5.0 vs 6.2? World's 1st Tuned 2021 Coyote F150 W/ Livernois Custom Tuning Beats up on Chevy's Best!

The 2021 F150 was untunable, That was until we cracked it, and opened up a world of possibility! We've already shown that nearly 40hp is left on the table with our 93 octane tuning, and here we see if the 6.2 Chevy really is faster than the 5.0 equipped F150. But, what happens when that extra power comes in to play? Watch and see what happens!

[@elvishernandez9230]

Thats nuts my truck smokes 6.2 all day no tune needed .. even after the tune that was sad af lol .. oz tuning the way to go 🔥🔥

[@kjrwhs2003]

On the first run it actually looked like you were starting to reel him in. Go a full quarter mile side by side, stock vs stock then repeat but with the tune. I think the Ford will reel in the chevy even stock vs stock

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

It looks that way, but both trucks hit the speed limiter, but the Chevy got there first, so that's where that little blip of gain was.

[@mrh3085]

@@LivernoisMotorsports both 10 speeds but what rear end gears do they have?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@mrh3085 The Chevy had a 3.23, and the Ford a 3.31, or in other words, about as evenly matched as can be. However, regardless of that, it shows exactly what we intended to show, that a tune makes a huge difference, from being 1-2 trucks behind in the Ford, for being 1-2 ahead! That's a huge improvement from just tuning!

[@daveclark3829]

@@LivernoisMotorsports 95% of the people on here will never get it but eventually they’ll have no choice but to understand.

[@amordeweso]

Real world only way the 5.0 “reels” it in is the plain and simple fact fords top end….. no one races a stock or Mildly modded truck to 140 where the 5.0 shines past 115🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Twizztify]

6.2 has more torque so it gets out first. After that, looks like the 5.0 stays with it decently well.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We'd agree with that. You see the Chevy gain some on the gear changes that better match the torque band.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

I'd argue it was gaining. At 2:36 it seemed like he was really gaining.

[@DJR5280]

@@nathanmcdonald610 They addressed this in another comment. The Chevy hit the limited first and that is why the Ford gained on it

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@nathanmcdonald610 On one race the Silverado let out due to traffic, and another it hit the limiter

[@drej]

Chevy 6.2 has that good low-end torque to pull, but the Ford 5.0 has better top end power, 1st stock run you were reeling him in at a good pace.

[@Al-vm4zx]

Nah he said the Chevy hit the limiter that’s why it looked like he was reeling him in

[@JOVANI7919]

I would like to see one of those aggressive E85 Tunes on the 5.0 where you have people reving them to 7700-8000rpm. Lots of crewcabs dipping into the high 11's with bolt ons and tune.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

with the new belt driven oil pump, we're going to hold off on crazy rpm stuff for now until it's proven itself.

[@davidvillarreal5320]

JOVANI They will never do it I have a 2020 f150 5.0 and all they did is argue with me on reason not to rev is that high wast of 600$ I can tell u that

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@davidvillarreal5320 The f150 has a thinner and less durable oil pump on the 11-20 trucks, and a belt driven pump on the 21+ trucks. Both of which do not fair well to high rpm.

[@ltxproductions8979]

Would love to see a race with both of them tuned

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Itll be a bit for that as we work on being able to tune the Chevy as well!

[@ltxproductions8979]

@@LivernoisMotorsports oh wow can’t wait for that 👍

[@kevinbreese5739]

You need E85. One of the great things about the Coyote in the F150 is it's already setup for it, as it's a flex fuel vehicle. Also, in those first stock races the F150 stopped his pull as soon as the speeds increased, but you let off as soon as that happened, I guess to make your post-tune results look better. No the F150 didn't get it's ass whooped stock for stock, and no it wasn't a car and half length difference, you just made it appear that way. They are actually very close stock for stock. All depends on the specific trim level, options (Weight) gearing, and the gas you run. Anyhow, My 2018 F150 XLT Supercrew 4x4 5.0 running an Omega E85 tune has no problem with those 6.2's. It's a relatively light truck and a monster up top.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

You're a few weeks behind, we already released results on our tuning when using e85.

[@hunterkennedy2429]

I’ve now owed both a 6.2 Denali and a 5.0. And this 5.0 I have now has 3.73’s. And I know my stock 6.2 would run door to door with a 3.55 geared 5.0. No matter how many runs we did we were door to door. So it’s all about gearing as well. A 3.73 geared 6.2 would stomp my 3.73 geared 5.0. But my truck now will match or outrun a stock 6.2 with stock gears I’m sure. Haven’t lined up a tried yet.

[@hunterkennedy2429]

@Corrie Elieff I haven’t taken mine to the strip. I just know on the streets what they will do. I ran a 3.55 geared 5.0 and I ran door to door. The 0-60 times are almost identical so it all comes down in my opinion it weight and gearing. I should take mine to the strip just to see what it would do. If I ever do I will let you know a time.

[@lawhitewidow4824]

@Corrie Elieff what gear ratio ? I got 3.23

[@johngarner9929]

Have a 2021 4x4 STX crew cab with stock 5.0 and factory 3:73 gears--runs neck and neck with 6.2 from standing start. The 6.2 walks away though during roll-on acceleration.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

With 3.73 gearing we would agree. But these trucks were purposely chosen because they were 3.31 vs 3.23, it as close as we can get.

[@johngarner9929]

@@LivernoisMotorsports Understood--like your content, no rhetoric, just good info.

[@davids184]

I have the same truck as you. I have their tune on my truck. You definitely need one lol

[@johngarner9929]

@@davids184 Lol--I'm an old man, Dave. The stock 5.0 with the 3:73 is just about all this old boy can handle. Previous truck was a '15 Ram 1500 with stock 5.7 and 3:92 gear ratio--it was pretty quick, but the F150 is much quicker.

[@davids184]

@@johngarner9929 They really are plenty fast stock too I agree.

[@eternalthread7846]

Those shift points are weird the 2-3 shift doesn’t seem to rev all the way out, some of the other shifts seem to be the same way, thats a big factor needs a trans tune

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Definitely. The stock calibration is all over the map (no pun intended), and we make it far more consistent. The interesting thing is that on the stock calibration, even when it shifted early l, it didn't really change the results vs shifting higher, that is until we tuned it though! Then that high rpm power actually did some improvements!

[@zonacrs]

Does your tune have the ability to disable cylinder deactivation and auto start stop? Thank you. My truck is a 2021 regular cab/short box 4X4 with the 5.0 and 3.73 axle ratio in case you need that info.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Yes we can disable it, you'd just need to request it at the time you send over your tune request.

[@dallaskiezik8111]

So a tuned 6.2 will slay, I’m betting 35hp increase under the curve from 2000-4000 rpm with only a 10ish peak with a tune.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Based on what we've seen, the gains are fairly accurate. However, we've had several f150 customers drop almost a full second in 1/4 mile time, something that we have not seen in the GM. We love them both, but tuned vs tuned, the GM is at a disadvantage.

