ANGRY RANT: 13 reasons why ( Season 3, 2 & 1)

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[@nayeonswife6994]

zach is the character the creators tried to villianize but instead made us ONLY like him

[@asheniza1168]

A great example of an unintentionally sympathetic

[@pacrat6271]

He’s the best n deserved better

[@dalepicke2212]

It reminds me of Jade in Victorious, she was much more licked than the main character: Tori. But they try to make her the "mean" one. Smh.

[@alfredocarrillo1860]

Nah I hated Zach....or maybe I just don’t like the actor idk

[@froxicroak5516]

like burt hummel and sue sylvestee

[@gr3yb4lls]

I feel bad for the actors that have been harrassed just because they played a "bad guy" role in a show.

[@_Hanzo_Gaming]

ikr ive seen bryces insta comments when 13 reasons why first came out and ppl were vile

[@juliuswilliams8307]

It was just as bad for Ani's actor. It got so bad that he had deactivated her insta.

[@dyamondwomack549]

@@_Hanzo_Gaming bruh really lol I always knew it was fake I just thought he was a real good actor. I hate his character bryce but not him

[@LowPing156]

Hate the writers and characters not the actors and actresses

[@childofthelivinggod.]

I really hate when people do this :< learn to separate the actor from the person portrayed in the film..don't harass the actor for being so good at portraying a terrible person-- I-

[@idontknow9994]

it's funny how fans of the show are bullying the actors when the "message" of the show is to make people more aware about things like bullying

[@akane361]

True

[@dyamondwomack549]

Not me I honestly am a fan of the show but never bullied anyone on there

[@Reizadora]

This way they found out that the show didn't deliver the right message to everyone, some people misunderstood

[@akane361]

@@Reizadora it's not the show that didn't send the right message, it's the people who misunderstood.

[@Reizadora]

@@akane361 yeah, you're probably right

[@mandisamtimkulu7238]

I just don't stand for the MFs who actually attacked the actors for the roles they played. Really people, really?

[@melancholy771]

yeah, i mean, this is their roles i guess but not their actual personalities!

[@jacquelinespot7136]

Just two words: immature people

[@thebettermariah7753]

Most likely pre-teen/teenagers who shouldn’t have been watching the show in the first place 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@smileymctrashbag]

@@thebettermariah7753 Yeah, the most relatable group wasn't supposed to watch.

[@dylan23231]

Annie really thinks she’s Sherlock Holmes and a therapist in one 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@vic_cresss]

DYLAN She’s the most annoying character fr 🙄😂

[@fifthseas0n]

Deadass bitch be everywhere and nowhere at the same time 😒

[@Xehanort10]

She seemed to pop up out of nowhere in Season 3 after not being seen or mentioned in 1 or 2. Her somehow knowing everyone and everything about everyone was weird too.

[@miisfits-1740]

@@Xehanort10 she's y/n, she probably just watched the show 🤣

[@kiscardigan]

I HATED ani to the fucking MAX - like to the point where I liked Hannah 100% better then her- she just royally pissed me off 🙄

[@jupiter5128]

Who the hell is dumb enough to not seperate actors from their roles? So much for anti-bullying.

[@shayla106]

If these people can’t separate they either to young or they need mental help. It’s like those fans who think actors should get together in real life.

[@VampKat]

I mean they were dumb enough for to like the show so-

[@miki2849]

Omg some people did the same thing for a character’s voice actress that was kinda difficult to kill in this game, people would boo her in events etc people are so embarrassing

[@renflower1910]

@@miki2849 Really? People are so ridiculous

[@Justme9864.]

@@miki2849 what game if I may ask?

[@cactusjuice5324]

"Dead girls don't lie" is such a cool title🤤... it even sounds more intriguing

[@ChrisBrown-cp1ex]

😍

[@samofsamnation7523]

Eh.... i dunno about the drooling face there bruh.

[@user-bf8me2tw4u]

Ey cactus juice-

[@judy2381]

@@user-bf8me2tw4u sokka = 🤤

[@user-bf8me2tw4u]

@@judy2381 YAA THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING OMGGG

[@olrinajhynise]

Hannah: *GET OUT!* Them: **leaves** Hannah: **surprised pikachu face**

[@tamasan1281]

She told him to leave. So he left.. WHY IS THIS LADY SO CONFUSED!?

[@egon2499]

@@tamasan1281 Because she expected him to think that girls always mean the opposite.

[@ded499]

Best comment

[@re3171]

@@egon2499 oh so she’s one of those

[@flops4life999]

I need time stamps

[@beagreen2333]

It felt to me like Hannah was looking for reasons. And that a super unhealthy message

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

yeah, pretty much

[@Anijah2001]

Yeah she just wanted an excuse she didn't really had any good reasons

[@beagreen2333]

Anijah Connor I think she probably had mental problems they just didn't poetry them correctly at all.

[@AlienZizi]

that could have been an interesting way to go about it, yknow, calling hannah out and focusing on the characters trying to deal with her shitty actions. but alas

[@sw4gito]

Anijah Connor I think the rape and bullying could be a reason but all the stupid stuff not really

[@appleychu7050]

"get out!!" "why did you leave?" BRUH she just yelled at him after they were gonna have sex, of course he's gonna leave. He probably felt like he took advantage of her or something, after something like that he's not gonna try to stay?????

[@roy8794]

also yelling " GET OUT " at someone like him probs gonna have him think his insecurties SO BAD so that was an additional reason for him to leave and never look back XD

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

some ppl that aren’t in a good mental state say things they don’t mean…try and think how she is feeling rn jesus christ tf

[@MiraculousDisneyILadybug]

@@sm1purplmurderedme583 well sure we see her side but nobody would understand that she wanted the opposite if she's clearly saying another thing she was screaming get out so he got out because he didn't wanna disturb her wouldn't you leave too if somebody told you to leave especially if you are in a bad mental state yourself like he apparently was.

[@teambff484]

@@sm1purplmurderedme583 certainly but, I don't think she had to "blame" the fact he left. Like, I have mental disorders, I often said on crisis things I don't think or don't want to say, and always after I'm more like I'm blaming myself for doing that more that blaming on people because I know they'll not know what I was thinking

[@Kagome1991Kag]

Hannah was starting to get pretty irrational. When people are depressed they want help but at the same time they don’t accept it. They get self destructive, they are not rational.

[@Hakuismyman715]

The thing is... this show is about teens and teens are also immature and irrational. In addition to having mental illness, it becomes blinding and shapes your perception and reaction to events. Yes her actions were irrational at times but to judge her so harshly from a point of view of being more emotionally mature and not having mental illness during similar events is ignorant. I think MANY teens going through the things Hannah did would react the way she did to some things. I don't condone the guilt tripping and blaming for most of the characters (Bryce deserves to be guilt tripped he's a fucking rapist) but the show is trying to get people to empathize with the characters struggles and try to understand where they're coming from.

