2 Bullets in One Case? - The Weird 45-70 Duplex Round - Tested!

Today we test out a round that shoots 2 bullets at one time. This is the legendary duplex bullet found in the book "Forty Years of the 45-70". There was always a lot of speculation of how these functioned but finally we are able to see what happens using a Chronos high speed camera.
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[@cheerdiver]

12:00 The water sweating out the top, from hydraulic shock, is premium footage.

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Absolutely. I remember the times before the chronos.. i wish they'd redo the microsteel wax slugs, those were savage!

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[@jontay4199]

Oh yeah, love the expansion as they fly through. Just imagine what that must do to your insides! 😮

[@chaplainand1]

Only 45-70 I've handled was about 60 years ago. A fellow working for my dad on our farm brought one. Single shot. Open the top, load in the round and clamp it closed. Octagonal barrel. Very heavy. Shot an empty five gallon steel can at maybe 10 yards. Dime hole going in, fist sized exit hole. I wish it had been filled with water. What a beast.

[@MrBurgerphone1014]

Sounds like a trapdoor

[@bad74maverick1]

@@MrBurgerphone1014 It is. They are called J.P. Gemmer rifles or Carbines. Really nice guns.

[@Harry_Ballzonya]

Shooting 45-70 is more addicting than drugs 🤷

[@chrisweiss6363]

Kill'em gut'em shin and cook all in one shot.

[@sdriza]

@@Harry_Ballzonya yep - lever action Henry - may be my favorite gun...

[@ryanlukens9280]

“It’s not us, you didn’t win shit.” Gotta love the brutal honesty from OG. Another interesting round and fun times watching it work. Keep on keepin on guys.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Ryan

[@laurianweisser5944]

Social media summed up in 7 words

[@bunnybreaker]

Seems like most channels need to do the same PSA.

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

@@taofledermaus guessing you are using smokeless instead of real black or 777 since no ton of smoke? Tried multiples in 410 full brass but worried about higher pressure smokeless

[@andrewallason4530]

Yeah. Weird the shit FooToob will crack down on, but they never do anything about the scammers. I’ve reported multiple scams, only to see them reinstated after a couple of days.

[@efrin23]

The first bullet is not staying in line because the second bullet is still being pushed by the pressure of the powder. if they were connected by a pin they might not spread as much. That would kind of make one round so what's the point. Great job guys y'all always keep me laughing.

[@wildcatindustries8030]

Your channel never fails to be very entertaining. I was worried when you were first getting demonized but I’m happy to still see new uploads.

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Thanks! Things have gotten a bit better, I think YT is threatened by Tik Tok and are trying to keep creators from jumping ship.

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I doubt it’s tik tok that is threatening them, plenty of video platforms designed specifically to be competitors to YT and some of them are doing really good. Not that they can be mentioned, any time I’ve tried the comment is deleted instantly so it’s not hard to know which ones YT is worried about.

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Same here. By far the best channel for this type of content on the platform!! Been watching for over 3 yrs myself

[@taofledermaus]

@@jaydunbar7538 So far only Tik Tok has proven to be a real threat. Others like Minds and Rumble haven't made a dent.

[@JohnsonDaChumplie]

I shoot the .45-70 myself, very good show today. The trolls used to follow me everywhere but I haven’t seen them lately. I think they work for YT as they get away with everything they do.

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

The 45-70 is a pretty spicy round. Thank you for testing the weird stuff. Damn near all the rounds you guys test are interesting as Hell. 🤙🏾

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@tommiefisher2458]

@@taofledermaus is there any bit of an fps difference with 2 bullets as opposed to 1. It seems to me like the second bullet pushes that first bullet down amd out the barrel. I would think that would create a loss in velocity.

[@bad74maverick1]

Maybe it's because I have been collecting a shooting military surplus, and other guns for 30 years, but it's not a spicy round in my opinion.

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

@@bad74maverick1 yeah. A lot of military weapons are extra spicy. What's your favorite so far?

[@bad74maverick1]

@@TheGeekiestGuy Woah, good question. Well the .338 Lapua is a lot of fun. 8mm Turkish Mauser is a hot cartridge. The Turks got proof ammo from Germany and thought that was the actual load, so loaded all their cartridges way too hot, it's good stuff. Can't love 8mm and not love 30-06, but my favorites are the old ones. like I said I don't think 45-70 is a spicy round but I do love my 1888 high wall and trapdoor springfields. 11mm mauser, 50-70 Govt. is another one I like, 56-50 spencer. But I think my favorite of the old cartridges is 577/.450 Martini Henry. Pretty powerful cartridge at that.