[@Reggiestreet]

Put a tune on that 6.2 L and a ZR1 throttlebody and LT2 manifold on it with the long tubes and a cam Bet it would have close to 500 wheel if not more

[@daveclark3829]

Yeah and 5k miles later watch the engine sound like shit they’re fuckin junk

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

While we know there's potential in both, up until now the F150 wasn't tunable, so we needed to showcase the improvement, not find out mod for mod which truck is on top.

[@SirtubalotTX]

Coyotes can make 500 and more at the wheel n/a fairly easily.

[@JR10_RR]

2 things equally impressive: 1. How hard the stock 6.2L pulls. 2. Making up a whole truck length and a half from just a 93 tune.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

And it's gotten world's better since this first release!

[@levir27]

Can this tune work with the gen 5 whipple? I have a whipple getting installed on my 21 5.0 but from what people are saying is it’s still running stock tuning with the supercharger

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Not at this time, being these just started shipping out, and we just are to the point to prepare shipping units, we have not had any seat time with a whipple F150. From our understanding, these are further encrypted from whipple on top of the Ford encryption, so that will take time as well.

[@jetcity7156]

The tune works real nice!

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Thanks! We definitely think so as well!

[@mikecarmean1676]

Those coyotes are impressive especially considering it's down 1.2L over the Chevy

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We do agree, and they have plenty of potential.

[@rubencantu7683]

Down 1.2 L but that’s fords “badass” engine vs chevys regular 6.2 that’s tuned down from the ss camaro 6.2

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@rubencantu7683 This is technically not correct. The f150 engine is entirely different than a mustang engine. Cams, firing order, oiling system, intake manifold, cylinder deactivation, and more. Now, the Silverado does technically have a newer design engine than a Camaro, but that's because of the dynamic skip fire system. Power and component wise they're near identical. And in the last generation truck, they were mechanically identical. The only differences were external.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

@@rubencantu7683 Fords top shelf engine is currently the Powerboost which absolutely DESTROYS the GM 6.2L. With that said the 6.2L IS GM's ''badass'' engine, Let me educate you, the 5.0L was originally intended to compete with GM's 5.3L...You really want to compare the 5.0L and the 5.3L? Hell even the heavier slightly less powerful first gen 5.0L's would walk any GM 5.3L stock for stock, these newer more powerful aluminum bodied 5.0L's, you can forget it, you would have to tear down a 5.3L and do internal work on it as well as a good tune to make it competitive with a 2021+ 5.0L Ford. And you do realize the 5.0L in the F-150's is just a ''tuned down'' version of the Mustang 5.0L right? Same as GM's 6.2L.

[@rubencantu7683]

@@nathanmcdonald610 L86 is Silverado’s and etc engine, which has a different cam and different heads than the L99 which is in a camaro. Also the truck doesn’t have an afm, unlike the 5.0’s it is literally just a tuned down version that’s in the f150. Let me educate you, the 5.0 was meant to compete with the camaros 6.2, not a truck 5.3l. Why would Ford want to compare their car to a truck. That would just make them seem like a sort ass company so No, they wanted to compare it to an actual rival which is the SS camaro. And about the powerboost, you’re trying to compare a twin turbo/ electric engine to a N/A engine? That can barely make 394 hp and needs an electric engine to add the extra 36 ho to equal a whopping 430 hp? Don’t make me laugh my guy, shut your dumbass up and actually use your brain

[@foxwithshades7080]

Honestly it be cool if the put 25k in mods on these trucks and see where that takes them. I have a 2020 RST 6.2L and he has a 2020 XLT Sport 5.0L so far even with a jump the 5.0L loses to my 6.2L. But honestly I think the 5.0L is way more tunable but neither of us are will to spend that cash without seeing what it would get us.

[@legendarymotorsports7373]

That tune seemed to shift early

[@ericlopez8129]

I thought the same even in stock

[@mr.confused5137]

Mexico looks nice this time of year

[@_E_B_]

With most these aftermarket tunes on the 5.0 trucks of past years...rpm obviously gets raised. The 2021 5.0 makes its peak power at 6-6.2k rpms I believe. But shifts at 6.9k rpm. What's the use of raising the rpm to above 7k+ rpm if peak power is made almost 1k lower?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Shift drop matters though, where the engine is at in the gear change is important as well.

[@josipdolic6391]

Does this tune stops cylinder deactivation in coyote?

[@SJ-vz9ht]

What happened to round 2 stock vs tuned?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Can you be more specific?

[@craig4326]

Just curious do you know if the powerboost will eventually be able to be tuned?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Unknown at this time, but we're less optimistic as you have to tune more than just the engine. The battery and traction motor each have their own module as well.

[@craig4326]

@@LivernoisMotorsports yeah it’d be really complicated I imagine, would be really cool though 👍

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@craig4326 We're not ones to say never, but the 5.0 was over a year of work, this will take longer.

[@craig4326]

@@LivernoisMotorsports oh I’m sure. But I’m also sure there would be a lot of demand to get into that and be highly sought after so it could be a good market to get into if you can

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@craig4326 We do plan on supporting the 19-22 E90 as well, but the 21 f150 support had consumed our last 12-15 months of development resources.

[@BoostedBoyd]

Love the hp/trq gains but my biggest concern with my 2022 F-150 5.0 is the drivability. The stock transmission tuning is horrid. Id love to see comparison video between with the new tune installed with regards to the transmission issues corrected . The sluggishness feel, skip shifting, harsh down shifts, etc. Maybe thats hard to capture via video but the drivers reaction would be nice to see. Also once installing the tune I imagine that it disables the adaptive learning nonsense if that's still a thing on the new 2022's. Think ill order on up here today and find out first hand lol. The price is steep for us guys up here in Canada but I cant afford not too i guess. My friend here in Alberta just received his tuner from you guys but hes away working and haven't had the chance to install it yet. I wanted to try his truck out and compare the difference but I'm too impatient to wait another couple weeks for the results. I have nothing but confidence in Livernois tuning so look forward to my order here today. Anthony

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We spent a great deal of time improving the transmission's shifting and characteristics. We actually never disable adaptive learning as it needs to learn if there is a slip condition, otherwise it can burn up a transmission in days without it.

[@BoostedBoyd]

@@LivernoisMotorsports thanks for making sense of that for me. Look forward to getitng my tuner!

[@BoostedBoyd]

@@LivernoisMotorsports and its ordered !

[@ryandubyah2345]

Wish I knew what tune you were using there, I’ve had my ‘21 Coyote over almost a year and a half now and STILL waiting on performance parts! Got my Roush cold air intake and custom stainless true duals but so far that’s all

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This is our tune you can purchase it here: www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP631167/2021-22-ford-f-150-5-0l-coyote-tuner

[@grad0n]

Good case study!

[@anthonywood4894]

That first race looked like 3/4 of a car length. Not a car and a half. Unless I’m missing something. He never got ahead of your front bumper.