[@nonlinearbeing]

But the show didn’t really portray or point out her as irrational tho in fact the whole concept of the show justifies her narcissism. And if they tried they didn’t really do a good job at it. Like she said in the video they didn’t rlly tie anything to mental illness like they should’ve

[@karimmarinocastromartinez34]

Her characyer is pretty anoying people offer help and tried to help her but she refuse it and expect people to just turn around when she clearly reject it and then blame them 😅

[@SapphireBurns]

To be fair all we could do was infer that Hannah was mentally ill. I didn't even get a diagnosis until my first suicide attempt. And she wasn't being "narcissistic". People with severe depression can have traits that make them more ego centric. Especially when it comes from trauma. I hate how people are like "I dOn'T uNdErStAnD wHy ShE kILLeD hErSeLf". Its called 13 reasons why as in 13 reasons why she chose to kill herself. But most importantly its HER 13 reasons why. She didn't tell Jessica that because she was raped that she should also think about killing herself. And in response to people saying that the increase in teen suicide is directly linked with 13 reason why are downplaying mental illness. Teen suicide has been going up regardless and it has more to do with the society that we have brought them up in. These teens were thinking about killing themselves before the show. All the show did was show them a character that they heavily related to because of mutual trauma and just like how hannah was a misunderstood teen among her peers and the adults in her life, they probably felt the same way. And I'm not saying that anyone should be blamed for suicide, but maybe if some of these teens were already in therapy or if their parents were more involved in their kids life, maybe they would have been able to focus on the bigger issue. The people that talk about 13 reason why poorly portraying mental illness always seems to come from the very people who either dont suffer from mental illness themself or people who think that their mild depression and had maybe one thought of suicide is the same as someone going through multiple hospitalizations or having a diagnosis like Bipolar, Borderline personality disorder, severe depression, PTSD, or even just severe anxiety. The show sucks but for 13 reasons other than its portrayal of mental illness. I admit that it triggered me watching it but it was because it felt spot on to how I felt. The only thing I disagreed with was her sending out the tapes because that made things worse for the other characters but at the same time I've had moments where I was angry at the people closest to me because I felt betrayed by them and wanted to kill myself and let them know how much they hurt me. In fact I feel like if went through what hannah did in high school without therapy, I probably would have done the same thing or at least left a note and let them know that I was hurting and why I was hurting. My father even tried to deny I had a mental illness before getting me a therapist, so the events that happened in the book/show aren't as far fetched as people are trying to make it seem.

[@karimmarinocastromartinez34]

@@SapphireBurns to be fair this series made the wors portraid of someone with depresion or a mental problems this series to me did the oposite of what it was inted to do

[@ringo330]

Tw: mentions of rape and suicide 9:33 although I have not been sexually assaulted, I have been suicidal so I wanna challenge this thought. Rape is extremely damaging to the brain and for some ppl the flashbacks get so intense and real that it is hard to deal with it. Without proper therapy and treatment (which Hannah didnt have) it is highly likely that someone could commit suicide because of such an event.

[@ringo330]

I dont want to imply it's ok to blame anyone for a suicide, but clearly there are times when other people can influence a decision such as that

[@daisy-ss7cu]

thank you, i am late, but you expressed it well.

[@nansiipii9018]

@@ringo330 no we can blame Bryce he is the reason she killed herself

[@dione__fernnn]

ive had suicidal thoughts because of SA, and i wholeheartedly agree.

[@dione__fernnn]

but to add, she DID have a good support system and therapy. she just didnt take it. at thta point she just WANTED to die. she was too far gone. people only get better if they WANT to get better. thats why mental illness is so, so, goddamn diffucult.

[@alexn.2901]

You gotta stop telling people the opposite of what you really want. They can't read your mind.

[@samira_360]

Alex N. Wdym?

[@sharonr.8840]

I think this person’s talking about Hannah Baker

[@mediaguyking7045]

It seems she’s just very confused, and doesn’t know what she wants, but wants people to automatically know what she wants or needs

[@MorganYou]

@@mediaguyking7045 Hanna "Know what I want when I don't even know what I want" Baker

[@hannap8052]

@@mediaguyking7045 yes, and I think it should've been clearly acknowledged that she has some kind of attention deficit, it could be a symptom of mental illness, but it showed it like it's normal to expect someone to read your mind, and it's someone's fault if they don't

[@renflower1910]

I can name 13 reasons why this show should not exist but you nailed it with this rant.

[@professionalobese5529]

Oh damn

[@gray436]

I'm sorry but I cant help but laugh at ur username-😂😭

[@renflower1910]

@@gray436 Thanks haha

[@AlexParkYT]

Really? Only 13 lol

[@renflower1910]

@@AlexParkYT Nah lol I got more. I said 13 as a joke :)

[@arjuscarlet55555]

I actually feel bad for them for being hated in reality for just doing their job.

[@noriii]

same. not their fault they got a shitty script.

[@aerchii8643]

I really felt uncomfortable with how you addressed what's wrong with Hannah's tape about Bryce. The fact that Hannah felt suicidal is NOT what's wrong with Hannah's tape. In fact, that's a very valid reason to feel suicidal and traumatized. First I wanna say you were very vague about what was wrong with his tape so that already threw me off bc that tape, out of all of them, seemed the most important, but when you asked us to take a minute and think if his tape was really necessary, I was baffled. Sexual abuse can cause serious mental health issues, such as PTSD, and as you mentioned, mental issues is a leading factor in many suicides. So the problem with Bryce's tape was absolutely NOT her feelings towards it afterwards. The problem with Bryce's tape was how it happened in the first place. Hannah went to hang out with him, alone in a hot tub, knowing all the horrible things he's done. That's the problem. I don't know if this is what you meant or not when addressing his tape, but bc you weren't very clear, it made me uncomfortable bc it felt like, how they oversimplified suicide, for a second, you oversimplified rape. I'm not trying to start anything or assume, bc honestly most of your points were pretty valid, it's just that this one, to me, just wasn't clear enough. It's such a touchy subject, which is why I definitely wouldn't want to accuse you of meaning it in a harmful way, I just sorta wanted to be sure even though you probably won't see this comment. If anyone read all of this, thank you and correct me if I'm misunderstanding anything. Edit: I also wanna say that Bryce is at fault for her rape. Yes she did put herself in a dangerous situation, but that in no way excuses his actions.

[@unfortunateanchor1717]

Not to mention the way she minimized Hannah’s experience in the booth with Marcus

[@rupaIii]

i feel like the hot tub scene was more hannah engaging in risky, self-sabotaging behaviour. to hang out with someone who will obviously hurt you - i don't think her actions exist in a vacuum.

[@unfortunateanchor1717]

Rupalii that’s not an excuse for Bryce to rape her though. Yes, it was a risky thing to do but it sounds like you’re putting the blame of the rape on her and that’s not okay...

[@rupaIii]

Unfortunate Anchor i never said it was. op said the problem was how she purposely put herself in that situation (at least that how i interpreted it). im explaining the behaviour because i disagree

[@unfortunateanchor1717]

Rupalii ooh ok

[@trashiekpoppandagal7703]

Hannah: leave me alone!!! Person: *leaves her alone* Her: why’d you leave me alone!!? Everyone and anyone: *audible confused/frustrated noises* Her: this is why I will commit *not living* !!! Everyone once again: *screeches in pained confusion*

[@MrStealUrGirl_96]

Well basically yeah

[@RoselineJerryA]

imagine a person sees this. they take the idea that even if a girl says go away or denies consent they secretly want the person to stay. boom rape counts increase

[@emeraldsayles8025]

This is a very Ugly Show

[@elizabethdiaz6901]

Hannah it's my annoying ass self when on period 😓

[@coraliearias1103]

Hannah annoyed me

[@renflower1910]

This show is suppose to be about suicide prevention, but it raised suicide rating. It has so much stereotypes and makes it way too dramatic than it needs to be. Some things that some character do, it doesn't make sense. This show shouldn't have exist. GLEE is not a perfect show and it's focused on music. But it shows bullying, alcohol use, school shooting, depression, and so much more and does a better job than 13 reasons why.

