DAEMONCULABA: THE WORST THING IN WARHAMMER? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@chatotalks5325]

20:12 Bricky actually skipped one of my favorite 40k quotes. Basically when Ventris and co. are captured Honsou is trying to figure out what chapter Ventris is from and says "For what it is worth, then, I think you are Ultramarines, though I dread to think what heinous crime an Ultramarine must commit to be banished to the Eye of Terror. Did you turn left instead of right on the parade ground? Forget to say your prayers in the morning?"

[@andresgomeziii]

So funny that even in lore everyone calls ultramarines spoiled boyscouts

[@azariyelvarro6271]

@@andresgomeziii helps that, of all the loyalists, their dad is the only one to come back home after getting milk and scratchers.

[@mrcopycat2355]

@@azariyelvarro6271 With his ultra depression, he might actually have returned with vodka and cigarettes

[@michasalamon8315]

I was so dissapointed they didnt include Iron Warriors shitting on Ultramarines in the book. New warhammer novels should have more chaos marines making fun of the loyalists while imperials keep screeching „die traitor, for the Emperor.”

[@CoolCraftCool]

@@andresgomeziii I mean Urial is in this cause he won a war rather than follow the teachings of a book with zero insight on the enamy he was fighting.

[@malwick3106]

First thing the guardsmen sees after sacrificing himself, big E welcoming him, "First off, gotta say big fan of your work."

[@exudeku]

Its like that sigma guard that blocks himself for the Emps during the Heresy

[@bocholotthethird3159]

Big E has a collection of Mad Lad guard

[@pandab13r]

Doubt it, because ol Empy is a lightbulb in the warp

[@twilightgryphon]

Even the Death Korps are going "dude this guy is hardcore" lol

[@shadesofdusk4031]

"I'm surprised that the sheer mass of your very balls can fit in the warp, just wow." - the emperor of man probably

[@imperialfist2304]

I’m beginning to sense a pattern here, Marneus: Has a slight inferiority complex due to Guilliman but also Abaddon kicked him down Cato: Got shit on by ‘crons, stuck in the warp and now has Ultradepression Ventris: Saw the Daemomculaba, which speaks for itself. It seems to be a highly known Ultramarine you need to have some form of PTSD.

[@phillippeterson110]

Ultra PTSD.

[@TheKingsPride]

To be a decent ultramarine you need to have some kind of PTSD because otherwise they’re a Mayo sandwich with a side of water.

[@DrazCo88]

@@phillippeterson110 Ulrtratrauma

[@TheKingsPride]

@@akumaking1 let’s face it, Titus is not that interesting of a character. He’s pretty much “generic honorable soldier #3”

[@imperialfist2304]

@@akumaking1 Ah shit, um, being exposed to pure unfiltered chaos for a few seconds?

[@xenostyrant4118]

I feel that the reason the daemonculaba is renowned in its awfulness is not because of it being the worst thing in 40k (Slaanesh, Dark Eldar, certain actions of the Inquisition/Sisters/AdMech etc) but because of 2 things. 1)The sheer descriptiveness from a competent author over the course of a whole book as opposed to the sentence maybe a paragraph these things usually get in a codex. GW now tends to avoid being explicitly descriptive of the extremely awful stuff everyone does. 2) The fact it gives an answer to the question of how Chaos Marines replenish without the support and size of the Imperium and still be a threat to it. In an awful, awful way that is only emphasised by Honsou's lack of caring.

[@mersinaryboy]

Wait what fucked up shit do the sisters do other than the flying baby ammo cans?

[@MajorSquiggles]

Keep in mind this is only one way that chaos marines were birthed, and probably isn't used anywhere else. Most of the time you corrupt people who are already space marines. They are such a threat because they don't need to physically fight you to win. When they do fight they are outnumbered in space marines, but they use demons to bolster their numbers considerably.

[@bobydigital2450]

Noh I think it's because the story is too cynical and edgy. When other have a bad fate you get why but here is pretty pointless.

[@THExRISER]

For me it's not the Daemonculaba itself, but rather the intention behind it, it's the fact that it's done by the Iron Warriors, I assure you if it was the Night Lords, Emperor's Children or Dark Eldar no one would bat an eye. But the fact that it's the Iron Warriors, the most pragmatic enemies of the Imperium, is what makes it terrifying to me, The Daemoculaba wasn't made as some sick form of pleasure or twisted form of torture, it was simply a means to an end, another tool to reach a goal.

[@sugarjumper45]

@@bobydigital2450 I can understand calling it cynical and edgy. but it definitely int pointless. in my opinion.

[@shadowstrider8295]

Uriel: We're going to deal with the Iron Warriors, will you join us? Raven Guard: No, are you out of your mind? Renegade Guardsmen: Did someone say DIE FOR THE EMPEROR?

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Every kreig in the galaxy all of sudden felt a surge of pride for someone they don't even know about and not one can explain why

[@callumjohnston858]

Across the galaxy the Tallarn felt a swell of pride as just some dude fucked up the Iron Warriors' day.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Saint Ollanius vibes from that guy.

[@CollinBuckman]

The two weren't really renegade by choice to be fair, they were loyal officers who were taken as slaves by the Iron Warriors and allied with the renegade Astartes because of their shared hatred of Honsou.

[@mikcon63]

Honsou, after surrounding Uriel and his war band, attempted to extract information from him. A quote from the exchange from Honsou to Uriel. "....for what it is worth, then, I think you are Ultramarines. Though I dread to think what heinous crime an ultramarine must commit to be banished to the eye of terror, did you turn left instead of right on the parade ground? Forget to say your prayers in the morning?" Uriel started malding.

[@telekineticsloth6107]

Smurfs mad

[@Qardo]

Really, Uriel should have shot his brothers in the face. At least his punishment would be fitting for the crime.

[@FireTalon24]

Honsou channeling his genesire's smug ass energy

[@taurock96]

The funniest thing is... He was actually kind of close to the truth ! Dude's got banned because he wanted to join another team !

[@bigmoe9856]

Lmao

[@seeingseeer5282]

Chaos Gods' reaction to the Daemonculaba: Upon seeing the Daemonculaba, Khorne simply accepts the flow of blood and gore but doesn't really like how it was done. Tzeentch is impressed by the sheer diabolical method that Honsou had come up with even if it's too efficient and straightforward to really like it. Nurgle loves and really eats up the waves of despair and filth that comes off from the victims while feeling sad that said victims' soul can't be claimed from the Iron Warriors' grasp and Slaanesh, while liking the pain, the suffering and the depravity of it all, feels like the Iron Warriors involved are too clinical and that they should be more 'hands-on' and 'up close and personal' about it.

[@kaleoarnold3709]

To be honest, that fits with the iron warriors not liking chaos, so they wild probably make it to be not that appealing to the gods.

[@Lotan_]

To be fair, the answer that all four of them simply don't give a shit either way is also equally plausible.

[@IcoOst]

somebody make a fan art where the chaos gods are sitting in a jury, and hansou presents his demon Kielbasa to them

[@Biodeamon]

naw nurgle thinks its possibly hilarious, considering that nurgle is a god of rebirth

[@chistosquisto9079]

I love this concept of the four chaos gods giving constructive criticism towards this iron warrior guy

[@jmclaughlin2009]

If anything, it just goes to show that the Iron Warriors' particular brand of evil is that they just don't care. The Night Lords do demented shit because they enjoy the fear it causes, the Emperor's Children literally get off on it. But the Iron Warriors simply do not care what depths they sink to in order to get what they want. Honsou wanted a faster way to make Chaos Marines. Honsou simply didn't care that his solution was...this, only that it made his Marines.

