7 jiu jitsu guards to avoid for MMA

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Just stand up!!! 😤

[@Thismandoesstuffsometimes]

Buhhh

[@TheChadavis33]

Hahaha. He should of watched more Craig Jones and Khabib

[@joshbeambjj]

The ol’ Derrick Lewis defense 😂 thanks for the help on this video Jesse!

[@stango141]

Jesse I always feel American Folkstyle Wrestling is the best base for Fighting. It's the only style where you are incentivized to stand up and get away.

[@Pifagorass]

​@@stango141just cross the train man. Wrestling, Grappling, Striking, and Acrobatics

[@mpolo1606]

Although I agree with the conclusions, the demonstration is not accurate cause obviously Oliver is familiar with and a fully capable grappler, so he knows how to deal with your guard. If you get 2 capable grapplers but only give one the ability to also strike, that person will 100% have the advantage. He melted through your guard, all while also striking. Even when he was in turtle, he knew exactly how to deal with your back take. A rando off the street won't be nearly as capable. Regardless, the lesson is, get off your back as quickly as possible, which I 100% agree with.

[@joshbeambjj]

That’s a good point! I should try this against either a pure boxer or nak Muay, and/or someone off the street who doesn’t know how to fight 🤔

[@elenchus]

@@joshbeambjj Yeah I think doing this against someone untrained (for SD) or a kickboxer (for combat sports; I wouldn't use a boxer because kicking seems like a very obvious temptation on a downed opponent) with no meaningful jiujitsu/judo/wrestling training would be more informative. Right now this just proves that MMA > jiujitsu, which I don't think is surprising, that's been the meta since like the early 2000s.

[@WaLor-ld3wg]

I think the whole point of the video is to simply prove a point on why you wouldn't want to a one deminsional fighter.

[@WaLor-ld3wg]

​@@elenchusgrappling has been the meta for mma because of how well you can mix it up with striking. Nearly every successful grappler adapts a striker stance and do a stand up fignting gimmick for a little while, and then full blast themselves into grappling mode. It's a common tactic grapplers uses againat strikers.

[@Ajfmaizy]

Yeah. And the skill difference too!

[@gabrielwalton4097]

Always cool to see Oliver Enkamp, fun video!

[@joshbeambjj]

He’s a beast! Thanks for watching 🙏

[@franraps4784]

My MMA teacher is a BJJ Black Belt and Luta Livre Black Belt, and he always says "you could be great in BJJ, but in a fight... when you get punched in the face, all changes. You don't want to be in the bottom position".

[@kallepikku4991]

That's his Luta Livre side talking sense.

[@CervusGreen]

In my limited experience, the adjustment you need when using BJJ in a striking context is you can't be defensive and you can't relax. Sweep l, sub, or stand up as quickly as you can. Staying on bottom will cause you to eat strikes.

[@joshbeambjj]

Great advice, thanks for watching!

[@SalsaBailaProductions]

Very interesting positional study when punches are thrown loved it

[@scottmarlow6018]

Great content! I really like how you break each of these positions with a grading system. Well done!

[@joshbeambjj]

Appreciate it, thanks for watching! Glad you liked it.

[@andre.allday99]

I've just joined as a monthly Josh Beam BJJ paid member! Epic content man! 🔥

[@joshbeambjj]

Yo what’s up Andre! Hahaha hell yeah thanks man 🙏 glad you’re liking it. Can’t wait for our competition in a few weeks 👀

[@kaisermojica4216]

This is great video and topic to discuss, it really depends what a persons goals are but doing a little mma every once in a while keeps you in check with what you can and cannot do in situations where you can strike. In our academy on rare occasions we have even explored other scenarios such as 2 against one, or the shark tank where you grapple with one person while having 2 or 3 other fresh opponents waiting their turn to tag in and jump in when you least expect it, we have also done group matches only grappling without strikes but as one team member is submitted and eliminated, the winners can gang up on their remaining opponents, it changes everything. I find that doing mma a few times a week puts my mind in a state where I don’t accept bottom position or pull guard as much as I usually do when I only train purely in sport BJJ rulesets. MMA training also helps with hand eye coordination and distance management. Great Video and commentary thanks for sharing.

[@RadicalTrivia]

8:19 - Emotional control is one of Rickson's fundamental concepts.

