a question about the varying planes of reality inside a dream

[@thelettere.1645]

Me having a conversation with the fish in the grocery store tanks:

[@maroonvfx]

girl when I catch you

[@thelettere.1645]

I AM the fish girl now.

[@Elffin..Greenseer]

Not you getting pinned by MOTHER

[@dannyyspencerr]

i mean i'm a pisces so glug glug im listening !

[@somebodyknowitall7131]

girl you like talking to fish a lot, looking at your other comments😭

[@ihywls]

like the dreams where you’re in a place you’ve been before but it actually looks nothing like the place in real life but in the dream you know that that’s where you are

[@-Reagan]

YES it’s a feeling and sometimes it comes with actual memories of a past you never lived irl. In the dream world you have a memory of a past that is not your irl living experience. It’s so real. Only on waking you know you have never experienced those dream-memories, yet you still, persistently feel it as akin to dè ja vue, that indescribable remnant of familiarity. A lucid dream, a moment of clarity between lifetimes or maybe you have been living parallel lives, on a non-linear trajectory. In this time you sense that in your dreams as the parallel universes cross paths, a moment of sensing transcends the two realities, like a seeing the shadows and feeling the movement of another, through a thin translucent curtain, a thick fog layer reaching through the thin places as a portal or, as touching a twin through the living membrane that separates you from your twin in the close, throbbing dimness of your mother’s womb. So close you can feel your twin other, your anam cara, sense their warmth and the beating pulse, the sensation of their limbs pressing against your own body. To know a place or person as you know your own friends and family and all the people you meet. In your dreams as in the waking world irl. I wonder…

[@ruhiyyihmiller1767]

Omg this happens to me all the time

[@eltonfan62]

The majority of my dreams are like I'm very familiar with this place I'm at, but it's also something dramatically different to the place and it usually always comes with anxiety. Even if in real life these places brought you joy and happiness, in dreaming it's like things are in chaos and not all is ok.

[@ruhiyyihmiller1767]

@@eltonfan62 omg yes exactly

[@steffanixoom]

I have a reoccurring thing where a "deer" in my dreams are all a fully white cow and I don't understand whyyyyy

[@huyi333]

the plug alittle weird but she chill

[@karanbirbains9114]

@@snakeyjaakerug dealer

[@endymion222]

😭😭😭😭

[@KazhnaLightfoot]

@@snakeyjaakeneed a rug?

[@pauie4314]

@@KazhnaLightfootchipotle

[@edstar83]

​@argonianale5716 A flying rug like Aladdin's please.

[@sophia2932]

There’s definitely a difference, I think that imagining yourself doing something in a dream is purely visual whereas actually doing that action first person in a dream includes a deeper sensation of actually feeling it as if it were real life, both physically and emotionally

[@lanealferez9344]

but you'd probably be imagining how it would feel? idk haha

[@sophia2932]

@@lanealferez9344 well yes but that’s still different than feeling it, I swear I can actually feel pain, sadness/crying, etc in my dreams as if I were awake it’s freaky

[@MG-ql8sgsgloryhole]

@@sophia2932 a lot of the times, “physically” feeling something in a dream is so disorienting and scary and cool at the same time💀

[@Ryan88881]

I think it’s just a lower, but still revealing and relatively ‘authentic’ reality. Dreams have an unrealish quality I’d say, but they still seem to have some connection to deterministic future realities and scenarios of sorts as it relates to waking.

[@feli.n]

I agree with this, even in dreams actions and thoughts have a difference..

[@pap3rr_cut]

this reminds me of how I interact with my walls at 3 am lowk

[@App.ollo_]

Thank God I'm not the only one having these tangents while looking at a cereal bowl

[@Ema0nline]

i love having these kind of conversations at night with my bestie, so now you are my bestie, mother, i love you

[@linoysandler129]

This feels like a FaceTime

[@twinsfawn]

i don’t have a great answer for any of this but i think an aspect that this hinges on is whether you can lucid dream or not. i cannot, and i’ve never had dreams vivid enough for me to imagine myself doing something within a dream. there are just actions taking place that are seemingly out of my control and a lot of the time i’m unable to be conscious of the fact that “oh this is a dream” side note tho: it’s interesting that you bring this up bc literally within the last couple of nights i had my first ever dream that entirely took place with me scrolling on my phone. my whole visual field was just clicking through my phone and piecing together information. which tells me it’s time to get off my damn phone lmao it makes me sad that that’s where my brain is at

[@mothercain]

oh god i had a dream like that once. it was one of those dreams that you have in the halfway point between being awake and actually being in deep sleep, like a transitional dream. the entire thing was just a stream of notifications on the lock screen of my phone rolling up constantly into my eyelids and it was so awful and overwhelming it woke me back up with a panic attack. i turned my phone notifications off for everything except imessage right then and there and still have them off to this day lol. i think it was the night of the album release show at the masonic lodge in LA, actually. it's burned into my brain.

[@twinsfawn]

@@mothercain OUGH it’s time for us to all go back to flip phones

[@spopydude69]

Have you tried dream journaling? The more consistent you are the better you get at recalling dreams, which makes all your dreams more vivid.

[@AEGYOKILLER]

@@spopydude69 I second this, I kept a dream journal for about a month or two and it straight up unlocked my sh*t. Its been about 20 years since then and I still have lucid dreams about once or twice every 2 weeks and if they aren't completely lucid they are crazy vivid and hyperdetailed.

[@just4pierce7]

@@mothercain WOWOWWOWOW MOTHER YOU ARE SO INFLUENTIAL

[@7_ty_]

This is very ASMR, it’s so calming. I’d love a 40+ minute video of you just talking softly about whatever you want

[@lydibugs]

so many of her videos are like this!! you should watch one of her art book tours

[@salemsarisca]

she has some!! They are phenomenal

[@matthumphries]

agreeeed. need her to do her own TotK playthrough next I'd die

[@7_ty_]

@@lydibugsI’ve seen her longer ones about her art books and the whispered readings, but I forgot about them and went back to watch one lol I guess I meant a video like this where it feels like a FaceTime and she just jumps around to random topics

[@lydibugs]

@@7_ty_ yes yess i need more of this format

[@archivist-93]

Dreams are so fascinating. I often return to the same places in my dreams and they feel like the real world except slightly altered. I often remember things I did in other dreams in these places. It almost feels like I have a whole other life in the dream world, and honestly, it’s super fun sometimes

[@Ryan88881]

You just described the exact thing I noticed. Once I fell into a trance while peaking on LSD. And in this trance lost complete sensory stimuli contact to the outer world, perception-wise, and I literally entered the dream state while in my friends kitchen. I had suddenly remembered dreams I had been having lately around that time and was in one of them right then and looking back it might have been kind of prophetic too because of the location.

