viggen can do ECM and ELINT roles

[@calvinlee1813]

I am right with you on Electronic Attack. The mission is so important in modern conflict.

[@grimreapers]

One day maybe.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

My bets is on the 2020 group but them Tomcats are a good platform for air superiority. If no bugs or something, I'm pretty confident in the 2020 over 1990

[@merafirewing6591]

Boooooo.

[@justinzak5025]

30 years of “progress”

[@nathaniellazo5912]

My pick was spot on, I have a video idea for you. What if you do a 2v2 carrier simulation but one group is modern other is older. Maybe a USN 2020's and 1990's vs something like... idk PLAN 001 and 003 groups, or something else like from Russia with kuznetsov and Shtrom, the UK, or India. Just some food for thought Grim... Keep up the good work

[@grimreapers]

Will try.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

@@grimreapers really? Can't wait to see it then! Hope it doesn't crash...

[@Stinger522]

The amount of AIM-120Ds in the air was definitely worthy of some Japanese background music. The 2020 team really dished out a Macross Missile Massacre. if team 2020 had LRASMs, team 1990 would've lost their carrier earlier than they did in this video.

[@theoneneo5024]

Wow! The AIM-54 Phoenix was totally nerfed. I can understand them having issues hitting the F35C, but they should chew up the F-18.

[@Rover200Power]

Should have been AIM-54C too.

[@ShawnHinck]

Depends on how far they were launched, 30 miles, they should have a pretty solid hit rate, at 50+ miles though, not really.

[@kiro9257]

Not really. The AIM-54 Phoenix was designed to take-out slow and heavy Soviet bombers which can spam anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles onto the carrier. If, an AIM-54 ever hits a 4th gen fighter jet then, that missile must’ve been beefed-up.

[@grimreapers]

Yes they seem to have changed massively in last few months in game, almost zero hits against non-stealth targets.

[@Cobalt512]

That skull and cross bones livery on the tomcats won my heart.

[@mrlodwick]

Yes!

[@merafirewing6591]

I bet somewhere in an alternate universe that the United States has allowed the production of the Super Phantom and Super Tomcat.

[@kiro9257]

That would’ve been extremely expensive.

[@grimreapers]

Transport me there please.

[@SuperDuperBDUB]

Next we need to find a way to model an AGM-158C LRASM missile for the 2020s anti-ship Super Bugs.

[@grimreapers]

theoretically is possible, just need some time to do it.

[@bacco0447]

Amazing video as always, to donate to the channel is twitch the only way?

[@grimreapers]

If you look in video description you will find Patreon link. This is our main support. This also allows you to join in with WarGames etc battles.

[@davidhaywood3430]

Hi to the team, started watching your war games a few weeks ago and now love them, still learning the phrases you use even though I'm from the UK. Question though why is the F 35 not so good? Take care ex FAA 801 squadron

[@watcherzero5256]

Yeah I guess the Meteor has the same issue in game, in real life it will go Mach 2/3 and have bouts of gliding to reach 100km before doing a final acceleration to Mach 4+ while if the target is a lot closer (say 40km away, it will just go flat out Mach 4+ all the way).

[@glenfetsch3294]

probably the larger wing span of the F14 added to the decreased launch speed. With the Super you can have all 4 lined up on the cat ready to launch. With the Tomcat you can have them lined up, but not wings extended and ready to launch.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@RPMZ11]

Great stuff Blighty. SVP, One more for the books.....try a full 90's CVN load out with 24 Toms, with a forward Fleet CAP already up, covering with their 6X AIM-54s each....that's 144 AIM-54'C's History will, I still say, prove that the fleet would be massively better off now with a 21st C, M 2.4+ Super Tom ASF's Slain te'🍻

[@hoghogwild]

A 1974 F-14A could bust Mach 1.9 with gun and full load of AIm-54. If the Navy had gotten the all F-14D Super Tomcat they wanted, with the money to support and evolve them, they would have been better off.

[@josephkugel5099]

@@hoghogwild Agree 100%, at this point at minimum we would have an all ST-21 Block 3 force of Super Tomcats armed with ALL the latest tech including the worlds most powerful fighter based AESA radar and an air to air load out consisting of the AIM-54D, AIM-12D & AIM-9X, this thing would have been an unstoppable BEAST that the Super Hornet will NEVER be able to match if they continue to upgrade it for another 50 years.

