2023 Nissan Z vs. 2022 Subaru BRZ - POV Driving Impressions

2023 Nissan Z Specs:
-Engine: Twin-turbo V6, intercooled 24-valve w/ direct fuel injection, and aluminum block heads.
-400 hp @ 6400 rpm and 350 lb-ft of torque @ 1600 rpm
-6-speed manual or 9-speed automatic transmissions
-Fuel economy: 18 City / 24 Highway / 20 Combined MPG
-Curb weight: 3536 lbs
-Pricing (incl. $1,025 destination): Base: Sport $41,105, Performance: $51,105, Proto: $54,105
2022 Subaru BRZ Premium 6-Speed Manual
Color: World Rally Blue Pearl
MSRP: $27,995
MPG: 20 city / 27 highway
Horsepower: 228 hp @ 7,000 rpm
Engine: 2.4 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 2,815 lbs
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Dimensions: 168″ L x 70″ W x 52″ H
0:00 Walkaround
3:55 Nissan Z (Manual)
22:05 Subaru BRZ
31:37 Automatic Nissan Z
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[@sunnyvalentino]

I like the way a bunch of these cars are positioned. GR86/BRZ = Want raw and best handling? Z = Want power and GT comfort? Supra = Want a small very quick/easy to tune car w 50-50 wt balance? Golf R and Corolla GR = Need AWD, hatchback, grip for days and 4 doors? Mustang GT = Want V8 soundtrack and large cabin and trunk? N cars = Want amazing feedback FWD safe fun?

[@GT-RTData9]

Exactly, all great cars in their own right.

[@rocks4396]

I wish more people would have this mindset and appreciate all the options we have instead of hating one or the other.

[@GT-RTData9]

@@rocks4396 They focus on negatives instead instead of the positives, too much nitpicking.

[@sunnyvalentino]

@@rocks4396 I used to be those negative people 15 years ago. Back then, the S2000, NSX, RX8 and even before that the Supra (before Fast and Furious mainstreamed it) etc used to be sold. Those cars were nit picked to death by journalists and enthusiasts. Example - the S2000 was dangerous, no torque, snap oversteered. The NSX was boring and slow compared to supercars. The Supra was too big and heavy. The Evo was too cheap feeling. Most car people are impossible to please. Look back and everyone lusts after those cars. If you missed your chance then, ignore the haters and buy these before electric cars kill them.

[@WavyNavy1]

Dealerships = You want them at msrp? Too bad.

[@graumail]

“The Z is a little bit heavier” thats a bit of an understatement.

[@andrewrossnagel9433]

Roughly a pgymy hippopotamus

[@lordflacko3604]

Right, the new Z heavy as hell

[@Dragon228833]

A 750 pound understatement

[@milesfathi]

It's about a third of a miata heavier

[@cyberspectre8675]

"It's a little bit faster" is also an understatement

[@Briggsian]

In Canada, the base BRZ/GR86 can be had for about $32k. Z starts at just shy of $50k, and you have to spend $60K just to get an LSD. The price delta between the two is just two significant to really consider cross shopping the two.

[@dreamsteal4773]

Don't forget the insane markups the dealers are gonna put on them.

[@MyGoToUserName]

Yep basically double the price, especially when you consider OTD costs.

[@Jaylyons1]

It's the same here in the states. The Z was about $10k more since I purchased the BRZ Limited. I did get mine for MSRP though. Some folks don't seem to be so lucky or don't know how to talk to dealers.

[@doorey2]

Maybe not. Imagine your budget is arount 50K. Do you stretch for the 60K Z or do you save your money and settle for the BRZ. I think its an interesting comparison. More of a "is it worth the difference in price"

[@user-white007]

I’m a huge fan of the new z BUT I could never pay that much maybe I get a used one one day but for now I love my brz to death and it was “cheap” af

[@itzk4rm425]

Went to the dealership to put in a order for the 2023 BRZ but they ended up have an 22 in stock and got that instead. My day couldn't of had gotten any better than that.

[@finnster321]

congrats

[@timtran5451]

Damn I ordered a 2023 BRZ and they told me mine is first line in production and going to be the first in the country.

[@skimboards4life]

@@timtran5451 Unfortunately I'm pretty sure they told us all that

[@TrojanRabbit521]

Ordered mine last Dec it’s just now on it’s way to my state So congrats to finding one on the lot!

[@Kyle-ty6mx]

Both incredible cars! glad they both exist in 2022!!

