...And You Thought I Was Done??? [Part. 2 - The Tale of Jenny and Screech and Violet Reaction]

[@darkmatter6714]

In another song Ren says in the lyrics: “How did Ren get here, nature or nurture? I nurture my nature”

[@piplevett4783]

Baggage.. one of my other favourites

[@A-AronReacts]

Wow, now that is a bar!

[@charleenk71]

@@darkmatter6714 that is a Chris Webby song Ren is on. Love that tune!!

[@Sky14318]

Looooove that line. Love that whole song. ♥️

[@charleenk71]

@@Sky14318 the video and cinematography is exceptional!

[@REN4eva]

Thank you for treating this masterpiece of a trilogy with the seriousness it deserves. No matter what songs Ren writes, serious, uplifting, funny or just plain creepy, he always puts in something with the intention of making you think. That is his main goal in life. As he says in the Hunger; ”I grow, then I preach. Scrap that, I teach. Teach over beats to all those that seek ”.

[@darkmatter6714]

My favourite line

[@momstin58]

OMG, this is epic! The first time I've seen this happen; a reacter so stunned at the end of the story go back to say what they were unable at the time. I'm so glad you did. Your reactions are packed with insight and musical knowledge; I'm enjoying them immensely 💜💜

[@nataliehughes5902]

I don’t know how many times I’d watched the tales before it dawned on me that Jenny was only 14 as well!! That they would’ve both have been placed in the care system and separated as babies which would be why screech didn’t know who it was that he was killing!! It’s all so deep with so much interpretation and Ren has talked about leaving things open for people to have their own take on things. I really appreciate your reactions to the two songs you’ve listened to. Something to note tho- sometimes Ren fans write some really critical and condescending comments- I think it’s because they’ve forgotten the fact that they’ve seen it over and over again and don’t give grace to reactors when they’re literally watching it for the first time. Don’t take any of that to heart. You give Rens work the attention and depth of thought it deserves, not all reactors are able to do that so I really really appreciate it when people do! Looking forward to the next one! Much love from the UK!😊xxx

[@piplevett4783]

I had an inkling youd be back about this. I could see you were so mind blown and impacted. Im definitely a fan of yours. If you consider doing more Ren, the money game trilogy is another deep thinking journey, or something more bluesy/jazzy and fun is Back on 74/message in a bottle

[@NinaGray-eq9on]

+ the acoustic versions, particularly Murderer, + Troubles are ace & Animal Flow and Genesis are also fab. + His busking duet with Sam Tompkins doing Walking on the Moon/No Diggity is amazing, as is The Big Push (Ren's band) doing I Shot The Sheriff/Road to Zion/Hip-Hop. So much to be savoured.

[@REN4eva]

Also, at 9.32 you mentioned how small descisions make differences in our lives. In his song ”Bittersweet Symphony the Verve Retake” Ren says ”mad how small altercations can define who we are”. He is very aware of how much our lives are affected by seemingly unimportant events.

[@Daniel-n7b7d]

Wow, some of those comment are harsh. Mate the first time I watched this, I could not stop saying "FUCK" for while and constantly repeating that. Then I also had tears flowing during that and to be honest my mind was fucked, it checked out because that ending is a serious kick in the balls! Not sure why people would not allow you that moment to actually experience what you just watched. I'm glad you did this part2 and I hope its because you felt you wanted to and not because of peoples comments... I truly hope this is not the Renegades behaving like this, we should support people and guide them if we think there is more to the songs but please do not behave in a shitty way, that is not how we do things!!! ❤❤

[@A-AronReacts]

100% because I couldn't sleep and knew it was because I had more to say

[@patriciaobrien6600]

Thank you Daniel! 💯 truth there ❤❤

[@lisamarie79]

Appreciate you coming back to process this more with us. REN’s work does get the wheels turning! He has talked about the interplay of nature/nurture in other places too. It’s a worthy conversation and I think ultimately Ren points us towards empathy as a way to respond to that question. Back on 74/message in a bottle will be fun for the Jazz aspect. You definitely deserve a lighter side of Ren after this.