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

I've been training Gracie Jiu-Jitsu for 24 years. The problem here is NOT Jiu-Jitsu, the problem is you learned SPORT BJJ not actual Jiu-Jitsu. In real jiu-jitsu we ALWAYS work against strikes. Thats just part of it. These days people seem to think sport BJJ is real jiu-jitsu....it is certainly not. We also start standing. Sometimes standing against someone trying to punch and kick us. You know...like an actual fight would start? One of the base requirements to get blue belt at my school is to be able to take someone down and submit them without striking but they are trying to remove your head with strikes. You have to be able to do this consistently or no blue belt. I hope after this you can clearly see the huge divide and problem that sport BJJ has created. Lets also be honest, the MMA guy does know Jiu-jitsu. He knows actual jiu-jitsu from hearing him talk about takedowns and being on top.

[@bradleylivingston6514]

This is what I was going to say before watching the whole video.... then when I did it became very clear that even this "sport jiu jitsu" is really bad & should not be used to discuss this topic. Even if you train only sport jiu jitsu, but know how to use it, this video would have been much different.

[@andrewvasey1070]

@@bradleylivingston6514 I think a lot more of this comes down to both Oliver being a lot bigger, and being a professional, than this guys jiu jitsu being bad.

[@juancarrau10]

And the editing was incredibly perfect, love these type of videos

[@memefortime]

Really enjoyed this one. I’d love to see another one with more positions.

[@joshbeambjj]

appreciate you bro! yeah i feel like a lot of positions were missing here lol

[@juancarrau10]

This video was so fun to watch 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻

[@lukeangels]

It’s funny you’d mention Gracie Combatives, cause you could have really used that punch block series 😂 That being said I really appreciate you making this video, because I think people tend to underestimate how different Jiu-Jitsu is, as soon as there‘s punches involved. I teach self-defense Jiu-Jitsu classes at my gym and you wouldn’t believe how often I hear the phrase „I didn’t even think about that“ when people come over from the regular BJJ classes. So I think it’s a good idea to, even if there’s no specific SD classes, just grab a buddy have one of you put on some gloves and try to not get hit. It’s really useful, since it might just take one out there aaaand it’s pretty fun

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Thats because what the Gracies teach at their academy is REAL Jiu-jitsu. It was intended to work VERY well against strikes, slams etc. What the guy in the vid does is SPORT BJJ.....they are NOT the same thing, not even close.

[@lukeangels]

⁠@@dragonballjiujitsu Yes, that’s what I’m saying. It’s a shame many people aren’t aware. I also recommend my students to do at least one year of purely Gracie (or Self-Defense) Jiu-Jitsu before moving on to also practising Sport BJJ, to build a solid foundation. Similar to how Ryron and Rener handle it in their program.

[@bradleylivingston6514]

I was going to discuss the difference between sport BJJ & self defense BJJ, but then I watched the video & realized this is very poor sport BJJ vs a skilled striker. Not a good representation at all. Nothing but clickbait.

[@gwashington65]

Great video! Be on top. Stay on top.

[@joshbeambjj]

Thanks for watching! Definitely a good strategy 😂

[@GuillermoSanchez-jr6mp]

@@joshbeambjjyou’re supposed to strike as well when you use BJJ in a real life situation🤦🏽‍♂️🤣

[@seer775]

@@GuillermoSanchez-jr6mp striking from the bottom is going to lead to you getting your ass whooped.

[@PatternShift]

​ @seer775 Ivan Salaverry vs Joe Riggs, Renzo Gracie vs Oleg Taktarov, Jon Fitch vs Thiago Alves, Gegard Mousasi vs Ronaldo Jacare Souza, Niko Price vs James Vick... Look up kicks from the bottom should never be someone's Plan A, but there's a reason why every single animal that play fights kicks from the bottom position, and humans have much more striking power in their legs (though no claws... too bad.)

[@seer775]

@@PatternShift I could name you a thousand fights of dudes getting KOd from the bottom.

[@No_spirit04040]

Demian Maia used the half guard a lot in his MMA career, Virna Jandiroba still uses it very effectively too. Maia says half and butterfly are the best guards for MMA.

[@joshbeambjj]

Interesting! I need to watch some of their fights to see

[@ZugZugMahogny]

You use half guard differently in MMA from pure BJJ. The Nog brothers are also a good example

[@HenockTesfaye]

I love how BJJ gave the other martial arts a reality check in the 90s, and it's the other way around BJJ. What a time to be alive

[@F0restD]

But octopus guard would have worked for sure... Great video! Whenever I do grappling on bottom against striking I forget almost everything so I think you still did a good job repping bjj!

