ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING - *TED LASSO* Reaction - 2x8 - Man City

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Ted and Dr. Sharon realize they might have to meet each other halfway. Tensions are high as the team prepares for their FA Cup semi-final against Man City.
American college football coach Ted Lasso heads to London to manage AFC Richmond, a struggling English Premier League football team.
Ted Lasso is an American sports comedy-drama television series developed by Jason Sudeikis, Bill Lawrence, Brendan Hunt and Joe Kelly, based on a character Sudeikis first portrayed in a series of promos for NBC Sports' coverage of England's Premier League.[2] The show follows Ted Lasso, an American college football coach who is hired to coach an English soccer team with the secret intention that his inexperience will lead it to failure, but whose folksy, optimistic leadership proves unexpectedly successful.
The first season of ten episodes premiered on Apple TV+ on August 14, 2020, with three episodes followed by weekly installments.[3] A second season of 12 episodes premiered on July 23, 2021.[4][5][6] In October 2020, the series was renewed for a third season,[7] which will premiere on March 15, 2023.[8]
The series has received critical acclaim, with particular praise for its performances (particularly Sudeikis, Hannah Waddingham, and Brett Goldstein), humor, writing, themes, and uplifting tone. Among other accolades, its first season was nominated for 20 Primetime Emmy Awards, becoming the most nominated first-season comedy in Emmy Award history. Sudeikis, Waddingham and Goldstein won for their performances, and the series won the 2021 Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Comedy Series. Sudeikis also won the Golden Globe Award for Best Actor - Television Series Musical or Comedy and the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Comedy Series.
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[@SquiresIsle]

Not to make it even more painful, because it's hard to watch dry-eyed as it is. But if you pay close attention, right before Roy hugs Jamie, Jamie flinches. His shoulders rise up like he's about to get hit and it kills me every time. It's so obvious to everyone else that Roy is about to hug him, but Jamie - because of his dad - can only imagine he's about to get hit.

[@TheLexiCrowd]

Thanks i hate it

[@fayesouthall6604]

That hit me like a punch because he needed that hug. I noticed the other players shrink back too.

[@joeypotter6051]

And the way that Roy starts out patting his back with a closed hand and then slowly opens his hand and holds Jamie more tenderly. Breaks my heart.

[@rumi1970dg]

this is a nice callback to season 1, as there were a lot of hints that jamie's relationship with his dad was abusive. remember in episode 6 when Dani first showed up and tried to high five jamie? jamie flinched like crazy, and we all thought he was being an ass for no reason, but now we know why

[@brl0522]

You don’t ever stop talking !!!

[@krystofdayne]

I _love_ that Jamie's confrontation with his dad and him punching him wasn't framed as like a great triumph, something to be celebrated, but as a moment of deep grief. Something that no one should have to go through with their father. It just sends such a good message about masculinity, that it isn't about beating back and "overcoming" your abusive father, but the fact that having such a father and that you are confronted with these situations, that your father has always imparted those toxic ideas on you, that that's a tragedy actually. And that Jamie rightly needed comfort in this moment. And the fact that it's Roy, someone who has himself had to come to terms with embracing his more vulnerable side, makes it that much better.

[@kateorgera5907]

The thing is, Jamie's dad was absent from his life for a long time. He didn't start showing up until Jamie started doing well. That it STILL affects Jamie so strongly makes you feel so terrible, but also relieved it wasn't *worse*. That Jamie didn't internalize that abuse like a kid who grew up with it would have.

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

Agreed. I have wanted to punch my father many times over the years but have never lost control enough to do so. Felt so badly for Jamie that his unrelenting shithole of a father started getting physical when Jamie was not responding to his verbal abuse, giving him little choice and almost forcing him to do it. For a character who started out with so little self-awareness he clearly knew in that moment that he would have to live the rest of his life feeling terrible about having done it.