[@user-bf9jt3mr7w]

BTSsnatchedMyWig - Exactly! Preach! Because right after this came out, teenagers suicide rate raised because this show deemed it okay to cut yourself. The show should be cancelled in my opinion. If they wanna make a show like this then they shouldn’t make it how everyone’s past is crap. Because their is more behind mental illness than sadness. People at my school love 13 reasons why and I hate it because it’s just so.. Horrible.

[@renflower1910]

@@user-bf9jt3mr7w You're completely right! This show is a joke. I can't relate to it at all. In the show, they don't act like teenagers at all.

[@lemagloria]

Omg I sane opinion thanks! Peoples think I'm crazy to not liking this show lol

[@renflower1910]

@@lemagloria Your not crazy, your fine. I'm glad to know that there are other people who dislike it.

[@kv6793]

I wouldn't necessarily say it raised suicide ratings per say. There was a definite correlation between the 2, but statistically speaking saying that this show raised/caused an increase in suicide rate is incorrect.

[@jaricas8578]

I kind of understand the whole “why didn’t you stay with me even though I told you to leave” thing. As someone who has struggled with mental illness for a long time, a lot of people with depression yearn for help and comfort but tend to push people away. I’ve had similar situations where, yeah looking back on it it’s a little silly to think about, but I’ve told people to leave me alone when I really needed someone to stay.

[@jaricas8578]

Nuffles and Neline Luminals Play I completely agree! It’s just that people with mental illness tend to have a distorted view of reality. I’m not faulting him by any means for leaving, he was being respectful and didn’t want to offend her. I just mean that I can see her side of it as well, as I’ve been on both sides of that kind of situation. I just find it very upsetting that so many people are mocking Hannah over this situation when it’s a very real scenario that a lot of depressed people deal with. that doesn’t maker her blaming him for that okay but it gives reasoning behind her actions

[@princessofstars666]

I agree, but they really didn't portray it well. They could have shown that much better.

[@ayangyi]

exactly. I've pushed people away hoping they'd stay. she shouldn't blame him because he was doing what she told him to, but I understand her. still doesn't make it ok.

[@criskp6861]

I know. In some irrational way,for me, it was kind of a test. If they stayed after I tried pushing them away, it meant, for me,that they would really stay and I could trust them again.

[@whoville1064]

I agree with this, and I get it too, but it's the fact of how poorly they portrayed that feeling. Someone who has never felt like that before would never get it, and would just think of her as an attention seeker, they could've portrayed it a lot better then just those stupid two word lines..

[@mcaldasf]

I understand your view and I don't like the serie very much either. But I disagree of minimizing her problems. Hannah was clearly depressed. Bullying, abuse, being stalked, losing friends can make a people depressed. And I have to say, people depressed have like a bad filter on their perceptions of the world. So, for me, it's kinda problematic to say what feelings are "valid or not". But I agree that the serie talks about the theme in a bad way. The series can trigger a depressed person. And I believe there are ways better to talk about this theme and warning people about it.

[@bbwong4411]

These are my exact feelings thank you

[@gastounmanar9814]

That exactely what i think

[@phobiaxz]

I agree. Tbh I’m wondering where she thought depression came from, it doesn’t just come out of nowhere. Yes genetics plays into it but your surroundings also play into your depression. This video seems like a fail because there are a lot of incorrect things in it IMO.

[@succubi7892]

Exactly what I was thinking throughout this video . I love Sherliza,but I especially felt this way about the sexual assault tapes. She undermines her experience at the diner,and brings up the fact that it had happened to her as well in order to make Hanna's experience seem like nothing. People forget that Hannah was a literal child. And then she goes on to subtly victim blame by going on about how she was putting herself in danger. No . Bryce was putting her in danger. Hannah went into that tub because she was scared to deny his offer. And it made me extremely uncomfortable when she mentioned that "Bryce didn't deserve his own tape"yes,he did. And she dismisses Hannah's feelings towards literally witnessing someone getting raped. Watching someone get raped alone is extremely traumatic. And once again,Hannah was a child. A child watched someone get raped. And then she proceeds to justify what happens in the councilors office. The man literally told her to move on from being raped,and barely believed her because "a lack of evidence"and "what else could we do?". Obviously Hannah is going to be upset,she has every right to be. Sherliza was acting like Hannah owed him an explenation. She just wanted justice,she doesn't have to explain anything,she was traumatized. If someone tells you they've been raped,you believe them and you report it. Sherliza handled this terribly.

[@s.a1233]

@@succubi7892 18 years isn't a child. I understand your point but you don't need to make it seem like it was this extremely horrible thing like she was a child and stuff.

[@noodleimanoodle8010]

I have a ‘friend’ like Hannah, she blames anyone who was just a little mean to her for making her suicidal. A week ago she told me that last Halloween I made fun of her for cutting BUT SHE DIDNT EVEN TELL ME THAT SHE *THOUGHT* ABOUT CUTTING UNTIL LATE NOVEMBER, I started to feel REALLY guilty until I realized that I didn’t say anything close to that, my friends and I were just talking about random things AND IF I DID MAKE FUN OF HER MY OTHER FRIENDS WOULD TELL ME TO NOT MAKE FUN OF HER FOR THAT LMAO Also, fun fact, she made fun of me for YEARS but I didn’t blame her for completely destroying my self esteem. My real friends and I joke around with each other and we have fun doing it but she went WAYYYY too far. She made fun of things that I was already insecure about, I told her to stop but she didn’t AND NOW SHE’S BLAMING ME FOR HER WANTING TO KILL HERSELF PFFT OK. I’m definitely dropping her, I don’t care if she becomes even more ‘depressed’ she’s toxic as fuck. Oof if you read that entire thing you get a cookie 🍪

[@OneEyedCloud01]

Yeah, that was a lengthy rant lol If she does decide to actually commit suicide, just remember that you aren't responsible for other people's actions and thoughts.

[@ametista8180]

i had a “friend” like that, she would use me as her emotional punch bag, and blame me for her mental illness, sometimes she sometimes she invited me to sleep at her house, because she wasn’t feeling good, and then she would yelled at me, saying that i was horrible, and making me go way in the middle of the night, just for the other day she call me saying that she didn’t wanted me to go. She said a hundred times that she was going to commit suicide. She was toxic, she was ill, i wasn’t a friend to her, if she was my friend that relationship isn’t be so abusive. I cut all my connection to her, has been 3 years, and i feel free. She didn’t kill herself, she needed help, but i’m no nurse to take care of her. One thing is to be by the side of a friend, and support them, other thing is to be the emotional garbage of someone, and live the illusion that is ok. sorry for any mistakes, english isn’t my first language!

[@glassyoongi]

Are you okay now?

[@MeganAllen1738]

I have a friend who literally told everyone she talked to that she was suicidal. No one ever took her seriously. One time I was just like, "No you're not, you just want attention. Actual suicidal people don't walk around telling random people they're suicidal." She's stopped since then. I know this because I myself had suicidal thoughts and once I told myself if I ever think about that stuff again, just hurry up and kill myself because those feelings were really horrible. It's not like I wanted to die, I just wanted my situation to change. Suicide and mental illness aren't jokes or fads.

