The List: Who Killed JonBenét?l 20/20 l PART 5

[@marissamillerr]

The way this case was handled triggers me so badly

[@Garbeaux.]

Should it come with a trigger warning?

[@keylimetea]

I believe the crime scene should’ve been handled better, no one should’ve been let in the home, and they should’ve been told to leave things alone until further notice for possible evidence of fingerprints or traces left behind by the killer. Completely insane.

[@cellblocknine5385]

Triggered little liberal

[@keylimetea]

@@cellblocknine5385 if your daughter was murdered you wouldn’t be saying that

[@madelinetramantano8302]

THATS BECAUSE THE RAMSEYS HAVE LOTS OF MONEY.

[@Anastashya]

If the Ramsey’s were poor people they’d have been dragged to the police station.

[@eiffelviolet]

I hope not. That's classist.

[@deanobannon842]

Only if poor people didn't know their rights

[@jarnold1789]

@@deanobannon842 Poor people don't tend to have lawyer friends giving them council

[@deanobannon842]

@@jarnold1789 if you can't afford a lawyer a court will give you a lawyer. All u need to know is your 5th amendment right. Right to remain silent

[@dzetagamma4287]

@@deanobannon842 but why you would want to remain silent if you're inoccent? I wonder how the police did not require a lie detector!! They still can do it now!

[@anthonym187]

They should’ve literally just made this into one video the parts are stupid

[@Nightshade1881]

More money

[@cellblocknine5385]

Mo money dawg

[@redmarilynn]

*anthony M* I'm thankful for all uploaders who bring us news and stories, whilst we sit back and watch

[@cellblocknine5385]

@@redmarilynn Thank you for your positivity. You are a kind soul.

[@redmarilynn]

@@cellblocknine5385 xx

[@sweetlullaby5156]

just because you had cancer, it doesn't mean that you can't kill someone.

[@sweetlullaby5156]

@Angie Miller right back at ya!

[@wanda4573]

@Vineeta Whyte well you dont have the energy to kill some one. I kinda feel it was the son.

[@vha3742171]

Her parents didn't kill her nor her brother.

[@lennarthagen3638]

@Vineeta Whyte Wow just wow how can u say this?

[@chrismclellanart]

Maybe she was on some cancer meds taht cause aggression and she freaked out on her daughter under stress from Christmas

[@destroyerofheroes]

so this basically just recaps everything we already know.

[@Algo1]

not even half what we know, but yes. Nothing new. Maybe except for the "now what" part of the 911 call. This case makes me mad

[@destroyerofheroes]

@@Algo1 makes me mad too, this should've been solved years ago. They tried to turn this more into a story about the 2 grandchildren of the detective, which I guess is a pretty compelling story until you realize that they probably aren't really professional detectives.

[@theduskymaiden]

Yep and we fell for it ...

[@sweetlullaby5156]

yeah..they just added the granddaughters of the lead investigator

[@yasminjohnson7527]

Basically! But we know the parents did it, it just didn't stick, so sad!

[@heyitsrii7615]

The whole family knows what happened. You can tell just by their eyes (especially the father’s) and how they acted.

[@mytomp]

Yes I can see that too

[@user-jc8py7dw7r]

Nah.

[@anniejuan1817]

Yes, absolutely. I watched an interview of the dad some years ago. He was asked if he knew who killed JonBenet. His mouth managed to form the word "No", but his head was nodding Yes, giving away the lie.

[@pennnatvet]

@@anniejuan1817 He did it! No doubt! And invited all the people knowingly to make sure the scene is so contaminated, they will never find anything.... Patsy knew about it, but like every other abused wife did not dear to utter a word. She died of broken heart I am sure...

[@debrak8521]

@@pennnatvet Gee you know so much about the Ramsey's don't you?.

[@FightsRightsAlways]

The sad part is, we probably will NEVER know who did it. All we'll ever get is speculation and theories. R.I.P angel.

[@Simplirite]

We know... they're just not in jail for it. That's what happens when you have money and sympathy.

[@xxxxx262]

Please parents didn’t it that’s why they were indicted.

[@yasminjohnson7527]

Exactly

[@yasminjohnson7527]

@@Simplirite exactly

[@youbyoubalancedliving9700]

We know. FBI knows, just don’t have evidence to convict.

[@haileejacob1995]

If you thought your child has been kidnapped and you’re looking all over for them, including in your other child’s room, why wouldn’t you wake up your other child and ask if they saw or heard anything? Why wouldn’t you get them out of their room and have them stay with you to keep them safe as well?

[@chitasha116]

Very good point

[@shilohashkita2625]

Excellent point!

[@TheDolphingirl28]

No point speculating or stating the facts .it's proven that the parents have not been involved In evidence and detective themselves

[@freddie3206]

Exactly! Especially in a big house like that, you are going to leave your other kid upstairs alone in his bedroom until the police arrive. The Ramsey's had no fear because they knew there was no intruder.

[@freddie3206]

@@TheDolphingirl28 Wake up and smell the coffee. Of course the parents were involved.

[@LifesPeachy321]

1:32 It's always peculiar to me when someone "cries" without tears! I can hold back my sobbing, but my tears come regardless. IDK...my gut says the parents had something to do with it!

[@bigboynoah4698]

Same or i think it was the brother for some reason but i think the parents had some to do with it

[@darkhorse9472]

@@bigboynoah4698 Evidence doesn't care what you 'think' happened. DNA evidence cleared all Ramseys over a decade ago. Hopefully you never sit on a jury, people like you are why there are innocent people in prison.

[@darkhorse9472]

@jo blo This isn't about you. Evidence doesn't care what your 'gut says'. Hopefully you never sit on a jury, people like you are why there are innocent people in prison.

[@LifesPeachy321]

@@bigboynoah4698 I think they at least know more than they are letting on. Maybe they are protecting their son.

[@jarnold1789]

@@darkhorse9472 I think it's been well and clearly established that there was a lot of crime scene contamination that occurred. Do you really believe that the evidence clearly exonerates the parents? From what I have seen, the conclusion of the DNA evidence is objectively unclear

[@fireflymiesumae]

I hope that in the future there's technology that can be used to uncover the final evidence

[@beckywebb1916]

They already have it. Cece Moore does this. She takes the DNA and traces it through registries of potential relatives. They’ve solved a lot of cold cases that way.

[@fireflymiesumae]

@@DarkHumorWritesItself I mean technology that can tell what time what DNA or fiber was left at the crime scene so that the police can rule out suspects

[@westnblu]

@@fireflymiesumae Well if the intruders' DNA is not in the DNA register and this person never gets convicted of another crime the chances of finding this person is next to zero. Many suspects its important to note have already been cleared of involvement in this murder because their DNA did not match the DNA found in the crime scene including the Ramsey family themselves.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@fireflymiesumae CODIS only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found in several spots and on different surfaces of different clothing as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. All Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others.

