5 Dumb Things Gun People Say About Getting a Suppressor

[@mhcaffey120]

Abolish the AFT

[@sa1911a1]

We all agree, but comments on youtube aren't going to get it done.

[@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib]

Agreed. Every video says “abolish” in the comments lol. It’s not gonna change anything

[@mhcaffey120]

@@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib go away troll

[@svbarryduckworth628]

Hearts and minds. Those are won over by just talking. After that we can move mountains.

[@Shadow__133]

I don't like the FWD too.

[@TheKlamminator]

Normies think you want to be an assassin if you want/have suppressors. My mother litterly giggled at me and said something like that years ago when I was trying to educate her on them

[@John-tx1wk]

Back in 2016 or 2017 there was a legislative attempt to remove suppressors from the NFA. I don't recall the name of the legislation. Anyway David Chipman, yes, the David Chipman President Biden later tried to make the head of the ATF wrote these words in an opinion piece about the proposed legislation: "When it comes down to it, the only people who benefit from this dangerous policy are the gun lobby and those who wish our communities harm." Dettelbach appears to be a complete clown. But Chipman would have been a dangerous tyrant from day one. We dodged a bullet on Chipman.

[@johnniewasr5740]

Duh, everyone knows only super sneaky secret assassin hit men use silencers.

[@toddk1377]

Fun to use and shoot various calibers, but let's be real here, it's not like people tend to think it is like it's portrayed in the movies. I'd definitely much rather shoot with a suppressor versus a muzzle brake, I'm sure others next to me would say the same, but it's not like I'm gonna throw a suppressor on a 300WM and shoot something all while we only hear a little laser sound we would hear in the movies, that shit is still gonna make a loud ass crack. If anything, it'll eliminate all or most of any flash report and any concussion one may find uncomfortable.

[@werre2]

in Finland a gun owner can buy suppressors as many as they like and without any paperwork. They are considered safety devices to protect dog&human ears. But oddly, manufacturing one requires a permit so no 3D printed 22 suppressors...

[@Whiskey11Gaming]

I bring this up all the time how Europe has a much more... open... view on Suppressors and generally get it thrown back at me that Europe is also significantly more strict on who has access to firearms to begin with. As much as I'd love to have more open access to suppressors, adopting that level of regulation is worse.

[@akjohnmahaney]

And cheaper than here

[@testing2741]

I made a Quorra answer on why cans cost so much that documents the same level device that sell for >$1000 here sell for

[@tonyabsoluteam3456]

so what are the prices like?

[@jmbzrx1200]

Isn’t it funny how one group of people here love to say how great Europe is because _______ but pretend this doesn’t exist.

[@sullimd]

Every single buddy of mine says the same thing: “Man that’s a long time to wait!” And I say the same thing every time: “If you would have bought one last time we had this conversation you’d have one by now.” Now I have 5. They all still have zero. Be a man, have some patience.

[@John-tx1wk]

That's not just the truth, it's the damn truth. I've had that conversation with more than a few folks. It's all pretty simple: put in your paperwork, pay your good time tax and forget about it. Be surprised when you get the call or email that you can pick up your brand new, super duper whisper pickle.

[@edwardlee1858]

Same here. I keep telling my friends this. Im at 4 with another pending. Plus a couple of SBRs and SBSs Have a another can pending. Got my first one 2020, just cause I was bored from my job being shutdown for over 2 months. Realized it was pretty easy even during the times of paper filing. Now it’s just a part of my morning routine checking for that eforms notification. One of my buddies has some where in the teens, but everyone else has zero. We’re pushing our friends pretty hard now that the wait times are pretty quick. No excuses now bitches. Lol

[@scout3058]

I just got my first one yesterday after 230 days waiting while new applicants are getting them in 2 days, 3 hours, or 2 weeks. It's absolute bullshit.

[@BestBoricua]

Be a man, pay the extortion tax.

[@timesque9790]

And you are on a list ,,and your buddy's isn't

[@shannonmarcantel7993]

They already meet the threshold of common use which is about 230,000 units.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

There is no threshold for common use. Common use is a section of a ruling, not the ruling itself.