[@deathprooflifestyle3778]

Not gonna lie man I'm really skeptical. Can you post any proof that you've actually cracked it, are flashing it, and any actual changes to the calibration? How do we know you haven't just put a tank of 93 in and switch it to sport? I'm really excited to see what you guys can do on E85, but please show us some more in depth if you can!

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Never mind that we've been around for 70 years and have one of the best track records out there. We've posted Dyno graphs, clearly showing extended RPM range in the before and after, videos showing the performance changes vs another vehicle, which you can clearly hear it running the gears out further, plus can see how firm it shifts as it lurches on the gear change, but more proof? You're claiming what we've shown you isn't proof, so you'll likely say that for anything else we post too.

[@wyatt_5slow172]

Sport mode doesn’t make it any faster in a strait line, that’s for corners and stuff, however. With someone else driving it would be way better outcomes

[@deathprooflifestyle3778]

@@wyatt_5slow172 yeah dude that doesn't make any sense. lol

[@deathprooflifestyle3778]

@@LivernoisMotorsports show us how you're doing it then. @mrboom5.0

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@deathprooflifestyle3778 We have no reason to disclose over a years worth of work just to satisfy some random commenter on a video. Believe us, don't believe us, it ultimately doesn't impact the fact that we are able to tune them and no one else can. And if you don't believe what we've already posted, you'll say you don't believe anything else either. Those who pre-ordered will be vouching for it's results soon enough.

[@chrismccrane8500]

I had the 13 f150 5.0 and it was programmed. The 21 isn't as fast at the moment with stock calibration. Do you think the 21 would be faster than the 13 that ran 14.5 in the 1/4?

[@johanhildebrand1855]

I ran a 14.2 with my stock crew cab 4x4 2021

[@mikes1292]

What were the rear gear ratios

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

3.23 on the Chevy, 3.31 on the Ford.

[@doodar21]

What were the Rear End ratios if I may be so bold as to inquire.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Chevy was 3.23, Ford was 3.31

[@cesarpalmos8235]

Seems like at the higher speeds, the 5.0 starts pulling on the 6.2. The advantage of the 6.2 is torque down low.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That's because the 6.2 hits the speed limiter first

[@nathanmcdonald610]

They both have their strengths and it shows in the race. The 1.2L displacement advantage of the 6.2L lets its launch a little harder from a dig, The 6.2L has a 50lb/ft peak torque advantage over the 5.0L 410lb/ft vs 460lb/ft. However, the 5.0L is a DOHC engine and breathes much better at higher RPM than the Pushrod 6.2L, That's part of the reason these races start with the 6.2L jumping ahead but then being reeled back in by the 5.0L. I've watched my fair share of street races between the two and it often plays out similarly as this one did.

[@cesarpalmos8235]

@@nathanmcdonald610 I've seen several races as well, I agree with the differences architecture, they both have their advantages.

[@rickyleroy7795]

@@nathanmcdonald610 personally I’ve never seen a stock vs stock... f150 5.0 reel in a silverado 6.2 10 speed, maybe the 6 speed but not the 8 speed and for sure not the 10 speed, 2019-2021 silverado are now half aluminum they weigh less and have the same transmission as the f150... I’m sorry but I’ve seen it first hand behind the wheel the silverado takes the jump and the f150 losses ground till speed limiter!!! These trucks are 4 tents of a second apart when evenly configured trim level...

[@JROC734]

@@nathanmcdonald610 incorrect, but I get where you're coming from. This narrative of DOHC being a topend monster, and OHV being stump pullers gets incorrectly pushed all the time. Coyote is topend focused because Ford's not stupid enough to try and make a 302 ci engine produce the same curve as a 376 ci SBC. If they gave it the same linear curve as a GEN5 6.2L then it would be making noticeably less power. This is why Ford specs cams and everything else to move its power to the big end. GM on the other hand specs their engines to make a broad and linear powerband. If GM spec'd a 6.2L to make a powerband to mimic a Coyotes then it would be making well north of 500 BHP. This is easy achieved with a cam swap. Hell a LT2 make 495 BHP with the same cam spec's as a L86. It's all about flow. Can you flow enough air to keep your engine happy at high RPM's? Do you want to sacrifice power in your lower RPM's to gain more power up top? The reality is, is that all your GEN3+ SBC's are more topend focused than they are stump pullers, but they do try and give you sort of a broad and linear powerband. Even an old LS1 with its 6,000 RPM redline was a topend focused engine. BTW I don't believe Coyote heads outflow GEN5 6.2L heads. GEN5 6.2L heads not touched are 330+ CFM heads as they come factory, and they port well. There have been quite a few shops to easily surpass 600 RWHP with a N/A, stock bottomend LT1, using ported factory heads. (Pray Performance, RPM, GPI, I think Vengeance among others) I guarantee you that the topend on a 600 WHP N/A LT1 is plenty impressive. If you think a OHV engine can't complete with the topend powerband of a DOHC engine (not just power from displacement, but where it's power is focused in its RPM range) then I recommended a ride in a H/C/I LS7 car. Really even a stock C6Z is impressive enough for most people. Now what you said is in general true when considering how these engines are generally produced by the OEM's. DOHC is generally reserved for your smaller displacement engines to try and flow enough air in its smaller bores to match the airflow a larger 2V engine can flow, and that requires high RPM's, and a focus there. On the other hand having large bores that house 2 large valves each can move quite a lot of air. This is why I'm not a 5.3L fan as IMO a N/A 2V engine should have at least a 4" bore. Still look at your old 5.4L SOHC engines vs the 5.3L. It was always the 5.4L making better lowend power with it's huge stroke and small bore, but on the big end a 5.3L truck would walk away from the 5.4L trucks. (Both 16V and 24V) My 03 Lightning is a strong truck, (especially for its era) but a 2V Modulars heads flow like shit with their small bores/valves. Even with only 4.6L's my Terminator is a much stronger vehicle and yields much larger and more rewarding gains mod for mod, and that mainly boils down to being because its heads flow a lot better on a Modular with their small bore diameter. To be perfectly honest I've always said that the LT1 in my SS 1LE reminded me very much of the powerband that a stock pulleyed 03/04 Cobra produces. More than any other N/A SB I've experienced it feels Terminatorish. (I have heard that a 392 ci Hemi is a torque SOB, but I've only drive that engine in a Power Wagon) It's power comes on very early, and doesn't start to fall off until right before redline. A stock Terminator probably is a little stronger very early in its RPM range, but the LT1 should start to pull away in the upper RPM's. This is to say that a LT1 (or GEN5 SBC which the 6.2L's are all the same in terms of rotating assembly's, valvetrain, block, etc. Main difference between the GEN5 truck engines and the LT1/LT2 is in the manifolds) is far from a weak engine up top. To get the most out of it you definitely don't want to short shift.

