SCOTUS same-sex wedding cake decision: How both sides say they got here today

[@veerchasm1]

Leave this man alone. You don’t like the customer service go to a different store

[@The_Legend_Himself]

veerchasm1 here’s the problem he’s a public service he doesn’t have a right to refuse someone service for an unjustifiable reason. Edit: I take back what I said more than a year later I was wrong the baker had every right to deny service.

[@yojeffrow5505]

This is my thinking: He has a right to be a bigot, yes. And if he wants the bad PR, that's his decision. That being said, I think weddings aren't just religious ceremonies. They're legal too. Furthermore, if two Jewish people came to his shop would he still bake a cake for them?

[@theshaunsta]

The Legend Himself no hes a private company. It would be a public service if he was part of a government organisation

[@theshaunsta]

Jeff DeWitt if they align with his beliefs i think he would. In this case if they were a Jewish man and woman

[@dustin3596]

+The Legend Himself yes he can, you can't force someone else to provide you a service

[@harambejr.4711]

*On a serious note though, this guy is a talented baker. 🎂*

[@TarantulamanNC]

Harambe Jr. He truly is

[@subswithnovideos-tn2eb]

sethc18769 and they ruined this guys life he lost 40 perceng of his profit as hs said and he has gotten death threats.

[@TrumpDeeznutsinYomouth]

He is truly amazing at its perfection, it make me sad how lgbt people always ruin other people's dreams

[@asdharleychuck123]

Cakes can't be gay but they can have a gay theme cake. Also, the baker while talented should be forced to provide the same level of service and same type of service as he would to a straight couple to a homosexual couple. Now, if he does not want to make a gay themed wedding cake he should not have to.

[@asdharleychuck123]

jfsfrnd no he should not be forced to design a cake in a certain manor or incorporate a certain theme. I stated so earlier. Just because a wedding is celebrating the union of two homosexuals does not mean the wedding cake is going to have a homosexual theme to it.

[@EduardoCruz-ou9nn]

From a gay man, this gay couple should've respected this religous mans rights. Just like he respected their ways of being. I sometimes don't understand how we in the community sometimes don't think to respect others people's beliefs when that is all we ask. This makes the couple look like hypocrites, honestly.

[@TrollyMan928]

dandagod official that’s not how it works, religious freedom only goes as long as it isn’t violating the law. What they private business is doing here is not violating the law, however, your terroristic idea of a religion would be. It scares me that Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor both voted in favor of the couple, this is a black and white constitutionality case.

[@lizrod9183]

dandagod official your really a stupid person damn maybe you should just move to a different country

[@lizrod9183]

dandagod official someone please make this guy stfu

[@lizrod9183]

Joey Jeffries I think he is

[@lizrod9183]

dandagod official what like you?!!!

[@derryckmatthewsee5792]

If you can hold your wedding in Massachusetts because Colorado does not recognize same-sex marriage, you can find another baker to bake your cake.

[@moniluv7974]

perfectly said !

[@griffynmargetts723]

"A small modest post" *writes an entire post with store information and inciting people to take action against said store*

[@AnoNymous-ph4cd]

lol yes that's what I thought

[@cubzrulz]

He offered to sell them anything else, he didn't refuse service period.

[@radon360]

Sadly, one has to wonder if the outcome would have been better if he had said flatly, "please get out of my store" without giving any reason.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

Way to miss the point...

[@pussiriffic]

They didn’t go in for anything else, they went in for a wedding cake. He denied them service of buying a wedding cake because they were a same sex couple, that’s discrimination. But honestly if I were them, I just would have gone to another cake maker, wouldn’t want to give homophobe my money anyway.

[@np4231]

jfsfrnd Nope, privately owned business. And I went there and he wouldn’t even make Halloween cakes because he disagreed. This proves that he was going off of his religious and moral beliefs. Not because he wanted to discriminate them.

[@alamochanel1329]

Noel López yes he did he wasn’t out of cakes or didn’t have the ability to make more he literally said no

[@FizzWizardHD]

What happened to "we are legally allowed to refuse service to anyone"

[@trolljones4386]

That went out the window back during the Civil rights era when it turns out you actually cannot refuse service to anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or sex.

[@tx2128]

tanner peatson nemo me impune lacessit

[@robronsuggle6897]

You can't legally refuse someone for their race, religion or sex and in Colorado you can't do it to people who are gay

[@tx2128]

Tanner Peatson what are you mad about tanner

[@tx2128]

Tanner Peatson you got some problems dude, beyond your syntax and construction of a sentence.

[@No-hj3nl]

“i BrOkE dOwN aNd StArTeD cRyInG [because I got denied a cake]” that pretty much sums up the mentality of today’s society

[@andromedaputraharyanto5420]

Yeah that guy lack testosterone

[@raymondaninipot2994]

I must agree with you.

[@nickplatin9693]

sad to be gay cuz people like that

[@voicelessglottalfricative6567]

@@andromedaputraharyanto5420 well hes gay... sooo obviously

[@arumaru3433]

Booo hooooooooooo! Stop whining about it and move on you snowflake! You libtards have ruined America! Back in my day we owned slaves, but everyone just had to ruin it with their "civil war"

[@themushybrain686]

3:07 This should not be a “war”. People should be able to act free from intervention, so long as they are not harming anyone else. Not to mention, the couple could have gone somewhere else for a cake, instead of starting a witch-hunt and putting the baker’s safety in danger. The death threats are extremely unfortunate considering the baker seemed respectful, and his refusal was more about sincerely held individual faith and beliefs, rather than discrimination against the couple. 8:09 Similarly, I think the ruling of the case can be seen as a protection of individual freedom rather than an opposition to equality.

[@harris1032]

Breva Viva changing the (insert identity here) baker and (insert identity here) customer does not change this argument at all. The problem that many people seem to have in understanding this argument is in distinguishing what they believe is morally just and what the government can actually have prescedence over. This is less of a freedom of religion argument and more of a freedom of association one. This is understood once you see that the government should NEVER be allowed to force a private business "at gun point" (which is what would have occured if the supreme court had ruled in favor of the homosexual couple) to sell there products or services to anyone regardless of race, identity, sexuality, etc. This is due to the fact that a private sell must have both the consent of the one offering the product as well as the one purchasing. Personally, I agree that it is morally wrong to discriminate which is why I would never purchase products from someone who does. Luckily, I have this right due to the most durable and just document presented in any society, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I do like your passion for the truth though! Sadly, there seems to be a lack there of lately :)

[@harris1032]

Breva Viva oooo I like that thought. And pertaining to this argument, its a good way to get people to (hopefully) break from a narrow point of view to see a bigger picture here.

[@pebblepod30]

Breva Viva The Baker isn't discriminating general service based on personal attributes - it is different - it is a specially made product being requested (& in this case DEMANDED). For Gay Bakers, of course the same rule should apply. It is EXACTLY the same & as wrong as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry? I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that. I don't think you would want to be forced to support something your against either (unless you freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not a customer). It's exactly the same as the gay wedding couple forcing their values on others: buy a generic cake that he already made and use that to celebrate your party. The baker had took no issue with that. IMO, it is unethical to FORCE others to support my philosophy or ideology by FORCING them to put their artistic work into it. That's why I'm on the Left but don't support the Left: they often want double standards & to be given special treatment, and are willing to treat others baldy to do it. And they want to Force themselves onto others all the time. That is different from standing up for oneself, where others are forcing themselves upon me.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

The Mushy Brain Mushy brain indeed

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Breva Viva No they shouldn’t be allowed to deny service based upon unproven beliefs.

[@danjoto7359]

The baker had every right doing that.

[@everybodysettledown]

So they want him to respect their sexuality but they can’t respect his faith Ahaha damn I started a huge argument😂😂😂

[@charissahakes5035]

Maclane Tane I like this

[@nguyentrang387]

Ryan Richards i'm an atheist but your comment is very rude even to me. If transgenders have the right to BELIEVE they are what they claim to be, then this man also has the right to believe what he wants to. Since when the right to believe in something becomes so "cruel"?

[@nguyentrang387]

@Ryan Richards I have never been taught or had enough close feeling to any religion to become its believer. But I don't hate religion. I just base on my common sense here, the baker didn't refuse to bake any other types of cake for the couple, just not a wedding cake. He also sincerely explained his reason. I mean he didn't be disrepectful or curse them. So the couple could have just gone to another bakery, they didn't have to go this far. If they felt offended, maybe just think differently? Just think that the reason he refused to serve comes from him, not from them and move to another bakery. He's the one who lost profit anyway. I have seen some owners refuse to serve customers with reason "I'm not in good mood" LOL

[@tassythylacine8075]

I’m not exactly sure who all y’all are but this fighting needs to stop. @RyanRichards just because you hate Christianity because it goes against what you think is right does not mean you need attack us. You can hate God’s rules all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that those rules are still there. Everything we do is a sin unless it is worshiping God because it is all vain. God gets to save who he wants whenever he wants so technically this gay couple could be saved in the end because are sins are all equal. Nevertheless tho this is our religion and if the gay couple can have the same rights to what they think is right then so do we. So could you plz stop telling us that we need to die and so does our religion. I didn’t mean to start a fight y’all so plz don’t attack me, I just don’t want y’all to keep fighting.

[@tassythylacine8075]

@Snached yea he seems like a perv. I’m rlly srry that he said those disgusting things to you!

[@jones5392]

“He may have won the battle, but he didn’t win the war”, umm I think he won both.

[@thunderbird1921]

See, that's what's disgusting. They feel this gives them the right to essentially declare war on a fellow American. It's like that line in Animal Farm: All are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[@jones5392]

@Internet Batman I do believe to this day his business is thriving, you saw how many people came to support him after the fact. “Disgusting bigot” seems to fit you best, because you think you’re so entitled that you “HAVE” to be served so much that you will go to court to force him to serve you, that’s fascism and bigotry.

[@jones5392]

@Internet Batman I have a very broad vocabulary kid. And you quite literally fit both definitions of fascism and bigotry... You’re refusal to acknowledge that is ignorant. His business is thriving because private donors have helped him with legal fees that the couple brought onto him. “Run a business is to constantly chase business away”, he wasn’t chasing them away he wanted them that’s why he offered them many alternatives, and he never did this once before so it’s clearly the couples problem, not his problem. In America we have the freedom of religion and if you’re saying that he should change his religion just because you don’t like its values is indeed fascism. “You looked like an unhinged snowflake”, says the one who is defending people who are crying about a damn cake. I mean really it’s a cake yet you’re going to bring this to COURT??!! That’s completely irrational and ridiculous. The world doesn’t evolve around you, so just because something doesn’t work out, that doesn’t mean you can throw a fit. EDIT: You say baking is the “gayest” form of cooking, that’s very derogatory, so it seems as if you’re fighting against a brick wall.

