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[@Uyuzefe]

Its almost like Lisa Su does not like to lose

[@aaronhiggs]

Or she knows that capitalism is about making better and better products?

[@AJTheLEGOFan]

@JonDoe123456 for now???

[@dog6102]

@JonDoe123456 capitalism is not the best we have

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

@@That.guy0 what ever geniuses can come up with, maybe in the future. Capitalism is an invention just like most other things , it's good but not perfect. Also an AI optimized system would be way more efficient and productive even if implemented today. Most large governments and large corporations are extremely inefficient and anyone that worked in either knows exactly what I'm taking about with both wasting money on bs in small enough amounts that no one bat's an eye but totaled together, a quarter or more of their total spending is just flushing money down the toilet. Only recently formed large Corp have less inefficiencies and even they increase with time

[@deemo8578]

to think that amd lost in the latest GPU release and console release is just absurd, tbh.....

[@evanmoriarty8179]

AMD's technology makes older hardware new again. I love that they are doing this for the community.

[@kyesniper]

I bought AMD when I built my new system early 2020, 5950x for the cpu. Been happy, I'll likely be buying AMD GPU for the next gen, tired of Nvidia's shit.

[@jayr5mitty351]

@@kyesniper same Been an nvidia fanboy for awhile until I've learned what amd has been doing lately and I'm feeling quite incentivized to leaned over towards amd. Looking into the Ryzen 9 now which is looking amazingly affordable oddly. Why is that actually?

[@corey640]

@@jayr5mitty351 DEFINITELY go with Ryzen, even if you still go with a Nvidia card. You won't regret it. That's been my biggest AMD complaint though is Nvidia just had them by the balls when it came to GPUs, even if AMDs newest cards are more powerful. Hopefully this will be a game changer and won't take forever to get to the same level as DLSS. And I COMPLETELY agree with the OP. I love to see this. AMD gets it. Sell a top quality product and support them for longer, and you'll have loyal customers forever. Not to mention going as far as supporting competitors hardware? They're truly doing it for the gamers and not just to line their pockets by creating more and more e-waste, unlike some (i.e. ALL lol) other companies trying to phase out anything thats older than last gen.

[@jayr5mitty351]

@@corey640 100%

[@basshead.]

AMD's FSR uses Lanczos tech, just like nVIDIA's years-old sharpening filter. It's been an option in nVIDIA's Control Panel for years.

[@vitormoreno1244]

AMD actually said that RX400 series will be supported too.

[@joncroft2857]

Yes 470/480 for RX 400 series

[@paranoidrodent]

Yep, they're going back to Polaris for their stuff (and Pascal for Nvidia), so it's the 470/480/570/580/590 but not the lower tier SKUs.

[@androidemulation5952]

you look like a skinny videogamedunkey

[@user-wf2ek8hz8g]

great cause both my gaming pcs have rx 480's

[@Saffy1]

Yay happy RX480 noises, I love this card

[@marsaustralis6881]

It's worth mentioning that by having AMD power the 2 big consoles, it increases the odds of AMD's FSR being adopted and standardized.

[@RatBagDad]

This was the exact thinking that made me choose a Nitro+ 6800 XT over a 3080 when I had both in my basket back in January.

[@somedudenamedryan]

This was my thought too when i bought my 6700xt. If this is also implemented into the series x and the ps5 i could see it getting very popular

[@MindAndMyth]

@@somedudenamedryan hey im currently looking into the 6700xt. How good is it?

[@somedudenamedryan]

@@MindAndMyth its great for 1440p. Im running it on an ultrawide monitor and i have no issues getting 140+fps on 3440x1440p on forza horizon 4 and motorsport 7. I havent had a chance to push it on a more graphically demanding game like rdr2 or cyberpunk yet though

[@crisschan2463]

if that software is only needed an update for xbox and ps5, that would make their games have higher peformance on a high resolution 60+ fps on console would be standardized by then

[@drackar]

AMD. Sitting over there going "hey, guy with a competitors card. Want a uplift?" That's fucking crazy.

[@ArchitheFA]

And damn it worked. I am convinced not to wait for Nvidia availability and go with AMD card instead. If this tech works as advertised.

[@IntoTheAbyss98]

@@bronzehd6212 I think AMD said that FSR is open source, but it’ll be up to NVIDIA to implement it on their own cards. So in a way, you’re kinda right

[@recipioct]

Hearts and minds.

[@killer809829]

@@IntoTheAbyss98 so you would want the company that wants to give everyone an uplift or a company that wants you to upgrade your decent card to get the uplift just because they don’t want to implement the amd software?

[@ShockburnVR]

Indeed it’s great marketing. Not only are you getting brownie points by making older hardware relevant for longer, the chance that a nvidia customer would switch to AMD can be low because of cuda/tenser core dependencies. So this way they will take longer to switch to a new card as long as their old one keeps running

[@derekbrush]

Nvidia has been trying to "proprietary tech" their way into a monopoly for a VERY long time now (PhysX, for example - they didn't even invent it!). They make good GPUs, but their approach to competition is inexcusably sleazy.

[@tudy000]

Care to explain about PhysX?

[@jiroyamada1139]

@@tudy000 Physx was created by Ageia, and designed to run on a separate add-on card (Physx PPU). nVidia acquired Ageia, then put Physx support into their GPUs and discontinued the PPU card. The Physx SDK also removed support for the PPU card, completing the lock-in.

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

Ok, let's get some facts straight, because there's just too much false expectation around...and it's not how things work with Nvidia... Ageia's tech was ALSO proprietary...duuh! You would have needed to buy a separate card that does a lot of parallel processing, you would have needed separate drivers and you would have needed to have games supporting this standalone add-in card. What Nvidia have done is they looked ta the tech, noticed that it can be done effectively using parallel processors on their GPUs (CUDA) and they bought them out. What this did was enable a huge chunk of the market take advantage of the tech, where previously it would have been forgotten (how many games supported the PPU, can you tell me? How many did you play? Did you even know the PPU existed back then? I did.). The unfortunate truth is that as tech gets faster - a lot of what could previously not be done on the CPU - could now be done, at least in part, on it + there's just not that much demand for insane particle physics in games (which sucks... I loved making a mess in Mafia II, Alice: Madness Returns and Borderlands 2). Now let's take a look at some other "proprietary tech": Nvidia's G-Sync was a technological push during the time when the VESA variable refresh rate standard was not a thing. They had to rely on making their own chips for screens that can talk to the GPUs and the scaler boards to time and adjust the refresh rate correctly on-the-fly. This was HUGE at the time and was a move endorsed by the tech legends like Tim Sweeney and John Carmack. Fast forward some years - VESA comes out with a new DisplayPort spec, includes Adaptive Sync in it, AMD jumps on branding it because they now support it and everyone who didn't know what the hell is going on (including you, dear commenters) hails AMD as some hero... Nvidia is not responsible for monitor standardization - that's VESA's job. Because VESA integrated variable refresh rates into the new specs - Nvidia's proprietary chips were (almost) no longer needed. It's not a "haha Nvidia lost" kind of a thing - Nvidia pushed for the change by coming out with their own solution FIRST - at the time when no alternative existed! The same goes with FSR, but *not quite*... DLSS is a MACHINE LEARNING route, where an AI model can infer high-res images from low-res images using training data and a few supporting buffers that it gets from the game (such as the motion vector pass, which defines where and how fast the pixels/models are moving in space). FSR, on the other hand, uses spatial upscaling from a low res image, resulting in "crap in - crap out", if you will. If you took a low-res image into Photoshop and upscaled it and sharpened it - you'd get basically the same result - there cannot be extra detail where none was there to begin with. This is also clearly visible from their provided samples, as well as the video they had showcasing FSR. There's no machine learning that can synthesize (the same way as you can "imagine" a high-res image from a thumbnail) the frames. I am saying this because I see soo much hype, fanboyism and denial about what FSR is and what it will remain to be, I see people dumping on Nvidia - but...you'll just be disappointed. People expect it to get better over time - and I'm sure it will...slightly - but it will NEVER match DLSS, simply because it's not doing the heavy lifting. Please understand this and have realistic expectations. This is not a "G-Sync vs Free-Sync" and not a "PhysX" again - this is a completely different situation. What you should, as fans, be doing is you should be pushing for AMD to integrate fast AI processing into their GPUs so you can also take advantage of the technology. Until that happens - FSR will keep lacking detail, even if you get a performance boost, same way as you do when simply lowering the resolution. I am also disappointed that Jay is spreading misinformation on this topic. As a 3D artist I use AI upscaling technologies all the time, pretty much on a daily basis... When the method became widely available and we started using it - holy crap did the quality go up! Suddenly we went from telling clients "if we upscale your low res image it'll look crap" to "yeah, we can make it look much better". I've processed a LOT of images using both methods and there's just no competition to AI image inference. The same applies to DLSS vs FSR.

