ABC News' "Nightline" spoke to cake artist Jack Phillips and married couple Charles Craig and Dave Mullins last week, before the Supreme Court's ruling Monday in Phillips' favor.
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@veerchasm16 жыл бұрын
Leave this man alone. You don’t like the customer service go to a different store
@The_Legend_Himself6 жыл бұрын
veerchasm1 here’s the problem he’s a public service he doesn’t have a right to refuse someone service for an unjustifiable reason. Edit: I take back what I said more than a year later I was wrong the baker had every right to deny service.
@yojeffrow55056 жыл бұрын
This is my thinking: He has a right to be a bigot, yes. And if he wants the bad PR, that's his decision. That being said, I think weddings aren't just religious ceremonies. They're legal too. Furthermore, if two Jewish people came to his shop would he still bake a cake for them?
@theshaunsta6 жыл бұрын
The Legend Himself no hes a private company. It would be a public service if he was part of a government organisation
@theshaunsta6 жыл бұрын
Jeff DeWitt if they align with his beliefs i think he would. In this case if they were a Jewish man and woman
@dustin35966 жыл бұрын
+The Legend Himself yes he can, you can't force someone else to provide you a service
@PHOTOGRAPHYBYDEREK16 жыл бұрын
Oh for cryin' out loud, just go to another bakery.
@Sir_Kotsos6 жыл бұрын
Derek Hansin They dont want other bakerys they want this one becouse its a Christian one
@ilikefood80755 жыл бұрын
The shouldn’t have to tho.
@brucecampbell45285 жыл бұрын
Eurovision Fan tv that's bullshit, grow up. Stop throwing a fit and go somewhere else.
@ilikefood80755 жыл бұрын
justin holmes what if a black person wanting a cake and he denied a black person the cake because of his religion it is not okay he should just bake the cake god doesn’t hate anyone
@brucecampbell45285 жыл бұрын
Eurovision Fan tv but that wasn't the issue, those are two separate issues.
@derryckmatthewsee57923 жыл бұрын
If you can hold your wedding in Massachusetts because Colorado does not recognize same-sex marriage, you can find another baker to bake your cake.
@moniluv79747 күн бұрын
perfectly said !
@shicc7924 жыл бұрын
I'm on the bakers side on this one.
@scottcorbett24463 жыл бұрын
Me too
@scottcorbett24463 жыл бұрын
@@ryt25 Well, if it's your own business, go ahead and forbid Christians if you want to run it that way, you're right it's your choice since you own the place. I'm a Christian and I would simply go to another shop.
@captainwax68563 жыл бұрын
Same
@88feji3 жыл бұрын
In the same way you cannot force a racist person to be dishonest about their racist attitudes ... yes I do support the baker ...
@asecrettohide90963 жыл бұрын
Yes I understand but...... Everyone will still hate you...even me 😚🙃🙂🤗☺️😂
@kiddrang68955 жыл бұрын
His bakery ... his decision
@MT-qw3ou5 жыл бұрын
Apparently the baker has no decision - the state commission decided for him which ended closing his wedding cake line. On the other hand the SC decided to rule for the this baker. As for other business owner, be careful not to deny service to anyone.
@bboyfocus125 жыл бұрын
+M Tabin yeah ..you own a store.. two scumbags come in.. you know they will cause trouble most likely.. but you cant deny them right
@mranderson32775 жыл бұрын
"My bakery... my choice", alot better than "my body... my choice".
@austin70375 жыл бұрын
The saying "my body my choice" forgets to take the body and choice of the fetus into consideration though.
@dragonboo66445 жыл бұрын
Same logic as refusing to bake for someone because they're black
@Inquiringsoberly5 жыл бұрын
The most overused word “bigot “ just bc someone doesn’t agree with you ...
@greysonG105 жыл бұрын
The fuck is a bigot anyway? Like what's it even mean.
@GARINGER5 жыл бұрын
@@greysonG10 "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." Nowadays people put the "bigot" label on others who don't agree with them on controversial topics. An example would be not agreeing with / not supporting LGBTQASDFASDFASDF+
@theneverone5 жыл бұрын
cameron crayton I think not agreeing with someone's existence or rights is plenty bigoted so the baker is a bigot. He can pretend and say " ohhh I'm so niceeee to gay people " but do you really think he voted for gay rights?
@GARINGER5 жыл бұрын
@@theneverone Not supporting something you don't believe in/agree with is not the same as being intolerant. I think the baker is more worried about being allowed to run his business in alignment with his religious beliefs rather than fighting against the gay couple and their rights.
@theneverone5 жыл бұрын
Jackson G But his religious beliefs are harmful
@jones53924 жыл бұрын
“He may have won the battle, but he didn’t win the war”, umm I think he won both.
@thunderbird19214 жыл бұрын
See, that's what's disgusting. They feel this gives them the right to essentially declare war on a fellow American. It's like that line in Animal Farm: All are equal, but some are more equal than others.
@jones53923 жыл бұрын
@Internet Batman I do believe to this day his business is thriving, you saw how many people came to support him after the fact. “Disgusting bigot” seems to fit you best, because you think you’re so entitled that you “HAVE” to be served so much that you will go to court to force him to serve you, that’s fascism and bigotry.
@jones53923 жыл бұрын
@Internet Batman I have a very broad vocabulary kid. And you quite literally fit both definitions of fascism and bigotry... You’re refusal to acknowledge that is ignorant. His business is thriving because private donors have helped him with legal fees that the couple brought onto him. “Run a business is to constantly chase business away”, he wasn’t chasing them away he wanted them that’s why he offered them many alternatives, and he never did this once before so it’s clearly the couples problem, not his problem. In America we have the freedom of religion and if you’re saying that he should change his religion just because you don’t like its values is indeed fascism. “You looked like an unhinged snowflake”, says the one who is defending people who are crying about a damn cake. I mean really it’s a cake yet you’re going to bring this to COURT??!! That’s completely irrational and ridiculous. The world doesn’t evolve around you, so just because something doesn’t work out, that doesn’t mean you can throw a fit. EDIT: You say baking is the “gayest” form of cooking, that’s very derogatory, so it seems as if you’re fighting against a brick wall.
@jones53923 жыл бұрын
@Internet Batman Its not discrimination if you’re given alternatives, not to mention it’s his business, it’s his workplace, if you don’t like it leave, go somewhere else, find another baker, make your own cake. And if it’s okay to refuse someone service because they aren’t wearing a mask, why is it bad to give someone alternatives if they ask for something you’re uncomfortable with. It makes no sense but that’s the direction we’re heading into. If Amazon refused me service I would look for a small business who offers the same services... not bitch and cry about something as stupid as a cake. I’ve never watched Food Network, so you’d have to provide me with something where they openly express baking to be the “gayest form of cooking”. Once again the world doesn’t revolve around YOU, so if you feel hurt don’t make it another persons problem.
@jones53923 жыл бұрын
@Internet Batman Oh you’re right “ Oh no I can’t get a cake but I can get brownies” Boom discrimination. That’s makes no literal sense whatsoever.
@No-hj3nl4 жыл бұрын
“i BrOkE dOwN aNd StArTeD cRyInG [because I got denied a cake]” that pretty much sums up the mentality of today’s society
@andromedaputraharyanto54204 жыл бұрын
Yeah that guy lack testosterone
@raymondaninipot29944 жыл бұрын
I must agree with you.
@nickplatin96934 жыл бұрын
sad to be gay cuz people like that
@voicelessglottalfricative65674 жыл бұрын
@@andromedaputraharyanto5420 well hes gay... sooo obviously
@arumaru34333 жыл бұрын
Booo hooooooooooo! Stop whining about it and move on you snowflake! You libtards have ruined America! Back in my day we owned slaves, but everyone just had to ruin it with their "civil war"
@MarshalLawTV5 жыл бұрын
If you replaced Christian with Muslim this story would of never aired.
@maroonhorizon16935 жыл бұрын
Captain Gaming why not
@robbiesharp77515 жыл бұрын
Maroon Horizon because this country’s liberals are Muslim sympathisers
@johnw89845 жыл бұрын
Captain Gaming Corey would have put rocks in the cake
@ThunderAppeal5 жыл бұрын
Youre a moron...but because your grammar sucks
@traveller4035 жыл бұрын
Captain Gaming thank you 🙏🏻
@cubzrulz6 жыл бұрын
He offered to sell them anything else, he didn't refuse service period.
@radon3605 жыл бұрын
Sadly, one has to wonder if the outcome would have been better if he had said flatly, "please get out of my store" without giving any reason.
@GonzoTehGreat5 жыл бұрын
Way to miss the point...
@pussiriffic5 жыл бұрын
They didn’t go in for anything else, they went in for a wedding cake. He denied them service of buying a wedding cake because they were a same sex couple, that’s discrimination. But honestly if I were them, I just would have gone to another cake maker, wouldn’t want to give homophobe my money anyway.
@np42315 жыл бұрын
jfsfrnd Nope, privately owned business. And I went there and he wouldn’t even make Halloween cakes because he disagreed. This proves that he was going off of his religious and moral beliefs. Not because he wanted to discriminate them.
