AIKIDO - The way that doesn't work! - Episode #3

Aikido the way that doesn't work episode #3 Ushiro waza is the highlighted technique for this episode. Lenny sly sensei of the #roguewarriors training compound does it again by exposing traditional aikido with what doesn't work. Here Sly sensei shows us the ineffective way on how ushiro waza attacks just don't work in the real world. He also talks about and demonstrates that the real purpose of ushiro waza is based on a failed kosa dori application. Sly sensei completely debunks the misconceptions of another traditional aikido technique in full detail and much more.

[@persuadersonic]

"If it doesn't work, there is no point in training it" These words should be carved in gold.

[@justicierapple]

Nice video Lenny ! We have to see wrist Ushiro grabs as a historical heritage from Samaurai Age. As almost all wrist grabs, the point is to prevent the Samuraï to use his weapons and the idea is the same with an Ushiro wrist grab attack that is supposed to be a surprise attack. And here it’s point and you made the point : it doesn’t make sense at all to start an Ushiro attack starting by the front. I don’t understand why in Aikido people do such shits. A guy who comes in front will stay in front to hurt you as quick as possible, he will not turn around you to grab the wrists by behind. A guy who wants to surprise you will come from behind and, in our modern time, choke you, block your arms, an so on. A good training of Ushiro is important since it offers the opportunity to use the five senses, to feel the opponent attack and intuit the position of his body without actually being able to see it directly. Ushiro attack (when it’s done correctly, not like in Aikido) is an added value in fighting training.

[@regis3763]

In Daito-Ryu, the technical ancestor of aikido, the real attacks come from behind and not from the front! In aikido, side attacks never change axis so it’s easy to dodge. Even in slow motion if you make a yokomen (or Ouramen) if you change the axis at the last moment you touch all the aikidokas. It is the same for shomen with swords or aikidoka attack shomen while advancing at the same time. A kendoka would touch them every time (same for tsukis). I am 3rd dan of aikido that I gave up for a more logical aiki (jutsu) practice, that makes me today 47 years of practice aiki and kendo. I watch your videos with great interest. Congratulations and congratulations to you and your passionate research. Excuse my English (done by Reverso) because I am French and unfortunately do not speak English.

[@antgto]

I was just wondering when another one of these would be uploaded, and to my delight, I see this in my notifications. Keep up the good work!

[@mergsTM]

I'd like to see the aiki-bunny at 18:28 on a loop. Any time I need a little cheering up from my ushiro tekubikosa practice (required for my upcoming 4th Kyu exam) I could play it and heal my crushed soul just a little bit.

[@dannydortch5196]

Another Truth Bomb! Great Video Sly Sensei

[@RandAlthor939]

In tomiki aikido we have 5 koryu kata. Or traditional aikido techniques they number around 150 techniques most schools don't understand them and generally fuck them up like some bullshit dance . The only instructor I knew of that understood they were all exercises and not combat . Yet very important for our randori skills was Neil Saunders sensei. 4th Dan tomiki 5th Dan yoshinkan. . Randori in tomiki is very similar to judo . Yet the contact is made through handblade not gi. Everyone looks down on tomiki system . Yet it has really helped me see what doesn't work and what does . We don't only train with 100% resistance we learn effective counters. Throw in dirty boxing ,jujitsu and some low kicks you have a wonderful aikido. . Yes it's aikido because aikido is a principal of movement. Love the videos

[@rikai2559]

Ian Moody Do you have a video of yourself doing some sorts of training? Would love to see them. 😊

[@AJilla71]

Aiki Bunnies 😂 Dude, I love your approach, teaching and discussions on Aikido. Thank you!!!!!

[@jhalverson55405]

My aikido eyes are opened. Thank you.

[@jasonhartigan8514]

Yeah I agree Lenny , I’m totally questioning my Aikido & what works & doesn’t we don’t see this in the dojo ! Thanks for this video series

[@JackieWCox]

Thanks for telling it like it is bro. I learned some things that you taught tonight bro. Thanks for a great video bro.