[@quirinaled2752]

@pookey Are you honestly arguing that they aren't trying to create monopolies, proprietary and otherwise? Look at the ARM deal and tell me Nvidia isn't trying head off future competition from the mooted integrated processing approach. They're a multinational corporation - they're not anyone's friend.

[@Xiphros]

@@quirinaled2752 True Nvidia isn't your friend but neither is AMD. I don't get the fanboyism they are all big companies simply after your money. Once one company has the upperhand they usually become complacent and become the big bad. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

[@inquisitorMence]

AMD updated their list to include RX400-series cards as well, I believe.

[@veda9151]

It makes sense, Rx400 and Rx500 are both Polaris.

[@runescapefan0001]

400 and 500 series are the same cards

[@stevenanderson3205]

It should all the 500 series is a refresh of the 400 series.

[@abhinandanmanna49]

Yes, but only to 470 and 480.

[@nukedathlonman]

Yep they did - I posted a linky to that post (well, the linky might get stripped off, but anyhow).

[@gavininhull]

Very clever move by AMD. By releasing this technology to 10 series owners they are clearly looking to damage sales of newer series Nvidia cards whilst building the foundations of brand loyalty. A shrewd move indeed.

[@Not_interestEd-]

Nvidia has to one up themselves or AMD is gonna walk up behind them quietly and shove a knife in their back. And right now, with the 4070 doing horribly, that knife is really close.

[@Reaper_ZL1]

@@Not_interestEd-Looks like the Rx7600 was the knife, cause it’s absolutely destroying the 4060ti in sales. Where I am you can’t even find them in stores because they’re selling so fast. To add salt to the wound they also slashed prices on 6950XT’s. Nvidia doesnt really care that much though because the money they’re making is coming from AI now. The RTX 50 series may be the last series we see from Nvidia.

[@Not_interestEd-]

@@Reaper_ZL1 last consumer grade cards* Yeah, wouldn't surprise me.

[@mfdsuk]

I've had this feature for years, I just take my glasses off and sit back in the chair. 720p looks just like 4k then.

[@danielpham8627]

"What if we used 100% of the brain"

[@Biomeac]

@@danielpham8627 yo. I tried using 100 percent of my brain n all. But to no avail nothing special happened. I don’t have a brain. Tips?

[@HOkayson]

Oh you have to sit back huh, just glasses off & I'm 360p all the way

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

You know it really does depend on the developer. Like I've actually seen Total Warhammer 2 and 40k Inquisitor Martyr and each has these horrible jagged edges at even 1440p. Meanwhile at a lower resolution it basically doesn't look that much different and I think that's the developer's fault but dunno why. The amount of jaggies was so awful. You can get pretty used to a lower resolution but yeah, basically if you're actually building a new system and got a good card somehow I think you should at least get a 1440p monitor, and if not, you may as well use a lower end OEM office machine tier upgraded with cheaper Maxwell or GCN or whatever cards to power a sub-1080p display like I do. It's mostly fine.

[@tomhaffey8204]

🤭🤣

[@drigondii]

DLSS is computers learning how to do the “enhance” feature in CSI

[@yourhandlehere1]

I had so many people bring me grainy video from a crappy security camera...."Can you enhance this?" They'd be trying to get a license number or something. ( I worked at a video production place). We could convert old 8mm, photos, do SOME restoration, all kinds of stuff. Sometimes you can get some detail out of a DARK photo or video...but if it's white, overexposed...there's nothing there. And no...when you cheaped out on the 240p camera...I can't do ANYTHING with it.

[@Theckonestroh]

DLSS is not only magic, it's voodoo. Predicting 5 pixels from a single pixel. That is some CSI enhanced shit. Of course DLSS uses frames over motion(60 to 150 fps) video whereas topaz gigapixel AI, Sharpen AI & Denoise AI. Affinity Photo Pro and PhotoZoom Pro. Enhancing one frame leads to bunch of tools that have enhancer range limits. Single frame has 200% to 500% enhancement or resolution requirement. Suites limitations on camera lense depth and Artificial zoom.

[@theendoftheline]

photoshop added sharpen in 1990

[@kathrynck]

@@yourhandlehere1 I could do "some" with it, but it wouldn't be quick, and the result would just be a still image. 240p is pretty miserable to work with though. At best though, I'd just be making a nearly-legible license into a legible one. I remember CSI once 'enhanced' the reflection of evidence on the pupil of an eyeball which was in frame... people have some pretty unrealistic expectations.

[@tridiots3681]

@@kathrynck cough _movies_ cough

[@tom05011996]

"and they are going back all the way to 10 series cards" Sad 980 owner noises.

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

only reason they included that was because 1060 is still a large user base on steam.

[@swajihh]

sad 960 owner*

[@zimzimph]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 and to dissuade those users from buying a 20xx/30xx, witholding Nvidia from more funds

[@bgtubber]

It should work practically on any modern card produced in the last decade or so. They just used GTX 1060 as an example because it was the most popular GPU on Steam. The only thing you should be sad about is whether Nvidia would want to optimize the FSR tech for their cards. AMD said that they have _enabled_ this tech on any hardware but have _optimized_ the quality only on their Radeon GPUs which is understandable. It's a bit naive to expect that AMD will do the whole work for Nvidia, especially with AMD's limited resources which are much smaller than Nvidia's. Nvidia has to do some tweaking to FSR on their side and on their GPUs in order to bring it to the level of quality we saw in the Godfall demo ran on Radeon. So don't expect the FSR quality on GeForce to look the same as FSR on Radeon on release.

[@edugamer950]

960 owner over here😂

[@markhaus]

The hidden benefit behind opening up FSR is also that this incentives other people to work on the code to make it better. This includes by the way, Intel, Qualcom, SiFive, IBM, Huawei, and everyone else working on GPUs in industry and also a massive pool of skilled independent coders that will likely work on the more niche features people want.

[@kirkmacpherson7945]

Huawei needs to be kicked to the curb.

[@Salmon-ez1sg]

One of the best things about FSR is that it will be supported on AMD APU’s. This should make the new 5000 series Ryzen APU’s very compelling for people who want an easy upgrade path once discrete GPU’s are back in stock.

[@hwsadberry6781]

Agreed.

[@Dimondminer11]

I was just about to ask that. That would honestly make APUs like the 2400G or the 3200/3400G worth buying (as long as you OC the vega iGPU. On my 2200G I OCed the Vega 8 from 1100 to 1600mhz and got a 10-15fps bump in most games.) In fact if you OC the Vega 11 in the 2400G it is just as fast as a GDDR5 GT 1030. Hows about them apples?

[@Samisipi]

Does it support laptop APU's as well? This would be great for handheld game consoles like the aya neo.

[@hasnihossainsami8375]

@@Samisipi highly likely. Everything Vega is supported.

[@killermoon635]

FSR won't look as good as native resolution. Not even close. Just wait and see by yourself

[@CHEFPKR]

I'm curious how AMD will approach productivity software as well vs gaming. Anyone have any idea on that? Would love to use AMD/ GPU

[@raawesome3851]

Honestly, they need to dump a shit ton of money for opencl to catch up to cuda

[@CHEFPKR]

@@raawesome3851 that's my biggest concern. I do game on my editing PC so I'm kinda stuck with Nvidia for now in that regard.

[@IamNinetyFour]

@@CHEFPKR I literally just said all this in a separate comment too haha. Nvidia is getting complacent just like Intel was pre-Ryzen with CPUs. Evidence? 3080ti ... oof.

[@jaydenloh5137]

@CHEFPK yo you into hardware too? Big fan!

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@IamNinetyFour Nvidia is not getting complacent they are leading in software features, raytracing and DLSS and the fastest card is the RTX 3090. For the past generations they have been the GPU market leader even know. Intel kept us on the same 14nm and architecture for many, many generations. However RNDA2 rasterization performance was better than Nvidia expected. So much that the RTX 3080 was suppose to be the 3080ti. This is why the top end Nvidia cards are in a weird space.

[@erictriesasmr2207]

Personally really love the talking head videos because I'm always trying to learn and do more with my systems and software so hearing this from someone whose been in the game as long as Jay is just so nice to have. Thanks Jay:)

[@just2bme1000]

Agreed, I love all the knowledge i'm gaining in this video!