@alamochanel13295 жыл бұрын
Noel López yes he did he wasn’t out of cakes or didn’t have the ability to make more he literally said no
@o_o13174 жыл бұрын
they tarnished his bakery, that shows more about their character than anything. honestly disgusting and sad, i hope his bakery can recover
@o_o13173 жыл бұрын
Robert Lynch It’s an independent bakery owned by him. While he denied the service of making a wedding cake (a longer, more time consuming process) for them, he did not say he wouldn’t serve them other things. “maybe he shouldn’t have signed up to be a baker” that is his right and his passion and he is holding to his beliefs. I believe he handled the situation as well as he could. smh
@Christopher-D3 жыл бұрын
The bakery's tarnished reputation is the direct result of the baker's actions. When he made the decision to deny service on the basis of sexuality, he should've recognized that there would be social consequences, as society generally accepts same-sex marriage nowadays. It may be within his right to deny service to anyone, but the couple also have the right to describe the discrimination to the public.
@spidermonkeynuts38513 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher-D Thai was in 2012 and it still wasn’t very accepted then. It wasn’t even legal everywhere yet. Those two guys just shouldn’t have been little pussys about it and just went somewhere else
@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr3 жыл бұрын
@@spidermonkeynuts3851 You Clearly don't understand how business works I've taken business courses and his downfall was inevitable. Business is brutal, competition is everywhere and sites to rate businesses existed then. During that time gay marriage was on a rise and any smart business owner would have taken the opportunity to serve theses men in order to gain more recognition and more customers regardless of belief. His decision was gonna cripple his business whether he liked it or not because people talk, the word would have spread and the business would have been viewed negatively in society. A smart business owner would set their beliefs and political views aside in order to appeal to the masses and to keep their business open as well as make profit, the more people they please the better regardless of how they feel about it.
@KalashVodka1752 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr A smart business owner would have recognized that serving the gay couple would probably be more benefitial in the long term. But it doesn't mean he would have done so if he also had principles whom he'd put above financial interests. Small businesses aren't exactly the same as Tesco or Wallmart, they aren't fully driven by profit, in the case of a bakery especially, bakers often work out of passion rather than a wish for financial gain.
@haileejacob19954 жыл бұрын
So...he respectfully denied them a cake but offered them cookies, brownies, anything else. Didn’t say anything derogatory about them being a gay couple, just said he wouldn’t create the cake for the wedding...I’m really not seeing where this had to become a federal case...a simple “Oh, that’s disappointing. Thank you for your time.” Would’ve sufficed. Baker was respectful which is exactly how a good Christian man would be...
@sr2291 Жыл бұрын
They needed a Custom Wedding Cake for their wedding reception not cookies or brownies.
@Quinntus79 Жыл бұрын
@@sr2291 They could have found another shop willing to make a wedding cake. Expression is not something that should be compelled. It violates the First Amendment.
@sr2291 Жыл бұрын
@Quinntus79 Define "expression". That's the problem. Churches were invented for religious people to worship in. They don't need to worship at work. They need to do their jobs like everyone else has to.
@harambejr.47116 жыл бұрын
*On a serious note though, this guy is a talented baker. 🎂*
@TarantulamanNC6 жыл бұрын
Harambe Jr. He truly is
@subswithnovideos-tn2eb6 жыл бұрын
sethc18769 and they ruined this guys life he lost 40 perceng of his profit as hs said and he has gotten death threats.
@h00pladeeznuts816 жыл бұрын
He is truly amazing at its perfection, it make me sad how lgbt people always ruin other people's dreams
@asdharleychuck1236 жыл бұрын
Cakes can't be gay but they can have a gay theme cake. Also, the baker while talented should be forced to provide the same level of service and same type of service as he would to a straight couple to a homosexual couple. Now, if he does not want to make a gay themed wedding cake he should not have to.
@asdharleychuck1236 жыл бұрын
jfsfrnd no he should not be forced to design a cake in a certain manor or incorporate a certain theme. I stated so earlier. Just because a wedding is celebrating the union of two homosexuals does not mean the wedding cake is going to have a homosexual theme to it.
@iantempleton3135 жыл бұрын
All they had to do was go somewhere else! Drama queens.
@mayattv49865 жыл бұрын
Kings**
@marcuslea68215 жыл бұрын
Louie Salvador they both want to eat that dick, they’re drama QUEENS
@PatrickBateman_PlaysFortnite5 жыл бұрын
@@marcuslea6821 LMAO
@NotGahruvey5 жыл бұрын
Well when men are acting like women what did you expect lol. They should’ve went somewhere else there are plenty of gay bakers.
@soniaperez16315 жыл бұрын
Yeah no that’s discrimination at its worst . It’s disgusting that this still goes on . Humanity is so disappointing .
@marclopez66593 жыл бұрын
3:42 “we wrote just a small modest post that said: hey, we were discriminated against this cake shop”. No, that is no true, they did not just wrote a small note on discrimination, they clearly urged hatred demonstrations against the baker, as much so that they provided the picture and information and asked people to send (not exactly friendly) e-mails to the baker. That was inciting people against the baker, no matter which way we want to see their action. They were not the victims, they were vengeful and hateful people who got their way by having the baker receiving death threats. I am glad the baker got back his business and we all got confirmed our rights to create what we want and what we believe in. NOBODY should be forced to create something that they disagree on, whatever the reason that be.
@teamtundra26192 жыл бұрын
There are no religious beliefs here
@merericaac Жыл бұрын
@@teamtundra2619 in the gay ppl, of course not
@IrishAnnie Жыл бұрын
Bullies!!!!
@KeilyShhh Жыл бұрын
lol oh wow... spare me honey.
@jkroiss4 жыл бұрын
It's the dumbest argument ever. Businesses refuse business to people all the time for other reasons
@remix4098 Жыл бұрын
Other reasons such as what?
@EduardoCruz-ou9nn6 жыл бұрын
From a gay man, this gay couple should've respected this religous mans rights. Just like he respected their ways of being. I sometimes don't understand how we in the community sometimes don't think to respect others people's beliefs when that is all we ask. This makes the couple look like hypocrites, honestly.
@TrollyMan9286 жыл бұрын
dandagod official that’s not how it works, religious freedom only goes as long as it isn’t violating the law. What they private business is doing here is not violating the law, however, your terroristic idea of a religion would be. It scares me that Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor both voted in favor of the couple, this is a black and white constitutionality case.
@lizrod91836 жыл бұрын
dandagod official your really a stupid person damn maybe you should just move to a different country
@lizrod91836 жыл бұрын
dandagod official someone please make this guy stfu
@lizrod91836 жыл бұрын
Joey Jeffries I think he is
@lizrod91836 жыл бұрын
dandagod official what like you?!!!
@FizzWizardHD6 жыл бұрын
What happened to "we are legally allowed to refuse service to anyone"
@trolljones43866 жыл бұрын
That went out the window back during the Civil rights era when it turns out you actually cannot refuse service to anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or sex.
@tx21286 жыл бұрын
tanner peatson nemo me impune lacessit
@robronsuggle68976 жыл бұрын
You can't legally refuse someone for their race, religion or sex and in Colorado you can't do it to people who are gay
@tx21286 жыл бұрын
Tanner Peatson what are you mad about tanner
@tx21286 жыл бұрын
Tanner Peatson you got some problems dude, beyond your syntax and construction of a sentence.
@victoryvictory82464 жыл бұрын
I love this man, stand up for his faith
@KBCards4 жыл бұрын
I’ve met him before he seems to stand up for what he believes even when it’s looked down in. Nice dude too.
@ryt253 жыл бұрын
victory victory i do in my boutiqe! i don’t allow christians my products
@sudeepjoseph693 жыл бұрын
@@ryt25 You can't deny someone product just because they are Christian. Maybe if they asked you to make a product for their church or Christian event, sure you could deny that. But if they just want product, you can't deny it because of their religion
@oldmanjenkins92302 жыл бұрын
@@sudeepjoseph69 its a private business
@sudeepjoseph692 жыл бұрын
@@oldmanjenkins9230 That doesn’t matter. You can’t discriminate based on race, religion, ethnicity, or sex
@blizzardgam3s2064 жыл бұрын
If I ever go to Colorado, I’ll make sure to support this local business.
@zacherycuello89963 жыл бұрын
Facts
@hamidmehrdad58053 жыл бұрын
Me too. If only I'd known about this place when I last went up there
@breastfeeder48563 жыл бұрын
Same
@lemmyhead85783 жыл бұрын
He lost a court case recently. You should go read why.
@Jennifer-vp2ov3 жыл бұрын
Same
@Stephanie-bv3zm5 жыл бұрын
I wish I could stand up for that Baker. This is ridiculous.
@Stephanie-bv3zm5 жыл бұрын
Danielle Adair lmaoooo 😂 You’re the definition of ignorant.
@cyberkkult5 жыл бұрын
It’s sad how not a lot of people stood up for him
@enigma22975 жыл бұрын
Hes currently going through his third lawsuit. This time its a transgender cake. The state and some members of the lgbt are clearly harassing the man
@cyberkkult5 жыл бұрын
Jordan Lynch really?? Yeah wow they clearly have it out for him
@alecrosewell69595 жыл бұрын
@@enigma2297 this is harrassment.
@mattrc775 жыл бұрын
These guys act like they walked out of a bakery owned by the KKK.
@RobertJamesChinneryH5 жыл бұрын
Check
@truepatrician47005 жыл бұрын
@@arcturus4762 I would rather have harmless racists
@arcturus47625 жыл бұрын
Harmless racists are nothing compared to violent "anti-racists" who will put you in jail for staring at them for half a second
@marklara53285 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂 fr
@reems43255 жыл бұрын
Max77 you be discriminated and let’s see how you feel
@viperch254 жыл бұрын
these two guys went looking for a fight and lost.