[@alexx9563]

Have u guys tuned a 6.2 10 speed? Im ready to send out my ecm to hp tunners yo have it unlocked cant wait to see what it will do

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We have but use different means and methods. Unfortunately the transmission is not tunable, so it doesn't gain a ton in terms of performance

[@7171-Ws6]

That 6.2 is a wicked engine

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We like them both, and do plan on upgrades for the 6.2 as well, but the coyote is no slouch, and responds well to mods!

[@7171-Ws6]

@@LivernoisMotorsports I agree

[@kevinskonieczny8174]

Not sure how Ford fender to Chevy rear door is a "car and a half" ...Give us some draggy or track numbers. Tune looks to be doing what it should, nice work!

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

As mentioned in other posts, this is an ultra wide angle fisheye view. So it distorts the depth perception.

[@petrosh20]

Didn't get assigned whooped. 1 truck length maybe and a 5.0 vs a 6.2? I think it did pretty damn good stock!

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

the fisheye lens distorts the perception, its about 1.5-2 trucks stock, and then it reverses it to be about 1.5-2 trucks tuned. so 3-4 truck lengths improvement.

[@lightningdad13]

I have a 2019 2wd CCSB F150 with 5.0L 3.15 gears. completely stock on 93 octane top tier gas it ran 14.98 , 15.01 , and 15.08 Same truck same track same tank of gas same day..... added just a tune and went 13.6 @ 105. It's truly amazing what these trucks will do with just a tune.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We agree!

[@scottsmith31]

Yeah that didn’t happen lol

[@lightningdad13]

@@scottsmith31 sad thing is people like you don't believe it. It's cool. I was there and was in shock when it happened. Here's one for you.... I bet you don't believe my truck has been 188mph on a dyno. Stock truck on just a tune only. I got proof of that too.

[@JROC734]

@@lightningdad13 I believe you. Your name and avatar implies that you have experienced with a GEN2 Lightning which is a mid-13 second capable truck. I've owned my 03 L for 12 years now. I bought an 18 XLT FX4 302A 5.0 CC truck back in November. It has the tow package, 3.73's/9.75" rearend, 36 gallon tank, etc. Anyway since buying it I've added a Hellwig rear anti-swaybar, Bilstein 4600 shocks, and a AMRL tune and this truck after the tune may very well outrun a stock GEN2 L. In certain scenarios it would absolutely outpace an L due to there always being a gear to keep the engine in it's powerband regardless of the MPH. The crazy thing is that with just a manifold swap and tune these trucks typically trap 4-5 MPH higher than with the stock truck manifold. It's got me thinking that my next mods might be a Bullitt manifold and TB. The doubters need to understand that just a tune with most knowledge tuners takes the factory 6,000ish RPM redline to a 7,000+ RPM redline on an otherwise bone stock engine. Even the stock GEN3 Coyote truck manifold doesn't start to loose power until after 7K. Coyotes are all about making power on the bigend and the fact that the GEN3 Coyote in the truck makes nearly 400 HP with a 6K redline is impressive when you consider that the GEN3 Coyote in the Mustang will spin too 7,500 RPM. Other than the manifolds and firing order the two engines are basically the same. Even the cams specs are similar other than being setup for their different firing order.

[@lightningdad13]

@@JROC734 well said. I actually have 2 Lightning trucks. one is 2002 Red and the other is 2004 black. I still have both trucks today. I've always been curious as to how the new 5.0 reacts to 3.73 gears. while it's great for towing I'm not totally convinced that it is necessary for racing. at least with the 10-speed. on my other channel I show my 2019 on a dyno. and with a stock manifold it's useless to push motor passed 6k rpm. I tried 5th, 6th and 7th gear pulls. in 7th gear it went 188mph on dyno. when the trucked was stopped I told them "let's not do that any more." he laughed and said agreed. this week I will be putting my 3/5 suspension drop on the truck. then I will start working on performance mods. I love my Lightnings but these new 5.0 are incredible in their own right.

[@hgmorgan923]

Lol, didn't even do a full pull, he let off right when he started reeling him🤣🤣, what a great example of a terribly put together race

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Well, would you suggest that either driver blast in to a vehicle that pulled out in front of them? And, in one of the clips, you're seeing the speed limiter be hit. Since the Silverado was the quicker of the two stock, it hit it first. So no, it wasn't letting off.

[@kona6451]

What rear ends did these trucks have?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

3.23 on the Chevy, and 3.31 on the Ford.

[@scottmccutcheon845]

I get it’s stock motor vs stock motor but the 5.0 is tuned and the 6.2 isn’t so not really a fair comparison if the 6.2 was tuned as well u wouldn’t even see the truck in the camera frame

[@HioSSilver1999]

By those results don't touch the engine tune in the chevy....just remove the tm and it's game over for the 5br0.

[@harrisonferreira3463]

Do u know that the Chevy has a great launch then u catch it up right? Stock vs stock

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

The Chevy lifted in one race due to donkeys crossing the road in Mexico, and one other the Chevy hit the speed limiter. It outgunned the coyote on every hit made until the coyote was tuned.

[@VARITHMS]

The shifts with the tune look firm, but not harsh. I don't care for a lazy transmission

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Agreed, there's always a good balance for being firm without being harsh.

[@Gunnypauly73]

I have a 2018 F150, and I hate the fact that it has a plastic oil pan, transmission pan, and PTWA cylinders. Now Ford is using belt driven oil pump too?? Cutting cost = less durability IMO.I would rather pay a little more for a metal oil pan-transmission pan-sleeved cylinders, and gear driven oil pump. Good video BTW

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Well they did at least ditch the plastic pan

[@Gunnypauly73]

@@LivernoisMotorsports I'm guessing the pan is not a match for a 2018 F150, lol

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@Gunnypauly73 We have not looked into it to know

[@bigjoe1_]

Is there an e85 tune available?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

we do retain, and improve upon the production Flex Fuel capability on the 5.0, so yes, E85 is an option with our tuning.

[@slaminggears]

Need long tube headers

[@VirussCx]

How do I get tuned by y’all? I’m in Dallas Texas

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

You only need to purchase our mycalibrator tuner for your specific vehicle, and then complete the tune request form upon receiving the device by following the provided instructions.

[@clintmullins4406]

Is this the short shift 3rd tune? Sounds like a very conservative tune. You have to rev the coyote. Andy is going to tune that 6.2 and it will be a bloodbath.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

the gen4 coyote has a belt driven oil pump and VDE hardware which prevent anything safe past 7000, with a hard limit of use of 7500. these are not like the prior gen coyotes, and do have limitations to them for spinning that high.

[@02autogt]

Surely a 21' 5.0 is a little quicker than a 20' 5.0 stock for stock.... My 20' supercrew FX4 ran 13.92@102 completely stock on my Dragy. Tune, cai, and a few gallons of E85 and it ran 12.80@108... Mine does have 3.55's but that's not gonna make much of a difference...