[@kv4320]

Congrats on this second part of your reaction. It shows that you take care/wanna make the best of your channel (and appreciate our boy 😉) 👏

[@Irmelinis]

Great stuff! I think these discussions about the generational cycle of violence is exactly why Ren chose to highlight this in his story. Awareness is important! Thanks for talking about this!

[@naturalginger999]

I suspect that the twins could have been her father’s. That’s why Stevie called her a sl*t and a liar and battered poor Violet because the pregnancy was not his. It was based on a true story too 😣

[@Froschfischchen]

Thank you for taking your time to come back to this.

[@andymarden]

Great reactions and how you were impacted is how most people are. Don't apologise for not getting all of it initially - and if people are crticising that, then that's just stupid: Ren is a master of hidden meaning and in an interview he has said that it was deliberate misdirection in Jenny's Tale to leave her age ambiguous (which leaves the natural assumption that she is older). Welcome to Part 2 of your life!

[@RenRabbitHole]

Thanks for a great follow-up analysis. One very interesting hint that folks from the UK have mentioned: Where we use John Doe and Jane Doe to refer to unnamed people, they use Jenny and James. One of my favorite lines from Violet's Tale is one that I haven't heard reactors mention (out of the literal hundreds of reactions I've watched) is: "Packing shelves in Tesco, stacking jars like pickled bricks". It paints such a vivid picture of Violet's desperate situation as a young pregnant girl forced to be on her own, having to do backbreaking manual labor just to survive. It's no wonder she fell so quickly for Stevie as a way to escape.

[@A-AronReacts]

Wow I had no idea about that Jenny and James unnamed (John / Jane Doe). That adds another dimension of emotion especially coupled with "such a shame"

[@hollyryalsgrubb1273]

I appreciate taking the time to come back and discuss the Tales. I think that's the ultimate takeaway; we need to think about these situations and then work towards caring about others. And it's definitely about interconnections. More than Shakespeare; this story is Greek tragedy.

[@LHartman-gj7dl]

So glad you came back to this, I appreciate your insight. 🖤

[@knojustenuftobedangerous2442]

Wow Dude. Over 11k subscribers. Your responses and insights are valuable to our community and it shows in your recent numbers. I appreciated you addressing that police officers do not want these confrontations such as with Screech. And you are right, there are a number, thankfully the minority, of officers who are bad apples. Officers hate those bad apples, believe me.

[@stranger2Utube]

Oh so glad you added this second video ❤

[@juliehoward9654]

Thank you for sharing your musings. Ren really does give us so much food for thought. Looking forward to seeing which you chose to react to next.

[@TheDougMan]

A fine continuation of your analysis. You did need to pause for a few hours because of the gravity of the Tale. By the way, your “Violet begets Violet” comment wasn’t really a mistake if you think about how much Jenny was like Violet.

[@kbmcw70]

Loved how you came back to this. It is a head f***k, first time round! Very heavy topic! You think it's tragic with Jenny and Screech! Then bam! You hit with Violet's tale! Well done 👍👏👏👏

[@violincredible]

Wow, another treat! Thanks for this! I'm not sure if my outrageously long comment in 3 parts on your previous trilogy reaction actually got posted, they showed error messages every time I tried to edit them, and disappeared from my browser when I refreshed the page. I did save them after losing several tries. (note to self: ALWAYS write long comments in a text editor first in case they evaporate!!) Anyway, thanks again for your splendidly insightful, informed and genuine Ren reactions! There's not a shred of hyperbole when I say that Ren has changed my life so very much for the better, not just personally but as a musician, performer and audio engineer. At 57 years old, having ridden the 'feast or famine' rollercoaster of making and playing music for a living since I was 14, and with not much to show for it in terms of material wealth or security, I was getting a bit jaded about music, life, the whole shebang, honestly feeling ready to take steps to not be alive anymore, and bloody hell, from Hi Ren on I've felt my passion and love for music and art in general come back stronger, better and deeper than ever! And musically, he's got me rethinking how I structure, deliver and experience solos, my backing/vamping, relationship between my violin lines and a vocalist's performance, finding and expressing meaning through melody, harmony, texture, timbre, rhythm, groove... just everything!

