2025 Lexus LS 500 ANNOUNCED // Is Lexus Neglecting their SEDANS?

[@pasitjaru9183]

I freaking hate this Crossover craze. It kills all of the sedans.

[@67tomcat]

100%! Hopefully people will go return to some sedans since they're more efficient and fun to drive.

[@darknessislight3689]

Preach 🙌🏾 1000% I agree with you

[@Brian-og4uu]

I feel it, crossovers have proven to be the swiss army knife of vehicles, and most people like the higher seating position, larger/taller cargo space, and some ground clearance for snow or dirt roads. Now they commonly have hybrids that get 30+ mpg. It's hard for the sedan to compete in the family car segment anymore. I'm saying this as someone that's having kids soon and want to sell my access cab Tacoma for something like the IS500 BUT only if it still has the v8 to feed the small bit of car ego I still have in my 30's. My wife will keep having a bigger crossover for family hauling and snow driving on vacations to the mountains.

[@Jay-dp5wp]

Gotta go buy some shit

[@darknessislight3689]

@ I’ve only bought sedans and coupes 😉

[@Toyota4Life]

Killing the LS is just a crazy as them killing the GS. These cars don’t need to be killed just reimagined

[@jerellebullock8792]

Facts

[@faheemabbas3965]

They have to go all out with the LS if the next generation ever arrives.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

The new LS is coming in 2026. There’s no cancellation plans for the LS.

[@MA001]

Probably a bad idea, or maybe they are strategizing for a future comeback when the market is more accepting. I think without an LS, and possibly the LX, it will cease to be a luxury brand for the opulent as the other cars in the lineup won't be as big (space wise and road presence).

[@InexplicableBill]

I don't know what I'm going to do when I tire of my 2015 GS 350 F-Sport AWD.... It's a great car and I was really hoping they'd create a new generation. I blame all this swoopy spaceship "elegant" design language on the brand's decline. It's just not my thing, and it seems many agree with me. I prefer the more butch look of my GS to any current Lexus product. I literally chose a 2015 model over the refreshed design of the 2016 model with all it's safety and tech updates because I can't stand the aggressively straked and feminized spindle grilles.

[@bjsimon802]

I wish people would buy more sedans, the ES was incredible, I can't imagine what LS would be like. Lexus drives so smooth and very safe as well.

[@Venomoustoxins2122]

I hate the es it wat made the gs under appreciated

[@bjsimon802]

@@Venomoustoxins2122 ya the es was top seller that killed the GS

[@Venomoustoxins2122]

@ but es is overrated

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

​​@@Venomoustoxins2122it's actually not. If you've owned one you'd understand. Its the same reason camry does so well. It just does what is supposed to do very well affordably. The es IS luxury to the average buyer they just don't need the LS.. especially if they test drive the es first. Honestly only a very discerning buyer would know the difference and at that point they probably would forego Lexus altogether. Cuz the LS has now fallen behind the other ultra lux barges.

[@andrewgus8763]

The ES is still incredible, very reliable V6 powertrain, affordable, 302hp, quiet interior, and drives very smooth.

[@dragonnuma9965]

Man all i wanted was an LS when i got older as a kid. And a coupe for the weekends now it looks like i wont be able to get either brand new anyway. Damn crossovers.

[@Pilar-ek8nx]

I know its not Lexus to do this but would be nice if they had an option to include the 5.0L V8 that its in the LC 500 and still have a lower eng option for the TT 3.5 v6 and maybe still offer the hybrid version and have 3 eng options. OR kill the 3.5 non hybrid and only offer a 5.0L V8 & a the hybrid. The tt v6 is smooth and does the job but the feel isnt there. Like you said, we're talking about an LS, those who buy these cars may have in mind the price but its on not on the top if their priority cause it will still be cheaper than a 7 series, S class & A8. so Offer a NA 5.0 V8, price it accordingly but spare no expense on the flagship. LS used to be my favorite Lexus. I had 3 ('00 LS400, 07 Ls460 & 15 LS460).

[@wadehiggins1114]

I said the same thing.

[@Venomoustoxins2122]

Or put back thier v8 hybrid or mild hybrid

[@Pilar-ek8nx]

​@Venomoustoxins2122 I like that idea too. That v8 hybrid is legendary. People arw still dropping 20k for 09 ls600h's. Good call my friend.

[@67tomcat]

The LS should remain, I believe many would want if it went back to a more conservative design. LS should be a V-8 too, Hybrid too?