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

There's not any reason for it to be faster. If anything, since they added features and weight, a 21 should be a tiny bit slower

[@todsimpkins8908]

@@LivernoisMotorsports 2022 rated at 400/410 - was that up a bit from 21 or the same?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@todsimpkins8908 There's no power difference between 21 and 22

[@jamesm2464]

The 21+ has 5 more horsepower and 10 lb ft more torque than a 2020 and the lower lift cams added significantly more low end torque and brought peak torque lower in the revs. The 21+ is 100% faster than the 2020 and older with the crappy torque curve and low redline.

[@TheAzKasper]

I see a complete difference with my 5.0. It’s always a close race but I’ve always beaten 6.2s. Also why is your truck shifting early in 2nd and 3rd?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That's how it shifted, and part of the inconsistencies on the stock calibration. If it spins it short shifts, making it harder to get a consistent run. Part of the reason they're so close is the Chevy has 3.23 gears, and the ford 3.31s. Most ford's have deeper gears than that.

[@TheAzKasper]

@@LivernoisMotorsports that I have noticed. If it spins it’ll short shift but mine will only short shift first gear. Never second or third. Have you turned off traction control? You’ll spin a little more off the line but having that extra high rpm power by not shifting early makes all the difference. I’ve never lost a race against a 6.2 and mines 2wd.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@TheAzKasper Even being in mexico, we were starting to draw attention, and we kept things even keeled between the two, so we really felt that it was a good show of two novice drivers encountering each other. Both drivers in the video are experienced drag racers, and definitely know how to maximize results, but we wanted to show what normal users who just flat foot without any prep would encounter, and we captured just that.

[@Cl8tonn]

@@LivernoisMotorsports I feel with Chevy and their ohv. That it really matters how far you leave them behind from the beginning. It's not the come from behind champ like a dohc as in the ford. But it damn sure knows how to be a frontrunner

[@snazzerbear]

I’m without Bryan R on this. Wondering if some sandbagging was happening with the stock f150. I have a bone stock 18 5.0 that rips. Crewcab, 4x4, 3:55 rear gear. Best 1/4 mile: 13.8@100

[@mrh3085]

What about the new RAM 5.7 GT?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We will be able to tune those.

[@jordanbedwell2592]

This year is pretty dissapointing compared to the 17-18 5.0’s . It’s sad to see that the 10 speed 5.0s are getting gapped by a big heavy slow boat Chevy with a tune 2 .

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

I'm not sure why anyone thinks either truck is slow. They're both bottom 14 second trucks. Or, mustang gt times of 15 years ago.

[@sonny62denali]

Crew cab 2021 running 13-6 with muffler only 🤔 I must have a factory freak LOL

[@albertpintor3522]

Well the chevy 6.2 is definitely more torquey and than a 5.0 as its chevys top engine for towing while the 5.0 is fords mid line engine

[@sonny62denali]

@@albertpintor3522 I'm pretty confused how that tune trucks probably a 14-second truck still and my stock crew cab running 13-6 5.0 f150

[@todsimpkins8908]

@@sonny62denali i call bs.

[@7171-Ws6]

Did u just slap a tune on a rental truck?

[@genewaller1002]

Open up the exhaust on the 6.2 and you will unleash the beast. Also, why didn't you tune the 6.2?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This video was showcasing the gains on the f150. Not "which truck is faster outright"

[@genewaller1002]

What I pointing out was that the 6.2 won't run well until you open up the exhaust. I have a 2022 LTD 6.2 with the catback exhaust, and I haven't had an F150 go around me. That is why the catback exhaust is a factory option.

[@whosugly3178]

Swear everybody around us test/race the same place 😶‍🌫️

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Mexico is quite convenient!

[@whosurdaddyds650]

You run in 4-wheel drive high traction control off. Rerun and do that both trucks. But still good race.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This would be for an impromptu street encounter. Most people aren't going to click it in 4wd, so we felt this is more representative to those situations most people would be in.

[@MrFordguy73]

@@LivernoisMotorsports actually when you put the vehicle in sport it turns the 4x4 on if equipped, or 4A if equipped with that.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@MrFordguy73 This is an xlt and did not have auto 4wd

[@Garage28_28]

can e85 be used with this tun? or struct 93 ?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This retains the flex fuel functionality, and even adds power when using that as well!

[@zdm751]

@@LivernoisMotorsports will you be doing dedicated e85 tune?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@zdm751 There's no need to. When you do a proper flex fuel tune there's no advantage to a dedicated e85 tune.

[@zdm751]

@@LivernoisMotorsports I like the flexibility of being able to run either 93 or e85 with the same tune, but coming from the Ecoboost world this meant leaving power on the table. Is that not the case with the 5.0?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@zdm751 It wasn't the case on EcoBoost, or on these. Our Ecoboost tunes that were flex fuel ensured the best power on each fuel without changing tunes. But no, this is not the case. There is zero advantage to having two tunes.

[@MormonMustang_]

You were spinning. . Kill traction control, Use 4 wheel drive for the launch and load the converter, you beat him stock.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

And if he used the same technique, it's right back to where as the Chevy spun too. And the ford spun even more with the tune, but still flipped the script. That's the whole purpose of the video. To show the gains from tuning.

[@lukemorganbball5621]

What rear end ratios?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

3.23 on the Chevy, 3.31 on the Ford.

[@lukemorganbball5621]

@@LivernoisMotorsports you were going to pass him up top..he did get you off line..sport mode works best as well..you would have driven around him in 1/4..

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@lukemorganbball5621 As we've mentioned previously, you're seeing 2 items with the Chevy, one time we had to let off due to crossing donkeys in Mexico, and another you see it actually hit the speed limiter and stop accelerating, since it was quicker, it hit the limiter first.

[@chada472]

The real story is why you cant get the 6.2 and 10 speed in a 2 wheel drive??

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

GM has always had a weird fixation with limiting their largest/best engines. While we don't agree with it, it fits with their previous behavior, which is unfortunate.

[@daniharleysvt0326]

Ain’t no car and a half. Half a car.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This is an ultra wide angle view, which distorts proportions. It absolutely was that far out.

[@DaDon_krazy]

5.0 isn’t gonna win from a dig . Why u think it reels in eventually.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Until it's tuned, it only caught up due to the Chevy lifting, or the Chevy hitting the limiter first.

[@Ecoboosttookadump]

Why let out when your realing him in.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That wasn't letting out. That was the speed limiter.

[@stephenrich6840]

I have a 5.0 xlt stock with 3.31 and I ran 13.5 plus I raced a 6.2 from a dead and a roll and passed him 2 trucks from a roll and about a truck from a dead so I don't understand why this truck in the video is so slow it doesn't make any sense to me I'll rather keep my truck stuck because if I race the red truck in this video it'll be a good race or I'll still win

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Judging how fast or slow something is from a video compared to something that isn't in the video doesn't make a ton of sense. The gains are apparent, and going from being almost 2 trucks behind to being almost 2 trucks ahead fr9oma single mod is huge, regardless of what your specific truck does stock, this showcases gains that line up perfectly with what we see on the dyno, and would have expected.

