32GB of DDR4-5000 CL18! // 2x16GB Ballistix MAX overclocked on an MSI X570 Tomahawk with an R5 3600

Kit part number: BLM2K16G40C18U4B
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[@denmcx6538]

The best thing about this is the fact, that it's 32GB and not 16...

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

yeah, so maybe that 64GB (2x32GB) kit can clock better than 2133, lol. (thats a jab at the server stuff, not the 64GB kit BZ has.)

[@loonie5468]

I've been waiting for this particular video for so long. It's bloody amazing what you can squeeze out of a well-binned 2x16GB kit on an X570 platform nowadays. Can only imagine how much more nuts it'll become with the better memory controllers on the upcoming 4000 series CPUs.

[@theunholybakery1990]

That moment when buildzoids ram is faster than your cpu:

[@JeoshuaCollins]

How did you not get lectured and I did, for the same joke?

[@Mr1Tanker]

Nope.. his RAM is running 2500MHz...unless your CPU is a potato! ;)

[@theunholybakery1990]

@@Mr1Tanker I know. It was just for humor.

[@theunholybakery1990]

@@JeoshuaCollins i Just did lol. Funny thing is, after writing my comment I stumbled across yours and saw the replies lmao.

[@Mr1Tanker]

Guys... i enjoy sarcasm and humor as well... but best to ward off correction comments with /s. It will save you the headaches. :P lol

[@joesanchez979]

Enjoy the weekend mate

[@CVLova]

Nice oc. Good job

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

CL18 5000mhz. That's cool, but I'm just watching to see things crash. I love unstable Windows.

[@ikarus1111a]

Are you masochist? Lol

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

@@ikarus1111a Sadist, actually

[@InternetEntity]

*Pane of glass falls out*

[@richardrussell7082]

Sooo....just Windows then >_

[@daktaklakpak5059]

there is a stable Windows somewhere?

[@artosbear]

I'd really like to see buildzoid put a Zen3 proc in this same board and see if he can get the fclk to at least 3800 with that kit

[@tommihommi1]

can't wait until you get your hands on a Renoir chip for some more crazy RAM OCing

[@azcron]

What do you think about mem OC on x570 tomahawk, since you said in a review it "should" be good, but you still preferred to test it (like, to be completely sure)?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

well it does 5G so I'd say it's good.

[@lejac4916]

Do you by chance plan on playing around with Renoir for memory OC? Monolithic nature comes with higher FCLK and no more 32B/Cycle (or 16B/Cycle Write) bandwidth limits, so desynced 5G+ might even be viable?

[@TrueRegulators]

@buildzoid have you tried TestMem5 yet for quick stability testing?

[@taztas117]

Hey there I have a question. did you test these memories on a520m h mobo ? there are some problems with them? I wanna bulid apu on a520 4650g what memory would you suggest. Thx

[@zTerrordactyl]

I was stoked to get the latency down to 63.1ns on my kit. Running bdie daily at 1.5V 3800Mhz 14-14-15-13-29-42-1t on a 3900x with prime X570-P

[@zTerrordactyl]

Was able to get a 16G kit of Hynix DJR down to 63.6ns at 1.45V. Running 3800Mhz, 16-16-19-20-34-56-1t on the same system.

[@WTP_DAVE]

I would have thought that he would be using a 2 dimm slot board for this

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Daisy chain STRONK.

[@michaeltchistopolskii3161]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking please what does this mean

[@narmonteam3582]

@@michaeltchistopolskii3161 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aae0qHp9l7xkd6c

[@jammetortiz808]

Have you tried a 4x 8GB / 2x 16GB DR 1:2 setup with zen2? I've seen screenshots that shows that it kinda scales atleast on 2CCD chips (3900X 3950X).

[@TrueRegulators]

Would love to know what dual rank b-die could do in terms of max clock and performance

[@mystical4442]

This is where the peltier cooler argument works: temperature controlled RAM IC's. Sure you need a ton of power and it'll dump a ton of heat out of the heatsinks, not to mention a custom temperature monitor/controller for the coolers themselves, but the clock gains can't be denied.

[@oven88]

Wonder how much a difference there is between the MAX and the regular 3600 cl16. Just binning?

[@IgiPL]

Test this on 3950X. I am curious what the results will be.

[@samho6102]

Waiting same Ram OC result on your new A520 Board.

[@mikewakefieldgeller4164]

Single rank? When chips are on one side of the mem module? Dual rank would be both?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah if you have chips on both sides it's dual rank.