[@archivist-93]

@@Ryan88881 Whoa that sounds cool

[@nitae1557]

Same! Do you also have multiple ‘worlds’

[@shadw4701]

In the lucid dreaming community this is often referred to as "persistent realms" but I like to call them continued dreams

[@archivist-93]

@@nitae1557 Yes! Especially when I lucid dream, there’s this one place in particular where I always arrive at, there are these huge mountains which I fly over that seem to be in all the seasons at once and the sky is always a bright blue. I can see cottages and trees on the mountains, and everything is in very crisp detail. How about you?

[@jasonritchie6827]

...years ago when i was 30 i went to bed as normal , and can only assume that i dreamt the entire rest of my life . when i got to i think my late 80's (in the assumed dream ) i found myself sitting in a tall wingback chair in front of a 3 bar electric fire feeling very tired knowing that if i let myself fall asleep then i would be passing away .I contemplated all the things i had done in my life was was happy with what i had achieved , remembering loads of past events i closed my eyes and passed away . At that exact moment i woke up 30 years old again in my bedroom that i had originally gone to sleep in what i thought was a life time before . For a few brief seconds i had memories of all the events of the life i had lived in the "dream " but could not remember anything apart from the end after few moments . I was shocked to find my self back 30 again and to this day 29 years later i am still sure ive cheated time some how ! I have kept a dream book and have proved to myself with no doubt that it is possible to dream future events ......but that's a whole different subject !

[@psych0_s1s]

omg wait… i had this exact experience a couple of times. one of them took place turning off the corner of the main street i currently live on. when i sat in a specific spot in our window and looked out at that spot it felt like files redownloading in my head. very strange experience.

[@lon9903]

The fact that this video could be 9 hours long & I would still watch it

[@perpetualMess.]

I think, even in dreams, thinking does not mean doing. Like when you have a nightmare, say you choose where to hide, imaging yourself hiding somewhere else doesn’t mean you hid there. Similar to how you can have a dream within a dream, and you know that this inner dream wasn’t something did in the dream, just something that was still a dream.

[@toothmarked]

it all happens on the same flat plane of consciousness imo, because your brain is still creating/ lording over all of it and it all has the same texture/feel. you’re imagining what it’s like to imagine something, but the secondary imagining is fake, in a way, because it’s still within the constraints of the first imagination. i have so many dreams where i’m imagining things (inside the dream) and then they happen (also inside the dream) as if the imagined event was reality the whole time. feels very fluid and grainy, like a movie i’ve lost the plot of. dreams are so fascinating and i love this video it’s like being on facetime with a friend

[@ilyhannnie]

wake up weird girls ethel cain uploaded

[@Adam-2good4u]

I love the way she speaks, acts, looks….your impeccable hayden.

[@Gu1d-0]

I barely have a fuckin clue whats going on here but she chill

[@danirodriguez2676]

You just explained the plot of Dr strange and the multiverse of madness to me in 5 minutes

[@hydratedpotato_111]

this reminds me of those dreams where you kind of realize its a dream halfway through but then let whatever chaotic shit is happening in that dream happen and not thinking anything of it , like when i go to sleep im always deathly afraid of having a nightmare and my only comfort is being able to be like "Oh , this is a dream!"

[@shadw4701]

Lucid dreaming

[@hydratedpotato_111]

@@shadw4701 damn

[@shadijido]

It kinda reminds me of video games where you can shift your perspective from outside your body to your own eyes’ sight. And kinda like you described I’ve noticed myself having dreams where I’ll witness something and then replicate the action myself as a recreation of it out of curiosity or to ‘bring the sense of it closer to myself’ and the shift between witnessing someone do it vs bringing it to myself is ephemeral but in a waking state feels more distinct.

[@SscorpiomoonN]

I do think there’s a difference, you can feel it. And like you said, you have this knowledge in your dreams and if you ‘know’ that you’re imagining it, then you are

[@CottonDreemurr]

from a philosophical standpoint, dreams often lack the boundaries we experience in waking life. you’re essentially questioning the distinction between “doing” and “imagining” within the dream itself. while awake, we understand that imagining an action is different from performing it, because it happens solely in the mind. but in a dream, both the act of doing something and imagining it can feel equally real, because both are happening within the same dream construct. in your case, when you’re watching a video and imagining yourself doing the action, both actions are taking place within the dream, so there’s no real boundary between the two. they exist on different planes within that dream reality. the omnipotent knowledge you described adds another layer. you knew what was happening and that you were imagining yourself doing it, but does that knowledge make it any less real within the context of the dream? probably not, since dreams don’t rely on the same logic or separation that we use when we’re awake. in a way, you might have been experiencing multiple levels of awareness at once…watching, imagining, and knowing. all while in the dream state. so, whether you were “actually” doing something or imagining yourself doing it in the dream might not make a difference because dreams are inherently fluid and constructed by your mind.

[@asakai111]

i kind of have a love hate relationship with dreams because they feel so vivid and almost like a snapshot of a memory i have truly experienced. i don’t know i sort of like to believe that dreams are things that have happened to us in another universe or what could’ve happened in this universe.

[@homesprocket]

Love it. Often times in my dreams my perspective changes between me being third person (almost disembodied) and then me being doing that. Sometimes I’m watching a movie in a theatre and then I’m in a movie. Sometimes I’m with a person and the identity of that person changes multiple times (and they’re each people I know) but I’m only with one person.

