$400 Shoes vs $1300 Shoes | A Black Cap Toe Oxford Comparison | Kirby Allison

[@le_blake]

Me before the video: they're all exactly the same Me afterwards: wow those Allan Edmonds look like trash...they're all so different, what idiot would think these are all the same shoes?

[@MrEnlightener101]

Same haha

[@MrEnlightener101]

@Riki Rikin kanayin a pleb has been spotted. Disgusting

[@kxmode]

"Goes back to one of my fundamental philosophies which is to be really important not to get into a moral conversation about shoes or clothing or anything because there's nothing good or bad or right or wrong about any of these shoes. Both are fantastically made and of a high quality for their respective price point and depending on who you are where you like to spend your money. How you're gonna wear these shoes one might be right for you versus the other."

[@robertharwood1012]

Me too. Just putting all my shoes on eBay, devastated!

[@davidseth3449]

You articulated my exact emotion curve as well 😂 Just remarkable

[@lordwinter2315]

Now im gonna be wearing $1400 dress shoes with my camo shorts and a hot wing stained t-shirt.

[@archerpiperii2690]

Rock it!

[@purplefabian]

Baller

[@kylistic]

While I support all indevors toward outward expressiveness by way of fashion boundaries bending habits. And flouting convention in most respects. I'm not sure that the highly exceptional craftsmanship in those shoes wouldn't be wasted on the overall gutter sheek of that posited ensemble. Might in effect detract from the carefully placed Dave's red hot, and Tabasco paintjob. Better to go with a set of vintage combats, torn and painted vans or DC, flip flops. Or for real effect a par of Manolo Blahnik 3" pumps(?). But, alas, to each his own. And ultimately I salute your sence of irony. 😉

[@davidchang8428]

lol

[@danmar007]

"hot wing stained t-shirt" Nice detail! :)

[@hobopwnr1]

Imagine one day you are walking down the street in your Allan Edmonds and someone scoffs, noting the low stitch density as they look down at your shoe.

[@fionafiona1146]

Shine helps with that, soldiers tend to be polishing their shoes much more often than your average Joe and point out new people by the way the stitching still differs from the colour of shine usually staining them slowly.

[@woozy9112]

Buddha Soudan hahahah

[@George-vf7ss]

Peasants...

[@alankelly-hamm2702]

I would be so mortified that I doubt that I could ever walk down any city street again. Shocking, I cringe at the thought. But there is a lot of riff raff in the world, it could happen.

[@komuncents2172]

"Running late for you toilet cleaning lecture dear boy....peasants."

[@htht856]

I'm $1000 richer after deciding not to buy any of these, thanks Kirby, you're the best financial adviser.

[@IcejjfishTbone]

I would only recommend that of it is your hobby. If you only occasionally dress like this stick with something simple and budget friendly. Or invest the saved money. Enjoy the hobby

[@PlazDreamweaver]

@@IcejjfishTbone If you are purchasing an item, especially an article of clothing, for intended long-term use, even if it's occasional, you should invest into something high quality. Not only will it reflect much better on you in public, it will last a lifetime if they allow it to be re-soled with a goodyear welt.

[@PlazDreamweaver]

It's worth the wait to save the money.

[@htht856]

@jason camel I do have some cheap Sony headphones that do the job.

[@electrolyteblend]

When I shop I like to look for high-value at reasonable price. If you're interested in a very nice shoes for a fairly reasonable price check out Thursday boots dress shoes. They'll last just as long as the ones in this video and depending on your taste they might look just as good or better

[@CustomKirby]

I learnt a lot about dress shoes at 4am thanks Kirby

[@kirbyallison]

Custom Kirby 😂👍

[@thunder_moo]

this comment strikes way to close to home right now

[@julrocker929]

Custom Kirby lmao me rn

[@danielcristea4564]

Lol I’m legit watching this at 3:58 am😂

[@SZ-ZS-]

lmao... im here at 4:17 am.

[@805Franco]

"Hey bro, I just so happen to noticed your stitch density of your outsole."

[@anthonyparkinson5820]

Now that is funny.

[@MalakhiW]

😂😂😂

[@randallrg75g2]

hhahaha xD

[@BMWSEXFIFTYDROP]

805Franco Said nobody ever! 😂

[@BinkyDoinkus]

"I notice you like the more rugged look, over the more sleek look" "assuming your broke, and cant afford truly exquisite shoes" "therefore, I am better than you"

[@diegoconde2728]

I’m a shoe and western boots lover. I have about 50 to 60 pairs of boots and shoes but my knowledge about craftsmanship have gone to the top with your wonderful video.👍👍

[@SwordsmanRyan]

How many of those 50-60 pairs Thursday or RedWing?

[@kxmode]

I think it's amazing you gave that entire 30 minute presentation without a single linguistic filler.

