$360,000 FOR A FILM DEGREE?! - COLLEGE CRINGE (Don't go to college for art) |

[@i.k5143]

Been in the film industry for 15 years, NEVER have I heard an employer ask where someone went to school.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

My good friend got a small university film degree, production 🎞 in 1994-1995. He moved to FL & got a long term job, office/administration in a related field. Digital animation, film-media. He worked there around 16+ years then left due to stress, company hassles.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

It's crazy to me that people think spending this amount of money at college will help them out later in life.

[@awolr]

I think the biggest problem is that the system brainwashes us into believing college is the only recognizable option for a decent-wage future. Parents are the reason I went because it paid off for them, in a time where it was still a good investment. Flash forward 20-30 years, it still has not for me. The system takes advantage of our dreams to crush them with debt.

[@OttoKopeczky]

Soon, a person’s level of success will be inversely proportional to how much money they spent on their degree(s). We might already be there.

[@Lilly0170]

At 18 some people are not mature enough to make a decision on that kind of money. Parents should prevent that kind of debt trap.

[@irvingchies1626]

the only reason you should go to college for art is for the connections with rich people who are actually interested in art, else you can just go to museums or art expositions and talk to the owners or representatives and show them your work and alsk them if you can put it in an exposition and if they think you are good enough they will agree to do so, only if you are really bad but still want to work on that field then you should totally NOT, PLEASE DON'T BE ANOTHER UWE BOLL!!!!!!!!!

[@Dingbat1967]

At this point, college is a scam. Unless you go into a field where there's actual demand, you're being scammed. And even then, there are other ways to get education now.

[@difference018]

Education starts at home. When your parents starts pushing academic as the only route to success without gauging the financial risks, the kids end up unknowingly in financial disaster

[@praz7]

Asian parents pay for education. Hence Asians more successful than locals. Ask your parents to pay for education if they want you to get the degree.

[@Canadian_Networth]

Wow well said. Facts

[@deepfakesforreal9487]

@@praz7 But most Asian kids do useful degrees, so it generally pays off in the end, even if they take a loan!

[@eddycarra1519]

@@deepfakesforreal9487 My girlfriend's response to this was "Asian kids don't have a choice in what their degree is, its doctor, nurse, lawyer or some sort of engineer" and then painfully laughed her way back to the living room.

[@Ty_Neadik]

It depends, they should push you what is best for your particular situation and will be your best option. If your father is donald trump then you might be able to be ok with any degree, else you need to think carefully about your future academic decisions.

[@MWtheMonke]

My ex's girlfriend has a film degree, thankfully she's putting her skills to use in her onlyfans career.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Lmao 🤣

[@johnnycatR58]

Andrew Dice Clay: OHHHHHH!!!!

[@freakbag556]

ayeee thats illegal

[@verve2831]

good for her :)

[@karanthakkar04]

This comment should be pinned🤣

[@monsterboomer8051]

If you don't go into debt then how can the university management afford those Bentleys? Right? Do you really want them to drive regular wagie cars?

[@eddycarra1519]

@Armament Armed Arm But choose to be driven to work in the Bentley for the status and culture.

[@Ty_Neadik]

It depends boomer, there is nothing wrong with productive debt, most of the directors of the EE programs at my schools drive 2000s corollas, and they have money.

[@beldiman5870]

I was about to start a masters degree but after meeting the university financial director, the guy which collects your money, dressed in a 3000 bucks suit and driving a Bentley, I changed my mind

[@Ty_Neadik]

@Sjm Ddlj Why, they have tons of money and several houses, some start scholarships. They usually don't care about appearance but more about utility.

[@Ty_Neadik]

*They have money from when they worked in industry, in academia they give about half of their research grants to the undergrad students, other half for research and grads.

[@bocckoka]

imagine, how many independent short films they could have put together from that kind of money.

[@jaycool9480]

or a low budget feature film that you can play at a film festival.

[@Yavin4]

Or just make KZbin videos with your phone. If they're any good, people will find you.

[@guppy0112]

Exactly! Much better to do that, than waste all that money for no good reason. ☹️

[@jeffshackleford3152]

At least 1 Blair Witch Project.

[@RedsHitpostMedia]

@@Yavin4 Eh from what I heard from Freddy Wong from RocketJump Hollywood does not give a damn about YT

[@orangepeel7115]

KZbinrs make better movies than masters in fine arts and film

[@tkdevlop]

Are you mocking my phd in left hand puppetry?

[@christianpaeznegron]

Sad but true

[@amdinside5383]

@@tkdevlop lol

[@zhin13]

@@tkdevlop How dare he!

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

Success in any creative field always comes down to “how good are you?”

[@FallacyAsPraxis]

Going to college is not the issue...regardless of what you study. The real issue is the cost. No degree should cost $360,000.

[@zergslayer69]

Even a pharmacist doesn't need to take that big of a loan and they can make pretty good money after they graduate

[@casperr8349]

The problem is that some 18 year olds aren't ready to take out loans and aren't financialy responsible.

[@jacobg8640]

The reason it costs so much is because it is pushed so hard by parents, teachers, and the government. If the government had never guaranteed the loans, then it never would have been so expensive. A bank would think really hard before loaning a film director $300,000 to make a movie, but will gladly loan that much to an 18 year old just to learn about film.

[@TheSoulCrisis]

@@jacobg8640 Man that's one interesting way to put it true though

[@kkirschkk]

@@jacobg8640 the issue here is that the reason why they are willing to is that you cant remove student loans through bankruptcy [so its a safe loan]. Remove that and while most liberal art degree loans would be rejected as too risky and interest rates would go sky high, you would no longer have as big of an issue [well other than a ton of people not being able to go to college]

[@ninjablack4347]

The "reasoning" of an 18 year old spending that much money is obvious: 1) They aren't financially literate yet. 2) They've been told college is a safe bet 3) They are more interested in studying their interests rather than anything that will generate income

[@innocentrage1]

"Just go to college, the piece of paper is what matters because it shows you a hard worker, the job will train you and you will get higher income" -All our parents

[@juliancohen9561]

One of the guys featured is 41...