[@leiabradley5114]

I think even in the dreamscape the imagining is different than just the dream itself. You're definitely dipping a toe into lucid dreaming at that point-not full on lucid, but that omnipotence you mentioned, that dream logic, having that knowledge puts you more in control of the "protagonist" of the dreamer inside the dream. I don't know if that makes sense but basically I'm agreeing that there's levels to it!

[@ryanhill3138]

The switch between watching a scene play out and doing the action itself and "embodying" yourself in a dream, is night and day for me. I feel like my lucid dreams, when I sometimes don't know inherently if I am dreaming, or if it is a premonition, or a memory reshaped is when I embody myself, 1st person. Watching myself, I always know. Talking to people about their dreams, not so much the content of them, but the way they experience them is always a rabbit hole, and never endingly fascinating

[@emilyjeffri]

i'd say they're different - using your imagination within a dream is much more difficult to control but if you chose to imagine something in real life there's much more intention behind it i guess? though i'm not sure if the differing difficulties separates them well enough and if it was a lucid dream then it gets considerably more confusing lol also, just wanted to say, i performed at all points east & was in the artist village with you but i was so nervous! spoke to some of your band at the little coffee stall & they were absolutely lovely. i love your art so so much, you're a fucking legend.

[@elkhandler]

i feel like this is a common segue to new chapters of a dream for me! it starts as imagining or explaining something. but then that becomes the dream. like a little spinoff show

[@iloveworms2000]

i feel like it’s similar to how i understand infinity or the universe is; it’s something within something within something and it seems like it shouldn’t be able to keep going but it does forever. the same as if you were to “zoom out” so to speak, the dream is within your consciousness which is within what we understand to be our reality which is within something else, and on and on and on. but, each level of that can seem like its own, separate reality. for example when you’re in a dream and it seems so real and it is its own separate reality for a moment. i think you could dream within a dream and that’s its own little reality for a moment too. idk if that makes sense. i think that imagining something within a dream is still another plane of reality. it’s just another level. even though you’re “imagining” it in the dream and not actually partaking in the actions, it is still a reality in some ways.

[@imyourlocalbot]

Your videos are so calming for me to listen to. I just like hearing how your mind works😭

[@a.luvlyx]

no literally 😭 she's so intresting too. i love falling asleep to her vids

[@clairecostello892]

So happy to finally see someone talk about the different realties and multiple dimensions within dreams. My dreams are so multilayered, multidimensional, vivid, and sometimes repetitive. I often dream about reoccurring settings, like my nana’s Victorian home she used to have when I was little. I absolutely cannot believe that scientists say all dreams have no meaning!! That just cannot be true in these instances…

[@FinaBoBina]

Yo this track is HEATTTT 🔥🔥🔥

[@edenspeaks6095]

you’re like the only person that could make this make sense to me. i never understand when people talk about stuff like this but i get it now

[@HighStrangeDrifter]

“We are like the dreamer who dreams, then lives inside the dream”. After a pause she adds: “But who is the dreamer?”-Monica Bellucci as herself inside a Gordon Cole (played by David Lynch)dream, in Twin Peaks:The Return…

[@oxytaboo]

these are like the debates i have with myself in my head for days

[@lilywalker4257]

you’re thrown into the dream unwillingly with no control. but when you inside the dream start to daydream you take control of what you’re viewing. it’s like you’re reclaiming the unknown of your mind

[@Slabble]

Your art is so inspiring. I love how multidimensional​you are with it. From storytelling to composition magnified by your passion and style. Your music touches a part of my soul like a secret I've hidden from everyone but always wished would be found out.

[@NightsElapseASMR]

I love this conversation. As someone who dreams every single night (i’m almost always *not* lucid), I encounter several planes of reality. Because I dream a lot, I sometimes forget uneventful dreams. But every now and then I find myself in a specific environment (like school, even though I don’t presently go). In these dreams, it’ll feel like a new memory until something reminds me that I’ve experienced it before. But not before in real life, but before in a dream. Every time I have a dream where I go to this school, I have a certain classroom that I walk by, knowing i’ve skipped that class for months. So not only do I have pre-existing dream memories, but the passage of time is deceiving. I’ve knowingly skipped that class for months, but haven’t had months-worth of those dreams. But every time I dreamt it, I knew that I didn’t go. There is an alternative version of me that has her own different brain of memories. Irl me does not know what subject it is, or what teacher it is, or who my classmates are. It’s just *that* class I skip in my dream for some reason. And i’m never lucid!! So I truly consume those moments as if they are my actual life. Not gonna lie, it actually freaks me out.

[@KelseyDunlevy]

I keep a dream journal, and I've described that "omnipotent knowledge" thing in it so many times, so thank you for giving it a name.

[@bananafruit6060]

I knew the way you were saying “I was watching a video of someone doing something” that it was sex LMAO

[@crookedtool]

There are certain things you can do while you are awake to condition yourself to become lucid in dreams as well as keep yourself from waking up while lucid. One is to get into the habit of "reality" checks throughout the day, such as asking yourself "where am I, what am I doing, am I awake?" and looking at the clock. In dreams, the clocks never read consistently, and will be changed when you look back, which will help you realize you are dreaming and become lucid. Something you can do to maintain the lucid dream (since the tendency is to wake up once you realize you're just laying there with your eyes closed) is to look very closely at something and try to really see the texture of the surface. You will notice the dream become more clear and vibrant and this helps you remain asleep.

[@formerdungeonmaster1232]

I don't think we have a concept of our own thoughts as we dream so whatever we imagine becomes the reality of the dream. That's why everything is so fluid and shifty.

[@VerbalEarthworm]

Like someone has said, it's the beginnings of lucid dreaming, where you start to be self-aware of your dream state and can begin to analyse and manipulate the dream environment. And, yes, there is a difference between dreaming and day-dreaming within the dream. I myself have imagined myself into situations within a dream that appeal to me yet were happening to someone else, only to later dream of it again in first person. Shaping the dream-space and insinuating myself into a role I have become engaged with over more than one dream.

