A Message To The Spotlightin’/Weenie Wormin’/Flatbrim Hat Wearin’ Generation Of Bass Anglers…

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[@michaelteaby1160]

Loved this, Randy! I might have a flat rimmed hat, but I will never sell out on the soul of bass fishing😎👏

[@hu-613]

Yeah I wear my hat low bent brim and Sunglasses don't work for me.

[@cross_fire_]

I fish with a 65 Year old man, I’m 40 with no ffs but he’s all in. He’s always been a hammer and the ffs has only made him better. He is obsessed with the ffs and it doesn’t bother me one bit.

[@DLXSKIFFMITCHELL]

After hearing your description of yourself as a young man you would’ve absolutely used livescope if it was available back then. Haha

[@robertbendler2310]

I'm 53 years old and I love my Live scope

[@surfdaily444]

That is nothing to be proud of!! 😂

[@MrHabitat009]

I’m a user of Livescope and wear a flat brim hat but have the most respect for Randy! I use his tackle codes and have two pairs of the RB2 glasses. It’s okay to have different options and different paths but I know deep down Randy is 100% correct. I had more fun fishing without livescope honestly and now tge bar is set so high it’s hard to fish without it

[@jaym8257]

It certainly takes the mystery out of crappie fishing. I adjust to that by catching 25 and keeping eight.

[@jonathanstewart9838]

Finding the fish yourself is way more fun

[@andrewpayne2811]

😂”posed nude in a magazine” damn Randy I’m not THAT big of a rebel!!!

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

😂😂😂

[@Steve-ev6vx]

So much of a rebel he went gay for pay. 👀

[@Browntrout1878]

20 $=20$

[@andrewpayne2811]

@@Steve-ev6vx lol not what I meant but hey $20=$20

[@ChrisB-uj6zi]

Randy spread his cheeks as Mike honcho.

[@user-sb3sp6mz2k]

The enjoyment of bass fishing for me is figuring the fish out I'm not against technology I just enjoy old school fishing

[@adammitchell3462]

I absolutely believe in what you're saying. Once your learn to read signs and observations, you'll not want to use live scope

[@craigdool3411]

Look how good kvd was without it, he proved himself.

[@thomasebsen8821]

Ya, he used all the tech. available at the time to prove himself. You can't cure stupid.

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

He’s the goat! No ffs guy will ever reach his status ever!

[@thomasebsen8821]

@@user-sp9hy8tq4j Hate to tell you the younger bass fishermen coming up are better at everything than pros of the past . They got all their knowledge from the pros of the past and present. They can adapt better, faster and they are also smarter. They will surpass Kvd in winnings. Kvd will admit that also, he's smart and that's why he was the best.

[@northernbassalliance1442]

Whata your thoughts onJordan lee? Back to back classics without FFS. But now is using it and i believe 2nd in AOY points and a few top 10s and 5s this yr. Does he suck at fishing?

[@Etec86]

@@northernbassalliance1442 guys love to forget that people like Wheeler and Lee were doing quite well before FFS showed up on the scene. they adapted and continue doing well I’d like a lot of guys that have been around a while.

[@curvinh6289]

Bro had to throw me in there with the braid to flouro 😢😢, thought i was safe!

[@TheAverageFisherman99]

You just described ben Milliken lol

[@deanmentjes7774]

Good video, thanks Randy.

[@waynecrowe9075]

You said it right I agree 💯%

[@BlobRob787]

Randy, I love the name of the video. You know how to "reel" in the Milliken clowns. Hahahah.

[@ChrisB-uj6zi]

What’s wrong with Miliken, he’s a nice guy that’s fun to talk to. He has brought a ton of eyes to the sport which should be a positive unless you are a jerk and hate everyone else on the water.

[@aarons6931]

Yea hes brought a bunch of clowns we dont need

[@andrewpayne2811]

I was an MF’r before Randy got on YT but don’t have to side with either one. Learn from everyone and build yourself a toolbox of the best traits.