[@KearaSweetDreams]

All that fake crying the mother did & not one actual tear was shed.

[@Eliminator5555]

I don't doubt that the mother deeply grieved the loss. But she was definitely involved nonetheless. I think the special from a year or so ago that concluded Burke Ramsey was responsible and the parents covered for him got it right.

[@redmarilynn]

*Keara* You must be blind and heartless if you didn't see the tears in her eyes. The fact that they didn't fall down her face is not an indication that she was not grief-stricken. Have some compassion for the mother whose little girl had been brutally murdered.

[@KearaSweetDreams]

@@redmarilynn there was definitely not one tear shed. I’m not having any compassion for her because I believe she helped cover the crime up. Based on the comment section other people do too. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine.

[@redmarilynn]

@@KearaSweetDreams Yes, many others think like you - and not one of you have the knowledge nor proof that Patsy was involved in any way. I hope you are never called for jury service. Shame on the lot of you.

[@cellblocknine5385]

Bullshit no matter what happened I am sure she was legitimately devastated. She isn't a heartless woman who hated her daughter. She obviously loved Jonbenet very much and was deeply saddened by her death.

[@JoViiisss1087]

Why is abc news so annoying and do it in parts. Why no put and ur long video. I always have to be looking for the parts 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@DallasRabot]

You have to watch it on Hulu, their website or on TV

[@redmarilynn]

*Judge* Aw, poor you. A precious little girl was brutally assaulted and bludgeoned to death - and you winge about having to look for the parts; which incidentally would have taken 2 seconds to move your cursor to wherever the other parts are listed and click.

[@JoViiisss1087]

@@redmarilynn right?

[@redmarilynn]

@@JoViiisss1087 To make it easier and less effort for you to follow, I have amended my comment.

[@JoViiisss1087]

@@redmarilynn 💁🏼‍♀️😚😙

[@murdermysterieswithmegan141]

"Do you think a parent would get up in the middle of the night and slaughter their child?" In my mind when Jon Ramsey said that I'm thinking, well just ask Chris Watts.....

[@darkhorse9472]

There is zero evidence the Ramseys had anything to do with JonBenet's heinous murder. Zero. Unlike Chris Watts who was having an affair...video of him loading his truck with his wife's body....oh, and his confession. #evidencematters #knowthefacts #justiceforjonbenet

[@murdermysterieswithmegan141]

@@darkhorse9472 actually, the police even looked at them for the murder and the jury recommended based on the evidence against them that they be charged with the involvement of her murder. It was later over ruled but there was evidence including the ransom note that was written using Patsy's notebook and much more that has not been released to the public. However regardless of what happened, the fact of the matter is that this is tragic and there are cases that parents have done this and his comment about a parent slaughtering their own child not being a possibility, is absurd.

[@nicklucking1891]

Many jury’s choose to indict and the DA chooses not to. Alex Hunter knew there was insufficient evidence to indict the family on anything related to the crime. The last thing a DA wants is an angry bunch of people trying to fry an innocent family to justify a murder

[@bruggeman672]

Murder & Mysteries with Megan Watts didn't go to sleep before killing his family and was having an affair. the two cases have precisely nothing in common..

[@darkhorse9472]

@@murdermysterieswithmegan141 First of all, six highly qualified professionals hired by Boulder Authorities and the FBI determined Patsy, John, or Burke Ramsey did not write the ransom note. Chief Beckner confirmed that the investigation had retained the services of Chet Ubowski, Leonard Speckin, Edwin Alford, and Richard Dusack, Howard Ryle and Lloyd Cunningham to perform handwriting analysis and comparisons. Not ONE of the examiners identified any of the Ramseys as the author of the ransom note. - Former DA Alex Hunter's deposition 11/27/01 Second- the Ramseys were NOT indicted. The jury voted to indict, but the District Attorney did not file charges. He refused to sign the true bill. Why? There was no evidence the Ramseys committed a crime. During a grand jury hearing, no judge is present; the proceedings are led by a prosecutor; and the defendant has no right to present his case or in many instances, to be informed of the proceedings at all. Therefore, grand juries vote to indict 99.9% of the time, so their vote to indict ANYONE means squat. The United States (only half of the states actually employ them) and Liberia are the only 2 countries that retain grand juries. Why? Because they're flawed. Useless. A waste of taxpayer's money. DNA from an unknown male left at the crime scene eliminated, CLEARED all Ramseys as suspects long ago. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and others. You can't eliminate SOME suspects, and not others. You can write insignificant statements and lies for days, it doesn't change the fact that the Ramseys are innocent and have been cleared. Boulder Police do not consider the Ramseys suspects, and the heinous homicide of this little girl is an open and on-going investigation. M&M with Megan, if you have scientific evidence the Ramseys murdered their daughter, or had anything to do with her murder, or knew about her murder, contact the Boulder Police Department Tipline at 303-441-1974 or [e-mail]. If you have information but wish to remain anonymous, contact the Northern Colorado Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). Tips may also be submitted through Crime Stoppers.

[@timidhamster2003]

"I called the 911, now what?" why didn"t they let us hear that part of the phone call? I only heard the 911 dispatcher's voice ?

[@lorishu48103]

Audible recording not great. A lot of folks noticing the shoddy police work, audio. I feel like we can all realize that this patchwork EMS, police work is the norm if this is what rich white (upper crust) family received I can't imagine what those in Detroit receive. I'm not saying I know the answer to fix the police or EMS (ambulance, dispatch) or preserve crime scenes but I do know that a lot more resources would be needed for quality improvements in forensic justice. Resources don't seem to flow that way however but to people's political campaigns and images not local services to help local people calling 911. Images just like the one the family maintained.

[@r.c.miller6161]

Perfectly normal question for Patsy to ask John. He was almost 20 years older than her and the head of the household. She was looking to him for guidance.

[@marissamillerr]

sucks that if this happened today we would know who did it almost right away

[@christiansoldier77]

Marissa Miller No you wouldnt . The case was mishandled if it were today it would be the same result

[@marissamillerr]

k

[@jaywithani2753]

@@anoni6108 that’s because of what happened back then you idiot 🤦🏾‍♀️😂 what this person is saying is that if it happened now, the police work would have been better and the contamination wouldn’t have even been allowed to happen.

[@js4845]

@@jaywithani2753 i would say you're the idiot because they've solved crimes from DNA saved 30 years ago. The DNA in jon benets underwear

[@jaywithani2753]

@@js4845 what are you even on about? 😂 you’re not making any sense. First you said the dna was unclear and if the case happened in today’s time it would be the same. And now you’re on about dna from jonbenets body? Bro what has this got to do with anything? If it happened today, most likely the police work would have been better and the police would not have let all those people come over. The dna all over the house and on jonbenets body would be way less contaminated and they would be able to use our technology today fi’s solve the crime

[@AshBbyCat]

They failed to mention the paper the ransom note was written on was paper in the house as well. What kidnapper takes the time to write 3 pages long in their house ?? Insane. I’ve followed this case for a really long time and it’s sad cause whatever patsy knows she took to the grave.