[@Elnont]

What really gets me in the scene with his dad is the performance from Jamie’s actor. The dissociative look he has in his eye, the fear and regret he has when his dad gets back up, as if he knows what’s about to come - the way he flinches from Roy’s hug. Ugh.

[@s1ren_exe]

i’m also incredibly uncomfy with sam/rebecca but i have to admit “why did you send me your address” “for next time :)” was smooth asf

[@HarbekVideos]

I suspected the thing about Ted's dad partly from his behaviour (as you talk about) after finding out in s1 that he died when Ted was 16. And partly because of the conversation with Jamie about his dad, in the pub. When Ted says "My dad was a lot harder on himself than he ever was on me." and Jamie says "You're lucky," and Ted gives a LOOK. (Again. Foreshadowing in this show? Fantastic.) Oof. So many feelings.

[@kateorgera5907]

Can I just say, I love that Sharon has her own therapist that helps her keep it real. I read the book "Maybe You Should Talk to Someone", written by a therapist who starts seeing a therapist during a crisis, and who acknowledges this is very normal for therapists to do. I think it explains some of Sharon's past behavior, such as her softening on Ted using "Doc". It also shows Sharon isn't so above it all, isn't a stereotypical therapist character. She's her own person.

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

I thought that it was a requirement for therapists? At least in the US. Any mental-health professionals out there that know what the rules are like that in different countries (or if there are any)?

[@kateorgera5907]

@@ulfsam-mule-son9726 Sure, but when do they show that on television?

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

@@kateorgera5907 True. The time-constraints of tv/movies definitely result in the mental-health of side-characters being cut out. When the MC is a therapist, though (e.g., "The Patient" from last year) I feel like it does get addressed at least some of the time.

[@yzarian7658]

21:30 Lexi sounding exactly like Higgins made me laugh soo hard :D

[@craigmeaders3867]

Sam and Rebecca we’re going to be a thing as the names were from a live triangle on a very popular show “Cheers” in the ‘80’s which stared Jason Sudeikis’ uncle was a star. Lots of references throughout the show. Just a cool reference.

[@theadamabrams]

Kieran O'Brien did a great job as Jamie's dad. 19:14 Some of his mannerisms and insults are just like Season-1-Jaime, only cranked up so much worse. To me the biggest problem with Rebecca and Sam is the fact that he's her employee. That's a major power imbalance and therefore a big hurdle. That doesn't mean it can't possibly work, though, and I do think they're cute together. Of course, that's all just my reaction to it. It's interesting to see how vehemently you're against them being a couple!

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

Anyone else want Cassian to shoot him when he first shows up in Andor?? 😆

[@hcroussette]

I don't know much about football, but my understanding is that there are several cups that they can play in. They didn't get to the FA Cup final, but there's still more football to do this season. They are still trying to get promoted back in the Premier League.

[@gi8228]

I'm so obsessed with your frustration with sam and rebecca lmaooooo because that was exactly what i was feeling watching it lol it made me sooooo uncomfortable!! still does on rewatches tbh... I think the reaction to them was pretty evenly split some people liked it, some hated it, and some were like "whatever"

[@Delboy0]

Evenly split? It is to date the most watched episode of Ted Lasso, meaning most normal people loved the Rebecca/Sam romance. As they say racists love company.

[@gi8228]

@@Delboy0 that's a bold assumption lmao i did love the episode and i love sam and rebecca on their own but their "relationship" made me uncomfortable that's literally all i said... didn't say i hated it, didn't say i hate either of them or the episode itself. It's an amazing episode, one of the best of the whole series! I just don't love the ship also because he's 21 and she owns the team he plays for but mostly because it wasn't that developed, we didn't really see their interactions on the app and what we did see was pretty superficial and before this they only had one interaction where sam said he loves harry potter and that's pretty much the extent of their development so idk.. it's just not for me but i'm not judging anyone who ships them jeez whatever happened to be curious not judgmental?