[@claudebarnum7760]

The reason the rear bullet is more accurate, the front is "free floating" while the back one has pressure behind it, once they leave the barrel the rear is still pushing, the front is being carried with it. Take any 2 objects next to each other push one from the center against and with the other one, at some point that front one will grab something, get more friction and it will want to go a different direction.

[@justahologram2230]

Same reason the military was never happy with the accuracy of colt's salvo squeeze bore experiments

[@TheCrazeTaker]

Hey Claude, i truly appreciate the time to write this explanation for others to understand. The only problem, your explanation make no gah-damn sense to me in layman’s terms. How is it that the front is being “carried” by the back round after leaving the barrel? Are you trying to explain the back bullet using the slip stream of the front bullet to accelerate faster due to the lack in air pressure? Also why is it that when the front bullet “grabs something” which i assume u mean hit somwthing, it will want to got a different direction? Genuinely curious, thank you for your knowledge!

[@LifelongExperience]

@@TheCrazeTaker he didn't say the BULLET grabbed something, he said if you experimented - say on a bench, take two ends of broomhandle, and push one with the other, the front one will eventually get pushed aside. I agree with the possibility of such a principle, but not sure how the energy imparted to the front bullet would resist that effect, and how much drag on the nose of the first bullet is shielded from the second until they part company.

[@francisbissii1120]

The forward bullet being pushed by the nose of the rear bullet is not concentric anymore. The nose of the rear bullet is most likely a bit off also, but if the base is flat it will fly true at least at short range.

[@aaronawoodard]

@@francisbissii1120 Well the slow-mo also shows disturbance in the spiraling when moving the first bullet out of the way, so the wobble alone adds more drag, its all still minimal enough that it makes up its own length at the short distance to enter at the same time... the farther the distance the more the wobble, the greater the effect, hence farther spread AND delayed entry times... We all good now?

[@FortuneCookie45LC]

Hello to Jeff and OG, Another fine video. Nick is great and deserves much success. My guess is the alloy Nick used was BHN 15-16. I've tried duplicating the old prison riot control 3 round ball loads in 45-70 and found the spread to be such that 25 - 30 yards was the maximum range for practical effectiveness. Apparently, the inertia of the front bullet(s) gets squash deformation - The base driving bands of our cast bullets take a beating, especially if cast soft and if driven hot. These would be devastating hunting loads for short range feeder blinds - multiple hits simultaneous and close together. Happy Holidays to you and yours, Steve

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you Steve. I trust your experience.

[@davidkaye8712]

They bring a whole new meaning to "Double Trouble" a perfect name for them.

[@nickross133]

Jeff that was awesome to see those in slow motion. I remember years ago seeing a test where they deformed some bullets to see how it affected stability. They deformed the nose on some and the base on others. The deformed noses didn't affect things much but the deformed bases really messed things up. I bet that's what you saw going on here. I can't remember where I saw that. OG that's some beautiful lever guns by the way!

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks again for sending them. Gregg asked me to get your mailing address so he can send the cases back once he shoots the remaining ones.

[@nickross133]

@@taofledermaus No problem. I'll send it. Thanks for the shout out.

[@taofledermaus]

@@nickross133 plus it gave me a chance to send some viewers over to Steve's video.

[@nickross133]

@@taofledermaus Steve is great. One of the best people I've come to know. The 12 gauge crimpers are on backorder right now but I have a batch at Midsouth Metallurgical for case hardening and black oxide. It'll be a little before we get them in the store but they're coming.

[@wadekirby8575]

That was The Box O' Truth #49. (It's still up in a different format.)

[@shealarson2635]

That’s one of the best ballistics gel bullet tests that I’ve ever seen. Not because of the science behind it but because it’s most aesthetically pleasing.

[@mitchellw.copeland8526]

I wish more people would use those 20" long blocks so you can see clearly the way the bullets travel.

[@johnnorman7708]

I read excerpts from that book that was mentioned. .45-70 is a very capable and useful hunting cartridge. It works well over a broad range of animal sizes and doesn't exhibit excess carcass damage on deer size game. Just .45 caliber holes. It is a meat hunters cartridge for sure. It also has a very broad flexibility in reloading. This video shows that.

[@billhoppe2991]

Thanks Guys. Interesting how the accuracy went to heck at 40 yards when it was so good at 25 and closer. Still really interesting. I really appreciate everything you two do.