[@terryweedon8431]

I wonder if the difference in launch speed could have been fixed if 90s carrier only used f18s for anti ship, and all anti air was F14s? Gotta be some kind of conflict due to size differences. But great videos! Can't wait for the next one. P.S. maybe just for fun.... Throw in 4 Iowa class just for added boom boom? Lol

[@jamesd4013]

I'm at 12:40 in and I hope the Tomcat wipe the floor with the Hornets and Fat Amys. As I was typing....a Tomcat got waxed. Bummer

[@josephkugel5099]

Its just a game, in the REAL world the F-14D would absolutely slaughter the Super Hornet and if we are talking about the ST-21 Tomcats then even Fat Amy would be in deep shit.

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Just an FYI us carrier groups sometimes had iowa class battleships in the fleet of the 1990s carrier group

[@timblack6422]

It’s a great day!

[@mhunthsd]

90's Fleet was handicapped by not having destroyers for Anti-Air. I can see not giving them Burkes, but they would have had Spruance Class DD's or at least Kidd class. The Perry class was a FFG, not a DD. Not trying to say it would have changed the outcome.

[@christopherfox7650]

They didn't have anti air in the 190s and still they wouldn't be good like the ones today

[@kanyeeast8450]

@@christopherfox7650 What??? Yes they did, the US were the first to put SAM systems on ships in the mid-50s with their Terrier system, onto some converted cruisers in arm launchers. The US knew the potential of SAM systems and heavily relied on them on their Naval assets, essentially having the best naval air cover on Earth within the average carrier group. As for ground-based SAMs, they didn’t tend to have those as they had a large enough edge in their air force to essentially constantly be on the offensive, reducing the need for SAM sites as is. But yes, the US has had SAM-covered waters as far back as 10 years after world war II.

[@christopherfox7650]

We are talking about another version mate

[@koljavianden988]

The 1990 CVBG would had way more aircraft and escorts.

[@RPMZ11]

24 F-14's with 144 AIM-54C.... up to mach 5....guided in by E-3's on the link.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Whoop! Wop! BOOM!!

[@Mjones8383]

Without watching I'm guessing a resounding defeat for the 90s. Let's watch and see

[@hydronpowers9014]

Ticonderoga cruiser vs arleigh burke destroyer

[@grimreapers]

It's a non-battle. We have the Burke version that didn't come with anti-ship missiles so it is anti-air only.

[@hithere7382]

It takes more steam pressure to hurl a tomcat off the deck than a super hornet.

[@igotshose8373]

Felt like watching a football game of navies

[@RavensEagle]

Been watching a couple of your vids for a while now and could I ask for a favor. In the Description could you put a list of each team for like: team red, these aircraft, these weapons. Team blue, these aircraft these weapons. So I can quick see which planes are being used, because sometimes I just wanna see certain planes being used or certain weapons being used. And it would probably also help with search algorithm on KZbin. Thanks for the vids

[@jasonvick55]

I think Cap had said the F-35A variant is the only one with a gun, and that’s true for an internal gun, but the B and C variants can carry the same cannon, just on the centerline of the exterior, and with very few rounds. Disclaimer…that’s from Wikipedia…lol!

[@nimrodquimbus912]

I am pretty sure the Forrestall F-14's were flying with Corsair II''s and intruder/Prowlers before the hornet.

[@misael008]

The tomcats and foxhounds remind me of the space ships in the Nintendo 64 starfox game.

[@Floki255]

Love your videos. Any chance for a Carrier Command multiplayer video from you guys?

[@Yuushiboy]

They already have a playlist with carrier command.

[@Floki255]

@@Yuushiboy Yeah, I know, watched them already. Hoped for some new videos.

[@grimreapers]

Yup working on new PvP campaign in CC2 but will be a little while yet.

[@tituslaronius]

I think Mooch once said something like they wouldn't fire the Phoenix until around 40 miles. Don't know if that applies in game.

[@grimreapers]

Wow that's crazy.

[@castlekingside76]

😆 US vs US. Loved it

[@voodoosunny]

looking forward to scenarios from top gun maverick

[@Packer1290]

How about a modern aircraft carrier at Pearl Harbor Dec 7th, 1941? I loved the premise of the move The Final Countdown but always hated the cop out ending.