@anthonyg91973 жыл бұрын
Thanks to them, Trump is banned on Twitter and Facebook though 🤣
@Leviathan762-zh4lq5 ай бұрын
@@anthonyg9197not anymore 😂
@israelmumpe16364 жыл бұрын
U guys are just extremely crazy.....its his faith, I would also do the same
@lanarhoades50415 жыл бұрын
So they want him to respect their sexuality but they can’t respect his faith Ahaha damn I started a huge argument😂😂😂
@charissahakes50355 жыл бұрын
Maclane Tane I like this
@nguyentrang3875 жыл бұрын
Ryan Richards i'm an atheist but your comment is very rude even to me. If transgenders have the right to BELIEVE they are what they claim to be, then this man also has the right to believe what he wants to. Since when the right to believe in something becomes so "cruel"?
@nguyentrang3875 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Richards I have never been taught or had enough close feeling to any religion to become its believer. But I don't hate religion. I just base on my common sense here, the baker didn't refuse to bake any other types of cake for the couple, just not a wedding cake. He also sincerely explained his reason. I mean he didn't be disrepectful or curse them. So the couple could have just gone to another bakery, they didn't have to go this far. If they felt offended, maybe just think differently? Just think that the reason he refused to serve comes from him, not from them and move to another bakery. He's the one who lost profit anyway. I have seen some owners refuse to serve customers with reason "I'm not in good mood" LOL
@tassythylacine80755 жыл бұрын
I’m not exactly sure who all y’all are but this fighting needs to stop. @RyanRichards just because you hate Christianity because it goes against what you think is right does not mean you need attack us. You can hate God’s rules all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that those rules are still there. Everything we do is a sin unless it is worshiping God because it is all vain. God gets to save who he wants whenever he wants so technically this gay couple could be saved in the end because are sins are all equal. Nevertheless tho this is our religion and if the gay couple can have the same rights to what they think is right then so do we. So could you plz stop telling us that we need to die and so does our religion. I didn’t mean to start a fight y’all so plz don’t attack me, I just don’t want y’all to keep fighting.
@tassythylacine80755 жыл бұрын
@Snached yea he seems like a perv. I’m rlly srry that he said those disgusting things to you!
@celesbianmegastar5 жыл бұрын
I’m bisexual and I support the Baker. Go to a different bakery. It would be one thing if he refused service entirely, but he was fine with birthday cakes or anything else - just not a wedding cake. Leave him alone.
@Sangwoo_oncrack5 жыл бұрын
I am also bi and i agree with you. It wasn't fair to the baker. The two guy shouldn't have taken it that far. There was honestly no need for all this drama. Just go to another baker, there are plenty of them out there who would happily oblige. The baker doesn't deserve all this hate. I feel bad for his small business that was destroyed because of this situation.
@carolinav64305 жыл бұрын
Bisexual !😲 poor soul
@celesbianmegastar5 жыл бұрын
Pasta Zi Bearlid He actually ended up fine after the trial thankfully because he was allowed to start selling wedding cakes again and choose who to make them for. :) But I agree. They made such a big deal out of it. Just go to a different baker! They really just needed everyone to accommodate their choice.
@will19055 жыл бұрын
Dan Shivers That’s very hypocritical to say because the lgbt will only defend people who are in the lgbt not everybody, do you realize that people all over the world gets discriminated every day and none of the lgbt makes any noise to defend them, where was the lgbt when 10 Christians were decapitated by isis simply for no denying God? where were the lgbt when many african american Christians woman , men even childrens were burned alive just for being Christian? Where were the lgbt when the Christian church were killed with a rifle? Where is the lgbt when schools discriminate childrens for being black, but when their was killings in a gay club in orlando that’s when the lgbt start showing support and protest.
@will19055 жыл бұрын
Dan Shivers lgbt community being around for many years what haven’t they done anything yet? I mean if you would start thinking in defending and stand up for everybody wouldn’t you start doing it after you thought about ? Even if you don’t want to accept it just face it that they did this just because he is a Christian that doesn’t support the lgbt because even you agree with me that people get discriminated everyday and they don’t do nothing about it.
@sunnyboi24613 жыл бұрын
Dude I'm LGBT and honestly I side with the baker because I don't wanna force someone to do something they don't wanna do and not for hateful reasons he's a nice person he just dosen't want to do it for deep religious beliefs and I wouldn't want someone to go against that for my benefit.
@scottcorbett24463 жыл бұрын
@Mason Koski Yes, thank you for being civilized. We as human beings have to know we can respect each other even though we disagree on things.
@KeilyShhh Жыл бұрын
Either you're just saying your queer to get attention or you actually are... either way, this is segregation... and the same laws that protect the baker also.... 1) Allow doctors to refuse medical care to LGBTQ+ people 2) Allow religious institutions to fire queer people just because of their orientation/identity 3) Protect religious based adoption agencies when they deny services to same sex couples while still demanding that those same people pay their salaries (as many are tax payer funded) ... I could go on and on and on. If you really are who you say you are, why would you want to protect religious privilege before protecting so many people's livelihoods?
@sunnyboi2461 Жыл бұрын
@@KeilyShhh No I'am Non-Binary and Pansexual, but it's actually not, and to break down what you said. You shouldn't be a doctor if you're not going to treat everyone, if religious institutions want to be hateful then the public will decide weather or not to take part with them, and religious based adoption agencies should frankly not exist. Anything that is taxpayer funded should 100% treat people equally regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. But here's the thing, if that baker was forced to make a cake that goes against his religious beliefs for an LGBTQ+ Couple, that would also samely apply to an LGBTQ+ Baker being forced to make a homophobic cake despite being Episcopalian or Unitarian Universalist or Presbyterian or some other LGBTQ+ accepting church and having those beliefs. The script can be flipped in a lot of unfortunate ways, and I know if I owned my own business I would not want to be forced to serve someone hateful, and I don't think this man should be told who we can or can't serve. Honestly I think business should be required to post that in the window so we know what kind of places we're spending our money at and weather or not they care about us or not. But no, must of what you mentioned, that can have an extremely valid argument for why that shouldn't be in place and doesn't "go against someones religious protections" cause it does harm the public overall, but this cake thing, it doesn't, and I think of how if he court hadn't sided with the baker, how this could be weaponized, and that's honestly more terrifying.
@KeilyShhh Жыл бұрын
@@sunnyboi2461 Okay, I'm sorry for accusing you of lying about your orientation and identity. And I do hear what you're saying and yes, there is nuance in this debate. But first of all, saying that it's wrong for doctors to deny care because to those they are prejudice against doesn't change the fact that it happens and that it's perfectly legal. It doesn't change the fact that people who need medical care are being forced to look elsewhere (sometimes even in emergency situations). And yes, faith-based child care services should not exist... That doesn't change the fact that they do exist and that reform needs to happen so that queer people don't have to pay for services that they are being denied. My big question/point is this: 1) I hear your point that concerns freedom of speech. One thing I would say though is that if someone denies services to one individual that they ALSO deny to EVERYONE ELSE, that is very different than denying services to someone that you DO provide to other people. For example, someone who bakes wedding cakes for straight couples but denies the exact same service to LGBQ+ folks. In the latter example, it's the queer individuals that are being denied services rather than the baker simply using their own discretion. 2) When the same laws that protect artists from denying services to us queer folks ALSO protects anyone who denies essential services/employment to us... can you tell me how you would neatly make it so that under absolutely NO circumstances are we denied services that will hurt our livelihoods? 3) And when businesses can post notes in their windows that tell queer people "You are not welcome here" or "Go somewhere where you are welcome"... that's segregation. It was segregation when it applied to people of color and is no different than when it's directed towards us. I'd quote MLK Jr. when he said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". I know it's just a freaking cake but there's more to it than just that.
@sunnyboi2461 Жыл бұрын
@@KeilyShhh there's obviously more to this then it just being a cake. And no kidding, it doesn't the change facts all those things currently exist, that's why I'm glad I live in California where those things thankfully don't exist and with my work in politics, work to elect people to help try and fix those problems in this country. And I'll be honest, personally, I sort of agree that any private business should have the ability to serve or not serve whomever they want too, I mean we protect hate speech in this country, and if people want to be racist or sexist or homophobic then air those feelings out to everyone so we know where too or not too spend our money. And to your question of how to make sure that those laws that might protect those things don't interfere with people being denied essential services or civil rights or anything of that nature. If your part of a company, that is getting any sort of funds from the government, then you should be required to have to follow anti-discrimination laws, and that includes any places with SBA Loans or Govt Subsidies or a Federal Contract. Like I'd feel that would be the only way to get any sort of version of The Equality Act passed and have some protections at least when it comes to public services and those kinds of things you talked about.
@Pacifica744 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy for the baker!! Go Christian soldier! God bless you.
@udhav4232 жыл бұрын
*bigot soldier
@hellohowareyou74952 жыл бұрын
@@udhav423 heretic
@ILoveLuhaidan2 жыл бұрын
Allah Akbar
@hellohowareyou74952 жыл бұрын
@@ILoveLuhaidan repent
@ILoveLuhaidan2 жыл бұрын
@@hellohowareyou7495 I am muslim, Jesus is the prophet of god
@punkyagogo6 жыл бұрын
Gay or not, those guys just seem like genuinely awful people. It's like they're just dripping with entitlement. I'm not even religious, but I'm glad the baker won; he appears to be a really sweet man. Honestly wishing the best for him from here on out.