[@81Mo81]

I personally think that's what kinda makes this story great, that the the most evil thing that Chaos marines have done isnt done out of a sick desire to please a god, but out of cold hearted pragmatism

[@the_highest_elf]

honestly Honsou gives me Josef Mengele vibes... it's sinking into depravity and abandoning morals and empathy for scientific progress

[@isaactinnel6269]

I’m sure if/when petter turbo saw it he would probably go “fuck what is that.. eh what the hell if it works it works”

[@amandeepgill5206]

Perturabo: What the f-

[@Iijjccbb]

Kinda reminds me of shockwave in a way.

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Jinx in Arcane : "Can't put them back into the ol' babymaker" The guy who wrote her : "Put them back to make the stronger. "

[@self-trainedmegaman8580]

I love that I get that joke 😂😂😂

[@lucidlullaby894]

“Put them back in, make them stronger” sounds like a Woolie quote

[@7fatrats]

​​​@@lucidlullaby894pat would say that tbh

[@KillerOrca]

Thank you for reminding me I nerd to watch Arcane

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Peterturbo: "She lacks iron, no I'm not joking she's literally malnourished, put her back in".

[@hunterrickert6026]

Ultramarines : Congrats brother, you are redeemed in the eyes of the emperor Ventress : I've seen things... too many things... Ultramarines : W-what do you mean?

[@zcgamerandreacts2762]

Uriel:"I. Cried."

[@ludane9087]

@@zcgamerandreacts2762 Heresy!

[@bob-u5b]

QUICK SEND HIM BACK, HE NEEDS A LONGER DEATH OATH@@ludane9087

[@CuzTyler]

I think the worst part about the unfleshed is when they go extinct their leader is sobbing because he believes they are unforgivable in the eyes of The Emperor

[@THExRISER]

I read in the Lexicanum that Uriel assured him that the Emperor still loved them before mercy-killing him, so at least there's that.

[@riograndedosulball248]

@@THExRISER the... The Emperor protects. *[bursts into tears]*

[@joehonan1773]

If I remember the book correctly the unfleshed looks in a mirror and sees a vision of himself as a normal smiling boy at the end Unfleshed “the Emperor loves me?!” Ventres “yes, he does “ BLAM

[@Argonisgema]

@@joehonan1773 That has some Of Mice and Men energy there.

[@CuzTyler]

@@THExRISER Ventris is why I'm a Ultrasmurf simp

[@GambeTama]

43:17 That guardsman didn't pick up a grenade, he just finished resting before picking back up his IRONCLAD THERMONUCLEAR BALLS

[@SN00PICUS]

The Emperor looks on with pride! 💪

[@karelhastik8077]

Chaos be like: Ah, another lovely day Ultramarines: *shaking in the corner uncontrolably*

[@AzelRavenWood]

Sir, your comment was the funniest thing I have seen here today so far! Well Played!

[@Archon3960]

Emperor's Children: "Yeah, that's good and all... But I think you can get even farther." 8) Honsou: "Why though?" EC: "I don't know... funsies?" Honsou: "Then no."

[@TiernanWilkinson]

Chad guard be like: "Ahhhh. Once more into the breach!"

[@f.e.areproduce5298]

@@Archon3960 If Emperor's Children will learn of this, galaxy will receive yet another psychological scar it will never heal from because of what will happen by hands of Emperor's children.

[@hunterkiller1984]

@@AzelRavenWood you mean..'well flayed'...

[@seventh-hydra]

The Alpha Legion captures you. "You look down and see a tortoise. You reach down and you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why aren't you helping?"

[@IronMiddo]

And everytime you try, they bat your hand away

[@nmr7203]

Why would I help it when I'm the one that flipped it over

[@matijasostojic4288]

fucking chaos

[@vxicepickxv]

What's a tortoise?

[@jubimagi]

What is a back?

[@Wilhelm_Turner]

Unlike the renegade space marines, the guardsman knew that this needed to be stopped immediately. Any effort to end this is worth it, regardless of the chances of success.

[@lucascoval828]

Based Guardsman.

[@benthomas3355]

Also, as Bricky said earlier. Honsou knew the Black Crusade was coming. And the process to create space Marines is long and arduous. It is said that it takes 1000 failed subjects to creat 1 space marine. And 10,000 to create 1 chaos sauce marine. Additionally. It takes about 20 years for all the implants and about an additional 50 years of training/scout forces to become a full fledged Astartes. So your locking at between 75 and 100 years for 1 space marine. Honsou wanted to speed up the process to a few months to birth a fully grown marine..even if the failure rate was higher, the recruitment rate would be so astronomically in his favor, it wouldn't matter.

[@Absolutemooreon]

Chaos sauce marine

[@ImperiumofRat]

@@Absolutemooreon theyre covered in sauce when they come out

[@Absolutemooreon]

@@ImperiumofRat the chaos sauce

[@cindermoth3421]

And while I believe it wasn't mentioned, we do not know if he'd actually lose geneseed from failures. As there's a chance it could still be reused a couple times.

[@raycearcher5794]

Donkey Sauce Marines, of the Damned Fieri Legion

[@thewakeup5459]

The entirety of the imperium: "By the emperor that's disgusting" Dark eldar: 👀 Tyranids: *drooling*

[@frogjog8822]

I swear to fuck if anyone mentions Vo-

[@THExRISER]

Emperor's Children: Amateurs.

[@lordofchangelulz6645]

Fabius Bile: "Cool, but I can do better"

[@seanpeacock4290]

Tyranids: half the work is already done, also curry

[@THExRISER]

@@seanpeacock4290 c-curry?

[@frankwoods7140]

The demon-cilbasa has arrived. Gods save us

[@kevyndaumas3804]

Only emps can save us now

[@anaveragenightlordsfan]

*aims bolter at you* you mean “god emperor save us” right?

[@ethanguest3438]

God has already left

[@Skylerraemhild]

Emperor cleanse my soul, I have seen some shit

[@Droegan]

Demonkielbasa!

[@shadowhunter343]

You really didn't do the horror justice. The fact that every scene is so detailed and graphic is the reason that it's so reviled by the fandom. It is actually pretty viable for Honsou to do this, it's implied that they don't use one geneseed per marine but that they just cram them into the daemonculaba.

[@KillerOrca]

Is THAT why they hate it?

[@schizosamurai8840]

Honestly, I feel like something in the spirit of daemonculaba has to exist. Sometimes, you can forget just how awful chaos is and start thinking of them as "just another bad guys". Daemonculaba is a stark reminder of just how vile chaos is and so is the entire setting.

[@Sir_Bucket]

No we really don't need it dude. I don't need a graphic description of New Vegas' r*pe during that one quest to understand its gravity. Same thing here.

[@kinagrill]

@@Sir_Bucket But it hit all the harder with the rawness of the description.

[@Lotan_]

A moment to note regarding that Iron Warrior they find strung up as punishment, is that he was actually a lieutenant of Honsu's, and he betrayed said Warsmith in favour of the other two Warlords they were fighting. Honsu knew about this, but lead him along until the betrayal was supposed to happen then bamboozled him back. Honsu's even pretty chill about it, basically saying "Whelp, you tried, I don't blame you. You saw an opportunity and you took it, but you failed. Bye bye." And this lieutenant wasn't just being siphoned. The Dark Mechanicum were cutting pieces off of him day by day and forcing him to watch as they feed it to a massive meat grinder. Also, on the newborn Chaos Marines part, the most disturbing part of the process is that *yes, it did work.* It created roughly the same amount of Astartes a normal creation process would produce. And in terms of whether or not the newborns were sane enough to be used, bare in mind, this is by *Chaos' standards* of sane. By which we mean, no standards at all. The only measure they used was whether or not the individual in question could fight properly. If they could, then it didn't matter if they were a gibbering madman, since most Chaos Marines are already like that. The only reason the Unfleshed were thrown away is because the Dark Mechanicum and Iron Warriors just assumed them failures, as per typical for their arrogance. A lot of what Honsu did came back to bite him hard. Also also, while the Daemonculaba have not been brought back, there is plenty of other stuff on the same level. Like a Daemon World that is literally one massive human slave/Daemon breeding orgy that pumps out thousands upon thousands of mutants. And Commorragh exists.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

There's a daemon slaanesh world mutated into the form of a gigantic obese man.