[@lamontjohnson5810]

I don't know. The last gen LS was certainly conservative in its design but that one didn't really sell well either. I think the problem is twofold. First, sedans across the board just don't appeal to consumers anymore. And this decline has been going on since the previous gen LS. Plus, within this segment, the Germans have caught up, and in some ways, like with tech, have surpassed the LS. Seems that with each new generation, the LS loses more and more of its identity and what made it special when it first debuted.

[@faheemabbas3965]

They should import the Century sedan and sell it here as the LS

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Century is too big. Besides a new LS is coming in 2026. What’s with everyone RIP-ing the LS when no cancellation plans were announced.

[@worldofai-games1036]

Century and LS are different beasts. Century is hand made, LS is not. Toyota won’t dilute the Century name

[@nullravager]

If all their sedans haven't had something significant for the last 5 years, then they better be planning something huge. I expect an all new ES in 2027.

[@pkagent14]

Yeah it’s an EV sedan 😅

[@aross924]

@@nullravager I don’t see the need to upgrade from my Es350. That the problem with this car.

[@67tomcat]

MY 2026 ES is a refresh like the Camry.

[@lamontjohnson5810]

Aside from an all electric version, a totally new ES (regular version) is unlikely considering they are refreshing it in 2026. Doubt they'd do a refresh just for a year and then put out an all-new regular version in 2027. Lexus doesn't seem all that interested in investing money into its sedans at the moment.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, The next time you are in Japan, you can do a direct comparison between the LS and the real Crown sedan.

[@nullravager]

@@rightlanehog3151 The weird blob thing called the crown here in saudi arabia is so ass why not just bring the sedan

[@tinhinnh]

@@nullravagerbc americans are crazy for crossovers

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@nullravager We have the Crown Blob and the beautiful Crown Signia. Do you have the Signia over there?

[@nullravager]

@rightlanehog3151 We don't, tbh we don't even have the grand highlander, prius, not a single toyota ev... toyota mena really is trash here and is milking customers

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@nullravager Can you buy the SWB Land Cruiser 70 Series with a manual transmission and 1GR-FE 4.0 V6? How about a Prado with the 1TR-FE?

[@aross924]

My wife and I were at the lexus dealer one day. Yes the LS is nicer inside. She came over to the Ls where I was with sales guy and said “ hoo its the same car we have now!” We own a es350. So I turn to the sales guy and told him “ you see that is the problem!”

[@KirkKreifels]

ahahah

[@faheemabbas3965]

Way too similar to the ES while costing so much more than it. That’s what is killing the LS.

[@user-ok1pi7sz9w]

Not the same pal. Real wheel drive. 😎

[@mob4ever]

It's not the same at all. Not even close. By that logic the E class is same as S class

[@lexuslfa4739]

@@mob4everthe e class is more similar to the s class than the es to the LS

[@akandoldbcornothing1007]

I love my '23 IS 350 F Sport...most reliable car I ever had. I always loved the LS but the old ones with the V8, big mistake making it a V6. If they can put a V8 in a IS 500, why not the flagship car? I question a lot of decisions they make.

[@1bigboy500]

Bingo

[@charley95sheridan44]

IS is such a sharp looking car.

[@smooth37]

All the LS needed is a 360° camera. Last year's update filled in the other holes.

[@IsaiahLexus]

The Lexus Ls has a 360 camera

[@smooth37]

@IsaiahLexus Under Safety features on the Lexus site. The LS500 has a backup camera. Is it available on a trim level higher than F Sport?

[@philhenderson3516]

@@IsaiahLexus Not all of them, only the top trims come with the 360 camera, same with the heads up display and air suspension.

[@seikocitizenwatches]

If I were Chief engineer at Lexus I would give the LS the magnificent 4.8L V10 base and twin turbo as option.

[@pps9896]

the new RX and LBX grilles are just hideous. but lexus has just perfected the spindle grille design on the NX!

[@randy74989]

I love my 2023 Lexus ES300h Ultra Luxury model. She is the finest vehicle I have ever owned and I have owned many vehicles since the 1960s.

[@charley95sheridan44]

Same here since the 70's and driving GM all my life since buying 2 Lexus's 10 years back. best cars I've ever owned.

[@papayaman123]

I see the LS on the road sometimes, it looks so boss! Great road presence.