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

@@Delboy0 That's a pretty shallow (skin-deep?) take - and not one that anyone truly 'color-blind' would ever think about - and I think it says more about you than the situation on the show. The relationship SHOULD, however, be very usettling to anyone who considers themselves a feminist and has ever felt distaste when a 60-year-old wealthy man is dating a 21-year old young woman. For me the age difference is very uncomfortable, and maybe that is rooted in biology since Rebecca is well-past child-bearing age. I don't consider that ageism (as other posters here have claimed), just realism - we are hard-wired that way as living creatures. But at 21 how many humans are fully emotionally developed, stable peoplle who make mostly wise choices?? 1%? 2%? As a parent my first gut reaction was to be very uncomfortable with this twist. Sam might actually be one of those few 21-year olds who can handle this kind of relationship, though. The professional aspect doesn't bother me too much either given the situation. Don't get me wrong - rules against boss/subordinate relationships in the corporate environment to prevent abuses of power are important. But in this case you could easily argue that as an internationally famous athlete Sam is NOT actually at any sort of power disadvantage to Rebecca. In fact, you could argue that the gender inequities of public life push the power balance in his favor in ways that it NEVER could with a rich man/younger woman dynamic...unless maybe Mia Hamm had started seeing some anonymous old codger back in the day. I do think that between the two of them the risk is higher for Sam if he wants to stay @ Richmond specifically, but he would be signed instantly anywhere else so he has no real worries about losing his ability to work, as is the case for the subordinate in most workplace relationships where getting your next job is heavily dependent on a good recommendation from your current employer. But they also did such a good job of building the story of their relationship growth as people whose age/race/power was irrelevant (through Bantr) that it takes some of the edge off of most peoples' instinctive discomfort and asks important questions about what relationships should really be about.

[@davids-s3626]

I really don’t see any chemistry between Ted and Rebecca romantically and really enjoy their friendship so I have never been rooting for them to get together. I can see how you might find the Sam/Rebecca relationship uncomfortable, but I think the way it grew out of them enjoying each other through the app makes it seem very wholesome. I really like them together personally, but I understand if it is not what you were hoping for. I am like you, though. I trust the writers this show to make decisions that I might not expect but will further flesh out these characters and tell an amazing story. I love watching your reactions.

[@Bekka_Noyb]

agreed! Ted & Rebecca have only friendship vibes!

[@fayesouthall6604]

Bingo

[@gregfeasel5874]

I absolutely love the hug between Roy and Jamie. The scene was so well put together (edited, acted, directed, written), and the Beware of Darkness song by George Harrison was the real topper. I am not sure how others interpreted the hug, but I see it as Roy felt Jamie's pain and understood why he behaves the way he does. The hug was done to calm him down. Ted came out to Dr. Sharon about his father's death because of what happened in the locker room. How do you see it Lexi?

[@lindalee5866]

Agreed. I've watched the scene so many times! It's perfect! The actor playing Jamie's dad is brilliant. And yeah, Beware of Darkness is perfect here (and one of my favorite GH tunes :).

[@JohnSmith-wh2ob]

Well remember George Harrison dying had a profound effect on Jamie

[@johntate6537]

I think both their characters are beautifully written. I also think that a lot of Roy's character 'development' is really him becoming increasingly able to express openly things that have been a part of him for many years - his thing with his yoga mums, his loving being a good uncle to Phoebe - and remember that she points out that one of the good things he has tought her is to stand up to bullies. That was even really one of the main things that made him hate Jamie early on - that he was a bully. That nurturing soft side has been encourage by Ted at this point along with encouraging Roy to see himself as a leader, someone who steps in and acts when it's needed. It's part of the brilliance of this show that moments like this catch you by surprise, but on reflection make total sense from everything that's gone before. All that and encouraging men to be kind to one another, women to look out for each other, men and women to value relationships for the person and not just the surface details. For me anyway, that's why Ted Lasso is one of those works of art that feels like water in the desert.