[@shannonmarcantel7993]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz at a minimum the threshold in Caetano would likely be upheld barring an activist court

[@Wick-d_Trucking]

I’ve seen companies have sales where they will “pay” for the tax stamp. They absolutely can afford to lower their prices by a significant margin. With all the advancements in production methods, there will also be cheaper options come to market. That competition in the market place will lower prices. Will there be a supply and demand issue causing a surge when deregulated, more than likely. But simply looking at the firearms market shows that over the years cheaper options have come to the market. You can get a m&p shield on sale for like $250. There are ar15s on the market for $3-400. When the gatekeeping is removed companies will absolutely provide cheaper alternatives. No ffl/sot will be required for manufacturing. I would not doubt that PSA would bring an affordable to the market in a timely manner. Also, let’s not forget that an oil filter is pretty effective. The use of those may even take a bite into the market for the po boys (probably insignificant, but likely measurable 1%?). There’s gonna be some backwoods hillbilly shit going on when people aren’t afraid of experimenting. The idea of a muffler is not rocket science. You’re out of your mind to deny prices will come down.

[@pillscottvt6628]

Look at silencer prices in New Zealand, that's what nonregulated would look like,

[@SirJohnBoanerges]

And over the counter same day service.

[@tonyabsoluteam3456]

yeah but this is America. we wouldn't see prices like that for 30 plus years after deregulation. if it all.

[@robertsmith2956]

But you can't have a gun to attach it to.

[@elzippo488]

@@tonyabsoluteam3456 Especially with the current Global Alloy Shortage and Sanctions against Russia and China, and more coming against India any day now.

[@gbear34]

I used to be a 'hold out for deregulation' guy, but now I'm thinking as many of us as possible need to purchase them so there is a better chance of deregulation in the future.

[@dancopp5607]

and purchase as many cans as you can. Common Use is king!

[@jrstoelting]

I didn’t think I’d ever get one just due to all the paperwork and fingerprinting and hassle. After I got one, well, I think every firearm should have one. Integrally suppressed rifles should be common. It should be an easy add on. “Ok, for a safe and an enjoyable shooting day, for this range package, with your firearm, you should get a range bag, eye protection, and hearing protection. And a suppressor, of course.”

[@rodiculous9464]

​@@jrstoeltingthe other thing is they regulate stupid things. I should be able to make a coke bottle or fuel filter suppressor for laughs with no restrictions. These are common household items and it shouldnt matter if i want to screw them on a gun.

[@robgrey6183]

Millions of people bought bumpstocks. In 2018 the DOJ "amended" the regulations and made them felons. Wake up!

[@obummer14-4]

@rodiculous9464 And what was the material cost of that???? Probably a whole lot less than seven hundred dollars right???

[@tonydiego5827]

The fact that this guy in the channel thinks the ATF follows the rules (“they can’t do that, congress has to do that”) is mind boggling.

[@fakename287]

That’s such a stupid argument, why even bring it up? By your logic, why even buy a gun at all if the atf and congress can just “do whatever they want” and make all guns 100% illegal tomorrow? What’s stopping nato from deploying the fema camps RIGHT NOW?

[@alkatraz501]

Right? Was this clown asleep during the pistol brace issue or the bumpstock issue or the forced reset issue?

[@TMHonfire102]

James Yeager came to me in a dream last night, he told me to mount XS sights on my G19 or he was gunna break my back in the after life.

[@onmyworkbench7000]

If more companies were producing them the price would go down *_A LOT!!!_* Competition is *_A GOOD THING!!!_* At 200,000 they are already in common use. They changed the rules regarding *_pistol braces and frames and receivers with out CONGRESS_* passing a new *_LAWS!!!_*

[@fattigla]

Just print out a form 5 and put it in the safe with your stamps. They'll find it when it's needed.

[@tangoprime]

Yup. Whatever I have that’s not already owned by our family trust has a pre-filled form 5 in the file cabinet.

[@tonyabsoluteam3456]

@@tangoprime how does the form 5 work?

[@tonyabsoluteam3456]

how does the form 5 work?

[@tangoprime]

@@tonyabsoluteam3456 works pretty much just like a form 4, but no tax payment required, and has a few additional fields. In this case, there's a box you'd check for "Firearm is being transferred to a lawful heir or by operation of law" and a line for "Decedent’s Name, Address, and Date of Death" - ATF examiner will likely get in touch and request a copy of the death certificate. As mentioned, for anything I don't already have in a family trust, I've got some mostly pre-filled Form 5s in my file cabinet with my other NFA paperwork. I've used a Form 5 to transfer an inherited machine gun and it was relatively easy - and the ATF isn't going to swoop in and take the stuff as soon as the owner passes away, they're not nearly that efficient. Just do the paperwork, they'll approve it, probably give you a "sorry for your loss" somewhere in the back and forth, and that's that.