[@kayakfishingforpredators9107]

​@@ChrisB-uj6zihe is like a 5th wheel on the wagon. Walk the walk, Talk the talk. And non-sustainable about fish populations (FFS fanboy) and creating smoke screens to support his opinion about FFS

[@aarons6931]

@@andrewpayne2811 serious have u ever seen ben catch a fish that wasnt on a brush pile or eith out ffs, I tried watching a few of vids but they were all ffs videos

[@MrJohnlh331973]

I understand your point to some extent. But that parallels with the views of bow v. Crossbow, TSS turkey loads, and trail cams for deer. If it’s legal, why knock it?

[@adamdeal2588]

I remember my uncle teaching me how to fish , part of the fun was figuring out where the fish were and what to catch them on. I still fish the same way to this day. The memories we talk about today are stories of the days when we got beat as much as when we loaded the boat.

[@frankgilroy3189]

Those guys are elite, classic, BPT and Redcrest champs!!! It’s amazing none of them know how to Fish!!

[@adammitchell3462]

I totally agree with you man, except for one thing...the flat bill hat,i rock that shit

[@user-bt8ju2ys8q]

I enjoy the challenge of figuring out what the fish want and what and how they it presented to them

[@JohnSmithFFS]

Next video, Randy proclaims he doesn’t speak negatively about other anglers.

[@davedrapp5000]

I have no plans to get LS and I think its cheating to use it in events. But I still watch Milliken too. I would be willing to bet that he knows why the fish are where he is finding them. So, If folks are going to use it, I hope they are learning why the fish are where they are finding them too.

[@TennesseeValleyFishing]

I wear a flat brim and don't live scope and like you and would like to keep it that way.

[@chrisstewart6226]

Well said be a real fisherman know how takes years to fine tune one’s fishing …old school fishing will always out fish technology, no pings turn off your sonar sometimes and you’ll see how much more fish you’ll catch

[@WAVINGSWAN]

Well said. After 50 years of learning the basic of structure, cover fishing and learning how to read the weather, I will just stay old school.

[@georgemebs]

Hey what's wrong with a hula popper i still use them 😆 lol

[@salwhitaker9218]

I purchased a livescope this spring. Trying to catch fish you can see is a challenge in and of itself. If it’s windy and you don’t have spot lock it’s basically useless. Just kind of nice to see all the underwater cover.. also seeing how different lures fall and move as you manipulate them has created a wealth of knowledge that does add up to more fish- not necessarily from looking at them in live time. I think livescope can still be used without giving up the tradition of hardcore bass fishing. But really though.. Why were fish finders invented in the first place? To find fish right. It’s either all or none.

[@jaym8257]

Get a DD 26 transducer mount. You can focus, focus, focus on the "target". Doesn't matter what the wind and spot lock is doing.

[@jonzimmerman798]

FYI Ben Miliken didn’t invent forward facing sonar!

[@MrPhoenix1800]

I also still won’t watch fishing tournaments anymore due to the boring live scope crap. But sadly I don’t think it’s going anywhere soon. I used to enjoy bass master tournaments so much

[@Joseph_Brown1986]

I'm 37 years old, and I agree with you. FFS has changed the sport for the worse. I like the tech. But not for tournaments. Within 2 or 3 years you will be able to use AR fishing sunglasses and see through the water like it isn't even there. Mark my words, there will be a split of the sport. It will become traditionalist tournaments and AR tournaments.

[@phillipstarrett8416]

I just wanna catch a largemouth on the damn chattahoochie. I’m thinking of getting a flat brim n a spotlight

[@andylewis7982]

Its not cheating if it is allowed. My drill Sargent used to say if you are not cheating your are not trying

[@ronelkins1057]

Give em hell, Randy!!

[@bigdawg580]

Hey, he makes a bundle from it so, more power to him

[@Jeff-se7vk]

Randy I found it interesting on day one of the MLF tournament on lake Eufaula, it just shows when they have a tournament that the ffs isn’t really into play what the weights are and the anglers who are at top of leaderboard, pulling for Andy Morgan

[@markanderson7402]

Great video randy

[@user-de4rx9if3s]

Make that video please! Take us out and teach us where to find bass!! (Please include how we can support your channel in that video.)

[@MrPhoenix1800]

I saw some forward facing sonars in the big box stores and thought it looked cool, I get frustrated trying to learn down scan and 2d and trying to relay that info into catches. But I was able to have some success the other day with down scan and made me feel better with sticking it out and learning the right way.

