The South's Plan To Conquer the Caribbean (And If It Happened)

[@jerry3790]

The South wanted to go South. Why am I not surprised?

[@Brickiplier]

lol nice pun the north go north to anix british canada in that universe

[@briandiehl9257]

But their plans went south

[@forgetful9845]

@@briandiehl9257 BA DUM TSS

[@molexi6537]

"From the south, to southern south"

[@wargriffin5]

To win against the North, you must BECOME the North. ;)

[@kasinokaiser1319]

The greatest obstacle to the Golden Circle wasn't the Union *it's Vanderbilt*

[@thetexangamer8383]

what was the unions circle?

[@timesnewlogan2032]

@@thetexangamer8383 Canada.

[@jbwilk511]

"France invaded Mexico while the U.S. was busy hitting itself".....nice

[@Defectum138]

I absolutely loves this part of the video

[@Kez_DXX]

I imagine in this scenario the CSA would try to ally itself with Brazil

[@Rex2p0_]

Bruh?

[@Ryan_Gosling3465]

Dom Pedro II won't allay to the south

[@efxnews4776]

@@Ryan_Gosling3465 Errr... Theres this city in São Paulo called Americana that says otherwise....

[@murilofurlan3479]

@@efxnews4776 Dar abrigo é diferente de se aliar.

[@tucan9111]

They would try, but at the end of the empire and so many agricultural conflict going on inside the country already I dont think it would be viable or profitable

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

World of Warships: Hey, so we'd like you to be an ambassador for our product- Cody: I'm going to link you to the Confederate American South! World of Warships: ...Not exactly what we had in mind... Cody: Too late! Already made the video! Thank you so much for the sponsorship!

[@NimhLabs]

World of Warships: I wonder if we could get a deal with that Unfinished London guy and not have our ad be something weird? Wait... or maybe that Internet Etiquette guy--there is no way we could be turned into some weird Nobbleberry spin off.

[@s0urcl0ut]

@BLiTZ Galaga only if you like your nations to win their founder's war lol

[@johnericedwards6495]

@BLiTZ Galaga, if our treacherous government hadn't "settled" with the yankees over the Trent Incedent, the British people, & more importantly, the Royal Navy were ready & willing to support the Confederacy against Yankee Aggression.

[@RaidsEpicly]

@@johnericedwards6495 That might have been a bit of a hard sell to the British public considering that the abolition of slavery was kind of a pet project of GBs at the time.

[@rickers1815]

British public opinion was actually very divided on the Confederacy. Generally the upper class were more likely to have a favourable view of the South, while support for the South was a minority position for those in middle or lower classes. This can be seen in a study of papers of the time. Those aimed at the upper class, such as The Times, were generally pro-South, but those like the Morning Star and Daily News that were aimed at readers in middle and lower classes, were generally pro-Union. Britain was unlikely to enter the war because the loss of Canada was a practical certainty, and the cost far outweighed any benefits (UK could and did sell to both sides). Both UK and France had substantial stockpiles of cotton at the start of the war, which is why the cotton embargo the South instituted at the outbreak of war actually hurt the South diplomatically and financially rather than encouraging intervention by the European powers. UK also started to try and mitigate the impact by encouraging cotton growth in Egypt and India. It was not until the latter years of the war that cotton shortages started to bite, and by that stage most could see the writing on the wall for the South.

[@Corium1]

Alternate title: What If The South Was Even More South?

[@greenmountainhistory7335]

It’s like the south but southier

[@carvocarlos3594]

Pretty good title

[@carvocarlos3594]

@@Whatareyoudoinnhere I think you are too north to understand us southerners

[@Corium1]

New Justice maybe watch the video.

[@ajorsomething4935]

It's the south but more southern.

[@condor-yz6bo]

I can't stop laughing at his unacknowledged self plug of his book.

[@jeffreywacker3598]

Damn, I must've missed it lol.

[@mrmacguff1n]

It's the best type

[@DavidBromage]

Here's a scenario for you. Suppose the British occupation of the Hawaiian Islands in 1843 hadn't been opposed by the US and France and it became part of the British Empire. What does an alternate WW2 look like if Hawaii (and probably Midway) are a British colony rather than United States territory?

[@TheHistoricalLine]

4 Years Late Sorry 😐 Britain declares war on the Japanese Empire (If they hadn’t already), but if the Japanese are trying to attack the US I guess they’d attack some other US Pacific Territory, well maybe they don’t get the territories out there cause of the civil war. i dunno. Maybe they attack a U.S. ship? If Britain went to war with Japan it would probably wouldn’t be fought much. They are just quite far apart. Probably from Hawaii and their other Pacific bases I can imagine a British-Japanese Naval Battle similar to the ones of the US and Japan in our timeline, and maybe Japan and the Us would engage in naval battle, perhaps though with large Us defeat, probably cause they’d have a smaller navy and overall military and be a bit poorer for decades after the American Civil War

[@captainredbeard261]

"it's warm in the south, I'm sure we have a ton of ariable land, and I'm sure Malaria and Hookworm won't be a probelm at all."

[@FriedrichBarb]

* *Looks at Golden Circle flag* * * *Begins ranting in European Union* *

[@aaronkitzmann9419]

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the Golden circle never had a flag. Nor did Cody make one for this video. The flag depicted was one of the many flags the Confederate government officially adopted as the supposed nation’s official flag. The more famous saltine design was only officially adopted by Robert E. Lee’s army of northern Virginia, but never the pseudo nation as a whole. Look up CPG grey’s “not the confederate flag” video for more info on that. Sorry to come off as one of those “um actually” people.

[@khameriengibson8834]

delete that comment. just do it, you "umm actuallyyy" dude. also, r/woosh

[@LoydAvenheart]

well excuse me but the EU copied their design off the Betsy Ross flag.

[@brandadyanne]

Kilroy..... I got what you were trying to say.

