Netflix's series on Menendez brothers brings new eyes to a 3-decade-old case

The Netflix series "Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story" revisits one of the most notorious criminal cases of the 1990s, examining the reasons behind Erik and Lyle's murder of their parents.
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[@mish4164]

They should have been released a long time ago considering the circumstances.

[@nomorea4750]

Exactly

[@PartyyyMartyyy]

Seek some help for that mental health!

[@TellyGianoulis]

No evidence

[@Shh007]

Like she mentioned, on the 2nd trail they took out the sexual assault allegations why? Because they didn’t want to believe that could happen to a boy. That’s nonsense.

[@TreySarver]

The circumstances being that they lied?

[@williamshaw5388]

Their father was the real monster.

[@TheTruth-kh2im]

Their

[@LarrySwishamane]

C a p

[@alisalittle817]

@@TheTruth-kh2im😂I myself accidentally typed that and sent it in the universe 😂😂o well😂

[@AA-qb7ni]

Mom too. She knew what was happening.

[@charlenecease8888]

Crazy pycho monster

[@UnIimited_Power]

A member of the boy band Menudo said recently he was assaulted, I'd use a stronger word but KZbin..., by their father José Menéndez.

[@TreySarver]

@@UnIimited_Power made by the same people that made Casey Anthony’s bullshit doc

[@ninisantiago3235]

Yeah roy rosello🙁 the way how he explained it. 😭his tears. !!!!

[@lonette8314]

You could say rape in yt comments

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

It’s all lies

[@lizzien5846]

Their parents were the real monsters.

[@RishabhSingh-ts2bi]

Parents r never monsters leave.

[@zoethehorsegirl1]

@@RishabhSingh-ts2bitheir dad was raping and molesting them for over 10 years. The mom knew about it and did nothing. I would say their parents are monsters💀

[@prisilla7633]

@@RishabhSingh-ts2biuhm, sexually abuse doesn’t make the parent a monster?

[@theshapeexists]

​@@RishabhSingh-ts2bi that's disgustingly ignorant and embarrassing that you even wrote that. Wow.

[@atxchaser]

Just as much as you're a monster. Anyone can allege anything but with no proof....

[@ashleybosschannel24]

GYPSY ROSE IS FREEEE.... THEY SHOULD BE FREEEEE‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@ikexbankai]

She was underage when she killed her Mom. That’s the only reason she’s free. No one that commits 1st degree murder should be walking free. I’m sorry when a person PLANS a double murder over a week and a half and NEVER stop themselves from going through with it. I believe that they have the capacity to that again. Not to even mention that people are unfortunately abused every day and even unfortunately by their own parents and they do not become murders. Being abused does not give you the legal right to murder. And I believe it does not give you the moral right to plan and go through with a double murder. Like think about that!

[@gaylevidal2890]

Exactly right 🤔if they were girls it would be different sadly true

[@ikexbankai]

@@ashleybosschannel24 Gypsy was underage and she didn’t do the killing herself. Very different story. These guys were grown adults that could have separated themselves from their parents in so many other ways. Not spend two weeks speaking to plan a cold blooded double murder

[@ikexbankai]

@@ashleybosschannel24 there people serving time for drugs and weed. Those are the people that need to be freed. Not murders

[@luvistragedy]

I know what they did was horrible, however; the sentence was so harsh. 2 consecutive life sentences without parole. That is egregious! They should have gotten 2 manslaughter charges. Hopefully, now with the eyes from the public back on the case hopefully they can have a retrial for a lesser sentence or be pardoned.

[@sierramcclary2897]

Their crimes was premeditated and they lied about the murder of their parents. They only brought up the abuse when they was on trial. There sentences was not harsh

[@Benz5469]

So, in your opinion, if this crime doesn't deserve this particular punishment, then what on earth does?! They literally murdered their own parents, blowing them completely to smithereens. They planned it, they calculated it, they did it in cold, ruthless blood and then they even had the gall to try and deflect the blame away from themselves. To top it all off, as if it wasn't always vile enough, they decided to indulge and go on a very lavish, self centered shopping spree, with their mom and dad's money. Come on now, let's be realistic here.

[@basbleupeaunoire]

@@sierramcclary2897 You say that like people are eager to talk about how their parent sexually abused them. And definitely not when they're trying to NOT get arrested.

[@sierramcclary2897]

@@basbleupeaunoire They only brought it up when they were on trial. They were in counseling before they were arrested, and they didn’t even bring it up to their therapist.

[@trevorb2025]

@@sierramcclary2897have you been abused

[@MISTY-74292]

Nothing new is coming to light! People have been screaming this for years and as per usual no one listened.

[@robertkennedy9188]

If Ryan Murphy wants to do an interesting series on male sexual abuse, he should turn his cameras on Hollywood itself and the things boys have to do make it there.

