A Real Co-Driver Reads Me Pacenotes In DiRT Rally 2.0!

Real Driver and Co-Driver make pacenotes for DiRT Rally 2.0 using Discord and then go flat out over the stage!
Driver: Jon Armstrong
Co-Driver: Phil Hall
Time Stamps:
Tease: (0:00)
Intro: (0:05)
Making The Pacenotes: (0:45)
High Speed Run With Real Co-Driver: (2:41)
How To Do It Yourself: (7:20)
Outro: (7:53)

[@itzmrman3574]

Goverment: work from home Everyone: ok Rally drivers:

[@davidpoulsen2669]

I was about to comment this damn

[@dailydoseofsmoke.6717]

@@davidpoulsen2669 lol same

[@ATTE22]

Copycat

[@batu_cagan]

Nice one haha

[@kevinbintangb.1734]

Lol

[@izzuddinmnasir4884]

This is easy, try Samir's co-driver.....

[@not_herobrine3752]

"HARD, SHARP RIGhT!"

[@gingerbreadlittledread]

U are breaking the car

[@TY279545]

"Shaddap... don't tell me how to drive."

[@harzal6750]

The problem is NOT Samir's co drivers. The problem is Samir himself.

[@TY279545]

@@1mariomaniac lmao

[@Omahamaho]

I've tried this with my buddy, it's a lot of fun. We were flying on a track we've never played before, he had one little hiccup reading his notes and I flew off a cliff and did a barrel roll lol

[@supreme_gamingchannel5161]

Bro same here he didint mess up once tho He didint have paper hahahah

[@Le_Papa]

😂😂😂

[@twizl4]

I wish I had friends who knew anything about rally

[@ytrogue6751]

@@Omahamaho that was funny 😄

[@stronhold5924]

That's exactly what you want to hear from co-driver - "what the fuck does question mark mean" lmaooo

[@abramo7700]

Not very immersive because the codriver isn't jumping up and down and doesn't have a shitty microphone. Next time make him talk into cheap earbud microphone and tell him to jump up and down every now and then

[@asdfgidji879]

but him in a box or something and pay a homeless guy to come over and kick it while he reads

[@IINBII]

@ASDFGidji 😁😁😁😂😂.

[@S55_Marquise]

😂

[@bindodundid]

It's more impressive because he can't feel the turns, so he has to look up from his notes more often

[@lighter9611]

@@bindodundid 🤡

[@11alekon]

I have no idea what kind of voodoo your co-driver was speaking, but it was fun seeing you drive fast

[@leonl2356]

SAME

[@mynameisbewok3995]

SAME

[@aaronsloan6239]

SAME

[@jacobp679]

Same

[@rizingexpresso]

SAME

[@Forza77Samir]

Fun fact: he actually muted phil and listened to the in-game co-driver

[@ethantheonlyethan8737]

Wait

[@kuiper921]

my brain

[@therealjuralumin3416]

So he muted Phil and listened to Phil instead...?

[@temp-5492]

Wait

[@jackeyboy6538]

sigma male

[@bn880]

Yep not bad, just remember to have at least one TRIPLE CAUTION per stage for good luck. :)

[@marjoh669]

bn880 TRIPLE CAUTION STAY CENTER!!! LISTEN TO THE CALLS

[@ieurau-8583]

@@marjoh669 shut up yeah

[@nyanuar123]

Please listen to my calls

[@S55_Marquise]

Your breaking the car

[@azzz..6]

SAMIR YOURE BREAKING THE CAR

[@ImranAli619.]

Where’s the guy who puts the lyrics in the comments?

[@xtrjackson624]

If you want the "actual" lyrics on the paper it would be numbers, arrows and symbols

[@reixie]

@@xtrjackson624 i think its pretty to understand most of it, how hard or tight the turns, speeds, bumps, how long is the road, ect

[@reixie]

caution(normal, double or triple) shouldnt be any harder to understand, theres a chance of accident ahead

[@nikko9632]

Plus Plus haut 70 early left 1370 along flat.

[@AnakGabut]

Imagine Dad : *open door* " Are You Winning Son? " Co Driver : "Listen To Me Samir Medium Left" Samir : "Just Shut Up Already "

[@kamidesu6414]

Dont tell me how to drive

[@itzpete1689]

Shaddup

[@bens4043]

I think you've just invented a new mode for the next game! Even if Codemasters could provide the placement of audio clips of what note the player wants at each corner/obstacle. Great vid

[@Agret]

WRC 9 has just released and it has a co-driver co-op mode where another player can join as your co-driver.