[@jaycool9480]

Well, that defines the millennial (81'-95') generation. They're the ones, who drunk the college koolaid that the boomers and gen xrs were talking about when it came to college. Study your passion, get into the best schools you can, and you too will get a comfortable lifestyle.

[@neptunemike]

ah yes because “follow your dreams”

[@eddycarra1519]

Honestly, when I have a kid I will offer them three trains of thoughts. 1. college, 2. Starting a business, 3. Investing if they can manage to save their money and not spend it all. I know I was a shit kid growing up for a couple of years, but I will at least put some of these options in front of them. It's more than what I got growing up.

[@jillsandwich6808]

Step aside, Dave Ramsey! Joshua Fluke is here!

[@finalboss7956]

Better than i deserve whats up?

[@ljpal18]

Far less toxic.

[@myentertainment55]

I probably watched too much of Graham Stephan that I immediately thought about a cat, not a human :D

[@jillsandwich6808]

@@myentertainment55 toe beans (and rice) power!

[@vincetaliaferro2777]

@asdrubale bisanzio He's helping people by the thousands to make their life better. You can't be sensitive and weak minded when you want to grind it out and make your life better. We can't always have our hands held and be talked to softly. Idk what abuse you're talking about. You should be headstrong enough to not let words EVER bother you.

[@BillZo739]

Joshua: stop letting 18 year olds borrow $100k+ in loans for bad degrees. Universities: Free pizza during finals?

[@saywhatnow57]

Free pizza? The university where my wife works replaced all of the fast-food restaurants in the food court with food that cost twice as much.

[@Cr1ms0nRav3n]

It’s a scam. It’s obvious now more than ever.

[@eitkoml]

It's only "free" if they have parents or scholarships that paid for everything.

[@saywhatnow57]

My wife is a cancer researcher (it's actually a great research university), but I worked there for a couple of years, and despite a huge undergraduate class, it is first and foremost a business. And its kinda sad how they make no effort to make it affordable.

[@eitkoml]

@@saywhatnow57 Yes, universities should be seen as for-profit corporations pretending to be nonprofits that make their money by selling classes and degrees and by getting research grants. It is criminal that high schools don't teach this.

[@joshuabracke5775]

My company paid for my BA in accounting. I'm blessed to be able to have that privilege. Could you imagine being naive enough to think that $300,000 for a piece of paper that says, "you make film good" as worth it when could have a house with a mortgage is beyond me.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Anything in art where it's subjective to each person makes no sense to allow someone to grade you and charge you for it

[@joshuabracke5775]

@@JoshuaFluke1 you could go to an art center and experience the same thing, and for free except your time

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@asdrubale bisanzio sure when it's affordable and doesn't reflect on a GPA that can be used against you

[@asdf0747]

being good at film simply takes reading many books and learn how to make a real "STORY". it's just a practice lmfao. this is like going to journalism school instead of going to the street and reporting what they see.

[@internetspectator6051]

@asdrubale bisanzio you can learn all that on youtube for free bruh

[@sergeipatlai9514]

If you want to work in film industry, just make your own film. That's how you get into the industry.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

Quentin Tarantino has a pretty interesting story about how his first movie was made on the weekends, with rented equipment and minimal funds. He didn't even have the money to develop the film for over 2 years.

[@miscelaneasdealguem]

I'm artist (painting and drawing) and it's the same in my field. Much better to spend a few bucks on courses with good professors that won't leave you drowned in debt so you can learn how to make stuff, because only actually making stuff will take you somewhere, not a degree

[@kolacao8134]

@@miscelaneasdealguem do you use sites for courses?

[@TomikaKelly]

Today, that would make sense. If he's 29, a millenial, then he was told to go and get a degree. Not just that but content creating and social media today isnt where it was when he started college 11 years ago.

[@mattwong5403]

The state university that I'm attending has a media production team along with film classes where you get to shoot a short film with a $30,000 budget and learn audio design and video editing. If you're a film major, getting involved in student media and classes where you actually work on film sets are a lot more important than doing well in the more traditional academic classes.

[@paprika8d9]

I think this would’ve been a good opportunity to talk about the predatory loans and the expectations that college = success and how misleading it is vs. personal responsibility

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Like how ITT TECH got raided by the FBI

[@paprika8d9]

@@JoshuaFluke1 yes! another video on scam education companies please! Love your content Josh :)

[@pawlet]

I worked in customer service for student loans for 5 years. It should be a prerequisite to do one year before you can take out a loan.

[@FrankLeeYoung]

Regular film students: "Wait, mines cost 1/3 of that!" Indie directors: "I dropped out of mines. It's a rip off!" Confused Cameron, Nolan and Tarantino: "You guys are going to film schools?"

[@SizarieldoR]

Nolan took English literature (in UK) and Cameron began with Physics but then switched to English (in US). What are you talking about?

[@huasohvac]

And I think Tarantino went to film school for a bit but dropped out

[@FrankLeeYoung]

@@SizarieldoR and none of those were film schools. I believe you misread my comment.

[@YEDxFILMS]

Nolan’s father was in the industry

[@chinoman2532]

The sad reality is that college tuition shouldn’t be this high in the first place. Colleges learnt that students could just take out loans for school, so they jacked up their tuition prices. Banks and colleges now prosper with wealth while the students suffer with 6 figure debt. It’s even more sad when these students blame the other political party for this crisis, and fail to realize it’s the bank and colleges fault.

[@chrisstubbs6391]

Not to mention colleges are completely tax exempt institutions. Every concession stand transaction at college games, every school store purchase, every fine, fee, transaction, including capital gains on their billion dollar endowments, are tax exempt.

[@ms_cartographer]

Yeah, but both political parties allowed it to happen, and endorsed it

[@silasdietrich7464]

Buddy went to Yale for a history degree, the difference is his parents paid for it and will hook him up a with a job because of connections

[@cardcode8345]

I went to college for culinary arts, tho all jobs required 10 years of experience with connections.

[@innocentrage1]

And now they are line cooks at Denny's :(

[@cardcode8345]

@@innocentrage1 Even denny’s is hiring poor people of color, single moms, college kids and illegal immigrants apparently no one will work at a work environment that bad, low wages and managers, who think they are running apple not a fast food chain.