[@michaellui74]

Great video Kirk👍👍shame Ls won’t last forever. First Lexus that started the champagne 🍾 glasses commercial 😢

[@kwadwothestan]

The updated ES looks really nice but I feel like they need to do a complete redesign. It’s had this type of styling for a while

[@remyasmar418]

The legendary LS to go out this way is very disappointing for as a kid I still remember my father's LS and how much my father loved it; he would be so disappointed to see what happened to his beloved LS!!

[@dumbdee4]

Love your videos, keep it up :)

[@davedave4232]

I have a 2005 LS430... V8!!! Black on Black ... Yakuza Style!! 😅 250k miles.... I won't sell it unless I get a good offer... how much would you pay? 😮

[@mrgurulittle7000]

250k miles? No more than 3 grand from me.😅

[@davedave4232]

@mrgurulittle7000 nah... good luck finding one black on black

[@mrgurulittle7000]

⁠​⁠@@davedave4232True that the color scheme is rare. I lowballed you but I’m sure some Lexus fan would pay maybe upwards of 10k for it.🤞Try Ebay.

[@user-ok1pi7sz9w]

Bought my ls 500 2018 model 2 years ago with only 6k on it. Now have 16k. Happy with the car. I love my ls. Just wish it had the 20inch. Wheels. Considering getting some aftermarket 20s. 😎

[@albertlum8928]

In the line-up of up and coming cars. They didn’t show the new gx, but it does show the other suvs.

[@richardjohnson3903]

I had an Ls600h (2008)for 12 years. The best car I have ever had, out of 30 plus. Amazing quality, power, comfort, reliability. Some claim it is one of the best cars ever made. Now have Ls500h 2019. Yes, more modern etc. but I am still mourning my V8, the comfort , quality and luxury of my previous model, many details . The new one is just not the same. They have only sold around 130 annually in all of Europe in the last years, and yes, they cost 130,000 euros new unlike the US price , but I agree this model is on its way out.

[@SuperSaqer]

A big difference is we've known about the GS cancellation years in advance. Also that ES is a ChDM model. It will be re-designed next year. The Century won't be branded a Lexus globally. It will be branded a Century with Century badges and will sit above Lexus.

[@user-butchcassidy]

For those saying, Oh man…. It’s a carry over. Keep in mind. In 1989, the style went from 89-2000 LS400 From 2000-2004 LS430 From 2007-2017 LS460 So it could take up 10 years for a real refresh for the 500 LS500 from 2018-Present So if nothing changes in another 3-4 years. Then maybe it’s the end game. But look at the stats it usually 10 years before a change of the LS.

[@cultofmodernism8477]

The LS has massive road presence

[@christianschutte3728]

Over here in Germany the es is only sold as 300h. It is a 4 cylinder hybrid.

[@KirkKreifels]

sad, the V6 is really good.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Lexus isn’t neglecting their sedans. I got some insider info from Aisin and apparently they had a brand new Lexus LS designed but they scrapped the concept and their starting from the ground up. I heard that they want to make the LS a showcase for the latest technology from Toyota/Lexus with AI, automated driving, and other technologies. But rest assured an all new LS is definitely on the way. It would be out or at least revealed by 2026.👍

[@1bigboy500]

Curious you know this and Kirk doesn't who has all the back room info all the time...need to see a credible leak before I buy your statement...

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@1bigboy500It’s from my uncle who works at the upper management level at Aisin. We talked about it almost a week ago and he can confirm that so far the next gen LS is in the planning stages and to be out by 2026. I can’t prove to you 100% credibility but I’m sharing what I know and I believe it’s true.

[@Coupe-sy9nk]

​@mrgurulittle7000 Good info, but if it was coming out or being introduced by 2026 they have testing prototypes out doing real world testing by now. Again not saying your not credible, but one of these automotive or car enthusiasts sites would've caught glimpses of the test mule by now.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

⁠​⁠@@Coupe-sy9nkIt was advancing but at the last minute Toyota cancelled it and started all over. 2026 could be when the concept would be revealed before the production model, but either way, that’s the deadline for the new LS. So there’s no prototype to spy for yet. And I wonder about these automotive magazines because they jump to conclusions sometimes. Like a lot of stuff they say about Mitsubishi Motor’s future products are way off.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@Coupe-sy9nkAnyway, this is second hand information from somebody I trust but take it with a grain of salt. All I know is 2026 is the deadline, the new LS is projected to have AI tech and self driving tech. I don’t even know if it’s hybrid or what.😂

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

I'm an fairness everybody is neglecting their sedans. You can even get a century suv now and I'm almost certain it's going to outsell the sedan which means.. next time we might not even have a sedan century. That's how it goes i guess

[@NotNowCato1254]

Hey Kirk, why does ES300h concern you? Perhaps China has similar restrictions/disincentives to Europe? 300h models are huge over here, and we dont get the 350. I'd imagine the US market hybrid option will be 350h. And yes, that rear badge definitely says 300h...