[@The_WarRen]

Chanting Money Game trilogy Money Game trilogy Money Game trilogy 😊

[@itsakittyting]

This second reaction brought to mind Madonna's song Oh Father which back then made me have the same thoughts as you have had now with The Tales

[@lnetski23]

So cool you came back to express the thoughts after absorbing the trilogy. I couldn’t imagine trying to give a well thought out response directly after experiencing this kind of impactful art. I’m so glad you’re delving into Ren, I followed you for Dimash reactions, I think I may have even suggested Ren in a comment months ago because I suspected you’d enjoy and do him justice with your thoughtful reactions. I look forward to seeing more Ren reactions from you!

[@mmlory78]

I can see Ren doing a song about the officer and PTSD from taking the life of 14 yr old Screech in the line of duty. Many officers deal with PTSD and self medicate with alcohol which can affect their families ending in divorce. I can totally see him doing a song about the affect this all had on officer Richard!

[@julielong8714]

So glad I subbed so that I didn’t miss out on this extended reaction. Fantastic job! Here for the long haul. #Renegades

[@sistermoon1970]

I could tell at the end of the reaction that your brain was fried, so happy you came back to do this. I have heard this song thousands of times and probably hundreds of reactions and it STILL blows my mind when I think deeper on it. Really appreciate your commentary, and look forward to more. You can’t go wrong with any Ren song, solo, collab or with the Big Push, my favourite will change daily but some I highly recommend are Seven Sins, Troubles, Baggage (collab with Chris Webby) and one for the most beautiful and moving piano pieces would be Mackay. Respect 🫶

[@paulinethomas7676]

So glad you came back, I could see you weren't done. Excellent reaction ❤

[@RossoRosa62]

I think you would enjoy Money Game parts 1-3, those are another deep dive

[@jwarrior852]

I do not have a the information but, there's a poet on YT who was so inspired by these tales that he wrote a poem about Richard, the officer. He performed it and posted it. Wish I had the info but, maybe someone on here does. I was reminded of it because you've brought up Richard a couple of times, and the effect of shooting a teen boy would have on him.

[@brycobc]

It's on @HeartSupport channel. "A Continuation of the Tale of Jenny and Screech"

[@iamsquatty]

The tales are a modern day Shakespearean tragedy. Its so crazy how much of a master story teller he is 🥹💜

[@iamlpinthe312]

The miracle is that Jenny and Screech found their way back to each other. The tragedy ( truly Shakespearean) is that it was in death.

[@Bob-wv7ed]

Love your recognition of the intricacies of REN’s gift. One listen/reaction is clearly not enough to grasp the depth of the message he’s portraying. He is here at this moment in time to educate us as we enter a crossroads for the human race. Either we decide to care about each other, and the planet we call home, or the planet will decide to extinguish us. We won’t destroy the planet,because the planet will choose to eliminate us if we continue our current path. People created religion, people created money, people created borders. Have you met people??? WTF.

[@PippaHinchleyComedy]

The 'such a shame' line is one part if this that's true. Ren was inspired by a story in the news about a 14 year old who killed someone and the police at a news conference said 'ut's such a shame'. The rest - which is 99% is all Ren!

[@neilfromstan]

How about, Screech's friend Patrick was out because he was with Screech's "babe". Jenny was a child prostitute "she walked the streets about a thousand times before". Is Stevie or Violet's father the twins father?I I don't think anyone has yet mentioned that Screech gets his name from the sound of the soles of his shoes. Violet's mother was a drinker because she was aware of what her husband was doing. Getting away from the story to some gear facts Ren plays a Taylor acoustic in Jenny's tale, but changed to a Cordoba flamenco guitar for the subsequent tales, the Cordoba features a lot in Ren's videos he obviously prefers it to a classical guitar probably for its percussive sound and fret buzz which you don't get with a classical guitar. Once again a great reaction mate.

[@A-AronReacts]

Geez... you've given this some thought! Haha I mean that in a good way. Thanks

[@Sky14318]

I thought Ren publicly clarified that he did not write Jenny as a sex worker?

[@Sky14318]

Although the “real Jenny” was? But Ren said he didn’t write “his Jenny” as a prostitute? Could be wrong but I thought I heard that.

