7+ MISTAKES Landlords make! 60 Day Notice to Terminate - Guide for renters and landlords

[@NoMoreGaslighting]

Just an fyi, I replied + did the toolkit. Embarrassed to say, it took me 7 hours and I emailed questions after. I deleted my follow up reply on this so that there was no confusion. Again, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! FYI, if you are a renter reading this + need to answer the court, highly recommend you follow the directions that were so eloquently given. The toolkit is beyond helpful.

[@NoMoreGaslighting]

Can you kindly inform if a 60 Day Notice (no fault due to complying w government order) is valid if: 1- posted but not mailed? 2- if it doesn’t have a specific move out date listed? 3- the only date on the notice is the date it was signed which was a day prior to posting on the door? 4- Does it matter if posting was done while tenant was home but, there were no attempts to hand deliver it? The form used is not the one you show but it has the required phrase. It doesn’t have the simple to understand check marks for each step (ie: confirming method of service). Plus, there were 2 different notices posted within a few days of each other. Neither notice was mailed. The mailbox is shared with the owner. Thank you in advance for your help!

[@WIREassociates]

That's a pretty rare one - the government order. Is the unit you're living in an illegal unit? Did they mention relocation assistance (it may be required). My non-legal two cents, discuss with an attorney: 1) Needs to be mailed, as well. doesn't need to be certified or registered, a first class stamp is fine. 2) No, doesn't require a specific move out date...the date is 60 days after posting and mailing 3) That seems ok 4) They should have attempted personal service. If you have doorbell camera footage showing that they didn't knock, it may help your case. It doesn't have to be identical to the form from the video, but does NEED that language that's on there. Very odd that two were served. Definitely discuss with an attorney.

[@dare2scheme904]

I'm a landlord in San Bernardino and just got writ of possession without a lawyer. I see the thought process of encouraging the use of your 60 day notice instead of the court issued form, then ultimately telling people to contact a lawyer. This makes sense.

[@hellbound3167]

So I have a question I got my 60-day notice on Friday so I was given my 60 day notice failure to recertify it was due on the 11th and it's the 16th but I can access my mail because I lost my keys to my mailbox and just found out that I got a 60-day notice because of it and I was just curious on how can I revoke that I live in Montana by the way

[@WIREassociates]

I'm not sure on Montana law...I recommend that you reach out here 👉 www.mtlsa.org/

[@swtdreamsx07]

I received a 60 day notice to terminate tenancy, the zip code on the notice for the property’s address is incorrect. Is the notice invalid?

[@WIREassociates]

That small mistake probably does not invalidate it.

[@LaureleiJ]

If a landlord agent sent a photocopy of the 1492 notice to tenants to say "this does not apply to you". With the new 567 update does that mean if tenants arent sent a notice about this addendum does it invalid the 1492 "does not apply to you"?

[@mehrdadfeller]

I received a move out notice with May 23 move out date but the landlord has already charged me rent until May 30. Can I stay by the end of the month? I have technically paid my rent until then and have the right to stay since he has accepted the rent. Can this invalidate the notice?

[@WIREassociates]

Discuss with an attorney, this may invalidate it...

[@sl4983]

California apartment. If a landlord increases rent and it was 9.7%, can they just send a letter saying "you owe us an additional 100 for water" mid-month, when it has always been included in the rent? It seems like extortion and a sneaky way to get more than the 9.7%

[@WIREassociates]

It would need to be a 30 day notice to change the terms for payment of a utility. And that's probably not a legal increase...discuss with a local attorney.

[@mikefuentes2657]

I’m a tenant that was given a 60 day no fault, The Box was market owner wishes to remove from market, The property manager said the owner’s daughter would be moving in. My question is do I have a good enough evidence for a lawsuit? We moved since.

[@WIREassociates]

It'll depend one what it was (house, condo, duplex or bigger) and where it was. Discuss with an attorney to see if there's a chance that you were owed more relocation assistance.