[@infidel900rr]

Thanks for the oversteer!! Love watching your videos and you give us what we want. That Z is sharp looking - love the roof line! 👍

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Timestamp?

[@benedictl6716]

@@SilverScarletSpider 27:45

[@SilverScarletSpider]

@@benedictl6716 Thank you. I was hoping to see the Nissan Z oversteer 😂

[@sturat18]

I am really surprised I'm digging the Z as much as I am. Nissan is really getting controls and interior design in line. Power delivery looks straight up fun. 7:10

[@milesfathi]

Oooh I've been waiting for this. You never disappoint topher!

[@jeffkelly9197]

I would say the average customer that can afford both cars and only needs two seats will take the Nissan z. If you already have a powerful car I can see people buying the gr86 as a fun handling toy. I personally want a fast car when I buy a sports car not saying the gr86 isn't a great car, but I see alot of people hating on the z because they can't afford it and try to justify not having it.

[@dadhats]

eh depends on where you live and what roads are around you. if there's tight curvy roads I'd take the gr86

[@badboy-gn8fu]

well, it depends on what you want the car for. if you want a good drag racer and a good cruiser, go w/the Z. i heard the new Z isn't a good track car. imo the BRZ/86 isn't a comforable car for cruising and long distance driving. it's ok for short distance but after an hr it will hurt your back.

[@BlaziNTrades]

It seems like although both cars have changed, the comparison is still pretty well the same as it was before. The Z is bigger, heavier, faster and most people think it's at it's finest being driven 8/10ths. The Toyobaru is smaller, lighter, slower, and it's far more at home being driven at or near the limit. I had a 2015 FRS and loved it, so I know I would enjoy the new cars with slightly more power, but damn I would be hard pressed to pick between these two now.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

well it depends on what you want your car to do. if you want a good track car, go w/the BRZ/86. i read that the Z isn't a good car for the track. on the other hand, if you want a good drag racer and/or a good cruiser, go w/the Z. i have a FRS 2014 and i love everything about it, but the ONLY thing i complain about w/the car is that for me, it isn't a good long distance driver. after about an hr of driving to anther town, the FRS begins to hurt my back. i am a driver who do not race or go the track but i do love long distance cruising tho so im now thinking of upgrading to a Z.

[@zinhanwin6259]

@@badboy-gn8fu Well I suffer from lower back 🙃 strain. Yet I have driven the New BRZed for over an hour and didn't felt like it was putting any stress on my back for sure. It is even smoother over the bumps than GR 86. So do go and test drive one and go at less busier hours and ask for 1 hour time.

[@666sagaru666]

I love your videos .. keep making good content 👌

[@HankBaxter]

As much as I didn't want to say this, I'd take the BRZ any day over the Z.

[@silk2322]

Well if thats what you can afford, no problem at all.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

they are different cars for different people. personally i want them both lol

[@monzter6064]

I like that you touched many details about them both, appreciate that

[@mdftx1]

The blue on the interior is great looking, and overall it looks fantastic. Just a little disappointed it used a version of the vr engine, I was looking for a new powertrain for the likely last go at a sports car like this from Nissan.

[@richardledesma1675]

Such a great review it touches all aspects of the cars and highlights their benefits really well with such a calm, yet lighthearted manner ! You do awesome work man

[@riseabove3082]

Excellent video man. Love both vehicles.

[@mszsti]

Finally the video I wanted to see!!!!

[@NEprimo]

I cant believe i actually called where you were once I saw the michigan plates and that industrial park. It's so funny how people become so familiar with their surroundings they can guess the city a person is in just by a little industrial park. Actually I used to work out at the Barwis center back in 2009 so maybe something clicked in my brain. Anyways, go blue! and great videos, love the content

[@mrmackee123]

Been dreaming of this mashup for some time 😀

[@wg8290]

I'll take the BRZ all day over higher horsepower cars. Cars are overpowered for the road. I have a Mustang GT, stock, and really can't legally/safely enjoy it.

[@YT1300MF]

Exactly why I got rid of my 370Z. I could enjoy it for only a few seconds before breaking the limits by double digits. Then you’re left with its vaguer handling and feel. Hence, I have a BRZ on order.

[@kamikaziblack]

Sounds like both of you should be shopping for a prius then

[@KrikZ32]

the never ending hunt for speed is pretty stupid. If it's fun to drive who gives a shit, there's always someone out there faster than you and it's way more fun to carry speed through turns and stuff than it is to just launch over and over imo.