[@bleack8701]

My favorite videos by far

[@KrypticWarrior2]

My god this is like “download more GPU”

[@Scientist-exe]

Cant wait

[@tristan8035]

@@Scientist-exe same here

[@IAMIRIE]

finally it came true

[@paradox9265]

@@Scientist-exe Same

[@aynunnabil]

xD

[@DeerJerky]

AMD did actually confirm FSR coming to RX 470 and 480 afterwards :)

[@aoiyuki9040]

Love my rx 470 oc 4gb XD

[@MLeoM]

@@aoiyuki9040 you should. Can't get one now. Nothing at low price is available.

[@tensevo]

All I know is RX580 is a beast, I am sure they will support 480

[@esbenm6544]

@@tensevo RX 480, 580, 590 are basically the same card.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@esbenm6544 Like the i7-6700, i7-7700, i7-8700, i7-9700, i7-10700...

[@virn143]

“I’m sure steve has a 65 minute video about this...” -Jay 2021

[@atisbasak]

Steve lives in the iCloud.

[@virn143]

@Andrew go on kid

[@joshujsk]

Hey Jesus loves you. Acts 2:38. Upci church locator for a church.

[@joshujsk]

@Andrew hey Jesus loves you. Acts 2:38. Upci church locator for a church.

[@krazycharlie]

Actually, I'm expecting Digital Foundry to have this video rather than Gamers Nexus.

[@vs9mm]

The only feature I care about right now is “In stock” vs “Out of Stock”

[@jhartsock79]

I walked in my local microcenter yesterday and picked up a 6900 xt off the shelf.. they had prob a dozen or so across brands... got some sideways looks from the guys camping outside for the nvidia cards as I left

[@K_I_L_R_O_Y]

@@jhartsock79 Nearest Microcenter is like 50 miles away from me

[@BUDDAz1g]

@@K_I_L_R_O_Y nearest one is like 500 miles for me

[@CenturionAlexander]

@@jhartsock79 and the etailer I regularly buy tech at has 4 different types of 3090s and 3080s with each having a stock of 10-15. When limiting the n to 1 it's easy to make it look like one manufacturer has no problems. The realiy is that both are more likely out of stock than in stock across the board.

[@K_I_L_R_O_Y]

@@BUDDAz1g Feelsbadman

[@TheWobbinator1]

"I'm sure Steve has a 65 minute video about this." OOF

[@moldyshishkabob]

Ha! That's silly, he only has twenty-some minute videos on such. Multiple of them...

[@AdamBrackney]

@@moldyshishkabob and they'll add up to 65 mins. Lol

[@Mr.Morden]

He is... verbose.

[@vantharasc9967]

LoL Shots fired.

[@Coltknows]

To be fair, Steve's review of the 3080 ti is short if you end it when he says we don't need to watch the rest of the video. The majority of the vid is optional.

[@gamesturbator]

Microcener: We guarantee not to have any locations near you!

[@I_SuperHiro_I]

And we absolutely guarantee to have no stock of GPUs ever!

[@squirtle0528]

Haha I got a 3080 from them today. Feeling good.

[@VelocityFreak]

My MC has 50+ cards every day lol.

[@gulag8040]

Bruh there is not even good pc components shop in my country

[@TheRedFist92]

I live on an island...

[@CoalitionGaming]

Major "Sega does what Nintendon't" vibes in the title

[@qwkimball]

That worked out well for Sega.

[@peterburns4665]

AMDoes what Nivdon't

[@CoalitionGaming]

@@qwkimball At the time, for sure. Sega got pretty splintered towards the end of the Genesis era and the 32x, SegaCD, then Saturn, and finally the greatest console ever in the Dreamcast, were never able to bring Sega back to their Genesis (and Master System) heyday :(

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

​@@qwkimball Sega didn't lose out to Nintendo, it lost to Sony and Microsoft.

[@TeamHELPER]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName I mean, Microsoft kind of failed too, because they lost money off of the Original Xbox.

[@sirventox3248]

A good bonus with the Pascal cards was that they were available :I

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

One of the reasons I left Nvidia long ago is they don't care about older generations like AMD

[@ignacymoscickifilms670]

It's like David vs Goliath but David got a grenade launcher behind his back

[@592Johno]

Lmfao

[@Grok_Fractal]

He did though, David was never going to lose that fight, he brought a gun to a knife fight. Goliath could never close the distance against a dude unencumbered by armor

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Yeah it was a stone in a slingshot then using Goliath's sword against him.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

@@Grok_Fractal see my statement above

[@Blacksadify]

Yeah, that giant megacorporation AMD is a true underdog. XD

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

9:00 Hey Jay! AMD said on Twitter that 400-series *is* going to be supported, for the reason you said!

[@fakedungeonmaster5740]

Really can I get a source

[@SkullAbyssGaming]

@@fakedungeonmaster5740 www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/joao-silva/amd-updates-list-of-fsr-compatible-gpus-to-include-the-rx-480-and-rx-470/

[@nanashivii9237]

Really nice to see AMD back on the front foot, especially doing so by undoing a little bit of the scumminess that their competitors indulge in. More power to them.

[@smith-czyk385]

When Jay is explaining something while looking directly into the camera I'm feeling like I'm in a converation with a friend that really wants to explain something to me, feels really nice to be honest.

[@Nooboroshi]

The beauty of unscripted content!

[@jaxxarmstrong]

lol, "I'm sure Steve has a 65 min video talking about this..."

[@stefaness2153]

Still searching for tech jesus' video about this 😂

[@santhoshmanickavasagam2467]

It apparently hasn't come yet.

[@raptor1672]

I bloody hope so!

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

I lol'd

[@thatrealba]

Mumbling .... Steve mumbles his way through videos. This is why I very rarely watch/listen to Steve. And that sucks, because I would love to get his perspective on things.

[@_A.d.G_]

Also: Intel and Microsoft already jumped on the FSR train.

[@ArielGonzalez1]

that is a critical punch to nvidia..... if they can get the big developers in this too, it will be insane

[@_A.d.G_]

@@ArielGonzalez1 it's more than that. All the power Nvidia can wield is about AiB laptops and preassembled desktops manufacturers clients, A.K.A. GPP (GeForce Partner Program), and providing them with discrete graphic cards. If AMD and Intel can pack enough punch with their integrated GPUs (iGPU), thus making "gaming" laptops and preassembled desktops viable and cheap, Nvidia in a TREMENDOUS trouble. Remember how AMD kicked Nvidia out of the gaming consoles market thanks to their custom APUs. The story may repeat itself.

[@_A.d.G_]

@@ArielGonzalez1 a little addenda: if you carefully look at the wildly popular Steam stats, and correctly interpret them, you can see that almost the totality of GPUs listed there are from laptops and preassembled desktops. Truth is, notebooks sell IMMENSELY more than DIY desktops, and age faster.

[@ArtisChronicles]

@@_A.d.G_ that's kind of the direction coreteks predicted things would be moving in... Here we are. Honestly it makes sense and also makes sense that Nvidia wants to do stuff with arm asap.

[@ashleywinsor8140]

Microsoft makes sense cause the Xbox uses amd graphics. Not sure about the cpy though

[@stevenmoor]

Hi Jay, just so you know, DLSS 2.0 no longer requires high resolution images to learn how to upscale images. We have been researching this extensively where I work. This used to be the case with the first version (requires high Res reference images for the game you're playing.) But deep learning has gotten so good in 2.0, you no longer have to feed these images to your GPU, it can upscale in real time without consulting a library.

[@arcknight_bk2o183]

So the dl algorithm does the job?

[@chacharealsmooth941]

Then why does Nvidia participate in development so much? What's the point of it if its generated on the fly?

[@arcknight_bk2o183]

@@chacharealsmooth941 because noone really knows besides nvidia how dlss works. Personally, it should always have been an algo making the upscale like the image upscalers do on cpu. The algorithm made after training with millions of pictures, and it just runs on the tensor cores of GPU for faster processing and execution.

[@bhBlacky82]

so why does developers still have to upload these images and wait for confirmation?

[@arcknight_bk2o183]

@@bhBlacky82 nobody really knows. Like I said

[@vencibushy]

I knew that one day the open source approach would bring huge benefits to AMD. This might just be the right moment for them to truly shine.

[@SpeiderProductions]

Damn im really hoping that activision wants to have fsr for warzone, would be sick to be able to get dlss level performance improvements with my 1660ti

[@Firefly_Nino]

100% this, i even requested the game on their website. I have 5700xt and playing on 2k (everything maxed out) > getting 90/100fps. Imagine getting 150+, oufft that would be the dream!