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@george2113]

Would you speculate why accuracy declined?

[@billhoppe2991]

@@george2113 No I couldn't as I'm not a Bulletoligist. No clue actually.

[@davidblack7184]

Always loved this caliber . The ballistic data and history . Kinda slow but heavy enough to plow through .

[@mrrustygray]

Buffalo Bore loads some really spicy hot .45-70. you will be surprised at the fps. I have the bear loads.

[@Sableagle]

Have you seen the "Miscellaneous Rounds meet the Box O' Truth" results for this thing? 12 sheetrock panels then a gallon jug of water to catch anything that went through all of them, then wooden box full of bricks. .45 ACP got through a few panels. 9 x 19 mm and .22 LR got through a few more. 5.56 x 45 mm blew up the jug and cracked a brick. 7.62 x 51 mm blew up the jug and shattered a brick. .45-70 took a brick and half the back face of the box down-range with it.

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Great series! For informational purposes... Cement and aggregates like sand and 3/4 inch stone along with water make up concrete. Quikrete is a brand name.

[@rajgill7576]

Gregs humor never gets old 🤣

[@ryanjohnson3615]

Brandon joke is old. Why not joke that it's Trump you're shooting? Or would he prefer the termination of the constitution FFS. First political garbage I've seen on this channel over the years. Leave it out.

[@shotgunshelz7987]

Considering basically every shot hit both projectiles on target, i'd say they were a huge success.

[@taofledermaus]

At closer ranges, but the 40 yard shot wasn't too impressive

[@Sableagle]

... huge success. It's hard to overstate my satisfaction. Aperture Science. We do what we must because we can, For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead, But there's no sense crying over every mistake.

[@gunsforevery1]

1in spread at 10 yards a great success? I guess so.

[@logitimate]

@@Sableagle And the science gets done, And you build a neat gun, For the people who are still alive!

[@oldsarj]

I have both of Paul's books on the 45/70. His one on paper patched rounds had me really excited for a while but I eventually decided that casting my own lead bullets was 'less that optimal' as an idea. Fun reads, though. And you can kill anything in N America with a 45/70. Nothing you want to get hit with.

[@doejon9424]

Absolutely. A torso hit anywhere, you are done. Arms / legs.. you are likely loosing that leg or armunless they can get you in surgery to remove all the splinterd bone & get a titanium rod placed. I would also argue that this is strong enough for "Africa's Big 5" as well, with well placed shots (depending on range too). Only an adult male elephant may survive. A Cape Buffalo sure wouldn't stand a chance.

[@metamorphicorder]

.22 done right is enough for the african big 5. With proper placement. .45-70 increases that proper shot placement circle tho.

[@Adamsadventures83]

@@doejon9424 45/70 has indeed taken all of the big 5

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

Casting lead easy. Campstove and tiny cast iron pan and welding gloves with a nice thick rag for handling pan. Casting pure zinc tougher. Higher melting point of zinc, and more potential of spill damage. Lead a good start

[@hillbilly4christ638]

@@metamorphicorder so you would shoot a bull elephant or cape buffalo with a .22?

[@thealarmclock9307]

I've learned more about external ballistics from this channel than any other

[@JonesingUSAF]

The dad quality puns never cease to entertain!

[@thomascowley7412]

Awesome to see you use the 45-70! I’d love to see more crazy 45-70 rounds demonstrated! Awesome!!!

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

I was wondering about the spread on more normal duplex rounds. Apparently with the old experimental military duplex rounds from project salvo, the top round had an angled base so the bottom round would push it off to the side and cause more dispersion, but that always seemed kinda weird to me, but I guess it was kind of necessary for the kind of dispersion they wanted. Neat

[@timclaus8313]

Possible the hollow point on the second round didn't damage the base of the first round enough to impact flight. Might be interesting to check accuracy with a flat point in the front, hollow point as the second bullet.

[@quint3ssent1a]

In the end bullets dispersed too much, so duplex with angled base was a dumb idea.

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

@@quint3ssent1a the entire point was the dispersion, the point of project salvo and similar projects isn't an increase in strict marksmanship, but an increase in overall hit probability in the heat of combat with things like suppression fire and only getting brief windows to actually shoot at something. This is also the idea behind the g11, an-94, the related project SPIW etc. Its not about treating an assault rifle like a dmr, because a lot of situations don't really allow for that. Debates on whether that was a good idea or not are philosophical but I don't think you can dismiss the idea outright as just dumb, they were causing the greater dispersion on purpose

[@joesal8097]

Multiple projectiles is an old school concept. Buck and ball was favored by General Washington in the revolutionary war. Also the British soldiers of the time mentioned how well the colony fighters made use of the "goose guns". I noticed in many kentucky rifle replicas that have massive pit damage in the bore only shoot accurate if two round balls are stacked. Then the accuracy increases substantually. Even more accurate than a single maxi ball fired from the same barrel.