[@MartinSmith156]

It's ten times worse for girls, or is that expected? 1 out of every 3 girls are molested by men in this country. Sick

[@markcurry7945]

He did actually, it’s a limited series called Hollywood on Netflix

[@Spiritualchick82]

Any documentary Ryan Murphy would make about sexual abuse and hedonism in Hollywood, would probably have a sensationalized aspect to it. The dude is far up on the totem pole, so I don't expect he would ever uncover anything serious, or do any deep digging. He's far up in that industry.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

And Jose himself was in Hollywood.

[@mandisahlabisa7705]

Yes

[@tara-p7w]

35 years in prison is more than enough time for what they did. They should never have been sentence to life without parole. Wtf is the point in keeping them locked up??

[@herjitpannu2282]

Two counts of murder in the first degree.

[@sierramcclary2897]

They was convicted of first degree murder. Life without parole is the sentence that a person receives that is convicted of first degree murder

[@tara-p7w]

@@sierramcclary2897 It was a manslaughter case. The abuse should've been considered as mitigating factor which was not because the judge excluded the evidence to prevent another mistrial. It was not a fair trial

[@Wildrover82]

​@@tara-p7wManslaughter? Hel no. Don't be silly.

[@hanjoocho8641]

​@@tara-p7wManslaughter!! Come on now. This was a premeditated murder. They went to different shops to try and buy guns and during this time; they could have stopped and reflected. But they continued to pursue the weapons. They are murderers!!

[@amlaaaa479]

I don't get it. What do people mean by incestuous relationship? They talk about how Lyle abused Eric at some point when they were both kids. Is this what the uproar is about? There is also a scene where the teenagers shower together but that's just a speculation made by the Vanity fair reporter! It's not suggested in the film that it really happened. The boys are also quite tender with each other at several points. But what's the issue with that? They are bonded through trauma. If these were girls, no one would bat an eyelash. What am I missing?

[@seren4740]

Agree

[@gnocchi5326]

as the show rightfully pointed out "nuance is hard" for some people. sadly, men still can't hug and support each other without people calling gay, even if it's two brothers in a dramatic portrayal of the real event. people are weird

[@missym877]

There’s another scene earlier in the show that is presented as fact and not tabloid fodder, when Lyle is seen kissing Erik at a party.

[@coallie]

They are dancing closely and putting fingers in each other's mouths and kissing at a party and they are caught showering together by their mom. It was definitely a bit stronger than an insinuation of incest.

[@G4Chaos-on6xk]

Yall weird on here bro lol wtf

[@DrPhil-kx3ci]

The film is basically 3 different realities, none are certain to be the truth. Lean towards the evidence and you will find that the truth is clear.

[@702SinSuper]

Exactly

[@TreySarver]

That’s why the show has subtle nods pointing to them lying, playing Milli Vanilli throughout the series being an example.

[@mayacohen2774]

There is a documentary, their trial. Kids are victims of narcissistic father and ignorant alcoholic broken mother . It’s a fact

[@mims4085]

If you are a man watching this and you have experienced abuse I want to tell you the statistics: 1 in 6 men are SA at one point in their life. Please know you are loved and believed.

[@mish4164]

Alarming stat. I have twins, a boy and a girl - I worried the same about both. Hopefully parents are at least little more aware now.

[@MicheleEllis-pj1dq]

More men and boys are actually abused and more men are beat up by women than men. Men just don’t talk about it as much, but they need to

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

They were not abused

[@victoriadavislg]

Though the series has parts that seem a bit too dramatized for television this series could bring more attention to the case itself and possibly help them In the long run

[@Omar-z6n7x]

They should not be incarcerated.

[@bmoshareholderappleshareho855]

"There's no excuse for violence." That's what a social worker told me. "That's unfortunate.' That's what a federal judge said to me. "The law expects people to be thick-skinned.' That's what a lawyer said to me. So based on the above comments, the brothers belong in prison.

[@Omar-z6n7x]

@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 there’s no excuse for sexual violence either.

[@Mr.woman_lover]

why not?

[@DavidToutai]

No the Menudos documentary is a whole lot better documentary that proves their innocence

[@TreySarver]

You got got, it happens. There’s been a growing trend lately to make docs about guilty people in an effort to trick the younger generation. Casey Anthony and Yolanda Saldivar have similar docs

[@gx9954]

@@TreySarveroh shut up, 51 witnesses in defense of them, that includes their own family members, who have been speaking in support of them since 1990. And what’s so shocking about a powerful hollywood producer being a p3do? Jose menendez has way more victims out there.

[@mayacohen2774]

I just watched documentary and absolutely agree their are not guilty!

[@jjgalletta66]

“Proves their innocence???” They confessed to the murders after trying to pin the crime on organized criminals (the Mafia). These two are far from innocent, dude. And, they will be far more safe in prison than on the outside. The mob doesn’t take too kindly to rats.

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

Omg they killed parents in cold blood

[@damattice23]

Calling something an incestual “relationship” when it started with one brother abusing the other is not right. It implies that Erik was consenting, he was abused by his father and his brother. Sexual abuse by a family member is insidious and akin to brainwashing. And sibling sexual abuse is more common than you think and not talked about enough. I respect Netflix for trying to highlight this.