[@borealeone]

RFC is a lottery with microns e-dies, my old kit could do 540 (c9bjz) and rp of 15, but it tops out at rcd 19 at 3800 (or even 20 with gdm off), new kit with c9bkv (3600 u4r) can do RCD of 17, but it's unstable with rp less than 17 and can't even boot with RFC lower than 560.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

Buildzoid, this is a dumb question probably, but assuming exactly the same speed and timings, what is better. 4x8 (single rank) DDR4 or 2x16 (dual rank) DDR4. I know that both will technically amount to dual channel dual rank RAM for a CPU with 2 memory controllers, but will they be the same in performance or is there some difference?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

they will perform exactly the same.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Thank you for your help, I appreicate it.

[@Erksah68]

Except with 2x16 you theoretically can have shorter traces (2dimms) right?

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@Erksah68 on ITX maybe

[@Erksah68]

@@hamzashaikh9310 Toms Omegalul

[@demonicdonut22]

Would the Elite vs Max give similar performance for those of us that don't need 32gb?

[@Wintelburst]

The 1:1 and 2:1 modes for infinity fabric work, what if we tried 3:1 something like 5400mhz?

[@joelimmanueloelsner9211]

Any Chance for threadripper 5ghz quad channel?

[@inferno2143]

so i take it the x570 tomahawk ended up being pretty decent for memory oc

[@dvr1337]

Can u do quad channel overclocking?

[@HoangDucNuyen]

Will X570s tomahawk beat X570 tomahawk in terms of memory overclocking?

[@JMUDoc]

Any time I see insane bandwidth and timings I have to stop and think "... voltage."

[@supersaiyan17online]

Do you think Ripjaws V are as good as Ballistix? Only Ballistix 2x16 are in stock where I live

[@Raivo_K]

Depends on what chips it's using. If it's Samsung B-Die then yes it's better. Anything else - likely not.

[@korgalom]

Nice overclock. Please tell me the maximum voltage on the b-die for continuous use

[@kip6006]

He mentioned in another video 1.5v for daily should be fine.

[@TheModeRed]

I have their 4000 cl18 4x8 Micron E. Is that downclockable to 3800 cl14 or stable cl16? I'm on X570 Tomahawk with Lian Li 360 AIO

[@AlexandrosGidarakos]

Hey buildzoid, I noticed you lower all tRDRDSD/D, tWRWRSD/D all the way down to 1. I think these 4 are an exception and it hurts performance to set them that low.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

those don't apply to single rank memory sticks.

[@simonwinn-smith4972]

Any plans to throw in some game benches in some future comparisons? What I don't understand is my PC benchmarks just slightly better with the DDR4 @ 3600Mhz rather than 3800Mhz. IF 1:1 in both cases. Is RAM latency more important than IF clock speeds in gaming? Thanks for the videos :-)

[@JohnyMcNeal]

Hey man watch GN for appropriate AIO positioning 😁

[@jobbus22]

I'm happy with R9 3900X cpu and my micron rev.e 3200 cl16 at 3800 cl16-19-16-16 timings(stable with karhu ram test 10K+). But because of that win sleep bug with this Asus c6h board I have to run them with 3600 with same timings for 24/7 run. It is time to upgrade this board when AMD releases them zen3 cpu's. And then I'm going to try again where is the limit with these micron memorys

[@kh_trendy]

I want this memory...

[@kremeszdaboi1862]

Buy it lol

[@demonicdonut22]

@@kremeszdaboi1862 $340 later

[@maksarez]

Hello. Please tell me which motherboards on the b550 chipset will be able to overclock 4x8 ram up to 4400-4600mhz? I know that almost all b550 boards have a daisy chain topology and it overclocks 4 sticks much worse than t-topology.

[@YTHandlesWereAMistake]

Watch his videos on b550 boards, all 4 of them

[@rulik006]

21:22 I had old Dominator Platinum 16x4 2400c14 Dual Rank B-die from 2015 They can do 3800 16-17-16-36. Finally in 2019 micron can deliver less than 65ns. Funny, how much time micron needed time to catch b-die, but still rev.e sucks with super slow tRFC

[@Mirage_Unknown]

True, but isn't Samsung going to stop manufacturing B die?

[@hitshot]

so which one is better, crucial ballistic max 4400mhz or a different b die one

[@fandomkiller]

crucial is about to be out of stock. i just ordered 4 16g kits lol

[@matejvrabel]

Please do Nanya A-die RAM Overclocking

[@sebastianz1597]

Ibt vs lindpack For Testing stability of the infinity fabric and some ram oc Is it comparable Just have experience with ddr5 and got my hands on a Ryzen 3600 and probably also 16gb rev b

[@anthonyc417]

Alright so I have determined the two most difficult things about PC operation. Downloading and playing Flight Sim 2020 and OCing memory effectively.