[@jakobe_bryantgaming5580]

Yeah I get 90-120 fps at 900p high settings but its both bc the gpu and a cpu bottleneck. I get my 10600k in a few days and FSR would be the perfect pairing to play in warzone at high fps on my 5500xt 8 GB

[@Dirtyboxer1]

I'm curious too, but I'm not expecting too much from the first generation. I think it'll fall somewhere between DLSS 1.0 and 2.0. Their second generation FSR should be on par with whatever DLSS version is out at that time. I'm glad AMD's in the game now.

[@zahikkhan4405]

Dlss in warzone make the game too blurry.

[@Dimondminer11]

@@Firefly_Nino I get that same framerate but at 1080p on my 980 Ti on warzone. To be fair the 980Ti is about the same perf as a 1070/1660 Ti and the 5700xt is ~ equivalent to the 2070 super. I have a buddy who built a sleeper with a 5700xt (the THICC 3 ver.... commence eyeroll....) and a 3900x. I have a 3900xt with my 980 Ti and it suits my needs for esports 1080p high detail @ 165fps for the games I play and AAA games high detail @90-120fps @ 1080p

[@abzer0gaming]

I wish I could partake in the headphone giveaway, but the nearest Micro Center is 320 miles away.

[@miff2011]

I don't know how far it is to my nearest store but it's definitely on the wrong side of the Atlantic. 😂

[@uhranus2969]

same here, nearest is 3900 miles away. Kinda difficult for a weekend trip but maybe tramping helps a bit

[@dboymax1]

I live in Manitoba, Canada so I know I do not qualify...

[@YOEL_44]

I'll get my dinghy and cross the Atlantic in a moment, I mean, it's free, I don't wanna lose on this one.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

2hr drive for me.

[@deviatemarker4753]

Anyone remember when AMD was almost nonexistent

[@deviatemarker4753]

@@sgtbuckwheat They sure have!

[@chriswright8074]

They always existed

[@jamesstillgames]

@@chriswright8074 yeah ok but they legit predicted bankruptcy in 2020.

[@LovelyCenturibear]

Had me an Athlon XP 1300

[@GlennsHardWired]

Yeah .that was 3 days ago.

[@TheDutchTexanGames]

I freakin' love AMD when it comes down to that stuff. This just means I could justify getting a 3840 x 1600 monitor for my video editing down the line and my 6800 might be able to push some decent frames in games that support it too!

[@prcvl]

If you mean the AMD RX 6800 then you should be able to get decent frames at 4k

[@TheDutchTexanGames]

rx6800 indeed. I have seen some stuff showing the card is capable, I just know the rx6800xt would have been the one to own. Not complaining though, I am happy as is given the current GPU climate!

[@Graphics_Card]

I was surprised. When I heard this, my heart strangely skipped a beat when they said that fidelityFX will support nvidia cards

[@anaskartoumah2436]

Fidelity will most likely not be as good as DLSS from what AMD showed us, it looks really soft (the image)

[@anaskartoumah2436]

It still is nice that amd is sharing it don’t get me wrong

[@droson8712]

@@organicmetal6850 they got it working, so why wouldn't they? they also had nvidia cards listed on the game request site

[@halo3rat_709]

@@organicmetal6850 other amd technologies work with nvidia cards for example amd's CHS works both on nvidia cards. intel hd, and of course amd

[@peterandersson4243]

@@droson8712 Someone has to put in the work to get it to work for the different cards. The technology is compatible with Nvidia cards, but it isn't going to be optimized for Nvidia cards unless Nvidia puts in some work as well. (I could still see them putting in some effort for some of the older but popular nvidia cards initially just to get some extra good publicity. But right now it's only optimized for 1060 in that specific title. It won't be the case for the rest of the games that support this technology).

[@opiesmith9270]

My whole build is all AMD. I’m a huge fan of what AMD is doing recently, the precedent they are setting. And their CPUs are just better, regarding price to performance. AMD forever!

[@yar2000]

Same here. 3700x and an RX 5700. Bought my RX 5700 for €290 two years ago which was an absolute steal - sold my 1060 for it and took the plunge. To say it had some issues was an understatement... The performance was great, lots of improvements over my 6GB 1060, but the drivers... Oh boy. I was relatively lucky according to what other people were experiencing and I still had at least a few crashes a month, probably 8 or so at most. I've tried so many things - disconnecting my second and third screen, reinstalling the card, reinstalling drivers, etc. Nothing worked. I was at the hands of AMD's software engineers to fix the issues. Luckily, they did. I rarely experience issues now, although I'm still uncertain what caused the earlier issues. Some people say it has to do with the memory timing due to some cards having memory from two different brands on one card, which was fixable with a bios flash - don't feel like doing that in todays GPU market though :P They've convinced me to stay and I'm now trying to upgrade to an RX 6800 for MSRP... Its tough, but I think I might be able to do it.

[@VoldoronGaming]

11th Gen mobile cpus from intel are faster in gaming than mobile ryzen...though not in productivity of course. Ryzen is the defacto productivity choice.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

@@VoldoronGaming time is money. When it comes to productivity XD

[@williamwlch]

“To be fair” I love the talking head videos.

[@bleughost]

Toooo be faaaaaiirrrrrrr

[@JoonDeWire]

@@bleughost toooooooo be faaaaaaaaaiiirrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@gwynbleidd7177]

Tooo be FAAAAAIIIIRRRR

[@210420rocky]

@@gwynbleidd7177 Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo be Faaaaaaaaaaaaaair

[@blech71]

TOOOO BEEEEE FAAAAAAIIIIIRRRR -fist wrap up pump to completion

[@Blaankket]

I'm really beginning to lose my patience with Nvidia.

[@krazycharlie]

I already lost it.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

I don´t have patience with either. But i have limited options in my region.

[@tnix80]

"the reason people go with Nvidia is dlss" Uh, no. it's because their only information is what's trendy, you give the average consumer too much credit

[@5ard0nyx78]

@@tnix80 I will give no shit to anyone for wanting to run AMD cards over Nvidia but for chrissake, don't pretend like there isn't legitimate reasons not to take a 6800xt over a 3080

[@5ard0nyx78]

@@Dozeball Totally fair, that's an opportunity I wouldn't let slip if I were in that spot. We're long past the point of just taking whatever upgrade we can get our g a m e r claws on...

[@Nine-Signs]

Jebus AMD is knocking it out of the park, how I wish I had bought their bloody stock for $4 a pop.

[@MLeoM]

Buy it now... (I don't take any responsibility for your loss BTW.)

[@oxfordsparky]

Buy it now and sell it by the 20th as it’ll fall like a rock once FSR is released.

[@Argoon1981]

@@oxfordsparky Do you know something about FSR that we don't?

[@evanarnold3663]

@@Argoon1981 stock for any company that releases a new product or line of products, will build up in anticipation of launch; then shortly after launch it will start falling again. Just the way that stocks GENERALLY go. Like another said, I don’t take any responsibility for what you do with your investments. I’m sure as shit not a financial advisor lol so take it how you will

[@songogu9]

@@Argoon1981 it seems to be getting a lot of attention and hype, but it's a first generation tech that took a long time to arrive. My money is on a massive disappointment. I'd love to be wrong though, since I'm sporting a 1080ti and free fps is free fps

[@lynnbrown571]

Thanks, Jay. I have always been an AMD fan (ventured into PC building back in the 1990s, but got away from it when I needed to switch to using a laptop). I am glad to see them making such drastic improvements, and look forward to being able to build myself an AMD monster . . . one of these days.

[@Nostalgia_Realm]

Lets hope game devs will bring this to current gen titles as well. Maybe then I can consider buying Cyberpunk for my RX580 based PC :)

[@robertorebola7532]

Don't buy this pos just download it

[@gitapatel9842]

download cracked bro, cyberpunk is not worth the moeny so if u really wanna play it ( i did the same) i downloaded crcked and i finished it and will say a 5.5/10 or 6.

[@5izzy557]

@@gitapatel9842 it's DRM free, so it doesn't need to be "cracked" I guess you mean just pirate it.

[@cybershellrev7083]

If you got good hardware, cyberpunk is a beautiful story experience. The game is not bad nor is it ambitious. If you liked any of the FarCry games, you'd like Cyberpunk.

[@5izzy557]

@@cybershellrev7083 one of these games has working a.i. comparing it to farcry is an insult. Also you're just wrong, I like far cry I thought cp2077 is a joke. decent story, every other part of the game is broken and a complete mess at every single corner. Edit- oh, and it looks nice on high-end hardware.