[@Milspecpoptart]

A harder lead alloy might help with the deformation. Water quenching helps keep brinell hardness up after powder coating.

[@joeyr7294]

I always wondered what roll crimp you used. Really, thanks lol I'm about to go buy one!

[@taofledermaus]

It does work well.

[@ronin47-ThorstenFrank]

That was very interesting. Especially the ballistic gel block surprised me in many ways positively. And I can´t stop to hug you for using the Outlaws OST occasionally!!!

[@taofledermaus]

It's a great soundtrack

[@ronin47-ThorstenFrank]

@@taofledermaus Oh, yes! Still, the game itself seems a bit forgotten though (undeserved IMO).

[@karlwilliams9628]

A few years back I had found some old US army information pages with different 45-70 loads. One was a buckshot load with 3 .45 caliber balls, one was a shot load using over powder and over shot wads, but my favorite was what they called a button bullet. It was a reduced powder load with a small round nose bullet of 200 or 180 grains (I can't recall right now) that was originally used for training but was popular for small game hunting.

[@brittakriep2938]

I am german, and a longer time ago i read in a german arms magazine, that german imperial army used for 11,15 x 60 black powder cartridge in small numbers a cartridge containing two round lead balls, so your comment is plausible. Also austro- hungarian army had for their 11mm black powder cartridges a rare used cartridge version with shot. Either german or austrian cartridge was called ,Wachpatrone'/ guard cartridge.

[@pitchforkpeasant6219]

@@brittakriep2938 like old shotgun shells in full brass im guessing. I use tight fitting cork to keep everything seated to black powder for no gaps. Gaps using black powder bad

[@ianfinrir8724]

@@brittakriep2938 The British Army also had buckshot cartridges for their Snider-Enfields that were issued to soldiers on guard duty.

[@brittakriep2938]

@@ianfinrir8724 : It now seems, that this was used in many countries.

[@ThatMDubyaGuy]

The Paul Matthew's book should be required reading for anyone who has a .45-70. I used to make a triple ball load with .451" round balls and some Teflon tape between them, crimping on the last one. It would feed through the 1895 Marlins perfectly well. There was an article in an old Gun Digest, "The .444 for survival" if my memory serves, by Robert Sherwood, and it had a number of interesting loads including a 4-ball load, and a shot load that used a round ball to cap it. I replicated it in the .45-70 with #6 shot, a .410 shot cup trimed back and a .451" ball again. It wasn't really useful for anything on the wing, but if you wanted to shoot a rabbit, you just aimed where you wanted the ball to go. If you were looking at something thinner skinned or smaller, you just aimed off to the side and the shotload would take care of it. The range for the shot load was minimal because the rifling over rotated the shotcup.

[@cliffshirley829]

Of all TFM videos I've seen, the Minie slug was the most interesting in terms of what a plain lead heavy slug can do. Glad to see you doing more large bore rifle rounds. Keep it up and thanks.

[@SpankyK]

Great video guys! Such a cool idea for a round being that 45-70 is vicious as a single round!

[@adabsurdum5905]

The fact that the spread of the bullets is smaller than the temporary wound cavity means these would be horrifically effective.

[@thomasmills2404]

One of the OEM loads for the Gatlin Gun used in the War Between the States was also .45-70. It had 3 shot pellets with a bullet on the end.

[@noahcount7132]

The duplex round featuring two stacked bullets is an interesting concept, but I agree with OG, that a .45-70 cartridge topped with a single bullet is the way to go. (Thanks for the scope plug, OG. 🤠)

[@OGsDangerShow]

Anytime Tony. Another viewers here in the comment section said he knew you. Said to say hi from the Toketee Kid.

[@adamak47miller90]

You guys have the best channel hands down. You are all down to earth and just plain awesome

[@taofledermaus]

That's makes me happy, Adam

[@donscheid97]

Based on another commenter, I think it would be interesting to load a hollow point behind the solid. Perhaps the "flatter", even nose of a hollow point does not push the leading round off center after leaving the barrel, even that nano-second affects them. But, as you say, go with a known performer, or use a shotgun.