[@neilfromstan]

You may be right I've not seen that myself. I think the lyrics point to it I'm not sure how else you could read it.

[@chardington3412]

@@neilfromstan Reading the lyrics - she may just be a "party girl" and on her way home from a night out with friends on the club scene. Keep in mind, this is London not in US where the 21 year rule is kept very strictly.

[@WeeFlyMan]

Thought you'd be back! I've been mulling this one over on and off for the last month since I first heard it.

[@simoncooper6939]

In my opinion, Violets children were from her father, the Grandfather, not Stevie, which is why Stevie kept calling Violet a slut, he somehow knew that the children were not his.

[@Colleen_OH]

Great follow-up! Ren released Jenny’s Tale in February 2019 and Screech’s Tale in September 2019. Violet’s Tale wasn’t released until July 2022. I don’t think Violet existed in his mind at the time of writing about Jenny and Screech but, once again, is proof of Ren’s genius.

[@LoutTsu]

I've heard Ren say he did have the overall story line in mind at the beginning.

[@majbrat]

It is very impactful. Such an important social commentary. Generational trauma has been researched and found to happen.

[@nerdywordyprincess8499]

Some fun? Facts about these tales. This story was inspired by the murder of a sex worker and the news calling it a shame. The tale of Jenny and Screech was released in 2019. If you subtract 14 years (so Jenny and Screech's age) you get 2005 (London City, far from pretty, 2005- Violet's tale) Patrick (Screech's friend) and Screech's girlfriend were both unavailable because they were busy together.

[@Skybolt211]

On the tragedy or miracle deal, I think it has to do with the whole last section, which is very clever. Going all the way back to the beginning where he starts that paragraph... he says Violet "just lost the fight to stay alive." That's really the end of the story. What comes after that is a recap (referring to the VERY end of the story, which we now know is that Screech and Jenny are dead, and now how they are connected). But it works for the beginning, as well. "A tragedy, or a miracle? It happened on these very streets. Two twins aligned side by side, a girl named Jenny, and a boy called Screech." So I think that while most people think of the twins side by side is referring to them being in the hospital, just being born, and though it applies that way as well, it's even more leaning towards it being them at the END of their lives... when they are lying side by side in the streets. (One street apart.) The reason I was say that is because, "it happened on these very streets" would apply better literally to their later encounter, than being born on the streets, since they were in hospital. (Although it still works about the birth because the whole drama kinda plays out in the "streets".) Ren also called him Screech in that sentence, which technically, he would been known as James at that point in his life... although, overall, that person did become known as Screech, so it still works both ways. Okay, now the tragedy and miracle part can refer to several different things depending on whether you're thing about paragraph being their birth or after death. If just about their birth, is it a "tragedy" that Violet was murdered or is it a "miracle" that the doctor was able to rescue the twins and keep them alive, per Violet's dying wish. Sidenote: which in itself is violent. Probably a C-section in which a scalpel (knife) is used by the doctor to cut Violet open and rescue the twins, so interesting how a knife was also involved in both of their deaths. And pooor Violet, died without ever knowing whether her babies were saved, probably never even knew that she had twins, died hoping somehow her "child" could have a good life. Question, do you wonder if she could have known her 14yo son would murder her 14yo daughter, after both having hard lives, would she have just preferred they died innocently there in childbirth with her? That would be the second meaning of the tragedy or miracle question. Is the twins birth a tragedy because they had hard lives growing up and Jenny ends up being murdered by her brother, or a miracle, because hey, any new life is a miracle and sacred and awesome, even under those circumstances? OR maybe the tragedy or miracle at the end is actually to do with their death, them lying side by side in the streets since the rest of those lyrics there fit that scenario even better, like I mentioned above. In that case, was it a "tragedy" (a poor girl was murdered and her brother shot to death by police, 2 lives lost) or a "miracle" (Jenny, hating her life and wanting to escape, finally does. Or that Screech, who is a violent young youth who will spend his life committing crimes where more innocent lives might be lost, is neutralized as he was charging the police officer, attempting to kill Richard with his knife. I mean, wouldn't it have been better if Stevie would have had an unfortunate accident that took his life before he able to beat Violet to death?) Just blows me away how cleverly written and connected his stories and lyrics are.