[@Lazysupermutant]

@@davidfrancisco3502 Aye abyssal crusade, wouldn't mind on episode on that.

[@Lazysupermutant]

Their was one remaining of these newborn called...the Newborn. He was the result of Uriel's genestock and he was pretty honking creepy to everyone, pretty niave and childlike, but also incredibly violent. In one of the Iron Warriors book a witch told Honsu that the newborn was going bug nut due to all the conflicting gene seed and warp fuckery, so I'd presume any other chaos space Marines made via the daemonkielbasa would have had a similar lifespan.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@Lazysupermutant A handful of space marine chapters were forced to do a penitance crusade in the eye of terror many of them were slaughtered and the survivors became chaos space marines.

[@ultramarinescaptain3840]

I'm pretty sure Honsou restarted his "project" at some point. He seems like that kind of dude.

[@scottphillips6005]

Honestly, it's not as bad as I expected. It's maybe the worst detailed thing in 40k, but you know the Dark Eldar do this and so much worse all the time by implication. Actually, I'm pretty sure every Slaanesh related group does.

[@WowItsErin]

I think that's the point: Warhammer 40k lore is only bearable (let alone enjoyable) because of just how much is left in the dark. The implications of a given group's activity can be obvious, but actually *delving into it* is another thing entirely. Basically, any given Evil Faction in 40k probably has some messed up deeply mysoginistic sexual violence going on, if you think about it. But that's the thing... *You* have to think about it. It's a lot more palatable if you have the option *not to.*

[@taurock96]

At least the victims of the Daemonculaba actually died, their suffering got an end. What kind of foot/inflation fetish scenarios the Emperor's Children inflict to their prisonners for all eternity in their home world...

[@Lightscribe225]

@@pyerack Not that we've seen. Cruel as both of them are, neither has any written fluff like the daemonculaba. EC we've seen them take slaves to a dark corner where wet tearing and screaming could be heard, and a dark eldar used a still living being as a meat plate.

[@zigmus00A]

Vect probably has one on his mantle just to show off to guests.

[@ciabankopperman4622]

Slaanesh does everything and everyone of all ages...Slaanesh its fun for the whole family

[@Madjo-qj2ge]

The Guardsman Colonel is truly a chad feels like when Aragorn say "For Frodo" and Merri and pippin is the first to follow Aragorn Merri and Pippin is the Guardsman Colonel

[@Spahrrow]

I read that as Angron, not Aragorn

[@Orapac4142]

@@Spahrrow Thatd be a hell of a crossover

[@teacakes6861]

Why Guardsman is the true Chad Thundercock of the story: Ventris went back because he did not have a choice, death oath made it clear. But Guardsman could choose to run away, yet his balls was so huge he decide to return.

[@Lalann]

Mephiston makes Tigurius look like a standard librarian. Guy can literally bounce in and out of the warp without any issues and has held off a Hive Fleet.

[@thewerdna]

Also the main reason Tigerius is even as strong as he is, is because he has Malcador's staff, which is a super psychic amplifying artifact.

[@axelgalloway4294]

Also Hyperion Bladebreaker and Ahriman are psychic demigods

[@zawojtek]

*Conrad Curze enters room* "Greetings fellow degenerates what are you doing?" *Looks at demonculaba* "By chaos" "Nice !"

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

Come brother to the realm of slannesh and iron

[@FrozenLord66]

conrad cruze wil be realy superised by the iron warriors doing stuff like the night lord do on a daily base torure imperal citizens for fun

[@imperialfist2304]

Think ya mean Fulgrim

[@FrozenLord66]

@@imperialfist2304 not realy conrad curze is into torure people not full grim

[@Archon3960]

Konrad would want to murder everyone in the room. Perturabo wouldn't care. Angron _really_ wouldn't care. Mortarion would be somewhat disgusted. Magnus would be truly disgusted. Horus would shoot these "things" dead. Lorgar would want to improve it with deamon stuff. Alpharius would just steal the gene seed. Fulgrim would just jizz... xD

[@TheKingsPride]

The fact that the guy who wrote the Demon Kielbasa also wrote on Arcane makes so much sense, since that show contains more trauma than a crash test dummy.

[@janthion3590]

XD

[@NGBH]

@@stankobarabata2406 you can say you are biased and end it there mate.

[@alexanderm8880]

@@stankobarabata2406 My guess (since I haven't seen it) is that people are so pissed at adaptations being awful that Arcane being competent is like a lifeline lol

[@ClubQRoundDeux]

@@stankobarabata2406 I watched Arcane. Which were the gay characters? When did the character say they were gay?

[@NGBH]

@@stankobarabata2406 one is an opinion another is going "castlevania is miles better and the pinnacle of animation". you can say that sure,but then dont act like you arent biased when you clearly prefer castlevania and are putting down the hard work of the arcane animators team. yeah castlevania is good,but in all honesty arcane has 3 times the better animation,more fluid and has a story that deals with real life problems in a realistic sense even in a video game world. in my opinion. but in fact you dont get why people watch it,well news flash your tastes arent the tastes of the world,and by the ratings and viewership of arcane im 100 percent sure its going great for them.

[@Brutalyte616]

So my thoughts on the Daemonculaba is that it's messed up and distasteful, but it fits in with the aesthetics of Chaos and is more disturbing in it's callous disregard for human suffering than anything else. It's just a bit surprising that it was the Iron Warriors, the guys who are so into machinery, that started this trend up and not the Emperor's Children. Because you know Fabius Bile probably made a Daemonculaba of his own over the course of a weekend and said 'It works, but I can do better.' and then went back to figuring out how to clone the Emperor or whatever he's doing at the moment. As an aside, while Uriel blowing up his primary facility was a huge setback, Honsou bounced back, and he's actually become quite the accomplished Chaos warlord. The problem is that he got to where he is not just by being a capable general and a Warpsmith, but he also recreated his Daemonculaba project and started offering them and the knowledge on how to create them to other Chaos warlords, and it's presumed that all the major Chaos warbands, and the Black Legion, have access to the Daemonculaba or know how to create them. Say what you will about Honsou and what he keeps in his basement, but he's one hell of a businessman.

[@AJweathersby]

The other fanatical chaos legions definitely indulge in greater atrocities than these on a regular basis. But that’s what makes it more despicable with the Iron Warriors. They weren’t inflicting suffering for the sake of suffering. They had a clear reason to do what they were doing, and made a clear-minded decision that the ends were worth the means. When self-proclaimed worshippers of evil do evil, it’s exactly what you expect and nothing more. It would just come across as gratuitous if a book about slaanesh or the dark elder went into that explicit level of detail about torture and suffering. But when fairly rational and practical minded people commit unspeakable evil, it contains a whole different layer of evil, because it implies that many other people would do the exact same things if put in similar circumstances.