[@tanukilvr8]

Saving my day with this video ily

[@PGHpartei]

It is basically a form of lucid dreaming, there can be several levels within such lucid dreams, which can be shaped and controlled unconsciously or consciously. With a little mental training, you can create dream realities almost like in the movie Inception. Btw. Aphex Twin used to compose his music in this way here and there by sleeping in his recording studio and composing a few tracks during his lucid dreams. By the way, I like such conversations about such topics, preferably next to a person like you. You are truly an inspiration and have interesting thought processes, a really creative soul and also make such beautiful music. Greetings from Germany 🖤

[@antIerss]

loving the shirt , raise hell praise dale

[@escaping_purgatory]

hell yes

[@anacayse]

at first i didnt understand exactly what you were getting at- but at the end there when you actually explained the "plot" of the dream I could imagine your scenario perfectly in my head too, like images. my mental reconfiguration of your experience immediately struck me as an even further leap of planes of reality. I was imagining the way you must have seen the world in 1st person perspective within your dream, it was super trippy. you brought up omnipotence in dreams. i usually explain my dreams saying i "knew something to be true". if you knew it to be true that you were imagining this thing, I think the answer is that that is different than just dreaming of doing it. if you had just dreamt of doing it, you wouldnt have been aware of the buffer of your own imagination. you were aware in your dream that it wasnt an action you really were carrying out. i think that awareness is the key to ur question. i dont know if you buy into the symbolism of dreams, or feel that your dreams are ever telling you something that you should listen to. but if you do, i think that is another thing that differentiates these two categories you raised. i think the fact that this dream had so many layers and degrees of removal means something very different than simply dreaming of doing the action. your brain would be regurgitating different subconscious ideas in each instance. thats my two cents, but the more i try to explain my take the more i begin seeing how the counter argument could be true!

[@teatray]

i love dreams so much and i get so excited when i try and explain them to my friends but it makes sense in my head but i cant explain it. i know all the events in the dream in my head and how they happened but it doesn’t make sense when said out loud to another person. i know its not exactly the same as what you were explaining but it makes me happy someone else thinks the same way

[@anonimous_user7318]

I think it depends on how vivid the imagined experience was or if you could somehow tell it was just imagination within the dream. In my experience the line between imagining something within a dream and then your dream placing in the very situation you're imagining can be crossed very suddenly and unexpectedly. It's not something that's very clear cut and it varies from person to person and even from dream to dream. For your case I guess it depends on if you felt like you were just imagining it within the dream or if it felt like you were truly placed in that situation.

[@gothmommyasmr]

I think it’s more about what it means to you specifically as it’s your dream, so it will be hyper specific to you. So your interpretation of the symbols will be the most important. It seems like you interpreted it as imagining - and with it being a sex dream, well /I/ typically interpret sex as a metaphor for fusing with someone’s traits and change in a pleasurable, social way. Traits we want to absorb within ourselves. So I would say there’s a piece of you that wants to merge with someone else, perhaps it’s traits of a specific person or perhaps it’s in general wanting to be open to it, but you have a bit of a mental block. We often imagine things rather than do them either out of self limiting beliefs or safety. So there’s a piece of you trying to prepare to merge or change, or fantasize about it, that is not quite ready to just do that yet, as in dreams technically we are the only ones limiting ourselves.

[@gothmommyasmr]

You could even go as far as to say technically you are ready because technically you did it; but you have a mental block or a desire to keep it to yourself rather than act on it in reality.

[@davidbruggen6210]

Each state represents a different way of experiencing and interpreting reality, rather than a strict boundary between what is “real” and “not real.” The distinct separation of daydreams, dreams, spiritual aspect have all been pushed by western society. In other cultures these states of consciousness can be considered a continuum. Day dreams are as valid as being awake and conscious because they all come from the mind. The entire social construct we created making these distinctions are all shaped by norms, collective agreements and perceptions. Reality is how we collectively perceive every aspect of what makes up of our every day lives. Subconscious learning happens in our dreams as well as when we are awake. In many cultures our dreams are ways to understand ourselves. All states of experience are ways of engaging with the vast, unknowable “real”

[@heykalei]

Like others have said I feel the "imagining doing an action in a dream" is dipping into lucid dreaming. Like if you were just doing it, you probably weren't conscious of it and it's just part of how the dream goes. But imagining doing it is one step closer to realizing you aren't in reality and that you can control what's going on. I also have memories in dreams which I think is also entering that omnipotent powers thing you mentioned.

[@Bmy-melo8]

There is a difference between imagining in the dream and dreaming, because i always imagine things in my dream but it was in my head even if i saw it on the dream it's still in my head in the dream. and imagining is like thinking and if you're thinking in a dream it doesn't mean that you're dreaming of it no you're just thinking/ imagining that it happened. So it's not the same

[@sorordymphna93]

took a blinker every time hayden said “dream” and now im actually imagining myself doing this in my dream but i don’t know

[@me_ugh9565]

I have had dreams within dreams before, and dreams where I remember something from another dream, like I get this. I think there's a difference imagining in a dream because of the just overall vibe of being in a dream vs reality, even if both are imagining.

[@mangotea48]

i don't think dreams are something we'll ever understand, but i kind of think of it like we just wake and remember the dreams as foggy, but if someone was like lucid dreaming then they would be experiencing it the same way as life when awake, and would be imagining it in their head while whats in front of them is like a dream landscape, but i guess no matter what is like an endless loop of thoughts inside a thought.