[@kernoodles]

Does the z sway you at all from the BRZ in terms of owning it ?

[@iberg3653]

Hi Topher. Do you winter drive your BRZ? Curious how it handles the winter conditions (with snow tires of course).

[@RaceCarFriends]

Aww man I wish you would have called Que to be in this video I think he would have loved this Nissan Z!

[@Standard_MT]

Solid comparison. I feel like people that can comfortably afford the Z aren’t going to even consider one of the 86 twins…. Unless, they plan on taking that extra $20K and throw a supercharger on it?? Daaayyuuummm… A blown 86 would definitely win the cool car competition

[@MKu64]

Actually I was considering both - then I drove the BRZ (in anticipation of the GR86) and was blown away at how good it was to drive and made my decision to get the GR instead of the Z. It helps that the Z is almost double the price in my country. 'Can I afford it' is very different to 'is it worth it'.

[@FATmenDRIVEtrucks]

@@MKu64 yeah it's double in the states too 28k vs 50k unless you want tiny brakes, wheels, tires, no lsd which is unacceptable

[@Standard_MT]

@@MKu64 Exactly 👍🏽

[@Tastypieinyourmouth]

I'd take the BRZ over the Z any day. I just like the looks of the BRZ more.

[@Standard_MT]

@@Tastypieinyourmouth Idk about that. I like a beefy stance on my sports cars. The 86 twins have pretty wimpy tires and need coilovers, rolled fenders or wide body kits to fit the same amount of rubber that the Z can. But I suppose the GR86 does have the best front bumper in the group.

[@bhearing7681]

Shopped MX5 RF, Brz and Civic Si. Choose the Brz pretty quickly. 2023 coming in August

[@SilverScarletSpider]

18:04 That’s how my friend always did it with his BRZ: daddy driving, mommy sits behind, and baby in child seat in the back too

[@Thrilla604]

quick question in person are the blue colors really similar ? or does the new seiran blue look much better

[@ChinmayH]

Would be awesome to see what changes you have done in your brz. Basic stuff like phone holder or side mirror mods etc. As I saw many users complaint there is no space to keep your phone and the side mirrors don’t have good visibility. Anything else you experienced and how you fixed it ?

[@lucasokeefe7935]

Most full size phones with an Otterbox case (or something similarly thicc) will fit *perfectly* propped up underneath the screen bezel.

[@sebastiandelacruz3849]

You give me massive anxieties going 80 on a ramp.

[@alexrain1188]

Excellent comparison. This is on everyone’s mind

[@milesfathi]

Your reviews of the car have been so much more positive than throttle house and the straight pipes. It's the first time I'm seeing such a range in opinions about a car.

[@emissarygw2264]

Ngl I was feeling sad about the Z after watching everyday driver comparison against gr86, but watching this vid and seeing the POV cut from the gr86 to the Z at the end, just felt like night and day that the Z is more what I'm interested in.

[@milesfathi]

@@emissarygw2264 I can't disagree. I've actually had a GR86 for about 10 months. I think in another year or so I'll try to get into a Z. The twins are a bit too cheap on the inside for me. Also despite the great handling, their engine seriously lacks character.

[@emissarygw2264]

@@milesfathi I was also sort of considering getting a gr86 and adding a turbo. But idk about that.

[@drewjozz]

Wait I've been watching your vids for a long time and just realized you take us-23 all the time which is how I've driven to work for years now. I feel so stupid for not noticing lol

[@coryglueckert1665]

the blue on blue is a good look for this car.

[@vette6600]

I like that both of these cars are comfortable from the factory. Most people are going to modify the suspension to taste anyways, so at least the baseline is soft and you can setup it to be as stiff/sharp as you want. (I anticipate a square tire setup to dial out under steer, plus some mild lowering springs, will be the sweet spot for the Z)

[@mikecurry6847]

I have a 2022 gr86 and honestly it rides like shit on the stock suspension. I'm not complaining though, I specifically bought it because it's so affordable so I assumed that there would be some things that I need to change

[@Jaylyons1]

Question for ya. Do you ever get a sound when downshifting in the BRZ that sounds like a can with some nails in it rattling around? Dealer tells me it's normal (lol). My first gen didn't do that at all.

[@armend316]

Earned a sub. +like! Thank you!

[@GeronimoBiggles]

how is the ride height and ease of getting in and out of the car in the Z compared to BRZ?

[@josephkorger]

Incase you see this, where have you found to be the best mounting spot for the sea sucker? I got one as well but due to the two bulges in the roof I haven’t nailed down the best spot yet.