[@MartinShihan]

You are great You really help me see things in a whole new light. Really inspiring. Thanks Lenny. Keep up the great work you are helping so many people with these videos. Martin Acton Northern Ireland

[@tinoh543]

Thanks again for all this blessings

[@steveayton992]

Great video lenny i hope to blend this style of aikido with my wing chun i love it thank you so much

[@mountain1ify]

I believe the reason for the odd grab defenses comes from knife attacks. If you watch videos of stabbings from the rear (I found 10), often (60%) the attacker grabs a wrist, arm, or shoulder to hang onto while they attack, 30% neck or higher (hair). Nine out of 10 of the rear stabbings involved a grab or "choke" . A third of the rear attacks started in the front, so people will chase you around while grabbing and stabbing. About 75% of the frontal minetsuki (I found 8) also included a grab with non stabbing hand. For whatever reason, when people go ham on somebody with a knife, they usually grab them with the other hand.

[@DermerStigecius]

That's a good work. Thank you.

[@db124760]

Very true all of what you are saying. Good for you.

[@jamesadamik2710]

Hey Lenny, Again our two branches seem to be very close, with some small differences. The Ushiro techniques were taught to me as failed techniques as well. The way we drill it is with the idea that every one of those, are failed Nage Waza. Take, for example, that crappy choke that you rightfully explained is a poor choke. Your right, it is a horrible choke. You are performing a Mune Tsuki Koshinage. You have caught his wrist, and got him up on your back. Suddenly, he reaches over your shoulder and grabs on to your gi. If hes really good, he wraps his leg around the front of your leg, stopping the throw. Now what position is he in? The exact “stupid choke” we are talking about. If you watch some of the Tomiki boys doing their Randori, or watch enough judo matches, you will see all the times that people naturally adapt the Ushiro positions when a technique fails. Its great to see another school applying this knowledge other than my own :) great video, I would love to see your Aikikai Kokyonage that doesn't work video! Kokyonage in the Aikikai branch is ridiculous, and even O sensei hated it, he just didn't forbid people from using it as a practice drill for Ukemi.

[@jaypeesee3333]

2021!!!..nice to see this 3rd episode of yours.. Looking for ep. 1🤔

[@oussamawassim405]

Thank you man really i like your style that's make me stronger

[@cajunmandick2985]

Shit son, you have encapsulated my thoughts on traditional aikido, I study akijutsu and you have nailed the watered down aikikai stuff and I thank you and my teacher for the realism of street fighting. Keep the vids coming, you have no idea of how you motivate me and others. This shit will keep me alive because I'm old and homeless and I can only afford to train and eat, nothing else. I'm not gonna be vulnerable just because of my age and living situation, thanks again Sensei.

[@jayschaufele7685]

Yet u have a phone. Even homeless people have cell phones these days. Smh

[@kingshabazz1310]

Jay music The government will give you a free phone if you’re on low income.

[@mauricesearcy7789]

AWESOME LENY SLY AWESOME SPEAK THE TRUTH LOVE IT

[@GregoryPage-tx6fq]

I love the video it was very interesting

[@ronlior2958]

Very good to know. Real applications

[@user-cc1qn4ie8l]

really good video

[@69chikano22]

Lenny, you absolutely right 😉

[@justinwallace269]

The Aiki-bunny version seems to be a super safe way to get the muscle memorie for technique down, but when people take that as reality, stupid unrealistic attack scenarios seem to be the result. Its because too many people are martial arts parrots who can't think for themselves. I'm thankful to have been introduced to Aikido by someone as thorough as Lenny. Another good defense against headlocks is a solid suplex. 👌

[@ezekielgarza1150]

thanks very good tips. saves lifes

[@jeffflair]

MY FIRST TIME SEEING THIS ONE.....VERY GOOD

[@magnustuve]

Great exploration. I agree that ushiro wasa is taught as you describe, very stylised. The chasing of wrists is not explained. This only makes sense to me if you factor in weapons. That you, as the attacker, want to/have to neutralise the ability to pull a weapon. This is not specific for ushiro wasa but a a common feature in most aikido training. Other ideas anyone? For the logic/usability in attacking the wrist?

[@cliffwallshein8953]

I’m a Nidan and your right . There is an exception if you see the traditional techniques as a response if an attacker is after your weapon . They won’t let go of your wrist if your holding a knife . I’ve seen a lot of play aikido Very sad .