[@todsimpkins8908]

i say stock 21 or 22 verses stock....put up a 5.0 F150 RCSB with 3.73 against stock 6.2. any available rear end. no contest.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We don't doubt that, but CCSB vs CCSB with similar gears and they're almost dead even as shown here.

[@j4runin328]

Compare apples to apples. Find a tuned 6.2 then race a tuned 5.0

[@mrh3085]

Even more importantly they need the same rear end gear set. 3.55, 3.73, 4.11 etc

[@BM-nd8gy]

Total cost would be a better comparison... As well as towing. Most people don't buy an F150 to drag race.

[@BM-nd8gy]

If they did... They would have gotten a TRX lol

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

But since our goal was to show the improvement from tuning the 21 F150, and not which truck reigns supreme, what good would that do?

[@j4runin328]

@@LivernoisMotorsports it’s not a true accomplishment by racing a modified truck to a stock truck

[@aspavingllc8302]

Dude you never lost the first race definitely not by 1.5 trucks you was reelin him in then you let off

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

As we've mentioned quite a few times, the Silverado let off because of traffic and the fisheye wide angle distorts the view since it's purposely designed to keep the vehicles in the field of view longer, it makes them seem closer than reality.

[@aspavingllc8302]

Ok makes sense

[@aspavingllc8302]

Ok makes sense

[@eric6.2ltccsb]

Not bad, but base model 5.0 vs fully optioned leather (500+lb) high country heavier chevy. 8 speed trucks like mine were proved again and again faster than than the 10 speeds. Good runs, me and my buddies truck with same mods are real good runs.

[@campbell0162]

I personally find the newer trucks to be even slower. I own a 2013 Silverado LT 4x4 extended cab with a 6.2, mated to a 4l80e and it seems more peppier and faster then any of the 2018s or 2019s I've test drove. I think the older 6.2s would do better against the gen 3 coyote

[@eric6.2ltccsb]

@@campbell0162 def not man, my wife's 13 6.2 yukon denali is decent, buddies 12 6.2 awd seirra denali was just a tad faster and neither even close to my truck. Few mods and stock tune I've went 13.11@104, haven't had a chance to hit the track again after making 420whp 477tq after 93 tune.

[@campbell0162]

@@eric6.2ltccsb Sounds like yours is modded, and from my experience I have been able to gap a 2017 6.2 by a whole truck length. I'm not talking about a modded truck, I'm talking about being completely stock. If I were to install bolt ons on my older 6.2, I guarantee I'd gap yours. I've raced my Uncle's stock 17 denali 6.2 and was able to give him a run for his money. My truck runs 14s on the track now, but I can easily get it to run 13s or possibly even 12s with a few bolt ons and a shift kit.

[@eric6.2ltccsb]

@@campbell0162 lol ok.. mod for mod. These D.I motors respond well and everyday walk an older truck. Stock or similar modded as mine. I've beat every other gm truck I've ran.

[@eric6.2ltccsb]

@@campbell0162 runs 14s now... yeah probably 14.9

[@muttswob4239]

Always turn traction control off my man and put it in four wheel. You probably would have beat him STOCK if you weren’t spinning at the start like that. 🙈

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

This is set up to simulate an impromptu street encounter. Typically you don't have all the time to change settings and drive modes prior to this. So we ran them as is. You're watching one of the most awarded racers in history drive this truck. He knows how to drive, but the goal wasn't to just win it was to be consistent and demonstrate the difference a tune makes.

[@Darylrb1983]

Why.....did you rid of the beard?!?! Lol jk

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Always gotta be switching it up!

[@BM-nd8gy]

It's a sad day when the v8 is the slow option

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

But, all chips on the table, still has the most potential for upgrades.

[@alicepooper8562]

stock race you started reeling him in and you let off

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That's the speed limiter kicking in. The Chevy got there first.

[@alicepooper8562]

@@LivernoisMotorsports you were in 3rd no way you hit the rev limiter the f150 shoulda beat the chev stock

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@alicepooper8562 That was the middle of 5th gear on a the stock run, right at the speed limiter.

[@alicepooper8562]

@@LivernoisMotorsports You purposely made the ford stock look slow to make your product look better you can also hear it shift from second to third to early which means you let off

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@alicepooper8562 and then we decided to post videos, Dyno sheets, e85 testing results, and countless other ways of validating and proving gains to corroborate the data but somehow were dishonest in the comparison video? Or, the Ford was slower, until it wasn't. Simple as that. We've got 70+ years of reputation in the industry, we're not some fly by night that's going to post fake nonsense and tarnish our reputation for short term gains.

[@jeremykirk1334]

Is that Vining road off 94 lol

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

No, it's clearly Mexico ;-)

[@jeremykirk1334]

Any new 2.7 tunes I bought one from tou I'm 2020 just wondering if you have a hotter 93 tune .?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@jeremykirk1334 We do offer an e30 tune for these which increases output over our 93 tuning

[@jessicafilopoulos7403]

So now that you’ve tuned the Ford it finally matches up to a Chevy

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Beats it, pretty markedly.

[@jessicafilopoulos7403]

@@LivernoisMotorsports lol

[@jacobhiebert6146]

You should take the 3.5 L ecoboost engine with the power boost system that because that's Fords half-ton strongest truck and you should see then where the Chevy is going to be because the 5-liter engine is not the fastest Ford in the 6.2 L is their fastest Chevy

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

But that wasn't the point of the video at all. The point was to show the gains had from tuning.

[@_E_B_]

Hey Jacob...instead of insisting that someone should change how they did their video...maybe you should make ur own video...😜🤣

[@workct4102]

Stock vs stock...that was not an ass whoop

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

No, it wasn't. But, as a wise man once said, It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

[@ericpugh247]

Chevy boys they always do thay shit. 6.2? Let's see that 5.3. Then do the 3.7 eco against that 6 2.

[@jasonreyna7615]

Until you hook up a trailer and watch your ecoboosts performance suffer vs the N/A 5.3/6.2LS and 5.0l motors

[@ericpugh247]

@@jasonreyna7615 to be honest I just got the new 5.0 and it's Day and night better then the 18 to 20 models. Feels alot stronger. I'm happy with the 5.0

[@rickyleroy7795]

By the time both trucks reach governor that 6.2 would have been 2 trucks ahead, the 6.2 spins like hell out of 2wd, should have raced them in 4hi that 6.2 10 speed would of walked even harder.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

A 2.7 would beat the 6.2 in 4hi. You got it all backwards but you must not k ow how to get the best out of any ecoboost. I've owned all three and raced 6.2s and 5.3s and othe ecoboosts aswell. There's no way the 6.2 will come outta the hole like any ecoboost from a dig it driven properly. Top end the 6.2 would beat the 2.7 but not a 3.5. 4wd would make the chev hook up better but also rob it in speed where the Ford would be half a truck to a teuck length right away lol seen it alot. Just the 2.7 too😅 go to the racetrack it's all f150s racing cars. There is no trucks comparable especially tuned. No need to argue and get mad it is what it is lol.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

These were ran to the limiter on every stock vs stock run, but not tuned as the f150 had it raised. So we let off at the same mph as the limiter.