[@dylansorenson2784]

Hey Topher! I loved the rev you did at 2:37 as it shows how quick throttle response might be. I know throttle response will vary under load and other circumstances, but that lag from the Z did not impress me to say the least. Do you have a similar clip with the BRZ? I'd be interested to see the throttle response difference especially being turbo vs NA.

[@MacroEnabled]

By throttle response, are you referring to throttle processing delay or the speed at which the engine gains revs?

[@dylansorenson2784]

@@MacroEnabled throttle response refers to how quickly the engine reacts to throttle input. at 2:37 you see topher stab the throttle and a disappointing amount of time passes before the engine reacts. that would be considered poor throttle response.

[@MacroEnabled]

@@dylansorenson2784 Yeah, most modern DBW cars are annoyingly slow to react. It's one of my biggest gripes with them. I have a 2015 FR-S and it's noticeable. Gut feel is like 250ms but I haven't measured it. Enough to make easing out of the gas precisely around a corner difficult. It's probably the same on the new gen. I rented a C7 Z06 which had like a whole second of throttle lag. Horrible.

[@oleyeller3256]

@@MacroEnabled buy the throttle controller and tune your throttle response

[@MacroEnabled]

@@oleyeller3256 Throttle controllers just affect the throttle map, not the processing delay. My car is already tuned with a custom throttle map.

[@gwot]

The Z has to be a LOT better than the 370z, if it's anywhere close to the 370Z, I'll take the BRZ thanks. I drove a new 370Z home from the dealer, it wasn't that good, short test drive with the 1st gen BRZ I fell in love, it drove amazing. The clutch pedal feel and engagement in the 370 was so bad I thought it was broken

[@Jayjewelerofficial]

I think I’m more of a brz type of guy , I just love revving it up all the way without going to jail😂

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I can’t wait for you to do a similar video on new Nissan Z vs BMW Z4 vs Toyota Supra.

[@gwot]

noone cares about the Z4

[@TheFunkytownGotcha]

that blue interior on the Z is sooo clean looking

[@povertyspec9651]

My 370 has HKS coilovers, 275 front and 295 rear tires, Whiteline sway bars, no understeer😃

[@HanabiiiUwU]

Imagine all that in the new Z. That would be ideal.

[@jagged_rocks8375]

This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for. Been contemplating getting one of these cars, just don’t know which one to choose.

[@se7enhaender]

I'd probably make the choice based on whether or not I need the practicality of the GR (4 seats = more space). If you really don't need 4 seats, get the Z.

[@idokwatcher2062]

The only real option is the Z, if you can afford it. Imagine buying 228bhp choked "sports" car in 2022 with all the modern advanced technology pushing 4 cylinders in AMG cars beyond 430bhp

[@se7enhaender]

@@idokwatcher2062 ... Bro those cars are up to three times the price of the GR86 (insane American dealer mark ups excluded).

[@idokwatcher2062]

@@se7enhaender Even 3 cylinder Toyota Yaris engine is being tuned by Japanese tuners to 315bhp and having a blast on the togue with them. GR86 is a scam, after 8 years of begging them for proper sports car power.

[@shinn43]

@@idokwatcher2062 GR Yaris is not even available to buy in NA. In countries you can buy them they're marked up as hell. GR Corolla is going to experience the same thing. Availability and pricing aside you're looking far too much in numbers. The GR86 is a fun car, GR Yaris is a rally car released to public for homologation purposes. GR Corolla seems like a national release of the GR Yaris but with daily driving/availability at the forefront. GR Yaris btw started at 30 000 gbp or around 37k USD. GR86 starts at 29k usd. Also power alone doesn't make what a sports car is, driving dynamics is what matters. With your standards MR2, S2K, MX5, and prelude aren't considered sports car and if you adjusted for inflation all those cars costed more MSRP than the gr86.