[@littlebigheroman]

The results would surely be interesting, but I don't know how I feel about putting a void in between two squishy projectiles under high pressure.

[@drewcagno]

A bullet that blows up only the shooter and leaves the weapon unscathed has achieved boss level

[@Wat3va]

So good to see new content. I'm glad that you guys are still trying different rounds on different calibers. Would love to see if you guys can find different 9mm too.

[@OGsDangerShow]

We’ve got a wide variety of 9mm

[@R.Sole88109]

@@OGsDangerShow Have you got the Seismic 185gr 9mm in the mix too?.

[@Wat3va]

@@OGsDangerShow That would be fun..

[@Flarexxxx]

as an avaid 45-70 enjoyer -crys in getting weird rounds in canada-

[@R.U.serious]

This is a great video guys. The different rounds you test make this such an interesting channel to watch. I enjoy every video you make. Especially when you make Justin do acrobatics. Please carry on the good entertainment you provide.

[@WojciechP915]

"You're so drunk, you're probably seeing double." "I have two bullets...One for each of ya."

[@StrainXv]

The Military was also looking into loading dual projectiles to increase hit probability. Interesting to see how these performed.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

Yep, during the Salvo project. It's too bad there wasn't much that came out of that project. They tested triplex rounds too, along with multi-barreled guns that were more deadly than anything fielded even today but were completely impractical for use in combat...

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@TheExplosiveGuy InRange tested a few of those once. Didn't have many to test. Was a pair of 110gr bullets, which makes for a very heavy load in a 7.62nato.

[@saskafrass1985]

Turns out it was cheaper to teach fundamentals of rifle shooting instead.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@saskafrass1985 and then when they wanted to double probability of a hit over the M16 for the Advanced Combat Rifle, they discovered that better training would do that when no mechanical system could.

[@rubiconnn]

@@ScottKenny1978 It took them until the 90s to just stick magnified optics on most infantry rifles. I bet that did way more than any rifle improvements or training did.

[@HockeyVictory66]

Don’t ever get rid of officer Greg. He could be a stand up comedian.

[@jjohnston94]

I wonder what he does for a living now?

[@OGsDangerShow]

@@jjohnston94 uh.. still an active duty police officer here in Central Clownifornia.

[@OGsDangerShow]

Thanks, but tens of people would come to see my show and then I’d be banned.

[@jjohnston94]

@@OGsDangerShow whoosh

[@DenverLoveless]

I use two .490" round ball sized to .460". It produces a tiny little "skirt" of lead to trim off) & 55 grains 3F black powder works good for me. I use an OPC (over powder card) & a lubed felt wad in between the RB. As you noted, the front is getting smacked too hard from the git-go.

[@STRAKAZulu]

Love the brutal honesty about those scammers.

[@Leroys_Stuff]

All projectiles are interesting on this channel

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Leroy

[@christopherbishop4927]

Extremely cool 45-70 rounds, looking like personal protection option to me, shouldn't be any less devastating than 00 buck !??! 25 yards and In Thanks Taufledermaus

[@taofledermaus]

thanks Christopher

[@khester7397]

I recognize that bullet design. Accurate molds, big lube groove for black powder. Ive got the same one in .429 for my 44 mag.

[@philurbaniak1811]

Great to see these demonstrated and thanks again for clearing my hard drive 👍👍

[@taofledermaus]

Glad to help

[@braydenh190]

Ian is the gun expert. Jonathan is our game gun expert. Jeff is our ballistics expert, Scott is our lead sled, Brandon is our Russian informant, and Matt is the man with the golden gun.

[@rh5563]

Glad you guys mentioned the fake account stuff. Obviously some people fall for that or else they wouldn’t keep trying. 👍👍👍

[@taofledermaus]

YT told me they have a team trying to address it. Hopefully they'll do something

[@rh5563]

@@taofledermaus , I wouldn’t hold your breath, Jeff. Lol

[@HolyProfeta]

Maybe: back bullet expands hitting the first and engages the rifling better, + as the first bullet exits the barrel the second will push (first is slowing because it is already out of gas push) and the second may "kick" the first tail away of the center of the barrel, inducing the divergence. Maybe. Gratz Boys

[@darthhodges]

The US military experimented with .308 duplex rounds in the 50s and 60s. Although they did function as intended (two rounds per shot with at least some spread) they didn't achieve the goal of increasing the probability of a soldier to hit a target. Their loads had higher recoil than standard ammunition, enough to decrease the accuracy of most shooters to the point it canceled out the theoretical benefit of the two projectiles. Instead they found that switching to a smaller caliber (.223) and giving the soldier twice as much ammo for the same weight DID make a difference in hit probability.