[@joshbeambjj]

Lol 😂 actually now that you mention it I think I’ve seen some clips of people standing up like that. Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

Honestly, these tests were against a pro MMA fighter, starting form the back, and handicapped with asymmetrical rules. "Sport" BJJ didn't do that bad really, It would be hard to find much that would do better in the same situation other than SAMBO, Catch or Wrestling.

[@bobross7473]

But not everyone is an average joe lmao

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

@@bobross7473 No they aren't. This would look very different against someone with no grappling experience.

[@bobross7473]

@@volatileepiphanies5547 but I think more people out there can fight than you guys like to admit. You like to talk about grapplers and fighters being the “elite 1%” when I don’t think it’s that black and white

[@volatileepiphanies5547]

@@bobross7473 That's the thing is you are still just assuming things. You guys always just assume things. My entire point is instead of having bullshit arguments about assumptions for 30 years we could actually put it to the test. No assumptions. And on top of it, if TMA people had put it to the test instead of arguing about hypotheticals, they could have found some actual weaknesses to BJJ instead of, as I said, speaking about hypotheticals.

[@PatternShift]

@@bobross7473 people who "can fight" but haven't trained MMA seriously or dealt with someone with good bottom grappling put themselves into triangles and armbars against people who know basic BJJ gracie combatives punch blocks. Hell, that's the history of the first several years of sports MMA. Is it a 100% formula on the bottom? No of course not, fights are fundamentally chaos, but throwing hands outside the bar doesn't train you to deal with technical grappling from any position.

[@kallepikku4991]

This video could be titled: "Wrestling vs BJJ in MMA"

[@Ozwi]

First rule of any fighting style - get off the ground - try the same tests with a traditional Judoka ( leg grabs and strikes) Olivers cross training MMA style works in the ring and the street

[@elenchus]

@@Ozwi Don’t get off the ground if you’re dominating on the ground…

[@Ozwi]

@@elenchus true but a grappler is only ever one good punch away from winning or losing

[@Bigramt]

Let's remember, this is NOT bjj vs a random untrained thug, or a pure striker This is mma vs BJJ I read comments all of the time if Someone like Khabib was similar size to Gordon Ryan? He'd get dominated in grappling Ok, but add striking and what happens? Mma is a sport but it's as close to pure combat as possible If you actually want to train for self defence, it's best to know how to take a punch. I don't care how great you are as a grappler, if someone thumps you in the street, you have to be able to take it before you can use your grappling Early ufc has taught us that a grappler will have a major advantage vs a striker in a fair fight. But personally If i had the choice? Id rather be a great striker and medicore grappler for a self defence situation, especially if there are multiple attackers Simple solution if you care about some mythical fight that will likely never happen, learn both, or carry a 🔫

[@DanT-iu6oc]

Khabib would murder Gordon Ryan. Khabib's entire style is based on using his grappling to setup for ground and pound. Gordon is entirely untested when it comes to how well he performs when being pounded in the face.

[@badart3204]

Also the rules and environment do change the dynamics. Concrete makes any knee on ground shots far less appealing but makes big throws deadly and likely to break bones. Back of the head hits change the striking game a lot as well. For practicality most people have 0 grappling instincts so strikes are what you will deal with in an unarmed confrontation

[@IamDude2]

Grappling is about takedown and control from the top position, with striking or submissions to finish, against a grappler anyone has that first punch chance, but a grappler be it judoka, JJ or wrestler will get the advantage. Just look at how many times this MMA chap was on his back or in top positions in the clips, it was a lot. From that point you’re in the roots of BJJ ie combat JJ

[@rodrigotellom]

This is BJJ vs one of the best fighters in Europe

[@bradleylivingston6514]

@@rodrigotellom this is very poor BJJ vs a striker. Not a good representation.

[@juandenz2008]

Informative and entertaining video. Some of the early marketing around BJJ exaggerated it's effectiveness - and as strikers and other martial artists became more familiar with BJJ they learned how to shutdown it's attacks. In MMA or a self defense situation BJJ is a valuable tool, but definitely not the only tool you should have in your arsenal and a person needs to be very careful about what tactics they employ.

[@zartic4life]

So basically what your saying is do traditional Judo if you want to do Jujitsu.

[@joshbeambjj]

What does traditional judo encompass?

[@danielmontilla1197]

​@@joshbeambjj Pretty much old school GJJ, but more emphasis on top control and a sort of "hit and run" approach to submissions, like takedown-straight into hadaka jime or juji.