[@alamos8]

It happens the same in the new G80 BMW M3/M4 that have ditched the dual clutch sequential gerabox in favour of the ZF8 torque converter type: the reaction time of the paddles is awful, compared to a twin clutch. And I don't know why, as the gearchange itself is virtually as fast, or fast enough in both types (the time the engine is not pushing the car is negligible in both types of gearboxes), but on the ZF the time between you act on the paddle, and the car actually start doing it, is sooo high. And tbe same seems to happen on this Z. On a dual clutch, even an old DSG from 2009 like in my current car, you feel the car upshiting/downshifting in virtually real time as you act on tbe paddles, and this even on a simple VW. On a car like an F80 M3 with DKG, or a modern Porsche PDK... The car have done the change when your fingers still didn't have left the paddle. Not to mention of course Ferraris or Lamborghini Huracan. But even "more mundane" cars with DSG boxes like a Golf GTI Mk7/7.5/8, feels waaaay faster paddle reaction time

[@midnightquest9758]

I’m lucky to get my 2022 BRZ below sticker price by $1000 . I paid $30,460 for my BRZ limited. I love it

[@FATmenDRIVEtrucks]

You did good was this with 500 off loyalty thingy

[@midnightquest9758]

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks No . The saleswoman came back from the finance department and told me that she was going to give me $1000 off . I was completely ready to pay sticker price . I was happy , it was like adding another $1000 onto my down payment. It brought my monthly payment down from $500mo to $480. I only put $1700 down payment. I have a friend who bought a base model for the same price and he put 10k down and his payment was similar.

[@Barbwire710]

How?

[@midnightquest9758]

@@Barbwire710 I have 850 credit , that helps . I’m not sure why she gave me $1000 below sticker but I was appreciative. Especially knowing the demand is high for the car . I was ready to pay sticker price . She came back from the finance managers office and surprised me with the discount. I didn’t ask for it

[@joshuaa4225]

@@midnightquest9758 where?

[@Carlos.Rivera]

You will get header and tune?

[@erichenry1472]

Interesting I stumbled across this review. I test drove the new Z, was unimpressed. Currevt car is a 2003 BMW 540i Sport, after the test drive, I preferred my 20 year old BMW. 1.5 months later on a whim, test drove the BRZ - LOVED IT! Bought it 4 days later.

[@milliebays1801]

Hows the clutch uptake in Z? Short enough?

[@donewhiskey]

The driver’s ride height in the Z makes me think that they built it to appeal to people used to driving compact SUVs.

[@donewhiskey]

You said it at 6:20. It feels hefty, but you also said “the Z follows the philosophy it always had. It’s a little bit of a heftier, more powerful, gruffer car.” The 240, 260 and 280 Zs called and have some questions.

[@gapman1900]

That beginning intro, you sound so similar to tedward lol

[@anjru_]

After watching tons of videos on this new Z if I was in the market for a new car, I'd get one!

[@ej254]

I'm planning to buy a new 2 door coupe by Nov/Dec..... my list ended up with 2 cars .... 2023 BRZ or 2023 Zee I want the Zee but very anxious about only direct injection system (not like Direct/Port injection in the BRZ which is good for long run) 😄 I still have time to decide

[@TR4V1STY111]

@thetopher you are supposed to drop the BRZ hood from 12-18 inches to close it. according to the owners manual it says you can bend the latch mechanism if you push to close like that

[@chinchy111]

Dropping it probably hits the latch even harder

[@FATmenDRIVEtrucks]

It's aluminum unlike the Z so needs drop it that high to latch

[@rawrbrz]

the z looks so fun. i really want one

[@dannyphamous]

Happy for options and competition which means better, funner, and cheaper sports cars. The Z is pricey but is great. The BRZ is great but wish the rear seat legroom were larger and a T-top would do it for me. Keep supporting fun new cars by actually buying new fun cars. Still happy with my 2020 ND, 5.7s 0-60, 33 mix mpg, 38 hwy mpg, softtop, 2334lbs, and paid just MRSP out-the-door (includes tax and everything).

[@Barbwire710]

I have a deposit on a 2023 BRZ in Ignition Red, only thing that will get me to change my mind will be a manual GR Supra if good.

[@bhearing7681]

Can't beat the Brz price 👌

[@TerrannotOP]

the OG a90 is meant to be driven on ZF. Nissan had 3 years extra time to compete with BMW/Toyota and still lose

[@battlepug3122]

I prefer the look of the BRZ

[@Jugglenaught1980]

The blue seats and trim are amazing!!

[@rawrbrz]

16:40 Why does the Vacuum/Boost gauge on the dash move around so much when you're just cruising?

[@kuladeeluxe]

For the street, the BRZ brakes feel very good to me .

[@77magnuss]

It seems like the only thing old school on the Z is that it has a manual…electric steering, twin turbo, adaptive cruise, rev matching, it’s heavy…it’s a GT car now, original/old school one competed with the 911, light weight sports car…

[@markeywestskies6503]

In LA for daily driving I'd consider the 9 speed Z ...exhaust note alone is worth the trade-off for a 2nd tier manual. The more plush 2 tone interior and overall driving versatility is > than the tactility and nuance of the BRZ.