[@kirbyallison]

@@MeatCatCheesyBlaster Actually no script used in this video! All done ad lib, with some pre filming notes made

[@jackknife1796]

@@kirbyallison Well explained. I hate filler uknow what I mean ye mate

[@20alphabet]

What a difference between his delivery and some black dude punctuating every sentence with "...see what I'm sayin?"

[@soil4good]

I totally agree. I mean, there were a few but regardless, way less than me talking about something way less technical.

[@briang3598]

Didn't keep a close watch, but found one at 4:38.

[@paske1924]

Not going to lie, I am not targeted customer for these fine shoes. However I do enjoy a well made video and did enjoy presentation of these exceptional shoes. Well done presentation Mr Allison. well done indeed.

[@20alphabet]

That's a lie!

[@20alphabet]

@@carennorthcutt7724 I didn't need to know that.

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

He didn’t like your comment. Idk why

[@777jones]

This guy knows how to talk/sell properly.

[@danstewart2770]

Bravo! A masterful presentation. The poise, the polish, the professionalism-it was an absolute pleasure to behold. Thank you, Mr. Allison.

[@jacksoni349]

I never knew I could watch a 30 minute video about 4 dress shoes.. love it

[@robsubs1234]

Thank you for the tutorial. Your knowledge about the shoes and quality differences is great. I like that you are able to communicate the appreciation of the finer details of the higher end shoes without invoking any snobbery. Very well done!

[@localchumb]

I'm about to hit 30 and just starting my wardrobe all over again. I can't thank you enough for all this concise information :) much appreciated

[@Xzizia92]

I'm in the same position, turning 30 in October. I have been watching this channel, the Gentleman's Gazette, The Elegant Oxford and others for inspiration and knowledge. I think it's a shame that grown men dress so horribly in this day and age... we need to keep the bar up :) cheers

[@donnielim8652]

@@Xzizia92 im turning 30 in Oct as well! Planning to guft myself the shell cordovan tassel loafers frm Alden:) They are the one that help Horween boost their sales when they were the first company to work with Horween for their cordovans and they invented tassel loafers:) Best combination for quality and heritage

[@Xzizia92]

@@donnielim8652 Those are a classic piece for sure! Wish you the best with your purchase and your 30's man! :)

[@АлексейСавченко-э5ф]

I’m a huge fan of Carmina. I bought them back in the day when I didn’t have a clue about quality. And after some time I started appreciate them much more

[@huskyjerk]

For the money, Carmina's look to be my favorite of all those.

[@mauriciolacruz]

​@@huskyjerk So is mine, too. 👍🏻

[@edf2953]

I learn so much from all your videos, yet this video highlights the subtle and sometimes not so subtle differences between $400 shoes and $1300 shoes. Little did I know how different these shoes are made/constructed and how each shoe adds value in its respective price point. Very informative and useful video for anyone learning about the nuances of the shoe manufacturing business. Great video!

[@kylecopeland8]

I know this came out awhile ago - but I really appreciate the level of education here AND the message at the end. No judgement / morality about what is best for someone else to buy has no importance to what anyone else buys.

[@brittanymcdonaldbarr1106]

Same feelings here.

[@alphaalfalfa9489]

Yesterday my lawyer wore Allen Edmonds to court. Today I have a new lawyer...

[@positivevibrations6110]

This comment: 🤣😂🤣😂🤔

[@davidkirberger]

"Always hire a rich lawyer, always buy from a poor salesman." That's what I was taught...

[@TYOrder1]

What a peasant.

[@tikimaine]

Buddy Kermit 😱😂😂😂

[@TeensierPython]

i wouldn't be so picky. sounds like you can't afford a good lawyer.

[@midwestmutineer7675]

Definitely DO NOT take a shot every time he says "black cap toe oxford".....

[@keltonearl4688]

*dies*

[@TheTaytay198]

Jama Brown I almost typed the same shit.

[@antonsebastian6484]

unequivocally

[@angelalane2136]

17 shots in 30 minutes...hmmm...🤔

[@TheTaytay198]

Angela Lane huh?

[@Hogavich]

Thanks for introducing me to Carmina. Such a huge improvement for a minimal price increase. I got tired of Allen Edmonds quality control issues and needed something better. Thanks Kirby!

[@mauriciolacruz]

Carmina is TOP quality for a reasonable price. No other maker will give you more (already TOP!) than Carmina for that price.

[@hqi1321]

Not only is he a connoisseur of shoes, but pencils as well. Liking that Palomino Blackwing Pearl pencil you got there. #stayclassy

[@positivevibrations6110]

I loved the pencil too. Nurses notice everything....

[@mauriciolacruz]

Made from Japanese graphite. 😉

[@albriseno2428]

What an absolutely perfect video. I really appreciated the way you explained each shoe and how they differ from the others. I think many of your followers will use this as a starting point when they are deciding which shoe to purchase. I know I learned a great deal from it. I have several Allen Edmunds and now Cleverleys and can appreciate the difference. Well done Kirby.