[@mountain1ify]

I think you're right about hanging onto the weapon arm, tunnel vision sets in and the wrist hold becomes a death grip. If you watch videos of stabbings from the rear (I found 10), often (60%) the attacker grabs a wrist, arm, or shoulder to hang onto while they attack. About 75% of the frontal minetsuki (I found 8) also included a grab with non stabbing hand. For whatever reason, when people go ham on somebody with a knife, they usually grab them with the other hand.

[@odudog]

Your missing the historical aspects of the attack. The major aspect of this attack is to hold nage so he can be arrested, not to beat nage unconscious. These forms of attack take place for multiple people are attacking at once. The run around is because nage has a weapon in the hand, so uke runs around so as not to be cut and tries to complete the restraint. My shihan doesn't like the run around as well but he still teaches it.

[@lionsden4563]

Good vid Lenny.

[@errolgivans6109]

Fire of truth From Sensei Sly....

[@anthonyweiburg2383]

You are 100 percent correct Sly

[@bouamahichem6267]

we missed you

[@sizigi13]

You are a realist, I like your vids

[@jenovasmith815]

good job.. Thank you :D

[@darkshell8794]

Excelent video, nice work 😃 I have a question, is it possible to do some kind of atemi, like moving slightly to the side and then elbowing him in the face which could give you time to execute techinque, because he will try to stop that elbow from hitting him? What are your thoughts about that? 😃

[@Bnievesinc]

Good video man.

[@TOMMYT-nv5rc]

Awesome stuff. Loved the video, would like to train with you sometime

[@minasz]

13.05 you did a good escape. He can not choke you in when you are in sidecontrol. You can get the headlock and easy go to fullmount armbar kimura americana or just punch his face in. i like this video though...cuz its real

[@gregseebregts2063]

Cool Stuff!

[@jonpatten3414]

I'd like to see the video you hinted about at the end....

[@sungtube7055]

Lol thank you. There is always vagues in between practice demo vs actual martial arts as there is no sparing. 8:00

[@rikai2559]

Wow! This is so freaking logic. 👍

[@michaelrodriguez1545]

Awesome instructor

[@raziel6373]

Could you incorporate some of these teachings in future combative concepts videos? Here and in the online classes?

[@qemueladinostudd6905]

I fucking love the way u teach aikido

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

This was very interesting, it would be cooler how you would make aikido work against modern day fighters. You really cracked me up laughing hard at times through this one. Do you recommend any website where I can view the aikido techniques? I want to see if I can make them work.

[@horse9259]

Great Job Lenny love your shit, the truth hurts. Keep doing what you are doing

[@mikegreenskywalker]

I don't claim to have your many years of training experience. However - the way I'm used to think of oshiro attack is not to mimic a realistic attack, but to learn how to become a center relative to the attacker (along with many other training techniques). I doubt that this attack was ever meant to represent a 'real attack'. Also - the way I was taught is actually when the attacker comes to grab your hand - if you're not moving with him (means backwards relative to your position) when he comes you already fucked up the attack because you're in a 'too late position' which he can punch your face (as you demonstrated). Regardless - thank you very much for all your videos, I really like how you put everything in doubt to make people think and contribute from your years of training experience & knowledge.

[@raybernard3144]

Hey what's up love ur videos it's been awhile.

[@ryanclay959]

I thank you for telling the truth

[@annonhimous6268]

i've got a doubt. When he says 'traditional aikido' he's talking about 'Aikikai style', insn't it?, every demostration of the 'traditional way' that he do i just see Aikikai (aikikai --> people who training falling down with out reazon). But he never shows Tradicional aikido, i mean, 'Iwama style', like Morihiro Saito sensei taught, because in aikido iwama you don't dance and let alone you don't need uke cooperation just need good atemi waza

[@pandabearlp]

Another great video. I'm only upset that I didn't think of Ushiro waza first, as it is one of the most bullshittiest techniques in Aikido.