[@hanszimmer9224]

I have a phd in sausage design

[@shashwatgandhi7653]

@@hanszimmer9224 well i have a phd in blinking

[@desenagrator]

I know so many people who went into massive amounts in debt for a degree, just to never find any skilled work paying above $40k a year. The skilled labor market is so fucked right now, even retail and fast food jobs are rivaling skilled jobs in pay, if not more in some cases. Something desperately needs to be done about this.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

He made a video about that, how a bus driver or retail store worker has higher paid salary over IT worker.

[@deadreckoner5276]

Bus dispatchers for the MBTA in Boston make $80k with state benefits.

[@desenagrator]

@@deadreckoner5276 Maybe if they've had like 10+ years experience. No way they're starting dispatchers out at $80k a year.

[@deadreckoner5276]

@@desenagrator Why would a bus dispatcher at any point in their "career" make $80k?

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@desenagrator Or, more likely, all the jobs are completely filled out with an extensive waiting list.

[@XxVeexX19]

It's not even just arts anymore. Even some STEMS aren't getting people to where they thought they would be after graduation and degree in hand. The whole system is a huge letdown.

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

It probably doesn't help that the first 2 years of any degree are used as a recap of high school classes.

[@majnushetty5583]

@@GeneralChangFromDanang I guess it depends then. I got credits so skipped the first two semesters of college. Never did I encounter a class which was a recap of my high school, except maybe probablity and statistics, but even then they had so much on top of what was already taught. Funnily, I won't even consider my college anywhere close to a good program

[@ronaldtodd5098]

Biochemistry degree here worthless

[@hornetguy9063]

The entire idea of college was for a robust education where one learns a little about a lot. That was the traditional idea of college. It’s uniquely unqualified for the very thing that politicians want it to do, which is train people for important service sector careers.

[@sarahconner9433]

@@ronaldtodd5098 San Diego San Francisco Seattle a biotech degree pays you +100k/ year!!

[@BrainInteractive]

When I used to interview candidates I always ignored their university degree when deciding on a score, there was no correlation between degree and performance for software engineers

[@chapdattext3167]

My HR only tested my english skills and that's it and I got a job in customer services 😂

[@MikeDoesRandomThings]

Insane. I was grateful to graduate with a computer science degree with debt under 47k in total. 47k was a whole lot to me on its own. But at least the degree held value, going 300k in the hole for filming is pretty extreme, and very stupid.

[@innocentrage1]

Sadly computer science is the only degree worth having. Unless it's stem, MD or lawyer no other degree seems worth the money

[@Kingsman4101]

I am in the same boat, did a degree in computer science but kept the loans to the bare minimum. After working my arse off for 20 years I am now making bank and have long since paid off any loans I had.

[@MikeDoesRandomThings]

@@Kingsman4101 Yup, paid all of mine off in under 2 years. I was diligent about payin my dues. Up and up now. Stay strong King.

[@MikeDoesRandomThings]

@@innocentrage1 I feel that same way too.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

@@innocentrage1 Even "STEM" only includes two of the letters. Good luck getting a job in a hard science or with a math degree.

[@deeash525]

YES! Now that’s what I’ve been wanting you to do CALL OUT THESE UNIVERSITIES!!!!! I got stuck with a $28,000 debt because my daughter dropped out into her second year because they were not giving her the classes she needed for what she wanted to do. They also told me if I paid the interest monthly it would keep her payments down, BS!!!!!!

[@chapdattext3167]

I graduated with an associate's and I have the same job position as a coworker who graduated masters

[@saibamoe]

I had a higher salary than people with college and master's while I didn't even have my high school diploma (family issues during the end exams) - got it now later, learned that at my current employer they still higher without high school degrees just because the people showed potential and skills :) I was lucky, I admit, but goes to show, college for many job types is really ZERO

[@t.warren1363]

@@saibamoe if you don't mind me asking, what is your job?

[@saibamoe]

@@t.warren1363 on my contract the job position states: Sr. QA Engineer (software testing) - mostly manual but recently picking up automation with python and some devops knowledge. Regarding to the situation in my original comment, we're talking about QA Analyst, but that was solely manual testing, still implicating scrum, agile, perf, load testing and the know how of safeguarding the dev team during sprints. It ain't much and I don't wanna sound like bragging but I have seen people not really capable of this sort of job and it does require certain skills to prioritise and the responsibility to step in and pause or damage control the whole development process if things look like they're going in the wrong direction which could lead to tech debt or add costs later down the road. It's scary sometimes especially when there's tons of money at play as well as reputation among the consumers of the product. For this job type, there's one single 6 month course at one single college in my whole country. The mindset cannot be taught in college, but is gained more through experience, the more challenges and issues you face, the better you can prepare for future projects or tasks. It's really very dynamic, many a times, you can't know what to expect to be doing in a work day, maybe there's a priority for a certain thing o be properly tested before it reaches the users, nd even testing it requires caution as the safest bet testing would be done on the same environment as real users. Long story sorry, I was just in a writing mood

[@t.warren1363]

@@saibamoe I’ve heard of that role before. A friend of mine was looking to get into it. Thank you for sharing!

[@saibamoe]

@@t.warren1363 I can definitely recommend this job path. It doesn't require programming to the level of a developer. At most for automation QA, you're required some syntax and basic programming principles (which are easy to learn even from online tutorials, definitely no need for College) The easier way to get into this field would be video game testing. It is seen as an inferior form of QA job. At least in the beginning/junior level. But it does teach you the mindset, logic and worrkflows, tedt planning and bug submission tools for any software QA job. Some video game companies especially mobile games, go further in complexity and are comparable to what many would consider "actual software testing" - where you use API testing, load and performance testing, database testing with SQL, agile and scrum ways of eorking, project planning and many more. I came back to game testing and I am doing and learning more complex stuff than I did in "software" testing. Mostly because it's more dynamic, fun and not boring. Mobile games are still software and uses what any other software use behind the scenes such as servers, databases, libraries, sdk's for third party integration. Hope this helps, GL to your friend and if he has a hard time getting into it, I recommend he also tries game testing, it's a huge foot in the door and for many it's the end-game of QA (many don't want to be testing boring "software" such as meh apps you find on your phone store

[@bocckoka]

at the uni: - what are you learning? - (some arts shit) - and what are you going to do, teach? - (angry noises)

[@annonymsurfer3189]

@@metallica2500 yea, keep perpetuating that no consequences mentality by "support her in anything and everything she does" even though she f'ed up once and told you to fuk out. Ain't you a great parent? Keep raising kids instead of adults.