[@arjaygee]

The word is "incestuous," not "incestual." An incestuous relationship does not imply mutual consent, any more than any other type of sexual relationship does. When any type of sexual relationship, including an incestuous one, involves a partner who does not consent, or who is not capable of legal consent (due to age, mental capacity or other factors), that relationship involves abuse.

[@gabriellafaithmckenzie]

After finding out about Diddy, I believe anyone in Hollywood is a weirdo.

[@rayannarichardson6208]

They should not be in jail should be out right now

[@mayacohen2774]

Agreed! Absolutely!

[@44sgyrl]

I always thought they told the truth. I have never understood why when victims kill their victimizer the sentences are so harsh.

[@brucewayne1662]

Because the only "victims" we 100% know are actually victims are the parents. They were shot multiple times in the face at close range, and the brothers have admitted to it. The murderer is now accusing the victim of a crime and the victim being accused is not even here to defend themselves. The burden of proof shifted against them once they accused their victim of a crime. And the standards of proof of that have to be very high, considering the accused is not even able to defend themselves against the accusation. That is the way the criminal justice system should work.

[@jessie-111]

They will get out. Putting it out into existence.

[@KDrop84]

And they kill again?

[@trustnoone3007]

They should’ve been released by now since it’s been 30 years. Now if they got a life sentence, then wow…

[@2hawtforya464]

@@KDrop84yeah, I hope you’ll be the first one. 😂

[@TreySarver]

@@2hawtforya464the ironic thing is, I bet you’re liberal. Most people who defend Lyle and Erik are. But wishing death on someone just because they don’t believe the same conspiracy as you? That’s how you go full Trumper my friend

[@sierramcclary2897]

@@trustnoone3007They was convicted of first degree murder.

[@Iwantmymtv]

The fact that they went on a shopping spree after they murdered their parents says it all. I don't believe a word that comes out of the mouth of these brothers.

[@Gmaneeeee]

Those shopping sprees were normal af for them lmfao. Ask their relatives buddy

[@courtneysimmons4187]

Because rich people spent their money… they weren’t abused? You don’t believe they were graped because the spent lots of money? … how stupid. They aren’t mutually exclusive???

[@trustnoone3007]

I will not watch this Netflix series based on Ryan Murphy’s obsession with his gay lifestyle by shoehorning and implying that the brothers were gay and they had a “intimate relationship” with one another. That is sickening. Ryan Murphy is known for this and it needs to stop just because he’s a gay man. Don’t create something by making it your own when you know that it’s not true from the actual story.

[@TreySarver]

Lyle and Erik being in an incestuous relationship has the same amount of evidence as Lyle and Erik being abused does. 🤷‍♂️

[@mish4164]

Absolutely correct. Hopefully they can take legal action once they are out. Putting their own unproven narrative on the viewing audience to satisfy their own perversions also cancels me out from watching it.

[@missa1goins]

@mish4164, same. I recall watching this episode on dateline and all this extra wasn't in that episode.

[@Supamav11]

The show never once implied that Erik and Lyle had a romantic or sexual relationship.

[@Spiritualchick82]

Thank you, and I agree with your comment about Murphy always pushing the gay agenda. It is gross and unnecessary, recall to insert it into a real life story to make the brothers seem gay. Just nasty and inappropriate hedonism. Everything that man creates is about darkness and horror and gore. I do Completely believe they were abused! Especially after seeing that Menudo documentary! But yeah, I won't be watching this miniseries. I stay away from anything having to do with Ryan Murphy.

[@youtubeaccount5356]

I feel like they unalived their parents for their money, and once they got caught they used the abuse as an excuse (not saying the parents didn't deserve it but ye).

[@missa1goins]

I agree!

[@MicheleEllis-pj1dq]

Exactly

[@courtneysimmons4187]

… what are you basing that belief on

[@daisyyyyw_]

I agree!!

[@lonette8314]

It definitely was not money motivated. Also this isn't tiktok, you dont have to say "unalived".

[@ONLYinANTARCTICA]

The Menendez were no doubt abused. However, that doesn’t justify murdering their mother and father despite their parents flaws. I have a narcissistic mother that abused and took advantage of me when I was younger. However, a few of my mother’s friends saw through the facade and gave good advice to contact the authorities and leave my mother when I was legal enough to do so. It was the best advice I got from friends outside the family. Now my narcissistic mother is a senior and all alone. She lost all her friends and family. An appropriate end to such a manipulative person/parent.

[@akp214]

Shut up

[@PartyyyMartyyy]

Bingo

[@lipsyncriah3031]

the thing is. you got help. and they didn'nt.

[@PartyyyMartyyy]

@lipsyncriah3031 like you know? Lol so many people acting as if they knew the boys. Ever think help was offered and they just didnt see it or want it? There actions say enough once the deed was done. Nothing but fun and money.

[@TreySarver]

There’s a lot of doubts to them being abused. They had been in jail for two years before they stumbled upon that theory (also right when they hired Abramson)

[@sarahh.9687]

Ew stop showing Barbara's old clips. She was so insensitive and judgemental.