[@Brian_Hoover]

Always unique and very entertaining! I always look forward to what you guys are up to.

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@Brian_Hoover]

@@taofledermaus I always do!

[@thomasfaucher2756]

Great video guys and what a cool round. I really like all the different ammo you test out. My theory on the trajectory difference between the 2 rounds is that the 1st round is being pushed off line by the 2nd round. And the 2nd round gets to clear the barrel last and without any manipulation. Again, really really cool video

[@Foremarkex]

Another one might be that the second round has slightly more energy, only getting wind resistance as the first round drops out of the way?

[@Foremarkex]

Similar to how some longer rounds can tumble in the air as the front end slows and loses energy compared to the back.

[@yougonnaeatthat9889]

Having experimented using BP guns and cast bullets in the past, I'd say your spot on with that assessment 👍

[@glenngriffon8032]

I know y'all usually do shotgun rounds but it is so refreshing to see some lever action rifles. My favorite action. Also those rounds are like something some executive would tout in a presentation meeting. "We added a second projectile to the round to give the consumer added value. That's 50% more bullet per round!"

[@machir5116]

As another commenter kind of pointed out, the reason I think the bullet behind flies faster and more accurately is that it's flying in a negative pressure cone, whereas the bullet in front is pushing all that air out of the way. So theoretically in a world with no gravity, the rear bullet will hug close to the front bullet the whole way. But since we have gravity it eventually falls out of the way of the faster moving bullet because it interacted with all that air friction and slowed down. Hope this makes sense, this was my hypothesis before I even started watching the video, I based it off the video of the guy who beats the record for fastest bicycle. He is riding his bike behind a barrier attached to a race car. That barrier is pushing the air away from him so he can ride in negative pressure with less friction.

[@ZMAN_420]

Jeff, O.G. I like it good stuff! 👍🏻🇺🇲

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks 👍

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

I wonder what would happen if the front round was cast to fit the nose of the rear round?

[@WhuDhat]

would that impede spreading?

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

Sounds like a new plan for 38 Special

[@kelevra558]

Shot a 45-70 for the first time on Thanksgiving. What a beast man. Knocked over my 110 lb steel target.

[@taofledermaus]

NICE

[@ianfinrir8724]

It'll rattle your teeth.

[@deweyharmon4666]

Another great video Jeff and OG, it's nice your changing it up some with different calibers.. Please keep'em coming 👍💥👍💥

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks 👍

[@davidrdanner4232]

Interesting setup for close range, but I would prefer a single projectile out of my 45-70!! Good video Jeff 👍

[@taofledermaus]

Lol yeah i think that's the same conclusion I have

[@ZeFroz3n0ne907]

Incredible results on the tests. May have to get a .45-70 so I can try some cool rounds.

[@medicbabe2ID]

Get one for the right reason, that you'll love it forever. I say that because you'll need to reeeally love it; garden variety Federal ammo is currently 79.99 for 20 rounds. For reference, Hornady .50BMG is 89.99. I've been reloading .45-70 since the 90s and everything is ridiculous right now. It's not much cheaper than factory. Brass is insane and we shall not discuss primers. I hope you do get one but just understand what you're in for 😄

[@ZeFroz3n0ne907]

@@medicbabe2ID I do get it, and my dad has the reloading dyes for his old .45-70 among other calibers. Including 12 guage and black powder. Appreciate ya!

[@matmorris5300]

You guys always make my day! Thanks for another great video!

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks for watching!

[@Not_A_Cat]

Interesting design. Only good for very short range. I love the mad-scientist projectiles you guys test. And OG's subtle humor is an added bonus.

[@Joedoeswhat]

That's hell of a lot closer together then I was expecting

[@isaacpittaway]

Very cool video! I thought the hollow points would have a wider variation but with the second test, I think it might've gotten pushed enough to really be an extreme deviation. The clear block almost looks like the rounds pancaked themselves on the steel too!