[@inescesnjaj1596]

Exactly! Ransom was written by Patsy, it has too much similiarities of her handwriting. Even the phrase "Not particulary" she uses, was in a ransom.

[@dzetagamma4287]

''he '' was feeling comfy.. also to walk around and search for brushes and hidden rooms in the basement.... I wonder how ''he '' came up with the ransom sum 118.000 dollars .... did ''he'' expected 2.000 dollars as a tipp??

[@vha3742171]

They didn't kill her DNA proved that.

[@dzetagamma4287]

@@vha3742171 how her DNA proved that?? Can you send me the link?? Or you speak something heard from someone- her father wasted all of the DNA possible probes, which may have shown who the killer is!!

[@dzetagamma4287]

the case is really obvious even for the ordinary people, I wonder why nobody have done anything to solve the case. not to mention that there were also no-forsed-entry spots in the house

[@TheAimeex]

i believe the husband has done something here, been involved with other people , the note was written by the mother , theres so much you can see here , why have they got away with this ?

[@aprilsilvers381]

Patsy is no longer alive. I remember people were hoping she would make a death bed confession. I not so sure she had anything to do with hurting her daughter

[@lindafinch1520]

Yes and the parents were in a big hurry to get Jonbenet buried (4 days after the murder). I don't believe that this was enough time for medical examiners to do their job proficiently.

[@danielatilano3294]

Because they don't have solid proof to put those two parents in jail but they did it

[@nataliemichelle2848]

The police department are the ones who screwed up.

[@HELLOIAMSATAN]

No tears came out of her eyes during that CNN interview when she was "crying"

[@pennnatvet]

She was heavily drugged...

[@HELLOIAMSATAN]

@@pennnatvet so? being doped up takes away a persons tears and stops the tear ducts from working? I disagree.

[@Gustavo-fm2vm]

She was a lifelong Republican, so I wasn’t surprised.

[@HELLOIAMSATAN]

@@DarkHumorWritesItself lol

[@rdesousa8955]

reminds me of Susan Smith although her case was much more obvious she was directly involved, body language never lies

[@dorapete4536]

How would random sex offenders in their area know how much his bonus check was?

[@lianao2247]

Exactly!

[@bruggeman672]

His exact bonus was not mentioned. a number relatively close to his bonus was mentioned. that hardly constitutes evidence.

[@dorapete4536]

@@bruggeman672 it was written on paper from inside the home, a handwriting expert said its the moms handwriting, the lenghth of the note itself (suggests a woman wrote it) and the comment she made later about not realizing they are not usually long... The note and all its little quirks is definitely evidence

[@bruggeman672]

@@dorapete4536 no handwriting expert said that because that isn't how writing is verified. No expert can definitively say one person wrote anything. all they can say is the writing is consistent with or not consistent with the suspects writing. And while there were similarities it was hardly conclusive. check your facts.

[@bruggeman672]

@@dorapete4536 yes the note is evidence. it's not evidence against patsy. u don't seem to have a great grasp on how this stuff works...

[@abigailboster8857]

There’s so much evidence that it’s the parents and it’s making me so mad that we can’t make justice for jon. Poor little girl

[@hi12397]

I would of given them both a polygraph test immediately.

[@bradleymiller437]

It's all very very very weak circumstantial evidence.

[@tracyday6710]

DNA evidence can solve this crime instantly. But the Boulder DA won't release said evidence for testing at an independent lab. It's on the cops. They know and cover up. Why else not send evidence for testing?

[@supercrazylegs1]

@@hi12397 Polygraphs are inadmissible in court.

[@addisonj3189]

I definitely believe that it was the mom, anytime someone brings up something she just uses the cancer excuse. She is just so suspicious.

[@feartheghostinme675]

Dna was found on her daughter's underwear from an unknown man it was someone from their family not her mother

[@amandaelizabeth4443]

I believe and I always have truly believed that it was Patsy that killed her daughter. That's it that's all. It wasn't Burke. It wasn't an outside source. It was Patsy Ramsey.

[@waitakiwhanau9418]

@@amandaelizabeth4443 the police cleared the Ramsay family in 2008 with new DNA technology that wasn't available at the time she died.

[@frame-perfectadskip9159]

You think the mom tied that rope and assaulted her daughter with the handle?

[@danielatilano3294]

Yes I agree the mom is very suspicious and I feel she did it

[@caesar7734]

The parents are obviously responsible

[@darkhorse9472]

@Caesar Obviously you don't know this case, or you would know ALL Ramseys were cleared over a decade ago. Catch up.

[@toppgirl1613]

@@darkhorse9472 I’ve researched this case back and forth and the only conclusion I can come up with is the parents have had to known something!

[@darkhorse9472]

@@toppgirl1613 Hopefully you never sit on a jury...people like you are why there are innocent people in prison.

[@Adam88899]

@@darkhorse9472No one cares the parents did it

[@darkhorse9472]

@@Adam88899 DNA left at the crime scene eliminated the Ramseys, and hundreds of suspects. CODIS only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found in several spots on different surfaces of different clothing as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. All Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others. If you believe that the DNA doesn't count, how could it have been used to clear anyone, in ANY case? You can write disinformation, repeat tabloid fabrication and tv sensationalism, it doesn't change the fact that the Ramseys are innocent and have been cleared. Boulder Police do not consider the Ramseys suspects, and the heinous homicide of this little girl is an open and on-going investigation. ​Adam88899 ​if you have scientific evidence the Ramseys murdered their daughter, or had anything to do with her murder, or knew about her murder, contact the Boulder Police Department Tipline at 303-441-1974 or [e-mail] If you have information but wish to remain anonymous, contact the Northern Colorado Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477). Tips may also be submitted through Crime Stoppers.

[@aa.4639]

I still think there was a person in the Fathers circle that did this. They should have looked more into his past and "friends"

[@shirleycameron7718]

I don't believe in any of these charade...its just weird all the media attention and the family appeared on TV and so on...it just don't look right...publicly scrutinised in talk shows....sad ..strange what the case has become....'nothing' to this day...tq

[@aa.4639]

@@shirleycameron7718 The whole investigation was a joke.

[@kqa2893]

They should investigate why Gislaine Maxwell was in a photo at the Ramsey house.

[@aa.4639]

@@kqa2893 Agreed. Both of the parents exposed their children to odd individuals. And their home was open to visitors ??! I can understand why they did not cooperate with police. They did not kill the child..But they enabled somebody to do that big time.

[@ChiquititoTV]

@@aa.4639 exactly it just to me felt like unfortunately they trusted too many people and someone on that day that was in their home “to be supportive” did this. The police messed this whole investigation up and let’s be real they were treated differently because of their economic status. They were given liberties that they should not have been provided while investigating for the benefit of Jon Bennet.