[@nmr7203]

I really want to see the process that led to this being a thing

[@floricel_112]

​@@nmr7203A: "now that we no longer have an imperium to fall back on for recruits, the training of them into space marines and the installation of gene seed into them, we need a way to replenish our forces" B: "how about we use the women we kidnap during our raids as production pipelines? We can forcefully impregnate them and they'll pop out new recruits for us" A: "no, it would take too long and too much of an investment in our current situation to raise and train an infant to teenhood in the hope of surviving a gene seed insertion that we no longer have the means to properly replicate anyway!" B: "well what if we *don't* have to raise infants" A: "....go ooooon" B: "well what if we skip the whole recruiting and training process?" A: "and how do you propose we do that?" B: "well, it's not just women we kidnap during our raids. What if we use the mortal women as growing vats and place the hearty teenage boys inside them alongside the gene seed? That way, we basically pop out space marines on the conveyor belt" A: ".....so you want the vat to *eat* the gene seed and the....aspiring recruit in order to make new space marines?" B: "well, it's not the hole *I* was thinking off...." A: ".....OOOOOOH, I see what you're trying to do now. Okay, next question: you do realise a teenage boy doesn't exactly fit inside an adult woman's womb in it's normal size, right?" B: "in its *current* size, yes" A: "OHHHHHH......and if the growing vat can't take it?" B: "is that really a concern?" A: ".....not really, I'd just rather not have to replace the vat every....aspiring recruit" B: "UUUUUUGH, FIIIIINE. We'll just....insert some tubes into them to monitor their vitals or whatever and protect their minds from popping like barking toads through daemonic rituals or whatever. Idk, ask a thousand sons or whatever, I'm not a fanatical cultist." A: "don't you think this whole operation is a bit risky and unreliable to produce new forces on a regular basis?" B: "you mean like the way we were made EYOOOO!" A: "I see.....alright, your idea has merits, but before we put it into practise, I just have one final question" B: "alright, fire" A: "....have you been hanging out with the emperor's children?" *Some time later* C: "hey, the growing vats are expanding nicely, but they keep screaming curdling murder" B: "OH MY NONEXISTENT GODS, DO I HAVE TO THINK OF EVERYTHING AROUND HERE? JUST CUT THEIR TONGUES OFF!"

[@triggerme6144]

The concept is pretty par for the course in cases of body horror in sci-fi. The aliens comics had a much more... disturbing thing dealing with a similar concept. Where humans were used to crossbreed with xenomorphes. Not in the chest busting fashion either. The writing is really what sells the horror factor, but the idea and concept aren't really extreme, when compared to the dark eldar and Slannesh.

[@lucascoval828]

Indeed. Some 40K fans have weird sensitivities.

[@zombiethezerker]

hi im curious what comic series was that

[@triggerme6144]

@@zombiethezerker I don't remember the name. It's oldish, Aliens franchise.

[@THExRISER]

Oh, and just a fun fact for everyone: Honsou's Necrodermis arm, that actually belonged to Pasanius Lysane, the Ultramarine accompanying Uriel Ventris, when Honsou captured them he saw Pasanius' arm and was like: "Ooh shiny, don't mind if I do, yoink!".

[@ouchiegiverjr]

How?? Bruh he just…took it?

[@THExRISER]

@@ouchiegiverjr Yeah Honsou had his weirdo Dark Mechanicum Morticians remove it and attach it to him instead.

[@ProjectXA3]

PASANIUS! Right, THAT was his name. I kept trying to remember wtf his name was, but I read the omnibus between playing the original Dawn Of War and Dark Crusade, so every time I tried to think of it all I kept coming back with was Pavonis, the territory of Dark Crusade's map with the Spaceport ability right next to the Space Marines' starting area

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

Technically, any sinusoidal wave can be graphed using sine or cosine functions with the only difference being the phase shift. Tangent produces an entirely different curve. I know this because I am Alpharius.

[@ananonymousnerd.2179]

Trigonometric functions and their inverses are fundamental to the art of infiltration, misinformation, and confusion. With them by your side, it becomes easier to dominate the battlefield. Case and point: you, dear reader, are probably wondering how knowing the exact value of tan(pi/2) would help you backstab a Space Marine, imitate his voice, and swap Power Armor with him before anyone else notices. But to a loyal Alpha Legionnaire, that very confusion is a better weapon than any bolter or chainsword. By the time our foes realize the trick in the question, they'd have missed the fact that half their forces are already dead. P.S: In the Alpha Legion, the correct answer isn't "undefined" (correct in math class), but "HYDRA DOMINATUS"! because we are all Alpharius and/or Omegon.

[@AlphariusMemegon]

Technically correct, the best kind of correct. To bad the test is multiple choice and that's not one of the answers.

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Anyone who claims they're Alpharius is obviously lying.

[@AlphariusMemegon]

@@SympatheticStrawmanVA Who is claiming to be Alpharius?

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

@@AlphariusMemegon OP. Also you, going by the username, ya saucy duck.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

For me I never had the existential dread and loathing for the Daemonculaba a lot of people do, before I got into 40K I read the Dune novels, and they're pretty much a more torturous version of the Teliaxu's Axotol Tanks. Still disturbing and horrifying to be sure, but honestly there's some of the Daemon possession fluff or other parts of 40k that I find worse to think about. My one gripe is while it does fit painfully well for the amoral and uncaring industrialized evil of the Iron Warriors, for lack of a better term it seems too experimental for them, I can't imagine how many victims and geneseed they had to burn through to get the process right, what's more horrifying to me is the thought that someone like Fabius Bile came in and set this up for them and could easily do it for anyone else willing to pay for the deranged apothecary's work.

[@Khornecussion]

I mean, that's the point of Bile. If he likes you and what you're hoping to achieve, he'll make it for you. Fabius likes the Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion. Both legions aren't pawns of the Chaos Gods. They instead USE the Chaos Gods and fight back against their will, refusing to be obedient dogs. He likes that because he does the same thing. He also likes the Red Corsairs, they're basically his #1 customers and even provide him fresh stock occasionally. Though now most of the collecting is done by his successful experiments rather than employing corsairs, etc. He has like 20 or so superior variants of the standard astartes that were basically primaris before they existed, if I recall.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

@@Khornecussion man out of all the chaos legions I do feel bad for the red corsairs. After reading the badab war, I am surprised the mantis warriors, lamenters, and executioners didn't fall to chaos as well despite all the crap the imperium had done to them. If the Inquisition weren't such dicks and the high lords more aware, then the warders and badab would have been fine. Also the fire hawks deserve to rot and die in whatever hell they come from and being one of the worst astartes next to the Marines malevolent.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

@@Khornecussion I believe wholeheartedly that so many problems with the Primaris would be fixed if it had been a last resort make by Fabius Bile in a secret deal with the Highlords of Terra after some major conflict and kept in emergency reserve. It works well with the fluff and it adds a layer of distrust and mystery for whether they really are the Imperium's salvation or it's doom. Cawl could be a tech priest who started as the castellan of this secret army.

[@Bluecho4]

Also, there are so many inefficiencies to the process, that exist only to be extra cruel. Like, you can just grow skin in a lab. You don't need to force-feed people to bloat them up and harvest the skin. 40K also has Vita-wombs, artificial wombs that can just birth people. Krieg uses them all the time to maintain the numbers needed for their Imperial tithe. The Dark Mechanicum could easily figure out a way to modify a Vita-womb to do what needed to be done, without bothering with the logistical nightmare that was using actual women (kidnapping them, keeping them restrained, performing the surgeries, keeping them alive, etc.). Like, even if you had no moral qualms about any of it, it's all just pointlessly cruel in a way that makes the process _harder._ (Though, obviously, it's Chaos, so the cruelty IS the point; but you wouldn't think the Iron Warriors would be about that, since they're looking for results).

[@Khornecussion]

@@Bluecho4 If anything, this kind of device feels like it'd be wanted by say, Word Bearers both for the fact that knowing them, they'd weaponize failed subjects as cannon fodder and they'd also use that extra cruelty obviously as offerings to the Ruinous Powers since nearly all the entities of the Warp feed on suffering in it's rawest form. I think the only one that doesn't just feed on " pure suffering " is Nurgle and the fact that with death comes disease, I mean... leave the path littered with corpses. There you go. Would literally please all four. Very Word Bearers.

[@lordgeneralmilitantdeezy7550]

Truly the fifth biggest atrocity ever committed in 40k. 1. Everything Slaanesh does 2.Everything the dark Eldar does 3.The ghoul stars 4.the Tyranids 5.daemon-culaba

[@WingsaberE3]

Feel like Tyrannids just eat you. Genestealers probably do gross stuff though.