[@mckendrick7672]

Yeah, BJJ has fundamentally gone too deep into the groundfighting side of the sport. Not that it's wrong to do so from a sport perspective - I love groundfighting as a sport, but fundamentally speaking as a grappling base for general fighting traditional judo (and arguably even modern judo) is far better suited than BJJ because of judo's focus on winning the standing fight, and maintaining superior positioning on the ground fight before considering submissions.

[@pandatom]

Japanese jujitsu​@@joshbeambjj

[@bobbydabutcha]

I would have to say Judo with a basic guard game but more importantly, ESCAPES, SWEEPS AND DEFENSE but you really have to grind that out and that can only come from BJJ training. I split my time between the two and it’s worked out much better than just straight BJJ.

[@drr398]

I understand that oliver knows grappling so deals with the guard well but at the same time he is not striking hard at all, some of these punches and elbows would be fight stoppers in pretty much every single demonstration. Truth is you would need to be a high level BJJ guy to be able to survive on your back like this.

[@TrayCaddyyy]

Josh, you should visit Gracie University headquarters in Torrance California. They teach the sport stuff but also how to defend from punches and using BJJ to do so. They have classes with gloves so everyone gets a taste of jits with hits.

[@joshbeambjj]

I definitely wanna go there and see what it’s all about!

[@The1aw]

@@joshbeambjj There are different punch protection stages they teach that would be really useful for what you are trying to do here, punch block 2 is like spider guard but with your knees, punch block 3 is using your knees to keep their strikes out of range, all the punch block stages loop into each other to manage strikes from the top person when you are on the bottom.

[@joshbeambjj]

That’s dope! Sounds useful

[@alexanderren1097]

I absolutely LOVED seeing Jessie in the 2nd season of Rokas’ Ultimate Self Defense Challenge but Oliver could have been absolutely epic in there instead. Hopefully he’ll be in a future season

[@YigitRuhselman]

Great work, love your content!

[@joshbeambjj]

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

[@ClaytonJonesImages]

I had a fight in which I tried DLR. I immediately got socked in the face by my opponent, breaking my nose. When I talked to my coach, the first thing he said was: "Never use DLR in an MMA fight." Lol Interestingly, I do see quite a lot of deep-half play in MMA (check out Fabricio Werdum as an example/pioneer), but I have noticed that they often get their heads to the rear of their opponents' bodies quite quickly. Top turtle is quite good for MMA, but generally, being on top is ALWAYS an advantage in MMA, unless you're dealing with an extremely good grappler with a VERY active guard (e.g., Chase Hooper).

[@twistedcoffee1187]

we see there is a reason why Gracie put emphasis on closed guard position.

[@ricardopmac]

Great video

[@KevinLeeVlog]

Ground of pound time! Great episode!

[@joshbeambjj]

Thanks man! I’m glad Oliver was pulling his punches 😳

[@markpatterson766]

Fun video. Half guard and deep half are interesting. Bjj instincts are just wrong against MMA. Bjj guys won't create that same style of separation. Ways to beat it are to chase them with head and underhook as done at one point. Or be scooting under or away. The first deep half attempt was funny because that was just sitting in the pocket. Need to be scooting in or out and controlling one of their legs and base or coming up to an elbow and underhook. Deep half is swinging between back door and coming up for single leg scramble Other thing with half guard is if they posture up for striking you go to other guard. Knee shield or foot on their body and push.

[@BrenTeachesMovement]

Great content as always and god damn your editing is getting amazing. Personally though, I don't know about giving 'A tier' to any bottom positions... Also rubber guard would have been interesting too, given the whole lore around (IIRC) it is that it was created for mma.

[@joshbeambjj]

Thanks bro! Honestly looking back, I agree with you 😂 I think relative to the other guards it was higher ranked, but def not in relation to striking. Oh interesting, rubber guard 🤔 I wanna try X guard too.

[@elenchus]

@@joshbeambjj With a good rubber guard/mission control you can strike off your back convincingly, a la Ferguson. It's interesting to me, and just correct me if I'm wrong here, that you didn't seem to be fighting for posture control, which in my training is very 101 in jiujitsu. You're up against a good opponent though, so it may be that you were trying and he was just not having it (and if that's the case, I wouldn't have done any better, so I don't mean that as a criticism).