[@robertjones2820]

I haven't had to do many evictions in my almost 30 years of renting property but back in the day I would do the paper work myself, if I had to evict someone. These days, I have a court services person I use because the laws are so complicated.

[@WIREassociates]

Smart move, Robert!

[@bjm4922]

If the landlord omits the verbiage "Applicability of the Tenant Protection Act of 2019" aka AB 1492; the property is /the property is not covered, does this omission make the termination notice invalid? Thanks!

[@WIREassociates]

No, that does not invalidate the notice, but missing the other language I discuss does invalidate it.

[@Don.Challenger]

Can the landlord or authorized agent use more than one of those proper methods to notify the tenant of record? and as to email or text messaging can you use those methods to advise them that the form is on the way or has been delivered? (Or could those additional copies be construed as a harassment of the tenant?) Is the applicable local civil authority available to receive their copy personally so it is received and properly filed?

[@WIREassociates]

I'd say to stick with one proper method. As for the local civil authority, it depends on the regulations in your local area...most don't have requirements to file it, but if they do, you need to follow their steps.

[@queend4116]

So email is considered an invalid notice. Thank you!

[@WIREassociates]

Correct

[@BK-ri7kv]

Hello Christian, I just received the 60 day notice today because landlord stated they are selling the house. What happens if they dont end up selling the house once we vacate the house and they rented it to someone else? Our lease expired 2 weeks ago and we were planning to do a month to month payment without making a new lease

[@WIREassociates]

Depending on where it is, if it's a house, then it's most likely exempt from the Tenant Protection Act (TPA) and there wouldn't be any repercussions from not selling it. In fact, that's NOT a valid reason to terminate a tenancy, but if it's exempt from the TPA there does not need to be a reason.

[@belyndakilleen6309]

We have lived in rental for over 10 years. We were give a 90 day notice to vacate because Owner decided not to renew lease. Then 10 days later a 60 notice to vacate was given saying We did not sign a new lease. Which is valid?

[@WIREassociates]

Maybe neither...it will depend on where you are and what the property type is. Try running the notices by legal aid in your area.

[@dare2scheme904]

​@@WIREassociatesIt would be the 60 day notice dude. You gave a non answer.

[@WIREassociates]

@@dare2scheme904 not necessarily, the 60 day notice could be invalid, as well. If someone gives an incorrect notice the first time, then odds are pretty good the second notice is incorrect, too. It's not a "non-answer"....it's a "you need an attorney ASAP" answer.

[@mariatorres9789]

How much extra time for service, certified mail? Isn't it 3 days?

[@WIREassociates]

It depends where it's being sent from: 5 days for notices sent within California. Use registered instead of certified and they won't have to sign for it, but you'll still have a tracking number.

[@whiskyrick]

If a tenant moves out per the no fault substantial remodel provision and then moves back in after 6 months of construction, does the 12 month 10% rent increase cap apply? Seems like it would.

[@WIREassociates]

As long as there isn't a local ordinance requiring the rent to stay the same, the new rent will be at the market rate after the remodel.

[@kristineibanez5472]

What happens if they email the notice and I have already responded to the email confirming it? Is it still considered invalid?

[@WIREassociates]

That is still invalid. It needs to be properly served to be valid.

[@virginiamcclain8373]

I received a 3day pay or quit..I offered to pay rent before the 3days were up and my landlord said no . But her attorney sent me the the notice and had her address where to bring the Rent I tried calling the attorney was not successful in getting in contact with her for the first 4 or 5 times calling and leaving messages and once I did get her on the phone I told her my situation and she acted like she didn't know what I was talking about so she told me she would have to get back with me which she never did. This was on 8/1/2024 when I offered to pay the Rent talking with the landlord owner when she said no she also told me she was not going to talk to me I would have to contact her attorney in which I did. So the next thing happens I had a note taped to my door was a lock out from the sheriff's which was just recently my lock out date is on 10/22/2024 these are the only 2 forms I received and both of them were taped to my door

[@WIREassociates]

You need to reach out to Legal Aid in your area ASAP! And you should also try going down tot the courthouse to explain the situation and see what you can find out...it does not sound like you were given proper notice for the unlawful detainer.