[@meemahmcdoogle]

I woke up this morning, not knowing how much I enjoy learning about quality men's shoes. I am saving money now, for my grandson's first 'real' pair!❤

[@TungstenCarbideTempe]

You-Hey girl wanna gimme ur phone number? Her-all depends on ur shoe stitch density..

[@IcejjfishTbone]

Bruh tell me where to find a girl who likes the details of classical men's fashion. Like Bruh they the same time to buy $1000 heels and complain I bought $1200 Edward greens

[@SolarAbyss]

I own two pairs of Converse and a pair of Bates, clearly not into shoes; but this guy has me wanting to buy a pair of Carminas tomorrow.

[@adlanhaziq]

SolarAbyss The ‘Jumper’ Boots, especially. One day eh

[@SolarAbyss]

@@adlanhaziq I actually looked up Carmina stores but the closest is in Salt Lake City. Really surprised they don't have one in Chicago or Austin.

[@tesssttest6637]

All these shoes are great, but when you get down to it, you really do NOT need anything better than Allen Edmonds. Pick them up all day on sale, or clearance for around $250, Probably have a look at Dainite soles also.

[@watchaone4400]

Clarks build a beautiful shoe well made and long lasting plus they dont cost 12.00.0 no shoes worth that plus i suspect the shoes will cut into you like a razor

[@FrancisoDoncona]

He is a salesman.

[@jonwalker2929]

Kirby - This is one of your best videos. You are getting incredibly comfortable and fluent in front of the camera.

[@SuperBullyone]

Wow, and I was so proud of having a pair of Allen Edmonds Cap Toe Oxfords. The thing that makes me want one of the more expensive shoes is the craftsmanship. I am so impressed.

[@adrianramirez7667]

For a regular Joe S’moe doing research on men’s wear, including shoes, this was very educational and exactly what I was looking for when it comes knowing about differences in quality at the higher end. Thank you.

[@PB-wr2oy]

As owner of each pair of shoes that is described by Kirby, this review is spot on! Excellent content as always. Thank you Kirby!

[@kirbyallison]

Thank's, Pawel! Based on your extended wear, which has stood the best test of time?

[@PB-wr2oy]

@@kirbyallison Gaziano & Girling on par with Edward Green. The most comfortable pair straight out of the box was Carmina and surprisingly their Rain last has been the best fitting RTW shoe I've experienced so far. I don't wear my Allen Edmonds anymore but they were great comfortable shoes to start my career in banking.

[@ayrplanes]

My father wore the same pair of English made dress shoes every Sunday for over 40 years. He had them re-soled four times and they still looked great. The high price is not so high if you keep them and care for them. Otherwise they are a needless extravagance.

[@zackarydryer7048]

I went crazy when I first got into shoes and bought like 15 pairs. I haven’t “needed” to buy another pair of shoes in years and haven’t regretted a single purchase. Plus, for Allen Edmonds at least, you should NEVER be paying full price. Wait until after Christmas and you can usually catch them for like 70% off.

[@mauriciolacruz]

The thing is that any shoe enthusiast will end up, like in any other hobby, collecting, or even worse, hoarding, and that will be a problem for your wallet. 😅

[@transtubular]

It amazes me the little things people who have money to spare focus on to justify the cost. On both sides...the craftsman making them as well as the customer who can buy them. I personally would never buy any of these shoes, not just because of their cost but because as a leather craftsman myself, I understand a bit more how these are made and why none of that makes them better. Stitch density is purely for looks as it literally punches more holes in the very material that is holding on to that seam. It requires significantly less force to tear that seam away than one stitched at half or less holes per inch. I know as I personally experimented with the number. The hidden stitching on the outsoles is very useful but the nearly polished finish is not. Finished leather can be very slick, especially on smooth and/or wet surfaces. Personally I prefer a synthetic sole. Leather was only used for so long because we lacked any other flexible, durable material to use.

[@Imrahildedol]

Yeah, "Good value" my ass. Good value is a 100$ shoe you'll have for 10 years that 99.99% of people will never be able to differentiate from these 1500$ luxury shoes

[@julianmcfarlane8445]

They last a lifetime with a little care. It can be cheaper in the long run.

[@jimdavis6519]

Sounds like u should start making some cap toes my man, probably hire someone else for marketing,people like leather soles, because it reminds them of good times or maybe a family member

[@utubesignupblows]

VERY TRUE!

[@JacksonKnives]

@@julianmcfarlane8445 That's a good justification for going from Dockers to AE, but $1300 for shoes you can't wear in the winter doesn't make sense to most of us. (Now, a nice pair of boots...)

[@MasterGamer88]

It's always interesting to see how different price points effect the quality of some things or if you're really just paying more for a brand name. Great review.