[@jamill79]

What happened to Nissan coming back with the 240Sx? I would appreciate a nice hatchback with at least a 2.0 liter inline turbo 4cyl with 260- 280hp...Nice daily driver

[@michaelrigby3064]

not the preview video almost making a perfect loop

[@fromisheon4867]

How did you get rid of the fake engine noise.

[@johnmckenna4256]

Topher, Why did you go whit the Subaru as opposed to the Toyota? if you don't mind

[@malcrew0980]

This new Z is a baller car! Love it.

[@cyphre]

I just love the looks of it all. But 3500 lbs!?! How does it keep getting heavier??

[@mikecurry6847]

I feel like the brz/86 competes with the miata more than anything. I have a 2022 gr86 right now and honestly really love it as a daily driver. I think my next car will be a Z. I'm waiting for the bottom to drop out of the auto market though. I have a decent car that I got at msrp so I'm not in any hurry. I wonder if there is a way to disable the automatic rev match on the Z. Rev matching every time I slow down is the best part about driving a car that sounds nice with a manual transmission

[@RaceCarFriends]

If you had to choose one car to keep indefinitely, which one would it be between these cars, The manual GR Supra, Manual MK8 Golf R, Manual Camaro SS 1LE, Manual Camaro ZL1, or a manual Nissan Z, which one would you keep out of all of them to be your daily driver?

[@Briggsian]

Given he replaced his last BRZ with this BRZ, I think we know the answer

[@RaceCarFriends]

@@Briggsian Nice!

[@TerrannotOP]

Supra will remain the king, ZF of course. Don't expect much from the manual

[@SaintMecha]

Both amazing. And we need more affordable ICE spot coupe now. (yo Hyundai, bro, where is the the new sub $40k Genesis Coupe ?)

[@papa_pt]

Camaro /Mustang seem to be the only choice

[@SaintMecha]

@Kerim Temel Saudia seem to have a deal with Biden (Biden will meet their princes)and Opec will increase the production, so It'll most likley go down.

[@trashbandit2449]

Isn't genesis their luxury brand now? They probably want to uphold that sort of image, I doubt they will put out a cheap sporty car. That being said,I have no idea, just my 2 cents

[@SaintMecha]

@@trashbandit2449 that why they should release it under Hyundai N brand. Call it Hyundai Tiburon/Coupe/GT N or whatever

[@trashbandit2449]

@@SaintMecha I think the GT/GT N would be super cool. They just have to make it better than the tiburon and make it rwd

[@golgoth7600]

Is 80 mph the normal cruising speed over there? Where I live it's usually 120 kph / 74 mph (tolerated). The red Z is my fav!

[@rand0m162]

75 is what some places are but if the flow of traffic is faster than 75 it is advised you go same speed as surrounding cars as it is safer if you get it. If the speed is 55mph and all the cars are going 70mph you can go with them and most authorities will let it pass as it is advised.

[@lukebarker8597]

Just ordered a 2023 BRZ, it’ll be here in November😫

[@joshuaa4225]

I don’t know how some people can wait so long. I’m getting my gr86 in about a month and I can’t wait any longer can’t imagine waiting 5 months

[@scottanthony3426]

Odds are slim that many will be cross shopping these two cars due to the 22K price gap (granted, upping to the BRZ limited gets you no drivetrain improvements, and would be closer in price to the base Z with 400 HP, but still likely a roughly 10K gap) but always nice to see more drive time on each. The real head to heads will come with the base Z vs the Supra 2.0 and this Z versus the Supra 3.0. In typical car maker fashion, Nissan hasn't apparently let the press have a base Z yet, much like Acura has only offered the new Integra in top trim A-Spec with Tech MT package. Will be curious to see if the lesser Z (at around 40 k allegedly) loses much handling/braking/amenity feel vs this 50K trim level. I think the LSD goes away on the cheaper one, but whether the person who doesn't track the car will notice is the real question. The base Z might be the bargain here for pure fun since it can be had with the MT. Looks like the initial MT on the Supra is going to be in the 3.0, and I've heard comments from other reviewers that the MT (as experienced in the Z4) is not top tier.

[@idokwatcher2062]

Nobody drove it yet, not before July

[@DragonKnightX12]

I feel like there's a good reason their not sending anyone the base model to test. I definitely think it's not gonna be a very hard bargain with being so void of features at $41K. Lots of cars including the Mustang in that price range that have more features.