[@deathkorpstrooper8228]

@@WingsaberE3 sometimes you are dissolved, cell by cell, while you're still alive. Actualy most of the Times. It IS painful, believe me or not.

[@Myname-cb9ru]

@@deathkorpstrooper8228 fair enough, but it's just an organism eating you, it's not trying to torture you. At least I think.

[@draconisaganata]

ghoul stars?

[@rocksteadyska6933]

@@draconisaganata you really don't want to know

[@RedMageNeko]

To be fair, the daemoncalabra is BAD. Like REALLY GODDAMN BAD!!! But the Dark Eldar and Slaanesh have both done some downright nasty shit as well. I think what makes it so bad is while they talk about, for example, a dark Eldar homunculai coven have their base as a living, mobile tower made out of the still living, fused bodies of their victims …. they don’t really detail it. The daemoncalabra is one of the few times where they go into REAL detail about this twisted stuff that makes it so disturbing. Also the fact that Honzo wasn’t feeding them JUST gene seed to make space marines, but actual, literal BODIES. Flesh to corrupted to harvest working gene seed from, INCLUDING from the bodies of both his enemies and his own men. And all for a process that BARELY worked. But then you remember that this thing also created The Newborn (who was basically an unfleshed clone of Ventris that had a healing factor that let him survive mortal wounds) and realize if he got this thing working ….. not good at all.

[@f.e.areproduce5298]

What if someone made a movie about one of those things with really high quality and realistic graphic style? Oh my god a part of my soul says that i wrote something that doesn't so good, but now it's only whisper.

[@prestonjones1653]

​​@@f.e.areproduce5298 Give me a budget and the most sick fucks who can use CGI, I'll do it

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

I imagine it'd look like Mad God@@f.e.areproduce5298

[@Anghellik9]

This same book series includes a couple of Dark Eldar torture scenes, and cemented a fear of them in me forever. It flat out says that they've turned their immense technological skill into keeping torture victims alive and conscious far past the point where their victims should have died. Like, cutting out their own hearts and showing it to them level of violence

[@rebel1717]

I personally appreciate GW taking THIS FAR of a step. Recently I feel Chaos has gotten more cartoonishly evil, and just feels like a Saturday morning cartoon villain for Guilliman to defeat. Seeing this really reminded me of how unbelievably evil Chaos can get, and it really sells “hell made manifest” imo. If you guys are looking for more tasteful evil from Chaos, I’d recommend the fan animation called Death of Hope. Takes place during the Horus Heresy, and it also really illustrates how evil and terrifying Chaos can be. It also has the best depiction of the Warp I’ve ever seen.

[@Archon3960]

Can we mention Typhus getting impressed with an imperial admiral getting "blessed" by Nurgle just to become a phone line for a Great Unclean One? X)

[@Archon3960]

Yeah, DoH has a *"This is true 40k, not this kiddy soyboy stuff we get nowadays."* feel to me. It is great and beautiful to behold, but it tends to be grimdark just for grimdark's sake. (In a pretentious way, aka : _OH, I AM SO DARK! PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!_ way.) Plus, it has big narrative problems. :/

[@TiernanWilkinson]

Yeah honestly. The Imperium do heinous shit and yet they're supposed to represent what's left of anything good in the galaxy, so you'd think Chaos should be pointedly worse.

[@sunjian5458]

Uriel Ventris is the perfect example of true courage. Yes he's afraid, yes he's broken, yes he would prefer to run and never come back. Yet he goes back in anyway.

[@Biodeamon]

In today's episode we break DK's innocence everybody expects the gore and torture, and even some freaks still expect the murder fucking, but NOBODY expects the daemonculaba "it gets worse" is a phrase thrown around alot in 40k but in this one is actually DOES keep getting even worse, and in a way that makes sense

[@flintyleader7168]

Iron Warrors: "we use chaos to fight the corpse emperor, we aren't fanatics" Also Iron Warriors:

[@mikecampos1193]

No one to the black Templars kill these guys so angeredly it's justified.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@mikecampos1193 Especially considering they're a successor chapter of the Imperial Fists, so the Templars would be doubly pissed off already.

[@Corsair2092gaming]

That's My Legion for ya

[@Channel-23s]

Honshu is the crazy cousin of the bunch being half imperial fists

[@kohtahirano4546]

I honestly feel the DaemonCulaba fits well in the 40K universe. Compared to what the Dark Eldar get up to, it's only appropriate for Chaos to be as depraved and vile for making Chaos Space Marines. Cause let's be real, it's not like any sensible or willing woman would want to consensually breed Chaos Space Marine recruits.

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

Fun fact: All sensible women want to breed Chaos Space Marines. *Whether they're willing or not.* This message brought to you by the Emperor's Children.

[@Pinkus_]

How disgusting can humanity be? Go look at chaos stuff

[@kohtahirano4546]

@@mortemtyrannus8813 "Everybody has a hidden Breeding Kink." -Primarch Fulgrim

[@foriarez944]

As bricky says, it is distasteful, but as you say, it is on brand with the kind of evil and cruel things you would see on 40k, so even if it's horrible it still feels like it fits with what would be seen within universe.

[@monsterhiddenfromthesun210]

@@kohtahirano4546 Jesus, That's.... That's a.... That is a line.

[@nateschaller2911]

Graham McNeill also wrote "The Last Church," which is one of the more iconic and untraditional 40k (or... 29k?) stories.

[@benjamintherogue2421]

One of the most overrated fedora-tipping stories of Warhammer 40k. I'm agnostic, but good gods does that story come across as a first year college student's attempt to slam on some religious kid at a mall conversation.

[@nateschaller2911]

@@benjamintherogue2421 That’s pretty much it! haha

[@xaga8794]

@@benjamintherogue2421 na it was neat.

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@benjamintherogue2421 that’s emps for ya!

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

Knowing that McNeil is currently writing for Riot is cool, but it feels like cursed knowledge.

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

Given that Riot is currently being investigated by the State of California for being an excessively toxic workplace for women, it sure is.

[@passchen-fail3704]

Riot Games is pretty typical for an electronic media company. I don’t know if I’d trust the state that has medieval diseases and street sanitation, and train robberies to really be able to fix anything, though.

[@inductivegrunt94]

This thumbnail just perfectly encapsulates my feelings towards this episode, but I am going to remain here and watch this through to the end as it's no longer about what's being talked about, but how Bricky will covey the Information to DK, and what images Shy will post. After watching the episode edit: I was not disturbed in the slightest by this as I already watch Leutin09's video on this so this wasn't new information for me. But seeing DK's reaction to this, Bricky explaining this, and Shy trying to find safe images for this was what kept me watching this episode. So what a way to start the new year, the Daemonculaba, well atleast it's over and we can move on. This wasn't my favorite episode but it was entertaining nonetheless, I just hop that next week is a more light hearted one, although with what this week was about it would be hard to find something even more gross and disturbing than this Edge for the of Edge part of the 40k universe, but we'll just have to wait and see. but until then take care everyone and I hope to next week.

[@digitalninja5941]

Light hearted in 40k?

[@inductivegrunt94]

@@digitalninja5941 Light hearted compared to the Daemonculaba, that's what I meant.

[@digitalninja5941]

@@inductivegrunt94 ahhh kk I guess I read it wrong. I hope to see a Blood angles ep soon Dante is one of my favorite characters and the blood angles (most of them) are one of the nicest legions other then the Salamanders.

[@konstantin3374]

Bricky should've mentioned that Honsou got his shiny metal arm exactly during these events by ripping it off Uriel's comrade veteran sergeant chad Pasanius Lysane (who himself got it as an ad-hoc prosthetics in first book of Ventris Bizarre Adventure)

[@bnjmnhlt]

Chad Pasanius, nice. Got the living metal arm after an “infection” after a necron attack and embarked on a path of self harm because he hated he was part Xenos. There’s some seriously fucked up shit in the Uriel Ventris Chronicles.