@seanissofresh5 жыл бұрын
Punkyagogo yeah, they just seem like shit starters. They show the cake guy doing his thing...it's creating a painting on a cake. They show them doing their thing...their heads are in their computers and they are typing away furiously...like wtf? Are they just professional facebookers or something?
@kyjo726825 жыл бұрын
SquareRootOf2 Seeking justice in court is harassment? I don't personally think they have a valid case but you just seem like someone who likes to jail people just for being different. That's pretty lame..
@squarerootof25 жыл бұрын
It was them who started this campaign of harassment against this honest and helpless baker, tweeting about it, suing and arising hate against him. These people are POS that only care about themselves and their narcissism and their sexual desires imposed on other people. Of course I care when these disgusting activists try to impose their twisted worldview on others. I care a lot. Not about what they stick up their asses in private but about their hateful, fascist way to impose themselves on others, abusing the natural tolerance of honest people. There are plenty of "normal" gays that go about their business without bothering others. I don't mind about honest gays but gay activists should be dealt with like they do in Muslims countries, who are very tolerant and the religion of peace and Holy Qu'ran has humane treatment for them. Or are you one of those Slavic Islamophobes?
@squarerootof25 жыл бұрын
kyjo72682 Why should I look in the mirror? I'm not gay. You look in the mirror, Nazi islamophobe!
@tokoshie5 жыл бұрын
Punkyagogo That "sweet man" believes gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people (i.e marriage).
@Korok965 жыл бұрын
These gay guys are so rude. Look at what they did to this man all because of a cake.
@GA-ju7hf5 жыл бұрын
Well, really, it's all because they didn't get their way in a world/bubble that tells them how special they are.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
austin mattingly The baker made all the wrong choices. Don’t blame others for your own choices and their repercussions
@GA-ju7hf5 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 Your name says it all. How's the knifing over there? You fools banned guns now people are stabbing everyone. Up over 1000% and i'm sure you see it all over the news. Your area is so shite you need to worry about your own godless country.
@GA-ju7hf5 жыл бұрын
It's not even rude. It's entitled.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
G A says the man whose from a country where a mass shooting happens literally every week. Yes we have a knife problem, which is actually getting better due to new laws passed two weeks ago. Where as Donald Duck in the White House thinks it’s still too premature to talk about gun control. How many people need to die before Americans pull their fingers out of their asses and actually do something about it?!
@Natty102725 жыл бұрын
I'm with the business owner. He has the right to refuse service and he has a right to say his faith. The guys should have just toughened up and go to another bakery
@proudstripes5874 Жыл бұрын
We are Not Government workers that do and bake what they force to , we have religious freedom and free speech. God bless this man for staying strong in his faith.
@griffynmargetts7235 жыл бұрын
"A small modest post" *writes an entire post with store information and inciting people to take action against said store*
@AnoNymous-ph4cd5 жыл бұрын
lol yes that's what I thought
@ryomathelobsterlord25025 жыл бұрын
Just go to another bakery. It’s not that hard Crazy people smh
@lisahertel24155 жыл бұрын
Ryoma The Lobster Lord they wanted to stir up trouble
@africaisacontinent21495 жыл бұрын
They are so into them selves
@TheTrainedLamb5 жыл бұрын
Nowadays we gotta bend over for these people
@DerekWilliamsMusic5 жыл бұрын
Do you say that to an interrcial couple, if a baker doesn't approve of marriage between the races? Over 40 million Americans still believe God opposes miscegenation. And what if it's. one-horse town with only one bakery, and it's a 140 mile drive to the next, and THEY don't serve gays or blacks either?
@DerekWilliamsMusic5 жыл бұрын
@@africaisacontinent2149 For wanting fair and equal treatment? I hardly think so. The baker broke the law.
@SQUIDTUBE3 жыл бұрын
I am deeply concerned for the baker's safety. Leave the man alone. Forcing him to make a gay cake is also a discrimination against his faith.
@vixly61874 жыл бұрын
"5 years later that interaction still stings: I was mortified, I mean neither one of us had ever been treated this way before at a bisnuss" I can't behleve the let some softy who got their feelings hurt over a cake go all the way to supreme Court. Parrents, please raise your kids better.
@nccrchurchunusual7990 Жыл бұрын
Parents are being undermined on all sides- Society, public school, sports, peer pressure etc. Parents can do their best to provide, be involved & still lose the battle as the kids hear the "sirens" drawing them down a dark road. At the end of the day, kids choose to be & do, regardless of upbringing. I know this bc I was a foster kid for almost 8 yrs of childhood. I decided for myself what type of person I wanted to be- with the help of Almighy God.
@zizi5137 Жыл бұрын
How immature adults behave when they have been told no. A type of tantrum if you ask me. As a woman, I have seen females getting into witchcraft because they want their way. I pray to God for maturity in our earth.
@immunity2you6965 жыл бұрын
It's a private business. He has the right to do what he wants
@jsilva70054 жыл бұрын
It's a slippery slope. For example I support Jack's right to not make a wedding cake because that goes against his religious beliefs. But if he didn't want to make them lets say a birthday cake or anything else because they're gay I wouldn't support that. Do you think a business should be able to turn away black people just for being black or chinese people for being chinese? Just because it's a private business?
@immunity2you6964 жыл бұрын
@@jsilva7005 that my friend is the free market. He turns away someone for being black he will lose money because of the couple he turned away and the people the couple told. However he should have the right to do whatever he wants. It's in his interest to not turn them away. There is more then 1 cake business out there.
@kentellrobinson70944 жыл бұрын
@@jsilva7005 he didn't refuse service just a wedding cake you cant apply that to race
@ferzinhaN4 жыл бұрын
@@jsilva7005 Would any homosexual baker bake a cake with "homosexuality is a sin" ?
@magix41524 жыл бұрын
@@jsilva7005 should an Israeli baker be forced to make a cake to a Palestinian?
@the_Rossom16 жыл бұрын
3:07 “the bakery may have won the battle but not the war” honey this went to the Supreme Court that means it won the war lol
@robronsuggle68976 жыл бұрын
You need to watch the whole video. They only ruled on the court being hostile to the baker. They didn't say he could discriminate!
@charlesf62476 жыл бұрын
kleyton rossi wrong Christians are finally losing to gays the united states just legalized gay marriage across the united states. And Ireland legalized gay marriage gays 2 Christians 1 so who is losing the war
@the_Rossom16 жыл бұрын
Charles F well this “war” was about the freedom of religion beliefs... what you are talking about is something different. It’s a different war and honestly most people don’t care... the thing is to recognize the religious freedom that Christians have and don’t force us to do something that we believe is not right.
@charlesf62476 жыл бұрын
kleyton rossi first of the baker had absolutely no right to use his business as a platform to spread his hate based on his relgous beliefs and the supreme court failed to see that and it should have been 7-0 in favor of the gay couple as a message his business practice was unethical
@the_Rossom16 жыл бұрын
Charles F how was he spreading hate??? This man would’ve sold them cupcakes, brownies and etc. he just didn’t do cakes because it’s a form of art. His art is created for a man and a woman. Why don’t you guys get that?!? In the video, no form of hate was shown by him. Hate came from the LGBT people who were trying to force him to bake something that went against his religious belief. I’m surprised that people have yet to know that us Christians are against hate
@carolmk31143 жыл бұрын
As a Christian I have the atmost respect to the baker. He did not compromise his core fundamental beliefs for popularity and to fit into social norms.
@goranmilic442 Жыл бұрын
If a baker refuses to sell his cake for religious reasons to black couple because he thinks that black people shouldn't have any rights, would you be OK with that?
@uai610711 ай бұрын
@@goranmilic442What religion believes that
@goranmilic44211 ай бұрын
@@uai6107 Christians in 19th century Southern USA believed that. Maybe those beliefs weren't really aligned with what Bible actually said, but they generally believed that, based on the myth of Noah and his sons. Since their religious beliefs were that black people shouldn't have any rights, should they be allowed to refuse to sell a cake to black couple? Yes or no?
@uai610711 ай бұрын
@@goranmilic442 no
@uai610711 ай бұрын
@@goranmilic442 Christianity does not state the hatred of black people. So youre wrong
@lilianalopez22634 жыл бұрын
"creating a generic wedding cake" would be an issue because that would be like "separate but equal" service. The baker's choice to politely refuse was clearly the best option for everyone involved.
@NAME-yg8sl2 жыл бұрын
And he didn't say he wouldn't serve lgbtq people. He just says he wouldn't bake a cake celebrating their union. You wouldn't go into a muslim restraunt and order pork.
@jayarthur11645 жыл бұрын
Would you walk into a Jewish cake shop & expect them to make you a Jesus cake? Would walk into a Muslim cake shop & expect them to draw naked women on your cake? I wouldn't walk into an LGBT cake shop & expect them to make me something that goes against there beliefs. That's equality...
@girlnotoftheworld20085 жыл бұрын
Wondering if a gay bakery would make a Christian cake...