[@fayesouthall6604]

The team have different skills knitting and hair cutting. The doctor btw is Roy’s sister.

[@david.j9.rabbithole808]

Hi. Just wanted to pop in the comments and say I’m really enjoying your reactions. Thanks for doing what you do!

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

Don't understand the discomfort with the Sam and Rebecca storyline. In Britain Karen Brady was running Birmingham City FC and she ended up dating and eventually marrying one of the players and it wasn't much of a scandal so it's not against any rules per see and I also liked the fact that they were attracted to each others personalities first rather than looks so I had the complete opposite reaction and was rooting for them

[@Delboy0]

You being naive, look at the disgust in her face when Sam kisses Rebecca, she is giving major racist vibes. I’ve seen other reactors to this moment question whether it is good idea long term, but never an reaction of disgust. I will not be watching anymore of her videos.

[@michaelcurtis925]

1 of my favorite episodes. Ppl seemed split pretty evenly on Rebecca and Sam. I just love both of them so much as characters that it worked for me. I’m definitely pro Rebecca/Sam even with the awkward work dynamic.

[@josephbrambil2868]

just in case no one has explained it to you yet, the semi final in this game was not for the normal league. It was for a special tournament called the FA cup where every team in England (even armature teams) can technically qualify for and compete in. That is why Richmond played Man city even though Man city is in a higher league then Richmond. The FA cup runs concurrent with the normal league season. So Richmond has been eliminated from the FA cup, they still have their normal league games, can can still win that league or earn a promotion (3 out of 24 teams in the championship- 2nd tier league, get promoted even though only one team can win that league).

[@DONTHASSLETHEHOFF]

The moment when Ted opens up about his panic attacks is something else. I come from a background with a lot of fighting, drugs and so on. Me and my friends, all of us growing up with either parents who killed themselves, a parent or bonusparent thas was involved in heavy crimes, fathers who were alcoholics, fathers who beat us and our mothers and so on. But to this day, these guys are the most loving ones if one of us cracks at anytime because of whatever happened. No hidden agendas, no talking behind each others backs. We share tears together and we shed blood together. I'm not sure the writers was aiming to go that deep. But it's how it is for many of us. When we need each other, there's no judging. Cause' we know what all of us has been through. Side note: People like his dad in that locker room, they exist, Ive seen far worse. Dad's that make Tart's dad look like a good one.

[@krystofdayne]

The fact that Sam and Rebecca have a big age difference never bothered me, and on the contrary, it's one of the reasons why I sort of ship them. Ageism when it comes to relationships is a big thing, and I honestly don't see a problem with two consenting adults engaging in a romantic relationship, regardless of their age, I actually think we need more representation of that. Couple that with the fact that he's a kid from Nigeria and she's a rich English woman just make it that much better. But.... the fact she's her boss is an issue. That sort of power dynamic is awkward and can be problematic. I won't spoil anything so we'll see how the show handles it ;-)

[@worldrummer]

"Oh no they're vibing. i HATE it here." 😂😂

[@stpnwlf9]

What baffles me is the people who are horrified with Rebecca/Sam becuase of the work dynamic but are still desperately hoping for Rebecca/Ted, like that ISN'T a work conflict. It's ridiculously shortsighted. By all work standards, they should BOTH be off limits.

[@josephbrambil2868]

I would argue that work relationships, while normally a bad idea, are more nuanced then most people these days realize and are not always a bad thing if done in a mature, open, consensual, and healthy way. Further, to be honest, the Sam and Rebecca relationship (strictly from a workplace prospective) is better then the Ted Rebecca relationship. Ted as coach and Rebecca as owner, literally have to work with each other and interact all the time. However, Owners of clubs and players of the club, (in real life at least) almost never actually interact with each other. The players day to day boss is the player. Often times, players don't actually meet the owner. Again, I'm not endorsing all or even most work relationships, but if we are going to be specific about it, lets look at all angles.