[@TheArklyte]

You know what they say about scenarios like for example Nazi Germany winning WWII: It's easy, barely an inconvenience! You just need to do a few simple things: 1)do not take part in WWII; 2)do not be Nazi Germany. That's all. And here's the same thing... The CSA can't lose if it's not CSA and not fighting with USA to begin with. Let go of the slavery(to get popular support in Europe), restructure your agriculture away from such hard cotton focus(to make up for lack of slaves and to produce food for yourself), something the South lacked ironically), become french and british puppet in dealing first with Mexico and then with dismantling spanish empire in central and south america by proxy. Industrial capacity is covered by your two patrons. Without suicidal attack on USA you'd have around two decades before they'd attack anyway. Enough to restructure and reform this shell of a country, finish conquering said countries, move capital and even build Nicaragua Canal. Still very much impossible, but answers the question of: what about Civil War?

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

What if the West Indies Federation was tried again? What if the Caribbean was unified?

[@battlepig1014]

Did someone say Kaisereich?

[@thegunslinger8806]

Okay but no Cuban empire, I don't want to be Fidel's bitch.

[@ligertear3333]

What if the Cool Sunglasses leader of Cuba won world war 1?!?!?!?!?!?

Avery Lopez-Baines Ramón E. Bertances’ dream. I could imagine the Antillean Federation as a naval power and financial hub of the Western Hemisphere. If only that unity existed amongst the larger states.🇧🇸🇨🇺🇯🇲(🇭🇹🇩🇴)🇵🇷

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

It would be the Caribean Empire/Imperio de los Caribes

[@nickhueper2906]

Only the CSA can perfect the Bay of Pigs Invasion

[@patrickgrey10]

isaac zerke Lol

[@johnericedwards6495]

Only JFK could fuck it up.

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

@@johnericedwards6495 Only George Wallace can fuck up the Cuban Missile Crisis :P

[@johnericedwards6495]

@@Urlocallordandsavior, l thought the Cuban Missile Crisis worked out OK. The reds backed down despite our annoying treacherous politicians.

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

@@johnericedwards6495 A more, aggressive, president than JFK, such as, I don't know? Wallace, even Reagan, could've taken us into WW3 with Cuba. I mean, even Eisenhower, another good president, fucked up with his mishandling of the U2 incident with the Soviets, by being too honest, same with JFK.

[@QueenFondue]

Funny, I imagine that the Golden Circle might have a civil war of its own not long after ours.

[@thegodofbob]

Sounds about correctly accurately right

[@megareavermickeybot7985]

indeed

[@holy_crusaderoftheholyland4713]

XD

[@macaroon_nuggets8008]

In that timeline, a civil war (Britian vs US) creates a country that falls into Civil War (US vs CSA) that create a country that falls into civil war.

[@twinzzlers]

@@macaroon_nuggets8008 Sounds like China

[@lordofdarkdudes]

Csa: Hello hati were gonna bring slavery back! Hatians: aigth, let me just set my musket from Frenchy killing to 'murrica killing

[@jamaicanball6285]

*laughs in Jamaica*

[@deshawnblake5594]

@@jamaicanball6285 ayo bro we from the same country?

[@kentuckyfriededgar]

And know Haiti is the poorest country of the Americas. Good Job!

[@sircoloniser5454]

Ehh, most Haitians lived in basically slavery for over a century after independence doubt this would change as much as people think it would

[@marcoa.2912]

​@@kentuckyfriededgarbro, haitians only had two options: revolt or getting overworked to death. It's sad what came after but there was no other way.

[@JeffreyDeCristofaro]

Interestingly enough, 10K-20K members of the Confederacy actually did flee to South America - most specifically, Brazil - following their defeat by the Union. The colony formed by the Confederate refugees was called, not surprisingly, Americana. There's even an annual festival still held there called Festa Confederada (Confederate Party) held in Santa Barbara d'Oeste, commemorating the colony. So here's a AHH scenario - what if the Confederacy was actually resurrected with full force in South America starting in Brazil with help from the Portuguese? What if they actually staged an invasion to take back the Southern States from the Union - along with some Midwest Territories - starting with acquisition of certain territories in South and Central America, and even ports on several uninhabited Caribbean isles - with some negotiating over which parts the Portuguese would be given in exchange for their aid - before the 19th century came to an end, what would be the outcome, and would it really make that much of an impact on history as we know it?

[@twinzzlers]

They'd get slaughtered

[@merijevons]

Zero chance. Brazil had an exotic diplomatic behavior on the continent. Although it was far from being a power (in any sense), and even it was a vast slaveholding nation, the Brazilian diplomatic ideal was almost a replica of the British one in relation to Europe: splendid isolation. Brazil only interfered to prevent disorder and imbalance in South America (particularly frequent in Argentina and Uruguay). Although they were cousins, and himself an inveterate Francophile, Pedro II never officially recognized Maximilian's government in Mexico (preferring to wait for the outcome of the situation), and the Empire of Brazil never even considered possibility of recognizing the CSA (for the same reason). Brazil welcomed CSA refugees first on a humanitarian principle, and secondly, because of the "whitening" policy adopted at the time, in accordance with prevailing racial theories. Although a slaveholder state, Brazil never adopted policies of racial segregation characteristic of the Anglo-Saxon states, and never conditioned the franchise of civil rights based on race. There is no point in speaking in "Portuguese" in this situation. Brazil had been separated from Portugal for half a century, and increasingly distant from its former metropolis. Although nominally an empire, it has always lacked an expansionist and universalist ambition - even forfeiting numerous opportunities to do so, such as Angola, Togo, Dahomey, Paraguay and Charcas.

[@fucku432]

You know, I think next video's topic should be: What if Mexico won the Mexican Americain War.

[@TheMmorelGT]

Then another war would happen, and eventually Mexico would loose, the country was so unstable to held such an army, however if somehow Mexico was able to organize itself and get decent weapons to fight back, the northern territories would still be full of Americans, so revolutions will still occur, and they would eventually become independent, leading to eventual annexation to the USA, or to become independent countries, although Mexico probably would be bigger than it is today, that's for sure

[@aaronkitzmann9419]

True they would probably have kept most of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and kept a good chunk of Southern California.