[@jones5392]

@Internet Batman Its not discrimination if you’re given alternatives, not to mention it’s his business, it’s his workplace, if you don’t like it leave, go somewhere else, find another baker, make your own cake. And if it’s okay to refuse someone service because they aren’t wearing a mask, why is it bad to give someone alternatives if they ask for something you’re uncomfortable with. It makes no sense but that’s the direction we’re heading into. If Amazon refused me service I would look for a small business who offers the same services... not bitch and cry about something as stupid as a cake. I’ve never watched Food Network, so you’d have to provide me with something where they openly express baking to be the “gayest form of cooking”. Once again the world doesn’t revolve around YOU, so if you feel hurt don’t make it another persons problem.

[@jones5392]

@Internet Batman Oh you’re right “ Oh no I can’t get a cake but I can get brownies” Boom discrimination. That’s makes no literal sense whatsoever.

[@mattrc77]

These guys act like they walked out of a bakery owned by the KKK.

[@RobertJamesChinneryH]

Check

[@truepatrician4700]

@@arcturus4762 I would rather have harmless racists

[@arcturus4762]

Harmless racists are nothing compared to violent "anti-racists" who will put you in jail for staring at them for half a second

[@marklara5328]

😂😂😂😂 fr

[@reems4325]

Max77 you be discriminated and let’s see how you feel

[@Inquiringsoberly]

The most overused word “bigot “ just bc someone doesn’t agree with you ...

[@greyk610]

The fuck is a bigot anyway? Like what's it even mean.

[@GARINGER]

@@greyk610 "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." Nowadays people put the "bigot" label on others who don't agree with them on controversial topics. An example would be not agreeing with / not supporting LGBTQASDFASDFASDF+

[@theneverone]

cameron crayton I think not agreeing with someone's existence or rights is plenty bigoted so the baker is a bigot. He can pretend and say " ohhh I'm so niceeee to gay people " but do you really think he voted for gay rights?

[@GARINGER]

@@theneverone Not supporting something you don't believe in/agree with is not the same as being intolerant. I think the baker is more worried about being allowed to run his business in alignment with his religious beliefs rather than fighting against the gay couple and their rights.

[@theneverone]

Jackson G But his religious beliefs are harmful

[@LetsGoGetThem]

When u hear him talk and apologize to them when he can't do that, he sounds very nice. He doesn't refuse to be with them or talk to them because they are gay, it's purely because of the ceremonial value of a wedding.

[@theQuestion626]

But he is not even factoring in it is THEIR wedding. Not his.

[@will1905]

theQuestion626 understand that by doing the cake for them he is being part of it, he helped with the wedding by doing that. Example is like if a person ask me money for beer and I give him money then i’m responsible on why that person bought beers.

[@brandiebranch4727]

theQuestion626 exactly, which is why he doesn’t have to be involved if he chooses not to.

[@wiseguymotionpictures1416]

That baker is gonna shit himself when he hears what Jesus had to say about capitalism.

[@szaing4029]

CAT DURGS “a wedding should be between a man and a woman” quote the bakery owner dude NO SHIT THEY WOULD CURSE BECAUSE HE JUST FUCKING GAVE THE A LESSON ABOUT HOW MARRIAGE SHOULD BE LIKE WHEN THEY DONT FIT INTO THE “REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE” so how would they not be offended they just wanted a cake

[@blizzardgam3s206]

If I ever go to Colorado, I’ll make sure to support this local business.

[@zacherycuello8996]

Facts

[@hamidmehrdad5805]

Me too. If only I'd known about this place when I last went up there

[@breastfeeder4856]

Same

[@lemmyhead8578]

He lost a court case recently. You should go read why.

[@Jennifer-vp2ov]

Same

[@MarshalLawTV]

If you replaced Christian with Muslim this story would of never aired.

[@maroonhorizon1693]

Captain Gaming why not

[@robbiesharp7751]

Maroon Horizon because this country’s liberals are Muslim sympathisers

[@johnw8984]

Captain Gaming Corey would have put rocks in the cake

[@ThunderAppeal]

Youre a moron...but because your grammar sucks

[@traveller403]

Captain Gaming thank you 🙏🏻

[@Morrisseys7thFriend]

It's like suing Mormon restaurant owners for refusing to serve you beer.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

A Mormon restaurant probably wouldn't even sell beer

[@boofdaclown7866]

@@MASTEROFEVIL r/woosh

[@mikey_stone06]

Can they even drink beer

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

@@mikey_stone06 no alcohol consumption is allowed in their religion

[@mikey_stone06]

That’s tough

[@tg9479]

Equal rights doesn't take the form of forcing a baker to make you a cake.

[@harpsarp66]

T G was it equality when businesses refused to serve African Americans? Was that fair? If we give the right for a business to deny service towards anyone, we give the right for all businesses to deny service to any group they choose.

[@kimmiewise1044]

Henry Sendra Yes...When said African Americans cause a disruption, they can be asked to leave. I’ve done it several times. It’s not my fault if your presence causes a disturbance. If you bring down my business, I’m kicking your ass out. If you stole my hat, I can kick you out of my store. If you decide to mock my religion by pretending to have a ceremony I find sacred, Well we all know where this headed.

[@harpsarp66]

kimmie Wise I was mentioning innocent people who just wanted to be served. It was completely unfair to not allow them service based on their skin tone. Also, gay people aren’t pretending to have marriage, they are legally getting married, and there’s nothing you can do to stop them from doing so other than blind violence.

[@harpsarp66]

Jane Doe I agree it’s harmful when anyone is mistreated when trying to be a patron of a restaurant or store, and I can sort of see where the baker is coming from with the wedding cake, it still doesn’t make much sense to me that we can allow an public shop to pick and choose which people are allowed to purchase which items. I also appreciate your civility in your replies to my comment. Thank you.

[@frontwipes4922]

Henry Sendra I believe a business has a right to refuse to anyone for any reason... just say nothing at all and don’t serve who you don’t want keep your mouth shut ask them to leave and move on avoid any problwms

[@marclopez6659]

3:42 “we wrote just a small modest post that said: hey, we were discriminated against this cake shop”. No, that is no true, they did not just wrote a small note on discrimination, they clearly urged hatred demonstrations against the baker, as much so that they provided the picture and information and asked people to send (not exactly friendly) e-mails to the baker. That was inciting people against the baker, no matter which way we want to see their action. They were not the victims, they were vengeful and hateful people who got their way by having the baker receiving death threats. I am glad the baker got back his business and we all got confirmed our rights to create what we want and what we believe in. NOBODY should be forced to create something that they disagree on, whatever the reason that be.

[@teamtundra2619]

There are no religious beliefs here

[@merericaac]

@@teamtundra2619 in the gay ppl, of course not

[@IrishAnnie]

Bullies!!!!

[@KeilyShhh]

lol oh wow... spare me honey.

[@punkyagogo]

Gay or not, those guys just seem like genuinely awful people. It's like they're just dripping with entitlement. I'm not even religious, but I'm glad the baker won; he appears to be a really sweet man. Honestly wishing the best for him from here on out.

[@seanissofresh]

Punkyagogo yeah, they just seem like shit starters. They show the cake guy doing his thing...it's creating a painting on a cake. They show them doing their thing...their heads are in their computers and they are typing away furiously...like wtf? Are they just professional facebookers or something?

[@kyjo72682]

SquareRootOf2 Seeking justice in court is harassment? I don't personally think they have a valid case but you just seem like someone who likes to jail people just for being different. That's pretty lame..

[@squarerootof2]

It was them who started this campaign of harassment against this honest and helpless baker, tweeting about it, suing and arising hate against him. These people are POS that only care about themselves and their narcissism and their sexual desires imposed on other people. Of course I care when these disgusting activists try to impose their twisted worldview on others. I care a lot. Not about what they stick up their asses in private but about their hateful, fascist way to impose themselves on others, abusing the natural tolerance of honest people. There are plenty of "normal" gays that go about their business without bothering others. I don't mind about honest gays but gay activists should be dealt with like they do in Muslims countries, who are very tolerant and the religion of peace and Holy Qu'ran has humane treatment for them. Or are you one of those Slavic Islamophobes?

[@squarerootof2]

kyjo72682 Why should I look in the mirror? I'm not gay. You look in the mirror, Nazi islamophobe!

[@tokoshie]

Punkyagogo That "sweet man" believes gay people should be denied the same rights as straight people (i.e marriage).

[@PHOTOGRAPHYBYDEREK1]

Oh for cryin' out loud, just go to another bakery.

[@Sir_Kotsos]

Derek Hansin They dont want other bakerys they want this one becouse its a Christian one

[@ilikefood8075]

The shouldn’t have to tho.

[@brucecampbell4528]

Eurovision Fan tv that's bullshit, grow up. Stop throwing a fit and go somewhere else.

[@ilikefood8075]

justin holmes what if a black person wanting a cake and he denied a black person the cake because of his religion it is not okay he should just bake the cake god doesn’t hate anyone

[@brucecampbell4528]

Eurovision Fan tv but that wasn't the issue, those are two separate issues.

[@eddiecoyle9152]

*God Bless you Jack, I'm sorry you had to go through all that b.s and I am so glad you won the case!*

[@o_o1317]

they tarnished his bakery, that shows more about their character than anything. honestly disgusting and sad, i hope his bakery can recover

[@o_o1317]

Robert Lynch It’s an independent bakery owned by him. While he denied the service of making a wedding cake (a longer, more time consuming process) for them, he did not say he wouldn’t serve them other things. “maybe he shouldn’t have signed up to be a baker” that is his right and his passion and he is holding to his beliefs. I believe he handled the situation as well as he could. smh

[@Christopher-D]

The bakery's tarnished reputation is the direct result of the baker's actions. When he made the decision to deny service on the basis of sexuality, he should've recognized that there would be social consequences, as society generally accepts same-sex marriage nowadays. It may be within his right to deny service to anyone, but the couple also have the right to describe the discrimination to the public.

[@spidermonkeynuts3851]

@@Christopher-D Thai was in 2012 and it still wasn’t very accepted then. It wasn’t even legal everywhere yet. Those two guys just shouldn’t have been little pussys about it and just went somewhere else

[@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr]

@@spidermonkeynuts3851 You Clearly don't understand how business works I've taken business courses and his downfall was inevitable. Business is brutal, competition is everywhere and sites to rate businesses existed then. During that time gay marriage was on a rise and any smart business owner would have taken the opportunity to serve theses men in order to gain more recognition and more customers regardless of belief. His decision was gonna cripple his business whether he liked it or not because people talk, the word would have spread and the business would have been viewed negatively in society. A smart business owner would set their beliefs and political views aside in order to appeal to the masses and to keep their business open as well as make profit, the more people they please the better regardless of how they feel about it.

