25 Creedmoor and 22 Creedmoor! What's old is new again!

[@aberhan]

Love or hate the 6.5 Creedmoor you can’t deny it’s inherent accuracy. Yes I own one.

[@hopefulballistics]

It’s a good cartridge.

[@MrRyanmcmahon]

@@hopefulballistics I love mine,,,

[@Wheelchair-bear]

I have had a 250 AI for 25 years, it does have a 1 in 10, but I am getting 3400 fps with 90 gr. CX bullet, using a compression load of Reloader 15. No pressure and very accurate. Slightly more recoil than my 22-250 with 55 gr.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Wheelchair-bear nice

[@billburton9212]

I have been shooting a 25 creedmoor for over a year. Barltlien barrel 1/7.25 5r, Manners Stock A-1A, Impact action. Use 135 Bergers, ZC 5x27 scope. Five shot average lab radar 2986 fPS. Best five shot group is .1330. using H4350. Use Alpha 25 creedmoor brass. Will shoot the milk jug at one mile outside of price Utah all day long. Love the caliber no recoil at all far superior than the 6.5 creedmoor.

[@hopefulballistics]

That’s awesome! Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you think it’s better than the 6.5 because of the custom nature of the rifle, or do you think the cartridge is just better than the 6.5?

[@billburton9212]

@@hopefulballistics I am far from ballistics expert, but my opinion you can run the 25 - 135 bullet at 2986 in the 25. There is no way you can run the 153.5 in 6,5 creedmoor over 2800 fps. Less recoil higher velocity at 1000 yds.less drop and less wind affect. The 147, 140, 135, and 130 for the 6.5 does not have as good BC,

[@aberhan]

If I was starting over, with the benefit of hindsight, I would get the cartridges I wish I had kept. With the addition of one more the 7X57 Mauser. The ones I wish I had kept, 250 Savage and 6mm Remington. But I’m happy with what I have. And much of that is based on the availability of ammo and components, examples, 308 Winchester, 6.5 Creedmoor and 223 Remington.

[@hopefulballistics]

Some good cartridges there

[@jaybailleaux630]

Give me any center-fire rifle in any chambering and I will put deer or elk or moose on the table.. Shoot placement is the key. I've seen the 22 rimfire magnum kill many hogs and deer. The lowly 250 Savage and 30-30 is plenty powerful.

[@hopefulballistics]

Your right, shot placement is key

[@darrylpacholko5495]

I have a 25 06 rem and love it. It's a Lazer beam with mild recoil. If you're asking me 243 or 25 06, it's not even close. The 25 Creedmoor is intriguing, simply because you can shoot the 135 grain bullets that have a very high BC. I would love to know the velocity and energy.

[@hopefulballistics]

I’m curious also

[@zacharyfelkel7924]

I’ve had a 25 creedmoor for several years and taken several deer with it. Has good energy even out to 350 yards. 131 blackjacks of course running about 2850-2930 fps. Could get hotter loads but not needed for accuracy.

[@ChristopherSmith-ut8gb]

Great information. Thank you for history and development of those calibers.

[@stanleymarucha8194]

been saying and hoping for a new 25 . built a 250 3000 and love it and love the 284 win and it,s kids building a 25 284 now . also have a soft spot for the 22 250 and the 220 swift .

[@hopefulballistics]

“25-284?” Sweet!

[@stanleymarucha8194]

MAYBE WINCHESTER MAYBE REMINGTON not HORNADY UNLESS SOME ONE MORE THAN THEM LOAD IT LIKE THE 6.5 CM , I FIND THEIR BRASS TO SOFT

[@jonathanperillo1795]

I sold all of my rifles for hunting and built a few: 7PRC 25PRC 25-06/30-06 changeable barrel. I handload, but in a pinch I can always find 30-06 anywhere. You need one of those “always around” calibers in my opinion.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jonathanperillo1795 makes sense

[@kstimberghost3283]

I’ve been waiting for 22 creed to hit the market for a few years.

[@SpudOutdoors]

I love my 25 creed. It’s awesome

[@hopefulballistics]

Cool!

[@rockylavigna5977]

I had no clue very interesting presentation, thanks

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks Rocky!

[@tacticalmattfoley]

Great video! Once a person has an AR15 or AR10 lower, you can pretty much have whatever short or standard cartridge gun you desire. Uppers don't require any more federal documentation, either! You hit on it. The difference is modern chamber design. It's the same idea as Bill Wylde developing the 223 Wylde for AR15s to give the platform more freebore and inherently more accuracy--or at least, that was the idea. Companies are already making 22CM brass for reloaders and predator hunters are successfully using 22CM in the field in both bolt action and AR variants. 250AI brass must be made by fire forming 22-250 brass--basically shooting 22-250 brass to blow out the shoulder angle. So, there's a LOT of material support already for 22CM--I'd say factory loaded ammo in 22CM is coming very soon if it's not already in process at SAMI. When I was growing up, the only cartridges I could get were made by Winchester, Remington and PMC--because that's what my crossroads store which sold Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Gasoline (E) sold...It was a model store for what the ATF should be..LOL. That's the reason I would never whistle past 308 and 30-06. Even a store 2 hours away from everything had those two cartridges in stock all year round. How would a Winchester rifle shoot chambered in 300Wby? Would it have the freebore that makes Weatherby Mark V rifles famous for accuracy?