[@death299]

they couldn't have. but their plan was to retake texas and move upwards through the south encouraging slave revolts that would've ideally done most of the fighting for their forces so pushed forward..with growing instability in the homeland that inevitably forces the army home, with the american government feeding the secessionists arms in exchange for land if/when they win with the U.S army marching from the north while in the south you're dealing with a civil war the reality is though that mexico put up what resistance it could and lost, the U.S army on the other hand while taking alot of losses was nowhere near a limping dog mexico was plagued by secessionists and elites undermining unity even if they got their hands on top of the line gear the nation was falling apart at the seams, it would've postponed abit but ultimately still been a loss mexico was already a wounded mutt in no shape for a fight

[@libertarianwhohatesdemsand5741]

Impossible.

[@doesntmatter8873]

I'd say the next episode should be basic spelling and grammar. Where exactly is americain

[@MonsieurDean]

I'll see your Golden Circle and raise you one War Of Northern Secession.

[@jasonssavitt5297]

Freedom Time slaver swine

[@Liam-iv7wk]

Monsieur Z is that you!?

[@danielbickford3458]

Cody did it better

[@StationaryGamingReal]

The *real* alt history hub

[@cantthinkofaname812]

Oh go

[@bootdude7527]

South's plan: Go south General Lee: hold my iced tea.

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

"Where you wanna go" -Deep south! "Thats what i like to hear!"

[@SteezyRedStars]

The Caribbean & Central America: Hold my rum

[@TheBrothersBlue]

*sweet tea

[@johnericedwards6495]

@EmeraldWarhawk, the Caribbean involves the British. After defeating the yanks alongside the CSA we'll be drinking gin & tonic in Havana and Earl Grey in Philadelphia.😂😂😂

[@johnericedwards6495]

@Rafael Lopez, I think only the French failed because they allowed their slaves to take over Haiti. It wasn't a competition between the British, Dutch, French and Spanish to take over The Caribbean, we were always at war with each other all over the world especially the French.

[@FLABrowncoat]

I love how your channel and your videos explain how nothing in history has a single root cause, but is the result of a variety of interconnected factors. It helps us all better understand the true nature of our shared history.

[@thebepsusdog9227]

Also, Walker not only installed his government in Nicaragua, but also created 1 (or 2, I'm not sure) other nations: The republic of Baja California (and the republic of Sonora). If I remember correctly, he just crossed the border into Baja, planted a flag, and claimed independence. Later, that Baja republic was annexed to the Sonora republic, which later was reannexed back to Mexico.

[@CoconutRouter]

As a black guy living in the Caribbean, imma just say thank God this didn't happen lol.

[@mr.m1garand254]

@@Valk369 they would have won if the french won the war against Mexico fast enough. The french left after the civil war was over cause American guns and ammo were flooding into Mexico to fight the french as well as civil war veterans. And thank god for that

[@noybnoyb356]

I notice he does not touch that subject on how the Confederate states would have dealt with the Black Caribbean population. Personally, I don't think it would have went well for the Confederates.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Would california be independent?

[@tacoguy764]

@@mr.m1garand254 If the French had won the Battle of Puebla (5 de Mayo) they would have supported the CSA, that's why 5 de mayo is so important, it delayed the war for 1 year, and 1 year in 1860s north america would have changed history

[@johnhenry4844]

Bruh the CSA army would have all died of yellow fever within a week

[@Mortebianca]

Hey bro, great fan from Italy, bought your book too :D Just wanted to say great video!

[@pavelmachytka5604]

60 LIKES

[@aidynsbestyoutubemoments]

What book he has a book? Where do I get it

[@Xpwnxage]

Why does he never advertise his book

[@leomarsala5905]

@@Xpwnxage His Charictar is litterly holding it

[@jomurico89]

Hey! Great video but I think there are some things that were not stated correctly. William Walker was born in Tenessee. I don't think stating that filibusters just took over a failed nation in Central American. As you might guess it is more complicated. He arrived in Nicaragua invited by one of two sides embroiled in a Civil War (if this makes Nicaragua a failed nation then so was the US a couple of years later) to shift the balance of the war, which he did but also took power over the country. Also Central American countries had more agency than just sitting on the sidelines while Vanderbilt kicked Walker out. Walker attempted to invade Costa Rica but was repelled and was eventually defeated by a Central American coalition army. The filibuster efforts did not fail only because of Vanderbilt but because the other Central American countries saw him coming for the rest and modernized their armies (CR even hired Prussian military instructors). They also organized a campaign to de-legitimize his regime in London, Paris and South America and secured funding for their military upgrades. Vanderbilt obviously helped but it was not all down to him only. Sorry for the long comment but I am stuck in my commute and thought this very US- centric perspective was too inaccurate. Anyway have a nice day.

[@TheAfroMenace]

So, The Greater South American Co-Prosperity Sphere?

[@RaidsEpicly]

With results similarly horrific as a Japanese victory in ww2, even!

[@RMSTitanicWSL]

@@RaidsEpicly Very likely

[@philidox]

The South would have had a tough time trying to conquer Haiti, just ask the French.

[@get6149]

I mean the french has one huge downside they are french

[@HWEspana]

Unlikely considering how close the US they would've pulled it off, especially considering how weak Haiti was

[@hainleysimpson1507]

And they sure as hell wouldn't have Jamaica the most rebellious island in the New World.

[@kingofflamingos4344]

@@hainleysimpson1507 and it wa still a British colony back then so an obvious no go for them.

[@hppern3971]

@@hainleysimpson1507 they wouldn't have had Jamaica - the British controlled it, & the CSA's friendliest nations are likely the UK & France. Everything still owned by a European nation is off the table (maybe not the Danish Virgin Islands, which the US historically bought). The actual planned conquests would be the independent nations (which was just Haiti & the Dominican Republic - which fun fact, President Grant wanted to buy but was too unpopular with Congress & plagued by corruption scandals to go ahead with it) & maybe a victory against the Spanish for Cuba & Puerto Rico.