[@rickyleroy7795]

@@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761 Whats you’re point lol the 6.2 won stock! And lost by a fender vs a tuned 5.0 10r80.... a stock 2.7 shouldn’t have even been mentioned, we all know the 3.5 ecoboost twin turbo and silverado 6.2 10 speed is a great race... its a drivers race, nobody wants to here your race story’s from 2012, anybody would tell you 2018 - 2021 the 5.0 is faster up top vs a 3.5 ecoboost.... the 6.2 would walk a 3.5 on the highway and the 5.0 would beat the ecoboost too.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

@@rickyleroy7795 😄think what you like. I wish we old race I'd show you and would love to hear what kind of excuses you'd have. There's tons of videos all o er the internet of these two trucks racing with 90 percent of them 2.7 and 3.5s pitting gm in the rear view mirror. If the guy knows how to drive and race the 6.2 gets smoked lol think what you like. Not even worth debating lol.

[@rickyleroy7795]

@@LivernoisMotorsports and it’s exactly what I expected the 2021 5.0 makes good power! Its a no brainer tuned the 5.0 would edge it like it did! Great video and nice work with the tuning

[@captainbobette]

Totally understand your video , thanks for showing the improvements you’ve made. Now send me a free tuner for my 6.2 Silverado, just kidding. Btw, I visited your shop in 2013. Went to détroit auto show from Quebec , called and you were open ! Impressive shop. Now send me a tuner for my Silverado ;)

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Lol, well we need to add support first.

[@captainbobette]

@@LivernoisMotorsports no worry it’s a 2017 , it’s olddddd

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@captainbobette Well we do support that year already

[@cesarpalmos8235]

Ive seen these 10 speed 5.0s beat up tuned 6.2s

[@4biddenconcepts]

Shift points were way to short let it Rev out😑

[@ericlopez8129]

Same thing I said but "apparently it was WOT"

[@4biddenconcepts]

@@ericlopez8129 😂😂😂 let's make a tuning software and only sell "base tunes" that doesn't Rev out and make power and also short shift so that it goes slower... (because using all 10 gears in the quarter mile makes it faster🥴🥴🥴) livernois is the new 5star tuning 😂 There better off just selling the tuning device and telling people to have a tuner tune and have the option of in-house tuning...garuntee ittl sell more. They won't even tune on nitrous...

[@zsavage1820]

G'z if you knew how to drive .. that F150 would have killed the 6.2.. can't believe you all still let the auto shift for you.. 2nd into 3rd bogged .. if you would have forced the RPM a little higher.. even stock

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

You're talking about someone who has set 50+ world records and won 25+ world championships for drag racing. The goal here was apples to apples comparisons to not stack the deck either way. Not to determine what vehicle was fastest by doing 20 different special things. And then see how much better it was with a tune.

[@07slowbalt]

I see this as nothing more as a marketing scheme. The first race he lost the jump and started pulling back. 2nd race he slept and definitely didnt lose by 1-2 cars. Then with the tune he barely pulled???? Seems like a crappy tune imo. What octane were you running stock vs stock? Why not run an e-85 tune? Dont by these results at all.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

If you'd read the comments you'd see the only reason it "gained" stock was the Chevy hit the speed limiter. It's also a wide angle fish eye view so the lens is distorted keeping the truck in the field of view longer. The real distance between them is farther than it shows which is why we show multiple views. Sorry that a real world result video and multiple Dyno videos don't prove the gains.

[@07slowbalt]

@@LivernoisMotorsports im all for transparency but theres alot of things i dont completely agree with here. Hennessey for example is notorious for pulling those stunts to sell products as well. I do appreciate you clairfying some things and trying to find equal gearing for the trucks. I never doubted the 6.2 was faster and im a 5.0 crew cab owner. When you lose a hit the lead is huge.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@07slowbalt One thing we will always be is transparent. That's why we even called out the wheel spin, and we're descriptive in what we were doing/launching like, and even what mode and traction control we were doing. If there were any tracks open within 3 hours of us we would have done it there with 1/4 miles results. But unfortunately, our two local tracks are closed.

[@07slowbalt]

@@LivernoisMotorsports well by the video timer the 1st race you were gaining on him in what i heard as only 3rd gear which ends at around 80mph. The timer at most hit 11 seconds so i cant see how the chevy wouldve hit the limiter by over 20mph. Fords limiter is 106mph, unsure about the chevys. 2nd race was more of a blowout but you lost the hit and you acknowledged spinning. I think the tune definitely helped and if you were beating him then you likely gained more than .6 tenths which is pretty good. Again any reason for not doing an e-85 tune or is that in the future?

[@eric6.2ltccsb]

@@07slowbalt how is it hard to believe the 6.2 jumps out on a 5.0. 6.2 truck like on my truck for example. I have done several runs with my buddies truck and his similar modded 5.0 10 speed and my 6.2 8 speed with his being tuned on E85/trans tune/traction bars don't have anything for my stock tune truck. On our dig he didn't even come back on me til around 110 from a dig. He even says once I'm tuned on E85, trans tune and have my bars on he won't catch me at all. He's tuned by Oz

[@luisgarcia5950]

The 5.0 needs traction off 😂 I smoke 6.2 bone stock

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We ran plenty of tests, traction control was used with both as it was the most consistent. Also, with this exact truck pairing, there wasn't a single time the Ford one when stock. Now, different gears and options? Maybe.

[@jaredwechsler4358]

So with lower gears, a tune, a lighter truck and the 5.0 still just barely outruns the 6.2. Seems fair lol I’ll keep my 6.2 over a 5.0 everyday. Let me tune my 6.2 out the same gears in it and take the back seats out and I’ll make the 5.0 cry. Before all the coyote boys start with your displacement bullshit. The 6.2 is physically smaller and weighs less than the 5.0 as well. So your 32 valves and 4 cams do nothing. As the old saying always goes there is no replacement for displacement.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

While we respect them both, we do have tune only f150s going 12.0, which is out of reach on the GM.

[@HaleFire7]

Why do some of you guys get so fucking butthurt? Yes we know the story changes again if the 6.2 is tuned. This video is nothing more than a data point for 5.0s, I dont know why some of y'all get your egos so tied up into how fast a vehicle is against another.

[@lariat652]

It always takes Chevys biggest engine to run with a ford

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

And then our tune even takes that advantage away ;-)

[@Eddie-yu4vx]

First pull u did was catching up , looks somewhat staged lol

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

As we've covered time and time again in the comments, one run ended early due to coming up on traffic. Another The Chevy hit the speed limiter first. Then one clean run where they are the closest that neither of these "catch up" scenarios happen. So, no, not staged. Real results

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

Brake launch it lightly like he was it the chev, no wonder he kept taking you out of the hole. Waiting till three then stomp it lol. I'm blown away it doest kick that 6.2s butt tuned. Definately would have been different had you raced him with any ecoboost. 2 7 or 3 5.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

These were both launched using the same technique, aka, none. Like most people who aren't drag racers would do. They were both flat footed with traction control on. So, in other words, no one brought it up on the converter.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

@@LivernoisMotorsports throttle response and torque of the 6.2 is better by far. Hard to argue. Hardly apples to apples with a 6.2 vs 5.0 but the f150 is lighter too so it's almost fair. Also was the f150 a 3.55 or 3.73? And was the 6.2 a 3.42?