[@bruhmomento4590]

A US CSG with a couple LRASM would be interesting

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@naraiceylob]

Its worth noting that the Blue fleet had to rescue their fighters by firing anti air missiles around 15 minutes into the video. This left them out of SM2 anti air missiles later on when anti shipping missiles are coming in. Earlier in the video you ask about the F14's slow rate of launch compared to the F18s. You don't mention this later on so I don't know if the blue fleet launch rate manages to improve. I suspect that the F14 wider wingspan means theres trouble manuevering to the catapults in DCS. In real life 2 F14s barely fitted on a Nimitz elevator. Do they in DCS. Sorry I don't know why there was a slower rate of launch. Just throwing out ideas.

[@naraiceylob]

@@mrstring4592 the 1990 and 2020 carriers were both Nimitz classes so I doubt there was a catapult difference in dcs.

[@grimreapers]

Yes I'd like to do an experiment to find why those tomcats are so slow to launch.

[@naraiceylob]

@@grimreapers if it turns out one of my ideas are correct let me know.

[@nathanhuntoon8099]

Before any millennials get too excited about 'their' technology defeating the GenX tech, just remember who designed that tech. As a GenXer, my first job as an engineer was China Lake Naval Warfare Center in 2001. I had friends working on, AIM-9X, F-35, AESA radar plus other toys that are in service now.

[@grimreapers]

cool

[@Anarchy_420]

It would have been cool to see a Iowa Class Battleship for the 90's team... besides that the mixture of aircraft was bad ass!👍

[@grimreapers]

lol yeh good idea, I forgot about them :(

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers lol no worries, next time ;)

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers when you get around to U.S. Carrier Fleet 3rd Rematch VS Russian Carrier Fleet PLEASE include additionally The Iowa Class Battleship! Plus LHD Amphibious Assault Ship! Carrier-- half F-14's and half F-18's (obviously Super Hornet's now;) and F-18's take off first! F-35's and Helicopters on LHD and Helicopters on Support Ships! It'd also be cool af if you placed The Battleship near The Carrier as a bodyguard!😅👍

[@Anarchy_420]

@@grimreapers btw I kno you've seen this already and said Noted lol just a friendly and hopeful reminder😁✌

[@jonathantoymaker]

Aim-120d meet pl-15 and his big brother pl-21...Let's go

[@Mako2-1]

3:07. Not a big deal. The USMC still operates many f-18c’s from nimitz carriers and we’re deep enough into the 2020’s. If anything, it’s more realistic because the usmc planes always maintain a presence on navy super carriers and at this moment they have more hornets than lightnings. I will say however, adding the gun pod to the lightnings if possible would be pretty realistic

[@djzoodude]

Actually the last Marine Corps F/A-18C squadron just stopped operating last year. They transitioned to F-35s. No more legacy hornets are flying off US carriers anymore.

[@jamison884]

Hey Supercap, do you have any "special pull" with ED developers? Or another question, how difficult would it be to add a "basic-ish" mod to the USN Mk 41 VLS? I think it would be pretty epic if the SM-2 missile could essentially be copied and pasted into the game files via mod, and rename the pasted data to "SM-6." Here's the estimated range per Wiki, which references a couple of reputable defense industry analyst sites that have been operating for a decade or more, and they have a history of using primary government sources and interviews. "Estimates of the SM-6's range vary; its official published range is 130 nmi (150 mi; 240 km), but it could be anywhere from 200 nmi (230 mi; 370 km) to as much as 250 nmi (290 mi; 460 km)." Although the SM-6 will have a different external appearance/game model and it is surely a more optimized missile in every possible way due to it being a more modern upgraded missile developed from the SM-2 series, I think getting into a basic SM-6 model would be a welcome addition and if anything, using it merely as an extended range SM-2 missile is the safest approach possible to ensure it isn't over-modeled compared to real-world capabilities.

[@grimreapers]

I've pretty much cut ties with ED sadly, but please contact me in Discord plz. I need some help making new weapons in game. Thanks. Cap

[@seaferg5072]

do you think these carrier group vs carrier group matches would make for a good competitive format? It seems similar to Star Wars Squadrons where you have a capital ship to defend while there are AI and player controlled fighters on each side. I would love to watch two pro teams try that...

[@ilejovcevski79]

Look-y like-y those Delta slammers still need some work...

[@grimreapers]

Yup wilco.

[@theoneneo5024]

The Link 4 datalink allowed Tomcats to get target data front the Hawkey AWACS and launch a Mach 5 AIM-54 at over 100 NM. The Phoenixes should have been out much earlier than the AIM-120Ds. Fourteen Tomcats should be able to launch 6 Phoenixes each within a matter of seconds. The super bugs would be overwhelmed.