[@ShneekeyTheLost]

Here's one for ya: What if Vinland (Nordic colony in Newfundland) actually succeeded and established itself hundreds of years before Columbus's trek, and getting a leg up on establishing colonies along the eastern seaboard before France or Britain or Spain ever even realized there was any real estate worth having

[@Akuarob]

*Jamaica and Haiti sweat nervously*

[@LordPeachew]

More like sharpening their machetes

[@4thHorsemam]

Haiti would buttrape them like they did the French

[@Koden]

I think at this time it was squarely owned by the United Kingdom, they wouldn't want to pick that fight.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodpl9761]

@@4thHorsemam depends on the leadership of Haiti.

[@suddenstorm8]

Jamaica was owned by Britain and a war against them in the 1800's would be super no bueno for the south since the British (or French) could single handedly destroy the south's economy with their navies. Haiti however would not be so safe.

[@redblaze8700]

Havana uh na na Confederate Capitol is in Havana uh na na

[@jmmip202]

They moved it all the way from Virginia oo na na

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

Don't tell them but their ultimate goal was endless vacation in Varadero and other beautiful beaches, and get some tan

[@samstrange1543]

Some about east Atlanta nah nah nah

[@recordstore2265]

South couldn't win

[@redblaze8700]

@@recordstore2265 Wars are never won on paper only.

[@MrTekKnowledge]

The Confederate interactions with Haiti would be interesting in this scenario.

[@viceregentofducanada9384]

Haven’t watched this channel in a while, but god I forgot the quality that goes into these videos. I’ve missed you, Cody.

[@JOMASCR17]

Walker got destroyed when he entered Costa Rica, that's why Nicaragua was the only state he held

[@legoboyguy]

JOMASCR17 that is true he attacked Costa Rica and his army was defeated. Than the coalition army of Honduras and Guatemala finished the job at the capital.

[@JOMASCR17]

@EzECris 305 political stability I guess?

[@macdeus2601]

@ᴇᴢᴇᴄʀɪs 305 I'm sure the answer to that is complicated. It's not just Nicaragua, though. When I lived in Honduras from 2013-15, Costa Rica had a reputation among most Hondurans I knew as basically "the one country in Central America that actually has its shit together." Costa Rica's economy is much stronger, its crime rates are much lower, its government is more stable and less corrupt, etc. than any of the "CA-4" countries. (Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.) Or at least that's what I heard. What I do know is that Costa Rica has a long history of being standoffish toward the rest of the region, and was the first area to secede from the short-lived Republic of Central America (an initial attempt to unite the whole region between Mexico and Panama into a single nation-state, except for Belize because it was a British territory at the time and did not become an independent country until the 1980's), which ultimately led to the total collapse of the Republic and the creation of the political map of the region that exists now. Maybe that's part of the reason--an isolationist tendency that has kept them from getting sucked into the various crises plaguing all the countries around them, kinda like Switzerland has done in Europe. I think there's also been a lot less meddling in Costa Rican politics by foreign countries (especially the USA), which has been a near-constant problem throughout the whole history of every other Central American country. E.g. the term "banana republic" originated in Honduras, apparently, and it originally referred to the corruption and instability created by US-based agricultural corporations (most infamously the United Fruit Company, now known as Chiquita) constantly bribing Central American government officials and instigating civil wars when the bribes didn't get them what they wanted. If there's a history of that in Costa Rica, I haven't heard of it, so if there isn't then maybe that's part of the reason they've managed to maintain more stability and avoid the violent chaos (or at least keep it to a minimum) that's otherwise been so common in the other Central American countries.

[@Whiteeeco]

@@macdeus2601 That last part is what I came here to say. Costa Rica is lucky in that the US hasn't fucked with them over and over again, unlike say, Honduras, who has to go through coup after american backed coup

[@thewarriorofdubstep]

@@macdeus2601 Costa Rica definitely does not have a stronger economy than Guatemala or Panama and the part where you said where they are standoffish against other Central American states is more like them wanting to be different, not so much being able to fight them obviously due to the fact they have no military the only reason why Costa Rica has gotten a better rep than other Central American states is because instead of them putting up a fight against American imperialist corporations they bent a knee and struck deals and didn't resist!!!*

[@ThomasTHEONEANDONLY]

The South: *Succeeds* This enraged the North, who punished them severely.

[@theofficialkahuniyoutubeac2253]

Oh shit why do I remember that

[@Jackholiday1025]

The south had the better fighters. if the union didn’t have such massive advantages in numbers and resources the conferates would have won. I’m glad that didn’t happen though of course.

[@killertaco8themaster773]

@@Jackholiday1025 im not

[@jjizzle6923]

@killertaco8 the master is subbed to bearing and prager U so of course he likes the csa

[@eightdrop1089]

@@Jackholiday1025 no, both had bad fighters, just the north had generals that were sitting on their asses until 1863

[@darknightx33x81]

This situation, as you mentioned is highly unlikely. Just taking Cuba and fighting in Mexico would require more men on top of the civil war they just fought. You're right in that trying to hold all those different cultures together. It would be interesting to see them try to integrate all those cultures.

[@Mike01029]

Maximiliano wouldn't have agreed with the Confederacy because he was extremely liberal/progressive at the time, which conflicted with the conservative Mexican loyalists

[@aarongreen27yearsago96]

In Joey's Jamaican accent: "the South will rise again, man"

[@josemiguelfernandez8103]

How about what if maximilian had stayed in power?