[@LovelyHomes-o7g]

@ChristianWalsh Can a AB1482 Disclosure be submitted at the same time with NTT-3/24

[@hamidsaghatchi5153]

I have long term (10 yrs+) tenants, in good standing, in a 1-4 unit property in San Bernardino County. I had communicated their upcoming lease renewal which they had agreed to. Five days after expiration of the previous lease, one of them reached out by phone to inquire if they could continue on a month-to-month basis. Her reason was their pending home purchase. My response was that I was unable to accommodate a month-to-month arrangement and that in absence of a term lease they would have 60 days to move out. A couple of days later I reiterated my position on the matter via text message. There has been no response from them since. I just checked and one of them turned 62 last year. Given the age, and current tenancy laws in California, is it even worth the trouble to construct and serve a proper lease termination and/or 60-day move out notice? Or should I just let them continue month-to-month until they move out on their own accord? Thanks

[@WIREassociates]

Did they sign a new lease or no? If they signed a new lease, then they are rent responsible until a new renter takes possession. If not, then I would say it's worth letting them stay month-to-month as long as they are paying rent on time.

[@joesixpack2878]

@@WIREassociates "I would say it's worth letting them stay month-to-month as long as they are paying rent on time." Power trips and greed blinds LL's Christian. There's absolutely no reason to even rock the boat in CA if you a multi family unit and have good tenants for over 10 yrs that pay on time.

[@NancyCedeno-y4i]

Can they Rise,my Rent for a year or can for 2. Year

[@MarioR23]

I have a question regarding an unlawful detainer, If I filled an unlawful detainer for not rent payment, there are currently 5 tenants living in the unit, 2 of them signed the Lease, when I filled the UD all 5 need to be named? Also do I need to serve the Notice to each one of them or only one of the 2 who signed the Lease. Any help is really appreciated.

[@WIREassociates]

You definitely should hire an attorney to help in this scenario.

[@joesixpack2878]

​@@WIREassociates the fact that some of these people are homeowners is mind blowing.

[@zzz2m0s48]

Where do you obtain these forms? Im helping my friend.

[@WIREassociates]

You can get these specific forms from a local real estate agent you know. You can also join a landlord/apartment association...they will have their own versions.

[@zzz2m0s48]

@WIREassociates You are the Best! Thank you so very much 🙏

[@UFOLLOWINME]

I received a summons left on my door mat, do they also have to mail a copy before my time starts to answer?

[@WIREassociates]

Answer ASAP 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYDVkKyBiLGKaNU

[@UFOLLOWINME]

@@WIREassociates received the summons on the 7th and just received copies in the mail today, the 12th. So when does the time start?

[@papajoe5331]

question... i live outside the State of Ca.... i can move in.... must be for 1 yr....while living in home, can I list and sell to another occupied buyer?

[@sevenRyeh]

What suggests to you that you are breaching the contract due to their lack of knowledge about your lease? Haha, I can't believe they don't have the previous owner in their records. And my check numbers are under the wrong name? The worst part is that they owned the property and are now the subland owner. There's some crazy stuff happening right now.

[@sl4983]

If a tenant needs to speak to any attorney, what kind of attorney is best? Should it be a tenant landlord attorney? A real estate attorney? Thank you!

[@WIREassociates]

It depends on the issue, but start with a tenant attorney first and they will refer you if it requires a different type of attorney.

[@justinela3451]

I was wondering what you meant by filing with local authority? Are you referring to the police or to the City?

[@WIREassociates]

Housing department, but only in areas that require it...

[@josedipadua8575]

According to police it’s civil matter?