[@notravstar]

Pov: you are wrong

[@Silversmok3]

100 NM? Lol. TOPGUN recommended shooting no farther than 30 miles , because beyond that distance even a small heading change would defeat the Phoenix.

[@justfun287]

Ahhahahahahahaha

[@kiro9257]

Nice joke, man. This made me laugh 😂

[@grimreapers]

You may be right BUT this just seems to be how the AI are firing their missiles at the moment.

[@colincampbell817]

Watching these Aim 120 D's tracking targets out side the radar cone of the missile - makes me think that the stats are still broken. Even with a modern data link I feel it would be hard pressed to get it to work like this in a full combat/ECM environment. And although the Phoenix's are designed to hit bombers the AI's seem to dodge them to easily. If you do it again with humans I think you will see a different performance.

[@djzoodude]

The Super Hornet vs Legacy Hornet dogfight was interesting. In real life, the legacy Hornet is a tad more maneuverable than the Super Hornet. Rolls a bit better and has better acceleration in subsonic flight regimes. But the Super Hornet has substantially more powerful engines, so it retains energy better and can sustain a turn longer. So a Super Hornet would probably win that fight against a 90s Era legacy Hornet. Though some legacy Hornets did get engine upgrades, so one of those might actually win a dogfight against a Super Hornet. Not sure when they got the upgrades though.

[@ribsi85]

..... ooooh that looked expensive.

[@44lucas]

Cap, I will again suggest you look at the Baltic sea region, there's lots of gear there at the moment, from S-400 and other SAMs, Su-35s and possibly 57? in Kaliningrad vs. All the NATO assets there are, including 6 F-22s in Łask AFB over in Poland

[@grimreapers]

We are getting that actual map in game I believe so will await it's release.

[@Tee-_-BOY]

I read somewhere that the f35 will be able to get 2 more weapon in its internal bay

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

Yeah, block 4 upgrades increase the radar processor speed by 20% and allow the weapons bay to hold 8 aim 9x, or 6 aim 120D, or 6 aim 9x and 2 aim 120D. They're also getting a Northrop Grumman laser missile countermeasure system that blinds incoming missiles.

[@shmevan_]

I have an irrational love of the Super Hornet. It just seems like the airframe does what's asked of it no matter how ridiculous it gets. Air to air? check. Air to ground? check. Anti-ship? check. Missile truck for f35s? check. Make it (semi) stealthy? Check.

[@federicoetcheverry7963]

awesine

[@griffixxx7897]

how do you do these simulations? They look fun to do

[@grimreapers]

It's all in here: kzbin.info/aero/PL3kOAM2N1YJdFQl4vNo5CMcv7PrSHpreS

[@jjhead431]

The B has a gunpod. A little faceted thing. I'm sure it fits on the C also, whether they hang it on them actually, I don't know. EA-6B/EA-18G integration would be very interesting. I'm sure anything really neat they can do is highly classified though. Again, AIM-9X on the wing rail for F-35 evidently has little to no impact on RCS.

[@Utubesuperstar]

you are correct the b and c can mount the stealthy gunpod which actually has more ammo than the built in gun on the a which they couldn't use due to the fact that the b and c use chute and drogue refueling instead of boom and the drogue goes right where the 25 mm cannon on the a is

[@MrDJAK777]

I'm extremely dubious of any visible seeker not affecting RCS

[@jjhead431]

@@MrDJAK777 be that as it may, if you look at picture of operational F-35's, they almost always have an AIM-9X loaded. It may not have 0 affect on RCS, but it seems to have little enough to not be concerning.

[@jjhead431]

@@mrstring4592 I don't doubt it. Everything is good plated and very dear in this program. Only hope is for the world to stay on the petrodollar.

[@MrDJAK777]

@@mrstring4592 that make sense, I imagine they could use something similar to what the f22s canopy is made from/coated in for the seeker heads.

[@Istandby666]

The biggest problem with new aircraft vs old aircraft. The new tech cost so much, it's better off upgrading an older aircraft. The B-52's have been extended to 2060. The B-2 is getting ready to be retired. Look at the F-22, it's an 80's technology. I grew up at Edwards Air Force Base during the ATF testing. And the F-22 still has technology that hasn't been declassified. I'm glad I grew up in the Government Black projects.

[@grimreapers]

agree