[@ThatGuy68580]

@@metallica2500 where did she buy her house?

[@redwall1521]

@@metallica2500 It seems the result shows that she made it out well. The issue with a lot of these kids who go to college, get in a lot of debt, and then work minimum wage is that they don't understand that they need to be saving money. Coupled with an ever increasing pressure for these kids to go out with their friends every week or purchase the newest fad or something, they're spending extra money on things they don't really need. People now are paying more for services than ever. People would rather spend $5 every day for overpriced coffee that they could make for 5 cents at home. The previous generation's attitude of saving every cent has disappeared in this generation, and I speak this as a recent college grad (in a good degree, mind you) whose parents immigrated and saved every cent (no excessive purchases, using coupons at the daily store, etc). Now 20 years later and we're living much more comfortably because we saved and snowballed from before. It all comes down to a combination of the circumstances (bad decision to go to college) and financial decisions (spending and saving money correctly) that can determine which kind of outcome you're faced with. Your daughter ended up well.

[@PokeMultiverse]

@@metallica2500 It really is considered a town, huh. growing up in Tucson, I always just considered Oro Valley an area in Tucson. I did a double take reading this comment because I'd have said "Oro Valley, Tucson"

[@PokeMultiverse]

@Tomcruise123 I'm not a teacher but ive heard it depends on subject and level. Elementary/middle school wouldnt surprise me as any bachelors as college educated is good enough for really any subject at those levels. However higher levels definitley have a specific certification you need on top of a teaching degree, on top of a minor in the subject (math, english, chemistry). College level requires a masters or above. Again, this is as far as I have understood it from my father who was a college TA, with a masters in english, and may be different nowadays

[@bluesteel1]

I got an engineering degree from the cheapest "Recognized" college i could find ...... upskilled myself in industry relevant skills .... got a job that pays 3 times the avg of an entry level engg ... also no debt .... skills are important ... degrees are just basic eligibility for taking the interview

[@matane2465]

Definitely do more videos talking about Academia. There's so much BS and cringe around Academia. Schools do the same things as these companies do having lots of useless crap to incentivize people to go there and use that to increase tuition fees.

[@retrofraction]

For that amount you could fund 9 indie films with a decent budget. Which even if 50% were learning projects you would end up with 1000% more credibility than someone who got the degree. Cause you would have 9 features under your belt and products you can sell. A degree is not worth more than the paper it’s printed to when it comes to art. Because like everything else in the world: Results > Theory

[@retrofraction]

@@claytonbouldin9381 Yeah every film person knows the Kevin Smith story. But honestly it would have gone south fast if they hadn’t got picked up by Miramax Films aka Harvey Weinstein green lighting it. (He did it all on credit cards…) Which that studio basically provided the next generation of American film talent for generations. But yeah you know it’s too bad Hollywood is too woke to find real talent these days.

[@iorekby]

@@claytonbouldin9381 I did the numbers and adjusted for inflation you could make The Blair Witch Project, Clerks AND Paranormal Activity, and you'll still have a big chunk of change from $360k

[@mrknarf4438]

Always make sure you have a plan. Know exactly why you're in uni, what you want to do afterwards, and start doing it on your own ahead of time. If possible start practicing on your own and talk with people who do that for a living, so you can find out how their daily life is and if you're cut for it before investing years and money into getting educated about it. There's no rush, it's better to find an internship before the degree and getting hands-on experience and getting to know the job and which skills you need and why and "waste" a year this way than waste 4 pursuing a degree for a career you still know nothing practical about.

[@Casinogirl56]

This video should be shown to every single high school senior.

[@pbailed8007]

I had a nurse buddy, her daughter got a degree in gendered studies. It cost 350,000$. I believe she’s a nurse tech and you can do that with no degree and just experience…

[@deadreckoner5276]

350,000 dollar signs? Not so bad.

[@Nukestarmaster]

Honestly, if I was a business owner, I would rather hire a high school dropout than someone with a gender studies degree, brainwashed activists are actively detrimental to any kind of work.

[@deadreckoner5276]

@@Nukestarmaster 100%

[@pwieland3934]

My bet is that your friend's daughter is getting hours so that she can apply to a different health science career. For instance, you typically need thousands and thousands of hours in a lower paid or "shadowing" role before you can apply to other programs (think physical therapy, physicians assistant, registered nurses, medicine). Gender studies, social work, etc., actually are good bachelor's to prepare people for the later health professions career. They want to be sure you are committed to the path which is why they check on "shadowing". The ROI for any kind of health professions certification is really good. A licensed vocational nursing certification would take about a year or so, cost less than $5k in many places, and be useful right away.

[@TomikaKelly]

How many degrees did she get? NO Bachelors costs $350K

[@dev_with_me]

My partner and I almost took on debt for them to get a masters degree. We decided to give the community college certificate a chance. They were able to graduate faster and we didn’t have to take on any debt. They got an internship this summer making $35/h with a job at the end. Do not got into debt for a degree when it’s not needed.

[@pitbulxdeaa]

Unless u want to be a doctor or lawyer, it's never needed 😂

[@jeffshackleford3152]

@@pitbulxdeaa Engineers as well.

[@cryptobungus5778]

@@pitbulxdeaa Anything in medical really

[@Tonixxy]

For them, multiple people?

[@dev_with_me]

@@Tonixxy yes exactly. You’re so smart.