[@A-AronReacts]

Amazing stuff..thank you

[@slayerrocks2]

I take the miracle as being the mortal collision of the separated twins, 14 years from the last time they were together. Born and died at the same time.

[@Bob-wv7ed]

Wow… I just read some other comments.Ren is touching a part of the souls in us followers that we didn’t or couldn’t express. He gives a voice to those concerned with the continuance of the human race. We either figure this shit out, or we will be replaced with the next iteration of life on earth. Our planet is perfectly positioned in the universe we reside in, to support life. But… the life that currently exists here is unable to recognize what’s important! Civility, empathy, acceptance. WTF. The earth is one third land. And we can’t figure out how to work together. We suck as a species. We don’t deserve this planet. Unless we listen to REN’s message to the wise!

[@Sky14318]

“Our fate could be the same without this story to the wise!” Genius.

[@Bob-wv7ed]

You get it! Nothing about this journey we Ren fans are on is normal. Something very different, and very special is happening here. It’s both exciting, yet scary. REN’s illness is an integral part of his greatness and wisdom. We can only hope that his current health setback is a continuation of his unique ability to convert his own suffering into intellectual messages of hope for others. Something very special about this weird, quirky, peaky blinders guy!!! I haven’t figured it all out yet but it’s very intriguing.

[@dlbwoodbury]

@@Bob-wv7edYes, I agree, the journey is not normal… it is extraordinary!

[@Bob-wv7ed]

Do you ever remember an artist that created this amount of deep intellectual introspective analysis of the human condition?? I say, no. Welcome. The”life before hearing Ren, versus the life after hearing Ren” comment was very prophetic.

[@1individeo]

There are actually a few like Akala, Dave or Freddy Mercury...all brits like Ren.... also go check the song "Regulate" by Warren G.. you'll be surprised.... the thing about Ren is not what he says, it is about how he delivers it.

[@scootaymildo1070]

Ren is right up there for sure but I'd suggest pretty much anything by Elliot Smith if you haven't listened to him before, as far as introspection is concerned he's a master. The album 'Ants from up there" by Black Country, New Road is also special, unfortunately the making of that album (amongst other things, I'm sure) took such a toll on the the frontman, Isaac Wood, that he quit as soon as it was finished. Its essentially a break-up album but done in the most intelligent and heartbreaking way.

[@oistroplex]

​@@1individeo Dave's "Lesley" would be an interesting follow on from this

[@Bob-wv7ed]

In response I love Elliott Smith. A tortured soul with a message. I also like Black Country New Road. I am a lifelong Peter Gabriel fan. Seen him ten times live. Performance artist like Ren. Also love Laurie Anderson, Bowie, Talking Heads, King Crimson etc. Ren is special!

[@jasonhaugen7736]

Wait till you go down farther into the Ren Rabit Hole, singing, rapping, playing, videos, producing his own beats and music....he is a once-in-a-lifetime artistic genius

[@nicolefagala3270]

Wow❤

[@musochickburns8212]

💕💕💕💕💕

[@The_WarRen]

Don't get too hung up on negative comments. Your reactions were great. My advice is, if the comments aren't positive, skip past and ignore. You can never please everyone.

[@darkmatter6714]

To understand the true versatility of this artist I suggest you react to “Freckled Angels”. It’s a tribute to his friend who took his life when they were teens. Then do “The Hunger.”

[@A-AronReacts]

Ok, someone commented on Freckled Angels before and I had no idea what they meant lol

[@darkmatter6714]

@@A-AronReacts 😂 Just make sure you have your box of Kleenex for Freckled Angels. For The Hunger…you’ll need your gangsta stank face on!

[@bodilfrausing7966]

Yes, "Freckeled Angel" -the audio version. ❤

[@darkmatter6714]

@@bodilfrausing7966 Both versions!

[@hollyryalsgrubb1273]

​@@bodilfrausing7966 and then compare it to the live version.