@jayarthur11645 жыл бұрын
@@girlnotoftheworld2008 I'm willing to bet many wouldn't have, but now that this happened some might change their mind to seem less bias
@holdencenczyk16975 жыл бұрын
*their
@johanna__42995 жыл бұрын
Equality is treating everyone equally, so a Jewish cake shop WOULD make a Jesus cake. A Muslim cake shop WOULD for whatever reason draw a woman on your cake. Those two religions both believe in being human. Being humans means you treat people kindly, fairly, and with respect (for the record so does Christianity).
@barbarafrombiblestudy51425 жыл бұрын
SLSLSKSKKSKSDBANDJJS JESUS WAS JEWISH IM SCREAMING BAHAHAHAH
@MyJbryant5 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist and I have 💯% respect for this guy standing up for his beliefs, convictions and principles.
@lancec70275 жыл бұрын
I'm also an atheist and I 100% agree with you. I am also okay with gay people getting married (honestly because I don't really give a shit what people do), so both people the right and the left give me shit. If this was a Muslim baker I would be saying the same thing. I am in support of everyone's right to believe whatever they want, I just do not want: 1. Laws based off of religion 2. Anyone's beliefs shoved down my kid's throat People need to lighten up...
@dwayneoneil6895 жыл бұрын
@@lancec7027 Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.
@dwayneoneil6895 жыл бұрын
Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.
@dwayneoneil6895 жыл бұрын
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
@lancec70275 жыл бұрын
@@dwayneoneil689 Quoting your religious book is not really making a point. Watch, I'll give an example: Luke 19:26-27 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Jesus sounded like a dick (but in the end, this is a book of fiction). Even though I was in support of this guy's (the baker) right to his beliefs (and everyone else's for that matter) you decide to push your faith on someone you don' know (and attempt to insult them by doing so). How "Christian" of you...
@Onetalld1984 Жыл бұрын
As a gay man myself I think it’s ridiculous to force someone’s hand to bake you a wedding cake if they don’t respect your choice of who you chose to marry. Don’t you want people in your wedding ceremony because they are happy for you? Both of you ? I would turn around and tell the baker: Fine, It’s you’re business’ loss then.
@subhojitdas264 Жыл бұрын
Do u also agree with jim crow
@authenticallysuperficial987411 ай бұрын
@subhojitdas264 jim crow was government-enforced discrimination, not government-permitted descrimination. They are worlds apart
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
Would you go in a hindu restaurant and demand beef ? Or a Muslim on and demand pork? Why should the Christian baker forced against his religion He was ready to serve them, was polite to them...... Just didn't agree to make a wedding cake because of what his religion says about it
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
@Quint Zed that's your opinion and that's completely fine..... But he should not be forced to abide by that
@gavinperry84333 жыл бұрын
@Quint Zed I understand it's your opinion
@LetsGoGetThem5 жыл бұрын
When u hear him talk and apologize to them when he can't do that, he sounds very nice. He doesn't refuse to be with them or talk to them because they are gay, it's purely because of the ceremonial value of a wedding.
@theQuestion6265 жыл бұрын
But he is not even factoring in it is THEIR wedding. Not his.
@will19055 жыл бұрын
theQuestion626 understand that by doing the cake for them he is being part of it, he helped with the wedding by doing that. Example is like if a person ask me money for beer and I give him money then i’m responsible on why that person bought beers.
@brandiebranch47275 жыл бұрын
theQuestion626 exactly, which is why he doesn’t have to be involved if he chooses not to.
@wiseguymotionpictures14165 жыл бұрын
That baker is gonna shit himself when he hears what Jesus had to say about capitalism.
@szaing40295 жыл бұрын
CAT DURGS “a wedding should be between a man and a woman” quote the bakery owner dude NO SHIT THEY WOULD CURSE BECAUSE HE JUST FUCKING GAVE THE A LESSON ABOUT HOW MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LIKE WHEN THEY DONT FIT INTO THE “REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE” so how would they not be offended they just wanted a cake
@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo10855 жыл бұрын
If GAYS aren't going to respect someone's religion then why should we respect them. Edit: I have homosexual friends, but they are very respectful and they would never go into a bakery, knowing the man was religion and force him to bake a cake.
@leesteal44585 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't respect them regardless.
@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo10855 жыл бұрын
Oh that's ok I don't judge unlike gays
@theneverone5 жыл бұрын
It'sMeHere Yo The use of religion to kill LGBT+ people is why we generally don't blindly respect religious beliefs. It is dangerous to let people going about hating us because one day I could be beaten on the street because I choose to wear my rainbow shirt on the wrong day. Your " beliefs " hurt people my refusal to respect religion blindly hurts no one.
@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo10855 жыл бұрын
Well if you're walking on a public street that is a different story if you're wearing that on my property then that's a different story
@theneverone5 жыл бұрын
It'sMeHere Yo So you are openly stating you would abuse someone for wearing a pride shirt provided they are on your property? Oh and don't try " it's my property and legally I can " If you beat up a 13 year old trying to get their basketball that accidentally rolled on your lawn If you abused a client you invited to your home If you shot your neighbor's dog for going on your lawn You know people would get furious with you. You are a bad person honestly
@robbob2873 жыл бұрын
I’m really thankful and happy brother Jack won!! Praise the Lord!! Blessings from Canada 🇨🇦
@JustCallMeElle4 жыл бұрын
How about forcing a vegan cook in their vegan restaurant to cook meat for you?
@melwin55745 жыл бұрын
This baker is way to sweet, the gay guy claimed he never ever had been treated this way as if someone beat him up because of his sexual orientation when in reality all the baker did was deny decorating the cake also apologizing them for the inconvenience and offering them other goods. I'm glad he won. These people disgust me.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Your local redhead feminist He didn’t apologise
@melwin55745 жыл бұрын
London Girl Yeah he did. He said multiple times that he was sorry
@g-rexsaurus7945 жыл бұрын
@@melwin5574 He didn't apologise because he doesn't need to, he just said that it's not like he's enjoying refusing to do cakes.
@DerekWilliamsMusic5 жыл бұрын
@Your local redhead feminist Over 42 million Americans (13% of total population) believe it's "always wrong" for two people of a different race to marry, many for religious reasons. Do you support a baker's right to bake wedding cakes for couples of the same race, but to refuse them to interracial couples?
@melwin55745 жыл бұрын
Derek Williams It’s his rights. I would serve anyone if I was a baker but I could see why he wouldn’t because of his religious beliefs. I think he should have he right to deny service to anyone as long as he has a valid reason for example religion.
@tg94795 жыл бұрын
Equal rights doesn't take the form of forcing a baker to make you a cake.
@harpsarp665 жыл бұрын
T G was it equality when businesses refused to serve African Americans? Was that fair? If we give the right for a business to deny service towards anyone, we give the right for all businesses to deny service to any group they choose.
@kimmiewise10445 жыл бұрын
Henry Sendra Yes...When said African Americans cause a disruption, they can be asked to leave. I’ve done it several times. It’s not my fault if your presence causes a disturbance. If you bring down my business, I’m kicking your ass out. If you stole my hat, I can kick you out of my store. If you decide to mock my religion by pretending to have a ceremony I find sacred, Well we all know where this headed.
@harpsarp665 жыл бұрын
kimmie Wise I was mentioning innocent people who just wanted to be served. It was completely unfair to not allow them service based on their skin tone. Also, gay people aren’t pretending to have marriage, they are legally getting married, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them from doing so other than blind violence.
@harpsarp665 жыл бұрын
Jane Doe I agree it’s harmful when anyone is mistreated when trying to be a patron of a restaurant or store, and I can sort of see where the baker is coming from with the wedding cake, it still doesn’t make much sense to me that we can allow an public shop to pick and choose which people are allowed to purchase which items. I also appreciate your civility in your replies to my comment. Thank you.
@frontwipes49225 жыл бұрын
Henry Sendra I believe a business has a right to refuse to anyone for any reason... just say nothing at all and don’t serve who you don’t want keep your mouth shut ask them to leave and move on avoid any problwms
@moonbeam27424 жыл бұрын
Thank God he won in the end. What a strong, courageous man. Hope he can put traditional wedding cakes back in business too, and never have a problem like that again.
@romaniangod56492 жыл бұрын
He is trash and must be shut down for good and canceled
@sr2291 Жыл бұрын
He did not win in the end. The Colorado Commission made disparaging comments about Jack and his religion so they threw the case out and made a narrow decision only for the baker and only for this one time.
@CristianSanchez-cd4jp4 жыл бұрын
It’s his business he can run it the way he wants and I agree with him.
@danjoto73596 жыл бұрын
The baker had every right doing that.
@michaelquartermain95106 жыл бұрын
The Baker was the victim not the villain! The fact that Colorado took a way his first amendment right is really sad and concerning.
@legion39645 жыл бұрын
It’s his business
@stormerz12375 жыл бұрын
@jfsfrnd the gay couple could just go to another store... but no!!! They play the victim card instead... shitty bitches... fuck the SJW's as well... sending death threat wont make u look good idiots... yeah, its not just a cake, for both sides, the baker made those cakes as arts, religious expressions related... if they want to make such statement, look at both sides... bunch of snowflakes...😒
@nathaniel2874 Жыл бұрын
@@legion3964 yes I agree
@sr2291 Жыл бұрын
@legion396 Yes but his business is regulated by Colorado law.
@nathaniel2874 Жыл бұрын
@@sr2291 so what
@togatrish Жыл бұрын
I am definitely in support of the baker... and reading the comments I'm so happy that most of us agree that forcing someone to go against their religious beliefs for our own benefit is quite hypocritical. I hope the Baker gets back to making wedding cakes again.