[@KalashVodka175]

@@rafaelmartinez-gb3wr A smart business owner would have recognized that serving the gay couple would probably be more benefitial in the long term. But it doesn't mean he would have done so if he also had principles whom he'd put above financial interests. Small businesses aren't exactly the same as Tesco or Wallmart, they aren't fully driven by profit, in the case of a bakery especially, bakers often work out of passion rather than a wish for financial gain.

[@kiddrang6895]

His bakery ... his decision

[@MT-qw3ou]

Apparently the baker has no decision - the state commission decided for him which ended closing his wedding cake line. On the other hand the SC decided to rule for the this baker. As for other business owner, be careful not to deny service to anyone.

[@bboyfocus12]

+M Tabin yeah ..you own a store.. two scumbags come in.. you know they will cause trouble most likely.. but you cant deny them right

[@mranderson3277]

"My bakery... my choice", alot better than "my body... my choice".

[@austin7037]

The saying "my body my choice" forgets to take the body and choice of the fetus into consideration though.

[@dragonboo6644]

Same logic as refusing to bake for someone because they're black

[@thenewvolunteer3782]

Someone refused to sell me something once because I worked at a hospital they hated. I went to another store. The end.

[@ayecarumba4928]

Next time wear the mask to hide your identity and they will serve u

[@vivianchevy]

Hahah exactly!

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

That is not illegal because you weren't being discriminated against.

[@kerstin7133]

@@DerekWilliamsMusic bro. nobody was discriminated against.

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

@@kerstin7133 Not in the hospital analogy given by the OP, but in the bakery case, the gay couple WERE discriminated against.

[@MaxBadstibner]

Regardless of your opinion, this man stood by his beliefs, even in the face of financial loss and death threats. I think that is extremely admirable.

[@andyiswonderful]

A die-hard Nazi would also stand for his beliefs.

[@MaxBadstibner]

andyiswonderful No they would not as evidenced by the suicides of Nazi leaders and the fleeing of Nazis to places like Argentina after WW2. Those die hard Nazis certainly didn’t stand up for their beliefs once they were out of power.

[@andyiswonderful]

@@MaxBadstibner rubbish. They absolutely were standing up for their beliefs to the bitter end.

[@MaxBadstibner]

andyiswonderful I disagree but nonetheless I wouldn’t compare a Christian baker refusing service even remotely equivalent to the attempted genocide of the Jews.

[@user-yo4zt5su3b]

iIs religion guided in Hate,its cowardice and shameful.

[@shicc792]

I'm on the bakers side on this one.

[@scottcorbett2446]

Me too

[@scottcorbett2446]

@@ryt25 Well, if it's your own business, go ahead and forbid Christians if you want to run it that way, you're right it's your choice since you own the place. I'm a Christian and I would simply go to another shop.

[@Catlover6869]

Same

[@88feji]

In the same way you cannot force a racist person to be dishonest about their racist attitudes ... yes I do support the baker ...

[@asecrettohide9096]

Yes I understand but...... Everyone will still hate you...even me 😚🙃🙂🤗☺️😂

[@michaelquartermain9510]

The Baker was the victim not the villain! The fact that Colorado took a way his first amendment right is really sad and concerning.

[@legion3964]

It’s his business

[@stormerz1237]

@jfsfrnd the gay couple could just go to another store... but no!!! They play the victim card instead... shitty bitches... fuck the SJW's as well... sending death threat wont make u look good idiots... yeah, its not just a cake, for both sides, the baker made those cakes as arts, religious expressions related... if they want to make such statement, look at both sides... bunch of snowflakes...😒

[@nathaniel2874]

@@legion3964 yes I agree

[@sr2291]

@legion396 Yes but his business is regulated by Colorado law.

[@nathaniel2874]

@@sr2291 so what

[@immunity2you696]

It's a private business. He has the right to do what he wants

[@jsilva7005]

It's a slippery slope. For example I support Jack's right to not make a wedding cake because that goes against his religious beliefs. But if he didn't want to make them lets say a birthday cake or anything else because they're gay I wouldn't support that. Do you think a business should be able to turn away black people just for being black or chinese people for being chinese? Just because it's a private business?

[@immunity2you696]

@@jsilva7005 that my friend is the free market. He turns away someone for being black he will lose money because of the couple he turned away and the people the couple told. However he should have the right to do whatever he wants. It's in his interest to not turn them away. There is more then 1 cake business out there.

[@kentellrobinson7094]

@@jsilva7005 he didn't refuse service just a wedding cake you cant apply that to race

[@ferzinhaN]

@@jsilva7005 Would any homosexual baker bake a cake with "homosexuality is a sin" ?

[@magix4152]

@@jsilva7005 should an Israeli baker be forced to make a cake to a Palestinian?

[@Stephanie-bv3zm]

I wish I could stand up for that Baker. This is ridiculous.

[@Stephanie-bv3zm]

Danielle Adair lmaoooo 😂 You’re the definition of ignorant.

[@cyberkkult]

It’s sad how not a lot of people stood up for him

[@enigma2297]

Hes currently going through his third lawsuit. This time its a transgender cake. The state and some members of the lgbt are clearly harassing the man

[@cyberkkult]

Jordan Lynch really?? Yeah wow they clearly have it out for him

[@alecrosewell6959]

@@enigma2297 this is harrassment.

[@haileejacob1995]

So...he respectfully denied them a cake but offered them cookies, brownies, anything else. Didn’t say anything derogatory about them being a gay couple, just said he wouldn’t create the cake for the wedding...I’m really not seeing where this had to become a federal case...a simple “Oh, that’s disappointing. Thank you for your time.” Would’ve sufficed. Baker was respectful which is exactly how a good Christian man would be...

[@sr2291]

They needed a Custom Wedding Cake for their wedding reception not cookies or brownies.

[@Quinntus79]

@@sr2291 They could have found another shop willing to make a wedding cake. Expression is not something that should be compelled. It violates the First Amendment.

[@sr2291]

@Quinntus79 Define "expression". That's the problem. Churches were invented for religious people to worship in. They don't need to worship at work. They need to do their jobs like everyone else has to.

[@melwin5574]

This baker is way to sweet, the gay guy claimed he never ever had been treated this way as if someone beat him up because of his sexual orientation when in reality all the baker did was deny decorating the cake also apologizing them for the inconvenience and offering them other goods. I'm glad he won. These people disgust me.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Your local redhead feminist He didn’t apologise

[@melwin5574]

London Girl Yeah he did. He said multiple times that he was sorry

[@g-rexsaurus794]

@@melwin5574 He didn't apologise because he doesn't need to, he just said that it's not like he's enjoying refusing to do cakes.

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

@Your local redhead feminist Over 42 million Americans (13% of total population) believe it's "always wrong" for two people of a different race to marry, many for religious reasons. Do you support a baker's right to bake wedding cakes for couples of the same race, but to refuse them to interracial couples?

[@melwin5574]

Derek Williams It’s his rights. I would serve anyone if I was a baker but I could see why he wouldn’t because of his religious beliefs. I think he should have he right to deny service to anyone as long as he has a valid reason for example religion.

[@tmpho-kh9du]

okay so its wrong for him to stand up for what he believes but its encouraged in the gay community?

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Tannar Mathers His beliefs are oppressive though where as ours are liberating

[@gigglesmansonn]

London Girl oh yeah it’s super liberating to force a Christian to bake a “gay themed” cake. LGBT community will never be taken seriously because of you hypocritical sjw’s. This couple wasn’t treated as second class citizens or denied basic civil rights because a baker refused a wedding cake, and even offered them other deserts to sell them. This was nothing but harmful for the community, because of how negligent the entire situation was. Focus on the big picture and real cases of discrimination.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

LemonCoconut If you actually watch the video he refused them before they could even discuss the theme of the wedding cake so to say he refused a gay themed cake is incorrect. This guy refused them a wedding cake because they are gay and that’s wrong regardless of whether he likes gay marriage or not. He needs to keep his personal opinions out of business. Ever heard of the saying it’s not personal it’s business? It directly applies here

[@gigglesmansonn]

London Girl If he has to design the cake with both their names, which was definitely going to happen, Then that alone was enough to make it artistic, and all these guy’s wedding cakes are complex feats, not just Some basic cake.

[@lightningbrigade257]

Jack didnt boycott a gay wedding. He just didnt make their cake becuase of his beliefs. The gay couple could have gone somewhere else.

[@kimbardgett6666]

They wouldn't go to a Muslim bakery. Because they wouldn't have been as polite to them

[@victoryvictory8246]

I love this man, stand up for his faith

[@KBCards]

I’ve met him before he seems to stand up for what he believes even when it’s looked down in. Nice dude too.

[@ryt25]

victory victory i do in my boutiqe! i don’t allow christians my products

[@sudeepjoseph69]

@@ryt25 You can't deny someone product just because they are Christian. Maybe if they asked you to make a product for their church or Christian event, sure you could deny that. But if they just want product, you can't deny it because of their religion

[@oldmanjenkins9230]

@@sudeepjoseph69 its a private business

[@sudeepjoseph69]

@@oldmanjenkins9230 That doesn’t matter. You can’t discriminate based on race, religion, ethnicity, or sex

[@johnpeterson6601]

"It was never about cakes." Proof it was a set up from the beginning.

[@jeanjoseph242]

Yes it was a set up by the devil, there's plenty more persecution to come for christians....beware ppl exalt the KING OF KINGS.

[@lavjr97]

fast cash 6:00

[@lifeintegrity4u52]

@@lodestar9877 The gays are fighting a voice in their head that says stop but they keep going I think.

[@lifeintegrity4u52]

Bad karma coming to those gay men for messing with a guy trying to follow his beliefs.

[@dylanbinu10352]

Beliefs differ and it’s his business. He built it and can choose to deny his customers. He’s the one losing money at the end of the day. This was just done for attention and you can’t deny that after how much it of it it’s gotten.

[@jacobbehr8040]

did they really have to bring that poor cake maker into all of this, couldn't they have just gone to some other bakery?

[@andyiswonderful]

Oh, boo hoo.

[@simonem.7385]

@@andyiswonderful And that's why the lgbtqia will never triumph over the people's religious freedom.

[@bar-sabas4801]

Because they are looking for WAR

[@dapperfan44]

No they couldn't. They wouldn't have been able to carry out their agenda if they just found another bakery. The mentality of those who seek to force their ideology onto others is to seek dissent, and then raise that dissent to their peers attention, then destroy the dissenter.