[@jamesrasmussen9281]

This is the same way that sneakerheads talk about Jordans. lol. I love seeing somebody speak about something they're passionate about. Really cool video. IMO the Gaziano and Girlings are the LVL 99 of these 4 pairs. Top Notch

[@scumm1075]

akhenatuh those $1300 shoes probably only cost like 350 or 400 to make, thats just how stuff works of course a $130 shoe is going to cost $20 to make

[@gregorythomas2674]

Keep in mind. The passion is not for fashion. Its for an elitist "have and have not society" that he wants to reinforce. He hates fashion and has said so himself. Just be clear what you are watching here. He would regurgitate at the thought of being associated with "street people" and their low brow clothes.

[@shayslay3416]

@@gregorythomas2674 yeah you can tell that by his intro "the well dressed" i was like wtf? Lol. Normal people cant tell the difference between a $400 plain black dress shoe and a $1300 plain black dress shoe unless one is more shiny or dirty/beat up. Id rather pay the $1300 for a jordan or yeezy/sneaker. At least they look different for the money instead of plain black.

[@IcejjfishTbone]

scu mm. That's the price of the materials crafting them in that way is a different story

[@IcejjfishTbone]

ShaySlay. This is what you don't get about classical men's wear. Men interested in classical men's wear do not wear it to impress others. When we do it's mainly for special occasions or work. We don't care if someone else knows the details or not because they matter to ourselves. Now don't get me wrong I love street wear and I'm a Nike dunk fanatic and would be willing to pay over $3,000 for a pair, but the average joe doesn't care and that's fine because they are special to me. I like Rolex, but not to impress other people , that's why I wear the most simple Rolex. All in all we don't dress to impress other people this is our hobby and we love the details.

[@butchcassidy2985]

One thing I know--that I was once blind and that now I can see; thank you Kirby Allison.

[@asadmehmood5587]

Wtf

[@cedric717]

This is a great video. I too, have graduated from entry level great shoemaking to high-end mens RTW and MTO shoes. You explain the differences very well, as I have had to numerous times to my wife, family members, and friends why I seek higher grade shoes, and why it matters. In the fashion industry where the markup can be as high as 400% simply by adding a name brand to an item, men's shoes are more often priced according to style, craftsmanship, and quality of materials used to make the shoes. The details matter to shoe connoisseurs, and it's one of the first things that we notice.

[@kirbyallison]

Cedric Carroll What are your current brands of choice?

[@kirbyallison]

Female fashion a totally different beast. Buying habits totally different.

[@cedric717]

Kirby Allison I am into Vass right now (9 pair, 1 more MTO on the way). I really like the look of the F,U, and K last, and the weight of the handmade craftsmanship feels like I have something special on my feet. I have many brands in my closet (Carmina, EG, Ferragamo Tramezza, and many more, but Vass are my current favorite.

[@speedbrknek]

Kirby, great work here. Can’t help but wonder what you’re wearing right now.

[@hasseygolf]

I stumbled across this video and watched the whole thing. I really liked how the Mr. Allison paid each shoe respect. So well done I'm going to check out Kirby Allison's site. Thank you for this video.

[@MustafaHirji]

Kirby, this is the video I've always wanted to see--someone walking through different price points of shoes to really explain what you pay for at each level. This is what I desperately needed when first buying quality shoes to know how to differentiate options, and tell where one is getting appropriate quality for money, and where one might be paying only for the brand. Bravo on this video! I'd love to see a follow-up where you look at some other brands (e.g. Crockett & Jones) and maybe even some of your bespoke black cap toes. As someone who regularly wears both Allen Edmonds and bespoke George Cleverleys, I wholehearted agree with you about not being moralistic about different levels of shoes. I actually think a pair of my Allen Edmonds are my most beautiful shoes--they've developed a lovely patina over the years, with frequent wear and periodic quick polishings (not even putting the time in to do fancy mirror polishes). I get more joy wearing them than my bespoke Cleverleys despite the Cleverleys (which I do love) obviously having a much better fit and the better finishing (though, only I and no one else will notice that, unlike the patina on my Allen Edmonds). I think this reinforces the ethos of your channel and business: taking care of your wardrobe can make it more valuable and beautiful, as long as you are starting with something at a minimal level of quality.

[@watchaone4400]

May i sugest a clarks shoe great shoes well made realy good

[@frankrizzo7185]

THIS video is why I enjoy this Hanger Project channel, thank you. Apparently I am ready for a pair of Carminas! Well done Mr. Allison.

[@kirbyallison]

PN Captainpn 😎😉👍

[@craigamiclever7952]

When I was a young man ( in the 1970’s) I always bought Church’s black dress shoes, in the late 90’s I moved to Cole Hann. Haven’t bought a new pair in 20 years but your video makes me want to get out the billfold. Probably won’t as at this point, the shoes will surely out live me. Thanks, very entertaining.