[@Lisa.G412]

I truly believe that they should of only gotten 25 years at most

[@lonette8314]

They should have not had to serve time at all.

[@Scene68]

The father would have been arrested before being murdered in today's society for child exploitation and labeled a sex offender, and done some prison time. Back in 1989, it was "unheard" of that boys could be molested by another man. Smh. Today, they should freed IMO as they're not a threat to society.

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

But they never accused father until they murdered them bc it wasn’t true

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

Menedez are liars

[@missym877]

I never got the “handsome” brothers angle. Erik always looked creepy and sadistic to me with how much he was smirking during the trial.

[@saraheart2804]

They aren't attractive, but I guess that has nothing to do with the case.

[@herjitpannu2282]

That is because women are just nuts

[@AA-qb7ni]

Im actually excited for the documentary because it will be from the brothers perspective and not that weird series. They deserve to be free and tell THEIR story!!!

[@mayacohen2774]

It’s an amazing story ! I just watched that !

[@ShinbiBelldandy]

Everyone brings up privilege but that’s not always fair. Yes, their father was well off, but that came later. The boys were abused & couldn’t even control what they wanted to do with their lives. Being physically present doesn’t mean someone is a good parent. And denying abuse due to outdated views is what partly caused this case to happen. No one on the brothers side is saying they’re innocent, we just don’t believe they deserved life. In the first trial, the men wanted murder, the women wanted manslaughter. In the second trial, they gutted the evidence & witness list to guarantee a murder conviction. The Menendez brothers were failed several times over.

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

Get a life It’s a bunch of moron girls on tiktok These 2 are evil Pure evil They home invaded my cousins home stole grandparents jewelry silver Her family sold house bc they knew murders had roamed house while they were asleep Not kids Princeton grads who could work in nyc never see parents again but they were spoiled too lazy to work

[@JigsawBell]

Be glad your parents did not spoil you. These 2 looked ridiculous; from the moment they killed their parents until they were sentenced.

[@mayacohen2774]

They were not spoiled at all ! Many witnesses ( teachers, coaches. Relatives) in first trial ( watch documentary) told they were humble frightened kids ! Family knew they were abused . Father was a narcissistic psychopath who broker they mother first ( she became suicidal alcoholic and drug addict) to do with kids whatever he wants !

[@JigsawBell]

@@mayacohen2774 If that was true, they would have been released from jail by now. Bad people belong in jail.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

@@JigsawBellSo that’s not true. Many innocent people have served sentences in jail. Many criminals walk free. There is court evidence for everything @mayacohen2774 said By your comment, you seem to believe that, in that case that’s there is evidence for these claims, that they would (and should be freed). Those things are true. And they aren’t free. The Justice system is unjust.

[@JigsawBell]

@@courtneysimmons4187 The justice system locks up people who are not fit to be in society. Neither one of the brothers was going to humble themselves and do the right thing in life. People think because they came from a wealthy family they would be moderately successful at some point. Nope. Things work differently in the real world. These 2 would have dug their own graves a different way had they not chosen to kill their parents. Scumbags.

[@freedomoffgrid82]

reminds me of the dumb & dumber movie every time i hear about it

[@marie-laurence1308]

That’s why they use Netflix to be out As the people are naive now they are innocent It’s not a partial movie

[@ruth_833]

it's not a movie.

[@oscar708]

Bro. What are you talking about? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@courtneysimmons4187]

@@ruth_833lol right😂 like you must’ve not watched it

[@michaelbressette2599]

I recently watched the netflix series Monsters & had no clue what it was about. When I realized what it was all about I was sickened by it & from what I learned of it, the bothers where will within their rights to kill their parents to stop being terrorized by their parents. This is justifiable homicide. Those boys should not have spent any time in prison, instead a short term probation & some Psychotherapy may have been a better solution but the Law & its all mightiness punishes everyone who deviates regardless of the circumstance, so shame on the justice system or lack there of...

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

Omg are you a dumbass Brainwashed It’s a bunch of moron girls on tiktok These 2 are evil Pure evil They home invaded my cousins home stole grandparents jewelry silver Her family sold house bc they knew murders had roamed house while they were asleep Not kids Princeton grads who could work in nyc never see parents again but they were spoiled too lazy to work

[@xlnuniex]

Release them!!!

[@Lachargers69]

Complete bull crap they were 18 and 21 years old had no right to be even living in the house they had a lot of choices amazing the choice they picked was from the spoiled end of life....

[@herjitpannu2282]

In some families it's not a choice. Especially in foreign families.

[@Lachargers69]

@@herjitpannu2282 the family you speak of our USA family not foreign..

[@courtneysimmons4187]

They had the mental capacity of an 8 and 10 year old

[@ninisantiago3235]

@@courtneysimmons4187yes this was proven also 😢

[@AceChannel188]

This case should be reopened and would have a representative from behavioural health to examine the behaviour and veracity of the culprits.