[@user-mf5kn8bn9h]

i feel like the only difference is your perception in the dream. like in the dream you automatically know and understand everything about the dream so you *KNOW* that it's just a daydream. like that's the difference. because in a dream you're the only real person there. in the real world, the only difference between a daydream and a real action is how it influences other people. a daydream will not make a difference in someone else's life (as in like the actions you take in your imagination have no correlating consequences in tangible reality) so therefore in a dream that distinction falls away. if you do something, and no-one's there to see it or feel it but you, did you do it at all? it's sort of an if a tree falls line of thinking. of course, in a dream you're omniscient. so you like know the difference and you know whether or not it fits the narrative of the dream

[@Moonsong_]

Actually, I’m going to try and write a serious comment. I think you brought up a really interesting topic. I’ll try and keep it short. I feel like dreams are a vivid representation of the most intimate and cryptic part of our brain, the subconscious, almost like dreaming was a way to study and gather information about it. I’ve recently discovered that what we see in dreams are very extravagant and random shapes, our brain just makes them into something concrete that we can recognise; if I got what you said right, you dreamed about watching a video of two people fiki fikiyng and totally wanted to recreate the scene with one of the two individuals, I think that’s mind blowing - especially if it was a lucid dream, which, as long as I didn’t miss it, you didn’t mention in the video (so I’m guessing it was a regular dream); I’d like to think that one of the predestined future for humanity is something regarding the full access and knowledge of our fantasy and creativity, just like in your dream, you saw something digital and managed to turn it into a concrete situation that had effects and repercussions on you. I’m going to share an experience I had that I still remember so candidly to this day: the dream probably lasted 5 or 6 minutes, it begun with me, my mother and my cousin walking at night in a city, it was grey and very much dull, just like those towns overtaken by overconsumption and capitalism portrayed in animated cartoons: dun, full of smoke, etc… throughout the first 4/5:30 minutes there’s an ongoing sound of a dog barking alongside my mother and cousin speaking, until every sound (save for the quivering noise of the wind) stops right after we hear what seems to be a banister breaking, I turn around and start running in the middle of a giant road as the song “Tag you’re it” by Melanie Martinez starts playing (mind you I was a big fan of hers at 10-11 years old, but I wasn’t listening to her music at all during the time the dream happened) and I had a subconscious gut feeling that I was being chased by the dog (Who broke the banister); after like 4 seconds of running I woke up and my whole thorax just stood up as soon as I opened my eyes. I’m sorry for explaining it this badly but it’s currently 3:54 a.m. and I’m pissing myself. Lost of love 💓💓

[@Moonsong_]

I just rewatched the video and realised I didn’t understand anything ✊

[@welayinthorns747]

I think its different because you dont feel like youre actually partaking in what it is youre imagining. In my very first lucid dream, i couldnt wake up no matter what. I felt tired so i took a nap in that dream, and had another dream. But when I woke up, i was still in the original dream. I also have a lot of false awakenings, like dreams within dreams within dreams. Trippy stuff

[@bootsbeforecorset]

The hyperphantasia levels sound so heightened. To basically see your thoughts within a dream. I have similar dreams that are hyper-realistic, they’re a bit rare, but so vivid that wake up and feel like I need to assess what planet I’m on.

[@bootsbeforecorset]

The varying planes of reality within dreams are so interesting. Sometimes I get Deja vu type situations in real life and it’s hard to say if our dreams can predict real life events. Like how Florence Welch says that her songwriting process can be a bit prophetic, how she may write a lyric and now quite know what it means until years later and then.

[@keanou_k]

my understanding from when it happens to me, is that i do switch dreams. i think there's a difference between thinking of something in a dream and imagining it. you can then visualize that thought by switching to it, i guess? maybe it has something to do with how we think too. like how a train of thoughts work. they're mainly words for me, sounds, flashbacks and then when something interesting catches my interest, it happens that i see it. maybe that's how dreams work too? it had happened that thoughts just stayed thoughts in my dreams, but never when i started imagining it. then i completely switched dreams

[@jacobtroxel3428]

The main thing that comes to mind in comparing these subjective experiences is to evaluate the 'perceived end result'. Or in other words what is the final emotion or summation of experience, compare those to get a better grasp of any meaningful 'difference'.

[@elizabethkurth2069]

you said it very well

[@manty_monster]

i think dreams are your stream of consciousness in visual full hallucination rather than an internal monologue (or other way you perceive your stream of conscious while awake), so if thats true they would be the same thing

[@ethelvescent]

hello, hayden! I don't know if you'll see this or not, but oh my goodness your music has changed my life for the better. you've helped me come to terms with my identity and how I perceive life and forgiveness. the sun-bleached flies bridge altered something within my vessel, shaking me to my absolute core. thank you for existing. we all love you.

[@ailixchaerea9510]

I’ve wondered that a lot, myself. My instinct says that imagining things in real life is /not/ the same thing as doing it in a dream. It just doesn’t feel the same. When a perspective shift happens in one of my dreams, I can’t just conjure a fantasy of what just happened and go back. And once the shift (in the dream) happens, anything might happen in the new setting. Once I shift to what I “imagine” myself doing, I’ll be doing it…but I might also be a completely different human or different being altogether once it happens. Sometimes I can exert a “warding” influence against entities or forces I recognize in time to react to. Sometimes I can do things like turn into an owl and go to a different place, but it’s not easy for me to gauge distances and locations like that and I’ve ended up in completely random places. Like, in space or the ocean

[@josejonatan5145]

Ill put my two cents in: It would depend on where your sense of Self is, in the dream. I've had experiences very similar to your own, and I it's a fine line to cross. Your Self fluctuates easily in dreams, you're not always Yourself, you can become other people or be no one at all. If 'You' in the dream, were thinking of something, in the dream, I would think that the Thinking part is still more or less, the "dominant" part, or at least where it originated at. But mostly, in a dream, it tends to simulate how we are whilst awake. So if you are 'present' in the dream; you have this, 'Dream Body' where you can more or less see and feel and interact through, than it would track that you can also have a 'Dream Mind', a mind inside your mind, inside the dream. This could explain how you can still 'imagine' or 'visualize' stuff in dreams. I've had times where I had dreams inside of dreams, or recalled real life events of that day, inside of dreams. It's really fascinating stuff

[@josejonatan5145]

Also obligatory Queen, Mother, Slay, love your music yadda yadda

[@benjaminmirt5029]

In dreams things happen that you unconciously primarily feel/think. Thats why your mirror neurons that activate when you relate to a person make you be the person, because that is what is dominant in your mind at the time. Same reason for many stuck in the "cant run away from monster" dream. Your most basic primary thought is the fear of not getting away, so you cant. When you can guide your most basic thoughts you can start to lucid dream and alter it as you like.