[@johnnybstuddd4482]

I see more middle aged fisherman with FFS around here, mostly anglers in mid 30s, 40s and 50s.

[@NoelSimmons-jg3ly]

If they don't want to get rid of ffs in tournament fishing why don't they have 2 separate classes to make it fair.

[@jimschreiner6482]

LOL... Flatbrim hat. You can get good coverage over your sunglasses with that flat brim.

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

😂

[@MrArctictundra]

I was dying laughing before I even watched the vid. Thanks again Randy for continuing to provide us with your insights.

[@curtisloden7201]

Randy, did you see the latest BASSMASTER Magazine talking about the 10 Great Lake Fork Century Belt Winners and the article about how difficult forward-facing sonar is??

[@corthehn6832]

I think I would rather see someone using livescope than seeing purist bass guys ripping them off their spawning sites putting them in a livewell and real easing them in a different part of the lake. And the guys that are good with livescope are most likely already good anglers who know their stuff you still need to be in the right area and present the bait correct

[@danielshoemaker3742]

I agree totally! There isn't anything better than looking at a point or a rock and throwing a lure and sticking a fish that you know is sitting there. Unfortunately the angles the use forward facing sonar exclusively, don't understand the gratification that come when you are able to put the puzzle together. This trend is just like all other sports, in which they will do anything to be famous without paying there dues or being something special, like a Jordan or a VanDam.

[@jared5862]

I’m in the odd position here where I originally said months ago that I’d never have a FFS. Now I’m am considering buying one. And here’s why. I fished and won tournaments 20 years ago without even turning a flasher or graph on. In fact I often left them off because I think they spook pressured fish in shallow water. 10 years ago I stopped fishing tournaments and the boat has mostl sat in a garage. Not my GPS and my depth finders do not work. So I have to replace them regardless of FFS or not. Back when I fished tournaments I used to use a plain old x67 fish finder and use the transducer turned forward to locate isolated boulders in open water in basically a very crude FFS fashion. You couldn’t really see the fish and certainly couldn’t see the fish by your lure but I could see the boulders. The fish set around these boulders and if you run over them you spook the fish off. So now I’m in the situation of, if I want to fish those locations like I used to I either have to buy another plain depth finder and rig the transducer to shoot forward or I can buy a FFS and be able to see things much more clearly. I still can never see myself throwing at individual fish with a FFS but it would be extremely handy for fishing my old spots. In my current state with my GPS broken and using a plain down facing fish finder all I’ve been able to accomplish lately is spooking off the fish from these spots before I locate them.

[@waynecroslynfishing]

360 I use it to find structure

[@jared5862]

@@waynecroslynfishing I’ll check those out. I don’t know much about them either. Where I’m at you’ll be sitting in 40-50’ of water looking for a boulder sitting on a shelf 20’ deep and the top of the boulder is 4’ below the waters surface. Any insight on what a 360 would do in that situation?

[@SKEG-BOOTCOM]

I would love to see some pictures of your rebel days of the pony tail slip flop stuff that I must have missed . 😆

[@hirambrashier1449]

What I don’t like about livescope is seeing post on Facebook where guides go out every day and help their clients catch limits of crappie day after day. Multiply this by all the number of guides that do this day by day. The fisheries can’t handle this forever.

[@michaelthomas1075]

Agree 💯 FFS is laying havoc on Crappie.

[@Etec86]

guides have been doing that for decades. You should spend every day on the water you’re gonna know how to put on fish. side imaging crappie fishing years ago

[@jaym8257]

They need to fish catch and release 50%.

[@hasenmyer]

1. What in the world is wrong with braid to floro leader? Did I miss something? 2. What tournament trail have you personally refused to fish b/c they allow FFS?

[@aarons6931]

Braid doesnt stretch pretty simple to see why braid to fluro on baitcasters is doodoo

[@Steve-ev6vx]

Its his opinion. He thinks his opinions are infaliable fact.

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

Omg bro! What rock you been under

[@BassholeByNatureFishing]

@@Steve-ev6vxhe’s sharing his opinion. You all view it as facts. He just views it as his perspective! It just so happens his opinions rub you all the wrong way because of the conviction it carries,,

[@Steve-ev6vx]

@@BassholeByNatureFishing He has stated flat out several times he thinks his opinions are unquestionable scientific fact. I'm not making it up.