[@runawayfaeIX]

Dornstar sent me... And I'm so glad I came! I love learning all the technical terms and marveling at the craftsmanship involved.

[@Saternoc]

Seems like Carmina is the best bang for your buck within this range.

[@inef85]

Spanish shoes, in general, are quite comfortable. Many people here wear nice shoes everyday, everywhere. And not everybody is rich, so usually you can find nice things that last a long time for decent prices. It's not odd to hear about dress shoes or heels that someone purchased 8+ years ago. It's also true that people here tend to wear appropriate footwear for the season and occasion. Sport shoes for running, very stylish casual for work, dress shoes for events. Winter shoes or boots when it's cold/rainy and lighter fare in summer. Women and men here swear by several Spanish brands because they can be worn all day (comfort/practicality is prized almost as highly as style). And in southern Spain you can find shoemakers with quality hand-made, leather shoes, propperly welted for less than 200€ with the benefit of a local cobbler who knows how to work on them ( Palanco, for example ... m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYGxfZmwbMZ2pqs ). There is still a culture here of fixing and maintaining men's and women's shoes (as apposed to throwing them away). I have great soft leather Pikolinos casual shoes which, after lot of street miles, I refurbished into tango (dance) shoes. They must have cost me maybe 120€ four years ago and they are my new favorite dance shoes. My wife has many nice pairs from various brands that are 5+ years old (some that are 10+). There are brands like Carmina (and other designers w/crafstman pedigree) but also several mid-range brands (Wonders, Campers) that are great everyday wear and even sport shoes (Joma). I'm no expert in shoes, by any measure... but simply living here -- it's something that you notice. In any event, I've never owned Carminas but it's a respected brand. Entry to that range is ~400€ but you can find really quality shoes for half of that as well. Beyond 200-300€, you're really basically paying for style and name brand ("nicer", "prettier", "cooler" yes... but not necessarily "better made"). Just my opinion. I don't sell shoes and am not Spanish.

[@earthknight60]

@@inef85 For excellent shoes in Spain you do't even need to go that high, I got a fantastic pair of handmade leather men's dress boots in Spain for €69 (end of the year sale) a few years back. Without the sale I think they were a bit less than €200.

[@dalepres1]

I've never owned more than 2 pair of shoes at a time in my life; often, as a kid, I didn't own any at all. Now I find myself looking at 500 to 1300 dollar shoes - and actually considering buying them.

[@louio]

​@dalepres1 your last sentence, me too....

[@wparo]

Apart from this detailed description of these lovely pairs of shoes, your suit is really excellent. I wish I could have some style like you. I always end up looking like I've just finished filming an episode from the deadliest catch.

[@FiveMinuteSneakerTV]

Carmina seems to be the best value 🔥🔥

[@dontbestupid6664]

idk why the hell im watching this. but this guy had me hooked with his presentation.

[@martyn6145]

Don't Be Stupid It’s because he’s wearing good shoes.

[@johnfrei9057]

That was one of the most thorough and thoughtful reviews of any product I’ve ever seen.

[@virkill3408]

I don’t know why I’m watching this video, I’m just an unskilled worker at a factory for god sake

[@silentinvestor]

Your not unskilled pick up a skill and you will learn

[@icedcoldkilla]

I have a feeling you will be much more than that in the future.

[@jimdavis6519]

Because these shoes will be around longer than we are

[@PrestigeNumismatics]

Don't sell yourself short. Life is what you make of it. Strive to better yourself and the World around you will fall inline.

[@malthus101]

Treat yourself to a pair of fine English shoes - on Sundays, you will be the best dressed man, wherever you should choose to go.

[@najeebahmad3103]

I learned a great deal from this video, and there is nothing like seeing the nuances of fine craftsmanship

[@Escobarguzman7000]

Best video I've ever seen, explaining the intricacies in the making of luxury shoes. Thank you. I will be getting the Carminas some day, soon.

[@frankmai1824]

You’re killing it with the contents in the past few weeks. Good work man

[@JustinHEMI05]

I agree. He's really taking this channel to the next level. I've enjoyed witnessing the evolution and wish him continued success.

[@jrivera457]

Love seeing these differences. Have been a fan of Carmina and Edward Green for a while but really love John Lobb. Great video

[@wardad5628]

Over the last year I have picked up two Pais of gently used AE. I love them. They will last for years due to good care. Thanks Kirby

[@thomasbailey895]

I like how down to earth you are in this video. Great advice for anyone.

[@williamhbonney3326]

Lol

[@damonedmonds6157]

Suddenly I’m not feeling so great about my crocks! :/

[@n00bstacle]

Crocs are still the superior and more fashionable shoe for any occasion

[@yliberal6355]

Damon Edmonds LOL

[@Longtack55]

My $12 Croc knock-offs with a 6mm EVA sole glued are my most comfortable but soooo uncool and smelly.