[@grandinquisitor8335]

@Tall Jakee I believe that Maximilian though could have at least combated poverty more than The republic did But than again his supporters wanted to keep the Mexican peasants in poverty Maximilian I think was the only leader of mexico that cared for the Mexican people

[@alejandromendez488]

They would start speaking French instead of Spanish then lol

[@johanpacheco22]

@@grandinquisitor8335 que tan menso estas mijo? Que chingados te hace creer que un pais recientemente invadido por dos naciones imperialistas te hace creer que aceptaria asi nada mas a un extranjero impuesto sobre la nacion por ser "realeza"

[@el_bizcocho6916]

@Sakkra101 dude first off Mexicans hate monarchy’s yeah Maximillian fell in love with the country but he still had the European ideology of a king that shit we don’t like here in Mexico

[@SpanishDio]

Basically the CSA wanted to be New Spain again.

[@itaybron]

land south of the Confederacy: *exists* Confederacy: it's free real estate

[@recordstore2265]

First a couple pale can't fight a two front war with slave revolution and a bunch of country that has more resources

[@MrXuliest]

@@recordstore2265 yeah it could actually.

[@16ktsgamma]

I think Mexico would take it's land back.

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Consequences? *The south becomes Catholic and get their first pope in 1900, Cleburne the first*

[@benjaminjackboot6409]

Amazing plot-twist

[@johanne8260]

@EmperorJuliusCaesar just because you hate a religion, that doesn't make them a cult

[@johanne8260]

@EmperorJuliusCaesar 1st there are people that convert into that religion other than being born into it 2nd yes, there are differences between cults and religions, just because you don't like a religion, that doesn't make it a cult 3rd that has started as a cult, that doesn't mean is still a cult, religions evolve 4th i don't know what are you refering by saying this: There's a reason they're not allowed in court....because everyone knows it's bs... if you think any of what you said debunked my way of thinking you are wrong

[@neilc.8368]

What if the Phoenicians discovered the Americas?

[@peterk.9571]

Probably it ends like the Norse.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

They might have. Phoenicians who made such a trip would have been (or were) traders, not conquerors. Unless they walk into a city with lots of gold, it it is not obvious that it is worth the trip, compared to just hugging the African coast down south where there is gold and ivory to trade for.

[@RocketWeaponsGuy]

Two words: *They Can't*

[@noybnoyb356]

I think they or the Israelites did. Check out this link that describes an artifact they found written in paleo-Hebrew / phoenician writing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5urq3Wnfs98bq8

[@nmckitt4328]

What if the home rule crisis in Ireland plunged britain into a civil war just before ww1 happened?

[@jackd5089]

Yes or if Micheal Collins never signed the treaty that divide the land

[@BoldOne8760]

Well Britain wouldn't have war but Ireland would. The Ulster Volunteers and Irish Volunteers would fight each other throughout the war while Britain sends a few troops to sort it out (not enough). Ireland would be a bloodbath but Britain has priorities in Europe and would ignore it. Because of this the home rule movement would disappear and be replaced with the Republican movement which would result in the war of independence starting in late WW1. This could see German support for the Republicans and a new front in the war. The central powers would still fail and the war of independence would go just like real life.

[@samilizarov9132]

What if the Scandinavian countries had mor colonies

[@byzantinemapper6145]

They need Vinland to survive as a colony

[@flamethrowerproductions123]

What if the Silver Legion took over and USA was fascist during WW2 Simplified: What if the USA joined the Axis?

[@TheRezro]

Fun fact.. England almost did that. Gladly for them they were capable to remove "Nazi" King Edward VIII using fact that he attempt to marry women outside nobility. They made few romantic movies about that.. lol.

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

Soo... an ideal playthrough of HOIV?

[@vinndolyn5976]

Gay

[@ahmedrazick4946]

I have been trying to play that scenario but the fascists always lose the 2nd American Civil War.

[@arachnonixon]

then we could've defeated the true enemy, & the world presumably would have become a much better place

[@amongme1251]

Confederate's plan was to going further south because of the Golden Circle, while the Union expands itself further north to Canada during WW1. The Union that expands to Canada during the Great War is actually a reference to Harry Turtledove's Southern Victory Lore.

[@geofff.3343]

To be fair, Havana would be a GORGEOUS capital city.

[@wendymu5507]

What if China starts colonizing before the Europeans

[@wariodude128]

I think you mean any Asian country. Remember: Japan and Korea had naval forces too. Still, good question.

[@maxmustermann4149]

@@wariodude128 well, maybe even Siberia, Inner Mongolia, Central Asia...

[@696190]

given the last few centuries of the Chinese empire were dotted with peasant rebellions, its safe to say any colonies would have been short-lived. worst case scenario, they actually cause the Empire to collapse sooner. how would China return to being a powerful nation after that I dont know, my knowledge of Chinese history doesnt allow me to predict that

[@HaydenLau.]

@@696190 Or, the colonies would split off into a separate nation as China goes through yet another (not always peasant) revolution.

[@TheRezro]

​@@696190 That is the thing. China didn't fail because it didn't colonize. China didn't colonize for same reason it did failed. Chinese Emperors at the time were convinced that they are greatest nation on the world full of barbarian, what can't offer it anything. It is why they exploration effort (what is important part here) was canceled and that why peasants rebellions happened. Even when technologically superior ships of British Empire arrived, Chinese capital treat them like shit punishing low rank officers who did see that fact and try react accordingly. So when British couldn't get what they want (tea) they start be aggressive even if after costly subjugation of India they didn't have money and patience for conquest anymore. They were forced to do so anyway. If China would continue exploration, they would encounter other empires beforehand and if they would stay open minded and adopt foreign tech like Japan, what has western firearms and English naval adviser, who was ironically one who convinced Tokugawa to kick out Spanish missionaries attempting to use they standard religious conquest tactic (before they close country, what was obvious mistake) they in fact could stay greatest empire on the earth. Adaptability is what in fact create Empires, not subjugation. Same rule was true also in case of Roman Empire what in fact "steal" most of they brilliant technology, which they were capable to use it in accumulated way.

[@ringostarrfann3390]

What if Alexander the Great didn't die young?

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

I read that Alexander wanted to conquer the Italian peninsula so Rome's history get changed.

[@samilizarov9132]

He already made that video

[@backtothefutureman1]

@Sam Ilizarov no that was monsieur Z.