[@knottheory79220]

I've always been told that a $100 suppressor would be good enough to get most firearms below the decibel levels that hurt your hearing, but no one makes them because there's no reason to make a $100 can that costs $300 with a tax stamp. So it's not that today's $700 suppressor will suddenly plummet to $100, it's that the $100 suppressor will suddenly exist.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

No

[@DinoNucci]

Wat

[@TheAT5000]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel , could you please explain what you mean by, "no"? A deregulated free market would definitely fall into the rule of supply and demand. All these $60 monocore "solvent traps" would be available everywhere. It's just capitalism instead of communism. Goods will be more affordable.

[@SomeGuyAsWell]

I could see cheap suppressors hitting the market if they were removed from the NFA. Not sure about the quality. Probably a lot of "finished Solvent Trap off Wish" options. Those might be under $100.

[@DinoNucci]

@@TheAT5000 fair

[@durchh7]

If they're deregulated I would assume there would be far more manufacturers and more pricing competition dropping prices. Thats what im hoping atleast. Lol

[@svbarryduckworth628]

Remember when ARs were only made by a couple of companies? Back then a Mini-14 was the cheap option for a 5.56mm platform even though they were made only by Ruger. Competition and economies of scale always drop prices. I remember when a 20MB hard drive was a couple hundred dollars. MEGA byte, not Giga or Tera. And that's back when minimum wage was $2/hour. Add a zero for today's prices.

[@floivanus]

People should’ve been paying attention to the solvent trap stuff; $300 all Titanium and 17-4 stainless steel rifle cans 😂

[@matthewfuqua5281]

I think what you might actually see are cheap rimfire and pistol cans. The low pressure, aluminum cans could be made cheaper but I think they’d only exist in a nfa free world. No one would buy a budget suppressor that was fragile or required low firing schedules if they had to pay for another stamp when they dropped their pistol one time and bent their can. But if a rimfire can was $200 and no stamp it could be considered almost like a disposable item. My two cents

[@svbarryduckworth628]

There would be many DIY options (running from barely effective to pretty decent) that would be not too expensive if the NFA/GCA didn't exist.

[@atomicsmith]

A friend went hunting in NZ a few years ago. His guide had a can on his 308. Asked him how much he paid for it and he said about $100.

[@gillieshooter4742]

yeah that's kinda how I always interpreted it... sure it might have easier entry into the business and increased competition and all that jazz... but the big one would be the opening of a the market for NON-bombproof suppressors. You are out of your mind if you toss uncle Sam $200 and wait a year for a suppressor that wont outlast your grandkids, but remove that tax and suddenly a "disposable" suppressor that eats itself alive after a few thousand rounds suddenly looks pretty good.

[@robertsmith2956]

your buying the tax stamp. You can put the same serial number on a better made suppressor when the tinfoil one fails.

[@Everything2A]

Finally an upside inflation. Everything cost 30% more than it did 5 years ago that also means that $200 tax stamp is locked basically making it a lot easier to come up with that money.

[@Arkancide]

For me, not buying a suppressor is a tolerance issue. I'm only just able to tolerate the hoops and paperwork to buy a gun. Any further hoops and I balk like a horse you want to jump through fire into a pit of snakes. You aren't stupid for jumping those hoops, I'm just crazy stubborn.

[@SkippyTarbuckle]

You're not alone there.

[@milsurprifles]

Each person should do what they like in regards to buying suppressors, but I am on my 4th, and shooting suppressed is a whole other world. I am so glad I just paid the stupid $200. Sure, you could wait until they are an over-the-counter purchase, but you are depriving yourself of a lot of fun over $200. Shooting is expensive, in the long run $200 ain’t much. Silencer shop has the process down to using their kiosk/atm-style machines. And once you’re in their system, you can just do it all online for future purchases. Add to that, wait times are down to 1-10 days in most areas. You should reconsider, you’re missing out on a heck of a lot of fun. Cheers!🍻

[@garysnyder6020]

Once they are deregulated, how cheep is "I'll make my own?" I don't think they will ever be deregulated in fact, you will be lucky to keep the firearm that it's attached to. People in Pa are about to understand how you become a felon overnight.

[@NoWr2Run]

What's going on in PA. ?

[@svbarryduckworth628]

After regime change.

[@johnnyh4666]

Materials are materials. Whether someone else makes it (Form 4) or you make your own. (Form 1)

[@johnw4999]

Thank you for clarifying the Form 5 part!

[@ivcuz9933]

If suppressors were deregulated of course the current $1,000 can would not suddenly be cheaper, what would happen instead is that every one could now produce suppressors without jumping through hoops, therefore bringing cheaper alternatives to the market and also allowing DIY options for extremely cheap.