[@markwhitehouse9333]

❤❤

[@ola_q_ace]

a few days ago I read a comment from a fan who said that the names "Jenny and James" (James is Screech) are names given to body`s who could not be identified in the UK. Jenny for girls and James for boys, I don't know if this information is true, but I'm sharing it just in case.

[@charleenk71]

Abuse is often a cycle that families go through and can’t escape. This is what the trilogy was highlighting. The police officer is fine. He probably has a hot wife and a great therapist 😜

[@jasonhaugen7736]

Also, Jenny and screech, born as she died, most likely then were thrown into the system, because hopefully "stevie" went to prison for killing violate...either foster or adoption because they didn'tknow eachother. So they both had to grow up with that complexity in their lives too. Or maybe even raised by violate or Stevie's family or one to each family, but ultimately may have been worse for them because of the cycle. This ultimately could go deep, and talks about that vicious generational cycle of violence and most likely poverty/inner city Rough life.

[@jasonhaugen7736]

I wrote this while watching, I see you said basically the same thing right after I hit send 😂

[@daratheresa]

Re: tiny changes having a huge influence on outcomes... there's this old movie, if pressed to pick a favorite movie ever i always choose this one, called "Run Lola Run" (or "Lola Rennt" in the original german, if you don't mind subtitles it's better this way, but there's not a ton of dialogue so it doesn't much matter) and that is the entire point of the whole movie. It is the same 20 minutes 3 times over, with a difference of only 3 or 4 seconds in the chain of events at the beginning of the 20 minutes, but those few seconds vastly change the outcome of the two main characters as well as anyone they interact with. You should check it out if you like to ponder these sorts of things.

[@patistawicka6615]

Please react to Su...ic!de by Ren!!! ❤❤❤ love Your reaction You are full professional

[@patistawicka6615]

@a-aronreact thank You 4 the heart reaction. Can I tell You the song I ask Ren wrote after he could't help his friend unalive himself. Storry is from point of view of two sides. Really really good beat and another side of Ren. He also donated money for the crew of first response team who tried to help that night. Hope i got Your attention tho its an unpoppular request I feel like You might be interested and make a good reaction.😊

[@Sky14318]

While we’ve got you here and active: REN’s Back on 74/Message in a Bottle will cheer you up. It’s fun. If you want to diver deeper into the deep, serious masterpieces: MONEY GAME TRILOGY. #1: Music video. #2-Lyric video. #3-Music video. Want me to jump for joy….? Do em all in one video! Hahaha. Great reaction to The tragic Tales. ☮️♥️

[@Sky14318]

Woooow. I typed “diver deeper into the deep”. Wth. Hahaha. Sorry. It’s late. 😆

[@chardington3412]

There will be way too much information in Money Game all 3 videos, for anyone to manage. So I sincerely advise not to attempt that. The third part in it self can make for hours of analysis.

[@Skybolt211]

Pretty sure Stevie was the dad... we don't have enough info to know exactly what all Violet's dad was doing, but we DO know that Stevie was violent and beating her, Screech was violent... carried a knife, used it, "never missed a fight", etc. Stevie would get drunk or high and get enraged about Violet being calm, still, and silent which she did to handle trauma, Jenny had the same reaction to confrontation with Screech, she couldn't speak, move, or do anything. Screech, who had smoking ganga (high like his dad), loses his mind when Jenny doesn't react to him, does violence way worse than he was planning to do, and ends up killing Jenny, just like his dad does his mom. Also, we more evidence of how Stevie speaks to women when he's calling Violet names, and Screech uses some of the same words for Jenny. I know some of that would be environmental and not genetic, but I think Ren, in his complex mind which loves to interconnect words - songs - ideas - concepts - plot - makes Screech have traits of his dad on purpose, in order to give us clues of their identity...

[@Dr.Brummel]

There is a great reaction video by Stuart J Randall to the Tales that deals with the topic. He is a psychotherapist himself and works with juvenile delinquents: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXLFhGhuidx4fLc And I recently stumbled over this great idea of a song: Jenny & Screech - BUT THINGS TURN OUT OKAY! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYXNl62qgbZnq8k The song is created with help of AI but I love it anyways. It's done with a lot of love. And I love the idea that the story might turn out different in another universe. There's also a Richard's Tale on that channel. It's so great how Ren inspires people to get creative.