[@CeruleanWings]

Yay i like 🍪

[@littlefeet8447]

literally no sane person: Hannah: "if my man don't stay when I repeatedly tell him to go I'm leaving his confused ass, killing myself and leaving tapes to make him feel like it's his fault, because I have poor communication skills"

[@tiredcat6653]

periodt

[@Monie71793]

She wasn't, in any way, sane. That's the point.

[@honeydew1160]

14:56 HOW do people not pick up on how suicidal and depressed alex was? HOW are they so shocked that he attempted suicide? some of the signs weren't even subtle a list of signs: (suicidal) 1. attempting to drown himself 2. speeding and not giving a fuck about his or anyone's safety while everyone was shouting at him to slow tf down 3. tearing down suicide prevention posters "suicide's not an option? well clearly it is an option!" 4. expressing appreciation for the hungarian suicide song and leaving after his bandmate said people who find it beautiful are suicidal 5. said he had no plans for his future 6. "so if i kill myself, do you die too?" (depressed) 7. being self-destructive: engaging in violent behaviour even when he was clearly going to get hurt (fight with monty) 8. being withdrawn from his friends - he never seemed to engage in conversations unless they were talking about the tapes, never looked like he was having a good time, told people to leave him alone 9. losing interest in jazz band (quitting and calling it "pointless"), being unable to concentrate during practice 10. intense guilt for hannah's death in comparison to everyone else (other than maybe, clay) 11. emotional outbursts (when he got disproportionately worked up and because monty nearly rammed into him) 12. little appetite & threw away his lunch. unexplained body pains (alex suffers from stomach pains) are also a symptom

[@unfortunateanchor1717]

I agree, all the signs were there. I feel like the show handled his suicide better than Hannah’s

[@song7529]

he honestly had more development than hannah. though subtle, we got to see his slow descent into madness and depression.

[@jessie_4921]

OMG THANK YOU FINALLY

[@dazzlingforests1373]

That’s literally what I was going to write. Thank you for posting that

[@oh-ohstinky5819]

yep yep.

[@Tvibes_ZA]

Let’s not forget that they only started doing trigger warnings was because they didn’t do it for the first season and got backlash not only from people who watched, but the association that monitors the movies and media we watch . This show was so fucking toxic and as someone who has attempted and is still struggling with mental illness , I watched up to season 2 and felt like the show not once depicted depression realistically, or at least for me . It’s a show that was made supposedly to educate people and tell the story of many people who have mental illness and speak for them but all it does is over generalize and trigger people . I’m surprised they even made it this far by season 2. I gave up and didn’t want to watch season 3 at all

[@Spooklime]

I 100% agree.I don't think they portrayed depression at all right.also.I hope everything ends out okay with you and your struggles with mental illnes.I to had a few struggles but im a bit better now not a 100% but definitely better

[@childofthelivinggod.]

Lucky you for not watching season three 😔😔🙄 I forced myself to watch it because it was-- s o m e t h i n g ✨✨

[@FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange]

this show is just awful. it acts like all r*pe survivors want to commit suicide. and as if someone who didnt have such awful things happen to them cant have suicidal feelings. just a mess.

[@ohyouarenana5014]

UóᴥòU well Jessica is also a rape survivor and she didn’t want to necessarily commit suicide ..

[@delylagahamanyi9121]

Only Hanna did wtf???

[@heyitsari9035]

Jessica fought back towards Bryce what are you talking about 🙄😕

[@vic_cresss]

Sounds like you didn’t watch the show 🙄😂 Hannah was the only main character who did

[@FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange]

it's the fact they trivialize all these serious issues. oh you got raped and bullied? then it's totally justifiable to want to shoot up a school or commit suicide! you didnt have those things happen to you? well, then there's no excuse for you to be depressed! that's the message this show sends. the characters only defining feature is the abuse or mental illness they went through. and they can't even bother to portray those things correctly. hell, the main character's only trait is 'i had a crush on this girl and apparently i'm not as awful as the rest of the characters, have sympathy for me'. the thing with the revenge suicide is fucking awful. the whole premise sounds like a bad episode of South Park. It pisses me off how preachy they are. If they didn't claim that the show had such an important message, it would still be bad, but at least they'd acknowledge how unrealistic and stupid the show is. the only way this show could actually be meaningful, was if the story was told through Hannah, her story of recovery, her struggles of dealing with suicidal thoughts. maybe it's about her life after she tried committing suicide. she can still make the damn tapes. for all i care, make her some sort of vigilante justice fighter that finds out things about awful people and brings them to light using those tapes. no one would see the broken suicidal girl as a threat, because they wouldn't expect her to be strong. but oh wait, she's dead. just like my brain after watching 2 minutes of the show.

[@ME-hs7ll]

the Irony of them "spreading awareness" actually caused more suicides around the world. And the children followed Hannah's footsteps.

[@fluttershycookie]

M E proof?

[@lisah8438]

So you are criticizing a show because the main character blamed others for her suicide but at the same time you are blaming a show for other people suicide. Do you understand how hypocritical that is.

[@ME-hs7ll]

@@lisah8438 ?

[@ME-hs7ll]

@@fluttershycookie google.

[@lisah8438]

@@ME-hs7ll Don't act like you don't know what I am trying to say.

[@michelleyong186]

When I was in high school, a guy edited my face on a naked women. I was 13, that hurt me a lot and he was doing it for fun so that doesn’t justify his action at all. Bullying was one of the other things I had to endure in hs. Bullying leaves permanent scars and sometimes can be haunting but whenever suicide crosses my mind, it’s never because of anyone. But that’s just my experience with suicidal thoughts and tendencies. Tried to watch 13RW but I can’t even finish the first episode. But the review on the show is enough for me to know about it so I can spare myself and not get triggered if I ever decided to do watch the show again.

[@liahamilton8931]

I am so sorry that happened to you. That sounds traumatic and people like that are fucked up. I hope youre doing well

[@shijutu]

What kind of person does that to a CHILD? Seriously that could be classified as cp. What if he used a picture of someone who didn't want their picture posted to the internet? Whoever did this to you is SICK in the head and I hope you told someone about it because that is beyond messed up. You should never have to go through that alone. I am assuming he was your age too and I just wonder how cruel kids can be, like what goes on in their heads when they think ''oh this is not that bad, she'll be fine''. At 13 you understand what is okay to do and not okay. I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Hope you're doing well.

[@karimmarinocastromartinez34]

I get it as a child my father use to call me useless and stupid and sometimes slap me of beat me even and also use get bully in my Middle school alot and even my family use to made fun of me my personality was pretty quiet and introvert because i use to think life was supose to be like that after i grew out of that phase i get along with my family now but it took me a long time to recover and i some get depress but i never have tough of suicide and if i have them i always tough that it would be so guilty and sad if my mom and my grandma found me dead bullying it is not funny and it can be very dangerous but it not a reason for people to suicide, is stupid to think that going to a phycologyst made you crazy

[@bentewellsiamgod6298]

I’m sorry but you were 13 in high school???