[@mayacohen2774]

Yes! Agreed

[@Dalatuaf]

It's troubling that ANYONE could believe that these monsters are innocent of the horrific crimes for which they've been rightly convicted. If this is the case, then you're living vicariously through these demons. The nature and manner in which they executed their parents is not even REMOTELY close to self-defense or any other defense for that matter.

[@minnie.winter]

Exactly. People forget that they are murderers like how can you continue with your day as if nothing happened after you just murdered two people??? By that logic anyone can kill because "the circumstances". How can people excuse murder?

[@Dalatuaf]

@@minnie.winter the sentiment of people nowadays coupled with a warped sense of logic is disturbing

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

It’s a bunch of moron girls on tiktok These 2 are evil Pure evil They home invaded my cousins home stole grandparents jewelry silver Her family sold house bc they knew murders had roamed house while they were asleep Not kids Princeton grads who could work in nyc never see parents again but they were spoiled too lazy to work

[@mrsv5736]

They are absolutely NOT innocent. They did do it. But understand the CIRCUMSTANCES. It was absolutely wrong. But life with no parole for killing their abuser is not ok

[@eddyybears]

It's so sad to see them having to relive all these acts.. I pray for their healing! ❤

[@SammmySmith-t6s]

It’s a bunch of moron girls on tiktok These 2 are evil Pure evil They home invaded my cousins home stole grandparents jewelry silver Her family sold house bc they knew murders had roamed house while they were asleep Not kids Princeton grads who could work in nyc never see parents again but they were spoiled too lazy to work

[@dee1901]

Imagine if Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial transpired same era as the Menendez brothers..

[@LeilanaV]

I feel sorry for them .homicidal thoughts are easy to have towards a bad parent or relative that's hurt you had like my dad to my future who was part of my traumatizing past experiences. They should have hope to have freedom but! Not for 7 more years by then my life has improved greatly that's why ...

[@14spokenwords]

No mention of any abuse to the psychiatrist after their father died or prior to the trial either. Remember they're in prison due to their own stupidity. We wouldn't even be having this moral dilemma right now if they just shut it up, but probably because they were so racked with guilt that one of the brother's had told on themselves. The way they were spending money and already getting into trouble. That money would have been long gone in a matter of years. if they're released I think that they did enough time. But I don't want to see them vindicated for Murdering their Mother. They planned the whole attack and replicated that movie the Billionaire Boys club almost exactly... buying a Jeep Wrangler and Rolexes. Erick even wrote a screenplay about a rich kid that murders his father. I think Lyle orchestrated most of it, and Erick believed his brother. At any rate. They confessed when they should have went to the grave with that

[@sonia68ish]

This boys should’ve been charged for manslaughter and they should’ve been out by now. They were clearly abused. It’s so sad what they went through.

[@OffWhiteDaz]

They were adults who could have reported the abuse to police. Money was their main motivation for the murders. Their dad was a terrible person but there are other ways they could have legally dealt with it. Ironically if the father was convicted, the brothers could have sued civilly and they would have got the money anyway.

[@mayacohen2774]

Watch documentary! They were raised in abuse from 6 yo !

[@OffWhiteDaz]

Yeah I've watched several documentaries on the case. I also watched the first trail on TV when it happened. I've also read the legal definition of self defense in California at the time of the crime. They were not in "imminent or immediate danger" so their self defense argument is not valid. You can't kill someone because you think they might kill you in the future, you have to be in danger at that moment. This was a premeditated ambush & execution of two people. Even if the victims were terrible abusers that doesn't justify the brothers actions. 2 things can be true at once. For instance the brothers can be both victims of abuse and murderers just as the parents can be both terrible abusers and also the victims of a homicide. In reality they killed them for money and revenge, not in self defense as they argued at trial

[@ninisantiago3235]

Unless you went through it you don’t know how hard it is. You don’t just think it’s you vs that person you think it’s you vs them. I was sa 9 maybe 10-15 …. I only spoke up cuz I ended in a hospital being sick n they saw I wasn’t a virgin… I had that help to speak. Not many do. I think back n say wow I would’ve done this n that but you don’t think that while it’s happening.

[@boomnews815]

Vigilantism is illegal. You don't get to pew pew anyone who hurts you.

[@Jenesaisquoi44]

I agree - no one needs these two dating their child. Situation Action Result. They were old enough to shoot - they were also old enough to know better and make two formal reports.

[@sarahh.9687]

SA'ing children is illegal too, yet there was Jose...

[@boomnews815]

@@sarahh.9687 I hold myself to a higher standard, don't you?

[@adonnarowe1811]

the series was amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@edbreezy11]

The former Menudo member coming out to admit that Jose harmed him should be a game changer, wonder if the other members were victimized themselves?

[@teamcougars]

I don’t believe the allegations they made against their parents I have always believed they were an attempt to get sympathy to try to get away with murdering their parents 😢

[@Wildrover82]

Definitely.💯👌

[@aylen3322]

write your own movie not based on someone’s life… ! like how do you just take someone’s story and not even do it accurately?!

[@fleece192]

Binged last night. I’m not sure who to believe . Kinda on the brother’s side. But.

[@PartyyyMartyyy]

its a dramatized show...