[@hopefulballistics]

Great comment, thanks!!

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 Easy Choice For Me: Winchester (Cartridges) - 270 Win, 308 Win, 270 wsm, 300 wsm, and 300 WM!

[@kylemartin832]

For Winchester I'd have to go 225 Win, 243 Win, 308 Win, 300 WM and 458WM for ultimate versatility 😉 hope all is well

[@hopefulballistics]

Good choices

[@kylemartin832]

To pick only one company is definitely hard. I love 2.23 and 308 definitely my favorites but Hornady has is going on. For ultimate versatility hands down 204 Ruger varmint, 6cm predator and small deer, 7PRC (short, lite) deer and bear, 300prc long, mid weight) bigger deer and bear, 416 Ruger dangerous game and runaway zombie dump trucks.

[@hopefulballistics]

“Runaway zombie dump trucks,”. Lol!

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 My Second Choice as a company would be Horneday and the cartridge selection would be much more broad! My Cartridge Selection Would Include The Following - 204 Ruger, 6.5 Creedmore (It has more bullet/ammunition options than the 6 Creedmore, even though it is a cool cartridge!), 6.5 prc, 7mm prc, and the 375 Ruger!

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice choices

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 If I were to pick the 3 Best cartridges, developed from 3 of the Biggest Manufacturers, it would be as follows: 270 (Winchester), 7mm prc (Horneday), and 7mm-08 (Remington)! Because I don't want the extra recoil, I would drop out the 7mm prc! Because I live out West, my choice would be the 270 Winchester! However, if I lived in a state with more forested areas, then the 7mm-08 would be my choice! 🤑

[@hopefulballistics]

@@ronlowney4700 good choices! Can’t go wrong with those cartridges

[@ronlowney4700]

Oh, then the Top Choice for the Other Companies: Nosler (280 AI) and Weatherby (300 WBY Magnum)!

[@larrygabbard4896]

The 7 prc would be interesting.

[@billyarnold6633]

I have a 22/250 a 204 Ruger I'm building a 22 creedmoor, can't have to many caliber's.

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice!

[@larrygabbard4896]

I’m long in the tooth. I’ve owned just about every caliber from 338 to 243. My most accurate rifles were a 700 in a 25-06, a 284 in a Mexican Mauser, and a 308 in a rem 788. 300 wsm and 270 wsm would work for me.

[@hopefulballistics]

Good choices!

[@kylemartin832]

22 Creed is a barrel burner and the quarter bore cartridges died a long time ago. We will see one of them this year probably. I'd put money on the 22. A modern day 22-250

[@hopefulballistics]

Yep, that’s really what it is. Or an updated 22-250 AI

[@SpudOutdoors]

Not true. 25 creed has got a growing track record. I have one in a 7.5 twist with 135 gn Berger’s at .650 BC. It’s super efficient and not a barrel burner.

[@kylemartin832]

@@SpudOutdoors out of curiosity, what are you getting for velocity and what's the barrel length?

[@SpudOutdoors]

@@kylemartin832 I have to make it through my 200 round breakin first. I always wait till summer time to run ladder tests for velocity since it will be a 100 deg weather. I am running a 20” right now. But from what I seen 2850 will probably be the top end for the 135.

[@bobhamilton7472]

25/284, 27 inch barrel, 1in8 twist, nuf said!

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice!!

[@williambundick349]

I have shot a 25-06 for years and have said for years if you sped up the twist rate and made the bullets longer and heavier it would kill of the 6.5, and I do own both so don’t think I am kicking the 6.5, it’s a great cartridge doing what it was meant for.

[@hopefulballistics]

Probably true, thanks

[@joshclemons9975]

Id rather see a 25 prc i think that would be the ultimate deer cartridge and have to shoot heavier, longer 25 cal bullets

[@hopefulballistics]

That would be cool

[@jonathanperillo1795]

That’s what I was thinking, and why I just started building one!

[@patrickgallagher4344]

My go to favorite woods cartridge is the 308 Winchester my favorite open country cartridge is the 25/06! I’ve always been in favor of the 25/06 over the 270 because of the lighter recoil! I’ve killed everything with it or have seen everything killed with it that’s been killed with the 270. Proper bullets and good shot placement is all you need! Just comes down to a personal choice! I do think the 25 creedmoor would be a cool cartridge! Always heard really good things about the 250 savage

[@hopefulballistics]

The 308 is my preferred woods cartridge as well. For open country I like the 6.5-284 or the 270 WSM

[@patrickgallagher4344]

The 270 short mag is another cartridge that always interested me. My brother had one years back! Very flat shooting!