[@user_24877_]

@@bentewellsiamgod6298 in some countries, at the age of 13 you're in high school. where I live, at the age of 12/13 you're already a freshman, they just skip middle school

[@c4talystcathars1s]

13 Reasons Why is terrible but.... that comment about Bryce raping Hannah was not it

[@mrkl6996]

Yea exactly

[@priceymashups7692]

I agree with mostly everything you say! The only thing I don’t agree with is that 16-17 year olds should play the characters because there is sexual and graphic content. They should just pick young adults to play them instead of actual adults like euphoria. Most of them are 21-23 and they can pull off a teen look. I also feel like Tyler’s character is the most accurate but I haven’t watched the show because it’s very triggering so I wouldn’t know for sure!

[@renflower1910]

Yea I was thinking the same. I feel like they should have got young adults or at least have adults that look young.

[@priceymashups7692]

BTSsnatchedMyWig exactly! And it’s not that hard to do so especially since I heard that 13 reasons why even had open auditions, they are probably a lot of young adults who auditioned.

[@delylagahamanyi9121]

All of them are young adults though??

[@renflower1910]

@@delylagahamanyi9121 True but most of them don't look like teens. That's why they should of at least got young adults that look younger than their age.

[@delylagahamanyi9121]

@@renflower1910 have you seen any teen dramas??? NONE OF THEM LOOK LIKE TEENS. And what if the ones that did look like TEENS were awful actors??

[@ahsholic1859]

You dont always see the symptoms on suicidal ppl. They should have shown that more on the show. They should have shown how much build up Hannah had before she snapped, not just how she acted around others pissed and angry. They should had more clips where she was alone, sad and thinking about all the stuff she has gone thru. I have read couple of suicide letters myself and have never met one where they blame ppl about stuff. They usually think they are ones to blame, they suck and that everything happening is their fault wich is not the case. Instead of blaming others on the show, I think they should have shown how Hannah felt guilty about stuff. Not how she felt like others are the reason she commited suicide. Also.. dont romanticize suicide like this show did. Show makes it seen its easier to end it all than go thru it all. Show more how it affected family and friends, how its hard to find routines after losing someone. Dont act like its just going to be normal and loving after someone dies.

[@son5051]

i dont think you actually watched the show? the lives of hannah's family was hell, her social circle was fucked after it and bryce even died in part due to her suicide. i wouldnt say hannah was depressed but that she was borderline, and as someone with borderline i find a lot of myself in hannah and it in no way romanticizes it, it shows it as the real fucking mess that it is

[@baio__5077]

Exactly exactly expected exactly exactly exactlllllyyyyyyy

[@shayla106]

Saturne Really because in death she got revenge in all the people she wanted. She got to have the last word. We get to see a hole school affect by her death (which doesn’t happen in real life). We see people constant blaming themselves. This tell mentally ill attention seekers, see how much people will care if you kill yourself? Heck, she even has a romantic interest so hung up on her he sees her everywhere. Yeah, no romanizing at all, if you like fine. But as every professional has said it is romanizing suicide.

[@ahsholic1859]

Saturne I have watched all of the 3 seasons and cannot relate any of them. Even if she had borderline, they should have shown it better. Show how she suffers on the inside. Show the ppl the other side of her, not just how she couldnt socialize with others. I have been diagnosed w depression 2014 and i have had my good days but most of them are bad. And in my opinion they are only showing the middle part of it. How Hannah is pissed but not what all drove her at that point and how she really feels. And yeah, they are romanticizing her, making it seem like everyone is missing her, how she was right, making it seem like suicide is an option (there is atleast 4 suicide attempts in the show; Hannah, Tyler, Alex and Bryce) and suddenly you’re getting help after the attempt. It doesnt go like that. Not everyone tells if they tried to kill theirselfs and gets help, its not that simple and easy. They should show that. They should bring up how guilty others felt, how it wasnt so easy to move on with life like Hannah’s father had. He suddenly got new family, no. Its not that easy and i know it because ive been thru it.

[@user-wg3js6uv7z]

I watch Suicide Room, and how he act after eat lots of pills at once to kill himself is really scary, coz he keep saying he regret and try so hard to throw up so he can survive, also he keep saying want to see his mom and dad.

[@shyguyshogaiandanyancat6490]

i agree with most of your points, but saying "s*icide is only the person's own fault" is totally wrong. yes, they take their own life, but it is almost never *their* fault. mental illness is a large factor but things like abuse, bullying, rape, etc, are also major factors.

[@PrincessOfTheWholeUniverse]

But the thing is, when a person is suicidal, they think they're the only thing wrong and must be gotten rid of. The show and book didn't give that information in there.

[@neobonney]

I think fault was the wrong wording. I'd more say responsibility, since I don't fully disagree with her point.

[@cupio-stardust]

She reminds me of my dad, and that’s someone you do not wanna be compared with. 🙄

[@gabezwurld9615]

“All my scars are on the inside” Wow so edgy

[@yasmeenrashid4106]

Haha. Ikr Kim. There are people dying.

[@jocelynlin6044]

@@yasmeenrashid4106 hahahahahahaahha! Golden😂😂😂

[@acid0277]

Yeah the shoe in general is just fucking bad tbh. They tried to make it "educational" but it just came out looking lile mental illness and suicide is cute and edgy and that its cool. Its not. They should of got better writers but ofc Netflix couldn't be assed.

[@lailaj4011]

I feel like this show encourages people to victimise themselves and blame others for their suicidal thoughts, you wouldn’t believe the amount of times I’ve had people blame me for wanting to kill themselves over literally nothing. I had a housemate say I was the reason why she wanted to commit suicide just because I wasn’t talking to her that day because I was LITERALLY in my room writing an assignment. And another girl said she wanted to kill herself because I told her to leave me alone after she verbally abused me completely out of nowhere. And I’ve just seen this mindset becoming more and more common, a lot of this stuff I’ve experience from people at my uni, and I know a lot of them watched 13 reasons why and loved it.

[@ricecake3215]

L J I totally get what you’re saying, my ex boyfriend always threatened suicide if I didn’t want to be with him, but I knew it was his choice & his issues ultimately. Teaching people to blame others for their actions is such a toxic and dangerous worldview.

[@Lee-ss8yj]

My (former) best friend used to blame her self harm and suicidal thoughts on me. Whenever we had a fight (mind you, we were 13-15 during this time) she would go offline and later tell me she attempted suicide/self harmed because of me. She even showed me her scars and said "these are because of you". We stopped being friends and she became the best friend of another good friend of mine, and did the same to her

[@Alena8181snookie]

This is why i hate people 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@magicseaweed5520]

If MULTIPLE people tell you that they wanted to kill themselves because of YOU, then thats a fucking problem that you need to fix.

[@magicseaweed5520]

@@Alena8181snookie you hate people for stuff they mentally cant control?

[@feelthismagic]

hannah: *puts clay on reasons why not to kill herself* also hannah: *puts clay on the reasons to kill herself*

[@melancholy771]

@darcey grocott i-

[@angelettexoxx]

she put him on as an apology, she felt bad for how he treated him i thing

[@angelettexoxx]

in the book she says "Clay, honey, you do not belong on these tapes."

[@jaxinthebox7743]

Okay sorry I was with you until you started blaming Hannah for the hot tub. First of all, Hannah was ALONE in the hot tub when Bruce joined her, so saying that she “joined the rapist in the hot tub” is literally victim blaming. Why would you say that instead of realizing that it’s Bryce’s fault for doing it whether she got in with him or not?? Gross

[@cherryblossomgal8315]

She said, that she freezed, but as soon as when he came in she needed to leave. But when he did that it was gross ofc. But Hannah should have LEFT.