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761 3.23 on the Chevy, 3.31 on the Ford. We purposely wanted to take a truck we knew was faster (Chevy) stock vs stock, and show that our tuning can turn the tides and more than level the playing field.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

@Corrie Elieff we agree that a more aggressive launch would have just given us more of the same.

[@bluesvtlightning02]

Should have left in 4hi and Chevy would never pulled away stock.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

But then it wouldn't be apples to apples as the Chevy also spun. The goal of the video was to show how much improvement was made with tuning the 5.0. Not to do every trick to maximize results on the trucks. This best represents an impromptu red light encounter.

[@ryanwalker9382]

1. 2. 3. Then you would watch him leave. Then you would leave lol

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Incorrect. The only time anyone jumped we called it out in the video

[@svt89]

Not impressed by the ford giving how light it is .

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That's where the tune really shines.

[@lil2.74]

Lol that truck didn't whoop your ass, he got the hole shot first 2 runs by a bit and you actually pulled back on him first run. The Chevy didn't whoop ass, it barely escaped with a win with a much larger engine. And that tune you loaded is weak. POWER PER CUBIC INCH WINNER is clearly the F150. Have him bring a 5.3 Silverado...lol.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

What you are seeing is the GM hitting the speed limiter at the end on one run, and the other the chevy lifted. the fish eye lens makes it distort the image so it's hard to gauge in the video how much has changed, BUT, this was a solid 1-2 trucks outmatched stock, and turned it around to be a solid 1-2 trucks out front. Being this was our original Version 1 93 octane tuning, and we are now on version 12, you shouldn't expect it to set the world on fire. BUT, improving by 3-5 trucks length is impressive, even for a first go at it. But a year has passed, and these are a good 1/2 second quicker yet.

[@lil2.74]

@@LivernoisMotorsports Not saying you said something about the aluminum body but there are those who do. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

F150 is a better truck in every way other than maybe the tailgate 🤣 even ram is a better truck than gm now 😁

[@mikemargeson8101]

Well go same size . Chevy has more cubic inches. Race the 5.3 Chevy!

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

That wouldn't exactly showcase what we're trying to achieve here. Which specifically is that the tuning takes the first from behind behind, to being ahead.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

What's awesome is that's there best motor for a drag race yet the 5.0 is ALOT smaller and the slowest of all of Fords F150s

[@rickyleroy7795]

Wrong the 2.7 is not faster then the 5.0 don’t even start that bs... the 3.5 takes the 5.0 down low but by about 75mph it reels the 3.5 back in ( the 5.0 is faster up top ) the 6.2 paired with a 10 speed transmission is a high 13 second truck bone stock NO TUNE, NO E85 needed to reach a 13.90 1/4 mile, and if they raced out of 4hi that 6.2 10 speed would have blown that ford away the chevy spins a lot in 2wd with all that torque.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

@@rickyleroy7795 yes it is especially from a dig dude. I've had all three and the ecoboosts smoke my 5.0. Only chance any v8 pickup has is top end and when right off the line they're half a teuck behind they usually ain't catching up till end of quarter mile, IF they catch up. Tuned it's a no contest. No v8 truck will beat a ecoboost outta the hole when they have full torque at 2000rpm. Your Chevy just gets walked especially in 4hi😆

[@rickyleroy7795]

@@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761 sounds like to me we’re on the same page...Lol we both agree the 3.5 makes better power down low Vs a 5.0 but even if it beats the hi 13 second chevy by a half truck from a dig that ain’t nothing lol if the 5.0 reels the 3.5 back in the 6.2 would be about a truck ahead!!!! Because on the highway stock vs stock the 3.5 has no chance! Again the 5.0 10 speed does better then the 3.5 top end.

[@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761]

@@rickyleroy7795 yup top end ecoboosts do run out of steam but out of the hole 0 to 60 they're unbeatable. Especially in 4hi. 2.7 is usually quicker than the 3.5 too for some reason. Top end they lose alot.

[@rickyleroy7795]

@@fishonalbertaoutdoors9761 and I agree with you! They are faster out the hole, but not by a lot vs a 6.2 especially these new 10 speeds... what I’m saying is even if the ford jumps it a half truck the chevy will come back!!!! Now tuned yes 3.5 would Kill the chevy. Can we be friends now... lol

[@jaredwechsler5689]

Sorry but I’m laughing. The 5.0 has been tuned to the max (without mods) and can still barely hang with the Chevy. Tune that Chevy and see who wins then. Also for all the people claiming diplacement the Ford is a DOHC engine. Physical size and weight. The 6.2 is actually smaller and probably weighs less.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Except you can't tune the transmission, and can't get unlocked ecms currently to be able to tune them.

[@ericlopez8129]

He's not 100% throttle on the stock pulls. The Ford is shifting at 5.5k rpm , still having 1.5k rpm to go , ford 5.0 stock will beat a 6.2 silverado any day of the week without a tune.

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

Both trucks absolutely full throttle. But nothing we type will change your mind, but that doesn't change the fact that it absolutely was wot on both trucks. The difference in shift rpm is because we increased that RPM on the tuned runs to better take advantage of the power band. And sorry. But 12+ runs the Ford never even kept up let alone won. Hence needing the tune to come out on top.

[@ericlopez8129]

I have a 5.0 10 speed and have beaten 6.2 2021 silverados a lot actually, with tune on e85 keeps up bumper to bumper to 5.0 mustangs 10 speed, if you say 6.2 silverado beat 5.0s then that's all yall I've seen much different at sea level.

[@rickyleroy7795]

@Corrie Elieff ran my 2021 6.2 at sea level, bone stock 13.80s.... ain’t no f150 5.0 running 13s..... when stock..

[@thechroniclesofkeatonfaulk821]

@@rickyleroy7795 I ran 14.56 1/4 at 94 on my 2014 on forged wheels, 10ply 33x12.50R20 and about 1400 pounds of chains and shit in my tool box and a heavy ass ranch hand bumper. My 1/8th was 9.11

[@sonny62denali]

That is one slow ass ford my current 2021 crew cab 4x4 runs 13-5 13-6 consistent fx4 331 gears w only muffler on so that Chevy must be a 12 second truck 😂😂😂

[@sonny62denali]

Just posted up some videos on my page not bad for a big 4x4 daily crew cab

[@chevy19699]

Tuned 6.2 vs tuned ford now ford still will get beat

[@LivernoisMotorsports]

We doubt that since you can only tune the engine on these, not the transmission for GM. So it will be at a disadvantage.