[@chadhartsees]

Great seeing optimizations like this. We can't just keep increasing wattage and increasing the thickness of the cards forever.

[@spasiklakigaming5075]

The cards aren't thick but their coolers are due to GPU's getting hotter over the years

[@AwesomeBlackDude]

What good is this tech when miners are taking all the availability off-the-shelf 😬

[@chadhartsees]

@@spasiklakigaming5075 "Card" means the whole unit/product, including the cooler. The PCB and silicon have gotten more dense and the TDPs have been getting bigger. It's just not a sustainable path at this rate.

[@DefianceOrDishonor]

I mean, in the grand scheme of things, why not? I wouldn't mind my desktop PC being twice the size. I have a large case as is and there's plenty of space in it. Why not have larger components if it helps with thermals? I really don't understand the draw for these tiny components and ultra thin laptops. Just makes them more fragile and more expensive. I want something bulky that works.

[@Miraihi]

@@DefianceOrDishonor In the grand scheme of things, bigger components mean more e-waste, what's already a huge problem, as well as energy consumption (Carbon footprint).

[@Luanielbr]

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, AMD might just save us all once again

[@dirge7459]

Save us from what?.

[@frederikgoogel5611]

@@dirge7459 save us from good image quality.

[@Luanielbr]

@@dirge7459 If this works? Low fps and overpriced gpus

[@Luanielbr]

@@bronzehd6212 I know, what I meant was that those who have older/weaker gpus won't necessarily have to buy new ones thanks to this feature (If it works, that is) thanks to the fps improvement

[@Freestyle80]

yeah because amd totally doesnt jack up prices when they can stupid fanboys

[@Enju23]

Oh my God, THANK YOU AMD!! I've been pissed that Nvidia kept their stuff to the new RTX cards, although I know hardware upgrade is eventually needed, but I'm stuck on a 10 series card, and hearing that there's another way for bringing up the performance, I'm super happy now

[@MrMartinSchou]

I would love for you to test the impact FSR will have on the APUs. Since they're the most constrained graphics solutions, they might make the jump from playable to okay.

[@stlfan547]

I felt like Jay was talking directly to me and my 1060 with this video

[@robb5828]

well soon youll have an AMD 1060 ,its gonna revive your card :D

[@stlfan547]

@@robb5828 true. I'm kinda hoping I get a little more out of until the market stabilizes if ever. Told some friends about this as well since they all have 1060s too

[@KollinNaples]

Well, let’s see what AMD has with this. Gonna be interesting to say the least.

[@MiniSlac]

AMD is making all those moves!

[@LovelyCenturibear]

Moves like Jagger?

[@christianhills8127]

making money moves

[@YOEL_44]

I like to move it, move it...

[@thedesucomplex4365]

I can only imagine this will be the standard tech since it will be supported on XSX/PS5

[@davepianist84]

And it sucks, it's a lesser technology and we'll be back to be obliged to what they do to consoles, also ray tracing could be in jeopardy since it would be as mediocre as we've seen so far in ps5 /Xbox

[@killer809829]

@@davepianist84 meh I have a 20 series card and have never played with rtx on . It’s simply not optimized well enough yet and some games are almost unplayable unless you have a 3080/3090 no I think is safe to say rtx will be more common next gen of consoles . Even if the consoles were running nvidia gpus rtx still wouldn’t be running above 30 fps in 2k or 4k

[@BedBug1984]

Stuck with my 1080ti, was waiting for a DLSS enabled card, if they can make this work it's a double win cuz my 1080ti can play some newer games without dying and I can buy whatever next gen card actually becomes available. If they actually pull this off I'm honestly kinda considering just getting AMD to support them for a change.

[@MyouKyuubi]

I actually got a 2080 Ti, but i'm also thinking about AMD. Getting real sick of NVIDIA's greed. Their cards are already ridiculously overpriced, and they INCREASE the prices in the scalping crisis? Fkin' yikes... This really does make AMD seem like the hero... And judging by the rate at which my 2080 Ti heats up when i play games, i don't think it's going to last for too many years. : / My next graphics card is 100% going to be an AMD card. : / They have long-lasting support for older graphics cards so you use the same card much longer, AND they just released their open-source DLSS equivalent? That's just so consumer friendly i can't ignore it. : /

[@marcelberglund1829]

That table has more gpus on it than every store combined right now :/

[@vampire__uk]

It's a KZbinr trait.... :p

[@rangerfurby]

holy shit my rx580 is actually getting an upgrade!!!

[@Lucaspc99]

Right!! I bought my rx570 thinking it was already obsolete!

[@jmal1776]

@@Lucaspc99 oof i am desperately seeking an rx gpu :( trying to build my friend a better pc then what he currently has.

[@Lucaspc99]

@@jmal1776 i bought mine from AliExpress, a bit before prices gone crazy, on 2019 Black Friday

[@arraybytes]

6:18 "I'm going to knock this down"... 9:11 hay the cards swoped places... did you knock them down?

[@capacitiveguitarresistance]

I have been with AMD since I started PC gaming in the very early 2000s. I have been very satisfied with and the only let down I have had is the fact that I cannot find a 6800XT for msrp. However my Sapphire NITRO+ VEGA 64 is still a beast and performs better than most of the liquid cooled 64s. I was so excited for the GPUs but am grateful that AMD has not forgot those that support them.

[@LaDeCR]

I have an RX 570 which can run CP2077 on high settings, so to hear I can get more out of it is super exciting

[@capacitiveguitarresistance]

@@LaDeCR We are definitely not that bad off with our older GPUs. My sons 580 is also a beast.

[@t3cube]

I'm one of the few linux people and I'm wondering how it will be implemented into the open source drivers. I use Mesa I don't use the AMD official drivers

[@LNDFHACKER]

I use mesa also. I think that Microsoft will implement it into DirectX so you will need to wait until dxvk gets updated. Maybe the mesa driver will perform better than the official and one.

[@katech6020]

I think we will be fine. since FSR is open source. So someone will find a way to make it work

[@katech6020]

I think we will be fine. since FSR is open source. So someone will find a way to make it work

[@t3cube]

@@katech6020 the other thing is that I would hate to have to install the mesa package to get FSR support if I'm on an Nvidia card (although installing NVIDIA drivers on Linux is pretty much equivalent to death by a thousand cuts)

[@arcturus0389]

@T3cube FSR is open source so it will most likely be implemeneted into mesa drivers

[@darkm007]

Me: *sees title* Also me: AMDoes what Nvidon't.

[@Windowsfan100]

Or nVidican't? nVidiain't?

[@darkm007]

@@Windowsfan100 I kept the original idea of Nintendon't but sure, why not!

[@Abyss_end]

You asked us what we want more of, I said give me more car stuff :-) I got tires in the background. Well played sir!

[@ragetist]

As an 1080Ti user this sounds super interesting and gets huge respect for AMD. I was going to upgrade with nvidia in the future but damn it, if this turns out to be other than a media stunt I might switch to AMD just to support the real gamechangers.

[@a7hazen]

Fellow 1080TI user. I kind of have the opposite take and this will get a ton of hate and somewhat rightly but also misguided- until AMD has a firmer relationship with major studios and can reliably demonstrate their drivers won't cause major headaches (which is why I currently don't buy AMD, despite the cost difference), all this does is make the decision to purchase an Nvidia card that much easier as I get reliable drivers AND AMD's latest super-sampling tech.

[@Demo-jx6wg]

1080Ti as well, and I am definitely considering a switch to AMD for my next setup, but if this Fidelity FX is as good as it seems, then I may wait a year or two. I play on a 1440p monitor, and I just want to max fps and have it at ultra settings. This is sounding very promising.

[@pascalfilion3518]

I've switched from a 1080 ti last week to an 6900 XT and I'm sorry to tell you this but and drivers stability is junk compared to Nvidia. It's my first amd product ever and the hardware is amazing, it's blazing fast. For someone telling me that AMD drivers are good now surely never have own a Nvidia GPU in past 5 years. I love the adrenalin software way more than Nvidia software but it's so unstable to me at least that it's not worth using. I'm running the 6900xt with only drivers install without any software and dam now it works like a charm. Again I'm not saying it's a bad product but it's just my experience coming from Nvidia since my fist PC on 2011 running GTx 580 sli.

[@forkless]

@@pascalfilion3518 So the AMD drivers are fine as well on their own, it's the companion software. Whoopteedoo, I'm sure it will get sorted. ps. It's not like Nvidia had been winning prices in the past with their drivers either. I remember releases that physically burning out their GPUs.