[@DeShyTheHuman]

You do know she could've left AFTER he got in the tub?? Logically speaking if u dislike someone..you should try your hardest to steer clear of them

[@jaxinthebox7743]

@@DeShyTheHuman okay and?? it’s very telling that you all are trying your absolute hardest to victim blame when all he needed to do was NOT RAPE HER

[@ayangyi]

@@cherryblossomgal8315 that's victim blaming.

[@benis9432]

all of this could easily be avoided if she just didn't go to the party :/ because again why would you go to a rapist party

[@cristalat101]

Mental health problems can be caused be other people. Dont oversimplify rape. Dont say people are "wonky" for hurting theirselves. Trauma caused by OTHER PEOPLE can lead to things such as PTSD and childhood abuse can lead to things such as BPD, which I suffer from. Suicidal people dont always think straight but they're not insane, just troubled. Do not oversimplify thing such as rape and mental health. Edit: TRIGGER WARNINGS ARE NEEDED. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TRAUMA YOU KNOW. Especially when rape is shown. How would you feel if you had to experience that and watch it on television. I hate this show but you really didn't handle this well.

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

Yeah her victim blaming is triggering for me, my r*pist literally told me it was my fault after a 3 hour + assault.. this video definitely needs a trigger warning..

[@lijonnova]

yeah when she was using words like "wonky" when she made that comment abt self harm, suicide etc, i thought it was not the best description, and insensitive ngl.... :/

[@acid0277]

Tbh as a suicidal person. This show is is just bad in general but the victim blameing is not it.

[@azabachezapata6816]

I was looking for this comment MENTAL HEALTH IS NOT A BORN CONDITION, IN YOUR GENES IN A LESS SCALE but its created by the reason, this girls is really trying to outsmart and really lacks of sympathy

[@GabbyDaGoof]

@@azabachezapata6816 nah, I'd just say ignorance.

[@featherbird666]

the fact that Hannah outed Courtney in the tapes, hand in hand with accusing her of being a reason why she killed herself, is really terrifying. Like, if you wanna do some character analysis Courtney's tape, Clay's tape and to an extent Zach's tape are similar in that they only exist because Hannah already has really low self esteem and doesn't have like, the emotional resources to deal with rejection. So, the tapes she directs at Courtney, Zach, and Clay are a sort of desperate, spiteful attempt to drag them down and make her look better. It's in the same vein as bullying. The show doesn't frame it that way, but it's really the only way any of it makes sense. Think about what happened to Courtney. Imagine you're a high school kid, maybe you're questioning your sexuality or maybe you know what's up but you're closeted, and you have a friend who you maybe have a crush on and you end up kissing them. You're drunk so your defenses are down, but ultimately you can kiss them because you feel safe with them, and they kiss you back. Now imagine how jarring it is to go from that to realising that someone you don't know is outside the window taking photos of you. The thing about the closet is that it provides you safety to realise who you are and like, fortify yourself so that when you come out you'll be ready. That safety is, as far as you know, gone. That's traumatic. Courtney not wanting to talk to Hannah immediately after that was understandable. She was panicking. Now imagine that after that, the other person kills themself and publishes a suicide note which outs you to everyone who receives it. That's a living nightmare. Can you imagine the toll that takes? That was something which 100% in a show which actually thinks about its characters and writes them as having like, thoughts and motivations and stuff, that could be explored in a really interesting way.

[@re3171]

She seems a bit manipulative

[@Cobras17]

Courtney was a bad friend and a bully

[@taliajourno5658]

the part with tyler’s abuse has honestly traumatized me i couldn’t finish the episode after that and i definitely didn’t want to hear about another season after that. i still can’t look at that because that scene was just too violent

[@rache5149]

Exact same thing happened to me, I was traumatized for a week. Didn't even bother to keep up with the show after that.

[@blah9997]

Same here, everytime I think about it my heart sinks. I never finished the show because of it...

[@user-js4cm4nv2u]

I’m not easily traumatized by things so I was able to continue, but when I watched it I had to pause it and catch my breath. I couldn’t stop thinking about it for the whole week and my butt started hurting just thinking about it :/

[@6lack18]

@@user-js4cm4nv2u same

[@user-xz8ch5jc7n]

Oh my god. I remember when the show came out a friend of mine insisted that I watched it. She didn't tell me much about it, just that there's certain tapes for certain persons and I'm gonna find out why etc. So anyways, I never EVER tought they would show a graphic suicide scene. I cannot tell you how that felt for me, for my wrists and brain when she slit her wrists. Since I tried it myself a year before the show came on. I should have read somewhere about it, I don't even remember if they had a disclaimer for that at some point in the show or not. But it was not a nice feeling to remember

[@melissa-wk1ji]

i’ll admit this show is super graphic at times the sexual assault scenes can sometimes get super real. when i saw the scene where bryce r@ped jess i couldn’t watch the show for a while and it messed with me for a week or two for the rest of those graphic scenes i couldn’t watch.

[@shijutu]

This show is for 13+. What kind of show for 13 year olds and older shows graphic r-pe scenes and stuff like that? What the hell? This show had some messed up scenes. I only watched the first season because I was bored out of my mind and everybody had been talking about it so I was like alright why not. Biggest regret ever. I hated every single character, especially Hannah. Seriously I fell asleep one time because it was so boring. This show was a MESS and I am still wondering how it got 4 seasons of just pure shit. I don't care if I am harsh, but the way they portrayed things is just ridiculous and messed up. Suicidal people don't want to kill themselves for revenge. No they DON'T want to die, they are just tired of living. At the end I see Hannah as the bad guy.

[@lollol3086]

z correction: the show is for 18+. what u said there was pretty fucked up there buddy. i agree hannah was messed up. but the other characters were not fucking trash. jessica was a bitch in season1 but the rest of the seasons she was strong and independent, and she spoke up about her being raped. justin had a huge character development. i can go on and on. but jesus christ clay was so fucking gold and literally carried the show for 4 years. im seriously thinking that u didn’t even watch the show properly. damn don’t go trashing a show when u haven’t even watched it u idiot.

[@kekesmit5468]

@@lollol3086 I think it has different age restrictions in different countries maybe that's why the person above said that's it's 13+

[@kekesmit5468]

+like for me it's 16+

[@bombather]

Szn 1: Bryce is an evil rapist Szn 2: victims of Bryce get justice because he’s an evil rapist Szn 3: Bryce was a... good rapist

[@lovebabes8339]

Bruh I hated that they tried to make me feel bad for him

[@maninform3523]

@@lovebabes8339 idiot they tried to humanize him

[@bombather]

@@maninform3523 why would they try to humanize a rapist

[@maninform3523]

@@bombather uhmm cus a rapist is human lol Not everyone is just plain cartoonishly evil that’s not real life

[@bombather]

@@maninform3523 ok but that doesn't explain why would choose to humanize a rapist who pushed a girl to suicide

[@swagmonke]

My school banned us from talking about 13 Reasons Why and we had to talk about how misleading the show’s message was.

[@suntearsss]

my school did that too, like wth

[@JustMe-dy9xw]

Where do you guys live? :0

[@melancholy771]

thank god

[@nanah846]

Thats actually good because the way they portrayed suicide was messed up

[@acid0277]

@@nanah846 they showed depression to be cute snd trendy and omg so edgy!. Its not i stg. The plot of a list is actually pretty cool of an idea but the writers done a shitty job trying to show mental health, abuse, Sexuality assault and stalking.