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

@@dapperfan44 Are you therefore ok with a baker refusing wedding services to an interracial couple if he believes, as 13% of Americans still do, that marriage between different races is against God's law?

[@sppsports2449]

1) Baker refuses to make cake. 2) Baker gets a multi-year lawsuit. 3) Baker loses 40% of his business and gets death threats. 4) Who's the victim here?

[@adianblabla]

>The baker is an adult and makes his own choices. So is the couple, who believed that being a good human is to force their beliefs in other people's throat, instead of going to another shop.

[@KingMswatiIII]

But sexuality and race aren't really the same thing.

[@KingMswatiIII]

People often say they are when arguing against religious freedom.

[@jkroiss]

It's the dumbest argument ever. Businesses refuse business to people all the time for other reasons

[@remix4098]

Other reasons such as what?

[@avader5]

There are numerous Muslim Bakers who also refused but no one seems to care about that they're only attacking Christians very fascinating

[@mylifepostpain3705]

avader5 Maybe the couple actually identify as Christians and so feel betrayed by their own religion

[@caflorero]

@@mylifepostpain3705 well why tho, have they seen Leviticus 18:22

[@vladimirk7177]

@@mylifepostpain3705 Christians who practice Homosexuality?!! Get educated Sweety

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Vladimir K I am very well educated. It is possible to be Christian and gay as well. I have a few friends who are both. Or do you think that it’s okay to deny gay people the right to religious freedom? (The very thing you are fighting for for this man)

[@vladimirk7177]

​London Girl "Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" . (Corinthians 6:9-10). Lady, your friends are either lying to themselves or they don't know better. Here is more "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination"(Leviticus 18:22). You cannot be gay and christian, in this case you either dishonest or misinformed.

[@tdog3753]

God bless this baker. He so clearly felt bad and didn't want to offend anyone. He stood up for what he believed in and took the consequence of going against the lgbt's opinion of what's equal service or not.

[@charlesf6247]

Tdog now he is out of business karma bites

[@crypticchameleon4339]

Charles F no he’s not out of business you lying sack of shit. Go fuck yourself

[@charlesf6247]

Cryptic Chameleon go it up

[@simply.5570]

Charles F ijr.com/2018/06/1105181-jack-phillips-successful-supreme-court/ Says it's booming? Only thing hurting him from what I've read in other articles is yelp reviews.

[@charlesf6247]

Simply Vullgar even if its true he needs to be boycotted and his business shut down he his hypocrite

[@baltsosser]

Nothing good happens when a government forces one man to oppress how he practices his faith in order to push how someone else thinks on him. He even offered to make other options. He did not object to baking something for them, in fact was willing to do so for any other item in his shop. The couple rejected all of his attempts to offer them support and instead fired what I call a frivolous lawsuit. The man is an artist, and you can't force anyone to sell you the art they create.

[@ImforChrist1]

These two guys (I think they're guys?) were hateful and deceitful people who think it's ok to walk on other people's rights in order to enforce what they think is their rights. I detest their actions and what they stand for. Whos side do you think the Lord GOD would come down on?

[@baltsosser]

How he practices his faith is not an excuse for someone else to break the law trying to oppress him in pursuit of fame and in an attempt to make money.

[@robronsuggle6897]

V Star 1300 Adventures that's not true. They didn't sue for any money so stop lying

[@youngdarius17]

V Star 1300 Adventures preach that’s why I’m glad the won the case. Homosexuals complain and cry too much.👫

[@baltsosser]

Robron Suggle they suex to make a fat nuck. Nice try.

[@lilianalopez2263]

"creating a generic wedding cake" would be an issue because that would be like "separate but equal" service. The baker's choice to politely refuse was clearly the best option for everyone involved.

[@NAME-yg8sl]

And he didn't say he wouldn't serve lgbtq people. He just says he wouldn't bake a cake celebrating their union. You wouldn't go into a muslim restraunt and order pork.

[@the_Rossom1]

3:07 “the bakery may have won the battle but not the war” honey this went to the Supreme Court that means it won the war lol

[@robronsuggle6897]

You need to watch the whole video. They only ruled on the court being hostile to the baker. They didn't say he could discriminate!

[@charlesf6247]

kleyton rossi wrong Christians are finally losing to gays the united states just legalized gay marriage across the united states. And Ireland legalized gay marriage gays 2 Christians 1 so who is losing the war

[@the_Rossom1]

Charles F well this “war” was about the freedom of religion beliefs... what you are talking about is something different. It’s a different war and honestly most people don’t care... the thing is to recognize the religious freedom that Christians have and don’t force us to do something that we believe is not right.

[@charlesf6247]

kleyton rossi first of the baker had absolutely no right to use his business as a platform to spread his hate based on his relgous beliefs and the supreme court failed to see that and it should have been 7-0 in favor of the gay couple as a message his business practice was unethical

[@the_Rossom1]

Charles F how was he spreading hate??? This man would’ve sold them cupcakes, brownies and etc. he just didn’t do cakes because it’s a form of art. His art is created for a man and a woman. Why don’t you guys get that?!? In the video, no form of hate was shown by him. Hate came from the LGBT people who were trying to force him to bake something that went against his religious belief. I’m surprised that people have yet to know that us Christians are against hate

[@seanpeters3690]

I'm very glad that the baker won, but I'm even more glad that there are still people like him left that stands up for his faith regardless of the consequences. God Bless Jack Phillips, and I really hope to be like him.

[@pola5392]

Yes, I hope I can be more like him too, the fact that this is even a debate in what is meant to be the most Christian country on earth is evidence enough for how we have let things slip so much

[@seanpeters3690]

@@pola5392 amen. God Bless you.

[@pola5392]

@@seanpeters3690 God Bless you too!

[@seanpeters3690]

@@pola5392 thanks. :)

[@elpatodonal4135]

Amén. GOD bless you brother.

[@evangelistgabrielchishamba7663]

A man's honor is seen in following his beliefs. The baker is truly an honorable man

[@cyberkkult]

Evangelist Gabriel Chishamba I felt so bad for him that he had to go through that

[@jessejames6048]

And if I had a "religious belief" that Blacks are second class citizens?

[@cyberkkult]

Jesse James that doesn’t fucking exist dude..

[@redacted6982]

Friendly Oats On the basis of it being ingrained into people and not changeable, it is comparable.

[@redacted6982]

Friendly Oats Also, autism is a behavior by your definition. Schizophrenia is a behavior by your definition. Interracial marriage is a behavior by your definition. Wanna deny an interracial straight couple service?

[@viperch25]

these two guys went looking for a fight and lost.

[@anthonyg9197]

Thanks to them, Trump is banned on Twitter and Facebook though 🤣

[@Leviathan762-zh4lq]

​@@anthonyg9197not anymore 😂

[@WTFTTrolling]

That awkward moment when the LGBTQ boycott his business but later realize he wasn't going to serve them anyway 😂😂😂

[@RulerOfYore]

Rage He would serve them he just won’t make a Cake for gay marriage

[@andyiswonderful]

The awkward moment when your stupidity was put on display, for all to see, yet you are too stupid to notice.

[@bar-sabas4801]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Oooooh

[@cyberkkult]

andyiswonderful that awkward moment when you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about

[@Carriedmusic]

Lol

[@tanishahatchet7883]

Why can’t we agree to disagree!? I don’t believe in your lifestyle and you don’t believe in my faith...you don’t want me to push my faith/beliefs on you, and I don’t want you to push your beliefs on me. God please bless this man and his business! I stand with him! 🙌🏾🙏🏾

[@ak14serko44]

@Young Nala what does that have to do with her ancestors?? She choses to believe in an entity that is beyond her humanity and you here attacked her because her "religion" ?? People can't have the choice of belief anymore right?! See people like you are the problem, you're never satisfied about bringing down other people who have different opinions about a situation but when it vomes to Christianity it's all about how it facilitated slavery and now also hate towards the lgbt people, y'all forgot that other religions were also involved deeply. But I won't get into an argument because y'all don't want to see the truth of what truly history was but rather content yourselves with the only negative aspects and not trying to dig deep to seek the truth. Well a day will come and you will all understand, I simply pray and hope it won't be too late when it happens!!

[@andyiswonderful]

I hope you get denied service in a cafe for being black. Then you can understand what this is really about. But, I doubt you ever will because you have been hypnotized with religion.

[@andyiswonderful]

@@ak14serko44 uh, calm down and try to think for a moment. Her ancestors were oppressed; that is why it is relevant. She is ignoring her own personal history and committing oppression herself. Of course she has the right to her belief. No one has denied that. AND, by the same token, others have the right to criticize her for her belief. See how that works?

[@tanishahatchet7883]

AK14 Serko thank you well said!

[@tanishahatchet7883]

andyiswonderful well guess what? That happens to still go on today. You can’t compare my skin color to your sexual PREFERENCE/CHOICE. What your ppl did to my ppl are still going on. Should I hate you for that? Some of the LGBT community are racist, should I hate them for that? No because I understand that the ppl who used the Bible and “religion” to do evil things where not Christians. Idc what they said they were, if you aren’t showing love and mercy then you aren’t a Christian. Now you in fact maybe racist since you left that kind of comment lol but it’s ok I’ll pray for you and I love you! Just because I don’t agree with your lifestyle it doesn’t mean I hate you or any gay person❤️

[@vixly6187]

"5 years later that interaction still stings: I was mortified, I mean neither one of us had ever been treated this way before at a bisnuss" I can't behleve the let some softy who got their feelings hurt over a cake go all the way to supreme Court. Parrents, please raise your kids better.

[@nccrchurchunusual]

Parents are being undermined on all sides- Society, public school, sports, peer pressure etc. Parents can do their best to provide, be involved & still lose the battle as the kids hear the "sirens" drawing them down a dark road. At the end of the day, kids choose to be & do, regardless of upbringing. I know this bc I was a foster kid for almost 8 yrs of childhood. I decided for myself what type of person I wanted to be- with the help of Almighy God.

[@zizi5137]

How immature adults behave when they have been told no. A type of tantrum if you ask me. As a woman, I have seen females getting into witchcraft because they want their way. I pray to God for maturity in our earth.

[@CancerGaming56]

That gay couple and what they did: *Just seen writing angry tweets* Baker: *Just doing his job.*

[@thomtorrez7618]

They shopped this poor guy . They wanted to make an example and intimidate others into complying . Evil knows no bounds .

[@mftripz8445]

Lmfao but this is a good border, it seperates the men from the bitches. Of course men will shunned outta shit but we built to take it. The bitches are the catered and are "appalled" when someone doesn't agree with their dick sucking ways

[@dameriahservesyeshua]

The only thing that gets me is thee entitlement. Now that gays are more accepted, they feel more powerful. And all honesty, be who you wanna be, be with who you wanna be with but don't force nothing on no one. Partly reason why God destroyed Somdom and Gomorrah 🤔

[@lindseyjohnson1998]

ive personally met this guy and he is one of the sweetest people i’ve ever met.