[@JoeMomma-oo3sh]

New here but those kinda sound like fighting words lol 😂🤣

[@pauladay3872]

I just watch a podcast that Hank Parker as on and he said he loved FFS. He did say he thought it needed some regulations but he’s not totally against it.

[@pauladay3872]

Randy maybe you would get better response if you cut out the name calling. 😊

[@Rightiswrong-qv5ul]

Hey Randy whats wrong with the Hula Popper just got a set of the 2 .0 hulas have caught fish on 2 of the colors so far. Dang bustin my Hula Poppers.

[@Rich.Fishing]

I can't afford all the fancy technology, but I can afford more knowledge. I love to get out there and rough it out. I started Bass fishing about 4 or 5 years ago and I'm ready to learn

[@regardtdupreez2752]

I have 1 question. Taking into consideration all the different lures / techniques(and other variables that make bass fishing such an art) that exist to find and catch fish, how long will fishing with FFS and using 4/5 lures take before it's such an absolute bore???

[@jonzimmerman798]

I don’t get the Miliken hate ! Not from Randy but from the commentators. I’ve watched both for years and root for both of them to do well.

[@jaym8257]

Kind of like the Antifa and anti-Israel crowds. Just a group of jabbering heads. A cult.

[@bigdawg580]

There’s no such thing as “legalized” cheating. If it was cheating, it wouldn’t be legal. As for the name calling, it speaks for itself.

[@txhuntsman]

You sure about that. Here is an example. It’s illegal for you to participate in insider trading so says Congress but they exempt themselves from the laws that govern you. “Legalized cheating”.

[@jaym8257]

Three times a week rant from Randy. He has built his subscriber total so their's that.

[@loganjohnson9073]

Tech assistance to fish is laughable

[@tonygarcia1568]

You were right you definitely get more views when you talk about these problems we are "all".. facing as bass fishermen

[@midnightcamaro]

👀 now we know where you coined the phrase “wennie wormin” 😂😂

[@johnnybstuddd4482]

Ha Ha

[@appalachianbushcraft3959]

I use side and down imagining, I really only use side imaging to find deep structure. Can't actually see the fish atleast I can't. I just use it to find places to fish away from all the bank beaters to be by myself to enjoy time on the water.

[@noober1056]

I saw the photo shoot in Worm Angler Magazine….

[@mr.j5kmbl383]

I just hope it was a cartoon and if it was maybe randy and ol Harry and Charlie from the old bass master magazines were in it together

[@matthewhallman4358]

Lol!!! I love this

[@Jrod1702]

Posed nude in a magazine that one got me rolling

[@gregkuhn7123]

LOL!

[@outdoorsandstuff1744]

Yeah…wtf? 😂

[@Jrod1702]

Randy I'm sure you have explained the story before but for the new listeners like myself I need the backstory lol

[@timleehenderson]

If there were tournaments that didn't allow any electronics... I would totally watch that. I think you'd see who was really skilled at finding fish.

[@jnicely]

Randy: " I too was once young"

[@arnoldfoote1925]

you used everything available to you too win, and your crapping on these guys that are doing the same thing in a different Time,

[@derekclark7667]

Damn ffs. I thinks it's cheating. I think it's hurting the sport. Hurting the lakes. I still fish the traditional way or the right way. For 45 years. No tech. For me. Keep up the great work Randy.

[@ChrisB-uj6zi]

Hurting feelings not the sport. Tournaments, daily bag limits being to high, the fisherman and no slot limits are hurting the sport.

[@stanpatterson4379]

Randy! Don't lower yourself to the name calling internet trolls! You have a good thing going, keep it there by offering your expertise to educate. Many of us share your passion for bass fishing and agree with you! What is needed is solutions! How about starting something new instead of wasting time tying to stop the steamroller! Like you, I too had my days, they are passed! Let's teach the ones who want to know about what we have enjoyed all our lives and its not just about the money. People who pursue the ego trips and money will never know what they are missing and are already lost! Please continue to be an inspiration and teacher on videos!

[@FishLite]

can we use a lowrance "Green Box"?