[@williambundick349]

Roy Weatherby said his all time favorite of his was the .257

[@hopefulballistics]

True

[@imjustadude]

Add "creedmoor" to it and you'll be good. Love shooting PRS with my 25 Creedmoor.... it's awesome. I shoot yotes w my 204 Ruger. If you wana compete, tune in a 25cm. Or other popular calibers for such. Kill a deer w a 30/30. Smack MOA at 800 yards, try a 25CM. My $.02 worth. All depends on application

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks, I appreciated it

[@tripple3473]

.22 creedmoor with a fast twist for 80's and 90's would be sweet. Ive always considered building a 22-250 with a 1 in 7 twist. I think that would have way more attention than the .25

[@hopefulballistics]

I’m tempted as well to get one

[@jasonrottlaender1721]

I would really like a 257 bob. But brass and ammo are very hard to find and expensive. I am thinking very hard about building a 25 Souper or a 25 creed. I wouldn't mind a 25-06 but I already have a 270 and I think the 25-06 needs a 24" barrel. So yes if the factory came out with a short action 25 cal with a 1-8 in twist I'd buy one.

[@hopefulballistics]

I’ve also thought a 25 Souper would be cool.

[@justinbishop1647]

I have one.

[@santicristyn2328]

Pro target guys are shooting 25 creed and have been for 2-3 years to this point they claim the new Berger 25 cal bullets are the best supposedly have more known down than 6 creed better ballistics than 6.5

[@hopefulballistics]

Awesome, thanks!

[@michaelduff6715]

Comparing the 250savageAI to the 25CM, did they fix the twist rate and SAMMI pressure?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@michaelduff6715 it’s still a wildcat. Not officially been saami standardized with twist or pressure.

[@michaelduff6715]

@ if it can throw a 120g copper bullet out at 3000 fps, it will be the bee knees.

[@jaycupples4362]

22 creedmoor seen I guy running one in a PRS match , I asked him how fast can you run it ? He said how fast you want to run it?🔥 I thinking 25 PRC 🤷‍♂️

[@tacticalmattfoley]

4000+ft/sec....that's how fast 22CM will go.

[@hopefulballistics]

I’ve thought 25 PRC or 25 Western would be cool

[@hopefulballistics]

Me too

[@rpk5250]

I think a 22 long rifle, 6.5 Creedmoor and 375 h&h are the only rifles anyone needs. Everything else is just a niche

[@hopefulballistics]

You could definitely make those cartridges work for anything. Thanks RPK!

[@rpk5250]

@@hopefulballistics yes sir. Your cartridge topics are excellent and well thought out. It’s always fun to think about what if I could do it over again. What would I do and you start really thinking about what’s important and what’s superfluous

[@aberhan]

Most of the hate directed at the 6.5 Creedmoor is because it was overhyped. Which is unfortunate.

[@hopefulballistics]

You’re correct

[@Snailz5]

Same old take comparing new and old cartridges. The powder capacity is not the end all be all. You want a 22-250 AI or 250 AI to do the same thing as the creedmoor counterparts then you're likely getting a custom reamer which is way more expensive than getting a prefit or having a smith use a standard reamer to chamber the barrel. You can slap a prefit 22 or 25 creed with a 1-7 twist on your old action and you're off to the races. 25 caliber is probably the best caliber for deer and pronghorn in terms of ballistics and recoil. The 257 has a notable edge on bc over 6mm while having lower weights than 6.5 that allow bullets with the same (or better) bc than the 264s to be launched at signficantly higher speed. If I want a low recoil option, the 25 creed is my choice. If I want another 200 fps and 308 level recoil, I'd get a 25-06 AI.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Snailz5 alrighty

[@SpudOutdoors]

A .257 is actually a 6.5mm it is 6.5278 and a .264 as we know as a 6.5mm is actually 6.7056mm isn’t that just amusing.

[@hopefulballistics]

Yes it is. And a 270 is 7mm. It’s just lands vs grooves measurement basically

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

25 Creedmoor... meh. 22 Creedmoor is cool though

[@hopefulballistics]

Yeah I agree

[@MangoMike316]

😎👍👍👍😎

[@hopefulballistics]

Thanks!

[@justinbishop1647]

Real Men shoot 25 soupers.

[@hopefulballistics]

I’ve always thought that was an interesting cartridge and would probably be good.

[@justinbishop1647]

@@hopefulballistics mine is very accurate. Mine is in an AR10.

[@JJ-qy8xu]

Yeah Hornaday and thier master ballistics. Gurus copy cat ing again.