[@darkhorse9472]

There's no prescribed way people act when they've lost a child or suffered a tragedy.

[@richardmaloney6452]

This is exactly it. I think the mother had been taking some form of sleeping tablet as well from the shock or it all. Some people break down when they're away from people they don't know.I don't think they killed her. But maybe knew who had something to do with it.

[@getalife3033]

Dark Horse… maybe not, but you best believe that police note these reactions first when they respond to that call

[@darkhorse9472]

@@getalife3033 I continually see people stating that the Ramseys were cold, uncaring, unemotional and insincere following their daughter’s death. Unfortunately, false leaks and media sensationalism led people to believe this. Below are several Boulder Police reports regarding John and Patsy’s behavior that contradict what we’ve always been told: ”Patsy is loosing [sic] her grip at the scene.” (BPD #5-3851.) ”John Ramsey would break down and start sobbing at the scene.” (BPD #5-3839.) ”Every time the phone rings, Patsy stands up and just like takes a baseball bat to the gut and then gets down on her knees and she’s hiding her head and crying as soon as that phone rings and it’s like a cattle prod.” (BPD #5-3859.) ”Sgt. Reichenbach felt Patsy was a complete emotional mess.” (BPD Report #5-3917.)(formal interview) ”Officer French thinks the Ramseys are acting appropriately at the scene.” (BPD Report #5-3851.) (formal interview) ”12: 05 a.m. 12-27-96:“Both John and Patsy get Valium.” (BPD Report # 1-112) ”12: 20 a.m. 12-27-96: “John and Patsy Ramsey fall asleep on the living room floor.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”01: 50 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy gets up and asks if someone is with her son, Burke. She also asks for more pills and says ‘I just want to stay asleep.’ She also asks if all the doors and windows are locked. She is drowsy and drugged.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 00 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy gets up to go to the bathroom. She is drowsy and dazed. Sobs every once in a while. At times needs to be supported.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 35 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 40 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey gets up and asks for two pills and walks around crying.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 45 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-113, Source.) ”02: 50 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey is back up crying and sobbing at times.” (BPD Report #1-113) ”Per [Patsy’s friend] … Patsy looked dead herself … was up every 30 minutes throughout the night. John was pacing when I got there … was pacing and crying throughout the night … Patsy would ask … me to check on Burke every 10 minutes.” (BPD Report #1-1881) ”Patsy was literally in shock. Vomiting, hyperventilating.” (BPD #5-433) ”Patsy cries all the time.” (BPD #1-640) ”During the initial ransom demand time Patsy was hysterical, just absolutely hysterical.” (BPD #5-230) ”She is hyperventilating. She is hallucinating. She is screaming. She was hysterical. John was pacing around. [Close family friends] were trying to keep Patsy from fainting. She was vomiting a little.” (BPD #5-404) ”I thought Patsy was going to have a heart attack and die. I thought she was going to kill herself.” (BPD #5-437) 2020-07-08, 7:22 AM

[@Adam88899]

They definitely planned it all don’t say they love their child bc that’s a lien

[@Simplirite]

That guy is an audio expert. I can hear the voices in the background from here.

[@TBrl8]

You should become a forensic sound expert.

[@jaywithani2753]

I feel the same, but what he is saying is that scientifically, he can’t prove that they’re voices. So say if they wanted to charge the parents with the murder, then they couldn’t based off this evidence.

[@mitchdoyle1997]

Simplirite EXACTLY! And even if hearing the voices doesn't mean anything, I can hear them anyway.

[@209cherrypie]

The police were incredibly negligent in the beginning which is the crucial time of this investigation and the media was cruel.

[@gryphonlaw2138]

Their eyes. It all seems disingenuous

[@Piana28]

You really have to be a detached from reality Trump supporter to believe the parents didn’t do it.

[@chispuda]

What about the ransom note? How did they possibly know about his bonus? And experts say it was the mom’ writing.

[@richardrobinson1697]

DNA IS THE KEY 🔑. IT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED. PSYCHOPATHS DO CRAZY THINGS. THAT EXPLAINS THE NOTE. DEFINITELY SOME PERVERT WHO KNEW THE FAMILY. 🤯

[@arissnoel]

The ransom amount will always be the craziest part to me! I absolutely believe the parents covered this up for either the son or a family friend....the sloppy and absurd nature of the cover up makes me think drugs were somehow involved, too. I don’t know how you do all of those things to that poor baby AND think to “demand” a ransom for the exact amount of the dad’s bonus unless you’re severely altered and/or in psychosis. The son and mom were went through a lot of trauma and had to be medicated I’m sure, but they still all just seem SO “off”...I’m not an expert by ANY means but we’ve all watched enough true/fictional crime shows. It all seems crazier as time goes on! That poor girl....

[@darkhorse9472]

Six highly qualified professionals hired by Boulder Authorities and the FBI determined Patsy, John, or Burke Ramsey did not write the ransom note. Chief Beckner confirmed that the investigation had retained the services of Chet Ubowski, Leonard Speckin, Edwin Alford, and Richard Dusack, Howard Ryle and Lloyd Cunningham to perform handwriting analysis and comparisons. Not ONE of the examiners identified Patsy Ramsey as the author of the ransom note. -Excerpts from former DA Alex Hunter's deposition 11/27/01 Who told Boulder Police the amount of John Ramsey's bonus? John Ramsey did! Why would he try to cover up a murder, but then tell police about his bonus? That makes no sense. The amount of his bonus was on every paycheck that year. The intruder had hours inside the home to look through John and Patsey's papers...or someone who knew the Ramseys, or worked in their home, or worked with John. The possibilities are endless.

[@lawrencebraun7616]

John's bonus and the amount was printed in the newspaper two weeks earler

[@jackiehunter8733]

It was in newspaper about jons bonus..

[@traceymckeenyyc]

My thoughts have always been towards the brother. Quite possibly a sibling fight/sibling jealousy went too far. The parents didn't want to lose two kids that night so they covered up the crime for their son. I truly hope that the truth comes out before the Dad leaves this world. He knows the truth.

[@tripztovenus]

There were signs that she had been sexually assaulted w the paintbrush used to kill her. I just don't think a nine year old would do that.

[@gamerwhiz6847]

@@tripztovenus The paintbrush didn't kill her. The blunt force trauma did. The body was messed with to make it look like she was killed in a different way.

[@donrane]

8 inch skull fracture you moron. That takes a grown man.

[@freddie3206]

@@tripztovenus The father could have done it to convince the cops it was an intruder. Most likely the father garotted her as well.

[@teddyjam8134]

There isn't an investigator on this planet that can explain the behavior of those parents. What kind of parent would avoid the police after their child is murdered? The Ramsey's know who murdered their baby! Case closed!!

[@bigmona2741]

Right! He didn’t think twice about avoiding the police when the ransom note threatened to kill him if he did, why avoid them while they’re investigating your child’s murder?