[@myqaveli]

they should bring back the IS sportcross maybe an ISF version of it 👀🤔

[@masoodrazaq]

My daily driver until recently has been a 2008 LS460 with NAV8, which I have been driving since new. It’s been pretty good, but not perfect. Hoping Lexus gets back their sedan mojo. They are behind on infotainment and software. My dream car would be a sleek, stately Lexus sedan with advanced tech, stereo, comfort quietness and powerful EV drivetrain. Today, my favorite flagship sedan - even compared to Germans - is the Genesis G90

[@TylerPoppe]

I was hoping were were going to get a new ES with the new camry tech while getting an RX beak. Thought it would have been really cool looking.

[@Abdallah-nu7cx]

it will be the same generation for 2025?

[@AltimaV6SportsCar]

At the end of they day, they are just people who make money, NOT cars... 😔

[@andyleo8418]

The LS will disappear like a fart in the wind. Some people might notice, but most will act like it didn't happen.

[@aross924]

They are “ cheap “ on the used market. I have the es350. I don’t see the need to “ upgrade “. The 350 is the best car I have ever owned

[@mob4ever]

You haven't driven an LS to say that

[@von98i]

Leuxus & Century should’ve been on Mercedes & Maybach level atp

[@chickenfeetthunder]

Maybe a way for sedans to survive is to evolve. Why can't we have more liftbacks?

[@mikeh8685]

will you be making a video on 2025 Nissan Fairlady Z updates?

[@charley95sheridan44]

Shame the sedans are dying. Driving GS is much more appealing than my RX. I don't like the top heaviness of SUV's vs sedans when cornering.

[@voidstat_]

Im just hoping for a IS hybrid before they end the IS line.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

IS line isn’t gonna end. That’s Lexus’s bread and butter sedan. They’ll definitely make a new one.

[@dal0022]

I am hoping to get rid of this 24 tlx type s soon as the 26 es 350 comes out can't come quick enough

[@HiralPatel007]

Yes killing sedans, but market demands control that

[@chrissetina1107]

I expect most of these revisions from Lexus and other Japanese makers to be delayed or minimalized, as automakers in general try to figure out the impacts to their business from the election and this week's response from the bond market. Chances are likely that Japan will continue its push for domestic market redesigns, but we'll get refresh until they cancel it.

[@67keyakaren68]

Real neglect is Acura couldn’t make a LS competitor in all its history. They would stretch a civic lol

[@Liam-gu2kw]

I hope Nissan can take some notes and focus on sedans more than others are.

[@andyleo8418]

Their sedans are selling worse than Toyota's. It'll be the final nail in their coffin if they go that path. Keep your dayjob 😂

[@1bigboy500]

They don't have the development dollars for newer crossovers, hybrids, or EV's so ditto on sedans....Nissan now is what you see is what you get...

[@B0dyBoss]

how is the new ls slower than the 2007 v8 ls ? also why why didnt they change the battery location for the hybrid model yet? the trunk has the same size as a smart car trunk because of the battery

[@hongsitu3429]

Lexus might want to rethink moving production back to Japan with Tariffman in the house now.

[@TheE571]

Seems they want to do everything except update sedan interiors. Even with the rumored IS..they don't need to mess with the exterior just modernize the interior and keep the exterior as is. Those new ES headlights are hideous.

[@stephenwierzbicki4463]

Kirk, the ES300 Grillwork in the MIDDLE looks like 1 Solid piece, Sort of like an EV😮?? Is this True?

[@planbparadise2046]

That B&W picture of the ES looks exactly like the current ES model - just saying...

[@AdrianDmax]

I think Lexus ES needs a F performance edition

[@dsdddsd4543we]

What is Lexus flagship? It seems like it is the RX. With how competitive that space is, the LS needs all the bells and whistles to sell. They are competing with the S Class, 7 Series, and A8. The LS is the best for reliability, but the owners of these vehicles only hold on to them for three years.