[@bluemarble4051]

Can anyone suggest me some good dual rank 16gbx2 or 16gbx4 kit for z370e motherboard, thanks.

[@fandomkiller]

anyone got more tips on voltage with C-die. i got it basicly maxed at 1.38v 3400 mhz. what timings other then tcwl are voltage heavy? i tried to follow buildzoids guide but my pc wouldnt restart. more voltage wouldnt fix it. soc @ 1.2v cpu at 1.4 just to rule it out(also oc'd the memory seperately from the cpu. if i run 1 dimm i can get 4300mhz but its ueseless with the single stick and horrible timings. would appreciate any help bois thanks. ryzen 5 3600 msi b450 tomahawk max cheers 2x 16gb hyper x 3200 cl 16- both samsung c die please help

[@fandomkiller]

i just got 2 sticks of 3600 cl 16 ballistix gaming used for 100$. the guy bought 16 gb kit by mistake. woo. ordered 2 more to match. had 32gb kit of kingston hyper x 3200 and some team group shit from 2018. had them oc'd to 3400 stable. the 2 crucial dimms alon rape the 3400 4 dimm setup. my infinity fabric will do 1900 is my memory can

[@darkknight9185]

how much performance you get over stock ?

[@darkknight9185]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking

[@Fartuch87]

Yo, my G.skill neo (4x8G) runs 1,46V (socV 1,037 V with LLC4 ) 3800-14-14-14-14-28-42-250-T1 on x570 formula with 3950x Aida read 5900-6000 write 5500-56900copy 63000-63900 latency 64,3 - 63,8. Nice video like allways. Can I imporve this sticks or its fine ?

[@hitshot]

do you know if this ballistic max 4400 mhz one can run at the speed of urs

[@Fartuch87]

@@hitshot i rly dont know, each one are different

[@grhgorhs]

i have 2x8GB Ballistix elite 4000 and i can't go more than 4200 17-20-20-39 how unlucky am i !!!!!! i thought my i7 10700k and gigabyte aorus elite ac would do at least 4500 with decent timings. vccsa vccio 1.35-1.30 dramv 1.45-1.50.It doesn't even do 4266 with crazy loose timings.

[@artosbear]

It took me like 8 seconds to figure out what a tert cherry setting is. (Oh it's tertiary)

[@araisikewai]

Got myself a pair of 8GB Klevv 3600 C18 (KD48GU880-36A180U). Can anyone tell me its chipset? If I check with Thaiphoon, it says Hynix-??R, is it CJR/MFR/DJR? Not sure really. Though by checking MSI QVL it says DJR. How to be certain of it? And how good is DJR?

[@Raivo_K]

Could also be JJR. CJR is the best. Then DJR and JJR. MFR is the worst.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@Raivo_K CJR is worse than DJR.

[@3kids2cats1dog]

A520 please

[@angumech13]

Kit part numbers please?

[@AlexLionson]

Any crucial ballistix AES, or new 3600/16 cl ballistix modules, but they cost a fair price in UK basically, in other places may not really worth it.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

BLM2K16G40C18U4B

[@joshuap2325]

thermaltakes ram aio meakes sence now

[@fandomkiller]

i come here to fuckin learn. keep it up dude. should look into doing some motherboard bypass mods. not sure what you could bypass but i'm sure they have california emissions bullshit that can be melted off

[@fandomkiller]

more in dept shunt mods would be sweet too and also what soldering irons do you use etc?

[@rulik006]

You should should have bought 4650g instead of 3600 They can do 2266 IF

[@JeoshuaCollins]

I just read an article about how, within a few hours, the markets at Akihabara sold out from every 4000g chip they had, and they were selling them around 2x MSRP. Good luck getting one of those.

[@rulik006]

@@JeoshuaCollins in Ukraine Full avalability with msrp prices

[@Erksah68]

@@JeoshuaCollins 199 in germany

[@Raivo_K]

Yes i had 4750G in testing for about a week or so. 2200 IF was stable in Windows. 2300 was not . However due to lower amount of L3 cache 4750G consistently and repeateadly lost to my 3800X in games (CPU limited, 1080p low). Cost me 310€ (MSRP). Unless you need the best iGPU available i would not bother. The high IF and memory clocks do not make up for lower amount of L3. Or if you want something to tinker with. That's why i love OC-ing APU's: CPU, RAM and iGPU can all be OC'd. Then trying to find stable settings with all 3 OC'd is always fun.

[@JeoshuaCollins]

@@Raivo_K You could have gotten a stable 4400 MT at 2:1 going with that. That's nice, I suppose, but you're right that it's not worth a few hundred for that benefit.