[@pascalfilion3518]

@@forkless I'm just telling my experience. I've had more glitch in a week on 6900 XT drivers than 4 years with gtx 1080 ti. Resolution downgraded on its own with black bar on side without being able to change it back upon screen wake. Wattman crash on startup ect. I have pass way too much time troubleshooting instead of enjoying. I did not get any issues while gaming at all only on desktop but it doesn't make it any better. I will not sell it and keep trying but now I know why on marketplace so many people wants to trade their Radeon for Nvidia GPU. I have never own an AMD CPU also. But I can tell that Nvidia and Intel is plug and play but not AMD.

[@agentcrm]

Since most of my friends stream, the main reason I recommend Nvidia is NVENC. It's good to see AMD coming back and competing. It will be interesting to see how the firmware conversion goes vs hardware.

[@Blade-ix8hr]

What’s NVENC

[@madgodzilla12465]

You can always just stream on the processor granted you have the cores/threads. Although AMD still lacks in application support for productivity.

[@simfreak187]

@@Blade-ix8hr its an encoder thats specificly GPU dedicated. which means, for streaming in that case, your CPU has less to do and concentrate on doing games or programming/coding for a program or a live video editing. its pretty cool and usefull, but i bet AMD is going to send something out soon, that can compete!

[@Blade-ix8hr]

@@simfreak187 👍🏼🖤

[@user-xh5pi2nf9q]

Yup, my “gaming pc” is a headless server running a windows vm. I got a 3080 for NVENC only. I mainly game on my Surface Pro or Shield TV....

[@PhotoJohn80]

lol love how that micro center commercial has tons of stuff on the shelves.

[@Edzewkurai]

id be willing to say most Micro Center's have tuns of stuff on the shelves... unfortunately its usually junk.

[@r6liam657]

I noticed that, I live in the UK we don't have micro centre but we have currys/pc World an even there shelves look nothing like that haha

[@flzkke8384]

@@Edzewkurai well yeah but in the ad they had a lot of gpus

[@DenverStarkey]

what do you mean by "were running" most folks are still on a geforce 10 series. been rocking this 1070 now for 4 years.

[@roh3522]

1060 bought on premiere. Still good

[@DenverStarkey]

@@roh3522 it'll do given the state of the market. me my 1070 is starting to show it's age. i've had a 4k tv for 3 of those 4 years now , nothing released from 2018 or later will really run at 40-60 fps (the playable range) in 4k. most games coming out now i have to drop to 1440p or 1080p and a few games have to cut settings back and drop to 1080p (namely rdr2). a 1060 would be hurting in my setup. sometimes it makes me wish i had not gotten the 4k tv. i barely ever get 4k movies for the 4k blu ray player i got that pairs with it and most news games have to be dropped to 1080p any way , which looks a little fuzzy on this tv (seems it was tuned for 4k like computer monitors are tuned to one resolution, it is a samsung) sure it looks beautiful in 4k and ok in 1440p and 1080p but going between the different resolutions , it's night and day clarity when you flip to 4k.

[@roh3522]

@@DenverStarkey oh, 4k is hard on 1070 for sure. I only play in 1080p and even then. For egsample Warzone on lowest only got me ~30 fps, witch for fast action shooter is unplayable

[@shred1894]

I've got a 1050... Not even a TI

[@DenverStarkey]

@@roh3522 well fortunately older games do fine in 4k. Skyrim (non special ed) for example runs smooth as hell max setting in 4k. Alien isolation runs smooth in 4k. there's quite a few older (but not completely ancient) games that the 1070 can pull off in 4k with max settings. just when i hit 2018 games , fewer run at that setting , and then by 2019 no games newer than that can maintain above 35 fps at 4k regardless of settings. oh that said , Halo MC can max setting and run at 4k with above 60 FPS. it came out after 2019 , but then technically halo MC is really just a collection of xbox 360 games not really "new" but looks goregous all the same. i'm hoping to get a 3070 (or 4070) when ever this chip shortage /bit coin boom ends.

[@Cheeseypoofs85]

no intro or filler. just straight to the point... good job J

[@jberry438]

I love watching AMD improve over that last few years it has been what Consumers have needed for a while to get over the Intel/Nvidia Market domination for a while.. I want to add that I hope Intel knocks it out of the park with their new GPUs and future CPUs.. Don't want AMD getting comfy they need to keep pushing Against the once Market leaders in the consumer space

[@SawBlood45]

This is great news for consoles. Ray tracing taxes the hardware significantly.

[@nayan.punekar]

You sure it will look really bad if you tell turn on Fsr and consoles are too weak and a 1070 can beat a ps5

[@websterri]

@@nayan.punekar No it cant....

[@Freestyle80]

@@websterri yes it can

[@jako997]

Honestly at this point, AMD has been doing amazing these past 4-5 years I think my next rig I get ( maybe 2-3 years from now) will be full AMD when it comes to CPU and GPU. i have a 3700x AMD CPU right now in my current rig and let me tell you something, I've been happy with it since I got it back in October 2019.

[@yuriblanc8446]

I switched with 3900x and rx 5700xt and I'm really happy. Gpu works much better than nvidia on Linux

[@rupertbearz3790]

I love this! When I first started with computers and building computers ('93) AMD was the way to go. I currently have intel and nvidia and can't wait to go back to AMD. I have a 1080ti that I would love to try this new AMD out on!

[@Ietsuna]

mans a savage "godfall i dont even know what that is. is it an indie title or a AAA game?" dont even care if that was an unintentional joke still hilarious.

[@lyanrewis]

Hilarious when he follows that with "if they can get the big developers in there" rip Gearbox

[@ArtisChronicles]

I'll be honest, I actually had no idea what it was either and completely misidentified it as God Eater

[@cptwhite]

I was like Godfall...by Gearbox? I know it's not Call of Duty, but still! Burn.....

[@sinom]

About support for fsr. There have been claims that studios working on PS5 and XBox-whatever-it's-called games have already had access to fsr to already start working on supporting it before release. So simply because the consoles support it, this might actually become more widely supported than dlss within a year or two.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

There have been hints among the various channels I watch that making sure consoles were ready to go (at least reasonably) is one of the reasons they've taken so long to release FSR. I may be #pcmr, but I know that everything that benefits consoles trickles down to the PC crowd eventually.

[@r6liam657]

I haven't a gpu yet and I play games like call of duty, halo, ghost recon, sniper elite and it got me thinking because the new halo is going to be coming out I wonder if it will perform better on a amd card with fsr 🤔 I say this because it might help me actually decide which card to go for because I can get a amd card for £250 over the msrp where as the nvidia cards are like £1000 over the msrp

[@ifstatementifstatement2704]

Yeah I see that technology being much much more useful and accessible than dlss. I can’t wait for it and I hope it works. I’m on a gtx 1070.

[@Dimondminer11]

@@ifstatementifstatement2704 Unfortunately when I bought my gpu (980Ti) for $20 less than a 1070 I didn't take into account that it wouldn't support; 1. Freesync 2. FSR 3. other stuff that I'm not bothered enough to go look up

[@bk_Syndicate_FL850KH]

you forgot to mention Intel was totally on board with FSR as well!

[@themalcore_]

They're 'on board' as far as they said they like open standards, but they said FSR wasn't as good as their own XeSS that will launch with their Xer GPUs... FSR's image quality is really really bad.

[@eclipsegst9419]

People like to talk up the amd/intel war, but in reality they are interdependent. Intel made x86 and AMD made the 64 bit variant. Intel has used Radeon graphics in NUCs, and I'm sure they are glad to be off the hook on developing a DLSS competitor, when now all they have to do is be compatible with an open source version from AMD. Bet their cards will use FreeSync too. I would like to see Nvidia given enough of a slap by AMD and Intel sales eating at them to stop acting like Apple with walled garden tech.

[@crhu319]

@@themalcore_ XeSSaxtly zero developers will support a new Intel GPU.

[@arcknight_bk2o183]

@@eclipsegst9419 intel using Adaptive Sync already

[@mtx1212]

AMD knows what it’s doing…look at freesync vs gsync…one was free to all, the other proprietary requiring a dedicated chip…fast forward a few years, Nvidia realized the massive competitive disadvantage and pretty much abandons the original gsync tech and now openly supports freesync (dubbed gsync compatible)

[@darthportus]

THe g-sync chip monitiors were too expensive for g-sync to be worth it rofl. I would rather spend that extra money on better gpu then monitor.

[@StealthyJim]

This has been the story with nVidia for a long time. They keep trying to force devs and customers into some proprietary tech, while AMD continues to show them up with open tech that is even better for everyone.