[@fredvibe]

Film Graduate here and I must say what an utter waste: My story: Studied Creative Media in college and was good at it (only thing I’ve been good at). Teachers told me to go to university and study Film. I was pretty young at the time like 19 so I didn’t really know any better. I did want to take a gap year however but being in a African family doesn’t allow such things so did the film degree. My debt is not high like that Jesus but it’s still a waste in my eyes. Funnily enough I work at a university as the Filmmaker so I guess a job in my degree but we know how jobs are like an it’s paid pretty poorly so I guess I feel for the student who is going through this. I would take my degree back in a heartbeat

[@matane2465]

Another reason they jack up the price for Masters degrees is fewer people do Masters degrees, most people who go to school never finish. So if you actually make it that far your class size will be smaller. Gotta jack up that price to make up the difference.

[@pwieland3934]

Some of these programs are much worse than others... often they come out of elite schools and have the word "professional" in the name, and cost upwards of $20-25k a *semester*. They target working people who are interested in the prestige of the degree. Other traditional programs might be a quarter or half of that, and be more likely to offer grants, scholarships, teaching assistantships, but are geared towards scholarly research.

[@ArtHoward]

Sometimes you can't get a job BECAUSE you have a Master's degree! A friend of mine got his Bachelor's and couldn't get a job, so he went to his college guidance counselor. She said, "You should get a Master's." He got his Master's. Still couldn't get a job. Went back to the counselor. She said, "Your Master's degree may be intimidating people."

[@MattSezer]

I went to film school for undergrad at one of the schools mentioned in the article. I now make videos in financial services. Having a degree definitely helped me get into that segment because college networks are still pretty big in finance, but in most other areas, it doesn't matter as much. If I had to go into significat student loan debt, I never would have done it. That being said, I feel the problem with film school is that it's really only good for teaching you how to direct or have a high level creative position on a film; those are not entry level jobs, and the vast majority of jobs in film and video production are non-creative trade jobs. Film school 100% makes you a better filmmaker in ways that going out and spending a bunch of money on a camera doesn't. However, that's frequently irrelevant when grads can't get jobs.

[@pwieland3934]

Hi Matt, I just posted about my similar experience. Three of my former colleagues in corporate communications attended state university film/broadcasting programs - Western Michigan, Sam Houston and Texas.

[@hanman58]

At 26 I found out my parent has 300k in loan debt further solidifying not going to college for me even after the test anxiety and rusty studying habits

[@jameserickson5372]

Lmfaoooo I got a Columbia ad during this

[@FredySandoval_123]

An employee in debt is more easy to exploit. All is part of the plan.

[@TheBigExclusive]

*Things you can do at 18 years old in the USA:* Join the military and possibly DIE for your country // Go into TENS of THOUSANDS of Dollars Worth of Debt // "Vote". *Things you can't do at 18 years old in the USA:* Buy a beer // Rent a car // Enter Nightclubs WTF????

[@Nukestarmaster]

*hundreds of thousands.

[@brendanpospischil3871]

And I think the military thing can actually be only 17

[@javiersaenz1040]

You can get a driver license at 16 and drive a car.

[@cyberlord64]

You need to be immature enough to sign a piece of paper which will legally allow someone else to "force you" to do something your mature self would never agree to. If the act of drinking beer would allow some bank to milk you by the time you hit 40, beer would be offered for free in highschool.

[@75pdubs]

A head of a major marketing company told me not to go to film school. He told me to volunteer as a PA and grip at the local film school. I realized o didn’t like film making. But I learned a ton, met great people, and had a lot of fun.

[@dedsi8848]

I go to one of the best business schools in New York City, and even though the tuition isn't too bad compared to other schools, the learning experience isn't that great. If you want to experience what I do in college without paying for college, just look up the different courses required or the pathways for the degree you're interested in and buy the textbooks associated with them. They cost about >$100 compared to ~$70 that we buy them for, but just do the reading and the assignments and that's it. Aside from a few elective classes, every class has a professor that barely teaches and the textbook does more than the professor. Networking, sure it's a good incentive, unless you're online all the time or busy with class or homework or work. Joining a fraternity or a sorority is also good for networking, if you don't mind the drama and the multiple fees.

[@MadManX668]

4:37 art has its own rules such as layout, composition, structure, typography etc.. Yes, you can learn that yourself ( I guess ) but I'm 50/50 on that one. Getting feedback at my college really helped me but then again my B.F.A only cost me 20k ( Fashion Institute of technology, I recommend it if you are thinking of going )

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Any rule can be broken and justified by 'artistic choice'

[@MadManX668]

@@JoshuaFluke1 Im not disagreeing but it helps to know the rules before you break them

[@_baller]

Don't go to college period, anything over 80 grand is NOT worth it

[@LG-tw5vm]

Correct. Because that 80 grand will be $160,000 by the time you are done paying it.

[@gameer1010]

What if im only paying 500 bucks a semester

[@TheTaquitoProject]

Objectively wrong

[@leviwilliams9601]

What's even funnier is I am forced to pay for these peoples degrees .... Income tax is a disgusting system...

[@px-4596]

Just get a 3 year apprenticeship in plumbing.. Better than a 5 year History or Arts degree. And yeah, you can become a millionaire as a plumber.

[@TheSimba86]

People today go 6 figures in debt for a college degree, their parents went 6 figures in debt for a house

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

You can't go into debt for a house these days; they cost more than the degrees do and you're going to be competing with wealthier people and real estate companies on everything.

[@amynguy]

house appreciates atleast and you live in it

[@TomikaKelly]

The parents pushed them into college tho.

[@fofopads4450]

People blame this on the students bad choices. They don't realize bad choices that leave you bankrupt should NOT even exist, these should be prosecuted by the FTC. Since they see ppl education a business, then go ahead and do business, legit non scammy business.

[@kkirschkk]

soooo I should be able to take out way too much on a house loan, go bankrupt and then have the FTC sue on my behalf? At a point you have to take responsibility for bad choices. Sure some changes like allowing student loans to be removed in bankruptcy would help, but on the flip side most people likely would never get a loan approved and interest rates would spike a lot, so pros and cons there.

[@QuantumImperfections]

I went to college for art.... after 10 years as a Senior Data Analyst and i did it on the side with no debt obligations.

[@Ancano]

Occupational Outlook Handbook, everyone should study that before going to college.