[@TheArklyte]

He'd find out China was a thing... and died from understanding his own insignificance:D

[@johanreillo8403]

He would’ve die old

[@block2533]

9/10 alternate history fans think this vid deserves a special golden circle

[@joshpenover3610]

Your production value has gotten so much better

[@Chactemal]

The history part of his videos,not so much. This video is full of errors when talking about Mexico and Cuba

[@j.g.s.b9994]

As a Central American, i have always heard about the deposition of Alan Walker from Nicaragua as the great tale of unity, a tale of how together the Central American were strong, a tale of how all Central America united kicked out a US oppressor and not as how a rich American dude kick out a rich American dude out of Nicaragua, just because it damaged his railroads.

[@Charles-if9bw]

God dam Cody your production value has gotten so good. With love your viewer Colten

[@MrPolandball]

He should do a remake some of his other videos.

[@stillaliveplus1forme]

Colten? But your name is charles... something doesn't add up...

[@Charles-if9bw]

@@stillaliveplus1forme It's a mystery that will never be solved!

[@stillaliveplus1forme]

@@Charles-if9bw new Idea for alternate history video.... What if Coltens real name was Charles?

[@Ethan-mp7wr]

Can I call you colt? I like revolvers. And I think revolvers and the south are pretty fitting.

[@thor2070]

I enjoyed this presentation. I believe that the South's influence in the Carribean would have been plausible through a few conquests and a network of alliances. Mexico would have been the launching point for all of this to happen, I believe.

[@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access]

I know it's an old meme, but that's how Confeder-mafia works.

[@kameradin8964]

YEE HAW

[@danielguerrero2575]

How many KZbin channels do you have

[@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access]

@@danielguerrero2575 I have 3. But why do you ask?

[@redforest9269]

How do we know you didn't just invent this "meme"?

[@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access]

@@redforest9269 search up "that's how mafia works"

[@CoderedLegacy]

Production quality gets better and better every time. Great work @AlternateHistoryHub

[@jansonison6283]

Where did you find that "Dixie" tune? I've never heard that version before and I love it.

[@AliasUndercover]

"Mexico is complicated" he says...

[@maxhydekyle2425]

Texans invading Mexico after the Civil War: "Hey Mestizo" "Que?" "Remember the Alamo!?" "I wasn't even born then!"

[@neverluckym8728]

"What if Article 13 didn't pass"

[@byzantinemapper6145]

The EU could unite Europe into one country.

[@andymadden8183]

Technically, it already has. It has abolished centuries-old currencies.

[@byzantinemapper6145]

@@andymadden8183well it isn't a real country, just a confederation-ish group. So yeah.

[@nullvoid564]

@@byzantinemapper6145 What if E.U.(Germany) loses the upcoming European civil wear en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegr%C3%A1d_Group

[@ValoTheBrute]

Its to early to see the full effects. And what will happen to it in the near future.

[@CosmoCrank]

This video is so well edited and paced. I love it so much, thank you, sir.

[@thelastwooter]

You should do a video on Harry Turtledoves’s “Southern Victory” series. It covers pretty much what you talked about in this video, but takes it a step further by talking about the North-South interactions through World War 1 and World War 2.

[@krystalmadness5675]

I have heard of the Golden circle in games like hearts of iron 4 but I have never known what it actually is but only that it's connected to the South.

[@AB-hz7yr]

Thats not the Golden Circle man, that is the New Roman Empire

[@jeremiahoconnor5750]

You should a video on If the Romans discovered black powder.

[@Robbstark2024]

Step 1: start writing a comment Step 2: try to think of something funny to say Step 3: get frustrated because you can’t think of anything good Step 4: just make the joke that he said step 4 twice Step 4: hope you get noticed Step 4: hope Cody notices you Step 4: hope you get a heart from Cody

[@Traveler_of_the_Stars]

• What If Antarctica Was Green? • What if the United States had Won the War of 1812? I think these would be cool ideas for you to tackle!

[@ThePalaeontologist]

1. Antarctica was green, long ago (in the Mesozoic Era; in the time when Dinosaurs lived there) Climate change and changing water currents, combined with continental drift moving Antarctica closer to the south pole compared to its previous latitudes, made the unique ecosystems there perish and new ones emerge, in the much colder conditions. That said, even 100 million years ago during the Early Cretaceous Period, life was harsh in the polar forests of Gondwanaland (the season climate included monsoons, and harsh winters in the twilight zone, where daylight lasted only a few hours of dim light every day, and Dinosaurs among other animals, had to cope with freezing conditions - some migrated away, others stayed) At the time, Australia and Antarctica were joined until they broke apart millions of years later. Dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals had lived in Gondwanaland since at least the Early Jurassic Period. The climates would have been generally stable and lacking major variety for tens of millions of years; global climate was remarkably stable and long lasting in the Jurassic Period, and in general it was a lush, warm and wet climate, with dual seasons (not the 4 we have now), cycling between wet and dry over and over for tens of millions of years. Though the polar regions were always cooler and drier than the tropics, or the equatorial regions, it goes to show how verdant and hot the world was, that the poles were never frozen over in this time and always pretty warm. Think, Mediterranean climates, rather than polar ones as we'd see them today (whereas in the bulk of the rest of the world, conditions were much hotter still, and the Dinosaurs lived in their golden age) Australia and Antarctica/Gondwanaland in that time, however, were undergoing gradual cooling until by the Cretaceous Period, things were getting cold. Temperate forests more like those seen in New Zealand today, were not as barmy in weather as they'd once been. As the rest of the world basked in glorious warmth, the poles did begin to cool much more noticeably. The crocodiles that dominated the waterways of the majority of the rest of the world, could not threaten to overwhelm the waterways of the great southern continent of Gondwanaland, for a long time. This allowed for strange relics such as Koolasuchus, a giant Labyrinthodont Temnospondyl (a huge Amphibian, 6 metres long) to survive when its kind had vanished from most of the rest of the world. These things were ancient long before the Cretaceous; in fact, their kind had evolved over a hundred million years before the time of the Dinosaurs, in the Triassic Period. They began to decline in the Triassic and plummeted in numbers in the Jurassic, as reptiles dominated - but the last remnants of their ancient kind, clung on in what is now Australia and Antarctica. The waters, too cold for their reptilian rivals to follow. However, the seas around the world were still dominated by marine reptiles. Eventually, these unique polar forests would be killed off by the continuing cooling of the climate, and a spectacular chapter of the evolution of life on Earth, was closed forever. Long before the time of the Dinosaurs, Gondwana/Gondwanaland, had been green too, during the times of the Permian Period and earlier, in a very different world. You have to go back to the Permian and Carboniferous to find ice on the poles (particularly in the Carboniferous glaciations) but that itself was a strange time. 2. The British Empire could not be beaten in the War of 1812. It held total naval superiority and there is no getting around that. Even had the British not bothered to send a single infantry soldier into battle, the navy alone could win the war by blockade. Not happening.