[@justinholloway5210]

It's a whole new world once strikes are introduced. There's actually things easier to do in MMA match and harder to do in grappling. I find throws easier and top positioning advantage easier. So like if you are top in half guard or knee on bellty. It was easier to get into mount. Once I went knee on belly and delivered strikes to the face on my training partner. Their brain is like "ah watch out for punches" and completely misses blocking my pass to mount position. Versus in grappling it would of been more of a battle to get that mounted position.

[@conphucianism]

Oliver's grappling defense is impressive! Will we see Josh back to striking 🤔?

[@УчительиУченик]

You forgot to start from favourite Gordon Ryan's position butterfly guard 😉

[@ygren3894]

BJJ is a very tuff martial art and you can destroy someone easily. But you have to keep in mind that a BJJ sparring have rules and on the street you don't have rules. So in this situation you should kick him away with your legs what creates a very powerful kick of you do it with both legs and also you should in situation like this aiming for the groin. Also a taktical stand up is very important 0:38

[@gamotoish]

If you actively chase top position with all the right sweeps and wrestling bjj is very effective.. bottom position can be used to sweep, but not every guard is good for fighting off punches..

[@jschapir]

Cool video! It almost seems like strikes force us to not be so lazy when it comes to destabilization. If your opponent is being off balanced it would be harder for him to strike.

[@joshbeambjj]

Thanks for watching! Yeah it almost seems very similar in principle to even when strikes aren’t allowed, we don’t want people touching our head.

[@raccoonmyroom6861]

Oliver is an S tier MMA coach.

[@raadrahman2456]

your editing looks sick!! do you edit your own vids?

[@joshbeambjj]

Thank you! Yes I edit all my videos 🙏

[@JJDon5150]

Turtle is actually one of the better defensive positions in MMA. Its pretty easy to stand up from because your legs/feet are already under you versus guard, and your opponent can't lock you in the position and punch you at the same time. Obviously if you're just planning to sit on bottom its a bad position. But its primarily used against the cage in MMA to stand up and in the middle of the cage/ring to protect against punches until you can use an opening to stand up. Because your face is facing the mat and arms can cover the side of your head, you'll take less damage too since your opponent can't strike to the back of the head due to the rules.

[@luketrible]

Jiu jitsu without wrestling is just stupid. Include some Wrestling classes than u are a well rounded grappler

[@silencio5184]

Bjj is a great art but it’s not an end all be all. Just because someone won a fight using the art doesn’t mean that’s u

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

You should do this challenge again but this time you should do it with Jesse or another person who is only/mostly versed in striking. The thing about doing it with Oliver is since he is an MMA fighter, he has training in how to avoid submissions and pass various guards.

[@joshbeambjj]

good idea!

[@zhmlol]

I wouldnt do it myself but deep half has been successfully used in MMA many times. Rani Yahya, Big Nog, Shogun, Wilson Reis among others have pulled it off

[@JustinColletti]

I like the idea, but the tests and conclusions weren’t as good as they could be. Empirically speaking, we know that turtle and deep half are two of the very best bottom positions in MMA if your goal is to get up or get on top. If you are giving them both an F, it only means that you don’t understand their history, track record, or function in MMA. Turtle is the preeminent position for standing up and getting away in MMA, and your attacker showed just how effective it is for standing up and escaping bottom. This is not controversial. Similarly, deep half is statistically one of the most successful positions for sweeping in all of MMA. This should not be controversial either. The problem is you 1. Never got all the way to deep half to begin with and 2. Tried to hang out for extended periods in near-deep-half positions that aren’t actually deep half. Deep half has proven to work VERY well in MMA. However, you need your shoulder underneath his legs, and you need to move THROUGH the position. Whenever I see things like this, it’s clear that deep half isn’t the problem. It’s failing to get to deep half and instead getting stuck in positions that AREN’T full on deep half and refusing to retreat from those positions. I’d encourage further study on these two positions if you are interested in getting up from bottom in MMA. There is arguably no better option than these. Statistically, half guard is the most successful sweeping position in MMA, and deep half is possibly the most successful version of it. However, there are good and bad half guards. Either player can win the position. Similarly, turtle is one of the best positions to attack AND one of the best positions to defend and get up from. It is the single most effective way to get up from bottom. But yes, you can get knocked out there too. Lesson: Don’t wind up on bottom in MMA. BUT, if you do, turtle and deep half are statistically two of the best ways out. If you give them an F, it just means you need to learn them better.