[@hartsickdisciple]

I'll take the one with 400 horsepower and plenty of torques.

[@leslie7872]

the Z looks amazing

[@Thrilla604]

the auto sounds so much better in engagements

[@looper6120]

that 400z yellow or green one? That one is a damn good looking car.

[@scavenger117]

New Z is about same weight as my car with almost double the HP 😩 sounds great to me

[@benit0yo]

good ol michigan roads. drive that area daily.

[@MaoMiMeowMe]

Maybe it's just me, or could just be the sound quality on the video which seemed pretty good, but I'm kind of disappointed with how little engine/ turbo sound makes it through to the cabin. Don't get me wrong I don't want fake sound pumped in but considering where the z came from I'd hoped for a little more.

[@richardledesma1675]

The Z actually sounds really freaking good, I always listen to his videos with AirPods before going to sleep to be able to hear it well and you can hear a good amount of induction and exhaust noise. Give that a try man and keep in mind the z is stock. You can do some basic mods that will still be carb legal like A k&N performance drop in filter, and a custom catback and that thing will make all the right noises!

[@MaoMiMeowMe]

@@richardledesma1675 you know what. Your right! I didn't have headphones in

[@hyogomarume8345]

Money no option which would you choose? Currently driving 17 BRZ and seriously want to know if I’m actually gonna enjoy a 3500lb extra heavy sports car… guess I need to test drive myself first…

[@gettcouped]

If You are going for an Auto how about a comparison between the Z auto and the Supra auto. IIRC the Supra has a ZF8. What does the Z have and how do they compare?

[@bobby__custer]

I got an auto ‘23 BRZ about a year ago as my daily, now I really want a manual. 😂 I’m between the BRZ tS or a Z and I really don’t know which one to go for. I love the BRZ but I have a 944 that feels like an older version of it so maybe I should go with the Z to get some variety.

[@shaggyman8564]

For an extra 22 grand, you get to 60 about a second quicker. And ins premiums are 40 % more.

[@emansfield2017]

Not a second quicker more like 2.5-3 seconds. Plus it's not about 0-60 it's how the car accelerates out of turns while keeping solid grip. The gr86 is a cool sporty car glad it's manaul but the boxer engine is just not on the level of the vr30.

[@shaggyman8564]

@@emansfield2017 C and D had the brz at 5.5 sec. Other pubs had it at 6 sec The z is not 2.5 to 3 sec quicker. The brz has the lowest center of gravity of any vehicle therefore it handles better than the z. For the price of a z i can buy 2 brzs and still have change. The brz is the bargain of 2022. The z is overpriced and overhyped. It's a nissan. Btw don't porsches have boxer engines

[@emansfield2017]

@@shaggyman8564 looked at past gen my bad but 3.9 seconds compared to 5.5.

[@emansfield2017]

@@shaggyman8564 bro your realize that dealers are marking up brzs/gr86s as well right? Don't get me wrong I love light great handling cars I have a s2000 but the Z is just the better car and it's in a price category just above gr86s that's just how it is. mk5 and new Z will always be the better car to get than the gr86 if money isn't an issue. Not much tuning capability with those boxers unless you want them to explode. Do I think a gr86 is worth it? Yes of course, for a sporty car.

[@shaggyman8564]

@@emansfield2017 there is no markup on brz. I bought mine 6 mos ago wo mu. I had a s2000 too and the brz is like it in many ways. Though way.better I also own a 333hp 02 m3 and i like the brz much better.and you can't break lose the rears on the z.

[@JR-uc7hs]

unpopular opinion the blue interior is immaculate.

[@Qubnomil]

Is that a hesalite speedy?

[@VirtualGuth]

Both of these seem like great options in this day and age though I do miss screen-free interiors with analog gauges. The Z looks nice, but comes across as porky when compared with the BRZ. As with any 2-door coupe, the Z was always awkward as a 2+2. With that in mind, I'd love to see what Subaru/Toyota could do with the BRZ/86 design as a pure 2-seater. It would no doubt look better. Though you would lose some of the practical nature of the car, sports cars have never really been about practicality.

[@HanabiiiUwU]

The Z is more of a GT car than the BRZ, for sure.

[@aaromon43]

also not a fan of digital gauges in modern cars. they can be hard to see during the day and obnoxious at night.