[@lamourdemaviie]

this felt like a fever dream

[@haggardcrone923]

I've seen a lot of folks mentioning lucid dreaming, and it sort of got me thinking about this and how I've personally experienced dreams, so before I weigh in I'll share the thought process before my own answer to the question. I think the answer lies in the level of lucidity, and in response I've tried to develop a sliding scale that can be used to make your own conclusions. Dreams are inherently transient so it feels silly to even try to "categorize" the experience especially when people dream so differently, but I'm trying to blend different experiences here with my own in creating these different levels. There are three different levels, each with a passive and active state, or a sliding scale of action within the dream. Also for the sake of understanding I use wordings like "either present or observing" which is to say either first or third person, but still with the awareness that it is you. I almost exclusively dream in the third person, where I am thinking and acting as normal but exist watching my body (or sometimes not my waking body, but that is beside the point here) but I understand that a lot of folks have first person dream experiences as well, so that wording is meant to be sort of a catchall for "I am present in some capacity". Observing: Watching- Either present or observing a scenario, unaware of dreaming state, unable to react or control. These are mostly like movies Lucid Watching- Either present or observing a scenario, aware of dreaming state, unable to react or control. These could be like sleep paralysis adjacent experiences, nightmares where you are aware but cannot do anything, or simply watching something with a dream subconscious understanding that what you are seeing isn't real/waking Responding: Reacting- Present or observing a scenario, unaware of dream state, able to react or control self. This can feel the most like real life because of the level of control without the omniscient understanding that what is occurring is in a dream. Can be anything from incredibly mundane everyday tasks like dreaming you've gotten up and gone to work to nightmares that feel real. Lucid Reacting- Present or observing a scenario, aware of dream state, able to react or control self. Pretty self explanatory but gets into the territory of true lucid dreaming, where you know it's a dream and you're able to act accordingly to that understanding. I have had my dream self wake myself up from nightmares at this state as sort of a ripcord, understanding that my dream self was controlled but the scenario was not and only my waking self could get me out of it. Creating: Lucid Controlling- Either present or observing omnisciently, aware of dream state, able to react and control self fully, limited control of scenario. The best example I can think of this is probably daydreaming or trying to force yourself to imagine a scenario. When I am lucid controlling, I may try to manipulate the scenario that is occurring and twist it into something else, but cannot fully control it or an unintended outcome may occur as a result. Honestly this one kind of feels like mixing chemicals in an odd way. Lucid Actualization- Present or observing, aware of dream state, fully aware, full control. This is like where you realize you're in a dream so you fly and then realize you can do more than that and change everything around you too. Blur State: This one gets its own whole level because it doesn't really fit into anything else but still feels worth mentioning for the sake of conversation. Blur state is not necessarily watching or controlling, scenarios become abstract or fragmented, dream logic becomes absurd (like somewhere that is most certainly not your house being absolutely your house in blur state), and levels of lucidity and reactivity ebb and flow. Nonsense dreams that are just a kaleidoscope of sensory experience. Can also alternate with complete absence. This feels like the joining link that brings creating and observing stages from being separate levels to completing some sort of circle. Probably the most commonly experienced dream and hardest to describe. All of that aside, I feel like what you're describing is somewhere in the responding phase, which takes a slightly more active role. Whether you were aware you were dreaming or not, you still experienced something and then daydreamed about it afterwards. I would classify that as separate experiences rather than the daydream and the dream being on the same level. I think without the awareness/self action that comes with Responding versus Observing, if it was simply a watching and no personal control (whether aware or not) you could make an argument for the dream "level" to be the same, because it wasn't an active decision being made. The more decision that becomes involved, the more complex and leveled a dream could become I think. so nah i dont really think it was a sex dream

[@clickykbd]

As the other person who wrote diatribe, I had to read yours. Interesting categorizations proposed. I've never tried to categorize mine except at that boundary between your "creating" and everything else. All my "creating" lucid dreams commence with falling/floating/flying... at that seems to be the trigger for the full awareness. Most of my sex dreams as an adult have only been because it was lucid already and I was like "let's go there!". lol

[@tubulguptaaa]

this is what dr. doofenshmirtz thinks about at night and you cannnot tell me otherwise

[@ka-im5lc]

i feel like you can definitely daydream inside of a dream the same way you would while awake. but consciousness is such a crazy concept to me regardless, so i don’t know honesty. love your work and videos like these 🖤

[@726json]

Dreams are messages from the deep

[@atoothlessdragon]

Today's video is brought to you by the letter "F".

[@katkopp4833]

like you said, our dream selves/worlds have an almost omnipotent knowledge which is important context.. although dreams can be silly and seemingly random they are deeply symbolic and often representative of what is happening in our subconscious. dreams are the realm of the unconscious and they communicate with us through symbolism because symbols are the language of the subconscious. with that being said, I do think there is a big difference between you imagining doing something in a dream vs actually doing the thing in the dream because they symbolically have completely different meanings. ive found that little distinctions like these can massively impact the interpretation of the meaning of the dream. doing a cartwheel in a dream vs imagining/thinking about doing a cartwheel will represent differing things. but maybe your question is more about the concept of the fact that being in a dream is already meta as it is and doing something in a dream isn't actually "doing" it so imagining doing something in a dream is basically the equivalent of doing something in a dream because they're both technically imagined, one is just one less layer of imagination than the other. but personally,,,,,,I would argue that I do think the distinction matters. because I think doing something vs thinking about doing something, in real life and in a dream, feels different. and I think if you had a dream that you did something it would have stirred up different emotions in you and potentially represented something whether you were aware of it or not. I think that you dreaming about thinking about doing something stirred up emotions in you that you wouldn't have experienced if you would have simply just done the thing in your dream. and I think doing something and thinking about something are symbolically very different in dreams. this of course is just my interpretation, take what resonates and leave the rest behind. always go with what you intuitively feel is right. edit: like in your dream, watching people have sex and then imagining yourself having sex with them is different then just having literal sex with them because there's that added layer of you not actually having sex with that person like you in your dream could have technically just zapped into having sex with that person because there's no rules in dreams but your subconscious decided to add that layer of imagining it to maybe represent something different (???)