[@Hornet135]

Also, that $1000 can would have to drop in price to remain competitive.

[@comp20B]

An NFA trust allows other people on the trust to possess those NFA items. That is important to many people. As well as making the transfer of NFA items easy upon death; reduce the work needed by your spouse/family.

[@1259bogs]

My main reason has been that previous I couldn’t squeeze suppressors into my budget. Second I didn’t like the wait times. Now they I can afford them and wait times are low…what I want is out of stock…perfect!

[@NCrdwlf]

Nice presentation . I waited longer than most to get one , but now don’t shoot without one unless I’m shooting my ww1 or WW2 stuff.

[@RobCalhounPGH]

Suppressors are incredibly simple to make. If there was no longer a prison sentence attached, every machinist would be cranking them out for weekend cash.

[@kongvue5160]

Yep. Agree. It was a definite no for me because of wait time. Now that wait time is days to weeks. I'm really wanting to purchase one. Now if prices and new suppressors are lower than existing. I would definitely purchase a few.

[@Pappy7064]

A lot of what you said is true but we currently have a lawless government. So all of those legal statements you made aren't very comforting. I'll add registering an SBR or Silencer or any other NFA item means you are now on a direct access list as owning them and where they are stored, which makes it far easier to find you when they come to take them. Think of it as having to register all of your firearms. We all say we are against universal background checks because it will create a database. Registering an NFA item IS creating a Database. Seems kind of counter intuitive.

[@XskiXedgeX]

I have also had to correct a lot of my friends and family with them thinking the Suppressor is only authorized to be used on ONE of your firearms per tax stamp.

[@doejohn8674]

In Switzerland you need a "may issue" permit from the cantonal police to purchase up to 3 silencers (around 110 USD fee) from the same seller. They are less restrictive in delivering permits now, at least in some cantons. Prices are starting at 50 bucks for a cheap .22 can and go up to 900-1000 for B&T RBS, and 2k for titanium suppressors.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

Some suppressors are more expensive at launch, for instance the Rugged Alaskan was running 1,100 plus. Now, it is around 800.

[@ROE675]

The suppressors in Europe where guns are heavily regulated but suppressors are not, they tend to have lower prices. However the reason is that in the USA where it might take 13 months (thanks ATF) to get and cost a $200 tax stamp we tend to buy extremely high quality suppressors that cost more because we can't just run down and pick up a replacement.

[@haroldlee4037]

Only really good reason to have a trust is that trustees can use the registered item outside the direct supervision of the purchaser of the can. For example, if I buy a suppressor and have it on an individual form 4, I cannot let my wife use it outside of my presence (I think the actual verbiage is "outside of direct control"). However, if she is a trustee on the trust, she can legally be in possession of the suppressor outside of my presence.

[@John-n-Ashley]

I did the Trust option from Silencer Central for my first two. I got them two months ago after waiting 14 months. I went individual on last week’s order hoping that it will be faster!

[@cfoutdoors0624]

The comment about the poverty ponies had me chuckling. I too have the poverty pony shorties! 😂

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Me too

[@mississippibilly_]

​@@VSO_Gun_Channel I've been waiting 17 days for Witt to ship to my FFL is that normal in this new era of approvals

[@Reblwitoutacause]

Dude has the Hot vs Crazy Matrix framed on his wall behind him? That's an instant like and follow from me.

[@MR-kl2ul]

Good argument for more integral suppression, off the shelf purchase

[@dorzak975]

Politicians trot out repealing the NFA knowing it won't pass to sucker people into voting for them. Same with the Affordable Care Act, Nationwide Reprocity for CCW, etc.

[@MurderedProletariat]

Thankfully 29 states now have constitutional carry. So ccw reciprocity is becoming a defacto thing pretty quickly.

[@bwea3712]

Thanks, I actually had no knowledge of the form 5 info which pretty much negates any reason I wanted a trust.

[@ETHRON1]

If there is 2.6 million cans out there (in 42 states) that is 61,904+ per state, wouldn't that make them in "common use"..🤔😉

[@idahocartel]

Currently almost all suppressors is on back order and non in retailers can the new turn arounds, so now we are back to long months waiting

[@benjaminhughes2226]

This video's points are predicated on the foundation that i can actually "trust" the Feds to act in good faith. I lost THAT sense years ago.

[@EliAngwin]

Sorry But, there may be some advanced tech that goes into manufacturing some of them- but, they are pretty basic and most anyone with a little bit of mechanical knowledge and some shop equipment could build one pretty easily- that will at least cut sound by 1/2 or more. It’s absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than price gouging that companies get thousands for some of them- even if they’re made out of titanium.

