All-Around Adventure Bike Tires: Heidenau K60 Scout Review

[@C_R_O_M________]

It seems that they have addressed the “slippery when wet” issue by introducing a softer compound which they call the “wet and cold” version. I suppose it’ll get less mileage though.

[@robvannNS]

Love this tire ..great on gravel which I'm on most of the time. Best of all 16k on the back 27k on the front and still going strong..

[@MotoCampAdventure]

That's insane milage!

[@robvannNS]

Considering the best I was ever able to get from the oem Bridgestone trailwings was 6.5k for the back. 2 sets and I was done with them for good. This is now my third rear K60 Scout and find these these to be great tires for gravel which I ride about 60% of the time. A minor complaint is that at about 18k the front tire starts to make a little noise on pavement when cornering.. I should add that I weigh 168lbs and my gear which I take on about half of my trips is another 50lb.. Weight is a huge factor on tire wear.

[@wasoncethere6002]

Had the tkc80s on my first f800gs and like the grip but hated the tire life, tried the k60s on my next f800gs and actually loved them for everything except mud. Great tire IMO and I'll be getting a pair soon for Megatron.

[@MrMannymoe32]

Thank you for the review on the case 60 tire.

[@dallen8997]

After much review I went with the k60 scout on my f800gs the first reason why the high mileage I can get the second reason it is a 50/50 on off road Tire the third reason they're built like a tank One reviewer forgot to check his tire pressure after being off road road took it on the street home and realized he had only had five pounds of pressure and didn't even notice the side walls are beefy they can take a beating... thanks for the awesome review

[@audiogarden21]

Ever heard of a run-on sentence?

[@audiogarden21]

Grammar police? Would you prefer to read books without punctuation? Christ..

[@audiogarden21]

How is pointing out or referencing errors an insult? Did you find your teachers insulting for grading your papers? Not everything is meant to break someone down. Instead perhaps to build someone up? Maybe they don't realize they're making a mistake? Seems pretty unlikely in this case though since most people know what periods are if they're on the internet.

[@audiogarden21]

Fair enough. Enjoy your new tires and be safe out there. Especially in the wet.

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

Ah Bixby Bridge and Coast Road . Awesome place . Done the loop in my truck . Further down you can hit the Indians and camp off Naciemento Furguson Rd . Nice A zone hunting there also .

[@MotoCampAdventure]

I've camped out at Nacimiento Fergusson before. Really neat area in general. Good eye!

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

@@MotoCampAdventure How about that camp spot on the top of the mountain with Pacific Ocean views and that awesome ancient Bay Laurel tree that grows next to and out of that massive rock outcropping . I think skydivers take off on the flat spot just north of that camp site . We hunted up there 10 years ago and saw a mother mountain lion and her 2 almost grown cubs . I was certain I had left my camcorder back at camp but when we got back I found it in the back of the truck . I was so pissed . I would have had 5 minutes of slowly driving behind those 3 lions as they walked in front of us on the fire road . That I doubt will ever happen again for me unless I go to Africa . Can't wait to go back , although it's a little like Deliverance back there . Guns loaded 24/7 just to be sure .

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Ha, yeah I love that camp spot! Unfortunately there's so many people that know about it that it's become rather congested and scares all of the animals away, but oh man what a view! I've never seen a mountain lion in the wild like that. That must have been an unforgettable experience. I wonder if people can even hunt up there anymore because of how many people are on the roads there (myself included). I hope people still can.

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

@@MotoCampAdventure It's all A zone up there . First bow hunting then around August rifle season then back to bow around October I think . I remember on a still hunt in the morning watching the sunrise break from behind us ( we were spread out on the ridge covering two slopes facing west ) and seeing the sun make a sunbow on the fog layer a thousand feet below . We were at about 2200ft . That was awesome . Never saw any deer but saw just about everything else . I have to go back there and check it out . The fire a few years back probably changed its appearance . Driving through Fort Hunter Liggett we saw large herds of Elk real up close but they are off limits unless you win a tag through a random lottery . We saw some lucky hunters driving a jeep , they had an Elk tag . They didn't get one yet but it was only a matter of time . Man an Elk could feed a family for months . Unfortunately the way the world is heading we will be forced to eat genetically modified protein goo and hardwired into a neural lace matrix and the rest will be exterminated in FEMA Camps . Today no noticable Chemtrails , a real blue sky for once .

[@troybrowning839]

11,784 miles on my rear K60 right now and it's well squared off but I can probably safely get another 1,500 miles out of it before it needs to be changed. Great tire, but can confirm they're awful in the wet; either mud or wet pavement get downright terrifying at times, especially here in SoCal where it rains so infrequently that when it does rain it pulls all the accumulated oil to the surface.