@jacobeyres87784 жыл бұрын
Why should someone's right to buy a cake trump someone's right to freedom of religion? Its hypocritical to say its discrimination of your sexuality, when you're discriminating based on the bakers religion. There are dozens of bakers to choose from, it wouldn't have taken much to say 'That's a shame, but we respect your rights. We will go somewhere else' As a right leaning libertarian, if you want to have a same-sex marriage fine, that's your right. But you can't go into a church/mosque/synagogue/bakery/florist and force them to hold or be involved in the ceremony, in the same way as a Christian/Muslim/Jew can't force you to go to their religious ceremony Tolerance works both ways. If you want people to be tolerant of how you live your life, you need to be tolerant of how others live their life, whether you agree with their decisions or not, thats just basic human respect
@JavaughnAnderson4 жыл бұрын
You're my new best friend
@jacobeyres87784 жыл бұрын
@@JavaughnAnderson haha, thanks 😅
@tmpho-kh9du5 жыл бұрын
okay so its wrong for him to stand up for what he believes but its encouraged in the gay community?
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Tannar Mathers His beliefs are oppressive though where as ours are liberating
@gigglesmansonn5 жыл бұрын
London Girl oh yeah it’s super liberating to force a Christian to bake a “gay themed” cake. LGBT community will never be taken seriously because of you hypocritical sjw’s. This couple wasn’t treated as second class citizens or denied basic civil rights because a baker refused a wedding cake, and even offered them other deserts to sell them. This was nothing but harmful for the community, because of how negligent the entire situation was. Focus on the big picture and real cases of discrimination.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect. This guy refused them a wedding cake because they are gay and that’s wrong regardless of whether he likes gay marriage or not. He needs to keep his personal opinions out of business. Ever heard of the saying it’s not personal it’s business? It directly applies here
@gigglesmansonn5 жыл бұрын
London Girl If he has to design the cake with both their names, which was definitely going to happen, Then that alone was enough to make it artistic, and all these guy’s wedding cakes are complex feats, not just Some basic cake.
@johnpeterson66015 жыл бұрын
"It was never about cakes." Proof it was a set up from the beginning.
@jeanjoseph2425 жыл бұрын
Yes it was a set up by the devil, there's plenty more persecution to come for christians....beware ppl exalt the KING OF KINGS.
@lavjr975 жыл бұрын
fast cash 6:00
@lifeintegrity4u525 жыл бұрын
@@lodestar9877 The gays are fighting a voice in their head that says stop but they keep going I think.
@lifeintegrity4u525 жыл бұрын
Bad karma coming to those gay men for messing with a guy trying to follow his beliefs.
@dylanbinu103525 жыл бұрын
Beliefs differ and it’s his business. He built it and can choose to deny his customers. He’s the one losing money at the end of the day. This was just done for attention and you can’t deny that after how much it of it it’s gotten.
@madelineivins97864 жыл бұрын
If the cake guy was Muslum or Amish this would not be happening.
@PsychAxE4 жыл бұрын
@janjan de vil You wouldn't want to know
@newchangeunlisted_viewer55944 жыл бұрын
vil muslimbill Muslim and amish are seen as minorities but since the shop owner was a straight white man who's a christian, it's okay to attack him apparently
@abe70303 жыл бұрын
New change unlisted_viewer omg shut up y’all are acting like it’s a crime to be white and a man
@planetagonzo5 жыл бұрын
This was so unfair to the baker.
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
why?
@planetagonzo5 жыл бұрын
@pastor brian I'm not Christian. But I do have a deep respect for any person believes.My mom is Cristian. If the person is not harming anybody and being respectful with others, why not? Why they didn't go to a muslim bakery? He didn't refuse to do the cake. Only to do the decoration, because it was against his beliefs. Here in America, we want to respect other religions that are less tolerant, but ridicules Christian faith. The man looks, like a kind hearted guy. By the way my best friend is super gay and agree with me, those two are attention whores.
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
@@planetagonzo most gay people agree with me.....if he is a buisness he should obay the law.....otherwise why own a buisness?
@planetagonzo5 жыл бұрын
pastor brian sorry you can refused service to any person. That’s the law as well. They did it with malicious intentions. They look so entitled. Why they didn’t did this with a Muslim baker or a Jew baker. The result it was going to be the same. He didn’t discriminated them. Can you respect someone religion? Because if not your a bigot as well.
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
@@planetagonzo not by law, sorry
@avader55 жыл бұрын
There are numerous Muslim Bakers who also refused but no one seems to care about that they're only attacking Christians very fascinating
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
avader5 Maybe the couple actually identify as Christians and so feel betrayed by their own religion
@caflorero5 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 well why tho, have they seen Leviticus 18:22
@vladimirk71775 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 Christians who practice Homosexuality?!! Get educated Sweety
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Vladimir K I am very well educated. It is possible to be Christian and gay as well. I have a few friends who are both. Or do you think that it’s okay to deny gay people the right to religious freedom? (The very thing you are fighting for for this man)
@vladimirk71775 жыл бұрын
London Girl "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" . (Corinthians 6:9-10). Lady, your friends are either lying to themselves or they don't know better. Here is more "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"(Leviticus 18:22). You cannot be gay and christian, in this case you either dishonest or misinformed.
@liverightlivehonest53094 жыл бұрын
Charlie is awesome ! He did the right thing by not making the cake .
@phlprinting4 жыл бұрын
gay propaganda is wack
@yvngvertex4 жыл бұрын
Yes he did
@faye38614 жыл бұрын
No he didn’t. Homophobia is so pathetic.
@ssizzles22534 жыл бұрын
@@faye3861 making someone go against there religious beliefs because you want stuff to go your way dosnt work lol the lgbtq community wants freedom so bad but dosnt respect anyone else's freedom
@faye38614 жыл бұрын
ssizzles Maybe because religion isn’t fact. LGBT is fact.
@rickyparrish25703 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine being so fragile that you cry because someone wouldnt bake you a cake?
@rickyparrish2570 Жыл бұрын
@Crazy melon ! Like if a goverment discriminated against a baker for his religious beliefs? Discrimination is a necessary part of life. You only disagree with discrimination when it involves a group you are politically affliated with. Grow up.
@rickyparrish2570 Жыл бұрын
@Crazy melon ! You can not even put a coherent sentence together. Your lack of appropriate punctuation demonstrates you have the IQ of a turnip. The state threatened to prosecute him if he didn't bake the cake. Even after he won his lawsuit the state continued to harass him. You have no idea what you are talking about. The First Amendment was explicitly written to protect religious people.
@rickyparrish2570 Жыл бұрын
@Crazy melon ! Being "hurt" is irrelevant. Citizens have the right to worship God as they see fit. You have a first amendment right. You have no right to force someone to make you a cake. These assholes tried to FORCE a guy to bake them a cake that was in direct contridiction to his religious beliefs. Not only that, they used the government to do it. Screw them theu are evil people.
@bitcoinfuture18575 жыл бұрын
I support the baker
@N4orEditor5 жыл бұрын
i second this
@unofficialmarcel5 жыл бұрын
I support u shutting your dumb ass up
@Carpaintry_of_God5 жыл бұрын
+Michael S. Schulz I suppose you also support bullying
@N4orEditor5 жыл бұрын
@@unofficialmarcel someones triggered
@dirkthedaring51315 жыл бұрын
Michael S. Schulz ur aware they violated his 1st and 13th amendment right?
@Morrisseys7thFriend5 жыл бұрын
It's like suing Mormon restaurant owners for refusing to serve you beer.
@MASTEROFEVIL5 жыл бұрын
A Mormon restaurant probably wouldn't even sell beer
@boofdaclown78665 жыл бұрын
@@MASTEROFEVIL r/woosh
@mikey_stone065 жыл бұрын
Can they even drink beer
@MASTEROFEVIL5 жыл бұрын
@@mikey_stone06 no alcohol consumption is allowed in their religion
@mikey_stone065 жыл бұрын
That’s tough
@victorialewis6883 Жыл бұрын
The baker was right to stand up for his faith
@marysherlin40433 жыл бұрын
Proud of this guy who stood up for his belief !!!!
@robcat13666 жыл бұрын
I am so happy those two drama queens lost.
@netsanetmartine95485 жыл бұрын
🤣😂😃😎
@yojeffrow55055 жыл бұрын
Why? Do you know the baker or something?
@robcat13665 жыл бұрын
@@yojeffrow5505 Nope. And last I check, you don't need to know someone to be happy for them.
@keithwilson60605 жыл бұрын
@@yojeffrow5505 Well, do you know the drama queens?
@yojeffrow55055 жыл бұрын
@@keithwilson6060 No I don't. Then again I'm not the one getting pleasure out of a total stranger's pain. Again I ask, do you consider Rosa Parks or MLK drama queens as well?
@themushybrain6866 жыл бұрын
3:07 This should not be a “war”. People should be able to act free from intervention, so long as they are not harming anyone else. Not to mention, the couple could have gone somewhere else for a cake, instead of starting a witch-hunt and putting the baker’s safety in danger. The death threats are extremely unfortunate considering the baker seemed respectful, and his refusal was more about sincerely held individual faith and beliefs, rather than discrimination against the couple. 8:09 Similarly, I think the ruling of the case can be seen as a protection of individual freedom rather than an opposition to equality.