[@TheUltimateBlooper]

Ok, let's get some facts straight, because there's just too much false expectation around... Nvidia's G-Sync was a technological push during the time when the VESA variable refresh rate standard was not a thing. They had to rely on making their own chips for screens that can talk to the GPUs and the scaler boards to time and adjust the refresh rate correctly on-the-fly. This was HUGE at the time and was a move endorsed by the tech legends like Tim Sweeney and John Carmack. Fast forward some years - VESA comes out with a new DisplayPort spec, includes Adaptive Sync in it, AMD jumps on branding it because they now support it and everyone who didn't know what the hell is going on (including you, dear commenters) hails AMD as some hero... Nvidia is not responsible for monitor standardization - that's VESA's job. Because VESA integrated variable refresh rates into the new specs - Nvidia's proprietary chips were (almost) no longer needed. It's not a "haha Nvidia lost" kind of a thing - Nvidia pushed for the change by coming out with their own solution FIRST - at the time when no alternative existed! The same goes with FSR, but *not quite*... DLSS is a MACHINE LEARNING route, where an AI model can infer high-res images from low-res images using training data and a few supporting buffers that it gets from the game (such as the motion vector pass, which defines where and how fast the pixels/models are moving in space). FSR, on the other hand, uses spatial upscaling from a low res image, resulting in "crap in - crap out", if you will. If you took a low-res image into Photoshop and upscaled it and sharpened it - you'd get basically the same result - there cannot be extra detail where none was there to begin with. This is also clearly visible from their provided samples, as well as the video they had showcasing FSR. There's no machine learning that can synthesize (the same way as you can "imagine" a high-res image from a thumbnail) the frames. I'm saying this because I see sooooo much hype, fanboyism and denial about what FSR is and what it will remain to be, I see people dumping on Nvidia - but...you'll just be disappointed. People expect it to get better over time - and I'm sure it will...slightly - but it will NEVER match DLSS, simply because it's not doing the heavy lifting. Please understand this and have realistic expectations. This is not a "G-Sync vs Free-Sync" again - this is a completely different situation. What you should, as fans, be doing is you should be pushing for AMD to integrate fast AI processing into their GPUs so you can also take advantage of the technology. Until that happens - FSR will keep lacking detail, even if you get a performance boost, same way as you do when simply lowering the resolution. I am also disappointed that Jay is spreading misinformation on this topic. As a 3D artist I use AI upscaling technologies all the time, pretty much on a daily basis... When the method became widely available and we started using it - holy crap did the quality go up! Suddenly we went from telling clients "if we upscale your low res image it'll look crap" to "yeah, we can make it look much better". I've processed a LOT of images using both methods and there's just no competition to AI image inference. The same applies to DLSS vs FSR.

[@StealthyJim]

@@TheUltimateBlooper G-Sync launched a couple months after DP 1.2a. AMD was showing off FreeSync a year later. There is absolutely no reason for G-Sync to have existed beyond 2014 or 2015, yet they continued pushing it for YEARS. It was completely unnecessary proprietary tech that did nothing but force nV GPU owners to overpay for monitors because the company refused to make their hardware compatible with the available open standard.

[@inflatable2]

@@TheUltimateBlooper And Gsync still has it's advantages over Freesync, like supporting adaptive sync.. But ignorant people will be ignorant, I just let them be..

[@sandervr10]

I think it's great that Amd makes it an open tech a specialy at this point in time where nobody (almost) can get a new series GPU ..

[@Vizion_Precision]

Using the quote Sega used towards Nintendo back in the day lol

[@kaldogorath]

Sega does what Nintendon't?

[@drugjoza5000]

AMDoes what Nvidon't 🎵

[@cipherwing4211]

AMD is what Nvidiain't

[@Dimondminer11]

@@cipherwing4211 better ver of what Drug Joza said tbh

[@Joe-xr2xl]

I read on an article that FSR will work on only 470/480 from the 400 series so that's why they said that. See: www.windowscentral.com/amd-extends-fidelityfx-super-resolution-older-gpus

[@the_retag]

Was looking for this

[@chadmitchell4]

The concern i have with AMD isnt the arguements for high end graphic benefits its sad issues like the driver rollout for 5700xt cards that resulted in months of black screens blue screens random crashes etc. Eventually after many DDU runs, AMD removal runs, Driver reinstalls etc only way I solved it was to create a new profile in windows 10 and magically it all worked then. Also have concerns when sad issues like poor thermal pad placements occur noting thats more resellers not AMD itself.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

A friend of mine bought a 5700xt. It was unusable for two months. He previously had an rx580 and after black/purple screens, lock ups etc with the 5700xt, we put it back in and it worked perfectly. So after like three AMD driver revisions we tried the 5700xt again and it worked. The experience was terrible, but to AMD's credit, they regurlarly released drivers specifically to fix all those issues and at least on our case, it eventually got fixed.

[@Dinkleberg96]

"im sure Steve have a 65 minute video (movie) talking about this" yeah probably LMAO

[@djnorth2020]

Is it too early to make a Linus joke here? 😏

[@karlkukk7080]

I checked. There isn’t.

[@LucaFiltroMan]

09:50 It's something that we've rarely seen Nvidia do. Want to talk about when they coerced developers in hiding geometry underneath maps levels so that it was going to use HairWorks pointlessly just so that the performance on Radeon GPUs was bad?

[@RabidChasebot]

Do you have a source on this? I definitely believe you but I want to read more about it

[@LucaFiltroMan]

@@RabidChasebot Sure thing man, the source is Tech Jesus www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/3224-ffxv-disingenuous-misleading-benchmark-tool-gameworks-tests

[@CalienteQuack]

you wanna talk about that cherry picked scenario you brought up? it was in 1 game and that was the developers choice. It was only in Crysis 2, maybe do some more research before you spew shit...

[@qwormuli77]

AMD: The greatest benefactor of my (current) Nvidia GPU. We officially live in a madhouse.

[@nujinsk]

One more thing not mentioned about FidelityFX (or I overheard) : - Notebook & probably Console support - little boost of FPS on notebooks can be great - And I think Intel already did tell that they plan to use/support it on they GPUs

[@kjakobsen]

AMD has a history of not being jerks. Not keeping ECC of Ryzen, Free Sync and so on.

[@statphantom]

"I've never heard of godfall", lol consider yourself lucky.

[@sinom]

With how much that game has already been pushed by AMD and the new consoles' marketing I'm actually kinda surprised he never even heard of it before.

[@reinhardtwilhelm5415]

Apparently it’s mediocre.

[@igordasunddas3377]

To be honest I have heard the name, but never seen a single image of it until like very recently (AMD Computex 2021). And I'd consider myself somewhat of a gamer, albeit not an avid one anymore. I'm probably not the target audience for it anyway.

[@scottirwin1205]

Yeah it’s lacking no doubt….a start to something but underdeveloped

[@jayeisenhardt1337]

I think of old monsters den when I hear godfall. Monster's Den used to be one of them free flash dungeon crawls. Ya can waste a million hours on it, no matter how bad it looks it's still fun. This other godfall I don't know of.

[@02stampede]

Glad I bought AMD this time around. They're really making an effort.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

always root for the under dog. XD

[@thebidentouch5892]

I used to have and R9 390 AMD GPU. When I swapped it out about a year and a half ago for a GTX 1080ti I thought to myself, "I'm never going back". Now I'm not so sure...

[@rookless4121]

For my boys hanging on to our Rx 500 cards. There is hope!

[@miguelangeldominguezbriant9178]

Hell Yeah Bro!!!!!

[@Banditt42]

590 here. Can't wait for the improvement

[@miguelangeldominguezbriant9178]

@@Banditt42 same herencia bro, budget gpu power up!!! Boight it in octubre 2020

[@so_Kind_6699]

I'd love to see how much FSR helps with AMD APUs as well with how the GPU market is right now

[@winjaywin]

dont think its supported for APUs. only dedicated graphics.

[@chacharealsmooth941]

@@winjaywin apu is supported too

[@winjaywin]

@@chacharealsmooth941 you are correct. My bad. APUs are supported. That is amazing.

[@CaduZombieKiller]

I'm really curious how it's gonna help the really low end of the spectrum, like the RX550 (which is one of the only cheap cards available right now here in Brazil)

[@dethtour]

You should get a 30% to 40% boost. The new cards are getting the most benefit.