[@nizzen2]

The performance is like 3200c14 untweaked LOL

[@Hxarh]

My b-die errors past 3400mhs 18-18-18-18-36. 1.4v Any advice guys? I want to max my f-clock.

[@mtlspider]

could be a bad spd report and its not really b die.look for version number on corsair sticks or model number ending with 10c or something on gskill.bdie on gskill would be 10b.

[@JamesHryb]

18-19-19-42 @1.52V? also check your tRFC might need to hike it up to 415-500 forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=190066

[@Hxarh]

@@mtlspider This is what I have. cmk32gx4m2b3200c16 RAMMon says it's Samsung but nothing about the revision. Thaiphoon Burner says: 8 Gb B-die (Boltzmann / 20 nm) / 1 die. I don't know why 8gb since it's a 2x 16gb kit. (Maybe cause it's double sided?) Also, I'm running a 3900x on an Aorus Elite X570

[@mtlspider]

@@Hxarh its very rare for 3200 c16 to be bdie,even if it was its really bad bdie.its most likely something else and corsair in this case didnt bother programing all the information correctly in the spd chip.look for a version number on the sticks and with some googling that will tell you what ram ICs you really have. edit:now i see its dual rank.well still you want to check version number to be sure.dual rank is harder to run at high speeds then single rank.

[@Hxarh]

@@mtlspider Ver 4.31. So I got the poor man's b-die? Truth be told, I didn't expect to go too high with these sticks, but when I saw it was B-die I figured I had a good shot at 3600mhz. In just five minutes of tinkering, I settled on a pretty stable 3400mhz, but over day's I couldn't hit stable 3466. I did boot at 3600 once but crashed in a minute. When I increase the timings or go past 1.45v, hoping to make it more stable, I can't even get it to post. Thought I'd ask around. Maybe I was OC-ing it wrong.

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

there was a time that would have been impressive, to have 5GHz memory on something like a 5GHz 7700k. however today, I still end up asking, is that enough bandwidth to keep as many cores we have today fed with data? for small loops with small data sets that fit in L3, like games, I doubt it would matter much, yet not all things are game engine small data sets. Hmmm. That is a cool OC for a PC. B)

[@JeoshuaCollins]

TFW your ram is running faster than your CPU.

[@tommihommi1]

technically it's only running at 2.5 GHz.

[@JeoshuaCollins]

@@tommihommi1 The pulse is only going at 2.5 GHz, but the transactions are occurring at more than one per CPU clock cycle.

[@korana6308]

Yes, as the person above me pointed out. It runs at half of that speed 2.5 Ghz . I've already thought over it a million times. Technically DDR5 will run at the speeds of your general CPU up to 3.2 Ghz.

[@tommihommi1]

@@JeoshuaCollins that's why it's 2500MHz, 5000GT/s. Definitely not 5000MHz

[@JeoshuaCollins]

@@tommihommi1 Jesus Christ, people. I try to make a joke and you all dog pile on with irrelevant explanations. I know how RAM works. Would you like to explain to me how transistors operate, next? How about the difference between Gigabyte and Gibibyte?

[@TheXlen]

I'm annoyed that people say MHz when it's MTs, there is a reason why both of those units exist.

[@BonusCrook]

Amd stock cooler

[@IsraelSocial]

Edit videos? What is that lol

[@avagreen9060]

first

[@ikarus1111a]

ok, I can't compete with that

[@CVLova]

Want a cookie 🍪?

[@avagreen9060]

QuadFeed yes

[@stevenmurray1869]

How did you post a comment 2 days when the video was uploaded 10hrs ago

[@avagreen9060]

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[@stewenw4120]

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[@Bobzillaaaful]

Last

[@airlink2142]

Hey Buildzoid! Watch PC Jesus' video "Stop Doing It Wrong: How to Kill Your CPU Cooler". I see that your AIO radiator configuration is putting unnecessary strain on your pump. :)

[@AmCanTech]

Pretty sure they work together

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I've known about that for ages I just don't care about it in test bench applications.

[@airlink2142]

@@AmCanTech They do but PC Jesus might be sad to see his buddy BuildZoid not follow his guidance.

[@AmCanTech]

@@airlink2142 haha, sad PC Jesus ... can;t wait to see

[@AmCanTech]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking If i have 3600mghz Cl18 ram ... can i downclock it to 3200mghz at a lower cast latency (mine are hynix and spectek dies).

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

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[@josipreponj1928]

I love what you do, but this could be a 5 min video.

[@theunholybakery1990]

You must be new here. People here are concerned about buildzoids health when the vids don't exceed 20 mins.

[@Djfragas]

That's the point. The longer, the better.

[@joefowble]

Bob Ross could have edited down his painting videos to a few minutes too, but there is also value in seeing the process and discussing issues.