[@kevinlobos5519]

I think the point of the video is that completely ignoring striking in your groundfighting can lead to a false sense of security, and that common tactics for pure grappling need to be adjusted when strikes come into the mix. The bjj player here didn't know how to use both positions according to this situation because he never had someone trying to beat him up with strikes while doing bjj. What is fair to point out though is that the one doing the striking here is knowledgeable in ground fighting too so that helps him a lot. Complete noobs that only have a penchant for violence would not pull this off. But still you can see the defender describing how he fell for things he normally wouldn't or not as easily because of having to worry about strikes and not knowing how to deal with them. Not too dissimilar from a striking guy that knows very little grappling facing someone with basic defense for striking and superior grappling skills.

[@tonycrown5155]

You should have this man do this experiment with a black belt who is able to neutralize the strikes. For example damian maia without using strikes would be able to lock you up in his guard and get the submission

[@JustSomeGuy69420]

I like that you aren't being a BJJ kool-aid drinker. Got my subscription.

[@hamzar1224]

You should repeat the whole thing with oliver wearing a jacket or hoodie :)

[@seancallan6061]

Eye opening for sure!

[@rs9042]

What about Donkey Guard 😂. But I wish you would of tried K Guard (there seems to be an increase of usage of this Guard in MMA) Great Video!!!

[@makaveli2778]

My coaches always say jiu jitsu becomes very simplified in the streets or when strikes are involved

[@alanx2915]

Would be more interesting if you test it against someone who has no grappling base and only striking. The thing is you're testing it against someone who clearly has very good ground game and knows how to defend subs and prevent getting swept.

[@rotten9179]

dude literally buggy chokes people in bellator

[@dimitrioskontsiotis2267]

This guy seems like he does sport Jiu-jitsu. This is why I like Gracie Jiu-jitsu. Gracie Jiu-jitsu teaches Jiu-jitsu techniques, but they take into account someone being able to punch you. They teach you how to defend yourself if someone's trying to punch you, kick you, elbow you, knee you, eye gouge, or headbutt. They teach you how to get out of a headlock, and how to defend yourself if someone's pinning you down to the ground and they're throwing punches down on you. They have the punch block series from the guard that teaches you how to defend against punches in your closed guard and how to do sweeps and submissions. Rener and Ryron Gracie have many Gracie Combatives videos. In my opinion Gracie Jiu-jitsu translates better to mma than sport Jiu-jitsu, because a Gracie Jiu-jitsu person will not only know Jiu-jitsu, but they already have a good understanding on how to defend against strikes, how to manage and close the distance and take the fight to the ground. A sport Jiu-jitsu person will very likely take much more damage because they don't know how to defend against strikes.

[@dogestranding5047]

3:15 half guard top control seems to be the meta these days

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

Sport Jiu Jitsu are different of Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Gracie jiu jitsu have a big focus in striking defense and train striking too it's a complete system of self defense.

[@Tom__2023]

自分が小さかった頃は、BJJとはグレーシー理論であり、スポーツ化されたオリンピック柔道（※）とは対をなすものだった。 20年が経過し、BJJも柔道と同じ道を辿ったのは興味深い。 一方で、この20年でVale tudoはMMAという一つの競技へと収束した。 それは即ちBJJが他のあらゆる武道と共にMMAに取り込まれたことを意味する。 つまりMMA vs BJJは、以前のBJJ vsほかの武道（ボクシングやレスリング等）という状況とは異なる。 （あと、ディープハーフなどここでは「使えない」とされている技術も、タイミングさえあえば使えることもある。 例えばアントニオホドリゴノゲイラが使用していたように。 1990年代にはヘッドキックがVale tudoでは使えないと言われていたが、タイミングあえば十分使えることが近年では証明されている。 使うタイミングを研究せずに「使えない」と切り捨てるのはもったいないと感じる） ※柔道の技術体系には当身や足関節技などが含まれており、ただオリンピックなどの競技ルールでは禁止しているだけである。

[@junichiroyamashita]

I would love a style vs style comparison,putting BJJ in different setups. Like,how much BJJ can you do only standing,against a boxer? Or a wrestler trying to take you down or push you out? Or can you choke a Nak Muay in the clinch? The difference in objective is interesting. Rokas did a video about Tug O War Boxing some time ago,showing how grappling concepts could help in such infighting. Makes me wonder about Armwrestling and BJJ too.

[@joshbeambjj]

That’s a good idea! I’ll take note of it. Thanks for the suggestion 🙏

[@Utuberj0sh]

What about positions that you progress to from initial guards where you already have their posture somewhat broken down: Williams Guard, Mission Control, saddle, backside 50/50, the clamp etc!