[@FooDogDat]

Multigenerational trauma, where did it begin? We see roots of Jenny and James trauma, both 'nature' of their parents, and the 'nurture' or lack thereof of the foster care system they were likely placed in. The mother of Violet, like many women often feel, or simply have limited options to escape, feel trapped, even when their children are suffering abuse. Which is also felt as a betrayal to the children, and this practiced ignoring, you don't see what you see, hear what you hear, feel what you feel, becomes a practice of silence. For males this can turn into self-loathing and hatred expressed in episodes of rage and violence. In many societies there is often an underclass 'other,' subjected to systematized abuse, but likely no other condition sets up the conditions for individuals to act out pathologically to their families than the experiences of war. Imagine all the returning veterans who suppress their trauma of what they saw, experienced, or worse, what they did. Substance abuse, verbal/physical abuse, sexual violence, all much higher in such a cohort. Then those children of veterans carry the scars and act out behaviors rooted in their trauma.

[@gminusmark]

My Understanding is that the original Jenny & Screech 2 songs were based on a true story where a 14 year old boy killed a streetwalker & was then killed by the cops, The story at that time reflected just that, Jenny in that case was an adult, in High heel shoes, Violet followed much later & I think it was at that point that the story changed introducing Violet as the mother, there's often confusion thinking the original story had a 14 year old sex worker, The narrative changed later turning Jenny into maybe an innocent School Girl.

[@karend1577]

Hi A-Aron, as you are the reactor watching a video the first time, I don't expect you to get it the first time (or right away.) Please don't let your viewers' comments get to you. At least you figured they were siblings and twins. A few reactors missed that! ... You Do You.

[@kujobeatdown]

Babe and Patrick could not help because they've been together, cheating on screech

[@rickrack4812]

Further I surmised that jenny was aware of the notorious, wreckless "screech " n the neighborhood. This may be why she froze like a statue in high heel shoes. But speaking of which jenny was fourteen years old as well and wearing high heel shoes out on the streets late at night? Do the math.

[@jabo22]

I'm in the camp that thinks Jenny was a 14 yr old prostitute, hence the lines " ,Well, she knew this town, she KNEW this floor ,BECAUSE she'd WALKED it about a thousand times before She WANTED TO ESCAPE, can you blame"

[@thisaussieshiela]

Yes and she's been doing it for over a year, so at least 13 😢

[@alisonshoobert6260]

Ren has said she wasn’t a prostitute. He said it when asked on a live.

[@LHartman-gj7dl]

I agree, I know apparently Ren has said she wasn't, but that surprised me because usually he'd say it's up to us to interpret. I think all the clues that she is street walker are in the songs themselves. Why else would a 14 year old in make up and high heels be walking those streets a 1000 times at that time of night? 🖤

[@alisonshoobert6260]

@@LHartman-gj7dl All I know when watching the live he seemed taken aback by the question and said “ I hope not, she had enough problems already” so it looked like that was not on his mind when he wrote it. So it can be whatever we want it to be, but was not his intent. Just relaying info from the horses mouth 🙂

[@Seelieness]

My take on the tragedy or miracle line is that it's tragic that they were born together in the same time and place as they were twins, but also died together in the same time and place. It's a desperate tale of generational dysfunction. Here we have just 3 generations of abuse, sexual abuse and addiction. How many more generations going back does this go? Violet's parents were messed up and were probably that way because their parents were also dysfunctional and so it goes back in time. There's a vicious cycle that none of them have been able to break out of.

[@Seelieness]

Also your musings on the butterfly effect was a first :). One thing you might want to do to get some very interesting perspective the life Violet, Jenny and Screech probably had is watch Born on the Breadline (Poverty Documentary) or the Skint and it's easy to see how these kids at 14 could find themselves in this situation. As Ren says, "It's such a shame."

[@rickrack4812]

Because it was twins, I had formed the thought that it was more Probably her father's doing to impregnate her. Biological nature causes a higher propensity for twins when the gene pool gets small. Genetics... One has to surmise that ren believes that genetics is a high factor.