[@masonpyle5929]

The US won the War of 1812 because if the Americans lost the US would be either be part of Canada or still be a British colony.

[@buckberthod5007]

It's the KGC. Knights of the Golden Circle. You also failed to mention the large cache of gold they had hidden, that had been taken when they fled from Richmond in '65. That's why Jefferson Davis was captured heading west. His home was in Missouri, and they where fixin to use the gold there to restart the South and move towards the Caribbean

[@alexfish3120]

How about this: What if the USSR survived the radical reforms of Gorbachev and lived to this day?

[@Azknowledgethirsty]

OK, that's plausible but then it wouldn't be Soviet nor socialist, it'd be a second China if done well

[@crocodileguy4319]

Cancer. Pure cancer.

[@michaelmutranowski123]

The Golden Circle is always hilarious to talk about and I really wish more people knew about it. World of Warships looks fun, but I know I would suck at it and I would just have to stick with ramming other people. Also I doubt my PC could handle it since I have a joker for a graphics card :(

[@curtiswfranks]

Havana is centrally located and would be well-connected by sea. Defense of it would be difficult, perhaps, but Cuba has been trucking along in our actual timeline since 1865, so maybe it could have been maintained. Given the colonizer's wanting to maintain power, it seems like a relatively decent choice for a capitol.

[@starsjosephfrost]

a rebellion against walker? don’t you mean the Filibuster war? because i am sure as hell that wasn’t a rebellion it was an all-out war against his nicaragua.

[@agentc7020]

You know, this reminds me of the “Gran Colombia” plan, like it’s pretty much the same and even the ending of the union is the same xd

[@northstar1727]

Golden circle... that sounds like a casino

[@kalanaherath3076]

Summary of this entire plan: *South* : *Gets in a 4x4 with two beers cans and a cowboy hat on, *shouts in Southern: "Maryanne, get the kids, we're going to Mæxicou!!!" *Maryanne* : (*Screams in Southern) Wheeeeere George???? *South* : Mæxicou!!! *Maryanne* : huh? Wheire? *South* : Mæxicou woman, MÆXOCOU!!!! *Maryanne* : Aulrighty then, let me get the grouceriies Gorge! *South* : Nevermind, derk (🦆) huntin' season's over!! We lost the war

[@alessiodecarolis]

There were too many things that could've gone wrong, but others ones could be achieved: For gaining UK & French support the rebels should've abolished slavery, but this was rebellion's first cause; Naturally Lee's army could've made short work of Juarez rebels, gaining not only an ally with Maximilian but also the French Empire and the Hapsburg; The Spain was so bankrupt that couldn't afford a war in the Caribbean, so a monetary compensantion could be useful; At the end a sort of Cold War btw the North and Europe's backed South would be the most realistical setting

[@oliversherman2414]

I love your channel keep up the great stuff

[@lordkarasu2263]

Hey Cody? Big fan. Can you please make a playlist of all of your videos please?

[@comradetman3784]

What if Andrew Jackson was never president ? That could be a good video

[@rydemk4168]

What If Samuel L Jackson was President?

[@shiny_teddiursa]

Comrade T MAN then native Americans would maybe still exist on the east coast

[@ShidaiTaino]

Orange Soda Lmao. The white settlers would have killed them all. Like what they did in the original 13 colonies

[@ShidaiTaino]

Comrade T MAN the Whig party would still be around

[@SpJrD]

Hey Cody, love your work. Could you do “What if the Tokugawa never lost power in Japan”❓

[@conradojavier7547]

What if Toyotomi Couquered China.

[@KendrickMan]

See if all these were educational and not speculative I'd watch more. Good vid. Never knew the south had plans like this

[@KendrickMan]

Nvm I commented too soon. Moar knowledgehub

[@adamcheklat7387]

6:07: He also wanted every Aztec artifact in Europe returned to Mexican soil.

[@RiggsBF]