[@RetireandGo]

Yes! More college cringe videos! Every week give us one please. Teach kids to just go to work! Invest, save, enjoy life

[@Kevfactor]

i did art in community college. One thing I realized is it's a skill based profession that only 5% of people have the talent to really make money in. the rest barely make more than a teacher does(who btw gets 180 days off!). I liked it and was much better than other things like CIT, but i quickly realized it was too much work for the time invested in it.

[@phxsisko]

My wife's Chiro degree was $250,000 and she knows other students who have spent $500K. I can tell you, it's not worth it unless you are opening your own practice and statistically most practices that open, shutter. Right now, she brings home about 55K on a 1099 (working in a clinic she doesn't own), so the taxes removed makes her comparable to a worker with an AA degree. The schooling system is a giant fucking scam and needs massively overhauled, from the schools themselves to these predatory loan companies. Schooling should be paid through taxes and shouldn't cost a penny to the citizen - an educated society is a benefit to everyone.

[@techjudge8049]

I'm glad you did this because the thing I didn't like about your business administration video was that it is FAR from the most useless degree, especially considering price. Nobody is hiring Gender Theory grads.

[@shashwatgandhi7653]

i have heard they become blogger for news companies

[@sophiagonzales8974]

I've got to admit its worth noting my dad had one and he used to work in the hotel and bank at some point in his lifetime.

[@n8style]

to be fair people are hiring Gender Theory grads....just not because they studied Gender Theory

[@kripus7006]

I noticed the Booty Bay statue in the previous video and thought it's very neat, funny you mentioned it in today's video. Keep it up Josh, you're awesome!

[@tonysoprano6265]

This is why I am working hard so that my kids if they want to be an actor or artist or something that they excel at then I don’t have to force them like my friends parents to be a doctor lawyer etc cause the parents are broke. REMEMBER: a failed business owner STILL has more knowledge than an MBA Harvard Grad.

[@fg4hg594]

Coming from Russian art school I must say there ARE ways to judge art and there ARE standards to which you shall learn and reach as an artist. You cannot just train your eye without actual person that can point out why your perspective doesn't work, why your shadows must be cold toned when you have warm lights, where would anatomy go, stuff like that. But it should be learned at high school times and NOT paid with college money because it's the same type of art ( I'm talking classical oil painting here) as sculpting or working with woods so you do need to be trained for that but it doesn't worth billions of bucks. Especially in US they simply don't teach you building complicated figures, coloring, art understanding. My husband took two years of art degree college - didn't even knew reflex lights, ridiculous. Although I saw people from art colleges here in US I can tell they lack that professional European base.

[@mcjon77]

Meanwhile, there are online masters programs in computer science, data science, cyber security and analytics from top tier schools for $10K or less.

[@404TRUCKERTV]

OMG, like im tearing up, its just sad. 😢These kids have no perspective of how much money that is. More then 20k is too much, entry level employment paying $45k will never allow repayment. My house has $90k left on my mortgage, and I drive trucks making $65k a yr. These kids will never see the day of light with that amount of debt.

[@markusgorelli5278]

Our govt (erm, I mean taxpayers) began to subsidize tuition fees 50% then 100% for undergrad and 50% for masters. Some people became career students, failing and repeating and switching programs. Tuition fees across the board shot up. Now it's rolled back. Ppl now have to qualify for a means test - probably how it should have been from the start and tough luck if you fail your exams unless you got a good reason - medical or something. It was good for a time I guess, it encouraged ppl to strive for more education (even if not better education, lol).

[@the-anti-theist]

I attended Capella University got a Bachelors degree in IT then decided to go for my Masters degree. The school told me it would roughly cost me another 40k but I noticed that with just 2 courses I was already above 5k in debt! I also noticed how they would send me email stating they would take off 1k off my bill if I signed up for more classes. In the end I ended up getting my money back due to being part of the Sweet v. Cardona settlement. Do not attend Capella University it is a diploma mill!

[@Stszelec01]

4:23 fun fact most bridges that collapsed were probably designed by people with degrees...

[@deadreckoner5276]

Designing and constructing are two different professions. Responsibility doesn’t just fall on design engineers.

[@chrisbitus1328]

Man.. this world is getting more and more depressing for new generation. Unpaid internships, no jobs, 4+ yrs experience for entry level positions, costly degrees.... Idk how will all this end up but it's certainly not a happy life.

[@fredred5037]

Their will be a social/economic rock-bottom reached by about the year 2035. Then everything will reset completely. This is a good thing to look forward to.

[@jaycool9480]

Yeah I saw this story. I'm a Radio/TV/Film graduate. I only have undergrad debt which is still at about 19K after 7 years of paying off a good amount. I still work in the industry but your success in the entertainment industry is based on your connections and who you know. Nobody successful in the entertainment industry got to where they are without knowing people. The assistant jobs are the most coveted positions and the competition for them in Hollywood is fierce even though they pay like shit and there's no benefits. The competition to work at media companies for those EL PA or Assistant editor positions are hard to get as well cuz not only are grads competing with each other, but they're competing against the freelancers who couldn't find a job after graduation so they created their own job and started freelancing, and the referrals. The job outlook in FIlm/TV in the 2020s is looking bleak, we just passed the golden era of TV in the 2010s, and now it's kinda like in limbo. But ppl go to those Ivy league MA film programs or even undergrad because its the brand name and if you got an education from there, you're legit. You're ready for the big leagues. To me, life experience is the masters program. I wouldn't go to school for a Masters in film because its a worthless degree and all you're paying for is the connections and you're not exactly boosting your pay range with that either. Just go out there, rent a camera for a week, write a short script, and make something. Trial and error. If you need to raise money to pay for it, make it. You can take that 360K and make a low budget feature or many short films or even a web series with that money.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

My friend has made, produced streaming content(film, shows), some producer/film stuff. I agree you can get skills, network on films but in 2023; you need to PLAN, be safe, be organized. Many people enter the TV-acting-media industry few are still there 5yr 10yr later.