[@mayacohen2774]

Watch documentary! Tons of witnesses ! Not guilty!

[@courtneysimmons4187]

It’s not black and white. Facts are “discernible truths.” There’s so much you can’t discern. Looking at what I can… at what I know, I feel bad for everyone involved.

[@My2CentsYall]

In a perfect world they would be with their parents. The idea they killed them for their money... what a poor excuse for sons.

[@tara-p7w]

They didn't kill them for money. Wtf are you talking about??

[@yeezuschrist1061]

@@tara-p7wwhy flee the scene and try to get away with it ? GUILT THATS why he told the therapist GUILT

[@tara-p7w]

@@yeezuschrist1061 Omfg. If you're still asking those stupid questions maybe you need research the case some more.

[@TreySarver]

@@tara-p7w if you believe Lyle and Erik you haven’t researched the case at all

[@Mostverdeg]

@@TreySarvernot only is there evidence of their abuse (ie. Erik told his cousin years ago, essay Lyle wrote about prosecuting an abuser when he was in school, naked photos, the dad showing child pornography at dinners, family members accounts etc.) there is also a member of Menudo that’s come forward about their own abuse by Jose Menéndez. What research have you done.

[@primalcritters]

Release them now

[@rachelelisabeth1189]

I think that the creators and cast of "Monsters" should be ashamed.

[@herjitpannu2282]

People lie about abuse all the time. When i sued my contractor for stealing my money his defense was i created a hostile work environment by verbally abusing him. Which was not true despite all the shoddy job he did. I still won the case and the douchebag still has not paid up after the judgment. Show the true character of theses liars. Abuse without any evidence should not even be considered.

[@mayacohen2774]

Do you compare your story with this one ?

[@mayacohen2774]

First trial has tons of evidences and witnesses and they were close to be released but it’s turned to be a second trial where all these evidences were dismissed

[@courtneysimmons4187]

Do you have evidence that it didn’t happen? They killed their evidence so you can’t go get it. BUT there’s so much that points to an abusive relationship. Things I highly doubt one would make up: - abusing their own brother (Lyle) - the premature hair loss - the pictures of groping - the cinnamon and lemon to make come taste better - the shower s** - those times causing erik to question his sexuality (in the 90s where people hated gays!!) - being called the f slur regularly - the family members and friends bearing witness - the marks on their bodies - the tears as Lyle apologized to his brother Watch the trials.

[@herjitpannu2282]

@@courtneysimmons4187 have you ever dealt with sociopaths? Those people have no problem lying, manufacturing stories, and faking emotions. In a court of law you need evidence , without evidence it rightfully has no standing

[@courtneysimmons4187]

@@herjitpannu2282 I get the whole innocent till proven guilty thing. I’d watch the trials if I were you

[@hippiecheezburger5457]

I think they’re perfectly fine where they are

[@vxmio]

No what???

[@TreySarver]

@@vxmiodefense teams are taking advantage of Zoomers not consuming any content before they were born. Yolanda Saldivar and Casey Anthony have similar docs. Those defending Lyle and Erik fell for a conspiracy theory, plain and simple

[@izzyb3928]

So basically you're okay with pedophiles.

[@wtfa2910]

To kill to survive only to go to jail for most of your life that makes sense I just wish we could ask their parents their side of the story too bad

[@bobk1423]

They were old enough to just leave home instead

[@allieknorr5917]

The father was super controlling. One of them ran away, but the father found him then abused him afterwards

[@tara-p7w]

Of course, people like you continue to blame and criticize DV victims for not being able to escape their abusers. Victim blaming at its finest smh

[@yeezuschrist1061]

@@allieknorr5917lies lies lies

[@bobk1423]

Nothing a double homicide and $700k spending spree can’t fix!

[@trevorb2025]

@@bobk1423you’re weird

[@tracieholland8298]

They are the Victims set them free

[@Daniellemarie10]

The abuse excuse is revitalizing the victim there is no excuse for abuse of any kind especially by the 2 people that are supposed to love and take care of you the 2 people you should be able to trust the most in this world your parents I'm sending prayers and healing vibes to Eric and Lyle Mendez i hope they are released from prison soon 🙏❤️

[@ft_ph]

What their father did if he did, was wrong, but killing someone is also wrong. But i can’t judge because I was not in their position.

[@bmoshareholderappleshareho855]

"There's no excuse for violence.' That's what a social worker told me. "That's unfortunate." That's what a federal judge said to me. The law expects people to be thick-skinned." That's what a lawyer said to me. So based on those above words, that means the the brothers belong in prison.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 Self defense isn’t a thing?

[@courtneysimmons4187]

Me neither. What they did was wrong. But if their father did what they say, then they are not guilty of premeditated first degree murder. The committed manslaughter

[@sissy9393]

The prosecutors are reviewing the sentence and they’re gonna decide if they should get a new sentence or if they should get a new Trial. For me, it depends on what the brothers want. I understand if they get a new sentence still be freed right away if they get a new trial it might take a little while. I’m most certainly believe they’re innocent of these charges because of the torture these parents put their children through since they were babies.