[@Killerbeege]

knowing Codemasters this will be a paid DLC lol

[@DieToteHose93]

try Crew Chief V4 ;) it now supports rally games and acts as the co driver

[@mulki4058]

imagin bot driver, and you become the codriver reading with mic

[@artin13]

Just like the bomb defuse game

[@ricardoneto13]

The changes in voice tone and speed is what i miss the most on rally sims. The co-driver is always on monotone and it doesn't help to differentiate between a fast and technical section. Those changes in voice tone and speed dictating notes is very present in real life and it makes a huge difference. I was trying to keep up with these notes and it was way easy to know that a technical section was coming, while in DR2.0 we always get that "5 right---tightens to 2", just like any other "6 right - tightens to to 5" haha

[@bakersmileyface]

That's it! People often underestimate how the change in tone can decide the pace of the driver. If the codriver's speaking loud and fast, it usually means there's going to be a quick follow-up and you need to change gears. Low and slow, it means that you can put your foot down.

[@iyadkamhiyeh527]

you are absolutely right, I do not know how games studios miss such an important detail while recording voice notes

[@yourvenparianen5390]

It would be an enourmous amount of time and money to invest in voicelines with different tones based on the pacing . Some games tried to do it but for the most part , if there was an ai algorithm that could dynamically change pitch and tempo then maybe it could work

[@ricardoneto13]

@@yourvenparianen5390 yes, it needs to be AI otherwise it won’t work as it should

[@N3onDr1v3]

@@yourvenparianen5390 You could literally pitch and speed change the audio files used to construct the pacenotes based on the number and severity of the corners in the coming section. this is a negligable amount of development time compared to the game as a whole.

[@mfwfingerprintsareunrecogn172]

lmao imagine he loses connection and he goes full speed off a cliff

[@saltservice4024]

I can really appreciate the verbal pace of the co-driver watching this video. Baring in mind I know how much it takes to learn a track, from racing.. Listening to this co-driver and how well timed his words are is impressive, his tone of voice stays very precise no matter whether he's speaking slow or fast. Noted how his level of volume in his voice goes up the more important the turn - "Tightens... TIGHTens.... TIGHTENS" lmao.

[@S1nGuLariTY_]

Me who doesn't have a single clue what the co-driver saying: Interesting video.

[@lourenconobre8479]

All I could think was SAMIR YOU ARE BREAKING THE CAR SAMIR

[@livingthebest5]

Now this was something different to watch. This in the game would be a great feature to have.

[@evanmulligan6706]

It is in the game

[@HonkiePlonkie]

Sees video. Me and my brother trying: YOU'RE WREKKING THE CAR, OW NOO OW NOO WHAT ARE YOU DOING. YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME. YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR

[@yasinaygun4251]

triple caution Triple Caution TRIPLE CAUTION

[@lukasbeck4421]

Samir mode intensifies

[@danielwolfe4169]

Your lucky all my brother does is play roblox and among us

[@fryderykmikoajczak5960]

STAY CENTERR STAT CENTRERR

[@robotslug]

It's always humbling to see a professional in the zone.

[@Nox_Desiree]

I wish I was good at rally, I'm more of a track racer but rally does peak my interest.

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

TyrannicalTeapott you can get good at rally with more practice! 😬

[@mateigameruls.a.3321]

And a steering wheel apparently

[@patana256]

Pique*

[@Nox_Desiree]

@@patana256 I'm pretty sure pique and peak are interchangable or at the very least the meaning is the same.

[@patana256]

@@Nox_Desiree I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

[@bsrallyvideos6760]

Did anyone notice that as he came over the first crest the window cracked?😂

[@TheKenji2221]

I noticed the 2 cracks on the windshield and could only see that for the rest of the stage

[@apophisstr6719]

The car couldn't contain the awesomeness and window cracked under pressure.

[@fouzanium]

Small price to pay for the win

[@alicedad6171]

I watch alot of simracing on YT and I have to say this is one of the coolest concepts so far. I hope you guys do this more in the future! Next I would love to see some snowy stages from Sweden

[@wertawonka]

Always wondered how pace notes we done. So its like talking back to yourself... brilliant

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

Rossbotron 3000 I am speaking out loud the way I see the road and then the co-driver writes it down. Then on the second pass of recce the co-driver reads the notes back to me and we make refinements from there!

[@wertawonka]

God I'd love to do that in real life. Must be amazing

[@IroAppe]

@@JonArmstrongRallying While doing the high-speed run, your Co-driver almost never looked on the road. How can he get the timing right without seeing you progressing the course? Does he have some pauses where he tries to recognize, where you are? I would lose the position all the time, if I wouldn't look every 2 seconds.