[@TeranRealtor]

I was wondering if companies would pop up with parts for people who will do this once they are off the NFA. Or something like an 80% item....

[@robertsmith2956]

@@TeranRealtor They already are. We call them oil filters. ATF calls them suppressors. LOL

[@MealTeam6_]

These are all things I have heard at my local Rural King gun counter. Hilarious

[@robgrey6183]

Is it "hilarious" how the ATF just raided and k*lled that guy in Maryland?

[@paulis7319]

Just as I was seriously considering SBRing my ATI poverty pony. Thanks a lot 🤣

[@rodiculous9464]

Ive been on the fence but really tempted by the wait times. I hope you are right about common use. Would love to see them deregulated in our lifetime.

[@jnam00]

youre right but also there will be an increase in manufacturers, bringing the price down... so i dont think a suppressor will ever be more than 4-5 benjamins

[@bugoutjeep8065]

I did hold off a little when Rs were in charge and there was the hpa with a little momentum, but I already have a suppressor and wasn’t wanting to drop $1k or more. I mainly wait because my current suppressor meets my needs and I don’t like spending $1k if I’m not forced to. Suppressors will drop considerably in cost if they stop being regulated. Though some manufacturers may not be able to keep their doors open because they can’t mass produce items as cost efficient as other manufacturers when the market explodes and then settles but the day they aren’t regulated, manufacturers won’t be same to take a lunch break for years trying to net demand. All things regulated are much more expensive, look at cars, food, health care, etc in other countries.

[@voteholyk]

Yes, the ATF cannot come inspect your NFA items. It have never happened. They cannot even do that with home based FFL's. You are 100% right.

[@mfallen6894]

I thought all FFL could be audited once per year? The guy I use (home FFL) claims he had his 4473's audited the last time I transferred a gun to him. Though maybe there's more to the story than he let on...

[@voteholyk]

@@mfallen6894 Yes they can audit you once a year, but they will call you and you can meet them somewhere to inspect your books. They will never just show up at your house and demand to see your guns.

[@shooterspodcast8667]

Thank you for the information. Good to know.

[@crashtastic342]

I’ve been preaching this to my customers for years almost word for word. I hear this shit every day from people.

[@ElmCreekSmith]

At one of my LGSs, they are selling some .22LR suppressors as low as $250.00. If they could get 9×19mm Parabellum suppressors down near the same price point I'd be first in line to buy one, tax or no.

[@leatherneckprepper4477]

Every time you use the word common use, my ex-wife pops into my head. Because here in Tennessee and the current state in which she resides, she is in common use if you know what I mean.

[@SourpatchAirsoft]

Great video! Although the bait & switch is probably most likely of the options. We saw it with braces very recently and braces are much less significant than suppressors so wouldn't surprise me a bit if they tried to pass a bill making people felons

[@ehornad]

Last few years, everything i buy is optics ready. At 50, my eyes have changed, but im still faster with irons. When the day comes, all i have to do is remove plates and install rds.

[@robertsmith2956]

I'm looking forward to going blind. Me and my carry eye dog can go anywhere. Not even popo stations have braille No Gun signs.

[@toddk1377]

I personally can care less about the cost of the suppressor itself, for me, I don't like the idea of tax stamps as I prefer to not give the government any more information or money than they already have or take from me, but it's hard to not want to have at least one suppressor just for the fun factor alone.

[@TheBandit59]

I got a Banish 30 gold, and .45 can. This is my first experience with a suppressor. I was thinking of another 30 caliber can and a .22 can, Would you give me your opinion of your pick for both. Just recently I was able to build a .300 blackout Sig Rattler, with subsonic ammo, I thought it was pretty quiet

[@notsogreat123]

It's best not to deal with the NFA ! We need to REPEAL the NFA ! Period

[@dshawgo]

#3 Bait and switch/Honey pot trap So you are saying the ATF can't change a rule. Aren't we fighting just that, pertaining to bump stocks, pistol braces, and 80% frames? Why are we spending millions of dollars in court instead of Congress amending the law.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Theyre not getting rid of NFA items, the challenge is if those things _ARE_ (or create) NFA items. Theyre not getting rid of braces, theyre treating braces as stocks, but theyre not removing SBRs. Bumpstocks are touchy because of the Hughes Amendment but theyre trying to eliminate pre-86 transferables.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

@@dshawgo and again, youre not getting the point. NFA items are very well established, the ATF isnt trying to get rid of them, theyre just enforcing it under their interpretation. The enforcement of existing NFA items isnt changing.