[@Knightowl1980]

You turned into Higgins at the end there with the gaggin lol -Sam and Rebecca is great !

[@imbateman]

Rewatching this made me realize we find out in season three the nurse who takes care of the therapist is Roy Kent’s sister/Phoebe’s mom.

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

That's one extended Roy Kent "Fuuuuuuuuck" from me. Can't believe I didn't catch that. Good call!

[@nesleehan5]

From what I've seen, most people don't mind Rebecca and Sam at all. I personally really dislike it. So I'm right there with you. But still, this show is so good, the characters are so layered that they make it work and there's a real purpose for the storyline. I am especially in love with Ted's mental health storyline this season and they really do a great job with it. As always, very enjoyable reaction!

[@Bekka_Noyb]

Actually kinda rooting for Sam & Rebecca 😳 ♥ Ted & Sharon scenes in this episode 'oops' - Beard 😃 ♥ Roy hugging Jamie

[@m.i.n.k.y.m.o.o.]

2x8 guys is everything!

[@kevincunningham9868]

I know it seems random...but that ER doctor did have some legendary eyebrows...👀 South London is a small world...

[@taiwanwhite5762]

No spoilers, but try to remember the doctor's face. You'll see her again.

[@hcroussette]

My feelings about Sam and Rebecca were conflicted. On one hand, they were just so adorable and looked so happy together, and on the other hand, it made me uncomfortable when I started to think about it too much given the age difference and the fact that she's her boss and that they're both public figures.

[@itachiuchiha6604]

If one of your big problems is shes his boss but rooting for ted well shes his boss too the only difference is age however would you have the same problem if sam was the older one a rebecca was the younger one? If not then that would be double standards right?

[@timgreenwald1043]

Only on Fridays!? But who knows when that is!?

[@kateorgera5907]

Also, Lexi, I get your reluctance on Rebecca and Sam, especially not knowing how it's all going to work out. I do wonder if perhaps I was never that anxious about it because I'm a fan of the movie and musical Waitress? (spoilers below if you ever want to watch it) Waitress is the story of Jenna, who gets pregnant by an emotionally abusive husband, and ends up falling for her gynecologist (played in the movie by Nathan Fillion, so that helps). While they acknowledge that the affair is wrong (as both are married and he's her doctor), it does end up helping Jenna feel worthy of being loved again, in a way she hasn't felt with her husband in a long time. While they don't carry on the affair once she has the baby, her time with him was an important milestone for her. I see Rebecca and Sam the same way: They can't have a real long-term relationship, and Rebecca knows it, but she kind of needs this right now just to know that she can feel something again. It wouldn't work in reality, but it works for fiction. The musical has a great song called "Bad Idea" that I could totally see working for Sam and Rebecca XD.

[@reniesulaweyo4383]

People are pretty split on Sambecca. Some just prefer to ship Ted with Rebecca, others are uncomfortable with the age difference. Personally, I do think they would be cute and if you look back there are hints about attraction from Sam's side since the first season, but I am honestly not sure if they will be the endgame couple. The show throws you curve balls all the time. At this moment, I think Sam is good for Rebecca though, because she was only doing rebound sex without connection and at least with Sam there is more than just the physical. After Rupert, she needs to learn how to be vulnerable again to let herself find a great match for her, no matter who. This is a step in this direction.

[@grife3000]

"This ain't it sis" what a cute phrase you coined. Eagerly awaiting next episode, my favorite of the series. Yeah, I kinda ship them, Sam seems a nice guy.

[@Shinnizle]

I feel that most people are for the Sam and Rebecca storyline, but it's alright to have different opinions too! ❤

[@punz7777]

You are like the first person I've seen that is so against Rebecca and Sam haha

[@fayesouthall6604]

They look great together. There’s a power imbalance that if it was reversed people would probably question it. The man City game was very accurate. Needed the father drunk and rude.