Scenarios I’d like to see: 1. What if the Soviets won the Afghanistan war? 2. Guns of the South Lore 3. What if the Japanese Empire survived part 1 4. Fatherland Lore 5. What if Egoism replaced Marxism? 6. V-S Day Lore 7. What if the Ottoman Empire had survived? 8. The Divide Lore 9. What if Barry Goldwater became president instead of LBJ? 10. Back in the USSA Lore 11. What if South Africa kept its nuclear weapons program? 12. Agent of Byzantium Lore 13. What if Dewey really defeated Truman? 14. 1632 LORE 15. What if the Beer Hall Putsch had worked? 16. Custer at the Alamo Lore 17. What if the Bay of Pigs invasion succeeded? 18. The Handmaid's Tale Lore 19. What if Mexico joined the Central Powers during WWI ? 20. The Man with the Iron Heart Lore 21. What if Ernst Thälmann won the 1932 German Federal Election? 22. Crimson Skies Lore 23. What if Ross Perot won the 1992 election? 24. The Plot Against America Lore 25. What if Spain joined the Axis powers during WWII ? 26. The Years of Rice and Salt Lore 27. What if Prussia never fell? 28. What if Theodore Roosevelt won the 1912 election? 29. What if Malcom X wasn't assassinated? 30. Shattered Union Lore 31. What if Operation Eagle Claw had worked? 32. Bring the Jubilee Lore 33. What if Buddhism didn't exist? 34. What if the Marxists took over the Iranian Revolution? 35. What if Bob Dole won the 1996 election? 36. What if Paul Von Hindeburg appointed Gregor Strasser as Vice-Chancellor? 37. What if the USA switched to the metric system? 38. Dies the Fire Lore 39. What if Mexico won the Texas revolution? 40. The Yiddish Policemen's Union Lore 41. What if Russia kept Alaska? 42. Superman Red Sun Lore 43. What if Spartacus won the Rebellion? 44. A Canticle for Leibowitz Lore 45. What if vampires really existed? 46. Ruled Britannia Lore 47. What if humans were cold blooded? 48. Jericho LORE 49. What if What if George Mcgovern won the 1972 election? 50. Fahrenheit 451 Lore 51. What if prohibition was never repealed in the USA? 52. The Running Man Lore 53. What if Mexico paid for Trump's wall? 54. The War that Came Early Lore 55. What if Operation Valkyrie had actually worked? 56. Darwinia Lore 57. What if gambling was legal in all 50 states? 58. Weapons of Choice Lore 59. What if John Kerry won the 2004 election? 60. Hitler's Time Machine Lore 61. What if the assassination of Juvénal Habyarimana and Cyprien Ntaryamira didn't occur? 62. The Two Georges Lore 63. What if the Watergate scandal never happened? 64. Clash of Eagles Lore 65. What if Texas won the Alamo? 66. Jackboot Britain LORE 67. What if Ernst Röhm wasn't arrested and survived the Night of the Long Knives? 68. And the Tide Turns Lore 69. What if the drinking age in the USA was 16 years old? 70. North Reich Lore 71. What if the Mongolian Empire Never Fell? 72. Brave New World Lore 73. What if Al Gore won the 2000 election? 74. What if Erich Ludendorff won the 1925 German Presidential election? 75. What if EA Games didn't exist? 76. What if the Nationalist lost the Spainish Civil War? 77. What if Ireland joined the UK ? 78. What if Mermaids were real? 79. What if Great Britian kept Hong Kong? 80. Resistance: Fall of Man Lore 81. Iron Dream LORE 82. What if the Mensheviks took over the Russian Revolution? 83. What if Direct Current was used instead of Alternating Current? 84. King Edward The Last Lore 85. What if Ralph Nader became President? 86. What if the Anarchists won the Russian Civil War? 87. What if the Persian Empire never fell? 88. In The Presence of Mine Enemies Lore 89. What if Werewolves were real? 90. Front Lines Lore 91. What if Robert Kennedy wasn't assassinated? 92. Stars and Stripes Forever Lore 93. What if Hawaii didn't become a state? 94. Wild Cards LORE 95. What if OPEC didn't exist? 96. What if Mexico lost the war of independence? 97. What if the gun powder plot actually worked? 98. What if the Green army took over the Russian Revolution? 99. What if the Aztecs defeated Cortez? 100. Judge Dredd Lore

[@TiredViscacha53]

thats a lot

[@RiggsBF]

Yeah I made that list by copying a list I found on facebook. The original post is gone and I problaby should have only copied the first 12. Sorry@@TiredViscacha53

[@konstantinakonstantinou9441]

And if it happened HMMM Alternative History is the channel 😂

[@heathercurtas152]

*Video posted 39 seconds ago, and already has 2 views, 21 comments, and 62 likes. GG KZbin*

[@imactuallydeku3999]

Shadowfox 2 views 21 comments? K den

[@mr_radioactive2929]

Shadowfox Lol

[@uhohhotdog]

You must be new

[@omgitsmeinnit]

How is this fucking comment getting a hundred likes? Its 2019 for Christ's sake.

[@moonpigdotcom5933]

@@omgitsmeinnit calm down son.

[@lukebaker5135]

Cody’s voice is so soothing

[@howardlanus8610]

I can imagine Haiti would STRONGLY object to the Golden Circle.

[@dukedadude2885]

Could you write another book I am reading your first one and I LOVE it It does not have to be a sequel!

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

I think it sucks!

[@BloodRider1914]

The Golden Circle. Sounds like some illuminati thing

[@SergioKoolhaas]

Well, there was a secret society called "the knights of the golden circle". Basically many of the higher ups in the Confederate government were members of that secret society.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Cody: Its pretty much impossible for the South to win militarily. Turtledove and Lee: Hold our beer.

[@vietnamesesmerf508]

As a Dominican this is making me shiver in my Timbers

[@frostnova8300]

I saw a alternate history map where the Confederacy had annexed all of Mexico, The Caribbean, Central America and all of South America. It was a very interesting map.

[@bluedog843]

Kingsman: The Golden Caribbean circle!

[@X_A_ic]

What if Gorbachov’s reforms worked?

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Yeah!!!

[@backtothefutureman1]

@Big Tony then the Soviet Union would’ve became the Eurasian union.

[@backtothefutureman1]

@The Anonym Internet Surfer I know I found that out a few weeks ago.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

>invading British territory >also being slavers I did that when I was younger And that was a bad move

[@sirclonemageda1st]

Your voice gets deeper every video. Love your videos!

[@greywolf845]

Oh yay! Glad you're back!

[@jesuschrist9513]

"Well I wish I was in the land of Cotton," *Land of Cotton has annexed Mexico*

[@gojifanguy9135]

Any land south of the south CSA: *It's free real estate*

[@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger]

There was some bangers in the background music, I wish I knew what where the name of the songs!

[@massengsle8779]

Thanks for the book recommendation! Really excited to read the Alantropa Articles!

[@TheOddMindofSamBo]

Take a shot every time Cody says “Cotden” in a video about alternate history south