[@WeisCarl2000]

Msn I switched from the tourance to the Mitas E-07 Dakar and have been nothing but pleased with both on/off dry and wet. I can touch peg with my Super Tenere 1200 and these things wear like iron.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

These are definitely my next set of tires to try out. I'm excited for this set of K60s to wear out so I can try a set of the Mitas E-07s. All of this recent wet weather in California has me on edge when I'm riding on the K60s.

[@RiccardoFiaccadorisGoProPOV]

Awesome video man! Thanks for this spots 👍

[@200xcBruce]

I have them on my 1200 and have yet to find slick in wet maybe pressure has a lot to do with that I am pleased.

[@TheTuxMaster]

Concerning K60 Scout, I wear out my front tire first, about 1500km. Then I always change both, the extra has never worn them out, 9000 - 13000km / year it usually gets. Love my 1150GS!

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Woah, that's weird! Usually most people get two rear tires to a front tire, regardless of what tire they're using. I wonder if they've changed the rubber compound on the front tires.

[@TheTuxMaster]

What do you mean by rain? Riding in thunder rain, there's half a inch of water on the road, no problem.

[@wolffo999]

K60's are amazing on my F800GS in Colorado conditions

[@mweskamppp]

I got myself on a wood way that looked dry on the surface but after 1cm I got 2 to 3inch silt or clay that totally clogged the profile. The back tire was spinning without grip until i lost momentum and fell on the side. 6 times... A full offroad tire would have probably cleaned itself. anyway was a nice exercise. I do ride them with 2.3bar and 2.8 bar. Feels like i have a bit more grip on the road.

[@andresdurstenfeld7364]

Can you tell me where your shop is? Thanks. Informative video.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

BMW Motorcycles of San Francisco and Moto Guild San Francisco. (I no longer work at SF BMW but they still sell these tires afaik)

[@chrissbanzai]

I ride Mitas e07 on xt1200z super tenere... they are great for 50/50 tires... even on wet roads they are nice! ONLY problem for me is sand. They are pretty loud after 2k but its no problem for me.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The lack of wet weather grip on pavement is a deal breaker. I'd pick something else. Sure, 90% of the time would be dry, but who wants to crash or poke along on the wet.

[@EscapePlan97]

very informative Video, thank you.

[@one-of-us9939]

Cool review bro. I live in Michigan... can you recommend a tire set that is good in the wet or muddy at times? Thx!

[@MotoCampAdventure]

If you're truly going to go in the mud often, I would recommend stepping up to a full knobby tire such as the TKC80 or the Shinko 804/805s. The problem is that as soon you do that, you're going to have even worse wet pavement traction. If you're still concerned with wet pavement traction but are willing to take a compromise in mud traction, the Mitas E-07 in my experience was a better tire than the K60. People seem to really like the Mitas E-07 +, which is a little more aggressive than the regular E-07. With that said, I pretty much trust no semi-knobby tire in the rain and ride like my motorcycle is a pickup truck rather than a sports car in the twisties.

[@one-of-us9939]

MotoCamp Adventure, thanks my friend. Your answer was very detailed, everyone who reads it can benefit from it! Especially me. Thanks again!

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Thank you for watching!

[@markgunnison]

Great review.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Thanks Mark!

[@Brakelateatmsn]

Odd, I went looking for a pair of Mitas E-07's for my R1200 GS/A and I was unable to find a 120 front or a 170 rear. I could only find 110 fronts and 150 rears. Not sure I want to step back two full sizes on the rear of this bike. Thankfully my current pair of Metzeler Tourance NEXT are holding up quite well, but are just too biased towards asphalt for my liking.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

The water cooled R1200GS changed stock tire size from 150/70/17 to 170/60/17 on the rear. I think Mitas might just make it for the older bikes as they are more common and therefore hold more of the market at the moment. I hope they make them for the newer bikes because they really are awesome so far.

[@motolover5697]

They've got them in WC dimensions, now.

[@edgarbleikur1929]

One of the guys at mototrek on a gs dropped back to 150 rear for better performance off road...

[@MrSidebiker]

Hi I can`t understand your opinion about wet performance. I´ve had this tyres on different Bikes and i have never had a better Wet and cold performance then on this tyres. 3 degreegs celsius heavy rain in the swiss alps and the pegs scraches the ground in every turn. What could be better?

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Woah, interesting. I wonder if they ship the tires with a harder compound for the US market? Did all bikes have traction control? I seem to have effortlessly lowsided my bike with these tires installed in the rain, and almost on a daily basis have my rear end kick out a little on me during the rain season here in the San Francisco bay area. I'm usually really good about easing on the throttle, too.