[@VirtualGuth]

@@HanabiiiUwU Neither one of them strikes me as a straight up sports car, except for by today's standards where the offerings are so limited. Both of these cars are pretty comfy compared to something like a Lotus Elise for example. Plus with the BRZ you get the back seats.

[@VirtualGuth]

@@aaromon43 They're also one of those things that never age well. How many people out there are still using a tablet or smartphone that is more than 10 years old? The interiors of these cars are going to look pretty dated in another decade or so. It would be cool if their respective manufacturers offered an "analog package" that did away with these things, but the market for such an option would be very small. I can't exactly blame the new car consumers as they are really only worried about these cars as it applies to their ownership, which when it comes to cars is somewhere less than a decade on average.

[@zuhayrali4202]

The TLX Type-S has analog gauges, has some screens but that’s unavoidable nowadays.

[@thethreatwrestling.7053]

Can the Elantra N compete with the 400z ? I drove the N a few weeks ago and honestly, It does feel very fast. The Horsepower is 276hp plus the 20 seconds of extra boost to get 286hp and nearly 300 pounds feet of torque. In my opinion it would interesting to check.

[@HanabiiiUwU]

They're so different in purposes and drive style, it's hard to compare.

[@HanabiiiUwU]

They're so different in purposes and drive style, it's hard to compare.

[@letdothisman1139]

Nline 😆 really one hit wonder

[@jeffkelly9197]

Not even in the same class... Elantra n probably feels like an economy car after driving the z.

[@KrikZ32]

does the 276hp fwd hyundai compete with a 400hp rwd Z car? no, it isn't supposed to and it doesn't.

[@JustRitschie]

I like the virtual cockpit and interior design of the Z more. Sound of Z is a bit sad :( But i like also the BRZ. Also because he is much cheaper and the 235 PS are enough for a sporty daily.

[@davidrubin2612]

the nissan Z is so damn cool with a manual. Brz is a lot more appealing to me though.

[@markeywestskies6503]

The BRZ is very nice and cost effective ...ratio of $ to 😃 is excellent; I just wish the rear taillights didn't appear they were swiped from a 2 generations ago Civic.

[@driftracerr34]

Good thing that nobody will ever see a BRZ's taillights

[@FeefTheSloth]

in the old brz, i found my knee really close or even touching the wheel at 6ft tall. Wheel was all the way up, seat down and back. Does that still happen?

[@maximlg253]

I'm 6'3" (with 34" inseam) and new BRZ seats me very comfortable

[@stms4411]

Imagine this Z at 2900lbs with - say - 300hp & torque out of a smaller 6. Shrink the dimensions and strip out the noise insulation and some of the comforts. I’d buy that car

[@edagener883]

People in the comments who actually knows their fare share of engines, why do so many people say the Z’s engine is bad/terrible? I made a comment on a few videos about the Z, and how I’m picking between that and the Supra as a future purchase and all the outrages negative comments are all about the Z’s engine. And like all keyboard warriors they don’t give me a reason why it’s bad. So please someone do tell me the ups and downs of the Z’s engine.

[@crongo4284]

Im not sure why people said that, but I do know that the new Z shares the same engine as the Q50 Red Sport, if that helps.

[@greyzetsu3050]

As a 370Z owner my only criticism of the Z is that the engine sounds soft and quiet to my ears, compared to the Supra and 370Z it doesn't have that deep raspy growl that gives you tingles every time you start it...or when one passes you by. Otherwise yeesh, Nissan makes amazing engines. The Supra seems to be a tick above the Z, i could be wrong.

[@Barbwire710]

The Z’s motor is open deck vs closed deck on the Supra. It’s more likely to pop after mods. Nissan has supposedly fixed the issues with the Q60 motor but a lot of those had issues with the turbos going bad prematurely, etc.

[@Barbwire710]

But also look at the drag race between the Nissan, Mustang, Supra..

[@emansfield2017]

@@Barbwire710 drag races don't really matter with those kinds cars except the mustang. Also bmw pops are overrated.

[@Not.Ferrnnzz]

They should’ve definitely put the speedometer in the center of the tachometer. Why the big Z logo and the speedo at the top corner..

[@adhizzle9985]

The GR Corolla's infotainment setup pales in comparison to these two, it's placed so damn high up. It doesn't make any sense to me, why block the windshield? You also have to raise your arm higher. That alone heavily sways me in the direction of these two vehicles for my new car. What a blunder.

[@MrCombatboots9]

weird question, but have you gotten a ticket or been in an accident while trying to film one of these videos?