[@bruisedkneesclub]

i could listen to u speak forever omg

[@austintopham9160]

I've had dreams like this, where I'm imagining doing something, and then before I know it, I've crossed the boundary and now find myself immersed within the new "imagination," which has become my new dream. But in these dreams I'm not aware and my brain rationalizes everything and it's not surprising. In lucid dreams, it becomes even weirder, because you can choose what to imagine and then step into the imagination. You can do this just by thinking hard enough about the new reality, or find a door and imagine the new reality behind it (this is easier). However, you must truly believe and feel in your heart that this is possible in order to do so. If you've ever seen the matrix, Neo must know in his bones that the matrix is not real before he can fly. If you don't believe it will work, it won't, and the door will just open into the other room. It's taught me a lot about the connection between belief and possibility in real life. If believe you can do something, you set yourself up for success, and if you don't believe in yourself, you set yourself up for failure.

[@KenWood3377]

What I really love about dreams is that they defy all notions of reality. They are floaty and basically impossible to pin down. It’s the human imagination/consciousness without the limits of reality. Dreams and the things that they make us feel/think/wonder tend to reflect the things we feel/think/wonder about during our day to day lives. So maybe this dream and the questions it raised has captured your attention for a particular reason as it is reflecting something your subconscious is trying to sort out. Maybe you just have a particularly strong imagination and your subconscious was musing about the limits of its hold on reality?

[@abbyrose.00]

i could literally listen to you talk for hours, your thoughts are so interesting. i'm invested in this topic now and will be thinking about it a lot.

[@p_the_bee]

Dreams are truly a vessel for the truth. I've been having "dreams" where certain events occur, and then I wake up and those same events occur in real life, throughout my day. This has been going on for some time now, and lately, I have been feeling the need to control my dreams less intensely. I just let them become a blur. If it has something important to say, then it will say it.

[@ninawalinski137]

i feel like that point of consciousness made me have a huge breakthrough and started lucid dreaming. the dreaming and waking world are both dimensions you have access to if you’re capable of mastering pressence and consciousness, being aware that you’re daydreaming will be a easier way to tap into lucid dreaming bc you’re somehow still in the waking world consciously

[@grace-g9f]

I AM SO LOCKED IN Y'ALL DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. Whatever you've got to say, preach meemaw! ♡ ♡ ♡

[@EthereanOriginal]

I think you have broached one of the most interesting subjects out there. This is all about going meta and contemplating the very dream of existence itself. If you deeply contemplate and meditate on this, you'll find that the only two differences between daydreaming - whether in a dream or in real life - and actually doing something are 1) the belief that this is your total reality and 2) the vividness of this reality. If your daydream is as vivid as it can get and you fully believe it is your bedrock reality, what is the difference between it and actual reality? In my opinion it all comes down to belief. But belief is highly supported by vividness and consistent rules within the dream world. Usually its very difficult to simulate reality down to a T in a dream world. If one could do this consistently, and for a long period of time without knowing they were even doing it, then they would likely be fully unaware that they were in a dream world. If, however, you introduce some wacky rules, physics, or narratives into your simulated dream world, it can be easier to tell that something is amiss and you would quickly figure out that you are in a dream world (but it might still be difficult to tell because you are typically less self-conscious in a dream world). The better and more convincing the narrative, however, the harder it will be able to tell you are in a dream world. In this way, the dreamer can get away with some wacky or whimsical dream world characteristics if those characteristics align with the rest of the story; i.e. if they have a good reason for being there. It all comes back down to belief. Worth noting is that I believe that belief and vividness reinforce each other. The more one believes in the dream world, the more vivid it becomes, and the easier it is to simulate effortlessly. To go meta, I believe this is what we are doing in real life, except in real life, the dreamer, being us in a higher dimension, happens to be the omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God - the dreamer of all dreams; the dreamer of the Universe itself. One final thought: I believe where we fall incredibly short when it comes to simulating daydreams as well as God is with simulating other dreamers - other people. This is what God is so good at because, when God dreams, God actually splits into infinitely many dreamers, whereas when we dream, we don't split at all, it's still just us doing the dreaming, alone. Which brings to mind why our dreams always end up being so wacky and nonsensical. Since we are weaving our own dream/storyline without the input of anyone else's, our dream wraps back onto us so that it perfectly caters to us, revealing the wacky strange-loop that is existence of the One and single I, the One Consciousness, the dreamer.

[@moonlightchild3262]

Everything you dream is you, it’s part of your mind making itself known to you. Once you realize this, it’s like getting a mental message from yourself about your unconscious reality.

[@connorpalansky6060]

hi Hayden and comment section! in the last few years my dreams have gone from being very dissociated - like a movie playing all around me where i am one of the characters (with no awareness really of what's going on, no emotion, no sense of touch, taste, smell, or even sound) to now being just as vivid as waking life! now every night i dream multiple self contained dreams with all five senses, recalling memories from my waking life, past dreams, or fictitious dream memories altogether. i find myself deliberating what to do and how i feel in these dreams, and more nights than not i realize i am dreaming while asleep. several weeks i had my first lucid dream where i could not control some aspect, whereas in the few lucid dreams i've had prior, upon realizing i am dreaming i may fully mold my dream so far as my visual imagination can take me. then i began to have dreams where i told those around me that i am dreaming, and to my great surprise those in my dream have told me that they are not figments of my mind but are also dreaming, from their different waking lives. in my first such dream those around me told me that while awake they are forest critters, trees, stones, and water, and another time a woman told me her identity to search up upon waking. i wasn't able to find anyone named "catherine keanns-' " who went to a school or college called "liverwell" and has lived in rhode island. i don't know why my dreams have become so much richer and more vivid but i know my waking mind has become less dissociated and more mindful during this time ;p have any of you had similar experiences?