[@dshawgo]

My point is, he said "they're trying to increase the number of people on the registry so that they can change the rule and create a whole bunch of felons . Well, the thing about that is that would require an act of Congress." That is exactly what they have done with the pistol braces rule, the bumpstock rule, and the machine gun rule. Pistol braces have been lawful for years. So have bumpstocks. Lightning links were unlawful but drawings on metal were not. I know that in the 1990s you could buy a tube with the print of the cutouts to make a STEN receiver bonded to it. If you owned the parts to assemble it, it was then unlawful. They just don't think they need Congress to get involved and that's not what the Constitution says.

[@1776goodfight]

I purchased one about 5 years ago for an SBR. Mostly for blast suppression and a little sound suppression. I worked for the government in security work for DoD with a security clearance. Didn’t make any difference took a year to get it. Lol😂

[@crisincebu]

if they get deregulated then you will see companies like PSA and others start making and selling them cheaper . they will clone the good ones and just sell cheaper. the ar15 market is perfect example .

[@MrSoonermadman]

What does a suppressor cost overseas where I hear they hang on racks like tools at Home Depot?

[@dancopp5607]

Math is hard, Economic's is harder. Suppy and Demand is "Vudu"! I shit you not!

[@TerryCheever]

It took the deliberate foot draggers about 10 months on my most recent suppressor and SBR, and I have been thinking about getting a suppressor for my Glock though I'm still mental self-debating if I really need one. I do have a threaded barrel and am using a compensator on it, just not sure if I want to step up to a suppressor and the needed sight swap to properly use it that way.

[@dennishines9996]

The ATF can change the rules at any time you're wrong about that Fourth Amendment 💩.

[@robgrey6183]

Bumpstocks. Millions owned them. DOJ "amended" the rules in 2018. Suddenly millions were potential felons.

[@Michael-ex8lk]

Deregulation would initially drive prices up due to demand and lack of supply. Afterwards people would probably start manufacturing them since it's now legal to do so and it would then drive prices down due to competition opening up. Hell you could make your own for less than $50 if you have the knowledge. It won't be better than what you could buy, but it would still work.

[@robertsmith2956]

It would be BETTTER than what you can buy, You can even make a latch attachment method since you can't thread your barrel in crazy blue states. I had the problem because ATF wanted the tax for every barrel on my Gatling gun. So I had to figure out how to make one silencer for all the barrels.

[@dannymeadowswa6mqz212]

Them markings on the supressor need to be removed from ear protection.😂😂😅😅😂❤😊

[@robertsmith2956]

I can't understand why OSHA doesn't go after the ATF. Gun range workers hearing is being harmed.

[@hbomatt]

I open carry a silenced Beretta m9a4. I've had 3 cops ask to see my tax stamp. 2 called an ATF agent after I told them to politely pound sand. ATF agents said no thanks to driving an hour to see my stamp 😂

[@DinoNucci]

Fake news

[@janicejohnson1334]

Shbomatt sure sounds like a wanne B to me . . .

[@RezaQin]

Open carry makes you a target.

[@hbomatt]

@@RezaQin not really

[@nicke1903]

Its the "inspection at will" that gets me, I dont like it when family just shows up, let alone strangers.Your daughter could have passed away 7mins ago and you HAVE to let them in.....Im good.

[@randyhanson837]

The thing that burns my cork is that a state (CA) can ban suppressors entirely. It is a Federal NFA item and if you want one you pay a Federal tax under Federal jurisdiction and it is a mystery how a state law can take precedence over a federal law.

[@robertsmith2956]

Only way I can see is you didn't buy bullets as well. That is what I can't figure out in these blue sh*tholes. Everyone should have a machine gun, or SBR so they are exempt from the state nutcase laws. They don't even attempt to ban machines guns, only scary guns that look like them.

[@trentonricker5009]

The one thing about the Trusts. Here in WA, sbrs, suppressors, any nfa item can only be transferred once. With a Trust, there is no Transferring, therefore it can continually be passed down. State law bs

[@G1Android]

I was shocked when I got my most recent suppressor 2 weeks ago. I went in on a Tuesday to do the eform and I got a call on Thursday from my FFL saying it was approved and ready for pickup. Sure as heck beats the almost 11 months it took for my last one in 2021. With regards to them getting cheaper, the only way that will actually happen is after deregulation is there will be a flood of cheap imported crap cans hit the market, but the quality ones won't really get cheaper.