[@debrafrakes6479]

Very hard to watch the parts telling if the abuse…….they should be released!

[@702SinSuper]

"I'm just a normal kid" 😅 you grown ass hell but trying to pull on the emotions of weak minded people. She shut that down when she said Normal? You killed your parents! Erick - I know....

[@courtneysimmons4187]

He’s clearly not in his right mind. Someone “pulling on emotions of weak minded people” would be a master manipulator. He clearly is not that. People are so heartless.

[@im_agine852]

MONEY is the root of ALL

[@hi.goodbye2167]

EVIL

[@im_agine852]

@@hi.goodbye2167 are you evil? The root of your rent is....MONEY. The root of your car is MONEY for gas and insurance etc. I'm not quoting the Bible.

[@hi.goodbye2167]

@@im_agine852 Ok

[@missa1goins]

Having no money is the root of all evil

[@im_agine852]

@@missa1goins is that like Idle hands are the devil's playground?

[@beverlyallison4768]

The movie was so inaccurate that it’s not worth watching

[@bartofdarkness]

The Ryan Murphy's series is full of mistakes but I think it's helping reopen the case. They must be free!

[@giuseppeesposito7510]

Isn't the fact that there is a hung jury the most clear proof that there is a reasonable doubt? or when there is reasonable doubt you repeat the trial with a new jury? what a weird justice system

[@jawsh6044]

It was a hung jury for a reason. It should have been left at that because that's the purpose of a jury. The DA office didn't like it so they redid it. The entire second trial was a sham.

[@brucewayne1662]

The burden of proof shifted against the brothers once they admitted to the crime and accused their victim of a crime (who isnt even alive to defend themselves in court).

[@sissy9393]

I swear Gen X was blamed for everything if you were 13 and you were pregnant it was all your fault if you were 15 and run away from home because you’re a rped it’s all your fault. I was that 15 yo. My friend was that 13 yo. And no the ADULT MEN were never even arrested. As a GenX I am telling you we were blamed. Even though my parents tried so hard to help me, they had horrible advice from therapists, an evil psychologist, and many drugs forced fed to me by different Psychiatrists. I’m surprised they didn’t give them Menendez brothers death .

[@mikekellum6238]

Pure BS. Just like the countless other killers who after the murders and then caught cry abuse. You know what, if one is being abused and they come to the point of murder I suggest they don’t do two things. Call the police and LIE about the event and then go out on a shopping spree while spending the money of the victims. BTW, if Dad was an abuser why kill Mom? Oh that’s right to cover up the crime. Amazing how some peop,e are easily swayed by these murderers.

[@aidanjarvis]

51 witnesses in the original trial backed the abuse story going back years. The only reason they are in prison is cus the judge blocked them from talking about the abuse in the second trial.

[@702SinSuper]

​@@aidanjarvisnone of them lived with them either however the maid who lived with them said she never seen anything but the boys talking to the parents like dirt.

[@aidanjarvis]

@@702SinSuper can you send me a link for that information so I can read up on that?

[@TreySarver]

@@aidanjarvis they had been in jail for two years before they started saying they were abused. You fell for a TikTok conspiracy theory, it happens.

[@aidanjarvis]

@@TreySarver they must have used that spare Time Machine to create actual evidence and history to support the claims. Not to mention the fact the story has not changed one bit in 35 years. Tell me again about your conspiracy theory of shooting the mother 10 times just for money again 😳

[@makebaheskey1844]

Probably if they havent go on a shopping spree they wouldnt have got that heavy sentences

[@Honeymoon1988]

Look, abuse is a terrible thing. I’ve been s/a before by my ex and he almost killed me. Worst moment of my life. He was terrible for doing that to me but I never harmed him… there’s no excuse for abuse but you don’t take things into our own hands and take away lives. They were spared the death penalty but they should stay behind bars for taking their parents lives. Simple, I hope they stay where they are. All these people who want criminals free because they had a hard life is ridiculous. Look how people wanted gypsy free but now they realized she’s not the best person and is narcissistic and people want her back in prison. Doesn’t work that way. The justice system did its job. Let it be.

[@herjitpannu2282]

These people that want criminals to be free would not be so adamant about it if they were their victims. I guarantee you if they were the victims they would not be so open to their freedom.

[@Honeymoon1988]

@@herjitpannu2282 exactly.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

“Spared the death penalty”???? When they had reason to question their safety? Self defense is legal. And capital punishment is a stain on our justice system. Nothing just about how it works. The gas chambers would’ve been an evil thing to condemn those boys to. Also I’m so sorry for what you went through. You must understand how experiencing that from the age of 6 at the hands of your father for more than a decade consistently… is inhumane. Death for the victim of that even moreso. SA and murder are but inhumane and deplorable acts.

[@jamesstewart8377]

These kids were getting written out of the inheritance and they couldn’t face a life having to earn their way without everything they had been treated to their entire lives. Anything else is mere defense strategy that didn’t come out until they met Leslie Abrams.