[@Delboy0]

@@fayesouthall6604 You say this as she was shipping Ted Lasso and Rebecca, who is also Ted’s boss. Looks like a double standard of a racist. What is Ironic that I don’t even think Lexi is white.

[@guywattie]

​@@Delboy0what the fuck are you on about it's not even the same thing at all ted and Rebecca don't have a huge age gap between them for one.

[@incrediblyStupid678]

I honestly wanted to see Rebecca with Ted, but after a while I kind of wanted to see Sassy with Ted - I just want to see someone with Ted, okay? That man deserves to be loved and cherished! As for Rebecca and Sam: I'm okay with it. They are both good people. Don't like the boss/employee dynamic much in the light of how Rebecca reacted to her divorce, but then those were very extreme circumstances and she overcame them. I would like to believe she learned her lesson there and that if those two should have a bad breakup, things are still going to be okay. You never know of course. And this isn't me foreshadowing - I haven't watched the later episodes yet.

[@simoparzella8536]

Richmond is a second tier club playing against one of the 2 most dominant teams in the premier league in the last decade (aka Man City, the other being Liverpool), there was no way they would win that semifinal. Also the FA-Cup has nothing to do with getting promoted to the premier league ;)

[@joeypotter6051]

"Stop making it cute" = me. I love Jamie's arc in this episode, and that hug destroys me. But while I adore both Sam and Rebecca, I don't ship it either. The age gap and the boss/employee relationship are two big red flags for me.

[@rudy_4ier]

I haven't seen many Rebecca-Sam shippers, but I haven't seen anyone as openly against it as you are. I think it's also because you're the strongest Ted-Rebecca shipper I know. When you put all your hopes in one ship, you're just setting yourself up for potential disappointment. Most of people's comments I've read were just happy that they're both happy, wherever it takes them.

[@stevenrod100]

It's not much of a spoiler but we just found out that doctor who took care of Dr Sharon is Roys sister and Phoebes mom.

[@12chapin]

It is Mom City 😆. Hello 🥳. Yess we could be champions

[@armandotorres9625]

futbol is life

[@floppsymoppsy5969]

Age gap doesn't bother me. I think age difference doesn't matter as much as maturity does. But the power dynamics bothers me deeply.

[@brl0522]

Stop gabbing soooooo much!

[@Wizardofgosz]

I still think the Jamie hug would have been more powerful coming from Sam. The guy he REALLY bullied.

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

Literally could not disagree more. We already knew Sam is a great person who is emotionally stable and self-aware because he comes from a family with a strong paternal presence (fathers being maybe the biggest theme of the show). Having it be Roy who (1) experiences the situation, (2) consciously considers it for a moment, and then (3) decides that Jamie's hurt is more important than his reticence to openly admit to having feelings other than anger shows us SO much about a character who is traveling on a significant emotional arc, especially since Jamie is the one character that he has good reason to feel animosity toward. The biological father-son interaction is so painful to watch, but the deeper emotional weight of that scene comes from it being Roy of all people who deliberately walks all the way across the room in front of everyone to be a real father to a hurt little boy who needs a hug. Dammit I'm getting allergies in my eyes just writing this....

[@Wizardofgosz]

@@ulfsam-mule-son9726 agree to disagree

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

@@Wizardofgosz Of course! I may be overly wordy (preachy?) but everyone is entitled to thier own opinions. I appreciate you!

[@ulfsam-mule-son9726]

Obv no need to answer but why only 1 TL a week? I have really enjoyed going back through the earlier seasons with your posts - and I know you weren't going to catch up in time for the end of the series at this point - but you hitting the brakes bums me out. 🙁 I hope it isn't because of yt recently becoming much more aggressive, random, and base-less with their copyright attacks on creators... 👀

[@MrCzerillo]

No idea why you are so against Sam and Rebecca. The only reasons for them not to be together are the same reasons she shouldn't be with Ted.