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

I died at "poverty ponies." 😂😂

[@AfCalnd]

With the “Safety First “ culture that is omnipresent in the US, I haven’t been able to figure out why suppressors aren’t required especially by OSHA for security people.

[@johnstraub7494]

From what I heard recently, the ATF has done something that actually makes sense. They have cut out the applications that have issues and are approving applications that have no problems. Approval comes in as little as a day or so. Still have the 200 dollar tax stamp per suppressor. And the cost of suppressors will not reduce anytime soon.

[@DT-jz3wn]

The elephant in the room regarding suppressor costs is Holding Cost. Part of the pricing of suppressors is the relative Velocity of Inventory. The amount of time that a can sits awaiting final delivery, the costs of the transfer processes and a number of other factors is what causes the pricing increase over a highly fluid marketplace.

[@fattigla]

The silencers that are currently available for retail sale will never go down. The Barrett semi-auto 50BMG rifles are still out of many people's budget. They require no special paperwork in most locals. There most certainly will be some cheaper cost and cheaper quality silencers made for retail if silencers are deregulated.

[@cdawson198600]

Barrett also has tons of military contracts, that will keep the price up alone.

[@DinoNucci]

You think you can buy a .50 suppressor without paperwork huh

[@fattigla]

@@DinoNucci If you read my comment, you will see that I was talking about 50 bmg rifles, not suppressors. I was drawing a correlation to some things just being expensive, due to a variety of factors, regulation not necessarily being one of them.

[@woodrowcall3158]

I had an opportunity to speak with an administrative level employee of the ATF. She was actually a nice lady, very knowledgeable, and over the course of a few days an interesting subject came up. In 2016, the ATF collected $62,596,000 in excise taxes for transfers and manufacturing of NFA items. For every $200 collected by the ATF for transfers and manufacturing, the agency expended $4,792.63. Broken down just to the industry support branch of the NFA division, that one small portion of the agency expends $316.56 for every tax stamp processed.

[@TheSigp220]

You don’t think they know they’re going to lose the TX suppressor case so lower wait times to get as many on registry before hand? Not claiming it as fact, just a thought that makes sense to me.

[@seanberthiaume8240]

I waited 153 days for my "approval" and what's STRANGE is I was "approved" on 1/1/24! Happy New Year right!?

[@robertsmith2956]

They had someone working? He must have had a hangover to stamp it approved.

[@mhcaffey120]

You obviously have no idea how competition works. You really believe there wont be more manufacturer's if they are deregulated? Damn you really have no clue how economics works. You must have got your economics degree the same place AOC did.

[@blueeyeddevil1]

He also seems to think the ATF plays by the rules 🤣 They often don't, preferring instead to take their chances and deal with the violations in court if it comes to that.

[@MyxeQ]

Since wait times are not an advantage for trusts at this time, the only other good reason I see for an NFA trust is the ability to have multiple legal possessors of the NFA items. I have twin friends who use a trust so they can legally trade items back and forth.

[@robertsmith2956]

Divorce is a good reason NOT to have a trust. To her it is worthless and has no value so can't use it to up her alimony.

[@silvermine2033]

Don't forget to join the American Suppressor Association (ASA) if not already a member!

[@GmanGSW]

Good comment. I'll bet most don't really know about the ASA. I didn't for years, then gave money and do. They do, primarily, for Suppressors what GOA, FPC, SAF, NAGR+ do for firearms, primarily. I'm a member of all of 'em and forget to bring up the ASA and my state groups... only due to length.

[@Shadow__133]

Don't forget: Acoustical Society of America American Sailing Association American Society of Anesthesiologist Aviation Supplies and Academics Academic and Student Affairs American Statistical Association Archery Shooters Association

[@GmanGSW]

@@Shadow__133 Good one! 😂

[@jackdundon2261]

I SCREWED my suppressor on REAL S-L-O-W, and it still doesn't go PEW! ITS STILL REALLY LOUD!!!

[@elzippo488]

Regarding #5... (FF to 10:38) FACT: If your survivors get caught in possession YOUR NFA items after you pass, before they've had a chance to find out about or file a n ATF Form 5, they are looking at 10 years in Hotel Graybar and a $250,0000 file. Get a Trust and add them to it.

[@PrayingPanda]

You're being disingenuous with your 1st point. They will be cheaper later. What people are saying is that if suppressors were deregulated/taken off the NFA, within a relatively short time (after the initial panic buy wave and subsequent drought) the popular cans that cost 700+ will be usurped by cans that do the same but cost around 350-550 max. You'll have cans that will be 200 dollars that may be good enough.