[@bn468]

You missed the best guard that guys are using in mma now, K GUARD

[@dizzydean]

Next time get Damien Maia or Ryan Hall in there 😅

[@mhvsanches]

For deep half guard watch Minotauro vs Randy Couture He used It in MMA match.

[@NBeaver-bx4yl]

I think this would have been a better test vs a striker or a normal person. The MMA guy is obviously aware of how to deal with these positions.

[@BMO_Creative]

Your "Tiers" should have started at C or D... LOL... none of them worked! LOL

[@bricks1001]

Exactly why I do not know why people even bother having the bjj for street argument. Everyone should learn MMA if interested remotely learning self defense.

[@eliasinho...]

Well the question you really answered here is, if your jiu jitsu stands against a professional fighter. I could imagine that even in a pure bjj setting Oliver would dominante🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bradlopez3681]

In my experience you can use a lot of these positions in mma but you need to modify them to account for the striking. Gotta keep them broken down and you must must must maintain control over the hands.

[@cadefoster6626]

Tito Ortiz once said "It's hard to slap on a submission while getting punched in the face" (Or something close)

[@norbertomilan1906]

BJJ is like a way to use when someone outwrestles use

[@adam28171]

Thanks for a great video. Finally someone admitting Bjj & GJJ are NOT the be all and end all for self defence. GJJ may work in USA for law enforcement because they don’t want to get sued!! But it’s nonsense to believe Bjj is the primary art in one’s arsenal for self defence when things go physical. Striking Then wrestling rank higher. Bjj maybe 3rd on the list. And please don’t get me started on GJJ dialogue and Diffusion, which is awful. Somebody needs to take a Tony Blauer course in this area!!

[@whitejared309]

Rener Gracie watching this video 👀

[@moredown1303]

cool video

[@dantecruzorozco8850]

bro, if you want to use grappling in a real fight, the last place you want to be is on your back, you want to take down your opponent and then dominate

[@methodtraining]

I agree with you 💯 . My son’s first BJJ coach was always having my son play guard in tournaments… I pulled him from the class. It’s a terrible habit. Put him in wrestling instead. You have to learn how to dominate these positions.

[@JoseDominguez-xm3ch]

Important to remember that we can strike from the bottom too.

[@splintchesthair100]

No Jiu Jitsu coach or practitioner in their right mind should be teaching to go to guard as an offensive strategy. If you find yourself in guard on the street, something bad has happened, and the concept is to give you a fighting chance. But having the knowledge to get a submission, sweep or return to the feet is critical. If you want to see this in action, go back to the first UFC and watch Royce masterfully use guard in situations that might be very similar to a street fight. The reason it's not as common in UFC today is BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS JIU JITSU! Often enough it takes a Jiu Jitsu fighter to beat a Jiu Jitsu fighter. All that said, in a street fight.....don't go to the ground. You can be in any guard you want and still get your eyes gouged out, stabbed, God knows what else.

[@CommonSenseAintCommon1]

go watch combat jiu jitsu matches then go watch your standard no-gi jitsu match and you'll see 1/2 of whats being taught in jitsu schools both gi & no-gi are not gonna work with strikes involved...Watch combat jiu jitsu to see which positions are most common and then drill different techniques within that

[@Sensei_Gaz]

The argument that Oliver is a trained fighter is a moot point, imo. BJJ trainees love to criticise other arts for not being effective against trained fighters, vs just working against untrained people. The fact of the matter is, currently, BJJ pushes positions of inferiority, (playing bottom, prioritising guard etc) due to the way the sport has evolved. As a martial art, it has strayed too far from it's Japanese counter part (Jujutsu) in that it no longer has effective takedowns or striking, and doesn't prioritise top position and pins etc. I practice both JJJ and BJJ, for the record.

[@hans_is_tripping1704]

When will next judo video come out 🎉

[@joshbeambjj]

Very soon! Within the next few weeks. Got a lot in the queue, so stay tuned!

[@hans_is_tripping1704]

@@joshbeambjj TY GOAT 💪

[@joshbeambjj]

OSSSSSSS yessir!

[@DarkapostlesASMR]

Grappling and strinking vs just grappling. Of course the first wins, MMA is complete.

[@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh]

The Story that Gracie Family trained only jiu jitsu are a Myth they trained Muay Thai, Boxing too and know what Techinique expect in striking and how defend.