[@konstantin3374]

@@bnjmnhlt That's why people love them and consider McNeill one of the "better" 40k writers.

[@tonybayer2546]

Uriel and Pasanius are some of the biggest bros in 40k and I hate that so few people know about them, I even made a model for Pasanius out of Gravis Space Marine bits so that I can have both Uriel as a Captain and Pasanius as an Eradicator Sergeant on the tabletop.

[@bnjmnhlt]

@@tonybayer2546 that’s really cool. Did you do him with or without the arm?

[@tonybayer2546]

@@bnjmnhlt I took one of the bionic arm bits holding a pistol and put it on him while he holds a heavy melta rifle in the non shooting hand, he gets a new metal arm after returning with Uriel to the Ultramarines.

[@KazimirDoP]

The reason why Jojo villians kicked dogs is because the writer thought them as the symbols of purity of all good things, so having a villian kick them shows how much of a horrible person they are supposed to be seen

[@lucascoval828]

Finally. Somebody who knows what their talking about.

[@riokollivier]

It’s also a literal trope, the Kick the Dog.

[@ProjectXA3]

Ok, makes sense. But then why is Iggy such an ugly farting bastard at first?

[@rgama1173]

​@@riokollivier indeed, we love dogs on a cultural and individual level, so to see someone attack a dog is monstruos

[@bl0ndiey136]

a few things from the book that aren’t necessarily covered correctly here: Uriel’s battle brother (forgot his name) originally had the living metal arm, I think(?) he got it from the demon train that transported them to the Daemoncalaba world, and Honsou took it for himself cause he liked it. Uriel’s transgression was “modifying” a gunship by basically tearing out a bunch of heavy shit so the ship could fly better or faster, which was an offense to the machine spirit. this was seen as a huge offense and that’s what got him sent out on the death oath if i remember correctly. a little fun fact is the Raven Guard renegade they mentioned ended up joining Honsou. also, they saw Perturabo’s fortress while they were on the planet which was kinda cool.

[@MPHJackson7]

"And then Slaanesh is just looking at all this with interest, their eyes narrowed, and it says; "hmm, that's an interesting act, what do you call yourselves?" and Honsou sticks his chest out and goes; "The Aristocrats!"" (quote shamelessly stolen from 1d4chan)

[@Spartan135]

Hellsing Ultimate abridged by Teamfourstar

[@TheDragiron]

That image speaks by itself: "Maybe... maybe if i gouge my eyes out and get some Mechanicus occulus... Maybe then i'll stop seeing that daemon when I blink or sleep..."

[@Haispawner]

This episode has Ultramarines being mentally scarred for life you can't regret it reaching the goal.

[@GrumbleGrimbus]

Ultramarines bad, like now

[@Haispawner]

@@GrumbleGrimbus It's a little satisfying you must admit, Ultramarines being portrayed not as the perfect plot armored "heroes" but just Space Marines with their struggles that are not immune to what the galaxy has to offer. And it's a bit of a tradition to meme on the Ultras here in Adeptus Ridiculous.

[@GrumbleGrimbus]

@@Haispawner Oh I know, it just gets boring after hearing it for the tenth time, but Warhammer fans can’t make new jokes, just like how GW struggles with new models that aren’t Imperium

[@stripeybag6977]

"Tigurius is the strongest space marine psyker." Mephiston has entered the chat.

[@Crazael]

38:50 Remember, it was a Guardsman (well, Imperial Army, but they're basically the same thing) who stood against Horus himself in defense of the Emperor. This sort of thing is just how the Guard operate.

[@killroy1117]

Time for another wholesome family friendly Adeptus Ridiculous stream I can watch with grandma 👵

[@BLOODKINGbro]

R34 approved!

[@WHISKEYSHIZZLE]

Do and bricky: “the demon kabasa is gross and in poor taste”. Average cannibal corpse fan: “weak”.

[@lucascoval828]

🤣🤣🤣

[@1bulak]

Yeah, my boy Uriel really had it rough. The next book, the grey knights essentially burn him with holy oil, and im sure a thought in the back of his head was "its not enough, i still have that stink on me"

[@pifilixxiv3192]

Imagine being burnt with holy oil and still feel like that ain't enough

[@arqueiroXD]

I do like the Daemonculaba a lot because it fells like a disturbing cruel but done more on the idea of being effective. More important EVERYONE SUFFERS. So it does not fell like is hitting just one part of the population, as it is hitting everyone in this felling of dread.

[@robert8984]

That "random planet" in the Eye of Terror was Medrengard, the Daemon World of Perturabo and the homeworld of the Iron Warriors. Next to terra the most fortified place in the galaxy and the planet with the most Space Marines per km². The "civil war" was a fight over the geneseed, but also is an event which is encouraged by Perturabo. He wants the Grand Companies of the Iron Warriors to siege and murder each other all the time to weed out the weak.

[@mikaelantonkurki]

Despite the fact he's a ruthless and merciless warlord, responsible for the deaths of billions of innocent people, Honsou is a decent and just leader to his men. You would never see him sending his men to certain death without a very good reason, and most times he actually jumps in and joins them, getting his gauntlets dirty digging trenches alongside everybody else. You would never see him killing his subordinates for anything lesser than outright treachery. He made the Daemonculaba for the entirely reasonable purpose of pumping out more Space Marines, rather than for the sake of torturing innocent people like some Haemonculus would. Honsou shows respect to both his allies and his foes which is something rarely seen amongst corpse-worshipers or even Tau. Of course, being a Chaos Lord he still needs to meet his work quotas but he never descends into cartoonish villainy for the sake of villainy. It is stated in-universe, that if not for the fact that he was born (made?) in an already Chaos-corrupted legion, Honsou would have been great material for a noble imperial hero. It should furthermore be noted that he maintains this demeanor in a society (in the loosest sense of the word) that is almost to a man made up of sociopaths devoid of all but the most basic forms of empathy (and the vast majority of the succsesfull lose even that over time). His general decency contrasts very heavily with his villainous moments, which is probably the reason why those moments look much more monstrous and terrible than pretty much the same things performed by Fabius Bile or Abaddon. In fact, his humanity and civility is what makes his evil so much more disturbing.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

So the fact he could be mistaken for a reasoble and well rounded human being makes the dark depths within him all the more horrifying because of what it implies about the rest of us.

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

Yes inquisitor, this is the Chaos Sympathizer! /s

[@jacobfreeman5444]

@@joshuafischer684 Self interest and motivation. No one does things for no reason. Not fathoming one's own reason doesn't make it non-existent. We percieve some benefit to ourselves and act to promote that, or to remove obstacles to that. The more extreme the action the more desirable the objective is, or how dangerous the opposing force is seen as. We really are just smart animals. Not something to be ashamed of, just aware of.

[@Lichemaster]

You guys skipped one, important detail. Ventris wasn't in demonculaba alone. There was boy with him that become basicly his dark clone.

[@starwarsnerd100]

Wasn’t there an Unfleshed who survived the battle, but then had a “tell me about the rabbits George” moment?

[@Inucroft]

yes

[@bigboynow7936]

@03germas Ah, fuck, mate, why, no

[@thickmanatee]

I watched another video about Daemonculaba a while ago and I thought the birthing things were just like pods. Like mechanical pods and I thought "that's not too bad"... I wanna go back to thinking that...

[@exactinmidget92]

It sucks to be those Guardsman in particular. They survived both the poison from the ad mech and the assault from the Iron Warriors on Hydra Cordatus and now they are in a demon world.

[@dominicvucic8654]

They better do my boy uriel justice he's one of the greatest space marine captain I had the pleasure of reading about

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

He seems pretty cool and reasonable. I know nothing about him though other than his TTS incarnation

[@dominicvucic8654]

@@Nostroman_Praetor you know captain Titus from space marine

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

@@dominicvucic8654 is he like titus?