[@learninggreek501]

really? that's pretty cool! what did he say?

[@lindseyjohnson1998]

learning greek we didn’t talk to him about the case

[@ashlengovender4240]

But he just doesn't bake gay cakes

[@lindseyjohnson1998]

Ashlen Govender he was willing to bake them a cake for their wedding with some different art on it. also offered them cupcakes and anything else in the store. he didn’t want to do the artwork on the original cake they had asked for because it went against his beliefs. he had every right to do so, just like everyone has a right to freedom of religion. the supreme court ruled that what he did was constitutional because it was. any shop owner also has the right to what they will and won’t do. doesn’t mean they can refuse service but they don’t have to say, bake you a cake with the nazi flag on it if you asked them to.

[@ashlengovender4240]

@@lindseyjohnson1998 Yea, you're absolutely right and he had the right to refuse them a wedding cake (but I feel a nazi flag would have been a different issue) and I don't think the gay couple should have taken this to court for discrimination. However, I just find it comical this far in our existence as humans he was still intolerant of a same sex marriage.

[@sunnyboi2461]

Dude I'm LGBT and honestly I side with the baker because I don't wanna force someone to do something they don't wanna do and not for hateful reasons he's a nice person he just dosen't want to do it for deep religious beliefs and I wouldn't want someone to go against that for my benefit.

[@scottcorbett2446]

@Mason Koski Yes, thank you for being civilized. We as human beings have to know we can respect each other even though we disagree on things.

[@KeilyShhh]

Either you're just saying your queer to get attention or you actually are... either way, this is segregation... and the same laws that protect the baker also.... 1) Allow doctors to refuse medical care to LGBTQ+ people 2) Allow religious institutions to fire queer people just because of their orientation/identity 3) Protect religious based adoption agencies when they deny services to same sex couples while still demanding that those same people pay their salaries (as many are tax payer funded) ... I could go on and on and on. If you really are who you say you are, why would you want to protect religious privilege before protecting so many people's livelihoods?

[@sunnyboi2461]

@@KeilyShhh No I'am Non-Binary and Pansexual, but it's actually not, and to break down what you said. You shouldn't be a doctor if you're not going to treat everyone, if religious institutions want to be hateful then the public will decide weather or not to take part with them, and religious based adoption agencies should frankly not exist. Anything that is taxpayer funded should 100% treat people equally regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. But here's the thing, if that baker was forced to make a cake that goes against his religious beliefs for an LGBTQ+ Couple, that would also samely apply to an LGBTQ+ Baker being forced to make a homophobic cake despite being Episcopalian or Unitarian Universalist or Presbyterian or some other LGBTQ+ accepting church and having those beliefs. The script can be flipped in a lot of unfortunate ways, and I know if I owned my own business I would not want to be forced to serve someone hateful, and I don't think this man should be told who we can or can't serve. Honestly I think business should be required to post that in the window so we know what kind of places we're spending our money at and weather or not they care about us or not. But no, must of what you mentioned, that can have an extremely valid argument for why that shouldn't be in place and doesn't "go against someones religious protections" cause it does harm the public overall, but this cake thing, it doesn't, and I think of how if he court hadn't sided with the baker, how this could be weaponized, and that's honestly more terrifying.

[@KeilyShhh]

@@sunnyboi2461 Okay, I'm sorry for accusing you of lying about your orientation and identity. And I do hear what you're saying and yes, there is nuance in this debate. But first of all, saying that it's wrong for doctors to deny care because to those they are prejudice against doesn't change the fact that it happens and that it's perfectly legal. It doesn't change the fact that people who need medical care are being forced to look elsewhere (sometimes even in emergency situations). And yes, faith-based child care services should not exist... That doesn't change the fact that they do exist and that reform needs to happen so that queer people don't have to pay for services that they are being denied. My big question/point is this: 1) I hear your point that concerns freedom of speech. One thing I would say though is that if someone denies services to one individual that they ALSO deny to EVERYONE ELSE, that is very different than denying services to someone that you DO provide to other people. For example, someone who bakes wedding cakes for straight couples but denies the exact same service to LGBQ+ folks. In the latter example, it's the queer individuals that are being denied services rather than the baker simply using their own discretion. 2) When the same laws that protect artists from denying services to us queer folks ALSO protects anyone who denies essential services/employment to us... can you tell me how you would neatly make it so that under absolutely NO circumstances are we denied services that will hurt our livelihoods? 3) And when businesses can post notes in their windows that tell queer people "You are not welcome here" or "Go somewhere where you are welcome"... that's segregation. It was segregation when it applied to people of color and is no different than when it's directed towards us. I'd quote MLK Jr. when he said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". I know it's just a freaking cake but there's more to it than just that.

[@sunnyboi2461]

@@KeilyShhh there's obviously more to this then it just being a cake. And no kidding, it doesn't the change facts all those things currently exist, that's why I'm glad I live in California where those things thankfully don't exist and with my work in politics, work to elect people to help try and fix those problems in this country. And I'll be honest, personally, I sort of agree that any private business should have the ability to serve or not serve whomever they want too, I mean we protect hate speech in this country, and if people want to be racist or sexist or homophobic then air those feelings out to everyone so we know where too or not too spend our money. And to your question of how to make sure that those laws that might protect those things don't interfere with people being denied essential services or civil rights or anything of that nature. If your part of a company, that is getting any sort of funds from the government, then you should be required to have to follow anti-discrimination laws, and that includes any places with SBA Loans or Govt Subsidies or a Federal Contract. Like I'd feel that would be the only way to get any sort of version of The Equality Act passed and have some protections at least when it comes to public services and those kinds of things you talked about.

[@MyJbryant]

I'm an atheist and I have 💯% respect for this guy standing up for his beliefs, convictions and principles.

[@lancec7027]

I'm also an atheist and I 100% agree with you. I am also okay with gay people getting married (honestly because I don't really give a shit what people do), so both people the right and the left give me shit. If this was a Muslim baker I would be saying the same thing. I am in support of everyone's right to believe whatever they want, I just do not want: 1. Laws based off of religion 2. Anyone's beliefs shoved down my kid's throat People need to lighten up...

[@dwayneoneil689]

@@lancec7027 Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

[@dwayneoneil689]

Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV) 14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

[@dwayneoneil689]

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

[@lancec7027]

@@dwayneoneil689 Quoting your religious book is not really making a point. Watch, I'll give an example: Luke 19:26-27 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Jesus sounded like a dick (but in the end, this is a book of fiction). Even though I was in support of this guy's (the baker) right to his beliefs (and everyone else's for that matter) you decide to push your faith on someone you don' know (and attempt to insult them by doing so). How "Christian" of you...

[@Yewon2001]

I'm a gay man and I'm on the baker's side. How about we force a Jewish bakery to bake a cake commemorating Hitler next? I heard those guys knew he wouldn't bake that cake and they just went there to stir up trouble. GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY!

[@pettyx008]

You're just a kiss ass to society because you hate yourself and to blend in.

[@tha1ne]

jfsfrnd I think you're missing the point lmao, it's not about hitler it's about forcing someone to make a msg they don't believe in

[@tha1ne]

thats part of it yeah, if the service in question forces the laborer to write something he or she dont wanna write lmao

[@tha1ne]

remember the baker was requested to bake a cake that said "i support gay marriage" or some shit like that. That's compelled speech lol

[@tha1ne]

O fuk, i stand corrected. Still, I agree with the decision tho, the supreme court's logic is pretty sound. Read here: www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html

[@lizzyt364]

I can’t believe that he had no choice but to get rid of wedding cakes all together. And it cost him 40% of his business 😮. He did the right thing though. They could’ve simply left the store because he has the right to refuse service at his own business. There’s so many other cake companies that do wedding cakes that support gay marriages! Smh they caused a whole lot of drama for nothing

[@lithium25693]

This is what life before anti discrimination laws for blacks was like for black ppl kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGSWgYFog6dletE&ab_channel=Vox

[@butterflyrw5393]

and Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days. the Israelites in the wilderness for 40 years. 40 YeARS. for an 11 day journey WHY ? but 40% of his business. hopefully he will get it back.

[@helimarsantiago9869]

lithium25693 God doesnt hate black people he hates sin.

[@bobjoe8966]

lithium25693 ok?

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

Maybe life before. But in today's market a lot of people will happily serve you as long as your money is good. Don't think that still applies.

[@proudstripes5874]

We are Not Government workers that do and bake what they force to , we have religious freedom and free speech. God bless this man for staying strong in his faith.

[@jayarthur1164]

Would you walk into a Jewish cake shop & expect them to make you a Jesus cake? Would walk into a Muslim cake shop & expect them to draw naked women on your cake? I wouldn't walk into an LGBT cake shop & expect them to make me something that goes against there beliefs. That's equality...

[@girlnotoftheworld2008]

Wondering if a gay bakery would make a Christian cake...

[@jayarthur1164]

@@girlnotoftheworld2008 I'm willing to bet many wouldn't have, but now that this happened some might change their mind to seem less bias

[@holdencenczyk1697]

*their

[@johanna__4299]

Equality is treating everyone equally, so a Jewish cake shop WOULD make a Jesus cake. A Muslim cake shop WOULD for whatever reason draw a woman on your cake. Those two religions both believe in being human. Being humans means you treat people kindly, fairly, and with respect (for the record so does Christianity).

[@barbarafrombiblestudy5142]

SLSLSKSKKSKSDBANDJJS JESUS WAS JEWISH IM SCREAMING BAHAHAHAH

[@iantempleton313]

All they had to do was go somewhere else! Drama queens.

[@mayattv4986]

Kings**

[@marcuslea6821]

Louie Salvador they both want to eat that dick, they’re drama QUEENS

[@PatrickBateman_PlaysFortnite]

@@marcuslea6821 LMAO

[@NotGahruvey]

Well when men are acting like women what did you expect lol. They should’ve went somewhere else there are plenty of gay bakers.

[@soniaperez1631]

Yeah no that’s discrimination at its worst . It’s disgusting that this still goes on . Humanity is so disappointing .

[@christopher1197]

I'm gay and I would never force someone to bake me a cake with a gay message on it if it's against their beliefs, there's thousands of cake shops that will happily bake a cake for LGBT people without being forced to. I respect people's beliefs and opinions even if we don't always agree.