[@MrSidebiker]

MotoCamp Adventure No bike has had traktion control. I have had a Moto Guzzi Quota 1000 and a KTM 690 Enduro both perform nice with this Tyers in wet conitions! I don't believe in a other rubber for the US market. my tyers always reach a lot of Kilometers and I am not a slow driver.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

What size tires do those use? I know the tread patterns on the rear tire change with the different sizes, and that might be part of it.

[@MrSidebiker]

at the guzzi i have 130/80-17 the KTM 140/80-18 as rear tyers both bikes without the centerbar. At the front both bikes have 90/90-21. But I know a lot of drivers on Moto Guzzi Stelvio, 1200Gs 800Gs using the same tyers and they are all very pleased with them in wet conditions.

[@MrSidebiker]

Maby in Americ they are using really a different rubber compound as in europe. In germany most people get about 10000 km on their K60s and the most of them are pleased with the wet performance. In America some people talk about 20000 miles running. that is nearly 3 times longer. And they often tell, like you, about ugly wet riding. I don`t know what to think. But many thanks for the konversation :-)

[@volvogt21]

G'day mate. It seems looking at the comments your attitude to these tyres has changed. Any chance of sharing your thoughts and what you now prefer 4 years on?

[@MotoCampAdventure]

I haven't been stacking the miles like I used to, so I've been putting cheap shinko 804/805s on and they've actually performed pretty awesome in most conditions. Haven't tested them in mud because California has very little of that. They're excellent in the sand! I get about 4k miles out of a rear and at least 8+ out of a front. Some day I'll try some of the newer tires but I got pretty burnt out with making videos/reviewing tires for now. Hope that helps!

[@volvogt21]

@@MotoCampAdventure thanks for the reply. I've just done 4000km on tar and gravel on a set of k60 scouts. They were fantastic but have yet to ride in the rain. The 1150 gsa is a heavy beast with no rider aids so I am not looking forward to seeing how they go in the wet

[@roarman75]

Nice video but you can't call it the best video when you have not tested most of the tyres, for example the E-07. Personally i prefer E-07 especially with no problems in the wet. Also what is your experience on fixing punctures. The guys around me here battle with the K60 and a bit with the E07.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Hey Rory. Never claimed to have the best video. The E-07s, like I mentioned, are going to be my next set of tires as everyone I have talked to has claimed they are better in pretty much every aspect. I actually had a flat on my K60 rear recently and plugged with while on a ride. From what I could see, nothing punctured the tire but I still had a hole on the side of one of the knobs. I'm always learning, and I don't want to convey the idea that I know everything and what is best for everyone.

[@motoken]

MotoCamp Adventure he read best on the title...he read it wrong... I'm thinking of the Dunlop trailsmart for mine. I'm more on road than not

[@kirkwd8829]

Where is your dealership? San Jose? Monterey? Asking due to being in Santa Cruz. Looking at these three tires for adventure 50/50 type tires: Mitas E-07, Heidenau K60, and the Mefo Explorer 99. Thank you you for thoughts, as they are greatly appreciated and valued.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

San Francisco. Not sure if they're selling the Mitas E-07. I would skip the K60s altogether. They're really not as good as they used to be as better tires have come out and the 170 rears for the water cooled GS's get low mileage now. Haven't tried the Mefos yet. Based on the looks alone (which should be completely taken with a grain of salt), they look like they would perform similar to the Mitas assuming they have a similar rubber compound. I'm not even sure if I would recommend the Mitas E-07 at this point because so many people I know personally were having leaking problems, including myself. At some point the front tire on my bike was losing 4 PSI a day. Also people have been reporting lower mileage recently with the Mitas E-07s so not sure what gives. If you want a "full knobby" tire, the Shinko 804/805s have been great for me and cost very little. Just need to scrub them in and then they're great for off road. On road and highway isn't as good of course. The Shinko 704/705s are also a decent option for the price. I had great luck with mine.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

I have the mefo super explorers on my Honda AT. Love them! 800 km , only 40-50% worn. But now 150/18 seems discontinued! (Pissed off) Will try Motoz gps and put some extra grooves in the center block with a tire grooving tool for wet riding.

[@richardvalitalo3670]

8000 km not 800.

[@stephtraveler7378]

Mitas is "mee-toss" not Mite-us. Great review. Thanks.

[@motorcyclist_adventure5594]

Hey, what you can tell about new tyres from Brand new Tenere 700? I mean this model: Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Hi Patryk! Unfortunately I have not used the Pirelli Scorpions yet so I cannot say how they perform. I will look into potentially getting those in the future.