[@bairiabderrahmane3100]

Sensie keep going im aikidoka too i algeria keep it going man

[@wm1322]

bairi abdrrahman are you from Algeria !?? 😮😮

[@bairiabderrahmane3100]

Yea man

[@rogerwilco8135]

Thanks for addressing the elephant. Traditional aikido fell on its own sword teaching unrealistic nonsense. Cuss it up... works for me.

[@antgto]

The technique used by Shinya Aoki in mma Sly speaks of at 16:33 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpispoOmirlnnNk

[@bouamahichem6267]

Hello teacher

[@Royk49]

Lenny - where’s your seminar schedule I wanna come train

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

As of right now, I don’t have any seminars scheduled.

[@Royk49]

Do you plan on any?

[@gregoryw.1160]

In the last video you discussed katadori ikkyo and mentioned that the way it's been done by senses including Kevin Choate shihan could never work. Let me start by saying that ALL of my commentary towards you has been respectful, still is, and except for encouraging you to "catch flies with honey" I've mostly agreed with you! I’ve even applied suriage as taught by you and Calderon-sensei online to shomentsuki attacks in a dojo within the past year when other stuff didn’t work, and watched uke fly! I'll even add to what you said about katadori ikkyo by offering O-Sensei's OWN MANUAL as evidence--in pictures he drives right toward hand on the shoulder that's being grabbed! So I hope that you will believe me when I tell you that I once attacked Kevin Choate-sensei katadori, resisted his ikkyo, and almost went flying to the ground! From memory he gently went around my strength with a gentler wrap around my arm with his hands, maybe softened his legs a bit, and the next thing I knew he’d almost driven my forehead into the mat! I remember being grateful later that I hadn’t resisted him while he was demonstrating technique in front of everybody or he probably WOULD have put me through the floor! As I’ve said already I admire the bujutsu style of your technique and the gist of what you’ve said in the past (not that you care, but I do!). I’ve wondered why so many dojos don’t teach Koshinage and Jujinage (how can you have a martial art without a hip throw?), why some skip Iriminage and Kokyunage in basics classes, why so many instructors never EVER grab-attack strongly when it’s what O-Sensei (according to Saito and Saotome shihandai) always insisted on, etc. I think that your frustration has paralleled my curiosity and many who are senior to me have also had those thoughts from time to time. HOWEVER, now I have to wonder: Are you saying Aiki (or what some call Musubi or Kokyu) is bull too? Are you saying that what George Ledyard provides in this video as a rudimentary example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIeVf4R8o8ynaac Or what Dan Harden does here in a more advanced example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5DZeqKlg82VeNU Or what Hiroshi Ikeda-shihan is probably doing here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZvXf5-OYraMntk …is all garbage? Which ones are and which ones aren’t? Because even implying that Kevin got on the mat and did ANY play acting with ANY technique, is kind of bewildering to me. But with an attack and technique that I’ve felt work personally from the man to the point that it made me recommit to my training for a time… Well, I am very interested in your response! Kevin studied under Saotome, who studied under Yamaguchi and O-Sensei. Reynosa-sensei studied under several including Seagal, who studied under MANY shihandai including Koichi Tohei, who studied under O-Sensei. Do you believe in ki-extension like Seagal does? Do you believe that he really could not not lift Koichi Tohei, or do you suspect that to be fake too? God’s honest truth: Until recently, it never occurred to me to even ask…

[@richardwilson5560]

LMAO Nobody grabs both hands, true that. Best laugh of week.

[@abcddcba8882]

🤙🏻

[@milosstojanovic4623]

Aiki bunny :D :D

[@Docinaplane]

It's beautiful, but if I'm going to grab a wrist the purpose is multi-fold. One is to neutralize the opponents weapons (hands and feet) by pulling them forward and down, as I punch them in the face with the other hand, prn.

[@jamesheppeler9716]

Your mentality reminds me a lot of myself

[@Royk49]

😂 Aikido bunny’s ❤️🤙

[@oussamawassim405]

I practice aikido and i swear it's like a dance now im in free fight

[@bobbyb7892]

👍

[@darrenshaver9454]

If Aikido doesn't work out on the street. Why is it taught that way in the first place?..

[@fabpern]

mmkay...