[@dominicvucic8654]

@@Nostroman_Praetor yeah stoic loose with the codex adaptable unflinching loyalty

[@Or_Am_I_Alpharius]

Nightbringer was my intro to 40K, picked it up at a used book store because the cover looked cool. 16 years later and I’m still happy with it. I immediately jumped at the chance when GW finally made him a model

[@Milk192]

Wasn't there a bit that explained Ventris's tears, something like the superhuman senses of a Space Marine kind of communing with the horror he was nested in? Hearing it's thoughts, feeling it's emotions, the real f'd up side of the former human now birthing machine trapped in that reality? Can't tell if that was a thing but I have a sense I've read it somewhere 🤔

[@lockhartwalker1431]

You see this as a daemonculaba episode I see this as a hansou episode We are not the same

[@tonybayer2546]

You see this as a Honsou episode. I see this as a Uriel Ventris episode. We're not the same.

[@ethanguest3438]

@@tonybayer2546 You see this as an Uriel ventriss episode I see this as an guard episode We are not the same

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

You are all seeing this video I can't see shit, I'm blind We're not the same

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732 you can’t see shit. I refuse to see shit. We are not the same.

[@TheVerruckMan]

@@lordfelidae4505 You refuse to see this shit. I willingly look upon this shit with glee. We are not the same.

[@LemanRussVanquisher]

"The big hero of this is the Guardsman." Correct, doesn't even matter which story you're telling in 40k, that's how it ends.

[@LordIsrafel]

What many consider to be the best introduction to reading 40K novels is an anthology called "Crusade + Other Stories". The very first short story within it involves a Guardsman Sergeant telling an Ultramarine, after the boyscout tried to encourage them to give the coming battle their best, to essentially "shut up and watch us". He then proceeded to be the last remaining member of his platoon in the fight, where he was toyed with by the commander of the contingent of Death Guard they were all fighting against. Surrounded by CSM scum and being toyed with just before being ripped in half, he pulls a pin on an entire satchel of krak grenades, catching the commander and his personal retinue to be caught point-blank in an explosion. This killed most of the group, as well as inflicting severe injuries upon the commander. Injuries which had not fully healed by the time this commander faced the Ultramarine that was the focus of the story, allowing the Ultramarine to finally slay him (though even then at the cost of being so injured himself that they could only save him by putting him in a Terminator). It really drives home the point to even newcomers of the series that IG are the ones that Get Shit Done, even if it costs them everything.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@LordIsrafel *dreadnought. Not Terminator. Dreadnoughts are the BIG walking armoured boxes. Terminator armour is just your standard Space Marine armour, but LOTS thicker, and a fuckload harder to manufacture (like, to the point that I think the Mechanicus almost CAN'T make them anymore due to their fucking need to hide away all information about tech and then wonder why humanity is regressing and forgetting how to make things.) and I think some (at least the Deathwing Terminators of the Dark Angels) have Teleporter Beacons installed.

[@Aschwartz14]

“He had a nightmare and he saw some really nightmarish awful depressing horrifying shit. Then he woke up and it was 2020.” This is an accurate statement.

[@ragnarokcitadell]

knowing that someone from riot wrote this is the most cursed thing i found out about the whole thing

[@aganaom1712]

"i've read berserk, i can handle this" * 1 hour later * "i can handle it. but im not happy about it."

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

*_UltraNotHappyAboutIt_*

[@Wizardsfirstrule57]

It feels like exactly what chaos is described as in the entire warhammer 40k

[@steweygrrr]

Honsou is _the_ most evil CSM character imo and I honestly hope he gets added as an Iron Warriors character in the new Codex. Bits Bricky missed: Honsou got his metal arm from the other -Smurf- Ultramarine who was with Ventris. He had been sentenced to the death oath for willingly using a necrodermis arm. The enemy of the Bloodthirster imprisoned in Honsou's fortress was a _fucking daemon train!_ The colonel and the sergeant from Hydra Cordatus fought their way out of a Warpsmiths Daemon Engine forge by starting a slave rebellion _before_ meeting Ventris. The Raven Guard dude seems to be extra Raven Guard-y because he can force people to not perceive him when in the shadows. Ventris is probably the only Astartes in history to have a son in canon. Well more like clone I guess? When he was punching his way out of the Cilbasa the boy that had been sealed in there with him somehow absorbed his DNA and became one of the few successes. Honsou called it the Newborn but _fucking despises_ it because it reminds him of Ventris every time he sees it. The Newborn is creepy motherfucker too.

[@tonybayer2546]

As an Ultramarines fan, Uriel Ventris is without a doubt my favorite character in 40k, way cooler than Calgar or even Guilliman imo. I'm glad he got some respect in this episode, even if it highlights his worst moments in his story. Also his new model comes with a different head than was originally advertised because of how bad it was, the new head isn't as bad but I had to give the haircut a fade with my hobby knife to make it less stupid.

[@benthomas3355]

You forgot about the Uriel Ventris unfleshed that was born from his DNA and time in the demon kilbasa

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

I can’t believe they forgot that!

[@Lazysupermutant]

A good boy

[@chrislatam5423]

What!!!?

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

@@chrislatam5423 oh yah he got an evil skinless twin.

[@Lazysupermutant]

@@chrislatam5423 Yuiop, he's called the "Newborn" I believe, he's a combination of innocent, sociopathic, and utter fucking brutal.

[@emwZEEK]

This is probably the "grossest" thing in 40k, but not the most "disturbing". Like i am not an expert on 40k whatsoever, but i think there are probably other examples of psychological horror and transformations that are less gross and explicit but more disturbing on a fundamental level because they are less understandable. Like fuck i watched the movie "slither" when i was like 15 and it had a woman get bloated by evil worms such that she filled an entire barn while alive birthing them. So i guess what i am saying is this lacks imagination and creativity. Stuff like getting trapped inside your own mind, Vulcans torture, or the Nurgle stuff is more "disturbing". Hannibal Lector comes to mind, he is not disturbing because he is a cannibal. he is disturbing because of his thought process, methods, personality, and ideology.

[@reignick1133]

This is not the "grossest" things in 40k.. that would go to Inquisitor Jaq Draco's fetish which was throughly explored.

[@jamieenoshima5147]

Tbf right, the psychological torture of going through that is probably worse. Idk how you'd feel about it happening to you. Would rather be Vulkan. It is sh*t and not the most original. Because it's kind of gross, and If they where to write what that actually felt like from the woman's perspective. Well it'd get banned and the author would probably require lots of PTSD counselling for even trying to imagine it.

[@IngenieroBasado]

Bruuuh i saw that movie like when i was like ten years old or and still remember that scene, who would thought that random guy on youtube would help me to remember the name of the movie.

[@mauktheogre4477]

The exact scene you mentioned is the only thing I could think of when reading about the daemoncualbi

[@Lightscribe225]

Grossest I've seen was from fantasy actually where a bloodthirster ripped a dwarf's rib cage open by digging into his stomach with a finger, and ate his heart; and the dwarf saw the entire process before he died.

[@danielvidalterrades9148]

Well, DK not being all that impressed about the distended skin on the moaning slaves is actually very telling about the weird sensitivity of 40k fans like Bricky, saying how the daemonculaba is in bad taste and edgy for the sake of edgy and all that stuff is kind of "unfair" when it is heavily implied (and proven) that the dark eldars, slaanesh, nurgle, and even the imperium do things like that all the time, this is just one of the few times when it has been very detailed and central to a story.

[@Bricky]

Sometimes less is more. Is it accurate lore wise? Oh completely. But sometimes I’d prefer to leave it to my imagination rather than it painstakingly described to me.

[@1vandread]

@@Bricky implied over described, am I right?

[@blockhead134]

Western society lets a room full of children be butchered and calls it pg13, but 2 seconds of titty makes it R. We are fine with violence and torture but making it sexual offends our sensibilities

[@Morec0]

@@blockhead134 Puritanism, and it's on the rise again. We had a good start of a run around the 90s, but that was all forgotten by the 2010s.