[@user150786]

Exactly,

[@johanconradie2120]

a friend of the father

[@dulcae]

“the Ramsey’s had no history of abuse or neglect of their children” is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. how in Sam Hill would anyone ever know whether or not those children were abused? they wouldn’t! they didn’t live in that house and see or hear what went on. abuse doesn’t always leave a physical scar-in fact, it *rarely* does. abusive people can be extremely covert about what they do, and based on my experience with those sorts of “people”, the two parents fit the bill, and the son fits the bill for a terribly conditioned child.

[@eliascorro4162]

That conclusion is based solely on lack of police reports of child abuse; and you're right, abuse can go on without ever being noticed or reported to the PD.-

[@fayepea7chey322]

7787⅞

[@Clementine1966]

I keep watching these docs hoping to change my mind. I can't believe parents of a child who was murdered so horribly would act this way. And I think these parents covered this up to defend their psychopathic son. Yes children can be very vindictive and brutal without a full sense of consciousness.

[@hel10hel]

Finally someone said my thoughts. The guy,that little guy has played such a big role in it and of course he’s going on with his “life” after it,when you have your parents covering up everything

[@MichaelWolf940]

The mother and father show a massive lack of emotion.

[@user-jc8py7dw7r]

If you haven’t observed them a good deal face to face, you don’t know.

[@darkhorse9472]

Do you have any experience, formal training, in how psychologically or otherwise one expects a parent to grieve when a child has been murdered? You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong. Show less

[@ww9452]

Someone please post part 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 etc...

[@exceptionaltalentspc4954]

hahahaha Just go back to old videos to get the whole story because this one is def not saying anything new.

[@darkhorse9472]

FYI It's on tomorrow night. Feb. 12th, 2021. 20/20 on ABC. 10PM.

[@ww9452]

@@darkhorse9472 well I’m from Canada

[@darkhorse9472]

@@ww9452 So am I. What province? I'm in Ontario. It's on tonight. ABC 10pm on the show 20/20.

[@sabrinamourarodrigues8322]

The very first impression of a crime is very important: What the first detective observed in the house was crucial. If every detail of the first day had been thoroughly analyzed, they would have solved this crime a long time ago. The ransom letter is a key piece, as it looks more like a confession than a ransom note. The 911 call was odd... disastrous. All the people interviewed in this case showed much more emotion than the family itself. Indeed a very weird case from day one. Red flags everywhere!

[@getalife3033]

First impressions and gut feelings have solved many cases believe it or not after thoroughly investigating.

[@hyunjinsamericano2650]

i had been looking at this case for a long time now, i have always been so torn when it comes to believing who did it. and i just came to a realization that i should have came to earlier, i always found it so odd that they invited their friends over after for “emotional support”. yes everyone deals with grief differently, but nobody’s first thought after finding their daughter murdered is to invite friends over. but now i realized that the fact that friends came over is the biggest reason as to why this isn’t solved. they could’ve just invited them over to purposely contaminate the crime scene. i REALLY lean towards the parents doing it now.

[@freddie3206]

Correct you are.

[@MisterMooster]

Seeing the mother in slow motion makes reading her even mor clear- she had nothing to do with the homicide, but agreed to help cover it up- out of fear of losing everything, and likely out of fear that her husband might kill her.

[@terixxxlouise7504]

Not saying 100% that they're innocent but people have gotta remember that not every1 is like you..... just cause you would or wouldn't do this or that don't mean that the next person would do the same...

[@Garbeaux.]

Exactly. People not only grieve in many different ways but they also handle situations differently. Imagine losing a child and then being hounded by the media, police, and lawyers all the while planning your little girls funeral. I don’t think there is a normal reaction to that type of situation. Besides, in that situation, everybody is gonna be analyzing your every move, facial expressions, and statements.

[@madelinetramantano8302]

RIGHT BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOME SORROW. ONE TEAR COME OUT OF YOUR EYE.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@madelinetramantano8302 You require a change of mindset of assuming that you are right in how others should respond to situations and that those who respond differently are wrong.

[@madelinetramantano8302]

@@darkhorse9472 LOOK AT THEM CAREFULLY . LOOK IN THERE EYES.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@madelinetramantano8302 The Ramseys were cleared over a decade ago, Madeline. Get over it.

[@yan_darling]

ever since i first heard of this case i always had a feeling the father did it

[@HumanimalChannel]

@Rafael Felan fool.

[@auroraborealis7667]

Very very touching! And still as sad as 1st day i heard. Such beautiful girl and a delight to look upon, i hope her soul is resting is GOD's bossom.

[@tinadailey1297]

Yes she's in heaven she was just a baby

[@Investigativebean]

They JUST buried their child, and John is already appearing to be having cheerful memories of her that fast. Everyone does grieve differently, but you hear most people impactex by murder say that they are unable to properly grieve until they find the killer. That seems to be the norm.

[@pepsidiboss]

The parents did it . PERIOD

[@ianmcvarrie7913]

I think they covered up for burke he has previous

[@ianmcvarrie7913]

He hit her on the face with a golf club before

[@karmag4244]

People get away with murder....

[@iluvthesummer1]

Rich people get away with murder

[@ManFa_Q]

@@iluvthesummer1 ...Sometimes its not who you know, Its who knows YOU !

[@3o9afa]

The killer made a 6 inch whole in the little girl's skull but was so gentle he didn't scratch any door while breaking in and returned the notebook back to its place after writing that long ass letter... A family member did it!!

[@nicolecarriere4443]

That poor girl died in vain...until someone present might talk 🤔😢

[@teresas4440]

I just want to say the Ransom note was 3 pages long right. What I'm concerned about is the house was so big the person had to know there way around the house and know where her room was a kidnapper isnt going to write a 3 page Ransom note and there not going to open every bedroom door looking for her. Think about that. None of this makes any sense at all to me.

[@danielatilano3294]

That's the reason why none of it makes sense is because the parents did it and they're trying to cover it up

[@madelinetramantano8302]

PARENTS ARE VERY STRANGE.

[@sukiwatson]

I always believed the family did it. Why have all your friends over there? The cops didn't help at all. How did they not find her body that day but the dad found her right away? The family covered up her murder and got away with it.

[@nd7895]

In 1997 Patsy's aunt Pam Paugh confirmed that Jonbenet's hair had been "lightened" A former nanny said JonBenet herself had admitted her hair was dyed: The former nanny says JonBenet's hair was a light golden brown which suddenly turned platinum blonde.

[@rainbowgirlism]

It’s kind of obvious from her roots.

[@darthmom1019]

I think it was the son/brother.

[@SP-ig3vs]

Nope. It was the mother.

[@badcheetah5927]

@@SP-ig3vs Why did she do that ?

[@badcheetah5927]

@Butterfly Sword Thank you 🙏

[@maryw3989]

I've always thought it was Burke Ramsey and the parents covered it up to protect the only child they had left.