[@Lynds77]

Why does this have a fundraiser option? Fundraising for what?

[@A-AronReacts]

Look at it.... For mental health. They gave me an option so I thought supporting mental health made sense. I'm not directly connected to it other than YT suggested it

[@kujobeatdown]

Screech stole Ren's phone and posted about his life, before he met jenny. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHqmp413iJZ5iJI

[@victoriawoollard3153]

Throughout Ren’s work is a critique of the paternal function as defective, absent, leaving in its place a greedy violator. Either adopt this heritage and follow in his footsteps or become a heretic, in other words, an artist. It is clear the choice Ren has made.

[@victoriawoollard3153]

PS. Huge ethical question concerning nature/nurture : the technology/science/capitalism discourse wants the cause to be in our genes, this implies your destiny is written and you have no choice, the point you make about decisions is crucial, freedom to choose. Ren, victim of a tick, but what did he choose to do with it. Power. What is difficult is to recognise that some choices we have made are unconscious. Dirty word ‘The unconscious’ in our neurone hungry world ; this is our tragedy.

[@tiamariamunro]

(tw)intuition? bugging her & making her so scared... 🤯

[@charleenk71]

Violet was sexually abused by her father. She was physically abused by her boyfriend. Abuse is abuse. Check the lyrics. Everyone misses that Jenny is also 14

[@Skybolt211]

Guess you didn't watch this video where he clearly says this ^^^^ and ^^^^. But thanks for letting him know again, just in case he forgot. 👍

[@charleenk71]

@@Skybolt211 you’re welcome. I did watch the video. Have a great evening. I was just listening to Ren Masochist.

[@charleenk71]

People say that violet was pregnant BY her father which makes sense

[@A-AronReacts]

It IS possible and something I mentioned here. But I'm curious, is there any empirical evidence?

[@charleenk71]

@@A-AronReacts no evidence that I’m aware of.

[@allybandy3047]

@@A-AronReacts There is the verse: She moved out at sixteen A semi-detached council flat "Paid for by a welfare-scheme" Getting the welfare would require her to be pregnant...leads to the belief that it was the father. Also, James calls her a slut, indicating that she was not a virgin when they met, and she was pregnant...possibly a trigger for his anger and beating her.

[@Sky14318]

Someone from the UK said something about you can only get welfare council flats at 16 if you are pregnant. I’m not sure if that’s true BUT, if it is, then one would assume that Violet was pregnant when she “moved out at 16”. Also, Stevie repeatedly calls Violet a liar. Perhaps she claimed Stevie was the father but he knew/suspected that he wasn’t? I don’t think that Ren has clarified his thoughts publicly. ☮️♥️

[@allybandy3047]

@@Sky14318 ♥ The whole song is full of so many gems. Even the choice of Violet's name, quiet person referred to as a shrinking violet.

[@FonWin]

The one thing I think Ren could have added to the story, is if he had named Violet's father "Richard".

[@REN4eva]

But why?

[@oistroplex]

Or if the policeman was named *Stevie"

[@FonWin]

@@REN4eva Richard was the officer that shot Screech.

[@A-AronReacts]

Yeah exactly. I really felt like there would be a connection. Maybe he still has plans up his sleeves for that one? Muahahah

[@REN4eva]

@@A-AronReacts Ren has clearly stated that there will be no more parts to this tale. My personal opinion is that it would totally ruin a perfectly plausible story of generational violence and turn it into a ridiculous parody of itself. Enough is enough!

[@charleenk71]

Generational trauma

[@NilZed1]

Sadly there is a small but busily typing subset of Ren trolls masquerading as fans m, they are evidently unaffected by his message so cannot be Renegades, who are rude and demanding. No matter what a reactor does or doesn’t do or what the understand or miss these trolls are ever ready to try to beat down new reactors. We should do a better job of warning new reactors to disregard them. It is good, for different reasons, not to have captioning on for this or Hi Ren, but lyrics in another window are good. Beyond these two it really doesn’t matter much.

[@robfrommich]

Why you such a liar? could it be her pregnancy was from her father and not from Stevie? :)