[@motoken]

This tire is on all the R1200GS's at the store hahahaha! it will be my tire as well if when I eventually get my enduro bike.

[@TheMarky26]

Heidenau k60 or avon trekrider? I know im not going too get as many miles with the treckrider but i think the handling in the rain is a lot better..Any opinions on the matter?

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Avon Trekrider all day. In fact since making this video, I've learned just how bad the K60s are. K60s are downright dangerous in the rain.

[@TheMarky26]

@@MotoCampAdventure perfect i was thinking that in my mind..You just confirmed it for me..

[@TheMarky26]

@@MotoCampAdventure there are not a lot of reviews out there on the trekrider..That made me kind of nervous about picking some up.Everything I've seen though looks generally positive..

[@MotoCampAdventure]

@@TheMarky26 I think you'll like them. I've heard good things from people I personally know and trust.

[@dmorgan724]

Its a damn shame the manufacture doesnt get off their ass and make some more of these and better still ... gettin em to dealers shelves!! Please and Thank you

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Honestly, as much as this was a glowing review I would look at other tires anyway. I've been having pretty good luck with the Shinko 804/805s if you're looking for a full knobby, and the Mitas E-07s are much better than the K60s (when they don't leak). I've heard really good things about the Shinko 704/705s, and can attest to the TKC70s being nearly sport bike tires with dirt capability. Hopefully one of those are a good option in terms of the compromise you would like of dirt to road capabilities.

[@jeffferguson899]

a better choice than the k60's is a motoz tractionator gps

[@dh-flies]

What are your thoughts on mixing brands from rear to front? I just got the K60 for my rear and a Conti TKC80 for the front on my 1290 SA. I decided this route after reading many reviews and it seemed almost unanimously that the K60 up front was not a great choice but "The Choice" in the rear. I know you're not supposed to mix up tires on a car...But on a bike? Great review.

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Thanks man. I know a few riders who mix TKC80s in the front and Mitas E-07s or K60s in the rear. It's doable, but from a safety standpoint not advisable. The guys who do it usually know not to push their limits on the road. The different tread patterns aren't really designed to work together, but like all things in motorcycling, as long as you know the limitations and ride within them you should be fine.

[@DRFOX55]

I had the K60 Rear on my GS LC and the TKC 80 upfront for offload...very happy.

[@dh-flies]

Scotty Have you done any sand riding in those tires? And how did they perform in mud? And lastly, did you notice anything weird at hwy speeds?

[@MotoCampAdventure]

For what it's worth, the K60 rear turns into a slick in mud.

[@DRFOX55]

K-Man, I have done deep sand riding and mud with the TKC front and Heidy's on back..Sand,-much better with this combo. Mud is fair with Heidys on back. Mud isnt easy whith these heavy bikes but i was impressed on both fronts. The best combination is TKC ALL around but the rear burned too fast for long term usage. If you know you only need 3k miles, TKC font and rear.

[@Porsche996driver]

Dude has the Scouts way over-inflated. These want to be more around 32 not 40 lol. The tires have a tough sidewall to protect the tires. Peace all! 🇺🇦🏔

[@MotoCampAdventure]

cool

[@r12rtpilot]

Looks like my driveway at 5:06

[@scottk.8494]

I was considering these, E07, and 804/805 bit I think I want to give Avon Trekriders. So far I've read nothing but good about these on and off road. It sounds like they have great grip on wet or drive pavement.

[@MrBoxer1200]

Right!

[@Legalves1]

60/5000 Hello you could comment on this tire in the rain! thank you

[@Steve-yu6pq]

Big Sur!

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Yes sir!

[@sosna997ok]

przednia opona założona w złym kierunku / the front tire is in the wrong direction

[@vplph]

Ride Like your grandmother would in the wet.... Imagine your grandmother being Michèle Mouton ! 😵

[@cracotator]

Got an accident on wet tarmac because of these tires...never again !

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Same, unfortunately, but I was riding like a complete idiot at the time. If it weren't for the wet weather traction I would still consider running these tires.

[@cracotator]

MotoCamp Adventure so what would be your favorite adventure tire ?

[@yessure5291]

Because of the tires? Or because you were going too fast?

[@beetleything1864]

Useless then as it rains on the West coast of NA.

[@undertakermoto4946]

On wet is the worst tyre ever, be careful

[@MotoCampAdventure]

Very much agree with this statement. I have not used a worse tire in the wet than this tire. My review doesn't exactly reflect how I feel about this tire after using many other semi-knobby and full-knobby tires.

[@Kaufeetimevideo]

Considering your speech pattern you might try a career as an auctioneer.