[@cyberkkult]

ARTSYBOI96 TV true

[@cyberkkult]

Bobby Collins wtf how are you gonna tell them they’re not gay? That’s like me trying to convince you you’re straight. What a dumbass

[@ReplyGuy22345]

Bobby Collins in the nicest way possible, that coverage doesn’t extend to LGBT folks. They aren’t considered a protected caste

[@FHIPrincePeter]

Exactly. People have a right to disagree with you. Fortunately there enough competition not to be bothered by the lack of service from one supplier.

[@alBngnnuyn8070]

I share the same opinions with you. There are hundred or even thousands cake shops out there, which are willing to bake cakes for gay people. Why do we have to force people baking cakes when it goes against their religious beliefs? I am Catholic and I respect everyone's feelings on their sexual identities.

[@MosestheMuslim]

I am deeply concerned for the baker's safety. Leave the man alone. Forcing him to make a gay cake is also a discrimination against his faith.

[@thunder7302]

Government: You gotta create cakes for gay marriages Baker: *stops making wedding cakes* Savage.

[@marklara5328]

What a legend 👌🏼

[@Lucky210309]

That’s what should happen. He should sell wedding cakes to everyone or no one

[@zorothealpha420]

Robron He didn’t refuse to make them a cake 🤦‍♂️

[@jacklo2227]

@@Lucky210309 it's his right to refuse service. The guy isn't even homophobic he refuses to make cakes that represent homosexuality and anti-homosexuality

[@robronsuggle6897]

Zoro Agario he refused to make them a wedding cake he sells to other people. That's refusing service.

[@PaulDavid70]

Just from first impressions, the gay couple seems arrogant and like they're seeking a fight, whereas the Christian man seems humble and not looking to offend, just staying true to his convictions. I respect that.

[@TheTechnocrat78]

That's not really what happened.. he discriminated against them based upon his own subjective beliefs.. that's wrong.. the conservative-leaning Supreme Court got it wrong

[@Aqixtez]

The Jock, what so aren’t the gay couple all about “equality” and “freedom of speech”? They are taking that exact thing away from the man. He refused to make them a cake because of his religion in a country where you have freedom of speech. The hypocrisy is real from the gay couple.

[@TheTechnocrat78]

@@Aqixtez that's not material to the complaint. in this country, if you offer a service to the public, you can't be selective over who receives that service.. That violates someone civil liberties.. the Supreme Court knows that, that's why they made such a narrow ruling..

[@Aqixtez]

The Jock, “such a narrow ruling”. Yet they were still in favour of the Baker. If it were such a huge issue and if the gay couple did have a valid argument they would’ve won. Yet I don’t see them celebrating. No point in arguing if the legal system has gone in favour of the baker.

[@TheTechnocrat78]

@@Aqixtez actually, if you review the case, they didn't really favor the baker.. they found fault in the review process from the state of Colorado's civil rights division.. regardless, it was an arbitrary decision..

[@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo1085]

If GAYS aren't going to respect someone's religion then why should we respect them. Edit: I have homosexual friends, but they are very respectful and they would never go into a bakery, knowing the man was religion and force him to bake a cake.

[@leesteal4458]

I wouldn't respect them regardless.

[@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo1085]

Oh that's ok I don't judge unlike gays

[@theneverone]

It'sMeHere Yo The use of religion to kill LGBT+ people is why we generally don't blindly respect religious beliefs. It is dangerous to let people going about hating us because one day I could be beaten on the street because I choose to wear my rainbow shirt on the wrong day. Your " beliefs " hurt people my refusal to respect religion blindly hurts no one.

[@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo1085]

Well if you're walking on a public street that is a different story if you're wearing that on my property then that's a different story

[@theneverone]

It'sMeHere Yo So you are openly stating you would abuse someone for wearing a pride shirt provided they are on your property? Oh and don't try " it's my property and legally I can " If you beat up a 13 year old trying to get their basketball that accidentally rolled on your lawn If you abused a client you invited to your home If you shot your neighbor's dog for going on your lawn You know people would get furious with you. You are a bad person honestly

[@carolmk3114]

As a Christian I have the atmost respect to the baker. He did not compromise his core fundamental beliefs for popularity and to fit into social norms.

[@goranmilic442]

If a baker refuses to sell his cake for religious reasons to black couple because he thinks that black people shouldn't have any rights, would you be OK with that?

[@uai6107]

@@goranmilic442What religion believes that

[@goranmilic442]

@@uai6107 Christians in 19th century Southern USA believed that. Maybe those beliefs weren't really aligned with what Bible actually said, but they generally believed that, based on the myth of Noah and his sons. Since their religious beliefs were that black people shouldn't have any rights, should they be allowed to refuse to sell a cake to black couple? Yes or no?

[@uai6107]

@@goranmilic442 no

[@uai6107]

@@goranmilic442 Christianity does not state the hatred of black people. So youre wrong

[@user-pv7nf3gu8u]

He's recently been facing the same backlash over refusal to make a cake for a transexual's transfer...(whatever they call it) party. Leave the man alone! I'm sure everyone is well aware of his beliefs by now, stop bothering him just to get media attention. He's acting well within his rights. People expect him to respect their beliefs while stepping on and disregarding his?

[@itssauveur]

Lmao 😂💀😭😭😭💀 “transsexual transfer” 😂😂💀😂😂😂💀😂💀😂 I’m rolling

[@twd949]

That's the entitlement some few nutcrackers has today.. The play the victim card whenever the world doesn't give them whatever they want... Fucking cunts

[@AndDrew]

I like how he says, "I had never been treated this way before." Yet All the Baker did was apologize and say he couldn't make a wedding cake for them. He and his husband are the ones that cursed at him and tried to ruin his life by taking him to court. I can guarantee you, that specific cake shop was not their only option. If he didn't hurt you then leave him alone and drive 10 minutes down the road to another bakery that will serve you. Edit: Because of the conversations under this comment, I would like to add... He was not just refusing to serve them at all. He was refusing to sell them something symbolic (a wedding cake) of a practice that is taught from the bible to be between a man and a woman, and clearly that is not the case here and he doesn't want to go against his beliefs and so he refused to bake them a wedding cake. Whatever your religion or beliefs, I don't think that when someone knocks on your door and wants you to do something for them that you should have to do it, especially if it goes against something that you believe in and value. It seems like pretty common sense to me.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Andrews Random Day Is there any video of the actual incident in question? If not I’m just wondering why we are just blindly taking the bakers words as 100% truth and assuming that the gay couple are lying or just trying to bring problems to this baker.

[@AndDrew]

@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if they cursed at him but in the post they made on Facebook which they show in the video. It is very clear that they want as much hatred toward the baker and his bakery as possible otherwise they wouldn't ask for it. I do not think discrimination is right, but the reality of this situation is that no one was hurt and the reason for his discrimination of gay couples wanting wedding cakes was very specific and reasonable. He will serve them, he just won't serve them a wedding cake because of religious reasons. If this was about a doctor and not getting medical attention or something like that, then yes that is absolutely without a doubt wrong. But that just isn't the case here.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Andrews Random Day Well we have very different opinions on the meaning of the word reasonable. As an atheist I believe that we should all treat eachother as we would want to be treated. Aka, if he wouldn’t want to walk into a bakery and be denied service because he’s a Christian then he shouldn’t deny service to other innocent groups of people.

[@AndDrew]

@@mylifepostpain3705 I do not know if he would be a hypocrite in that sense but I would feel that is fair. If I am a Christian and deny a wedding cake to someone because of their choice, then someone doing the same to me because I am a Christian seems pretty "reasonable" to me.

[@marcar9marcar972]

Andrews Random Day this wasn't an accident. They knew he was Christian and went into the place because of that fact. They went into to further their own agenda.

[@cpvidscenteral]

I'm gay and this doesn't bother me. As long as you don't infringe on my ability to live my day to day life, I don't care what your views about my sexuality are. A business owner has the right to refuse service, period. They can just as easily not tell you why they're refusing service, they don't even owe you a reason.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

I agree and at the same time I don’t agree. I agree that he should be able to follow his religion but I also don’t want his religious beliefs and the religious beliefs of others to restrict which businesses I as a gay woman am welcome to use

[@cpvidscenteral]

@@mylifepostpain3705 the reality is it's their private property and service, and thus their right to deny service for any reason. If they don't want your money, take it elsewhere. If this were a widespread issue then that would require the need for dialogue about cultural shifts, but it isn't. The men that attacked this business owner were being divas. They knew they had other options but they milked this for what they could. All I know is, this cake designer would never make a cake for my wedding, and as a result he doesn't get my money. We're both happy.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Andrea Mendenhall He was the one restricting their freedom not the other way around.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Andrea Mendenhall no freedom should include everybody. Anti discrimation laws should apply to everybody as well though and Christians or any other religion should not be exempt from these laws regardless of what they believe in. No matter what you say I will always know in my heart and in my mind that what this baker did was WRONG

[@kevster288]

Could he refuse service to black people based on their race?

[@Natty10272]

I'm with the business owner. He has the right to refuse service and he has a right to say his faith. The guys should have just toughened up and go to another bakery

[@esteguey1982]

I'm gay and I didn't feel the baker had hatred in his heart, he politely said it was against his religion and the delivery of his message was very kind and well put. Me personally I would have been a little bit like wow but then i would have gone to another bakery......Anyone want to marry me!?😀

[@yugandharbeesetty905]

I am not gay, but if I was I would have totally married you for your way of thinking and positive and practical outlook on life. Cheers :)

[@esteguey1982]

yugandhar beesetty HA!!! Thanks man!! =D

[@pebblepod30]

Haha yeah 👍👍. This had nothing to do with Gay Marriage, it was 100% about forcing one's ideology onto others without their consent. It is exactly the same principle as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry, isn't it? I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that. I don't think anyone would want to be forced to support something they're against either (unless perhaps they freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not a Customer/ User). It's exactly the same as the 1st gay wedding couple forcing their values on others: buy a generic cake that he already made and use that to celebrate your party. The baker had took no issue with that. That's why I'm on the Left but don't support the Left: they often want double standards & to be given special treatment, and are willing to treat others baldy to do it. And they want to Force themselves onto others all the time. That is different from standing up for oneself, where others are forcing themselves upon me. They are always wanting to have victim status and use that to gain power over others....EVEN WHEN THEY ARE THE BULLIES. It is quite insane, IMO.

[@kyjo72682]

Yep. I don't think he was even discriminating. He just didn't offer specific product or service (a same-sex themed wedding cake). And he shouldn't be forced to make it. However if he just refused to serve them at all just because they were gay, that's wrong. They should have been able to buy any product he *was* offering.

[@pebblepod30]

kyjo72682 That's a really good point and a simpler way to put it. Not sure if you read what I wrote, but I put it it as the difference between buying an already ready made product (which was in harmony with his philosophy) vs one he could make (which maybe was not). I gave the example of a vegan artist being forced to make a Sculpture for to celebrate the Meat Industry.