[@IroAppe]

@GP2_Engine But the glances are only a fraction of a second and only twice a minute or so. I don't understand how he can then know, when the next corner is arriving and when he has to read which information.

[@azriefiqriey5080]

who else got this randomly recommended?

[@gigadonis8684]

Wait a minute.............. Thats me... In the pfp...

[@azriefiqriey5080]

@@gigadonis8684 cause i am you...

[@gigadonis8684]

@@azriefiqriey5080 But with my mouth open and tongue in an odd position (I tried recreating this face irl it's impossible)

[@azriefiqriey5080]

@@gigadonis8684 lmao ur not the only one 😂

[@ThePlwd]

YOU'RE BREAKING THE CAR SAMIRRR

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

Don’t tell me how to drive ! 😂

[@latedriver9019]

lol i just commented this and i started scrolling to see if anyone else did as well.

[@arteonyx]

@@latedriver9019 It's in literally every rally vid lol😂

[@K3BABB]

Awesome video idea!! 🔥🔥

[@Quazi-moto]

Hell's bells, I can't even think that fast, much less speak or listen at that speed while understanding enough of the commands to not wreck, wiping out a family of 47.

[@canalsimforce]

I've always wanted to try this with a friend! Unfortunately neither of us have real rally experience, so it would be just for laughs and not real practice like you were doing. But I wanna ask you how did you know the distances between corners and obstacles on your first pass? great great video!

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

The distances I am just doing by eye which isn’t ideal but there is no other way to do it in game. In real life we use a trip meter to measure the distances!

[@GeoJesse]

from my experience in the game, you can get a little bit of a ball park of how far something is just by eye. especially if you do a practice run like they did. that is one big difference in this and real life. if you know a straight line is coming up you can kind of just say short, medium, or long. don't really have to have the exact distances. when my co driver gives me a number, i generally will know how long it is without the number. you more or less can just translate "150" to "long" straightaway and know how you should handle it

[@Tushar_Talwar_09]

*samir has entered the chat*

[@MrDrobotor]

That was amazing! Your control over the car was so breathtaking, so I felt like I was there!

[@Apos19]

It must've been really hard to read the pace note since he cannot really feel that you have already go through the corner. Really cool!

[@philhall199]

Usually I sit so low in the car I can’t see over the dashboard anyway 😂 normally I read mostly by feel and can see the corners under braking. For this I’ve been practicing a lot to read from sight, and also listen for down shifts and engine lift off.

[@MrHaggyy]

This is truly impressive. Driving a Sim gives you at least the feedback on the wheel and pedals. But as a Co-Driver you can only relate on rythm, sound and visuals.

[@bass2092]

I find that in every rally video, the co-driver pace notes add SO MUCH immersion. It's like soundtrack to a movie, it adds the thrill and makes my heart jump. Without them, it looks like you're just watching a video.

[@spiexy9709]

I have zero idea what the hell this video is but for some reason I’m super interested

[@AshHobson]

That was pretty cool video - great effort on the idea and the production work!

[@FoxyBeastForReal]

Im into racing, im a WEC guy but rally is really also a part of my heart, and I have to say out of all motorsports there is no doubt, Rally drivers deserve the most respect as it is definetely the hardest discipline to learn and apply

[@donneh605]

The way he says all of the notes is so relaxing and idk why

[@wertawonka]

That is so sic!!! I hope we get a bigger array of co pilots in the next Dirt Rally. Just fuckin Ace!

[@rafadrath7481]

Great video, I would love to see this as a series. Idea for future videos - basic and advanced explanation for the proces behind creating pace notes for playing like this with a friend. Keep up the good work 👍

[@santiagomachado7378]

Ok, this is genuinely one of the coolest things I have seen during quarantine. This deserves an entire three-stage rally

[@InterstellarCloudd]

I don’t know anything about cars, it’s crazy to think how amazing how much coordination goes into this, from both parties.

[@sasquatch8923]

Hey brother--missed the stream this weekend :( son graduated high school. Love this video man. Looking forward to the next live stream.

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

Sasquatch congrats to your son bro! Glad you liked the video 😀👍🏻

[@JijiSoundProject]

THIS GUY REALLY PLAYING LIKE WHAT HE USED DO ON TRACK!!! hats off bruh very impressive seeing this kind of Dirt Rally playing

[@blackedelweiss601]

Cool video. It would have been interesting if you guys talked about the specific pacenotes system you used and showed the actually notes themselves.