[@kennethcohagen3539]

Years ago I came across some duplex ammo. It had two lead balls in a 357 casing. It was developed for the NYC police department as a round that wouldn’t go thru a wall and into the apartment next door. It failed to do so. My local gun shop had a bunch of the they were selling dirt cheap, so I bought a box. I shot a few of them and the second ball hit the target above the first ball. I only shot a few of them, and kept them set aside until I took my brother to the range. I loaded my 357 with them and gave it to him. He took one shot, and asked why there were two holes in the target. I said, it must have bounced back at you. He dropped the gun and ran out of the shooting range. It was worth the money ,

[@Harley.Davidson]

🤣

[@jonwooddell3966]

Bought that very rifle for our times in bear country. I initially thought, "that round might be perfect for the black bears or grizz who won't be disuaded", but now I gotta wonder. Not really a fan of trying to get the bear within 25 yds to get both hits, but was great to see how it handled that seriously threatening ballistics gel block. Great job. Might still try to get some for the entertainment value.

[@gamerbg294]

call me crazy, but I already thought about the possibility of .410 bore ammunition (since they are the most common multi-projectile ammunition in handguns) with one or more hollow point projectiles, this feature would certainly add more to the revolver

[@eon2330]

You can magnify spread by making the front projectile more dense than the back projectile. Such as lead vs copper or steel. Having 2 bullets enter the same hole makes it completely pointless. Too much also makes it unusable.

[@mothership54stanton5]

Enjoying the soft jazz at 10 and 13 minutes…😊 Always entertaining

[@MinillaIF]

Love this channel. Loved it for years.

[@muffinxcancer]

excellent topic! i made one of these using 3 round balls and was wondering what was happening in between them and if it could damage my barrel. edit: to confirm, i tested them and they spread out perfectly over a silhouette target at 10 yards

[@bubbadoolittle2812]

Bullet hardness matters in this case as does velocity. With some experimentation this might be a really useful round.

[@therearenousesrnamesleft6843]

i know the military in the 50s or so was experimenting with rounds like that, the idea being two rounds in one shot would theoretically give you more chances to hit your target. cool to see it in action

[@GermanNightmare1976]

Sweet choice of musical theme setting you did there, brought back some great memories. "Where are you, sheriff?"

[@MrOlgrumpy]

Some time ago I made up duplex rounds using 458 round balls which impacted about 3" apart at 50 yds,interesting stuff,thanks for diversifying and sharing.🙃

[@hokehinson5987]

The double loads remind of the buck & ball rounds used by confederate army with the .69 cal Springfield smoothbore musket. Not documented but would imagine buck & ball would be used for sentry or picketing during low lite. Consisting of a paper cartridge with an large round ball and three .30 caliber balls resting on top. Stonewall Jackson was struck at least once by a .69 cal buck & ball.

[@chriscoleman2489]

Re-watching this. Vintage OG right from the top, great Jeff commentary. Come for the slugs, stay for the chat.

[@masteronone2079]

I'm not usually prone to synaesthesia, but the colour and texture of those bullets bought back the memory of a particularly nasty tasting capsule I was once prescribed . Every time I look at the thumbnail image I can smell and taste those things.

[@CodyHvids]

4570 has always been one of my favorite rounds this is an interesting take It does seem like it could be useful in closer ranges unlike some of these oddity bullets that don't seem like they're really worth it at any range I'd still prefer regular rounds well done

[@gerald8573]

I love Gregg's jokes so much! They really do brighten my day.

[@68fmj51]

Very cool. Makes me want a Marlin .45-70, although I have no real need for one. However that's never stopped me from buying a gun before.

[@deletdis6173]

When you're playing with Medicine Stick in Fallout New Vegas modded with Fallout 4 legendary weapons so now its a 2 Shot Medicine Stick.

[@Rincypoopoo]

As always a pleasure to watch gentlemen. I wonder what a little wad between the pointed bullets would do ? I guess that there is a nice air cushion between the hollow points. Be very interesting to have the front pointy and the rear a hollow point. If you cut and paste this into Bollock Book this time yesterday I will grow Antlers, and you two will win a BIG PRIZE...

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

Might work better. The lighter round would be in the front

[@troyjames827]

Wonder what would happen if you did a lead regular round and a hollow point rear bullet? Love the video and how thorough you are. Thanks for the video

[@Dari300ra]

would be neat to test that in both variations: Hollow in front and reg in back as well as Lead in Front hollow in back. Because the initial impact of the rear round hitting the front round may cause some variation to the shots.

[@longbow6416]

"Here at Aperture Science we fire the whole bullet! Case and all! Thats 60% more bullet!"

[@abx42]

I don't even remember how long I've been watching you guys for but I love the content people seriously still throw a gripe even though you make it very clear that there's a berm there. Some days I wonder about the collective intelligence known as people.