[@steveeab2364]

Sporting some Crocs while enjoying this video

[@wardad5628]

@@n00bstacle quintessential

[@RWJSJG]

I was unaware of shoes being so expensive glad i found this video. Now I know what I can ask for Christmas 🎄

[@SeraphimKidd]

Me before this video: "These $40 Target dress shoes are pretty comfy" Me after this video: "Guess I'm buying some Carminas."

[@dremoore81]

Me too

[@bodiestevens9845]

I have Allen Edmonds and Cole Hans both will last you a long time, The Cordovans from Allen Edmonds wears the best of any shoe I have ever owned.

[@wolfsden6479]

Cost per use

[@wilwiljames1]

@@bodiestevens9845 I'm a old guy well into my 60's, Cole Haan was once a good shoe but i wouldn't buy another pair unless it was to save my life and believe me Cole Haan is not on the level of Edmond Allens.

[@seabass8154]

@@wilwiljames1 Yeah, it has really gone downhill these days.

[@citl6489]

"it's huge you know, i could fit two fingers in there" yep that is a sentence not to take out of its context

[@The-End-is-coming]

You also have to pay an extra $1000 to get do it.

[@johnbartel5229]

I have worn Allen Edmonds for 35 years and have found them to be the best shoe for me. All my dress and casual shoes are the same brand and size. No doubt there are better shoes but the price prohibits me. I am satisfied with my Allen Edmonds. And yes, I still have and wear my first pair 35 years later due to proper care and recrafting. And, trees in every pair I own. I spend less on suits in order to have better shoes. Great video. Thank you.

[@17Peloton]

Crazy that $400 is considered an exceptional value. He lives in a world that I don't.

[@fionafiona1146]

Price per were 600-1000 days per sole (100$?) and 4+ soles is 4k wares at 800$ or a quarter a day.

[@IAMmrhardcore]

well you can also find ae shoes on ebay for like 80% off used

[@pipingyourmama]

ebay all the way. Those allen Edmonds are like, $100 on there on average and in decent shape

[@IAMmrhardcore]

Yep I got my first two pairs of ae strands in college for $40 and $50 respectively. As far as new goes you can get factory seconds or clearance sales. Dont have to be living in a world of abundance to own a pair of durable dress shoes

[@salehalsheikh1586]

@@fionafiona1146 good point

[@sie6205]

Very informative video - really enjoyed it thanks. Though gotta say, it's a sign of who's got wealth that not once did he mention comfort, everything was just about finish lol!

[@kirbyallison]

si E At this level, comfort is more an issue of fit than anything else. And that so particular to the wearer and the shoe.

[@MMM88X]

As always, great video Kirby. I see what you mean on the Park Avenues regarding the 6 eyelets and the short cap, but I think that's what gives it the classic American look, which I'm very much a fan of. A much missed shoe, and in fact a competitor to the Park Avenues, was the Johnston & Murphy Georgetowns, from their highest Crown Aristocraft line, entirely made in the US, with incredible leather and some features of the more expensive shoes (refined last, fudging, wheeling, etc.). Cheers.

[@francischoo1812]

There is so much science to a good shoes. Thanks for making this easy to understand.

[@kirbyallison]

Francis Choo Really more of an art than anything.

[@andjelkovicjasmin2954]

There is science for almost everything, the strength behind it, must be to explain it in a simple way.

[@nsastef]

why am I watching this. I can barely afford a 40 dollar Zara shoe

[@Shantanushetty33]

Never ever buy shoes from Zara, they literally buy it from my neighbours shoe manufacturing plant at Agra, India at an average of $7 a pair, they're poorly made.

[@AB-nb2ic]

Goals. You will own a pair of Carminas

[@AbeVanDyke]

#DrunkLife right here.

[@mikestanley4457]

GoldHunter do you own a cell phone that costs $400 plus? If yes you will probably throw it away after a few years. Now imagine being on your feet all day in something as comfortable as these shoes and being able to repair them to make them last for a couple decades. Seems worth it right? If you have Nordstrom Rack near you you can get Allen Edmonds at great discounts. If you want a more rugged boot for casual wear then look for red wing iron ranger or wolverine 1000 mile.

[@LargeEnsemble]

Point taken. But if it is entertaining, then watching this video was surely worth it.

[@eepower]

This is a great review. I personally appreciate the details and passion making this video.

[@Weebs_00]

Edward Greens owner: “ So the peasant folk, they buy these Allan Edmonds?””

[@BenTramer]

Kirby (or anyone), What are your thoughts on Crockett and Jones? Why weren't they reviewed here? Thank you.