[@ChromaGore]

dreams are messages from the deep

[@hagioajourn]

I’m not a dream expert. I only remember mine when they are either traumatic enough to get me out of my sleep, or if someone wakes me up from the appropriate phase. Which is luckily not that common. However, I do believe dreams are pure experience, that, in some certain ways, have as much legitimacy as reality. They can even affect us in way much more vigour and honesty. Dreams are made out of thought material, from the strange stew our brain is processing. I often rewind dreams, they hiccup themselves, some scenes would repeat themselves until they finally click and fit the next actions. Like a movie that we’d reshoot the scenes until they are finally suiting the director. Lucid dreaming is also a thing, but even apart from those abilities, somehow, our brain must try to make sense, have empathy (or cruelty) even with ourselves, like it’d do in real life. So I believe it does make sense does the diegesis and the point of view of your dreams changes, switching one into the others like matriochkas; trying to get the best out of the brain can. I sometimes remember (or at least what I understood from) what Descartes would say about our ability to doubt reality. To make everything flawed so it all could just be a lie; until the very point of questioning our own existence. Dreams are challenging our perceptions and suggest such kind of reflection. To me, dreams are real, in the same ways that we think throughout the day about random things, contemplate a weird shade of light throughout the window before sunset, hear some vaguely familiar music in a grocery store radio… They matter, because they affect us and are as tangible as some of our most legitimate thoughts in real life.

[@skittlecereal]

i think imagining doing something WHILE inside a dream is certainly different than just doing the thing in a dream! makes me think about what's different between something like how going for a walk in real life feels vs going for a walk in a dream. they both instill certain feelings that can feel very very similar; how the trees sound, how the air smells, what's underneath your feet, what you see along the way. but they'll always be separate levels of perception somehow. i love to think about dreams

[@closepin]

from my own experience, there is always a deeply personal meaning i can take away from a dream. Maybe this one could be to help you differentiate the planes of existence within your mind, the imaginative one vs the one you can enact with your physical body. I havent had any lucid dream experiences but this one rings on the cuff of a very explorative mental headspace. Lucid dreaming can be incredibly fulfilling to achieve real life goals via the mental plane. Its all practice to translate your inner language of feeling &symbology. It helps to think of the dream world just as real as the one we are materialized into, and your imagination just as physical as your fingers and toes. It really is the reality of the situation.

[@pcvsgrande4707]

there she goes again

[@newestsinatra]

I had a sleep study last year because I was experiencing sleep paralysis and extreme lucidity to the point of it bleeding into existential dread in my daily life. No therapist, psychiatrist, or doctor could understand. I feel like you do. Thanks for reminding me that I’m not actually alone

[@aldenmig5369]

Watching this at a gay club rn

[@culttocultur3]

having a conscious is a love hate relationship. you are god yet also your worst enemy. your a particle, a cell, a thread in the tapestry of life. simultaneously living everywhere, everything, in a harmonious storm of chaos. the spectrum of consciousness goes from that first person pov youre talking about, to daydreaming, dreaming, hallucinations, near death experiences, and afterlife. every version living in you all at once. echoing footsteps into the next. deja vu like having sand in ur mouth days after going to the beach. sometimes when i close my eyes i feel my past lives, the tone, the distant call to explore something, to do something greater then myself. layers of old memories coating me in armor, preparing me for whats behind the locked doors in my soul.

[@haeyou]

0 views in 18 seconds ethel fell off 😔🙏🏼

[@jahnavasibilla]

I feel like this separation felt is really showing how our brain makes such a distinction between thoughts and actions, even in a dreaming context, which is really interesting that our brains would be able to make that categorization of a dream versus reality even inside the dreamworld.

[@aurin804]

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[@neptunedominant]

Those are times where I feel like the un/conscious/subconscious collide - some line where self-essence and messages/symbology/meaning meet. The self perceiving the self within that "omnipotence" present in our dreams makes for a divide just strong enough to allow you to witness and interpret something you're naturally intuiting - in dreams where it doesn't happen perception feels more like untethered sensations and reactions from some floating point of view. Makes me think abt how we do rapidly forget most dreams for the sake of our waking memories anyways, so the dreams in which we're able to go so far as to mirror or rationalize in further solidify your conscience, allowing for it to be (at least in part) actually coherently remembered and calling for your interpretation of something significant enough to be brought into focus

[@asamoore6392]

The lucid dream I had when I was flying was real. When I woke up, and for the rest of the day afterward, the remnants of the experience haunted the brain and the memory was virtually indistinguishable from the aftermath of a strange day out in the waking world. I know you can’t trust your memories, but I remember flying over an iron gate and a green front lawn and a mansion like it was yesterday. Not to mention the melding of our collective consciousness with technology and how our interactions with technology appear in dreams, and how our existence in the digital world is a dream in and of itself and increasingly not all that different from the waking world. Who’s to say we’re not fully awake in our dreams. I take comfort in the knowledge that I can periodically inhabit this different reality when I don’t have nightmares.

[@BibliotecarioLuciano]

I don't know you personally but I can see through your eyes and I see that you are a person with a pure and generous soul. I wish you the best in your career as an artist and you already have a new subscriber. A hug from Argentina

[@bgjoje3745]

When you go in a dream state you use your dimension 4 consciousness to enter the astral realm. The different dimensions have different rates of particle pulsation, each getting faster and faster the higher you go (we live in a 15D Time matrix). Different timelines and reality fields have a difference in the angular rotation of the particle spin axis, thus 2 people in different times can coexist in the same space, but their electrons go through each other and they appear invisible to one another. When you imagine doing something in the waking world, you are doing it with another part of your anatomy that is less dense (our bodies exist on 12 dimensions, but our focus is stuck within the 3-3.5 D and we perceive as physical one dimension bellow so we are really seeing 2D. Using your mind, you direct your consciousness and a corresponding layer of your multidimensional anatomy. ) So, in a dream state, using your 4D mind to imagine doing something, you are doing it but in an even higher dimension.

[@davidgrimminck2040]

The difference is that your will becomes involved when doing something v. imagining something. No matter the context, your will is exerting itself and manifesting things. The saving grace for those with wandering minds is that your imagination is of marginally less consequence than the waking world.

[@xxsamlovexx]

I could talk about dreaming for hours. It’s so interesting. I love these answers

[@sanecircleofficial]

This is literally me telling all to my best friend, and at the end she says, "I understand," and that's just EVERYTHING! 😢