[@briuploadshere]

what monty did was unforgivable. period. he didn't feel bad about AT ALL and him being gay or abused will never excuse it. so even though it was pretty hypocritical to end it the way they did, i don't feel bad for him.

[@Maria-yv7sq]

Exactly. People seemed to only sympothize with him after they found out he's gay

[@fernandaAaAaAaA]

yeah, and the same thing with bryce

[@Megzsy98]

Why did the writers think it was ok to try and make monty and bryce look like angels in season 3 and add a new character that is a literal rapist apologist it's not ok

[@okayfine.8084]

Bri’s Promise I’m just mad that the actual murderers got away with this. What message does that send out?

[@sofiagovea228]

That's not the issue though. The point is that they send him to prison for Bryce's death when he had nothing to do with it, in fact he was probably the one who cared about him the most, even when they stopped being friends. Yes, what he did throught the whole show was blatantly horrible, I didn't even felt different when I found out about his background to be honest (which, please, was the most generic and cliché plotwist ever), he should have been punished for his mistakes and own up for his f* ups, but send him to prison, for something that he wasn't even close to do? for what, protecting Alex, because he was ''a tormented good guy''? No. The show tries to justify this with the fact that Alex ''just made a mistake'', therefore shouldn't face the consecuences of killing Bryce because he already suffered too much, and because Monty has done so much damage, it's okay if he pays for his crimes going for being accused of killing his best friend. Alex should be the one in jail, probation if you find that too much, and Monty should be charged for assaulting Tyler and punished for what he has being doing to his classmates in school. Period.

[@morosis6335]

13rw logic; hannah: *cuts her wrist and dies* alez: *shoots head with a gun and still doesn't die*

[@jiungsglasses2971]

Mi- minho :) (omg I'm so unnecessary sorry hahahha)

[@LowPing156]

Wait what?

[@coatimundi69]

late late reply but i think its worth pointing out that, statistically, women attempt suicide more often but men have more deaths by suicide because the means are different. women usually do things like hannah did (or pills) which can be helped, meanwhile men usually do what alex did and its usually fatal. the fact that they dont represent it accurately for the sake of... idk... story. it's funny to me

[@Roxys0xy]

charlotte kira Oop stays

[@sweetie_babie]

I don't think it's necessarily inaccurate. Many people who, for lack of better terms, successfully commit suicide do so by slitting their wrists. While you can survive a gunshot to the head. Yes, more people die from the latter, but it is possible both ways

[@emilytrace3670]

Look, I hated this show too and found Hannah really annoying. But just because these aren't legitimate reasons to kill yourself or blame other people for it, doesn't mean you need to invalidate or normalize the genuinely cruel things other characters did to her. A lot of these are violations of privacy and trust that are legitimately upsetting. If you want to make a point about how none of them amounts to holding others accountable for suicide, then do that. But don't act like it's ok to violate consent or dismiss these things. That's just a weak argument and as one-sided as called them 13 Reasons Why.

[@themelonsoup]

Calling season 3 a self insert fan fiction was the most accurate review ever

[@ClaireAKokE]

"I've had at least 25 encounters like this" same haha, so much of what Hannah experienced, every girl experiences, doesn't mean it's right but it's not a reason to kill yourself, this show sends the wrong message for sure.

[@ladynoluck]

ClaireAKokE But it was more than that. The whole school treated her like a slut because they didn’t believe her. Even her own friends believed the rumor and/or fed into the rumor. So, no one believed her. Then, the stalker photos, where her questioning of her safety/privacy was ignored until the photos came out (and still no one really did anything about it). The girl she kissed lied about Hannah to protect herself. The slut rumor led to Marcus literally trying to sexually assault/molest her at their date (not just “make a move”!). Just because you have had at least 25 encounters like just one of those pictured is not equivalent to everyone you know and trust starting to not believe you at all and instead believe and support bad rumors that lead to constant threats and acts of abuse and sexual violence. In that climate, I imagine anyone might really struggle with their mental health, especially someone with depression or suicidal ideation. I hate this series, but it is irresponsible to say that just because us girls have some of the experiences depicted that it is at all equivalent to the bullying and trauma Hannah was subjected to. I have been catcalled, touched, and flirted with by a stranger when I wasn’t in a safe place, and, no, I personally am not suicidal and cannot see being suicidal because of that, but that is not what Hannah is experiencing. She’s experiencing those things every day at school and every time she encounters a classmate and her only friends have left her over supporting it all. Again, hate the series for suggesting suicide is a reasonable decision, but that doesn’t mean we should minimize the actual level of violence and trauma and abuse she faced because non-fictional girls are actually dealing with that level of it and saying that it’s not that bad/get over it we all deal with it is really harmful. Just had to get that off my chest...

[@shayla106]

LNL Not minimizing it, but for it to effect her to this degree she couldn’t have a healthy mental state to begin with. Next, many people which out to her and she pushed them away. She also seemed to be more revenged oriented than depressed ,hence the tapes and asking Clay why he left after she shouted for him to leave (this implies he could have saved her, which shifts the blame.) With the way she’s portrayed in the show I don’t think people are minimizing it. I blame bad writing.

[@ladynoluck]

@@shayla106 I agree that bad writing contributes to a lot of the problems, and I absolutely hate basically everything about the series, but the writers at least made an effort to present the bullying, alienation, abuse, and sexual violence as not isolated instances, but rather most of her entire life at that point. Everyone she reached out to, when she thought things could get better decided to stop trusting her or use her or was a source of/contributor to the abusive climate of her life. I agree that it is bad writing that good people who helped or tried to help her were treated as equivalent to the people who used and abused her just because they couldn't read her mind, but my only point, the point of my last comment, was solely that we can't equate everyday rape culture and sexism to the constant abuse and violence she was dealing with from everyone, even those she trusted the most. I just don't think it is right to brush that off as equivalent to isolated instances. Also, please know that I am not making this point to defend Hannah because I really do hate so much about her and this series. I am only making this specific point for the real people under similar constant threat who should not have their experience treated as equal to isolated threats and situations and thus treated as less serious because of that.

[@naomind_]

Have you ever had to deal with PTSD episodes of being raped and sexually assaulted, happening during the most random times during the day? As a survivor, I get it.. This show is trying to start a conversation. Maybe to you, a lot of the show doesn't make sense depending on relatability- but for a lot of people, this show saved their lives or helped them. But no one cares to report that news sadly. I do encourage you all to watch 'Letters to the cast of 13RW' there are many amazing stories about how this show has positively affected people

[@sophiel5205]

Well, so you're the one deciding what's a "good" reason to kill oneself ?

[@ayabellaoui6698]

When people harass you just because of your character, that’s how you know you’ve made it as an actor

[@RWAT.]

You should watch ‘euphoria’. i really wanna know your opinions on it. It’s more successful in raising awareness for mental illnesses in my opinion

[@renflower1910]

What's it about and is it on Netflix?

[@renflower1910]

@@sadelogan7890 Thank you for giving me a summary. I'll try to watch it.

[@son5051]

@@sadelogan7890 euphoria is a garbage show and rue is unrealistic and portrays drug abuse so much worse than justin that it's just unbearable. im getting tired of weebs with kpop profile pics with no real experience with the topics these show display acting like they know everything.