[@WalidWalid-gt9xe]

Good master Yas you mast keratin you stall for you old stall jast to no how move

[@CraigAB69]

Good stuff mate. Just a side note to someone choking you from a rear choke and how quick you lose consciousness, have a look at the following video where Judo Gene LeBell chokes this guy out (Index 5:30) BTW Gene is about 79 years old in the video. It happens so quick, its scary. So people need to remember being in a position with someone's arms around your neck you need to move as quick as possible, because you may have less than 5 seconds. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6bKh4J7jbB1iZY Thanks for keeping it real.

[@pandabearlp]

Gene Lebell is a world class grappler. It is rumored that Seagal Sensei was cocky and let Gene Lebell put him in a chock hold to see if he could escape it. I don't know if it is true, but they said Seagal Sensei was unconscious and urinated on himself.

[@TheMoodyedge]

ii ne!

[@pandabearlp]

Yokomen sankyo is unrealistic to me. The transition from the traditional capture to sankyo looks unnatural. Maybe you can do a video on that application if you agree. :)

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

+Lori Powell The attack is unrealistic but imo sankyo is extremely effective.

[@pandabearlp]

Oh yeah. I'm not saying sankyo is ineffective. I have used sankyo and it gets people to comply easily. It is very effective. Especially, sankyo very much...lol. That shuff is brutal. I meant that the transition from yokomen to sankyo is unrealistic :)

[@pandabearlp]

again to clarify, the transition in the traditional sense. I am sure in TenShin, several Te Sabaki transitions will work.

[@pandabearlp]

There is almost a ''pause'' that has to occur for the elbow and wrist to stop it's direction and rotate 180 degrees in the opposite direction...if that makes sense.

[@lionsden4563]

Lori Powell, I am very curious. Do you have a video of yourself doing some sorts of training?

[@frenzi333]

aiki bunny shit ha ha

[@raybernard3144]

Don't stop swaring

[@fritzraddatz5980]

Der Mann hat absolut RECHT!!!! Und ich bin kein Blackbelt, only Kyugrad but 14 years practise of Aikido and other Budo art's.

[@justinquaid2610]

I like what you say a lot. I would like to make suggestion if you are open to it? Get into George Dillman's pressure fighting on Tuite Jitsu and throw it into Aikido. It makes a lot of the techniques that don't work work. I don't care if you don't believe in the knockouts, or the energy knockouts that we do, but the Tuite portion of the art is specifically made for grappling and it puts a lot of pain into the nervous system, so it could be adapted into almost every Aikido technique. I was constantly using it in Aikido until I started getting in trouble for it. Whenever I used it I had people screaming in pain, but I had to stop because I started getting in trouble for it. www.dillman.com

[@rikai2559]

I thought that he was a fraud?

[@lionsden4563]

Justin Quaid, Those are bullshit bro.

[@justinquaid2610]

There's no bull shit about it. I've been doing it for 25 years. I've been knocked out before on stomach 9 and stomach 10. I've also knockout people on Stomach 9. It works by using the neurological system which is the bodies electrical system. It works by shutting down the bodies electricity to certain parts of the body and sending back the signal as pain to the central nervous system. You don't need to do knockouts which is a combination of 3 points. For grappling I only need one or two points to create enough pain in the nervous system to gain the control I want.

[@lionsden4563]

Justin Quaid, Seriously bro. Everything you have just said is bullshit. Anyways, do you have a video of yourself doing some sorts of training?

[@rikai2559]

I am pretty much curious too.

[@warriormanhasdied6479]

Hey lenny! Would you release a video of you fighting/sparring someone?

[@pandabearlp]

Sure, as soon as you release a video of you sparring in a real fight.

[@pandabearlp]

Sparring is for sport....training is for war. You don't see American soldiers sparring. You don't go to a shooting range and spar with your firearm, you TRAIN.

[@alangordon6443]

Why didn't you step in pivot behind him. It's a cross body attack step in move in is 101. Who trained you? I see you pivoting way too much.

[@misterprogressive8730]

Please invite an aikido 6th dan or higher and show him that all his teachings are wrong. Favorably christian tissier, 8th dan, or his student bruno gonzales, 6th dan. Thanks!