[@danecrawford2658]

Hello Christian, i received a 60 day notice because the lanlords want to fix up the place and sell it? Do i have any rights with this?

[@WIREassociates]

It'll depend where the property is and what it is (house, condo, duplex or bigger), but if the property is subject to AB 1482, then they will also need to deliver the permits with the notice and give you one month's rent as relocation. Some areas have more strict requirements.

[@MrKremation]

If I signed a new lease with more than 10% rent increase am I obligated to pay or can I only pay what CA allows?

[@WIREassociates]

No, you only have to pay what the law allows.

[@MrKremation]

@@WIREassociates Thank you, I hope he does not get upset.

[@LaureleiJ]

Does this mean a rent increase via email is not valid?

[@jwm6262]

what if I haven't been given any letter, just verbal. I was on a lease but the landlord make me resign and just kept paying every month.

[@WIREassociates]

A verbal notice is as good as the paper it is written on. 😀 You need proper written notice from a landlord.

[@CJfunctional]

Thank you!!!!

[@WIREassociates]

You're welcome!

[@rebeccaeisenberg6751]

So, do renters of single family homes owned by international landlords in California receive absolutely zero protection? They can be evicted for any reason or no reason, simply to re-lease the home at a higher rent, because it is a single family home that is rented? Where I live, 40% of renters live in single family homes.

[@WIREassociates]

Unless there is a local just cause ordinance (like LA City), then most houses are exempt from AB 1482 protections.

[@michaelb9599]

Only CAR members can download these forms.

[@WIREassociates]

Yes, correct. Apartment/Landlord Associations have their own versions. Plus, many people know at least one or two members of CAR.

[@pinchebruha405]

You’re the best Christian….I’m still here two years later 20k less and still no eviction, so of course since the rules changed we now have a clear path forward with the No-fault for extensive remodel. I would be curious to know if you’ve covered any cases like this. I’m interested in how the timeline will work itself out through the process….I have serious doubt they will leave willingly in 60 days.

[@WIREassociates]

Oh no, sorry to hear that! I did a couple videos on substantial remodel, here's one 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJKTepuPfc6Un7s and this is a property that we helped the owner 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2KTo4OkndF2eqc

[@joesixpack2878]

If you're a tenant and your landlord gives you an improper notice. Don't tell your landlord, let them find out in court. Then you can possibly sue back for things such as attorney fees and harassment.

[@ldarmiento7098]

This is terrible advice.

[@joesixpack2878]

@@ldarmiento7098there’s no reason to give a landlord a jail free card and let him know ahead of time. Case will get thrown out of court with an improper notice. Then as a tenant you come after your landlord for harassment ect. And if you really want to play ball as a tenant, you look for all of the code violations on the property and have code inspection show up.

[@lisaruiz7211]

@@ldarmiento7098he’s obviously a tenant. Most likely a problematic one too.

[@WIREassociates]

@joesixpack2878 I think this is good advice...a landlord needs to hire the appropriate professional or follow the rules and do it correctly. A renter shouldn't have to "teach" the landlord how to follow the law.

[@joesixpack2878]

⁠@@lisaruiz7211I am a tenant, yet I rent out my triplex and cash flow. What am I?

[@timursalikov5911]

Buying in California is the actual main mistake

[@WIREassociates]

California real estate can appreciate like crazy tho...

[@alifnomad3223]

Why even bother investing in LA? I love visiting LA and might buy a property should I chose to live in LA but I dont see any point in investing and being a landlord in LA.

[@WIREassociates]

A lot of people agree...

[@alexaillingworth7566]

Buy in Orange County instead

[@alexaillingworth7566]

What sort of proof are we talking here for a family member move in? Are we talking drivers license or chain of birth certificates? I don’t want to give a tenant my personal information. Can it be redacted?

[@virginiamcclain8373]

I have this on a text message

[@lzeng78]

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