[@PrayingPanda]

Look at ammo during California's freedom week. California residents had the option to Stull buy more expensive ammo locally but many ordered cheaper ammo online or went out of state.

[@PrayingPanda]

Look at the price of AR-15s in 2004 vs 2024. Or 2013 vs 2017. More customers will result in more companies making more and cheaper products. More people will buy the PSA of Suppressors vs the Daniel Defense of suppressors.

[@seanfoltz7645]

My favorite dumb comment is from the folks who say that they are waiting for the waiting period to go down from a year...and have been waiting for that for several years.

[@robininthehood9517]

Retail works that way?

[@2009Berghof]

As a former Class 3 SOT dealer I've always been amazed how people talk themselves out of getting what they want. "Well yes, but I don't want to go through..." My favorite was hearing people say while I am at a show selling NFA items... "I got one of those, but I did not pay $200." To which I'd respond, "That $200 stamp will be the cheapest lawyer bill you will get if and when they catch you." Their comeback, "They'll take yours away someday." My response. "They will take yours away today if they discover yours." I'd like to add that, how often do you hear the anti-gun folks even mention the NFA? (NEVER.) The NFA has always been an item that the government prefers the illusion that you cannot own these things. Even Biden continues with the myth. It does not fit the antis "BAN" agenda.

[@justthetip5534]

I've alwast told people to buy one not and forget about buying the can and if you time it right it'll be a nice Christmas present for you or random surprise from yourself. Another one is their stamp would have been approved if you bought one when you learned about silencers.

[@DrJayM]

Average cost of manufacture direct markup: 50% Average cost of distributor markup: 30%

[@frankb8616]

i bought a hyperion and helios in Nov still havent got them.. WTH?

[@SUPERBUBU-jb9tl]

people need to start mass buying and registering suppressors in bulk just to piss off the ATF

[@dancopp5607]

Money? Don't even go there!😂😂😂😂😢

[@bloodpoolyt]

i can see how people would believe they could be cheaper / less expensive only due to more manufactures would start making them, a couple of stamped steel welded or machine cut threaded baffles.... i just bought a 22lr silencer for 250 im sure 80-150 range isnt impossible. at that price point it beats some muzzle prices but again i wouldnt expect a "quiet" high quality / durable product, but anything is better than nothing? the current manufactures would probably offer a " cheaper " solution to be competitive but their proven top cans wont drop. I think it would be the same way optics are theres +$1000 red dots and theres $20-100 red dot / reflexes the companies that make +1k products arent dropping their prices becuase cvlife or cylee or fake vortex company made something but as consumers we get a wider range of prices that might be the step to buying higher quality parts or just an intro into that market.

[@velvetant]

Michigan put into its law when it legalized SBRs and SBSs that we must show local and State law enforcement proof of ownership (Form 1 or Form 4) when we have the weapons/suppressors. If we don't have the forms, then law enforcement can immediately confiscate the weapons and we have 40 days to bring proof.

[@robertsmith2956]

Then you make a citizens arrest since they did not pay for the stamp to transfer it so can't take it.

[@bobinch4835]

John Wick can have a firefight in the middle of a subway without anyone hearing a thing because suppressors are that overpowered.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

🤦‍♂️

[@Hellsong89]

Now that HAS TO BE joke... For anyone that didnt realize this, even the potentially worlds most quiet 22lr rifle De Lisle carbine with its integrated suppressor with weakest subsonic ammo will create 85.5 dB. That is like having vacuum cleaner turned on next to you.. you will notice it even with background noise.

[@phillipk1258]

Did you see the Fudd Busters’ KZbin short from 3/21 about common use? Curious of your thoughts

[@stanants8566]

Since I live in the comunist state or Hellinois so after the federal restrictions go away there will be a 2 to 5 year fight with Illinois' ban on supressers so Ill see the$500 price points.

[@robertsmith2956]

add a bell housing so it is LOUDER and they can't say it is a suppressor. 😇

[@brianrhoades8310]

Sadly i live in NY and can't get them here.

[@arimadx]

Wait. These damn things cost 500-700 bucks??? That's insanity! Lmfao. I'm just getting into gun and my mind has been blown over and over again. Kinda like "budget" means less than 1000$. I mean maybe to rich folks....😂

[@5jjt]

What's occuring when what I am typing has a massive delay when typing each letter?

[@grocerylist]

Suppressors have already gotten more expensive or at least the sale prices are no longer commonplace since ATF approvals have accelerated.