[@F14AB]

Dang Randy, I never heard that before, you posed for Playgirl? 😂😂😂 was the check good? lol

[@tigertiger5276]

Good one! 😂

[@jax9224]

I am an inbetweener lol. I’m on Randy’s side 100%. I also have flat bill and regular bills. Mainly the flat bill is on the ball field

[@tylerwatson3651]

Kinda wish the flat brimmer wasn't a term used for this. I'm 37, but do prefer a flat brim hat and I have for a long long time. But when it comes to fishing, hunting, the environment, and over development I am definitely old school. I would never even consider using livescope to spotlight bass. I learned early on the respect we should have for nature and the intrinsic value thing have that others so easily overlook

[@win300mag1]

Same here. I’m a 37 year old that was born about 50 years too late. We are old enough to remember the sweet innocent times of the outdoors but also grown up with technology as part of our daily lives so we really have a good sense on what it has taken away.

[@timlacy2284]

Thanks Randy, Old School Bass Fisherman, No electronics I don't use them. I go what I have learned from years of experience also I hunt that way too. 63 years old and Old School. I did bench press 350 lbs. ,squat 600 lbs. , do 80 push ups ,80 sit ups in 2 minutes ,run 2 miles in 13 minutes and 3 seconds when I was in the U.S. Army 1979-1986 . I remember what my dad, uncles, brother, cousins taught me when I was young and I taught my son how to do things Old School and he is 19 years old, and do things old and new ways. Thanks Again Sir.

[@TomKirkman1]

No surprise, but most of the meat fishermen who use LS and FFW do indeed use minnows, small or larger depending on the species they're wiping out on any particular day.

[@marksells9509]

I'm 32 years old and I do not use any Electronics don't get me wrong Electronics is nice when the conditions are tough butt I think in a tournament you should go by your instincts and use Electronics as a last result if needed I get it doing tournaments you have to make money or you do not pay bills or eat but on the other hand it's not fair to the fish I get that as well and nowadays you have a lot of Anglers on the water in the lake can be pressured so it can get tough to make a living doing tournaments compare it to working in a mechanic shop and getting paid flat rate regular old fashioned hand tools will not cut it show me mechanics use power tools I think it's the same with the live scope but mechanics know how to use old fashioned hand tools if their power tools break it needs to be the same way with fishermen if something happens to your electronics you need to rely on your instincts

[@Shankdaddy16]

I’d like the phrase “If you’re looking, you ain’t cooking” to start applying to fishing as well.

[@TomKirkman1]

Must be a Holland Grill man...

[@radicalzz8219]

The tobacco comparison just shows how far gone Randy is 😂

[@lukusfuchs1870]

Virgil Ward didn't need live scope so I won't use it either..

[@CAN43725]

Virgil wouldn't know what buttons to press or even how to turn it on. I am guessing you might not either.

[@midnightcamaro]

I haven’t even watched yet, but the title is good! 😂

[@ricknelson4793]

Agree with your principal but I am a hat collector lol I have several different hats for fishing mainly to keep the sun from burning up my candy ass

[@JohnZetty]

I’ll stand by something you said and support it till I die, FFS is not fair chase. It goes against the entire premise and should not be allowed in “pro” angling.

[@mr.j5kmbl383]

You’re taking ol Randy pretty serious there man, there’s lots of things I will support and stand firm on but something a KZbinr says? Probably not, he’s in it for clicks and view time and $$ of course, however I too think that the “ pros” shouldn’t be allowed to use it, I would like to see how some tournaments would end up like this year’s classic. Take everything but a depth finder away and I’m curious how it would have shaken out

[@JohnZetty]

Avid outdoorsman here. Fair chase across the board is a hallmark of the lifestyle. Using ffs in a “pro” angler setting pretty much eliminates fair chase. Those whom lack the knowledge to locate fish without ffs aren’t “pros” they are claiming to be. They simply misrepresent the entire sport as a whole. It’s not just something some KZbinr said. It’s a known fact and has been for many decades. I just happen to be old enough to have been raised to understand and appreciate it.

[@driftwhat]

It has nothing to do with age or KZbin views. People need to use more of their intuition. When the weather flips on tournament day. That's when the rubber meets the road. Untill that happens live scope people will have a better chance of cashing a check. Cmon now it's intuitive!