[@ebig1969]

Wolfram Schattenjäger I suspect that Tissier might agree with Sensei Lenny Sly that Aikido does not always equate to combat effectiveness or self defense. Here is an interview with Tissier where he discusses this. Start watching from 9:05 to see where he begins discussing that he is not interested in teaching certain techniques these days because he does not believe in them. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6ndl5-jjrKfjbc

[@RandAlthor939]

Wolfram Schattenjäger good point I have over the years been on courses where both sensei have been teaching. I agree they are both absolutely shite. All show and no substance. With highly trained uke. That are more acrobat than aikidoka. It would be nice to see there techniques exposed for what they are

[@ebig1969]

Ian Moody to be clear. I'm not saying Tissier is shite. I think that Tissier's Aikido is excellent. I'm just pointing out that he has said that he does not believe that many Aikido techniques are "sufficient" as a means for self-defense. That doesn't mean he is shite when he demonstrates traditional aikido movements. And yes, his ukes are highly trained in ukemi, and yes they are not resisting to save their bodies, and yes the traditional aspects of Aikido training do not always lend themselves to learning practical modern street defense, but that does not mean it's useless or shite. It just means that some of the training methods as a means for street defense is not a complete system or is not a perfect application. A joint lock is a joint lock. It works. The problem as Lenny points out is that the ushirotekubitori as an attack us very unrealistic. He's also pointing out that many of the movements for getting to a joint lock need to be more direct. I think that it is great what Lenny Sly is doing, but he is attempting to do it within the framework of Aikido technique. He's even pointing out that there is nothing wrong with traditional aikido unless your training goals are to just learn a complete physical means of self defense. These videos are great Lenny. Keep them coming.

[@misterprogressive8730]

Thank you for the replies. I have actually been to tissiers seminar and some of his students. And no, they dont work. One of his student michel erb addmitted in an interview that their aikido doesnt work. It is annoying when many teachers present aikido as martial arts but later say that it does not work. Therefore... please do show these esoteric gurus that aikido does work.

[@misterprogressive8730]

By the way, i go to tissier school while i am a very lazy aikidoka and that school is just right for me. Thanks!

[@sammasiello1582]

Ok. I’ll be the one to 50%disagree. You’re purposely stuffing your own techniques, but you are getting popular. Congrats. When he’s coming hard at your urging, you resist his motion which is not aiki waza

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Lol ok if you say so.

[@Naim-Bey]

Even Steven Seagal got choked out in front of Kevin heart by a judo guy. Aikido is so weak for real world attacks/combative. Kenpo, Kajukenbo, Sanuces Run jujitsu along with hung gar, silat & aspects of wing Chung are most effective for the streets. We laugh at aikido along with the kwon do. Bullshit arts for the kids & women. Urban Jujitsu is what I personally teach. A fusion of American Kenpo & Sho Bushido Ryu jujitsu. I combined to 2 Arts to create my own for these mean streets of Philly. Tried & tested in the real world. Very effective. My motto to my students for the past 17years has always been : quick as possible, hard as possible. Yes, we trying to hurt'em. They touch us, they must feel pain. Oooos

[@georgeschahine8654]

NAIM SALAHUDDIN aikido ain't no ground game buddy if ur on the ground ur in danger

[@Gking1971]

This is true to a point. AIKIDO, true aikido is irimi attemi. enter and destroy. everything else is what to do if something fails. as demonstrated. I get a little fed up with people with basic knowledge rubbishing another martial art. IT IS NOT BUSHIDO. (WAY OF THE WARRIOR) we study aikido not for short term gain but a long term understanding. So you created your own martial art. Good for you and as grand master I hope you pass on your 17 years of teaching. There are some people who have over double your time. myself included. so. show a little respect. After all we are all martial artists.

[@georgeschahine8654]

NAIM SALAHUDDIN and also steven is a judo black belt but the other one was the better one. If someone practises a martial art and got his ass whooped it doesn't mean that this martial art sucks and is useless everybody does that

[@Dragon749]

NAIM SALAHUDDIN It is not the martial art. Are you saying that aikijujitsu doesn't work?

[@Dragon749]

Ian Moody you do know that Aikido comes from Aikijujitsu right. You can laugh all you want. We laugh at you too. 😂😂😂😂😂