[@chiaraderrico8783]

I admitt it, I am a Sam-Rebecca shipper

[@guywattie]

Never liked it personally it just did not work fie ne the massive age gap just really put me off it.

[@Timmayytoo]

I generally enjoy your reactions, but your constant, strident complaints about Sam and Rebecca getting together have become tiresome and a little troubling - Rebecca and Ted getting together is far more problematic because it would completely undermine the relationship they've built. I have no issue at all with Sam + Rebecca... they are both adults and they spent a lot of time getting to know each other on Bantr, so it doesn't really count as a fling. The only potential issue is if they let what other people think get in the way of their happiness. Maybe just let the show tell the story?

[@TheLexiCrowd]

Maybe let me have my opinions in my own video. If you don’t like it just leave. Plenty of other people react to this show

[@chriscostelloe8942]

I agree 100% with Lexi…let her have her own reactions and opinions. Isn’t that the whole point of this?

[@i.m.v.a.l.k.y.r.i.e]

I agree there is fine line between having an opinion and being a bigot..

[@whateverbro9670]

tf dude,why even watch a reaction video if you're gonna be mad that the person has...opinions about the thing they're reacting to?

[@peytonalexander5300]

The absolute irony. Telling her to “just let the show tell the story” when you are the one coming to *her* channel to watch *her* videos, and telling her how *she* should conduct herself in them. Maybe just let her tell her story? I mean why even watch her videos at all if all you care about is having your own opinions parroted back to you?

[@Nothing_Israel]

If your discomfort with Sam and Rebecca is because of the potentially problematic power dynamic - that Sam is her employee so he could potentially feel pressure to maintain a relationship for fear of it impacting his work - then that is an entirely understandable hang up to have … but you’ve been shipping Ted and Rebecca pretty aggressively so I suspect that isn’t the reason you’re uncomfortable. If it is because it isn’t the ship you have in mind for Rebecca, then that’s also a pretty reasonable reason to be upset . However if it is the age difference, then that seems akin to being upset because they are the same gender or because they aren’t the same race - because they are two consenting adults, and at some point our society needs to be less judgmental as to what consenting adults do in their bedroom. Most cultures have a cut off of 18 for when one is considered an adult. We can’t pick and choose when it comes to being an adult. We can’t say someone is old enough to consent to dying for their country but not old enough to consent to falling in love with an older woman. He is either an adult with all the freedoms and expectations that come with that or he isn’t. Rebecca being older does not necessarily mean she is more mature, or smarter, or well traveled than Sam - we know plenty of immature, dumb and non-worldly old people. The biggest issue with their relationship is that as the owner of the team, there is an incredibly unfair power dynamic, so if they have an HR department they should probably get this relationship documented.

[@whateverbro9670]

so we both agree? 18 is way too young to consent to dying for your country. jokes aside,your lack of nuanced thinking baffles me. you really compared this to homophobia and racism? are you hearing yourself? when were people oppressed for dating younger people? yes,18 is the legal age for being an adult. but there's different stages of adulthood too. a switch doesn't just flip at midnight when you go from 17 years 11 months 29 days 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds to 18. the adult label renders you some legal privileges,yes,including dating whoever you want,but you are still not on the same level. a 21 year old will never be on the same level as a 45 year old and however you slice it,it will not be an equal power dynamic,and it will not ever be easy to watch.