[@4thLineAngling]

Can’t just get obsessed with bass. I guess we’re lucky where I’m from but fish like walleye lake trout and salmon is a real challenge especially in clear water even musky. People love bass but they are small and bite easy compared to a lot of other fresh water species. Non live scope shore fisherman here that racks them up

[@chrisc9997]

Skeet Reese used to be a Chippendale dancer. LOL

[@larrystanley5370]

I love

[@airhis7524]

dark path lmao

[@Zanzabar5]

FSFWS, Forward-Sonar Fairy-Wand Society, is going to be on our cases after this video.

[@johnhahn9485]

I love your channel and I watch it a lot, but I have a question for the younger generation coming up in bass fishing and I’m 50 years old by the way do you recommend they go out and get their teeth kicked in by the live scoopers and lose every tournament or best place maybe 20th What do you learn how to scope and be competitive in the sport that is happening right now?

[@jaym8257]

Young fishermen are going to do what they want. They will pay no mind to Boomers.

[@brin66itm59]

I respectfully disagree with your comment the “ Younger Anglers won’t be missing out on anything, if they get rid of their livescope”. They sure will, $100k Tournament wins. They will never dump it until the Tournaments or leagues ban it.

[@harlincolkmire933]

You are 💯 percent correct. But I just don't think the new generation is going to change. I am 64 years old and I have never had any kind of electronics. When I started bass fishing I didn't even have a trolling motor. But give them a paddle they wouldn't even know how to it. But you are right 💯.

[@mikeharris130]

Wise words in the beginning, you got a bit too lecturing at the end.

[@bobbymason3420]

Do the sunglasses fit over regular glasses?

[@randyblaukatintuitive]

No, but they do make prescription models

[@craigdool3411]

12:35 12:45

[@craqerjaq]

Far more interesting than the tips videos 😅

[@jamesvircik2865]

Randy Hancho, you look good with a flat brim lol and a vape thingy

[@robertlewis3116]

I bet this video gets some views! As far as your videos, I enjoy all of them. Keep doing what you’re doing.

[@philsurratt5982]

Aw man!,, complex here! I wear a flat brim hat! Fair skin and don’t like getting pre cancer getting frozen on my face!! lol!, that’s it though, don’t meet any of the other criteria!

[@andybales7318]

Said it many times..fishing is Angler vs Fish, not Technology vs Fish...once Technology overtakes actual fishing skills/techniques, it's no longer fishing.......There's a reason anyone can win a tournament today, anywhere, anytime....Scoping skills should NEVER be the reason for "winning" a tournament over actual fishing skills...Same goes for recreational fishing....Recreational Scoping & Recreational Fishing aren't even close to being similar

[@CosbyKid]

It's always technology vs. the fish.

[@marshmutt8975]

Not a tournament fisherman or even a serious bass fisherman. Like to catch catfish and crappie for fishfrys a lot more than getting look-at-me clicks with a big hawg bass that I will throw back. It cracks me up how everybody wants to turn every hobby from BBQ to hunting to fishing to whatever. I'm an odd duck, I know.

[@MSL-dv6nx]

I guess i'm a 52 yr old flat brimmer. Lol, but I don't have FFS. Hell, I don't even turn my electronics on most days but I have 40 years of bass fishing experience so I don't really need them. Lol! But honestly, if you wear big oversized sunglasses, a flat brim hat fits a lot better than a curved brim hat, and provides more sun protection for your face.

[@DonaldOakleaf]

If you sharpen your skills without ffs, if it was ever banned you will be that much farther ahead, don't use it myself, i just learned how to read bass habits, they may as well make dynamite legal lol

[@BattleattheBank]

Not a hunter just enjoy fishing, do they allow a drone to find deer? Similar to a live scope imo just under the water instead of over the woods?

[@rcp8287]

What makes it traditional? At one time, what you call traditional wasn't traditional! At one time the longer handles on rods was odd. Putting everyone in one box and judging them and saying they can't really fish is just as wrong as the things you disagree with! Even the flat brim comments! You do know that some people wear a flat brim hat while fishing because it helps block the sun and glare with the right glasses! To blindly judge a large group of people the way you do is one of the biggest problems in general nowadays! To tell the lies no matter how small is wrong on so many levels! Telling someone they aren't a man because of a material object they may have or use says so many things about what kind of person you are and to do it knowing you have people that blindly follow you and your opinions tells allot!