@harris10325 жыл бұрын
Breva Viva changing the (insert identity here) baker and (insert identity here) customer does not change this argument at all. The problem that many people seem to have in understanding this argument is in distinguishing what they believe is morally just and what the government can actually have prescedence over. This is less of a freedom of religion argument and more of a freedom of association one. This is understood once you see that the government should NEVER be allowed to force a private business "at gun point" (which is what would have occured if the supreme court had ruled in favor of the homosexual couple) to sell there products or services to anyone regardless of race, identity, sexuality, etc. This is due to the fact that a private sell must have both the consent of the one offering the product as well as the one purchasing. Personally, I agree that it is morally wrong to discriminate which is why I would never purchase products from someone who does. Luckily, I have this right due to the most durable and just document presented in any society, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I do like your passion for the truth though! Sadly, there seems to be a lack there of lately :)
@harris10325 жыл бұрын
Breva Viva oooo I like that thought. And pertaining to this argument, its a good way to get people to (hopefully) break from a narrow point of view to see a bigger picture here.
@pebblepod305 жыл бұрын
Breva Viva The Baker isn't discriminating general service based on personal attributes - it is different - it is a specially made product being requested (& in this case DEMANDED). For Gay Bakers, of course the same rule should apply. It is EXACTLY the same & as wrong as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry? I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that. I don't think you would want to be forced to support something your against either (unless you freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not a customer). It's exactly the same as the gay wedding couple forcing their values on others: buy a generic cake that he already made and use that to celebrate your party. The baker had took no issue with that. IMO, it is unethical to FORCE others to support my philosophy or ideology by FORCING them to put their artistic work into it. That's why I'm on the Left but don't support the Left: they often want double standards & to be given special treatment, and are willing to treat others baldy to do it. And they want to Force themselves onto others all the time. That is different from standing up for oneself, where others are forcing themselves upon me.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
The Mushy Brain Mushy brain indeed
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Breva Viva No they shouldn’t be allowed to deny service based upon unproven beliefs.
@veronicaneumann18203 жыл бұрын
I broke down and started crying boohoo. . There are bakers who stand for nothing ,ask them to bake your cake.
@MsJimmysgirl Жыл бұрын
As a private business owner he has the right to refuse service for whatever reason. I don't understand why people don't get that and try to force their views on other people. I am not religious but I respect his right to run his shop guided by his faith. I find it horrendous that the gay couple wanted their choice respected but they had no respect for his religious rights. It is too bad that he had to decide to stop making wedding cakes because of this case. I am sure that it did cost him a lot in lost income.
@psjarebee5 жыл бұрын
His rights are more important than their feelings. I'm gay and support the baker
@schuylkillmike80485 жыл бұрын
Are the rights of the luncheonette owners who refused to serve blacks more important than the feelings of the blacks who were refused service? If you were educated in the United States and born after 1980, it is no surprise that you were never taught anything about how public accommodation laws came into being. However, it is a bit disheartening that you don't seem to think all categories of Americans should be treated equal.
@johnnybravo59625 жыл бұрын
@@schuylkillmike8048 you're a dumb fuck who actually needs to read the cases and decisions about this baker The guy will serve anyone, gay, straight, trans, black, white, asian at his bakery BUT when it comes to the art on the cake he will not craft art which disagrees with his religious beliefs. This is not at all a denial of service case, if you read the case notes, because he never said he wouldn't serve certain people, just that he will not create art with certain messages; because of his religious beliefs he won't even make Halloween Themed Cakes. And that should be the right of any artist.
@schuylkillmike80485 жыл бұрын
@QTee It is the closest comparison in laws protecting people from discrimination for immutable traits.
@schuylkillmike80485 жыл бұрын
@O K No one is using blacks as a stepping stone, my overly-sensitive friend. It a comparison of minority groups with immutable traits guaranteed equal service under the law. If you don't want blacks refused service because of their immutable traits, then you can't justify discrimination against another minority group for their immutable traits.
@schuylkillmike80485 жыл бұрын
@@johnnybravo5962 Clearly you are not as familiar with the SCOTUS case as you think. I suggest you actually read the SCOTUS hearing transcript and ruling. The Baker refused to sell the gay couple the same product/services that he sold to non-gays. That's like telling a black couple they can't have lunch at the counter, but can pick up some chewing gum through the take-out window. The baker sold wedding cakes to everyone EXCEPT gay couples. The baker now has a better understanding of the Colorado laws that his business must follow, and he no longer makes wedding cakes for anyone.
@Yewon20016 жыл бұрын
I'm a gay man and I'm on the baker's side. How about we force a Jewish bakery to bake a cake commemorating Hitler next? I heard those guys knew he wouldn't bake that cake and they just went there to stir up trouble. GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY!
@pettyx0086 жыл бұрын
You're just a kiss ass to society because you hate yourself and to blend in.
@tha1ne6 жыл бұрын
jfsfrnd I think you're missing the point lmao, it's not about hitler it's about forcing someone to make a msg they don't believe in
@tha1ne6 жыл бұрын
thats part of it yeah, if the service in question forces the laborer to write something he or she dont wanna write lmao
@tha1ne6 жыл бұрын
remember the baker was requested to bake a cake that said "i support gay marriage" or some shit like that. That's compelled speech lol
@tha1ne6 жыл бұрын
O fuk, i stand corrected. Still, I agree with the decision tho, the supreme court's logic is pretty sound. Read here: www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html
@sensei2494 жыл бұрын
3:36 it's basically asking people to bully the shop owner. If they have problems go to the court. Idk why but left liberals and LGBT people think that it's for them to decide what's right and what's wrong.
@johnjk293 Жыл бұрын
If one business refuses you a service, GO FIND ANOTHER BUSINESS!!!! You are not entitled to insisting on one business for your demands. There are other businesses that can offer you a service. Honestly.
@meggrotte47605 жыл бұрын
Thanks for ruining this guy's life and business
@x_arnie5 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, he's fine.
@theQuestion6265 жыл бұрын
@Lily Pebbs and whose lives have they "ruined"? This faux "Christian" baker won his "case" and his business and life are just fine.
@meggrotte47605 жыл бұрын
@@theQuestion626 the guy had to stop making wedding cakes he lost 40% of his business because of those guys. When those guys came in asking for a wedding cake Gary marriage hadn't even been passed yet. So yes his life was ruined. There are plenty of businesses who had to close because they're Christians. God forbid somebody shuts down a Muslim. Or how about an atheist who doesn't want a bake a cake that says God is real and you need him. I'm sure you can see my point. As long as you're not a Christian or a Jew every other religion is fine. Why because most people in the states one or erase every ounce of judeo Christian values that were actually the foundation of this country. But guess what you can jail us you can close our you can kill us but I promise you. But there is one thing that non-believers cannot take away our faith. And whether people want to admit it or not we will stand before God one day and we will have to give an account of Our Lives. And if God isn't real and Jesus isn't God then I have nothing to lose. But if all those who say that this is not true and and what I just said is true well good luck
@theQuestion6265 жыл бұрын
@@meggrotte4760 evidence?
@will19055 жыл бұрын
meg grotte PREACH !!!👏🙏
@davemustaine96875 жыл бұрын
I'm Christian and I 100% support that baker!
@davemustaine96875 жыл бұрын
@Twisty The Clown how about you take a second and look up who Dave Mustaine is buddy.
@davemustaine96875 жыл бұрын
@Twisty The Clown Google m8
@johnrain73085 жыл бұрын
WWJD
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Dave Mustaine So you support him just because you are a Christian. You do know that Christians aren’t as special and wonderful as they seem to think they are right? Everybody is equal and everybody should have to be treated equally by law when in a business open to the public. You can’t tell gay people that they can have anything in the shop they want except for this product this product and this product because that is offering them a lesser service and is discrimination. Whether the discrimination is based on your religious beliefs or not is besides the point. If it’s in the shop/on the menu then it should be sold to all regardless of faith, sexuality or skin colour. Obviously there are some exceptions, ie, messages of degradation and hate towards any person or group of people should not have to be conveyed etc.
@iztjx265 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 if the baker was muslim you would side with him
@groundsiamang37004 жыл бұрын
I am glad the baker won this case. You cannot force someone to make something that goes against there beliefs. I am deeply religious too and I would not want to be forced to make something I didn't want to.
@laiseniasau90404 жыл бұрын
Go find another baker to bake your cake. Gosh you want people to respect your rights but you cant respect others rights.
@TakeAsNeeded4Pain6 жыл бұрын
Just go to another baker. Problem solved. At least he politely refused.
@Tsuruta16 жыл бұрын
C Brown Or start your own business.
@kumarshresta54356 жыл бұрын
I'm so thankful that Jesus suffered on the cross so a baker didn't have to make a cake! Phew...all that pain and suffering for a cake was worth it...PS more then 50% of Americans are in poverty...better blame the gays for that one too! They don't deserve cake.
@bet84676 жыл бұрын
Kumar Shresta What does Jesus have to do with anything?
@Tsuruta16 жыл бұрын
Aharon Lawrence Things like this.
@Tsuruta16 жыл бұрын
Fortnite Clips And you don't want to understand, nor are you asked to defend yourself. If you don't believe in God, Jesus, the Bible, fine. Your accountability.
@thenewvolunteer37825 жыл бұрын
Someone refused to sell me something once because I worked at a hospital they hated. I went to another store. The end.