[@Flugpappret]

Have you ever thought of making a round made up out of, lets say three metal pieces, which are held together with plastic or wood? The slug would split at inpact but hold its shape until it hits.

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

You mean like RIP? Of course they aren't held together with wood/plastic, but they do what you're talking about. Honestly 12 ga RIP would be awesome to ef around with

[@andrewdescant]

He's drilled holes in buck shot and strung a thin wire through them to hold them together. It worked well from what I remember

[@WhuDhat]

I remember a round that did that as soon as it left the barrel but they were also held together with long strings intended to hit and wrap around and sink in to ensure a definitive first hit. I know they made em in 12ga and a pistol round probably .45 pretty sure they were featured here too

[@mikekokomomike]

Remington used to make a .357 magnum multi-ball R357MB. Two 000 buckshot stacked. Box said law enforcement only, 140 grain, multi strike and reduced recoil. I had some back in the 90s, they would spread out an inch or so in 10 yds

[@indianumberonecountry]

Im 22, watched you guys a lot from about 2013-2015ish. I got recommended this and clicked immediately. Im on a new account so the algorithm never showed me any of your vids. God bless you guys. PS Officer Greg is just as funny as ever haha.

[@taofledermaus]

thanks!

[@mysweetshadow747]

I was curious how they'd spread too! Hickok45 did a video recently about muzzleloaders/Flintlocks using multiple projectiles and had mentioned the one in the back tends to be more accurate. My assumption is that it's due to a more even spread on the base of the bullet from the propellant gases as they leave the crown of the barrel

[@theflyingfish66]

I think it might be similar to, when shooting buckshot or birdshot, the way the wad "pushes through" the cloud of shot after leaving the barrel, pushing the shot aside and increasing the spread (often leading to the so-called "doughnut of death" spread pattern). In this case, the rear bullet pushes the front bullet down the barrel, then once the front bullet leaves the barrel it "rolls off" the nose of the rear bullet that is still getting pushed along by the propellant, leading to an inaccurate first bullet. I believe this is why, in the US Army duplex and triplex .30-06 trials, the rear of each bullet was extremely concave, so that the bullet behind it would nest inside it like a stack of cups. The 2/3 bullets would stay clumped together until the last one left the barrel, at which point aerodynamic forces would pull them apart.

[@capeclint]

The front round experiences more air drag while creating a NASCAR like drafting effect for the second round at least early in flight.

[@Cammi_Rosalie]

We surely would never win shit from one of those subhuman telegram scumbags, That much is true. But every time TFM uploads another awesome video with Jeff, OG & Brianna and Danny watching over it all from that big gun-range in the sky, We are all winners! Keep on shootin' TFM crew!

[@taofledermaus]

thank you!

[@tropocal2343]

*WOW! so "exciting" the dummy got a stiffy. **3:00* *7:40** Pre-stained camo TP.* *10:48** [Kinetic Energy]; The rear bullet pushes on the front bullet exiting the muzzle, like a pit maneuver, causing it to veer off trajectory, and in this longer shot case; showing the reduced energy in the rear bullet from making that contact.* *BTW; Good shots OG.* *Cool video.....Thumbs up # 8.2K+1*

[@iammfkn5338]

I was just saying to myself, “Self, ammunition is expensive, but I wonder if there’s a way to make it more expensive.” Mission accomplished.

[@ProlificInvention]

Has anyone fired silver bullets?

[@OGsDangerShow]

We shot real silver and real gold slugs on this channel several years ago. Captured them both too!

[@sixtofive]

Very interesting! I wonder how it might have affected the results if you loaded the rear bullet backwards so their flat bases were against each other inside the case? I don't have a 45-70 so I might have to try some experiments with light bullets in 45 Colt.

[@taofledermaus]

I did see a video where that was done. It was hard to tell what was happening though.

[@username-tv6uw]

Surprisingly very consistent.

[@thetruthexperiment]

O man. That hard drive should be in a museum with a glass case over the platers. O well.

[@pewpew9193]

I wonder if this would work with .38 Special? It has a lot of case capacity it dosen't use.

[@fjb4932]

PewPew, Yes, double in .38 Spcl, triple in .357 Magnum. . . .

[@White000Crow]

I’ve done it with round ball. 2 in 38, 3 in 357.

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

@@White000Crow black powder ball?

[@White000Crow]

@@Nostradamus_Order33 cast 000 buckshot.