[@bad1971nova]

@@dethtour Don't forget though, this is NOT going to be in every game. It's kinda like dlss in the way the developer has to implement it. Now, going back to older games, you can pretty much guarantee if it's not a big name game. IE like gta online, the Witcher, dirt etc. It will never get it unless developers are currently working on a game. Just as an example Assetto corsa or like fallout 4 will never get FSR. It might happen but it's highly unlikely.

[@dethtour]

@@bad1971nova I think developers will target the newer gpu's first and trickle down. I'm sure the boost will eventually come to the most used cards though. But I get what you mean.

[@bad1971nova]

@@dethtour it was already stated it has to be implemented game by game not cards bud. That's what I meant. I doubt older games will get a boost.

[@dethtour]

@@bad1971nova I was just reading into it. But I wonder how the older cards will work. The numbers I mentioned were just a guess. But I wonder what the actual number will be when it's all said and done.

[@Bradgilliswhammyman]

Skipping this gen of upgrades, will look again in a couple of years when the graphics card insanity is over.

[@HaydenRoberts08]

Assuming it’ll be over in a few years 😆. Na it will be once Eth 2.0 hits and all the mining farms will liquidate their 3060 Ti and 3070 stock.

[@MaxiimTribe]

Getting a 3070 for 500$ does feel great I have to admit...

[@tnix80]

With the way rdna3 is looking that's good

[@ASTRALEGION]

The worlds gonna end soon, just buy what you want and enjoy the time you have left

[@chazy123]

@@ASTRALEGION Not soon enough it seems.

[@hondajacka2]

7:04 "And not even be able to tell the difference between the two". That's a bold statement considering we haven't actually seen the quality first-hand yet. The reason why this is supported by all cards is because this is a simple spatial upscaling technique that people have tried for decades and has never really been used.

[@brendonpearce14]

Could the scalp-pocalypse be partly caused by the overall lack in low-mid end gpus on the current gen market?

[@chillnspace777]

I wonder that also. This might have been in the works but then almost a year of.no damn cards are decent prices might have pushed for this. So that's one plus

[@Remsster]

Part of it yes! The other issue is that everyone now thinks they need a 3070/3080 when in reality most people would be better off with a lower end card, but not much of a choice currently.

[@mickeyu2893]

Secondary market is usually swayed by relative performance, the scalp-pocalypse would be more or less the same since the low-mid GPUs preform close to the high-end GPUs of last gen. So they would be scalped for about the same as the last gen high end cards are now

[@venzoah]

But FSR isn't really even remotely the same as DLSS. FSR is a post-processing effect much like FXAA. It doesn't even use any DL/AI, so it doesn't actually reconstruct lost data. They're not even in the same league. DLSS is Nvidia exclusive because it REQUIRES dedicated DL/ML cores to operate in parallel to the rendering pipeline. Something that AMD cards don't even have. I dunno. FSR is cool and all, but drawing equivalence to DLSS is off putting.

[@CalienteQuack]

yeah its not even the same ball park. Jay needs to stick to what hes good at, reviewing hardware

[@ApplePotato]

Technically behind the scenes yes they are very different. But at the end of the day it is a tech that allows end users to gain performance by rendering at lower resolutions than upscaling it. Also if you look at the AMD patent both linear and non linear upscaler is still DL neural networks. But they are generically trained and do not need the game engine to provide motion vectors (not temporal). So in theory it requires very little work from the game devs to get working. Newer version of DLSS is also generically trained and do not require game specific training. But it does require motion vectors because it creates a new frame based on movement of objects (temporal). The main point with FSR is it works with any card RX500 , Pascal or higher without proprietary tensor cores. Literally AMD just extended the life of a lot of older video cards. And if you don’t know why this is important you shouldn’t be commenting.

[@janisir4529]

AMD didn't make a DLSS equivalent, it made an alternative for the resolution scaling techniques that were already implemented in most modern games.

[@phunkscunk6872]

This video is nuts. JZ bashing Nvidia, claiming some grand victory for AMD on something he has no idea about.. something that no third party has evaluated. Sure, it could be the most amazing thing ever. Sure, there is a possibility it's so awesome that it beats Nvidia AI tensor cores. But that's a tall order. Seems more unlikely than likely. Especially considering the example AMD had during their presentation, where it was....not amazing looking, not at all. Jay Z is seriously talking sone nonsense when he acts like Nvidia could back port their fancy AI upscaling to cards without tensor cores. It's fundamentally/entirely built around tensor cores. This is total nonsensical

[@janisir4529]

@@phunkscunk6872 I mean, the gpu conpute is Turing complete, so technically it would be possible to get it running. It would probably suck though without the hardware acceleration

[@freddyt55555]

That's what DLSS is too, moron--just an "alternative for resolution scaling techniques that were already implemented in most modern games", except that it was implemented as some proprietary bullshit that no game developers want unless they were bribed or threatened by NVidia to do so.

[@janisir4529]

@@freddyt55555 If you discard the fact that it's machine learning based and hardware accelerated. Except it's really the hardware acceleration that puts it into the league of it's own.

[@phunkscunk6872]

@@freddyt55555 You should probably make sure you have a good grasp on a subject before you go off calling others moron. Clearly you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Not wishing to offend, it's just you don't seem to have the slightest idea in regards to how DLSS works. Either that or you're just looking spin up some nonsense just for drama. Just gonna say, before you start unloading on me, at the very least, take a little time and do some research so that you might have a complete understanding about how DLSS works.

[@darthvalkyr]

BTW: RX400 series (470/480) will now be supported. Many people queried this with AMD as it is the same architecture as the RX500 series which was a refresh with slight process improvements. Support confirmed by Mickey Molad, AMD Community Manager.

[@zlightning]

Jay, “Nobody actually played Ashes of a Singularity.” Me looking at my library well why do I have about 100hrs in it?

[@Sol-Orion]

Yeah plenty of people played it, but it was kind of a niche title even with RTS fans. So if someone wasn't an RTS fan at all I can see why they'd say that.

[@djnorth2020]

Wow guess you really liked to benchmark it! 😏 I actually kind of want to check it out, why it isn't played much.

[@xnonsuchx]

Jay called you a nobody. :-(

[@thantos-cu6kh]

@@xnonsuchx Me:Takes a look at where I am in life, then takes a look at where Jay is in life. Also me: I can accept that

[@martinkrol2840]

Well.. 100hrs is like checking it out right? I've got games with 200hrs in and I don't remember playing them

[@PizzaOMC]

My reason for going nvidia over amd is due to rendering performance for the softwares I use for work

[@Dimondminer11]

For me it'd be shadowplay, the NVENC encoder, and just the general ease of use of the driver configuration interface. I've owned an R9 Fury and I have a 980 Ti and Nvidia's control panel is just so much easier to deal with

[@caribbaviator7058]

Mainly for me it was the drivers and most games being nvidia sponsored with better support.

[@123FireSnake]

Well DLSS does more than you are talking about though, it legitemately introduces "new details" that wouldn't even be present at the native resolution, it looks really good(from what i can tell without having a gpu that can do it) and it adds more level of detail it's like whatever resolution you run it at plus the cherry on top

[@nayan.punekar]

Well to be fair you are wrong it runs it at a lower resolution and upscales it to a higher one and it's a lot better than Fsr cause they have dedicated compute units but Fsr is on gtx 10 series

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

With Intel (slowly) trying to up their GPU approach, on one hand I am a little surprised that AMD made this open-source right out of the gate. However, I see this as a long-term play on their end to convince consumers to keep coming back to them, and if their claims are even half true, it's a lot to get excited about.

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

@abbsnn cose I think it's more of a stop-gap with benefits. 25 years ago, there was this BS called "RAMdisk" that did nothing for performance. This one actually makes sense.

[@rucarnuts13]

Even if FSR is rough at launch, like how DLSS 1.0 was, the fact that both major consoles this generation are both AMD-powered and both consoles are planned to heavily utilize FSR for more graphically-intense games in the future, means that improvements to FSR will be coming thick and fast and it’ll match DLSS 2.0 in fairly short order.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

They may get it right the first time like ATi with the Radeon 9700 Pro with AA.

[@slateslavens]

this is awesome news! I'm playing on an RX580, so this is exactly the uplift I've been hoping for! There's absolutely no way I can afford a new video card, even _if_ they were available at MSRP. Thanks Jay!

[@hridayasapkota716]

I don’t know what micro center your going to that has that many gpus in stock but I’d pay you a thousand dollars just to walk into it

[@toecurlersupreme]

id love a micro center ad where its just Jay in front of a greenscreen of the shelves of gpus "wow look at all these in stock gpus!"

[@danhulson8703]

I think it was good of Jay to try help and give a few bit's and pieces away to people in these competitions