[@tonysoprano6265]

Totally agree. Only degrees to go for is Engineering(Unless you can learn math and physics, learn other courses and take FE exam and then PE exam then you can do it WITHOUT college). Same goes for CS you can learn on own or boot camp BUT it really comes down to can you self learn. IF I HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN. Start learning a skill digital marketing, Programming, sales, something that propels you to next level while living with parents THEN invest in index funds, real estate AND then by 21 you would probably accumulate at LEAST 50k. 50k at 21? I know people who live paycheck to paycheck and others who are 36 can’t afford to miss a day of work otherwise they are homeless. Believe me

[@miscelaneasdealguem]

I'm glad there are free universities in my country. At least people can waste 4-5 years of their lives on useless degrees for free. 😃👏

[@tonydanatop4912]

Lucky…Do you have any idea how many art degrees I’d get 😅 if they were free(I basically study that shit as a hobby)

[@ComoPz]

I'm from Colombia, with a costless degree in Philosophy, and I agree with you 🤭🤭🤭 However, my degree had help me in the professional world.

[@Johnaq]

There are no free universities or free education as the taxpayers funded and bear the burden.

[@hilawes]

Not free, there’s a cost.

[@patriciaszabo8015]

@@hilawes But expectedly americans in general hate to pay tax.

[@Cry2Deep]

Here in Germany, going to university is (almost) completely free (260€ ~ 300$ per year). So here it's worth studying "art" and corresponding things. Self-taught is always a bit overrated. Why do all good/great sportsmen have coaches? Why do all good musicians have teachers, even if they are performing very well (masterclasses)?

[@TheMKUNN]

This, you're supposed to go to university in order to get some expert knowledge and skill that would be very hard to get on your own.

[@D3tmanamaps]

I study at a German university that is one of the best 30 in the world, and since universities in Germany are funded by taxes, I only pay 300 euros a year 👁👄👁

[@dodi6841]

Ein Luxus. Welche Uni?

[@D3tmanamaps]

@@dodi6841 LMU München 👍

[@ThePresident001]

European loving in Germany and this country is really awesome 👌

[@ThePresident001]

@@aerloman it's all paid for through taxes, everyone contributes to everything. I'd take this system over 100k debt any day.

[@Samymaniac]

@@aerloman paying 10% more taxes for not worrying about anything in life is better than having no money, low taxes and paying for everything upfront. Lower class and middle class are benefiting from it big time

[@ravishekarkannan8853]

Josh : These videos are extremely beneficial to the society. I cannot think of any other website that would provide such real-world advice!

[@z.k.7472]

It always breaks my heart when i’m reminded that education is this expensive in the US. One would think, that it’s in the country’s best interest if the most talented/intelligent/hardworking people become the new generation of proffessionals….but no, they want people with money, that’s just so dumb honestly

[@DonCherrysDream]

Most degrees that are offered are scams to dupe people out of thousands of dollars and put them in life long debt

[@dos_gringos9853]

Most people also aren’t dumb enough to go to Columbia for film school either

[@alicelong3613]

Yes but when government pays for school, not everyone gets to go. It’s like that in Europe

[@z.k.7472]

@@alicelong3613 please explain, because i live here and everyone who wants to can apply

[@danysercia]

This speaks more about how fucked our educational system is.

[@CeeTeeUSA]

Most of the wealthiest people I know don't have a degree. Sadly, most degrees have been devalued, even STEM related fields. College worked from the 60s until around the 2000s. Unless you're doing medicine or law, or another specialized field that is lucrative, maybe it still works..

[@neelabhchoudhary2063]

You still need a degree so that HR can allow you to apply(stupid I know) but to get a decent job you need to learn the skills companies want. Do projects on your own and teach yourself. Use the internet.

[@PainAmvs_]

@@neelabhchoudhary2063 Get a cheaper degree than apply to these shiity jobs even if they ask for more experience. Sometimes you still get it lol.

[@jutau]

It hurts my head on seeing those loans. I had students loans, but I was able to pay that off in like 3-4 years after graduating. But starting the game at -$300k is just crazy.

[@nafnaf0]

I have a friend who started college with a film degree, but dropped out after creating a KZbin channel and making great money off of that.

[@Eoj24]

I met a journalist, really cool guy from universal city but now works in the central valley of CA and his parent spent like 100k for a b.a. and a master's. I thought that was even too much

[@xenonsan3110]

Fun fact about how college is also a scam: if you get a grant for research (regardless of major) the University takes about half your grant for "overhead". This is essentially used to pay for HR, tech lab, utilities and lab space, etc. Doesn't matter if it's a 50 million grant or a 500 thousand grant, they take roughly half anyway

[@Ty_Neadik]

Yes, but it depends, a portion of that grant money goes to the undergrad classrooms so.

[@xenonsan3110]

@@Ty_Neadik that is true. It really varies from university to university

[@CallousCoder]

Lol! I actually wanted to study at the Royal conservatory, but I totally bummed my audition. Then I wanted to go into the Amsterdam film academy and by that time, my spit was handed to another student. But I could enter next semester. To avoid being drafted I studied “1 semester” of EE. And thank his I finished that degree. Because it always kept me in work. And ironically I did more films than my film buddies, probably because of my background in EE and CS! The are like: “how did you get to do special effects creation at The Next Uri Geller? How did you land. Akin on Dunkirk? How did you get to work on an American indie movie?” And I just say: “it was all luck because of my EE and CS background and my mentalism act, I was act to consult on the next Uri Geller. Then through that I was asked by a production company after they’d seen my rapid inductions that I taught to the performers. To work on a hypnosis TV show, and the original creator even referred me. There I walked into a VFX supervisor over lunch. We got to talk. I became their “intern” and he called me up 10 years later to assist him in a shot for Dunkirk. When you’re in that loop people ask you to bid on certain shots. And that US indie, was solely because my fellow mentalism friend in the IS was a location manager for that indie flick as he is an urban photographer. Who was recruited to find locations. And when they had a partially matching location he said: I know a Dutch guy who may want to do this set extension for us.” It’s all who you know and not what you know. But they don’t teach you that at film school.

[@sebastienbolduc5654]

There's a huge industry that makes a lot of money off of telling you to pursue your passion/s in life. Universities are part of that industry. And people will pay big money to listen too what they want to hear, even if they know that what they're hearing isn't the truth.