@ayecarumba49285 жыл бұрын
Next time wear the mask to hide your identity and they will serve u
@vivianchevy4 жыл бұрын
Hahah exactly!
@DerekWilliamsMusic3 жыл бұрын
That is not illegal because you weren't being discriminated against.
@kerstin71333 жыл бұрын
@@DerekWilliamsMusic bro. nobody was discriminated against.
@DerekWilliamsMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@kerstin7133 Not in the hospital analogy given by the OP, but in the bakery case, the gay couple WERE discriminated against.
@jjjbgg58935 жыл бұрын
I didnt cry when my dog died and i love him with all my heart because i knew i had to be tough for him , and you cry for a cake
@Luxdominicom Жыл бұрын
Since when is "freedom" to force someone to do something he doesn´t want?
@jacobbehr80405 жыл бұрын
did they really have to bring that poor cake maker into all of this, couldn't they have just gone to some other bakery?
@andyiswonderful5 жыл бұрын
Oh, boo hoo.
@simonem.73855 жыл бұрын
@@andyiswonderful And that's why the lgbtqia will never triumph over the people's religious freedom.
@bar-sabas48015 жыл бұрын
Because they are looking for WAR
@dapperfan445 жыл бұрын
No they couldn't. They wouldn't have been able to carry out their agenda if they just found another bakery. The mentality of those who seek to force their ideology onto others is to seek dissent, and then raise that dissent to their peers attention, then destroy the dissenter.
@DerekWilliamsMusic5 жыл бұрын
@@dapperfan44 Are you therefore ok with a baker refusing wedding services to an interracial couple if he believes, as 13% of Americans still do, that marriage between different races is against God's law?
@lightningbrigade2575 жыл бұрын
Jack didnt boycott a gay wedding. He just didnt make their cake becuase of his beliefs. The gay couple could have gone somewhere else.
@kimbardgett66665 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't go to a Muslim bakery. Because they wouldn't have been as polite to them
@the_humbleness1562 Жыл бұрын
He didn’t insult them he respected and preserve his own faith
@michaeldoran43674 жыл бұрын
I watched that video and then went into the comment section to see all the bull shit people would post about how that guy is a bigot or whatever, but I'm pleasantly surprised to have seen so many positive responses in support of the baker
@sppsports24496 жыл бұрын
1) Baker refuses to make cake. 2) Baker gets a multi-year lawsuit. 3) Baker loses 40% of his business and gets death threats. 4) Who's the victim here?
@adianblabla5 жыл бұрын
>The baker is an adult and makes his own choices. So is the couple, who believed that being a good human is to force their beliefs in other people's throat, instead of going to another shop.
@KingMswatiIII5 жыл бұрын
But sexuality and race aren't really the same thing.
@KingMswatiIII5 жыл бұрын
People often say they are when arguing against religious freedom.
@djamenialmeida11765 жыл бұрын
May God protect this baker and bless his business.
@chrissiedemitro42355 жыл бұрын
And restore everything that he has lost 10 fold we stand in agreement 🙏
@helimarsantiago98695 жыл бұрын
Amen
@Em123125 жыл бұрын
Djameni Almeida he will blessed for It, he stood firm❤️
@FernandoLopez-wi6pb5 жыл бұрын
God isn’t real
@jerof54975 жыл бұрын
Atheist do have a purpose for living, it simply isn’t kneeling to a crucified jew you have never seen or met
@Tri_Nguyen_4 жыл бұрын
Common sense would side with the baker on this
@andreajackson3638 Жыл бұрын
IT absolutely isn't about the cake it's about violating the baker's religious rights
@lilly17335 жыл бұрын
This is so twisted. Just respect that man’s faith and move along.
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Lilly May What? Like he respects their right to get married?!
@lilly17335 жыл бұрын
London Girl If it’s against his faith then that’s that 🤷♀️
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
Lilly May Well to walk away and say nothing would go against my beliefs
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
sodium_ ramen He clearly doesn’t respect their equal right to get married otherwise he would have made the cake. Typical Christian, wanting everyone to respect his religious beliefs even if those very beliefs oppress those whom he wants respect from. It seems crazy to me that he even offered them other products. If they came in for w wedding cake then they came in for a wedding cake not a birthday cake or a cookie
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
sodium_ ramen his views on gay marriage are backward and oppressive and shouldn’t be encouraged
@FeelMyBirdie5 жыл бұрын
way to ruin a small business owners life
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
GOOD.....bullies and bigoiots should not have a buisness
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
pastor brian I totally agree.
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 its just common sense eh, lol
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
pastor brian Yup, 100% common sense. It’s just a shame that America is literally completely over run by religious bigots who can’t see past the lies in their bible.
@pastorbri5 жыл бұрын
@@mylifepostpain3705 the bible isn't lies, its their abuse of it that is. U can NOT be a christian with hate in ur heart, its impossible.
@morecarstuff5 жыл бұрын
"Its not about the cake" its about you not letting me force myself onto you lmao bro
@thatgirlray27654 жыл бұрын
I wanna go across the country to buy a cake from him
@virginiaphillips83335 жыл бұрын
"We are in this world but not of this world" Christians stand strong.🙏
@virginiaphillips83335 жыл бұрын
@Nick Gagnon I didn't even say that so can you not.
@edward14125 жыл бұрын
@Nick Gagnon Then they are NOT Christians. No Christian will support such an ABOMINATION!
@edward14125 жыл бұрын
@Nick Gagnon I can.
@Wesley-rf2kt5 жыл бұрын
@@edward1412 You can, freedom of speech. But calling a 4% of the population an abomination is not "free speech" it is hate speech.
@edward14125 жыл бұрын
@@Wesley-rf2kt "Hate Speech". Here we go again.
@shandrag63295 жыл бұрын
These guys are such hypocrites they want the baker to accept them, but they don’t accept the bakers religious beliefs. This world is getting really sad.
@Nightcre5 жыл бұрын
Religion is a choise being gay is not but its hard to debate because ether side wins
@sholos44785 жыл бұрын
@@Nightcre Buying a cake is a choice,
@PvtParts-px4jy5 жыл бұрын
@@Nightcre they could have gone to another vake store
@perryoparsonneseatingjuicy87385 жыл бұрын
Angeleyez cosmetics you do realize the couple THEMSELVES could be devoutly Christian? In which case the baker and the couple would share the same religious beliefs. I can tell you, the majority of homosexuals are not atheists. Additionally, you could argue this back and forth all day. “They want the baker to accept them but they don’t accept the baker’s beliefs”. People in opposition of that could just say “the baker wants them to accept his beliefs, yet he won’t accept them”. You make a weak case for perpetuating discrimination. Almost as shallow an argument as those advising them to just “go to another bakery”. Well, since refusing certain services to them is ok for this bakery, what if every store was run by someone who shared this man’s beliefs? (you’d find some in the south). Then they’d have no where to go. Why rely on people to individually chose whether their business implements discriminatory policies or not? If your views impede the services people should otherwise be entitled to, perhaps business practices actually should be a bit more regulated. Dumb business move on his part, anyway. The practice of selling commodities should transcend all bias and focus solely on products and profit. I mean, where do you draw the line? The baker stated he’d sell them anything but a cake, since cake was a symbol of their marriage, but what if the couple asserted they would instead purchase a mound of brownies and substitute their wedding cake for that. Would he still have sold them to the couple? Had they come back to that place to have a nice dessert on their honeymoon, and clearly made the baker aware of the occasion, would they still have been served then? Sure, I’m against murder, but say I owned a hardware store and an individual walked in aiming to purchase some of my most expensive gardening tools, doing so respectfully and fairly, but he happened to be a murderer, I would sell them to him anyway, not allowing my personal bias to hinder my sale of goods and the fulfillment of his needs. Now of course, if he intended to use these tools maliciously I would be personally obliged not to sell them to him, since the consequences of doing so would be the injury or death of another person, but in the context of this video, no one was going to potentially suffer as a result of selling the couple a cake. So, despite being against murder, just as I would sell the gardening tools to a person who had once killed and now wishes to tend to his garden, what is right for a business is objectiveness and if a couple walks in wishing to buy a cake, unless they were planning to light candles atop the frosting and burn down a church with it, I believe in selling it to them regardless of personal bias since morality is arbitrary and subjective and should not play a part in running a business.
@andyiswonderful4 жыл бұрын
It is called the law, stupid.
@jackcarraway4707 Жыл бұрын
"To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you can't criticize."
@ericarmstrong8001 Жыл бұрын
Freedom of religion. This man has a right to refuse service that goes against his religious beliefs.
@manoz83805 жыл бұрын
This couple are such drama queens. Wow. Making a mountain out of a mole hill
@callmekai975 жыл бұрын
I know right. They knew he was Christian and if they don't like it go away. If this was a Buddist, Jewish, Muslim, or even Hindi etc. then there would be no problem
@manoz83805 жыл бұрын
@@callmekai97 true. But according to current conditions if it was Muslim it may have been a bigger deal. Just my 2 cents
@kayb66495 жыл бұрын
HELL YES THEY ARE DRAMA QUEENS
@manoz83805 жыл бұрын
@Benedict Agpalo that would be balatant racism which is NOT allowed by law or any religion. Don't compare 2 very different things like an idiot.
@kayb66495 жыл бұрын
@Benedict Agpalo African Americans have been denied service through out history, And those that denied them had a choice to serve them or not.