[@zyyl1949]

Very good brand, although for my personal taste I’d go for Vass which are in the same price range

[@bridog2663]

"I had 4 pairs of Allen Edmonds in college" !!! That summarizes Kirby's passion pretty well :)

[@Sanchofiris99]

I wear the Allen Edmonds daily. The Carmina's I wear for Board meetings and the Edward Green's on special occasions. All three brands have been excellent and highly recommend them in terms craftsmanship, quality, comfort and applicability.

[@SK-te4sd]

When do you wear you're Crockett & Jones?

[@Sanchofiris99]

@@SK-te4sd I've never purchased a pair of Crockett & Jones. They have been highly recommended by a few colleagues.

[@Deavo56]

That makes perfect sense. I don't have any board meetings, and any special occasions for me, I'll wear my nicer pair of AEs. My regular AEs any other time I'm not wearing Red WIng or Alden boots. If I had board meetings to attend, rest assured I would have a pair of Carminas, or similar quality.

[@satanicmonkey666]

'Spacial' occasions huh? Sounds important.

[@ericday4505]

@@Sanchofiris99 How about Feragamos, do you own them.

[@gangatalishis]

I think the carmines are the best out of the whole lot. I can notice a difference in the stitching when compared to AE. I would grab em on sale.

[@tonytunnell9873]

I'm a carpenter a man who works with my hands ,a craftsman ,my boots for work are Red Wings. My every day are Tony lama. I find this guy fascinating I am his his newest subscriber.

[@JOHNWAYNE1920]

I bought Allen Edmond couple years ago thinking it was crazy to spend $400 on a pair of shoes but decided it was worth it because they can be resoled and are the best. Then I watch this and now I'm depressed. Reminds me of what I always tell people. You have no clue what rich is.

[@thomasbailey4139]

AE are great.

[@senorstronk]

i mean they are fine shoes, but you could have got those same shoes for half the price.

[@ericday4505]

No Allen Edmonds are great, the reasons he like the others are kind of silly, who will know a stitch density, and invisible underneath.

[@jackblack4110]

Some people buy new iPhones every year (~$700) even though they aren't rich whereas a pair of good shoes can cost as much but last you decades. It's not that crazy if you think about it this way.

[@pa60pilot]

@jack black yeah, but I can’t check my Facebook feed with my shoe. ;). Priorities and all that.

[@zefdin101]

Kirby, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the way higher end shoemakers cut the upper to accommodate the ankle , and tend to have an asymmetric top line.. I love that about them and it sets them apart.

[@007-bourne]

This was a Masterclass. Thank you Kirby. I’ll never look at shoes the same way again.

[@calebshipley4448]

It's amazing to see that even at the higher level, there's still an incredible amount of practicality to all of the designs.

[@jarryda]

Before: What? We're too hoity toity for Florsheims and Eccos? After: Alright, I need to get me some of them Carminas

[@EadricRicmund]

Carmina shoes are amazing. Most shoe reviewers recommend them if you have "mid-level" budget for a dress shoes. Their Cordovans are virtually indestructible through normal wear and tear.

[@adamrice4559]

Very well said K.A. For me, the G & G's are it. Sure you don't usually see it but, that fiddleback sole is just beautiful.

[@FourIntoOne]

Well, none of these fasten with velcro, so im out.

[@wpl955g9]

They should make a fine leather monkstrap shoe where the buckle under the strap attaches by velcro. It'd be a little inside joke...

[@zguitarmaster]

Kirby Allison and commenters: Talk about the finer details of $400+ shoe craftsmanship, style and quality. Me: Waits for Clark’s to go on sale 🤣 I’m poor

[@kryptoniteee]

zguitarmaster haha me too. My topman pair cost £40

[@redmusichouse]

Me: heads to Walmart

[@watchaone4400]

Clarks shoes are actualy a good brand its just they dont rip there custumers off clarks have been making good long lasting shoes for decades i have psome beautiful ones thaat didnt cost the earth but look expence

[@TLCHobbies]

I am too but I just save up and look for factory 2nds AE sales.

[@vincentvincent4898]

zguitarmaster YOU’RE NOT POOR. YOU’RE JUST SMART WITH YOUR MONEY. THERE’S A DIFFERENCE.

[@atlbraves75]

Kirby said “I had 4 pairs of AE in college”. Lol I was was working for a bank for 2 years after college until I got my first pair of AE and I felt like the king of the world! Still wear them 15 years later and still on their original sole 😊

[@juancarlostroncoso4846]

I bought Allen Edmonds because of this video ! Thank you!

[@paulpanamarenko]

Wonder if any of his friends call him “Kirbs” or “K-dawg”?

[@IcejjfishTbone]

He was an investment banker. Lol. I wonder how him and other men interested in classical men's wear deal with the hate though. I find it hard at times having to justify the price of my shoes to someone's complaint about it and telling them "but you literally asked the price of my shoes, why does it matter that I spent 2k it's my money" . It's hard in this hobby unless you work at I bank (I plan to)

[@jennoscura2381]

@@IcejjfishTbone Good dress shoes are an investment. There are plenty of worse things you can blow 2k on. It's silly to complain about what people spend their money on. I don't get why some women spend all this money at the nail salon. I can paint my nails just fine myself. But if they like their fancy nails, good on them. It's their money.