[@Jack-jw2no]

Poor baker! I have Gay friends and they would respect the bakers rights!!!! These two people are rude!!

[@andyiswonderful]

Your gay friends hate your guts.

[@tylerdavis8772]

@@andyiswonderful uhhhhhhhhhh😤🤪😩

[@cyberkkult]

That’s just how the lgbt community be sometimes, I’m talking about some people, others are really nice and respect other people’s opinions

[@theneverone]

I put my rights as a Human over some idiots " religious freedom "

[@HR-mp4wv]

@R Berg i think they wouldn't they just hate lgbt people :p

[@yaksnacks2466]

“This isn’t about a cake. This is about the right to equal service.” Do you have the “right” to force someone to make you a cake? Jeez Edit: I made this like 2 years ago. I just want to make it clear that I support the couple. I’m not going to change my original comment because why would you want to force someone to make you a cake who doesn’t want to? They’re gonna spit in it or something! Don’t trust such a spiteful person with such an important part of your wedding. That’s all. Best of luck to the couple and good energy to everybody in the comments. Much love 😊

[@riskleaf6079]

Kinda? If it's based of race/religion they legally can not refuse because of older Supreme justice cases. Sexuality is up in the air though.

[@starcraft998thegamer5]

Amen

[@gabbycraft7035]

I mean, if they were to ask for a b-day cake or something and he refused then that’d be a different story. This is a wedding cake of something he disagrees with.

[@gabbycraft7035]

Axel Smith this is completely different. You CHOOSE to marry someone of the same gender. You don’t choose your race. He disagrees with their choice.

[@kentellrobinson7094]

@Axel Smith he didn't refuse service to them just a wedding cake you can't apply this to race

[@Pacifica74]

I'm so happy for the baker!! Go Christian soldier! God bless you.

[@udhav423]

*bigot soldier

[@hellohowareyou7495]

@@udhav423 heretic

[@ILoveLuhaidan]

Allah Akbar

[@hellohowareyou7495]

@@ILoveLuhaidan repent

[@ILoveLuhaidan]

@@hellohowareyou7495 I am muslim, Jesus is the prophet of god

[@TheNightshotBR]

Government should stay out of private businesses, period.

[@torb1trick415]

yeah so i can finally buy drugs from the corner shop without the government knowing

[@baenaenae5801]

@@torb1trick415 you sound like a fuckwit

[@theQuestion626]

@Arlindo Melo Well when private business stops fucking over people for bullshit reasons maybe it will.

[@PiperAtTheGatesOfYourMom]

theQuestion626 commie

[@theQuestion626]

@Tyler Bone bootlicker.

[@namenotimportant9295]

This could’ve been resolved if the couple just walked out and found a new bakery to do there wedding cake instead of having the global argument

[@maggiemoran7747]

it's how the Outrage Brigade works. They don't choose their battles. They fight every single damn one of them. That's not normal.

[@MyNameIsNotDamien]

The baker could have just baked a cake as well. Both sides are being stubborn

[@andyiswonderful]

@Maaa- Except that he was breaking the law. The Supreme Court ruled on a very narrow issue that they felt the local law enforcement was overzealous. So, if law enforcement had acted more dispassionately, the court would have upheld the law.

[@dewolf123]

@@MyNameIsNotDamien He didn't have to bake anything

[@alphagamma4582]

@@andyiswonderful I wonder why the couple chose that bakery in particular? Referral? Only one in town? Or luck of the draw?

[@0h2ezy]

They don’t see their own bigotry... there is no right to cake

[@pebblepod30]

lamontshandy EXACTLY 👍👍. It is the same & as wrong as FORCING a Vegan Artist to make a Sculpture especially to celebrate the Meat Industry. I am becoming Vegan & wouldn't want that (unless I freely signed a Contract as a paid employee, not as a customer or user).

[@israelmumpe1636]

U guys are just extremely crazy.....its his faith, I would also do the same

[@shandrag6329]

These guys are such hypocrites they want the baker to accept them, but they don’t accept the bakers religious beliefs. This world is getting really sad.

[@Nightcre]

Religion is a choise being gay is not but its hard to debate because ether side wins

[@sholos4478]

@@Nightcre Buying a cake is a choice,

[@PvtParts-px4jy]

@@Nightcre they could have gone to another vake store

[@perryoparsonneseatingjuicy8738]

Angeleyez cosmetics you do realize the couple THEMSELVES could be devoutly Christian? In which case the baker and the couple would share the same religious beliefs. I can tell you, the majority of homosexuals are not atheists. Additionally, you could argue this back and forth all day. “They want the baker to accept them but they don’t accept the baker’s beliefs”. People in opposition of that could just say “the baker wants them to accept his beliefs, yet he won’t accept them”. You make a weak case for perpetuating discrimination. Almost as shallow an argument as those advising them to just “go to another bakery”. Well, since refusing certain services to them is ok for this bakery, what if every store was run by someone who shared this man’s beliefs? (you’d find some in the south). Then they’d have no where to go. Why rely on people to individually chose whether their business implements discriminatory policies or not? If your views impede the services people should otherwise be entitled to, perhaps business practices actually should be a bit more regulated. Dumb business move on his part, anyway. The practice of selling commodities should transcend all bias and focus solely on products and profit. I mean, where do you draw the line? The baker stated he’d sell them anything but a cake, since cake was a symbol of their marriage, but what if the couple asserted they would instead purchase a mound of brownies and substitute their wedding cake for that. Would he still have sold them to the couple? Had they come back to that place to have a nice dessert on their honeymoon, and clearly made the baker aware of the occasion, would they still have been served then? Sure, I’m against murder, but say I owned a hardware store and an individual walked in aiming to purchase some of my most expensive gardening tools, doing so respectfully and fairly, but he happened to be a murderer, I would sell them to him anyway, not allowing my personal bias to hinder my sale of goods and the fulfillment of his needs. Now of course, if he intended to use these tools maliciously I would be personally obliged not to sell them to him, since the consequences of doing so would be the injury or death of another person, but in the context of this video, no one was going to potentially suffer as a result of selling the couple a cake. So, despite being against murder, just as I would sell the gardening tools to a person who had once killed and now wishes to tend to his garden, what is right for a business is objectiveness and if a couple walks in wishing to buy a cake, unless they were planning to light candles atop the frosting and burn down a church with it, I believe in selling it to them regardless of personal bias since morality is arbitrary and subjective and should not play a part in running a business.

[@andyiswonderful]

It is called the law, stupid.

[@djamenialmeida1176]

May God protect this baker and bless his business.

[@chrissiedemitro4235]

And restore everything that he has lost 10 fold we stand in agreement 🙏

[@helimarsantiago9869]

Amen

[@Em12312]

Djameni Almeida he will blessed for It, he stood firm❤️

[@FernandoLopez-wi6pb]

God isn’t real

[@jerof5497]

Atheist do have a purpose for living, it simply isn’t kneeling to a crucified jew you have never seen or met

[@ryomathelobsterlord2502]

Just go to another bakery. It’s not that hard Crazy people smh

[@lisahertel2415]

Ryoma The Lobster Lord they wanted to stir up trouble

[@africaisacontinent2149]

They are so into them selves

[@TheTrainedLamb]

Nowadays we gotta bend over for these people

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

Do you say that to an interrcial couple, if a baker doesn't approve of marriage between the races? Over 40 million Americans still believe God opposes miscegenation. And what if it's. one-horse town with only one bakery, and it's a 140 mile drive to the next, and THEY don't serve gays or blacks either?

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

@@africaisacontinent2149 For wanting fair and equal treatment? I hardly think so. The baker broke the law.

[@robbob287]

I’m really thankful and happy brother Jack won!! Praise the Lord!! Blessings from Canada 🇨🇦

[@childinchrist7335]

i feel so sad about this as a christian that he lost so much for his belief but thanks be to God that he kept his faith

[@helpmereach1ksubswithnovid581]

god doesn't exist

[@holygrimreaper6103]

Help me reach 1k subs with no videos! You need to understand that people have their religious beliefs. As your saying. I don’t give a damn that you are an atheist.

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

But which god? Is it the Catholic god who sends you to burn in Hell for eternity if you remarry after a no-fault divorce or practise birth control, or the Anglican god who plays favourites and allows you into the eternal paradise of Heaven, _after doing exactly the same thing?_

[@holygrimreaper6103]

Derek Williams I extremely doubt that’s how that works. Catholic and other branches are the same for Christianity. The same God. I think that as Long a after your mistakes you don’t do them again and pray for forgiveness you should be fine.

[@DerekWilliamsMusic]

Spartan Gaming - You're wrong in thinking it's the "same god", but if it is then he plays favourites with Anglicans by allowing them to divorce, practise birth control and women's ordination. I am afraid every religion believes only theirs is correct and all the others are wrong. Otherwise there is no reason for there being over 40,000 denominations of Christianity who cannot even agree on divorce, women's ordination, and birth control, let alone same-sex marriage. On that last matter, there are dozens of Christian denominations and quite a few Jewish synagogues who welcome LGBT+ parishioners with full sacraments including ordination to the clergy and same-sex marriage. Why shouldn't their deeply held religious belief be respected every bit as much as yours? Then we can look at the over 70 branches of Islam, and the conficting branches of Judaism, not to mention a plethora of other religions like Buddhism and Hinduism, who all have different rules on the same subjects.

[@courageagbeyebiawo4104]

It was intentional. They wanted the attention that's it because they could have literally gone to any other bakery they wanted.

[@melaniefulginiti8426]

courage agbeyebiawo exactly!👍🏻

[@andyiswonderful]

Missing the point entirely. Try again, this time, use your little bitty brain.

[@SunMonkeyInc]

@@andyiswonderful what point exactly?

[@szaing4029]

courage agbeyebiawo is it illegal to speak up about what they didn’t like about the bakery?

[@SunMonkeyInc]

@@szaing4029 what he meant was that instead of having the government make him go against his beliefs in his private business they could've gone some other Baker

[@Topofthelinetommy]

As a gay Republican this cake maker has the right to refuse service. For the couple they can take their business elsewhere. Money is green at the end of the day and if the owner doesn't want it then take it somewhere else. These gays are being dramatic. Not everyone agrees, THATS OKAY.

[@Lucky210309]

Tommy Ferrigno as a gay republican you need to learn the law. You can’t tell a woman “you can have anything in my store but not this one thing” because that’s discrimination. In states where you can’t discriminate against gay people you can’t say “have anything in my store but this one thing that’s only for straights”. That’s discrimination and no business has the right to refuse service to people because of their sex, race, religion and in states like Colorado Sexuality. He broke the law and the couple had every right to sue him

[@iwanpbb]

but you can denied service to anyone for whatever reasons. You can't go to a fancy restaurant dressed like hobo.