[@tadeh1]

Joshua flexin' with the Red Cinema camera in the $50,000 range.

[@MrKillswitch88]

This is getting to be pretty typical of this parasitic system.

[@robbiem4624]

I graduated with a degree in Agri business because California being an agriculture state and i wanted something different than regular business administration. I graduated during the pandemic if 2020 and my hopes with my degree sunk, not to mention the previous summer when i would have done an internship i had a health issue and could do nothing but be home and recover. I graduated with just one degree which could have been two of a bs and a ba. I was turning 36 at the time, not married, no kids and graduated with no debt nor took out loans since i was an older college student and got grants. I felt robbed with my degree and don't get me wrong i like the professors and what i was learning but i feel like fuck. If I was not rushed to hurry and get my degree i could have gone to another college maybe online, got a degree in history, and tried to work for either the nation archives and records administration, or the state historical society.

[@NotShowingOff]

The thing is even in film you sort of have to have name recognition and skill. If you are a good costume designer or makeup artist or engineer for the sets, that’s value. I feel like too many ppl want to be a director without really knowing what goes into the entire process.

[@boldmusa4480]

Exactly

[@avinashtyagi2]

You don't need to go to college for things such as art, programming, business, etc. Unless you need a license that requires a college degree to receive (such as medical, law, public accounting, etc.), you don't need college

[@RandomGuy4964]

an old roommate of mine had his parents pay like $200k for an acting degree from NYU. this guy had one role through all of college in some random shitty play and wondered why he couldn't get any gigs after graduating even though he "had a degree from such a great school"

[@MrAmro007]

Fully supporting you Joshua and can't thank you enough for your hard work and for your time. God bless you and can't wait to see your next video.

[@davidgcosta]

I really do not understand how US citizens don't do anything to stop this. As a someone from outside of the US this thing of Student loans is really a odd thing to see.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

we are trying and in the mean time, many are just not going to collage or going for much more cheaper schools that they can pay off while in school. So now these schools are filling up with students on visa which is fine. But now bootcamps and over price online seminares are taking the place.

[@sarahconner9433]

In USA the president can pass an insane law.... The 8 or 10 years later the USA supreme Court says "yes that's an insane law, an throws it in the garbage" ..... But in the meantime....

[@galloe]

It's not going to stop because people keep paying. You think it's bad for US citizens? Out of state students pay more than in-state students, but it's even worse for international students, their tuition is way higher than it is for citizens/permanent residents, and many people come from other countries to get an education in the US (for some reason).

[@Jhihmoac]

How true! Who'd have ever thought that burger flipping has become a "degreed" occupation? Ditto cashier, car porter, shirt folder, waitress, lavatory cleaner, etc?

[@leonardobruno3953]

Those values are absolutelly out of this planet... In Brazil, the best universities are actually the state's, so they are free for the student. My 5 year engineering degree on a private university costed me about U$13.000 total.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

This is how it works in Europe as well, the USA's system is just screwed up.

[@casusbelli9225]

@@ZodiacEntertainment2 I am loving that some idiots look at USA and think they need "more free market" to fix that shit, despite the fact that education being a for-profit business brought up this problem in the first fucking place.

[@TheMKUNN]

Similar to what you said, private schools and universities in my country are mostly for people who couldn't get into a good state university or school, basically pay-to-win, so degrees from state institutions are valued much higher. Still, they are a good choice in some situations, like if you're already working.

[@Tom-tr9xv]

I'm studying Psychology at Bsc (not BA) in the uk, total debt £40000 so nothing like $300000. For my dissertation I'm doing cognitive psychology and have to learn two programming languages Python (which i already had experience with) and JavaScript. Its been a tough year im not finished yet but I've learnt a lot and ive been offered a place to study Computer science and artificial intelligence at masters level at a top 100 university that i really like the look of. I dont get why people shit on the degree so much.

[@azatecas]

ah yes college, the endless fight between being ripped off vs personal responsibility for choosing a terrible major.

[@teethnclaws]

Exactly. We pay way too much here in the states for secondary education and healthcare.

[@Hamza_Aziz]

lol community college is a thing and certs. I wouldn't pay over 20k for a 4 year degree.

[@nazart7830]

I have a film degree, worst decision ever. Seriously NEVER EVER go to university for a arts related stuff. I had to study something useful like international commerce and I'm barely making a living because I'm an idiot

[@bengrzybowski7671]

Yeah, but imagine the elite feeling of superiority when you get to tell someone you have a M A S T E R S degree.... and then quietly whisper you work at Starbucks when they ask what're doing now. Lmao.

[@albertastro3761]

The VA covered $300,000 for a BS and MBA because I’m a disabled veteran. I completed 5 years at the university and have $0 debt. After 9 years in the financial industry I earn over $170k annually… I like to joke, all my education cost me was an arm and a leg (I got blown up and shot).

[@alexlun4464]

Rule of thumb - if people's lives depend on how well you do your job... then you need a degree. Otherwise, that college degree ain't worth a loan.

[@jasonjackson1010]

I went to college straight out of HS but never finished. Years later I joined the military and was able to graduate from college with a degree in Computer Science, which the military paid for using tuition assistance. When I got out of the military I didn't get any offers in the IT field, but I received many offers in the Energy/Power generation & distribution field. (a job I did in the military). Today, I earn six figures annually in that field. I highly encourage young people to explore all options, and to attain a skillset that people are willing to pay good money for before spending thousands of dollars on a degree. I have a degree, but I earn a living from a skillset I acquired in the military that cost me nothing.

[@tibbydudeza]

Quentin Tarantino was a video store clerk and did community theater, never did a course in film making.

[@iorekby]

Jim Cameron was a truck driver who would go to the USC archives and check out books and lectures on film theory and would spend about the same as a cup of coffee on the copy machine taking home what he needed to read.

[@33Jenesis]

College admin, salary, and pension costs are high. It is like non profit; $1 donation only 15 cents or less are used for the cause. Colleges private or public increasingly relying on high tuition to fund the operating and legacy expenses. The recruiters will eventually be like MLM recruiters, aggressive and ruthless in pushing for loan applications.