[@FreddyGaming]

It's amazing to have such a detail in the notes it's another experience

[@xhappybunnyx]

It's really cool to see how the reader uses vocal inflection to sorta highlight the more dangerous sections

[@mauquack]

these dudes did the pacenotes run faster than i did normally

[@nickpang8897]

When a rally event can't be held, conducts an online rally

[@TheChill4u]

That was superb, good pacenotes and the driving, I really enjoy it! Good job guys!

[@heelandtoeknee]

That’s just awesome! 🥳💪 kudos to both of you but the co drivers accuracy is amazing! 🤩👏 like his rhythm a lot, that’s skill! 👍

[@beatbombbeatbox7573]

nobody: me and my dad on rally games:

[@OzzyM1998]

That is epic! Would honestly love to try get into rally somehow!

[@soundproductionandadvice]

That was great. Tried this a few years ago, it didn't end well. Good to see you do it. Cheers.

[@LogitechXibanga]

"If you want to do this just need a friend on another pc" My friend on other pc - "Crash in first corner" Me - " way ahead of ya!"

[@willychandra3368]

we need this become a rally world championship virtual

[@ryanhaller8896]

Really cool video. I've thought about this too, that it would fun to have to do recky (sp?) and pace notes with an actual co-driver.

[@SandyWhistle]

this is soo freaking cool, nice job both of you

[@vadimzubovich5537]

Now I see why I always end up out of top 1000 in all the online challenges in the game :) the REAL rally drivers are out there competing :) Well, ok, I'm not that bummed now that I know who beats me :)

[@callmejonte8713]

this is so impresive good driving bro!!!

[@wertawonka]

Would be cool if we could make our own pace notes and play them back through the stage. If we could mark the points on the course where we need them obs. (Ah.. dreaming i guess)

[@jsaundersmusic]

Would be perfect, I've had the game since launch and my memory still won't allow me to learn the stages with any precision... Just an outline if I'm lucky. Custom notes would finally put me on a level playing field

[@houmiss]

saw something called dirty pacenotes on racedepartment if you're still interested

[@CarlosGarcia-ze6rt]

There's a mod for assetto corsa that lets you do that exact thing. I've used It to compete on rally Championships and it works quite well. You have to do a slow pass for the program to do the recce, and then you can edit the notes to your liking

[@phils866]

A pleasant surprise coming across this. Hopefully it won't be too long before we see you out on the stages again, and we get a chance to take a few pics! ;-)

[@testikuskitestdrivr6012]

Vr Mp, real co-pilot next to you. That's where I envisioned this heading couple of years ago when Vr arrived. Good vid.

[@jodycleenwerck]

Jon can we get a feature like this in the next Dirt Rally plz, it will be really good for practicing and all the lot. Love the video bro👌 would be cool if you guys could do a live stream together

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

WCD MAD J56 There’s no real need to add anything, custom online has all the functionality you need along with discord! We could try to do a live stream for sure 😁

[@jodycleenwerck]

@@JonArmstrongRallying Yeah you're right there is enough functionality for it. The livestream would be really fun though

[@joemvr]

Oops, I was logged into my business account for that comment!

[@MikuFan3931]

That’s what i call teamwork guys. 👍🏻🏎

[@brentmatthewc.hipolito4358]

Damn I just got here from that "Samir" video and seeing you guys in action is just mindblowing. Rally races are serious business.

[@michaelshepherd877]

Awesome! I would have loved an ingame replay of that run!

[@therealjuralumin3416]

left 13++? Max right? These are some crazy pace notes! It's always interesting to hear pace notes other than the usual 6 to 1 and classic style. I think I heard somehwere that Seb Loeb uses the degree of the corner!

[@jackfrost7389]

Co driver working at any restaurant: *Now will that complete your order?*

[@Dr4g0nW00d]

The intonation in his voice is spot on

[@mikehoncho2640]

Next up: Driving rally in real life with VR headset

[@icykickflip]

I had no idea they did a drive to establish pace notes I honestly thought all co drivers were given the same notes and it's their job to keep in sync

[@bleyse1916]

They'd need a co-co-driver to make sure the co-driver doesn't get lost if they're all just given standard notes 😂

[@Lvc1f3r01]

Depends on the rally, if you’re talking about irl then depending on what it is, co-drivers use either a road book or pacenotes (may be called something different as I am referencing ARC) road book is prewritten while pacenotes are written by the co-driver themselves

[@icykickflip]

@@bleyse1916 I thought that was the skill of the co driver to know where they are in the course

[@bleyse1916]

@@icykickflip Co-Drivers/Teams make their pace notes in the recce, which is like a pre-race shakedown of the course. Each team or co-driver might have their own system of taking notes and communicating it. Some might use numbers or notations for example. The skill involved is keeping the notes concise, making the notes accurate to the stage, keeping it accurate to where they are and delivering it to the driver in a timely manner.