[@crystald4506]

Their upbringing was tragic, but they were both adults at the time of the premeditated crime and had other options than to murder their parents. At 18 years old, you are an adult in this country and can move out of your parent’s home. They had access to therapy to work through their trauma which many hard working middle class people don’t. I feel bad for the trauma they went through, but ultimately they made a choice and have to live out the consequences.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

They had the mind and emotional depth of a 8 and 10 year old according to physiologists. I love how you identified the tragic story of their upbringing. Now take the step further to admit that boys who grew up wealthy, graped, and gaslit with complete reliance on their abuser and the mind of young children… wouldn’t move out. They wouldn’t even imagine it’s an option.

[@courtneysimmons4187]

They had the mind and emotional depth of a 8 and 10 year old according to physiologists. I love how you identified the tragic story of their upbringing. Now take the step further to admit that boys who grew up wealthy, graped, and gaslit with complete reliance on their abuser and the mind of young children… wouldn’t move out. They wouldn’t even imagine it’s an option.

[@JERSEYNWK]

Simple as this Gipsy Rose Blanchard !!!

[@stonecake313]

Their cases are totally different. Gypsy didn’t do the killing and had very clear documented evidence of her mother’s crazy abuse. There was no confusion about motive, like money. Comparing her case and the menendez case doesn’t make sense

[@sierramcclary2897]

Those are two different cases

[@lolah3838]

LOL. You might want to rethink that analogy brainiac.

[@JERSEYNWK]

@@lolah3838 I guess you was the fly on the wall

[@JERSEYNWK]

@@stonecake313 do you know that I was $

[@WeirdDensity]

The show was very good

[@F30586]

The series makes it clear, whoever put it together doesn’t want these two to ever be out of prison. From the first 5 minutes, it’s evident. This was made and put out so, perfectly timed, with the hopes that it would sabotage any opportunities for them to gain their freedom.

[@everysongends]

i hope they be free soon

[@Habach-Am]

Ryan Murphy also takes the opportunity to tell stories as he sees fit. There is a true story and that is that they were abused by their parents! They had no choice, the father was a bully of the music industry, he could do whatever he wanted if his children tried to escape with that dirty secret! Use the neur0ns please!

[@blackpinkunniexl]

they can never get a new trial

[@christianviiperi]

I hope and pray that the brothers are finally released. These two have never known freedom. First at the hand of their father, and now by the justice system. They’ve done their time, and then some. I think we all know by now who the real monsters were.

[@lolah3838]

It's gross and irresponsible to sensationalize, fictionalize and trivialize this case. Javier & Chloe claim they were portraying a fiction and Connor claims he told Erik that he was being as honest as he could with the portrayal. Which is it? Ryan Murphy is so trashy. The ick factor is high in this one.

[@risaandjesus]

I do not understand why they are still in jail. They were tortured as kids, as kids!!!! The years go on and Erik is going to college. The father still wants and demands him home????? Sounds like he wanted his convenient boy toy son to stay. Sick!!! They wanted to escape. I always believed their story. Pedophiles are out there and child sexual abuse is an epidemic for females AND males!!!!!!

[@mayacohen2774]

100%

[@renatapalubinskasesoterica9217]

They sjould go free!

[@teneshaanderson4761]

The whole family are monsters

[@ceejay4294]

Free them!!!!

[@NaomiJohnson-Granruth]

Unfortunately, they are men in the American prison system, women have a greater chance of being released. Prayers to these men and their families.

[@JDRMC]

I thought the stupid video was about to show? Not abc reporters 😅

[@binahnguyen3006]

It was premeditated murder. The sentence fit the crime. Period. Case closed. These brothers are just greedy bastards. Stop the privilege!

[@alfonsopayra]

FREE THEM NOW

[@Habach-Am]

So it's incredible to you that the abuse happened to you because you were a wealthy family? Come on, Cuban parents have terrible records, it's not the first case of that kind with a Cuban father!

[@ricardocantoral7672]

I stopped watching this video. I am tired of the media's sensationalism.

[@yaboy1689]

I think theyre very good actors 🤷‍♂️ I could be wrong tho

[@courtneysimmons4187]

Why assume they’re lying? Why not assume what they are saying is true?

[@debrafrakes6479]

Let them out!

[@KDrop84]

It’s seperate. They killed their parents. They were abused. But they killed their parents.

[@mayacohen2774]

They didn’t have a choice ! It’s a life time abuse !

[@courtneysimmons4187]

But they were abused. You could go back and forth all day.

[@tasharica]

Not Menendez sisters lol

[@aurorajuarez9930]

This brothers are innocents 😇😇. The father is a demon 👹.

[@Truestory-zb4vw]

FREE THEM

[@SpongeBobSquarePantsNickJr]

I’m sick of seeing another video recommendation about these brothers on KZbin. This is the 210th video recommendation in the last 30 days. I’m sick of it. Get some new material. 🤬

[@conspiraTea]

It’s because you’re engaging with it so KZbin is recommending it to you

[@nicolebrulloths4562]

It was the father

[@oscar708]

Free them… where is the governors pardon…