[@cjpaul8571]

@@jennoscura2381 Thank you. So many people who would HATE this man have no problem dropping $500 on their 30th firearm.

[@cyrilhudak4568]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@oldnotwise71]

Fantastic education, delivered with knowledge, enthusiasm and with zero snobbery.

[@china8305]

You've ruined every other box store dress shoe for me. However, I mean this in a good way. I've learned a lot and will probably not look at any dress shoe the same again and I thank you for that.

[@robertrivas6159]

Great video. I do think the AE shoes are a strong everyday shoe. The others, particularly the last two are so expensive I would be worried about wearing them regularly.

[@davidkehr4730]

I guess that if one has the funds to buy these shoes, that's of little consequence.

[@tjs5770]

I’ve got a pair of J&M Georgetown Black Cap Toe oxfords, from back when they still had some production in the states. I worked for them right out of college and they used to have insane employee deals during the holidays. I got them for $75. They’re a hell of a $75 shoe if I do say so myself!

[@SomeoneSmarter]

"These shoes will still look good 75 years from now." In the year 2096 however, we will all switch to wearing hologram space slippers.

[@tonymaiettasr.7340]

Very good and informative video. 👍I love all those shoes. There's not a bad pair in the bunch. Each has its strengths.

[@kingdommindset1462]

Thank you Mr. Allison for being so kind. You are not, as i see it, being unfair to those of us who are not wealthy as some. You offer options in various price ranges, and you explain the differences without being condescending. I am going to save some money, purchase a few pairs of great shoes. It never really mattered to me, the differences between shoe makers, or quality. I've been educated!

[@UnderstandingThings1964]

cheap shoes: $400 Me: rocking my $35 nikes

[@davechapman7735]

and I got some $30 Chinese shoes and they keep my feet dry, especially when its not raining

[@IcejjfishTbone]

Dave Chapman I mean they all have their place. I'm into classical menswear, but I also collect Nike dunks

[@tims2532]

Wow. Those Gaziano & Girling have the most beautiful soles I have ever seen on a shoe

[@vijayaraghvank654]

Very nice and informative comparison. I am a shoe lover and have picked up lot of technical details in shoes from your channel Thanks Kirby .👍

[@ghostygallagher]

Carminas are good value, the GG look the best for me, thanks for the video Kirby

[@Andrew7244]

I said the same thing

[@Gehtdichnixanoder]

Honestly, the GG look the worst for me. One of the most important aspects of shoe construction, the stand of the heel, is, unfortunately, totally misconstructed.

[@tvaccount6211]

Fabian S. also, notice the lack of toe spring

[@brendonwu7797]

Drastically different. This video really made me appreciate the nuances of finer shoes more.

[@phaedrussmith1949]

Very informative video. Of note is that at 18:17 the pencil he pulls out of his pocket is a Palomino Blackwing 602, probably the finest pencil made. Class act.

[@elpuerco6059]

One more thing you seem to overlook is their relative comfort. Are those EG’s comfortable to come wear all day or just a few hours at an evening gala?

[@charlottehiker]

Assuming you have the right size/width, then yes they are absolutely comfortable to wear all day.

[@seabass8154]

Go bespoke for maximum comfort. Merely an extra grand.

[@mohammedmiah4678]

20:36 "if all you have is 390 dollars"!!! I wish i had that much to spend on a single pair of shoes. Rocking £40 clarks haha

[@jennoscura2381]

Ebay is your friend. You can get Allen Edmonds for less than 100 dollars in the US on Ebay. So go poke around Ebay and see what you can find.

[@charlesvanderhoog7056]

Great video! I finally could evaluate my Cheaney Oxford cap toe black shoes that I use when wearing a dinner jacket (tuxedo).

[@reginaldlagrone5082]

I like the heaviness and durability of the Allen Edmond's especially when I am at an outdoor event on uneven ground and unfavorable weather conditions

[@richardjreynolds6166]

That swan neck tho, OMG!!! game changer.

[@luisg8946]

@minute 24:54 he said (“BLACK COCK TOE ASS FORD) LOL

[@dr.robertippaso214]

Really nice to see someone who know what he is talking about and explains it extremely well.

[@countalma9800]

"It's those small details that really... provoke emotion!" Haha! Kirby, we love you! Thank you for another fantastic video! Very helpful.

[@kirbyallison]

Countalma 🙌

[@Gamblor10]

I think you should have also reviewed some more of the mid pack, suck as Crockett and Jones Handgrades or Alfred Sargent. You went from entry level, sub $500s right up to GG and EG!

[@frankrizzo7185]

I hope that video will be next!