[@findmi2708]

Idk why this is recommended but man, this is so awesome

[@SimUKReviews]

Great vid! You know you can do this for real in WRC 9! Can't wait :-)

[@willi1014]

What a time to be alive, when even Rally Driver can work from Home.

[@harithainsworth1288]

Wow~ guess co-driver work is NOT very ez, respect

[@manmystery8804]

Dang sick rally simulator setup bro! Even have the Co-Driver features!

[@smigot06]

idk why but i love how he emphasises the words

[@Harvles93]

Was not expecting that Norn Irish accent hahahahaha

[@nicholassucre4834]

I don't know anything about rally, I don't own the game or watch the sport, but this video was fun

[@TECHnoman753]

Wow that was awesome teamwork great job both of you

[@carlmarcus6850]

He sounds so chill that's nice

[@MarioJBGugisch]

have you never played the stage before? if so, how much did you remember, and do you think it affected your driving?

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

MarioJBG I tried to pick a stage I didn’t remember as much, but I know all of them to some degree. Next time we will do a longer stage and maybe something I haven’t done as much. Notes are all about giving you a rhythm and I thought this worked really well!

[@RastaEugen]

@@JonArmstrongRallying Maybe you could use Dirt 4's generated stages for this.

[@darkketchup8883]

im happy woth google drive.. “turn left into 14street..”

[@casualgamer1662]

Absolutely amazing video ♥️♥️

[@NewfieMan98]

This was so fucking impressive. I was out of breath just listening to those pace notes.

[@L4ockeN]

You should do this on a stage that you have never done

[@oddlessTV]

Another way that also has no LAG is to stream your screen via discord, would also mean your co drives computer can be a potato

[@newmoonvampire2597]

I Aprreciate ur Hardwork For gameplay . Respect u Proud be A gamer

[@shysteen3645]

Just started getting into Dirt Rally and car sims in general and this video is blowing my mind

[@yazidgaming1161]

2:41 see the man in the back 🤣

[@Insertsmth]

Where?

[@Phantom5611]

Wow, first time I have heard of Loeb's pace note system in english (granted I only watch WRC occastionally and I know Elfyn Evans uses some weird 1-9 system). His pace note system definitely changed the game and contributed to his success. Afterall drivers before him all have relatively simple pace notes and I can't imagine a top rally driver today using McRae's simple 6-1 system. I hope future rally games stop using the 6-1 system, its pretty outdated imo and I would love to try Loeb's system in sim rallying. Also totally unrelated: Since you have a close connection with thrustmaster, maybe you can convince them to make a wheel with push and pull paddle just like those found in real wrc cars :D. I know its highly unlikely that they will do something for such a niche market but it would be pretty awesome if they somehow did :D

[@JonArmstrongRallying]

Thanks for your comment! The French system is definitely niche in English drivers but I love it. Elfyns system is similar but just turned upside down. I have asked Thrustmaster to make a flappy paddle wheel on a few occasions but still not sure if they will do it 😃 would be awesome!

[@gman16478]

Where can I read up on this? I know McRae's system, and the weird one from RBR (though I never use it), but this sounded like McRae's but instead of 6-1 it's 16-11. In WRC 8 you can use 9-1, but I'm 1) bad at driving and 2) keep things simple so I use McRae's system.

[@sushislicer3742]

sick video man. lots of respect for rally

[@TheChadd1738]

That was freaking amazeballs gr8 job yall

[@user-cy5ul5wj9c]

this was flawless! amazing!

[@yunkamisato6614]

brooo this is epic! I've never clearly hear what Co driver say in Rally race😍

[@TKDmasterX]

I've only just seen this video, randomly clicked on it and turns out the Co-driver is a guy I used to work with at a country park in Nottinghamshire. Small world

[@ahmadimannudin2383]

Amazing co-driver👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@diegopereyra5513]

Very very good job, congratulations 👏👏👏

[@neilmacdonaldfilm]

Great stuff very interesting, to see how it is done.

[@ar-18family26]

"Triple caution keep center" "DOUBLE CAUTION JUMP DOUBLE CATION JUMP" this video making me remember about thats word

[@tristencaldwell744]

Year old vid so just a kinda sorta maybe a bit late comment but.....that was actually badass just with the immerse feeling you guys give. Just got into Dirt 2.0 I've played the hell outta Dirt 4 and definitely have the same love for Dirt 2.0 it's got me cause I love racing games but this is a way more realistic take on the games. I love arcade types but these just hit different. New Sub now bro 👊

[@tiestin12]

men u have another level in this game, i dont see another player like u. cheers