[@pennnatvet]

@Butterfly Sword I think she knew the truth... The bed wetting might have triggered her or maybe Burke fought with her for that pineapple, but the killing was done by the father...

[@cozettem8226]

Regardless of all the evidence or lack thereof, I take a lot of stock in the fact that people who knew the Ramsey's well, including their former housekeeper, the woman who helped with the pageants taking pics and making dresses for JonBenet, and John's BFF Fleet White actually suspected them. That says a lot when the people closest to you whom you trust suspect you. If they were innocent their friends would be their biggest supporters. Not to mention the ransom letter went overboard trying to throw off the police, the Ramseys didn't say anything when the time had passed for the supposed kidnappers to call, handwriting experts indicated the letter matched Patsy's writing and her writing style and use of words like using initials, accent marks, and phrases that Patsy was known to say, Patsy lying and denying her own known handwriting on family photo album when it was presented to her, it goes on and on how deceptive Patsy was. Yes she was grieving but that doesn't mean she or another family member in the house did not kill JBR. There were more circumstantial evidence pointing to the Ramsey's than pointing to a possible intruder. Even if someone else wrote the letter and tried to copy her handwriting they could not have known the style and phrases she tended to use. And she was certainly capable of lying, she denied that she dyed JBR's hair blonder for the pageants. This is just an example of how having a lot of wealth gets you out of trouble, they probably paid people off. Steve Thomas quit bc he was so frustrated knowing the Ramsey's were guilty but the DA refused to indict.

[@bethryan9077]

Steve Thomas is not only a Proven LIAR, he showed himself up to be King Moron. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before, let alone Solved one. LOL. He was only brought into the case 3 days later because the Present detectives refused to target the Ramseys. He thought he was going to make a name for himself off this high profile crime. He got around the office constantly talking about the Book he was going to write. His partner was an auto theft officer. Other detectives were working this case but Thomas formed his little Gang. If anyone disagreed with Thomas, they were ridiculed & ostracised. More than one seasoned detective Left. After that childish book of BS was put on shelves, someone touted him as ‘lead detective’. From the very beginning, he aided & abetted the ‘leaking’ of false & misleading information to the press. When the BPD were Caught Out doing this, a Public apology to the Ramseys was filmed & put out through national news agencies - but, the damage was Well Done by then. Thomas stated that they were trying to pressure the parents into a confession &/or turning on each other. Thomas Made Up a ridiculous scenario in his Sociopathic head & blamed Patsy because of a friggin notepad. It is the Practice of Law Enforcement to withhold evidence from the public. To protect the integrity of the investigation, certain aspects of evidence are withheld from particular members within the police department. Thomas didn’t even Know the full Truth of the injuries to JB’s person nor did he Care to Find Out, instead he just ‘hypothesized’ relentlessly about her poor mother. He illegally took evidence material from the BPD. He said he was going ‘on leave’ & never returned. Next - he went on National TV & read out his resignation letter, a shameful act that was unheard of in law enforcement history, but really, That was his marketing Ploy for his book that he was writing, in partnership with another Loser. Thomas was promptly sued for that book of BS & garnered money from the Public for his defence. When time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back himself. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he had made, of Your money. LMAO.

[@bethryan9077]

The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP to Be. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Chief Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.

[@Shay_TheUnpopularOpinion_]

Look at 6:40 , you can see a bruise on baby girl’s arm 😢 They said poor baby had been sexually assaulted on other occasions :( why wouldn’t parents know?! Why would you get off the phone with the 911 operator? If I had lost my child I would’ve stayed on the line... better yet... I wouldn’t have even called 911 if I found the note, I’d be so frazzled and irrational I’d drive around the neighborhood looking for her ! Look at the video with Detective Linda Arndt, she was there when Jonbonet was discovered. She believes the dad did it!

[@dollydampman2633]

We were a normal family! Really were you??? Not at all

[@richardthomas1743]

I bet that today's technology could clean up that audio recording and make it so that there would not be a question as to if there was voices or not . I personal do not believe that it was an outside intruder , I think somebody in the house did this .

[@Casey_S]

Everyone's knows the parents did it

[@smch6416]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXO4goJoqpKYepY They cleaned it up in this fairly recent investigation. It's still not fully audible but a good watch

[@tedperry6466]

it seems that ABC is in on the cover up also. Because the 911 operator claimed she heard alot more than what 20/20 is showing here. The CBS special had much clearer audio on Patsy's 911 phone call and you could hear the parents yelling at the son, "what did you do???!!!"

[@lorishu48103]

I have seen experts try but also seen them explain to the public that while they could hypothesize based on sounds that are barely audible through enhancement (like enhancing an image) the more you have to use technology to hear/see something the more room for error like how a picture becomes blurred if you zoom in to closely. I think the latest audiology forensic expert says that while there is low sound that could be some additional voices, the evidence could be inconclusive and unable to be used because of margin of error (noise being from vacuum, appliance being turned on or off etc)

[@Lovedance5678]

Yes and the family were the last people to see her alive. Usually that's a red flag. There are so many red flags in the case. Too bad money rules, I bet alot were paid off in the Ramsey's favor.

[@mitchdoyle1997]

Why would someone write a THREE PAGE RANSOM LETTER, then immediately turn around and kill the hostage? This doesn't make sense to me. If the perpetrator kills the hostage, GAME OVER because they have no more collateral to BARGAIN with.

[@ajamalaysiavar5540]

I think it was her brother and the parents covered it up.

[@huggiesjourneys7318]

9yo dont make garots

[@HelpMeFindTheseSongs]

Why do you think it was the brother?

[@Naturefan354]

@@huggiesjourneys7318 If the scene was stagged then the garrote was obviously stagged by an adult

[@huggiesjourneys7318]

​@@Naturefan354 the garotte wasn't staged it WAS the murder weapon

[@Naturefan354]

@@huggiesjourneys7318 No because it's never been established whether she was hit over the head first or garroted? In fact the little to no blood in her head suggest she was more than likely hit over the head first

[@ladybug160]

Still no mention of if the Ramsay's handwriting was analysed and compared to the ransom note? This whole case has always felt very fishy to me.

[@bigmona2741]

Yes there’s an interview on KZbin where she is asked questions about the handwriting. That’s not new.

[@ladybug160]

@@bigmona2741 Thank you so much.

[@bumsharvest5493]

Way back in the 90's, I remember the parents doing a television interview after what seemed like a long time after the murder. It struck me as odd that the mother, Patsy, wore sunglasses during the interview and referred to Jon Benet as 'that little girl', 'my little daughter ', etc., etc., never referring her by her name. My 'Spidey sense ' was ringing alarms. I felt there was a disassociation going on with Patsy. However, please know, I could be totally wrong, just saying how I felt.