[@chibbyylol]

Anything designated L is flagship LS flagship sedan, LX flagship suv, LC flagship coupe, LM flagship ‘mover’ which is just van

[@1bigboy500]

I’ve been die hard Lexus fan for 30 years and made the hard decision to switch to Mercedes. My last Lexus was a GS F Sport (RIP) and was not downgrading to the ES (FWD, no AWD option with the V6). The entire brand offers nothing better or exciting coming up in the future. It’s like Toyota corporate wants to spend as less as possible to keep the brand going at this point especially the same Toyota 4 banger hybrids only unless it’s the LX. Starting to look like how GM treats Cadillac…

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

New ES miles better than the old GS . Yes its not RWD or sporty . But its a excellent luxury sedan focused on comfort luxury tech and more. New hybrid I4 is very refined and in Lexus form its truly going to be fantastic. Importantly people who buy the es doesn't care about power and performance so the v6 is not needed. Importantly if they really want to put more power. Then hybrid turbo I4 from the rx500h is available. Lexus has a upcoming LFR a 911 rival and a LC500/RC replacing coupe as well. In a time when many brands are not making coupes . Not exciting yay right.

[@1bigboy500]

​@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl ES and GS spoke to different buyers. The GS was never updated after it debuted in 2013, ES had a new platform in 2018 so its not good comparison. In addition, the 4 banger and I-6 powertrains from Mercedes (and BMW) are way more advanced, powerful with above average fuel economy and smoother than what Lexus offers (co-developing powertrains with Toyota across the board was never a good idea, 4 bangers are not smooth when pressed). As for a 911 rival, I'll believe it when I see it. Lexus has promised high performance models (RC-F not in the same league) and the only one that made it to production was the LF-A (RIP) in 2012.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​@@1bigboy500 GS was not updated anymore because there was no business case or actual demand. While the es does. Even now genesis g80 only sold 312 cars in segment with e class or 5 series. In July they only sold 274 cars. they are new as a brand so they might keep sedan line up for few More years. But in the end those sedans are going to die. Lexus/Toyota I4 hybrid and turbo I4 hybrid are excellent engines . importantly very smooth. Good as any Mercedes or bmw. 4 bangers in this day and age are bloody smooth. I know someone like you will never accept that and thats ok. 911 rival is coming and LFA replacement as well.

[@1bigboy500]

@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl ok…agree to disagree…seems you don’t like sedans so that’s your lane BUT there is a market otherwise the German and Korean brands wouldn’t be making them.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​@@1bigboy500 Selling 312 or 274 cars shows there is no demand for a Asian RWD luxury sedans anymore . So Lexus very much made the right call. Instead focusing on the ES which is a excellent luxury comfort refinement quality and tech focused sedan. Man stop talking people hate something just because they some obvious like what I said. Its just saying the obvious and Truth. Say whatever makes you feel sleep better.

[@richaquila2655]

Just like killing the Hybrid Avalon !!! I would like to buy another mid size luxury sedan and the es looks boring Besides between last year models and this years on the rx models is 4 grand higher ! It's getting ridiculous They need to redesign the es 350h to be like the Avalon with a modern flare, sharper. Appeal to the 40-50 year old not 60-70 year old.

[@seikocitizenwatches]

If I were Chief engineer at Lexus I would give the LS the magnificent 4.8L V10 base and twin turbo as option. Base LS would have the 5.0L V8.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

Put a v10/V8/v16 or even god in the engine bay. There is no massive demand for Asian flagship luxury sedans..

[@awepossum1059]

then you would get fined millions in emissions and sell these cars at losses

[@RSwrightMD]

I have been very happy with the V6 in my LX. I think the V6 will be ok for the LS but the V8 has been a fun engine for older models.

[@xwarped83]

@@RSwrightMDthe V6 is fine in the LS, plenty of power. The V8 in my LX is great, but I imagine if I were to get the new LX, I probably wouldn’t miss the V8 until things go wrong.

[@andyleo8418]

That's exactly why you're not. You would bankrupt the company in a week. Like putting Homer Simpson in charge of a car company. We all know how that turned out. 😂😂

[@philipbaio2237]

I still have Lexus LS 430 V8 best engine they ever made. I hear the sick is a piece of junk. They have problems. I don’t know if I will buy another LS.

[@frankmastromauro5630]

Good video

[@Narsuitus]

Opps, I misread the video title. I thought this was about the LC500.

[@CACressida]

The LS needs Toyota Century design influence. The big boxy Century turns heads in person and demands respect. The current LS just blends in with all the ESs on the lot anf thats a bad thing. Boxy luxury sedans appeal to the older rich people.