[@Nothing_Israel]

@@whateverbro9670 At no point in anything I wrote did I claim that people in May / December romances were being “oppressed.” Kicking off your counter argument with a strawman argument isn’t a great indication of the strength of your stance. I suggested that judging what consenting adults do in a relationship is a bad idea - whether it be because of your own personal hang ups regarding race, sexual preference or age. A consenting adult is a consenting adult. And you are exactly right that whether a person is mentally an adult doesn’t magically happen exactly five seconds after one’s 18th birthday - the age selected by many states and countries is almost completely arbitrary because we have no real way to judge a person’s level of maturity level or ability to make important life decisions given as how there can be extremely old people who are equally naive, inexperienced and irrational- and extremely young people who are very wise, experienced, and rational. We need a cut off at some point, a generalized guess of when a person should be allowed to make their own life decisions, enter into their own relationships, agree to tattoos, have a say over their own medical treatment - and it is as imperfect as any blanket rule placed on all humans is going to be - but if we have determined a cut off, we have to respect it. We can’t let it be “okay when it’s a guy, but girls are treated like children for five additional years,” or “they are adult enough to select a college major but not enough to to decide on whether or not they can buy cigarettes,” etc. There will always be someone who will argue that you are not able to form your own opinions or decisions or vote or determine your faith - and if we let that determination be made on a case by case basis , if we don’t put our foot down and draw a line in the sand then most of us would still have one overly loving grand parent who is going to court every year to argue with a judge about why we shouldn’t be alive to move out of state or have a haircut they don’t like. I’ve known friends who’ve coupled for which there have been disparities in age and i gleefully made fun of them (as I still do because they are the type of friends who give as good as they get in the shit giving department) but thank God they didn’t let my jokes and rude comments from others drive them apart as they have been among the longest lasting most stable relationships of any couple I’ve known (like Catherine Zeta Jones and Michael Douglas they’ve officially reached the phase of their marriage where they have caught up visually with each other’s ages so I am guessing that helped). They have a beautiful daughter now who hopefully will one day grow up to make decisions as an adult that they too and fret over the way people fret over their choices and by the nature of being a legal adult, our fretting will be as meaningless as comments on a KZbin video.

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@@Nothing_Israel you compared being upset about "may december" relationships to being upset that the 2 people are of the same gender or the same race. sure,you didn't mention oppression,but it exists and you can not equate having a problem with the age difference to homophobia and racism. oppression is an integral part to homophobia and racism. it's not just judging what 2 consenting adults are doing. the age of consent is not completely arbitrary and it actually corresponds to actual developmental stages of the brain. the brain keeps evolving throughout our lives and the fact that there are mature young people and immature old people is not disproving of that. immaturity and irrationality are more determined by factors such as environment, level of entitlement, empathy or someone's personality rather than how developed their brain is. an immature old person is still old,and their brain is still way more developed than a mature 20 something's. the fact that you are claiming the age of consent is arbitrary AND trying to validate the concept of being "mature for your age" is not giving me the best vibes bruv. you are also missing the point. no,old people shouldn't just decide on our behalf what haircuts we should get. and sam is absolutely an adult who made a decision and consented to his relationship with rebecca. but again,there are stages to adulthood,and a 45 year old is worlds away from a 21 year old. there is still a power imbalance,because of age alone. hell,rebecca is shown to be around the same age as sam's dad! i am not an expert on catherine zeta jones and michael douglas so i can't comment on their relationship. but for you to say that they reached a point where they look close in age is laughable. he looks 90, and she looks maybe 40. also the fact that in 2 years she will reach the age michael douglas was when HE MARRIED HER 23 YEARS AGO should raise some red flags. as for your friends,if you're gonna use them as an example you might as well give some specifics. what were the age differences? how did they meet. how old were they at the start of relationship? what about when their child was born? like if your friends are happy,good for them! you're right,our youtube comments have no impact on those real life relationships and situations. that doesn't take away from the actual specific couple we're talking about,sambecca,being hard to watch. and the inclusion of this storyline being uncomfortable. i mean ffs rebecca started the relationship by screaming "i've groomed you!" even she was uncomfortable at the idea of dating 21 year old sam. even she recognized the power imbalance. it luckily turned out fine for both of them and they both found someone in their age group. again,i'm sure once in a blue moon there is an age gap relationship (between 2 people who are already adults) that turns out fine. but that is the exception,not the rule.