[@danielatilano3294]

I think your first thoughts were absolutely correct the mom did it

[@Yoshi-im3sz]

The parents seem like they don’t care at all i mean their daughter just freaking got murdered and they’re smiling!!??

[@darkhorse9472]

Smiling where??

[@stephaniesmith5974]

At one of the funerals for Jon Benet’ John Ramsey is standing on the top of the church stairs as they are coming out smiling as was Burke. It’s in film. Patsy had all black on and she was crying.

[@r.c.miller6161]

Oh good grief. Where???

[@r.c.miller6161]

@@stephaniesmith5974 John was being strong so Patsy could grieve in that public situation.

[@darkhorse9472]

I continually see people stating that the Ramseys were cold, uncaring, unemotional and insincere following their daughter’s death. Unfortunately, false leaks and media sensationalism led people to believe this. Below are several Boulder police reports regarding John and Patsy’s behavior that contradict what we’ve always been told. ”Patsy is loosing [sic] her grip at the scene.” (BPD #5-3851.) ”John Ramsey would break down and start sobbing at the scene.” (BPD #5-3839.) ”Every time the phone rings, Patsy stands up and just like takes a baseball bat to the gut and then gets down on her knees and she’s hiding her head and crying as soon as that phone rings and it’s like a cattle prod.” (BPD #5-3859.) ”Sgt. Reichenbach felt Patsy was a complete emotional mess.” (BPD Report #5-3917.)(formal interview) ”Officer French thinks the Ramseys are acting appropriately at the scene.” (BPD Report #5-3851.) (formal interview) ”12: 05 a.m. 12-27-96: “Both John and Patsy get Valium.” (BPD Report # 1-112) ”12: 20 a.m. 12-27-96: “John and Patsy Ramsey fall asleep on the living room floor.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”01: 50 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy gets up and asks if someone is with her son, Burke. She also asks for more pills and says ‘I just want to stay asleep.’ She also asks if all the doors and windows are locked. She is drowsy and drugged.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 00 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy gets up to go to the bathroom. She is drowsy and dazed. Sobs every once in a while. At times needs to be supported.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 35 a.m. 12-27-96: “Patsy Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 40 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey gets up and asks for two pills and walks around crying.” (BPD Report #1-112) ”02: 45 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey goes back to bed.” (BPD Report #1-113, Source.) ”02: 50 a.m. 12-27-96: “John Ramsey is back up crying and sobbing at times.” (BPD Report #1-113) ”Per [Patsy’s friend] … Patsy looked dead herself … was up every 30 minutes throughout the night. John was pacing when I got there … was pacing and crying throughout the night … Patsy would ask … me to check on Burke every 10 minutes.” (BPD Report #1-1881) ”Patsy was literally in shock. Vomiting, hyperventilating.” (BPD #5-433) ”Patsy cries all the time.” (BPD #1-640) ”During the initial ransom demand time Patsy was hysterical, just absolutely hysterical.” (BPD #5-230) ”She is hyperventilating. She is hallucinating. She is screaming. She was hysterical. John was pacing around. [Close family friends] were trying to keep Patsy from fainting. She was vomiting a little.” (BPD #5-404) ”I thought Patsy was going to have a heart attack and die. I thought she was going to kill herself.” (BPD #5-437)

[@stephaniesmith5974]

I watched this last evening and the minute I heard Lou Smitt name I knew it was more of the same. And it was. Waste of 2 hours. Just all the same videos spliced together. 🤦‍♀️

[@cmm-l5t]

Same here. I was so disappointed there was no new information

[@amandam.8550]

Exactly what I thought. Just milking this tragedy for ratings again.

[@cmm-l5t]

@@DarkHumorWritesItself wow, that was needlessly rude

[@stephaniesmith5974]

@@cmm-l5t I just looked at what @deadchannel said to me- he/she deleted it but it showed up in my messages. Nice person rite? 🤭Thx so much for calling him out! Check out his channel and his distain for any KZbin comments.

[@darkhorse9472]

@ Stephanie Smith- "The minute I heard Lou Smitt name I knew it was more of the same." Stephanie Smith - >Watches 2 hours.

[@rome2989]

It’s trumps fault

[@mariacortez9754]

Finally someone with some common sense

[@CC-xn5xi]

I can't imagine either parent clubbing JB over the head. If B hit her, as an accident or not, who strangled her?

[@anoni6108]

Maybe to make it look like a murder

[@CC-xn5xi]

@@anoni6108 The marks on her neck look like torture, not murder.....

[@gregdahlen4375]

how could you hit someone that hard as an accident?

[@CC-xn5xi]

@@gregdahlen4375 My younger sibling swung a chair up into the air and down onto my head. I was older than 6, though. Jealousy.

[@user150786]

Good point...

[@marissamillerr]

someone in the family did it. it's so clear to me. And no way the brother was sleeping during the 911 phone call, the mother was practically screaming on the phone, and wouldn't they wake him up and try and protect him and hold him close??????? not leave him sleeping if they really thought someone was out there.

[@nd7895]

I don’t like how they bleached/colored Jon Benet’s hair blonde for those pagents. That seems like a mild form of child abuse.

[@kimmichaud4064]

They didn't color her hair she was natural blonde they just styled it and I believe added hair extensions , wig clip ins because her real hair was not that long and curly thick

[@kimmichaud4064]

It's not bleached !

[@nd7895]

It IS COLORED/BLEACHED. Pictures from when she was really young before the pagents it’s a darker blonde. Check it out. You will totally see. They also use fake tanner on her.

[@nd7895]

In 1997 Patsy's aunt Pam Paugh confirmed that Jonbenet's hair had been "lightened" A former nanny said JonBenet herself had admitted her hair was dyed: The former nanny says JonBenet's hair was a light golden brown which suddenly turned platinum blonde.

[@angelalim4638]

Exactly...JonBenèt is too young to have her hair dyed. And it's also bad for her scalp when she got her hair dyed blond in a young age. The materials used for a hair dye is toxic, to be concise.

[@lescineharper218]

My heart hurts for this family.

[@honestyquality3565]

I have 4 kids. They’ve pissed on anything and everything a million times. My wife and I have complained about it but never did physical harm. It’s a ridiculous theory and so is the Burke and the Flashlight theory. It’s just easier to blame the parents than do the work necessary to catch this DNA match

[@irmaiman602]

The mum is always interrupting the dad when speaking ... they both guilty ..

[@willpgarrett2940]

I've always said her brother did it

[@susiewomack9104]

That is so stupid

[@katjsjsj]

@@susiewomack9104 i would agree since he was only a child, but he has some motives, and in several interviews he has smiled, and hasn’t seemed visibly upset about it.

[@SP-ig3vs]

Ya they did it. Maybe it was an accident turned murder. Especially the mom- you can see the guilt & shame.

[@Casey_S]

I think the father in particular did it. I speculate he had been molesting her for some time behind closed doors. One particular night, he went too far with her and caused her death. Staged it to look like a kidnapping.

