5 Axis Mill Stop Fixture End Support for the Haas TM-1 Mill In my Garage

[@CNCMachinistEducationNetwork]

At my school I teach using 3 tool offset methods I call your #1 "Old School" method - the first way I knew in 1985. I was taught to use a 1.000 block as touch off rather than paper (I'm glad for that). in the 90's at my job we all got converted to touching off the table with 2.000 block. So we all set tools up the same way no confusion. Then we just needed to shift the G54 Z a plus number from the touch off point to top of part plus we could now do multiple operations and share tools better. At first my old shop hated it but we got over it and it works slick and better tool blends. I Called that method #2 in the school "common surface" My # 3 is the Gage line method like yours as all Renishaw's work the same way. So before probes we had those pre setters in a tool room and they just set tools for us and we used a gage tool set to 5.00 and we find top of part and add in the 5.000 = Ran a Mazak that way that had an OTS Renishaw but no probe. all the same . - I like your videos kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp-yYYdvhrynhNE

[@cnc-ua]

Thanks for the explanation, Peter. Really helpful to hear about fixture offset and probing.

[@Hirudin]

Great video, very helpful! I don't know why anyone would *choose* to use anything other than strategy #3. It makes perfect sense for the tool length in the machine to be the actual tool length out of the machine. Using a reference tool so that you sometimes need to use negative numbers? How is that preferable?

[@riflesmith1]

Looking good ..... Its a great channel and I look forward to your vids. I think I am going to purchase a TM-2P for my shop and your vids help a lot..... Thanks

[@EdgePrecision]

riflesmith1 Thanks that's good to hear, glad I could help. Let me know how it works out.

[@tansit2344]

Do you always type the probing in manually or is that just for the video? I usually hit Prog/Conv three times and use visual quick code. 3 point bore stuff and auto tool offsets I still use the Rennishaw macro manual. Not sure if VQC and the Rennishaw option can be separate or not. Like the use of the chamfer.

[@EdgePrecision]

tansit2344 I just got us to doing it that way from running other machines. The Haas quick code comes up with a slightly different coding but the standard Renishaw cycles work to. There is so much more that can be done with probing. This is the most underutilized option on most people's machines. I plan to do a very much more detailed set of videos on this subject.

[@tansit2344]

I look forward to it. I've been teaching myself the auto wear compensation between orders and doing things with the tolerance limit. Nobody at my company knows the software exists on 6 machines or what it can really do. Always G54 corner or bore, sometimes web, and tool setting. Macro B is the other thing I'm trying get a handle on for that. We just have two guys shoot out untested MCX code with all the wrong tool numbers and feedrates, no time or blessing for improvement elsewhere. Go American manufacturing heh.

[@nikolaiownz]

How do you like the small haas machines you have in your garage? i am considering getting the same setup you got for making prototypes and other stuff at home in my small garage.. its about the same size as yours. 6.5m x 3.3m..

[@EdgePrecision]

I really like these machine. I have owned many Haas machines in the past. If you were on the fence between the Haas and the Tormach I would recommend the Haas over the Tormach. The Haas will be a little more money but if you can afford it you will in the long run be glad you went with the Haas. This space I have the machines is a little more than half the space of a two car garage. The entrance or door height to my garage is about 6.5 (1.90m) feet when the door is open. I was able to get the machines (the mill) in without a problem. I did have to create clearance above in the rafters when the Z axis is at the tool change height. Both machines will run on single phase power. They will have a little less spindle power on single phase, but other than that they have complete function on single phase. Rigid tapping spindle control and speed exct. The servos are AC servos not steppers. These are real industrial quality machines. Mine are the first versions that Haas came out with so the newer ones might even have better options. Get a full enclosure if you can fit it. It wasn't a option when I bought mine. I wish mine had them. If you buy the mill get the probing option it is worth every penny. To be able to touch off tools and probe parts is, well once you have done it you don't want to go back as they say. The control on my machine is not completely a PC based control. What do I mean buy that? The working memory is not as large as a hard drive. (The new controls may be larger or different) If memory serves me I think it's around 3 meg witch is quite large for a CNC machine (My Mit Horizontal only has 490K). If you are going to run vary large programs Maybe Haas has larger memory options. I have run DNC (Drip feed) programs from my computer quite often. This works flawlessly. But it does have all the disadvantages of running DNC that any machine would have. So in conclusion I would highly recommend these machines for doing what you describe you want to do.

[@nikolaiownz]

@@EdgePrecision I would never buy a tormach I run a big DMG 125 horizontal every day and s tormach it to much of s toy for me haha . And I got 3 phase 16 amps in my garage. What about the tool turret for the lathe ?

[@EdgePrecision]

I would rather myself have the manual toolpost. For prototype work it would be much more useful. This wasn't a option when I purchased my machines but I wouldn't have got it. I have run jobs that take more tools than the turret can hold. Also you can pretty much use the same tooling that a manual engine lathe would use. I have made special ER32 collet holders for the tool post so I can mount drill and small boring bars in collets. You can also switch the lathe into a gang tool configuration. So if you make a block (They may already sell such a thing) to hold many tools on the cross slide. I have never done this but if you had a lot of small parts to make it would be the way to go.

[@nikolaiownz]

@@EdgePrecision ok how presice is the tool post when changing tools? To you need to zero then after each change ?

[@EdgePrecision]

I have a Dorian tool post and it changes tool to where I have held less than .001" on lengths and diameters with no problem.

[@9955CAM8]

it's great