[@carll6563]

I owned an ES300h 2019...but could'nt wait for the redesign i thought would come in 25 so i bought i slightly used RZ450e and im now glad that i did not wait for this refresh which have nothing in favour. Boring and with absolutely nothing new tech-wise(it looks like)but an uglier design. Really disappointed 👎👎

[@turnne]

These LS cars have not sold well for many years. I dont know how Toyota could justify a completely new model on this. Mercedes sells 3X-4X more S class sedans and at a much higher price. This class is dominated by the Mercedes S and BMW 7 series...and those are the most expensive...so its really not about price it seems

[@InvestBetter.]

The current Lexus LS has been a major flop for Lexus, for a variety of reasons, but the main reason is they aimed too low, were too conservative with their goals for the LS. It's look is fetching enough, but in every other tangible, it falls short of what the luxury flagship market demands. It's tech and user IP are old and outdated. The interior is smaller than ever before, and the engine is a victim of cost-cutting. At least they are asking a fair price for it, but demand for these kinds of sedans is fading fast, so you either give the market what they want, which is the ultimate modern luxury sedan, or you're off the shopping list

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

1. New engine is not part of cost cutting whatsoever. Instead Its had excellent power performance and more . Its just they are moving From v8s while only using if its really required. 2. New LS has continuous UPDATES in terms of Tech . So its not outdated and very much in line with the LC500. 3. interior space is more than fine. Overall only reason its not selling very well because. The market of flagship Asian flagship luxury sedans are dead while remaining buyers are Germans . Even of they put a freaking v10 or even a v16. It would make no difference

[@InvestBetter.]

@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl When you go from a V8 to a six cylinder, to a luxury shopper, who is used to a V8, it comes across as cost-cutting. perception is reality, in this case.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

@@InvestBetter. Expect the existing V8 is a outdated engine from the 2000s or I don't know the 90s. so no the new engine is very much a upgrade over the V8 in every level. Overall Ls low sales has nothing to do with the new engine. Instead the overall segment of flagship full size luxury cars is dying and even if Lexus puts a freaking v10 or v8 it won't change its numbers. Best example is the lc500. were once again its in dying segment with very few rivals . It even has the V8 yet look at its sales numbers. overall in this day and age luxury buyers fully understand there is a decent chance something can downsize or electric.

[@InvestBetter.]

@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl Except Mercedes and BMW turbo-charged their V8s. They didn't leave V8s for sixes. Lexus bet on luxury buyers wanting a V6 and a smaller interior, with less tech than the competition. All reek of cost-cutting, and the cut not just cost, but their market share.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​@@InvestBetter. Just because Mercedes or bmw offers a v8 don't mean Lexus should do the same. Because its not required. New LS has excellent Tech and perfectly fine interior space. Bmw nowadays only has one v8 and top of the line version is m760exdrive. which is a I6 turbo PHEV. Look at the sales of LC500 or even the Mercedes AMG SL. They all offer v8s and yet they are selling in low numbers. because they are in a dying segment with very little buyers.

[@BMW-pk6nh]

We need an update and a refresh for the ES Lexus and the spy shots of the ES looks luxurious with artistically stylish design front end headlights very nice

[@jessebettis501]

it's a nice paint if you want to dish out $3100. Most of our customers aren't the 13 blacks you get from Rolls Royce paint customer.

[@Kyle0714]

make it a damn 4 door liftback like the porsche panamera for gods sake

[@davidgillham6847]

They can't surely be sticking with the 300h powertrain, that just beggars belief! Gotta have the 350h as a minimum.

[@jase298hkhk]

China has stricter regulations than US, they don't even have the V8 version of LC.

[@JEB757]

Toyota needs to get serious again with sedans. There was a time people left Mercedes, BMW and Audi for the LS. I’ll agree many of those customers have migrated tie SUVs…that said LS sales are only in the crapper because Toyota has basically built a Buick competitor for the price of a Audi A8.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

New LS is a excellent s class or 7 series rival. Buick yay right. Days of unbiased full size luxury car buyers are gone as the whole segment had shrunked to a point were its only Mercedes BMW or Audi Left. So its not fault of the car instead the overall market.

[@jeromep3182]

I rather have a Toyota century sedan

[@EvanBoone-d6d]

I think instead of killing the LS and possibly the LX they should just Seriously redesign these vehicles to stay competitive, Lexus is moving farther and farther away from being a luxury brand

[@smartkid1201]

The best thing Lexus can do is discontinue the LS.