[@user-jc8py7dw7r]

No, you can’t. You know nothing.

[@valleygirl2530]

9-1-1 calls are very telling. Think about what you would say, in what order. Imagine how your voice would sound. Imagine.....”Listen carefully!”

[@GirlyDeadpool]

So they can’t leave their house to help the police but they can go on CNN? It blows my mind this still can’t be solved

[@nicklucking1891]

Would you help the police that were trying to fry you?

[@GirlyDeadpool]

@@nicklucking1891 well if someone helped and it lead to discovering who did it, then they would be cleared. It looks way more suspicious not helping. It makes no sense refusing to help. I would want to help figure out what happened to my kid so yes I definitely would.

[@yassi8814]

More concerned with their own image perhaps? Than the death of their kid?

[@lifeonwheels5756]

That dad is such a creep licking his lips in between lies

[@janedoe7229]

Yup. Like a reptile.

[@EdensSecret1]

Where is the rest of this programme!

[@JosephineB63]

Cant find Part 6 😪 Anyone got the link please?

[@JosephineB63]

This always happens - Gives us Part 1 to 5 - And never Part 6 - Very frustrating and absolutely ridiculous

[@sandypadilla5533]

I paused it @6:39 you can see a bruise in her inner arm. Someone was definitely abusing her🙁

[@iampoe824]

Same body language as Chris Watts...and what do you know.. Right in same state

[@darkhorse9472]

BS

[@ilshyf]

This case brought another unexpected side-effect. Columbine High School was just a few miles away (10 to 20 minutes by car) so that lots of journalists who had been hanging around the JonBenét house could quickly arrive at the school shooting scene and made it a national coverage very fast.

[@physiquegirl]

Patsy was always putting on such a show, she wasn’t believable

[@gebronthomasson6960]

Her whole life was a show

[@katjsjsj]

fr, she always wanted to be in center of attention. and a murder on christmas morning? that would give her a lot of recognition

[@deidrebrown8986]

Where Is our Saviour for parts 6 - 11 😂 ABC should learn how to publish a Full Episode already

[@siddarthpai1214]

Its in the abc news app

[@angelalim4638]

You can watch it in Hulu.

[@lynpepler]

What gets me is the lack of sincere emotion from the parents. It feels fake. I would be an absolute teary mess if it were one of my babies.

[@momoftwobunnies]

Pageant parents in glitz are like this. Cold, wealthy, & privileged. They did get charged child endangerment for having an open door Christmas party letting anyone in.

[@zzizahacallar]

@@momoftwobunnies I did not know

[@jpphillip9585]

My feeling is the boy did it, and the parents covering it up. So they all in on it. If they had nothing to hide they would have talked to police and let them question the boy too. That's if you really want answers, but they already had the answers. There is something wrong about that boy back then and even now. He may have resented his sister for all the parents attention something happened. All that chaos in house and they insist he was asleep, deliberately leaving him out of sight and questions.

[@freedomwarrior1679]

For sure who ever killed her is someone that knew the girl!!. The $ 118,000 is one of the main clues. It could have been any of the individuals that came to visit the house. Thats why the body appeared at the last minute.

[@Bildgesmythe]

I still think the mother lost it and killed the child. Dad went along and covered it up.

[@darkhorse9472]

DNA cleared the Ramseys over a decade ago. Evidence doesn't care what you 'think'. Hopefully you never sit on a jury....people like you are why there are innocent people in prison. #evidencematters #justiceforjonbenet

[@eiffelviolet]

@@darkhorse9472 Someone said that that foreign DNA could have been from the factory her clothes came from.

[@darkhorse9472]

@@eiffelviolet You're repeating misinformation. Unknown male DNA was found mixed with JonBenét's blood in her panties. The exact unknown male DNA was found under JonBenét's fingernails as she fought for her life, and the same unknown male DNA was found on the waistband of her leggings, which was 'touch DNA' -where the intruder pulled them up/down. Impossible for the same DNA to be found on 3 separate areas on her body. CODIS (the FBI's program of support for criminal justice DNA databases as well as the software used to run these databases) only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found on JonBenét's body as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. All Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others.

[@moreno27tp]

It was definitely her parents/brother

[@nnekaoa9234]

u do not know that

[@mamaros471]

Why would they talk to the police. They didn’t know what they where doing and they believed it was the parents right away. They weren’t looking for the murderer

[@FORYOUABD]

I think the dad killed the girl so when he was waiting for the police or anyone to find her but no one didn’t so he bought it his self

[@adrianaleon7413]

I always thought Patsy was suffering from Munchausen by Proxy, that would had explained a lot. You know, looking at some cases, she fit the kind.

[@SavageZebra67]

nah she is the killer

[@JimmiAlli]

My gut feeling is that the parents knew more than they are saying.

[@StephyVlogsx]

What was the bruise on Jonbenets arm looked viscous?

[@ginevragali2981]

I saw that too! Looks like someone grabbed and pulled her hard!

[@Alyssa-rf1fi]

Can you give a timestamp for when you see it please?

[@ginevragali2981]

@@Alyssa-rf1fi No prob, Alyssa! 6:39

[@beckywebb1916]

@@ginevragali2981 All I see is a curl of hair.

[@islandgirl1818]

That does not look like a curl of her hair... it's purple for goodness sake 🤦🏻‍

[@ektarai4723]

Brother did it. Parents went along to help their son.

[@karenhill5925]

The wealthier you are the more power you have and you can avoid many things, including giving statements interfering with crime scenes it appears. I do believe that based on all the evidence it was either the father mother or brother that killed her accidentally and the kidnap monologue was a way to divert attention away from the fact.

[@danielatilano3294]

Hi Karen I agree with that 120%. That's exactly what is happening but the mom died I wonder if the father is going to come out one day and say hey my ex-wife did it

[@thestraightpath1536]

Pleeeeeease we need parts 6 - 12

[@SweetBlackSistah]

One of the parents killed her.

[@stephaniemomma]

And the other helped to cover it up

[@SweetBlackSistah]

@@stephaniemomma exactly!

[@redpanda1126]

I think somebody is very close to solving this mystery... That's why media is trying hard to point the fingers towards the family to protect someone very prominent. Seriously why now...?

[@theresahayes4294]

At 6.39 photo Jon you can clearly see big bruse on her upper left arm.. wouldn't think that's from falling over either!!!!!!💔

[@itzstraypinkkingsqueens8728]

Omg yes

[@dorothyfleming643]

so that sound expert was just like 'yeah idk'

[@HELLOIAMSATAN]

I have received a lot of responses on my previous comment both agree and disagree, but when the long note and the specific amount of 118,000 mentioned which just happens to be Mr. Ramsey's bonus and no sign of break in and the pad and instruments used to strangle her all from the house. As bugs bunny would say "something just does not add up"

[@rebeccawhaley2982]

Who writes a three page Ransome letter? Very fishy.