[@daemonofdecay]

@@Bricky Plus GW is a game company. They don’t want to explicitly show all the crazy NC-17 stuff that is going on. It would be hard to sell models to little Timmy if his mom saw a daemon kielbasa model on the wall.

[@innocenceUnknown]

Its not that unusual to find out someone like McNeill writes for Riot Games. Dan Abbnett for a while wrote the Rebirth line of Aquaman at DC Comics. He also wrote a few other books for them too like Silencer and the Mera spin off books. He also wrote a bunch of books for Dark Horse in the Alien and Predator comics

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

Givennthe body horror elsewhere in the grim dark, like the dark eldar and the nightlords treatment of prisoners, I really don't feel this is any worse. Really feels par for the course as far as I can tell.

[@casperaaron5530]

They don’t tend to describe stuff quite as vividly as they describe this. Also, this sort of hits on a lot of things that I don’t expect most guys to pick up on, so as a female fan, the fact that it’s this story that gets the horrifically detailed descriptions does make it much, much worse. Generic torture, whatever. Reduced to a less than human creature used only for breeding and torment? Sounds a bit too familiar to me.

[@TheAsylumCat]

In the 40k universe, if you are about to be captured by enemy forces, a bullet to the brain pan is a prescription, not a suggestion.

[@mr.potato2223]

I'm grabbing a melta bomb pulling the pin and running towards them

[@lacavernademr.fuller7414]

Remember ALWAYS SAVE ONE BULLET FOR YOURSELF

[@whitemoon8987]

"Lets just be real nice hey, hey guys? Let's just be real...real-" -Final Words of Imperial Saint of the XXTH, Guardsman Simpkin

[@mr.potato2223]

@@whitemoon8987 Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@81Mo81]

Thing is, I actually like the story and It's interesting that that the most fucked thing chaos has done came from the Iron warriors absolute pragmatism

[@random40kfan57]

Well all i can say is they needed chaos space marine real quick and i don't think perturabo liked the idea in general i don't think iron warriors liked honshu because he is half breed

[@THExRISER]

Finally, someone who shares my exact viewpoint. The Daemonculaba isn't fucked up JUST because of the details, it's because at the end of the day, it was just a means to an end.

[@axewielder7394]

Shout out to 'Takeback the Holyland' for coming in with the sentence "The womb broke before the guard did."

[@Terminal1011]

Them talking about tags made me realize just how innocent they both are how adorable

[@Kyrobinthian]

In the book Uriel climbs up onto the emperor statue but breaks a piece of the wall allowing the sun to shine onto the statue while the unfleshed watched and they saw that as a sign that the emperor is watching over him

[@tiran2237]

Love it when the guard pull their adamantium rate balls and do the jobs that marines are too scared to do

[@davidfinkel7379]

​Brother, get the flamer, the HEAVY FLAMER

[@Dethel]

NO BROTHER WE ARE GOING TO NEED AN INFERNO CANNON FOR THIS HERESY!

[@sloshed-rat]

That's it. Everyone, get in the ship. Tell command to get the orbital bombardment ready.

[@gabrielgmrocha]

I'd love to see an episode on the Carcharodons , big boy Tyberos is dope

[@thejestor9378]

He’s the current writer for Riot games lore yes. He is why their lore stuff and character backgrounds have gotten better.

[@DouglasParkinson]

I don't think we'd see a Honsou model before the Iron Warriors get a modern general Warsmith model, I think the old model on GW's webstore might even still be METAL. There's a very nice Honsou proxy that can be 3D printed, on Thingi. There's also the renegade Raven Guard on there as well.

[@passchen-fail3704]

Is it metal? I prefer that to resin, plus it doesn’t break if it falls off the table. The model doesn’t at least. The tiles might get chipped.

[@Rapture-nv5vj]

"Iron within, iron without"? More like "Skin within, skin without" God damn it, I need my forget me juice.

[@Exodiant]

Yup, I know McNeill did a great story on Jax and Icathia's fall. It's really good. As a longtime 40k-er who's recently fallen to League, it was as surprising for me as it was for Bricky.

[@Daidalus2]

The Ultramarines Omnibus was actually the first book I ever read in the Warhammer universe. I really liked it and have been a fan ever since. Tbf I really enjoy violence in my fiction and the opposite in my regular life.

[@passchen-fail3704]

Same. I read it on an airplane when I was 14. Read a little in Disney World, too.

[@abakedtater8553]

Iron Warrior: *smacks roof of Daemonculaba* "This bad boy can fit so much geneseed in it"

[@chronovac]

It _IS_ probably the grossest part of 40k, but body horror has never really hit me as hard as extestential and psychological horror does. The whole "every soul may be eternally damned when they die because the warp is so fucked" is far more horrifying to me because there is no escape from that fate and it's EVERYONE.

[@xanmontes8715]

That's so weird because it's the complete opposite for me.

[@Sam--506]

The Ultramarines Omnibus was the first book I red on Warhammer. Back in those times when internet was not as available and the only criteria was the cool cover of the book. I had no idea what was going but since 14 I became a fan of this univerce! Though my alignment changed to Slaanesh xD Good job guys and a happy new year!

[@furymyboy]

does each legion have its own way of creating chaos space marines or is this the only way? like alpha legion confusing a loyalist to go rebel. or Fabius bile cloning marines like what he did with Horus.

[@blockhead134]

This was an attempted method. Most chaos Marines are simply traitor astartes or made the "normal" way. If the daemonculaba proved efficient, they could make an iron warrior factory tho, so it was still a big deal

[@blazeburner303]

I mean chaos marines are like germany in 1945, they are dumping tons of resources into anything to find any kind of advantage to their problem of chaos damages their gene seed as well as any raided gene seed they can steal, so they are using any and all methods to squeeze even one more chaos marine out of the small supply they can muster at any one time

[@furymyboy]

@@blockhead134 Thanks for the info!

[@digitalninja5941]

To put on top of what the other commenters have said the old 9 traitor legions gene seed has been corrupted by the warp so they can't make pure said legionaries anymore unless certain things like a hidden vault of Geneseed or one that isn't to corrupt. But other then that they have renegades like the Red coursiers who I believe are either ultramarine or imperial fist successor chapter that had gone choas to fill in the spots. Also most of the chaos space marines are fuckers that have been around for 10,000 years since the great crusade.

[@YoJimBoHugabaJoe]

One novel I read said most chaos marines,when they die,either reappear somewhere else in time or upon a demon world

[@throneup]

This gives me such a guttural indescribable feeling that I haven’t felt since I watched the human centipede 2, the feeling is so bad that it makes me question life as I now know I have to continue living knowing that 1. That someone came up with this, and 2. This feeling will eventually come again. It is so awful it literally gives me an existential crisis.

[@Bohous156]

Funnily enough daemonculaba was one of the first things from WH40K I have learned about, it kind of set the tone and expectations of the franchise for me

[@Josco83]

Count Dooku said it best, but I’ll say it again: I’ve been looking forward to this. Perfect content for my lunch break.

[@chadwickjdillon]

As a Detroitist, i can confirm that the amount of small arms fire on new years eve is... incredible. And yeah, most of how you guys describe us is accurate. Oh, and I am Alpharius. XX till death.

[@martinberthelsen9256]

When DK said "you'd need to be prepared for some weird shit in the Eye of Terror", I really hoped Bricky would give him a quick rundown of Oliensis...

[@DzikiWaclaw]

Bricky: Tiguris is the strongest space marine psyker Every Blood Angels player: MEPHISTON

[@mathiaslaron3372]

EXACTLY

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

oh don't you worry the livechat was screaming that too during the premiere

[@csgilmore3536]

I think this is the one book in this series that I have read because I found it at a used book store. Was gross, but I felt it actually captured the horror and cruelty of chaos. Also I recall it being well written.