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

its sad to see the plummeting monthly sales of the LS while its smaller sister the ES averages between 2,000 and 4,200 units per month granted in the nearly 4 decades Lexus has existed the ES has sold roughly 2 million units in the US which is decent for a 4 door Luxury sedan similar to a Lincoln Continental Mark VII though the Lincoln is 7-9 in longer than the Lexus and the five gens between Mark IV and Mark VIII sold 950,000 units granted when Toyota decided to build Lexus they took apart at Cadillac Seville and and Lincoln Continental Mark VI to see what Americans expected from their Luxury cars Hence why the LS had a V8 engine believe the first V6 in the Lexus ES was a 2.5 L same as would be the first used in the Camry starting in 1988 and eventually they'd both have a 3.5 L V6 between 2010-2024

[@kayelones]

I thought the Lexus is Japanese product. I heard you said a few times China.

[@dvortex668]

If they want to kill LS, they should bring a new way better ES with more engine options. Let start with 350h, 450h and 500h. Even if they copy all engines from RX. But... If they give us the same powertrain as camry, ES will die soon. Lexus must be better then Toyota. Otherwise bye bye sedans

[@avdp9095]

Luxury brand without F segment sedan is no Luxury brand, period.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

Lexus is very much a luxury brand and will continue to do very well regardless if there is a LS there or not period

[@avdp9095]

​@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl no they have become rebadged Toyota 's and if build in the Usa with awful build quality.... . The LS and Lc are true Lexus cars. The Tx, Gx, ES, average cars.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​​@@avdp9095 TX GX and Es are excellent luxury SUVs and sedan's. There are very much true Lexus products. Average my foot. Lexus will soon have their LFA and LC replacements coming as well. Far as the LS . just like the GS. There is no market for a asian full size luxury sedan anymore. It doesn't matter what engine they put.

[@avdp9095]

@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl in Asia, China, sedans are very very popular. Lexus was outstanding, not anymore imo, by the way, we own a Lexus ES 2023 model year. Very nice car, but not special or outstanding.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​​@@avdp9095 in Asia vehicles like the Lexus LM . Is the new flagship vehicle of choice these days . importantly es is a outstanding luxury sedan. Words like special are something that is used Ferraris or low volume vehicles. Not massive or mid volume luxury sedans.

[@borninhk1]

Their issue is that their GA-L platform is not scalable like CLAR from BMW. Otherwise, the GS wouldn’t have died, and the IS could have gotten better platforms instead of the ancient one they have now. That, and powertrains! They need new gas engines FAST!

[@borninhk1]

@ they need a turbo 6 cylinder power plant like MB, BMW, Audi, and Mazda.

[@borninhk1]

@@naveenthemachine not affordable because they don’t have scale?

[@KirkKreifels]

Yep. Terrible engineering decision for the near-worthless L platform. At least it gave us the LC perfection...at the cost of most of their sedans, potentially RWD SUVs could've been on a RWD platform shared with LS, LC...but it never happened. Terrible corp decision making.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

​​@@borninhk1 new Lexus powertrains already excellent engines and no need for new ones whatsoever. GS died because there was no market for a Asian RWD based 5 series rival whatsoever. BEST example of this. Is the g80. Genesis managed to sell 312 vehicles it was even worse in July. It was just 274 cars. While the comfort and luxury focused Es is selling better than ever. Fact is there is no business for a car like GS. Toyota new turbo I4 hybrid has more power performance and more compared to mazda half baked bmw copy. Infact a grand highlander HYBRID turbo I4 is faster.can we stop with GS obsession!

[@1bigboy500]

​@@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl Why the hate on the GS? If you're a real Lexus fan you appreciate all models even if it doesn't fit you. Stop the obsession with the turbo 4 hybrid too. All the reviews I've seen show its not better than the German comp...its just going to be reliable if you plan to keep it long term as long as you don't drive it hard...

[@chiefwilliamsunfiltered3874]

It bothers me that the LS and ES look so similar on the outside. The LS doesn’t stand out enough to remain an S class Benz competitor.

[@mob4ever]

Do you say that about s class and e class?

[@MR3DDev]

The LS is one of the cars with fewer incentives on Lexus offers, I wonder why

[@hallstatt-s2m]

Maybe Toyota give up next gen LS …

[@Olph1]

They need to go back to a v8 and design the body to look more like a flagship. The exterior does not compete with MB, BMW, etc.