[@Topofthelinetommy]

@@Lucky210309 you need to pull your head out of your ass and stop listening to Hillary. If he doesn't want to do based on religious beliefs go somewhere else! If doesn't want to take money that's his issue. You need to not be a fucking snowflake grow some balls and suck it up, not everyone in life will agree with and that is what makes the world go around. If you cannot handle that go to your safe space

[@personaldove]

@@Topofthelinetommy These entitled punks embarrass me as a gay person.

[@shashank.k2509]

@@Lucky210309 it's his to decide... Not yours

[@gavinperry8433]

Would you go in a hindu restaurant and demand beef ? Or a Muslim on and demand pork? Why should the Christian baker forced against his religion He was ready to serve them, was polite to them...... Just didn't agree to make a wedding cake because of what his religion says about it

[@gavinperry8433]

@Quint Zed that's your opinion and that's completely fine..... But he should not be forced to abide by that

[@gavinperry8433]

@Quint Zed I understand it's your opinion

[@julcan1987]

People nowadays don't know the real meaning of the word bigot.

[@sthnwatch]

Julio Cantu I agree with you and I picked up on this ages ago. A Bigot is "Superstitious and Religious Hypocrite.", and this guy was not being hypocritical at all. He was expressing his religious convictions. He was not being superstitious either.

[@kalamukieta7997]

Not at all, it's wild how twisted thing are today

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Ken Richard We are allowed to speak out against his beliefs if we want to. Free speech applies to us too

[@theuberlord7402]

London Girl If you want, but enforcing your views against him is wrong.

[@fironfiron8843]

@@sthnwatch Of course it is against your religion. So is lying ! So is having sex before marriage! So is ............ John 8:7 “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” This was the response of Jesus to the heinous dogs who wanted to stone an adulteress. You are putting in religion where it doesn't belong!

[@johnnycake3915]

The baker should sue for lost revenue.

[@KP-zd3hc]

johnny cake no he won't. He's a Christian. Unlike those guys, he has a forgiving heart.

[@rusty7984]

Highly doubt that he looks like a guy that would forgive and forget

[@robronsuggle6897]

He can't do that lmao. The couple did nothing wrong.

[@johnnycake3915]

Robron Suggle he can 100% sue the state.

[@Nathangoldstein2]

Robron Suggle Yep I used to support gay rights but when people act this way and become demanding they lose my support. How evil must you be to try and destroy this man like this?

[@fergusferguson5304]

Furious? They purposely went to multiple bakers until they would find one that would deny the request. Professional victims, I’m glad they lost.

[@johnfountain5770]

This thing was staged by the LGBTQ organization. The are pushing!

[@yojeffrow5505]

I love reading all the lies and homophobia. You know you can not like something and still tolerate it.

[@yojeffrow5505]

@Fat fuck who wants 50,000 subs without videos No good reason? They were asking this guy to bake them a wedding cake. One of the centerpieces of what will be one of the biggest days of their lives. See that's what I think people like you don't understand. You lack the ability to put yourself in their shoes. They wanted the same treatment any heterosexual couple have received. They didn't get it. It's using religion to discriminate. Plain and simple. Not right in my eyes, but he's legally allowed to do it.

[@yojeffrow5505]

@Fat fuck who wants 50,000 subs without videos Plus all he had to do was say no I didn't like the way they were acting. He has the right to refuse service. But he had to make it about them being gay. Why? To prove a point?

[@druv]

@@yojeffrow5505 are you dumb why cant people like you understand that the man had the right to not make a wedding cake for them.A man should never be force to turn his head away from his religious principals just to not hurt peoples feelings and plus wouldn't it be also religious discrimination because they were trying to get him to change his beliefs by trying to get him to make them a wedding cake

[@moonbeam2742]

Thank God he won in the end. What a strong, courageous man. Hope he can put traditional wedding cakes back in business too, and never have a problem like that again.

[@romaniangod5649]

He is trash and must be shut down for good and canceled

[@sr2291]

He did not win in the end. The Colorado Commission made disparaging comments about Jack and his religion so they threw the case out and made a narrow decision only for the baker and only for this one time.

[@davemustaine9687]

I'm Christian and I 100% support that baker!

[@davemustaine9687]

@Twisty The Clown how about you take a second and look up who Dave Mustaine is buddy.

[@davemustaine9687]

@Twisty The Clown Google m8

[@johnrain7308]

WWJD

[@mylifepostpain3705]

Dave Mustaine So you support him just because you are a Christian. You do know that Christians aren’t as special and wonderful as they seem to think they are right? Everybody is equal and everybody should have to be treated equally by law when in a business open to the public. You can’t tell gay people that they can have anything in the shop they want except for this product this product and this product because that is offering them a lesser service and is discrimination. Whether the discrimination is based on your religious beliefs or not is besides the point. If it’s in the shop/on the menu then it should be sold to all regardless of faith, sexuality or skin colour. Obviously there are some exceptions, ie, messages of degradation and hate towards any person or group of people should not have to be conveyed etc.

[@iztjx26]

@@mylifepostpain3705 if the baker was muslim you would side with him

[@Ah1My-Spinach-Puffs1]

You realize there is more than ONE bakery in Denver right?

[@brendanbloomberg3283]

Well only one that you could get denied service at and then do the Clinton Book Tour about it...

[@Listed_Gamer]

Omg. The man is so sweet. Whoever sent him death threats are below human

[@unofficialmarcel]

u below human vaporeon. :)

[@unofficialmarcel]

o ya and fuck u

[@Listed_Gamer]

@@unofficialmarcel Oh Ya Mate Me de evol 1

[@yojeffrow5505]

Correct. He doesn't deserve death threats. But if his religion is telling him gays aren't as good as "regular" people, his religion is polluting his mind into being a bad person.

[@timothyfarrand8407]

@@unofficialmarcel is a triggered gay boy. You type tough but I'm sure you're just a little sweetheart

[@Onetalld1984]

As a gay man myself I think it’s ridiculous to force someone’s hand to bake you a wedding cake if they don’t respect your choice of who you chose to marry. Don’t you want people in your wedding ceremony because they are happy for you? Both of you ? I would turn around and tell the baker: Fine, It’s you’re business’ loss then.

[@subhojitdas264]

Do u also agree with jim crow

[@authenticallysuperficial9874]

​@subhojitdas264 jim crow was government-enforced discrimination, not government-permitted descrimination. They are worlds apart

[@Korok96]

These gay guys are so rude. Look at what they did to this man all because of a cake.

[@GA-ju7hf]

Well, really, it's all because they didn't get their way in a world/bubble that tells them how special they are.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

austin mattingly The baker made all the wrong choices. Don’t blame others for your own choices and their repercussions

[@GA-ju7hf]

@@mylifepostpain3705 Your name says it all. How's the knifing over there? You fools banned guns now people are stabbing everyone. Up over 1000% and i'm sure you see it all over the news. Your area is so shite you need to worry about your own godless country.

[@GA-ju7hf]

It's not even rude. It's entitled.

[@mylifepostpain3705]

G A says the man whose from a country where a mass shooting happens literally every week. Yes we have a knife problem, which is actually getting better due to new laws passed two weeks ago. Where as Donald Duck in the White House thinks it’s still too premature to talk about gun control. How many people need to die before Americans pull their fingers out of their asses and actually do something about it?!

Im gay and hell I wouldn’t have baked a cake for this flame.

[@lunadexelaju3494]

Hahaha!! 😅 yaaaas!

[@sarasita7779]

Lol 🤣🤣

[@baltsosser]

Not every customer is a good customer. That was one of the things I was taught when I went to motorcycle industry training. In fact, they suggested it was more than ok to tell a customer he might do better at another shop and send them traveling in that direction. Customers come with baggage, same as shops do. Sometimes the baggage isn't worth their coin.

[@planetagonzo]

This was so unfair to the baker.

[@pastorbri]

why?

[@planetagonzo]

@pastor brian I'm not Christian. But I do have a deep respect for any person believes.My mom is Cristian. If the person is not harming anybody and being respectful with others, why not? Why they didn't go to a muslim bakery? He didn't refuse to do the cake. Only to do the decoration, because it was against his beliefs. Here in America, we want to respect other religions that are less tolerant, but ridicules Christian faith. The man looks, like a kind hearted guy. By the way my best friend is super gay and agree with me, those two are attention whores.

[@pastorbri]

@@planetagonzo most gay people agree with me.....if he is a buisness he should obay the law.....otherwise why own a buisness?

[@planetagonzo]

pastor brian sorry you can refused service to any person. That’s the law as well. They did it with malicious intentions. They look so entitled. Why they didn’t did this with a Muslim baker or a Jew baker. The result it was going to be the same. He didn’t discriminated them. Can you respect someone religion? Because if not your a bigot as well.

[@pastorbri]

@@planetagonzo not by law, sorry

[@jacobeyres8778]

Why should someone's right to buy a cake trump someone's right to freedom of religion? Its hypocritical to say its discrimination of your sexuality, when you're discriminating based on the bakers religion. There are dozens of bakers to choose from, it wouldn't have taken much to say 'That's a shame, but we respect your rights. We will go somewhere else' As a right leaning libertarian, if you want to have a same-sex marriage fine, that's your right. But you can't go into a church/mosque/synagogue/bakery/florist and force them to hold or be involved in the ceremony, in the same way as a Christian/Muslim/Jew can't force you to go to their religious ceremony Tolerance works both ways. If you want people to be tolerant of how you live your life, you need to be tolerant of how others live their life, whether you agree with their decisions or not, thats just basic human respect

[@JavaughnAnderson]

You're my new best friend

[@jacobeyres8778]

@@JavaughnAnderson haha, thanks 😅

[@cathydavis772]

Thank you. Just follow your FAITH. ITS NOT DISCRIMANATION ITS THE TRUTH. GOOD JOB

[@amalnasser4118]

Cathy Davis it’s not discriminating to not make a wedding cake for a gay couple? Seems pretty discriminating to me

[@cyberkkult]

Amal Nasser it’s his belief and besides, the baker politely told them that he would make them a cake so long as it wasn’t specifically a wedding one. They could’ve just gone to another bakery. I’m not discriminating but lgbt people really need to learn to respect others opinions instead of making big deals out of everything.

[@cathydavis772]

@@cyberkkult Thank you. It is there belief and there faith. Be Blessed

[@cyberkkult]

Cathy Davis amen

[@jessejames6048]

@@cathydavis772 I am so glad I gave up my religion, I want to love all people & not hate groups...