[@vynongaming553]

Buttefly, K guard, Butterfly half, Octopus guard, Z guard? The guards that actually mma people use most?

[@36efitnessllc18]

sport JIu Jitsu is a sport. Gracie JiuJitsu , Rickson Gracie JiuJitsu, Japanese JiuJitsu, Combative and MMA jiujitsu are built for self defense. sport jiujitsu is just that sport

[@Kaelan66]

Would have liked to see butterfly and X guard!

[@joshbeambjj]

Yeah looking back this was a very obvious gap! And funnily enough X guard and butterfly are my two favorite to play in jiu jitsu 😂 oops. Thanks for watching!

[@Brd876]

Keep in mind this is a pro any average dude is getting subbed

[@jonahwashburn1163]

Probably yes! However, I think the point of the video is that many BJJ positions that work great without striking allow too much space and not enough control for punch defense. At my Bjj school I have a cop who fought MMA for years who teaches the no-gi class; he says the same thing Oliver does here, “Sweep, Submit, or Stand Up.” In sport BJJ, we use lots of stalling type tactics, IE, we will wait for an opening, sitting in the same position, sometimes for minutes at a time, waiting for the other guy to walk into our trap. The point of the video is that once striking gets involved, that stalling type strategy goes out the window, no time for waiting, either Sweep, Submit, or Stand Up. That said, I agree, lets see it with an untrained guy, would certainly look very different.

[@Tianshanwarrior]

Upkick and stand up in a hurry

[@gailvalleymartialarts]

1:25 that's not at all the guard from Gracie Combatives though

[@JohnJohnson-hl4fv]

But, Oliver was wearing gloves!

[@bobsweet6370]

Would look different if the puncher was in Gi or had enough of a jacket to grab collar and sleeves

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

Why didn't you start in butterfly guard for one of the tests. When you were in it briefly during the half guard test, it looked like you had a lot of control and were able to prevent the strikes.

[@joshbeambjj]

yeah i totally spaced on that, i should've also tried butterfly and some other inside position guards like single leg X or X.

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

@@joshbeambjj I think single leg X and X would have the same problem as De La Riva in that your head to too exposed while you don't have a lot of control over their upper body. Sure, you might be grabbing the one wrist, but I think your spider guard test demonstrated how hard it can be to hold onto a wrist without having something to grip like a gi.

[@joshbeambjj]

Yeah maybe! I’d love to test it. My theory is it would be really good since it’s so easy to off-balance people (make them post hands or land on their butt) from SLX and X.

[@Pifagorass]

"🐢 exposed" ❤😂

[@joshbeambjj]

Lolol poor turtle

[@danielsantos8817]

Royce Gracie showed all this well in practice in the first UFC.

[@elenchus]

MMA has changed though in many ways, from the rules to the fighters. I don't mean this as criticism of Royce, you play within the context you find yourself, but a lot of Royce's approaches would no longer be very viable in high-level MMA. If Royce were say 25 years old today, of course, he'd just adapt and use more contemporary jiujitsu.

[@danielsantos8817]

​@@elenchus Perfect your comment my friend and I agree with you. The process of evolution and adaptation of the fights became fast and natural on the part of the fighters and the rules. We would see this process in the following UFC. With Marcos Ruas himself breaking this hegemony of fights on the ground!!!

[@JEFFMAN90]

Royce did Gracie Jiu Jitsu which had strikes and takedowns. Not BJJ which where everyone just pulls guard or butt scoots

[@chadmcmahon1981]

Why no Single Leg X ???

[@IamDude2]

Combat Jiu Jitsu is more to the roots of JJ/BJJ, in the 90’s when BJJ burst onto the scene it was about takedown then being dominant in top positions with striking or submissions to finish, never was it about being on the bottom. That said, if you ever find yourself on your back you do need to know how to give yourself the best chance of surviving which JJ does incorporate unlike others

[@brysonz]

You can’t strike, you are going against a much larger and experienced striker/grappler who can strike. You can’t grab his shirt or shorts. This is not a realistic test. Royce Gracie settled the dispute back in the day. Real fighting with no weight classes, no gloves and no rules except eye gouging. Going against experienced MMA fighters has to have both opponents wear clothing like a hoodie sweatshirt and jeans to make it more balanced. That would be fair.

[@stassenchr]

Why not use what is considered the best MMA guards, K guard and Williams guard

[@Rlstine-z4x]

What about K guard?????

[@JiujitsuLouis]

Can you apply k guard