[@vaxsur]

The LS was legendary years ago but now it has fallen behind the S class 7 series and A8 im a young teen and i rather drive sedans then a crossover or suv

[@charley95sheridan44]

Mercedes and Audi will never have the long term reliability that Lexus has though. They are nice cars otherwise.

[@ndenkha]

I hope they don't kill it. The LS500 fell behind with technology and design and power train. They need to modernize this legendary sedan and give it more power. I hope they don't destroy it and turn it into a hybrid or EV with no ICE option.

[@wadehiggins1114]

Once they kill the LC, I'm moving to Mercedes.

[@twanjr]

I feel like they are pushing the whole 35 years as a way to say this is it. The LS 460 took nearly 10 years to be redesigned 2007 - 2017 and when they finally put out the LS 500 it was missing the V8 and many loyal buyers already left the brand to go with the big 3. Lexus takes way too long to redesign their major flagship products. What happened to that same passion they put in the LS 400.

[@KirkKreifels]

Yep. Since they're established, they're resting on their laurels. Genesis has the fire and innovation Lexus once had. Hope Lexus can get some attention, but they seem to always be a second thought in America vs. the mainstream Toyota lineup.

[@shakke52]

The fact that its not a V8 is such a big downgrade and dealbreaker in its class.

[@MercOne]

Yes they are, well all the RWD based ones. The FWD based ES gets regular updates. The LS is now just an also ran in it's class. Never thought I'd see that.

[@pkagent14]

Watch Lexus slap a 2026 ES style Tablet on the 2026 LS 😂. I need that tablet in the 2026 IS and a HUD.

[@theizza68]

The problem with the LS in my opinion is that it looks sporty and aggressive. It used to be all about luxury and presence, it kind of looks boring now and isn't that different from the ES. The LS 430 still has presence to this day! The same problem goes for Bentley when they went from the Mulsanne to the Flying Spur. It lost its presence.

[@brettfleming5921]

Agreed. Lexus did themselves a disservice by neglecting their sedans . The current generation LS was already behind everyone else when it came out. It impressed no-one. Especially compared to something like the BMW 7 series or Genesis G90 even. They should have only kept the GS and IS, and focused primarily on the fun to drive, sexy, sporty/performance/ F sport side of Lexus. I think for most buyers, the ES really doesn’t need to exist at this point considering the RX could be an obvious substitution for sales consultants. And the LS has become completely irrelevant in the US.

[@JustinLoving]

Am I the only one who wants a large flagship sedan? lol.

[@JDMSwervo2001]

At this point idk why the LX and LS are still sold in America I’ve literally never seen the new generation LX or LS on the road EVER. I’ve seen 2 LC500s within the last few years tho

[@eddstarr2185]

The spectacular 1989 debut of the Lexus LS 400 showcased world-class engineering and design execution. The stunning loss of V8 power in the LS 500 has been a clear signal that Lexus no longer serious about sedan supremacy. Release a few trim changes and raise prices. It's shocking to see how little Lexus cares - a crossover selling "Toyota-Twin" is good enough.

[@jonathanratliff4780]

Maybe just kept it for this year as it’s last MY to be available for the 35th year. Probably has some unheralded mechanical tweaks for 2025 as Lexus seems to do every year.

[@RobertMayfair]

Lexus has pivoted away from sedans because they don’t have the engines to make them compliant and also live up to performance and reliability expectations. Regulations are more lenient on SUVs and trucks. The Germans sell plenty large sedans still, so the market still exists.

[@Mylifeislegendary982vd3-vl]

Reason lexus is not building a replacement let's say for the GS as a example. There is no demand for a RWD based 5 series rivaling luxury sedans anymore. Hell genesis is trying to sell their g80 and its a flop specialy here in USA. They only sold 312 or something vehicles in October. Infact it was worse in July with 274 cars. Yes Mercedes BMW or Audi sells because they are ultra established and those are the remaining buyers. Lexus already has excellent engines and everything.

[@Lucas-wp2ph]

They do not know how to make cars anymore. Look at what happens to the es when Dcar crash tests the car. Welding seams rip apart like it is made out of cardboard. New Toyotas ar POS.

[@sufyanshareef6302]

I think they just bought another two years to know if they should go with electric cars or hybrid

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

Can somebody explain to me why the world is making vehicle electrification mandatory? What is wrong with conventional internal combustion engines?

[@worldofai-games1036]

It’s obvious, emissions and pollution… even CO2 gas is not acceptable and it is considered a greenhouse gas which traps heat on earth. The belief is that EV emit nothing meaning clean car