[@MeleenGames]

As someone with bpd and friends and family with bipolar it's one of the best depictions of mental health I've seen along with sharp objects... Also and HBO show

[@memesarelife1240]

@@sadelogan7890 sorry about that

[@jusdorange4720]

tbh the show shouldve been like this 1. hannah disappears 2. clay tries to find out what happens coz he lost his best friend (and rumoured partner) 3. clay's mental health issues worsen 4. clay attempts to commit suicide 5. then there should be dedicated episodes that show the effects suicide can have on the world (on strangers, each family member, friends, teachers, people that saw and/or talked to him often etc.) 6. Recovery of clay 7. finding hannah's tapes 8+ im not in the mood of dealing with this annoying show and therefore y'all can imagine how the rest of the show would go but that is defs more interesting. heck, life of strange literally is better than 13 reasons why

[@imaninamakhtar896]

Last point, I have to agree, the way team developer develop Kate Marsh's suicide attempt scene really well, they didn't make avoiding suicide is an easy thing, but at the same time, they don't encourae it either. Player(Maxine Caulfield) just need to choose the right choice when talking to Kate, to determine whether we actually know her and how we help suicidal person. Glad to know people acknowledge Life Is Strange.

[@ghostofmisao.]

I LOVE LIFE IS STRANGE YES

[@Hell.0itsMe]

It’s a book it should have ended after she died

[@jaes1390]

Hannah: leave 👁👄👁✋ Clay: okay-? 👁👄👁 Hannah 👁💧👄💧👁 why'd you do what I said

[@piecrust6779]

13:24 as a young person I can guarantee you I speak exactly like this. I only speak by saying dude and the slight inflections of my voice should be all you need to understand what I'm saying.

[@liahamilton8931]

Dude

[@Alan_Shv]

@@cryptic-lemon9755 dude, he was joking

[@raketskater]

14:51 Alex did show quite a lot of signs of being depressed and suicidal during the first season though. He drove recklessly, low key tried to drown himself, talked about suicide multiple times, and was also in a low mood during the whole first season. he felt extremly guilty about Hannah and it was pretty obvious imo

[@f.k.3273]

raketskater !!!!!

[@BriarPatchNyra]

Alex def seemed realistic

[@selenagomezkilldemi]

Im glad someone has pointed this out

[@selenagomezkilldemi]

Alex was literally a more realistic portrayal

[@aradiasnowdon7016]

I had a similar thought when she said there was no sign of mental illness with Tyler. He very clearly had something wrong with him, how many kids just stalk other students like he did? (Which is only the beginning of his issues)

[@valentina-th9hm]

Bryce is the only one who deserves to be on the tapes to me

[@elena0324]

Agree

[@mikyeediaz120]

True, I think he's the only valid reason out of all others for this to happen.

[@xxxxxxxxx1652]

exactly

[@b1yuzx94]

valentina • he r*ped her so he does deserve to be here but others, especially the guy who is friends with jocks but isn’t like jocks he didn’t do much bad nor did the principal and clay.

[@elenahey9317]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@pinkrainclouds2190]

I watched a little of it when it first came out before I realized what it was about. I had to stop due to PTSD. My dad was abusive when I was a kid and then the last thing I said to him before he killed himself was "I hate you." His suicide letter consisted of blaming a 9 year old for saying "I hate you" and then he blamed my mom. I also have struggled with severe depression and suicidal attempts because the PTSD along with my several health issues is alot to handle. Im 24 and bedridden and am left to be sick and in pain all the time due to the cut of pain meds and the doctors who are unable to cure me. My conditions have almost killed me a few times but the doctors always bring me from the brink of death just to continue to be sick and unable to do anything. Anyway, my point is that this show was triggering for many reasons.One thing isn't going to make you decide to kill yourself or want to do so. It the combination of all these things happening and the inability to get your head above water. You joked about "Oh this happened, so she wants to kill herself" but its the combination of mental health issues and life just constantly fucking you in the ass that makes you consider it.

[@winterbear3528]

LetItRain2019 omg I’m so sorry that happened to you

[@homoabsurdus9758]

I'm sorry this had to happen to you. I hope that something is going to go well in your life. You deserve it and you are a very strong person.

[@judityrezendes7244]

I have to 100% agree. During the video I was questioning whether it’s because I’m just mentally ill and don’t know it, she never passed through extreme emotion/bad situation, or if she’s just a stronger individual than I am. but- I’ve been way better this year on having thoughts about suicide however, even now in my healthiest state I realize that shit like this adding up, can be over-whelming and can cause you to feel suicidal. She was pointing out how statistics say the #1 reason is mental illness, but as we know, being raised in a toxic environment can give you mental illness eventually- anyways, those statistics aren’t 100%, how many people don’t go to therapist in order for these statistics to come to light? Like... and also even without mental illness you have to take into account teenagers experience life differently than an adult who already has a stable sense of self etc. So yeah. I think her criticism was harmful because it was incorrect.

[@Noodles4Anime]

@@judityrezendes7244 I agree. She says suicide is caused by mental illness, and like, Hannah seemed to be mental ill atleast by the time she commited suicide. She may not have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder or DID or any number of other mental illnesses that typically stems from childhood, but she seemed to be going through a lot and all those little things together(and you know, the big thing, rape) probably pushed her into depression and trauma.

[@tatianadagnone2636]

You lost me at the bryce thing. That was really messed up.

[@h7rlym]

she was also wrong , hannah was already in the hot tub and bryce got in with her but she’s blaming hannah

[@propogandalf]

@@h7rlym I think she misremembered the scene and meant moreso her action of going to Bryce's party

[@redpanda6134]

@@propogandalf But that doesn't matter. Hannah wasn't stupid but going to a party where she most likely thought there would be other people other than Bryce isn't entirely unrealistic. She didn't intend on being alone with Bryce so no, "her actions" were not the problem

[@propogandalf]

@@redpanda6134 It was at his house and she hated him

[@redpanda6134]

@@propogandalf So? She chose to go to a PARTY, it's not like she went there with the intention of being there WITH Bryce. Stop with all this victim-blaming

[@dahkadhkhkh]

13 reasons why can be a nice show to watch IF you’re mentally stable and have processed all your high school traumas. But since the demographic mostly consists of teenagers, it’s obvious the show isn’t healthy for most of the viewers. Just thinking how many lives this show has probably fucked up makes me feel sick

[@shayla106]

It would be okay if admit what kind of show it is and stop saying it’s trying to start a conversation. Just to ignore what professionals tell you.

[@dastress7272]

I agree, I actually enjoy watching the show because nothing on tv really affects me but I know some of my friends got traumatized because of that Tyler scene. FOR ME it wasn't a problem but I can totally see why it is for some people.

[@dahkadhkhkh]

TheStress TheStress I’m for sure, if I watched this show as a teen this would’ve drastically impacted me and probably even inspired me. Luckily I’m older now and have become mentally stronger, but I definitely can see how this show badly can influence others.

[@user-ek7ct5nl5d]

i mean it's not even that entertaining. I fell asleep multiple times watching it

[@foreversimgirl828]

no it’s not me personally I love this show. But I think it shouldn’t be for people younger than 16.

[@romiaxel9306]

That broom scene made me slightly cry and feel so sick,it was so honestly unecessarily brutal 😫😩

[@ice1055]

Nilda Humphreys that was the point, it was for the shock factor. It shows you how far some people are willing to go to inflict pain on others.

[@ww.DuzaFizz]

Also I hated that their 'reason' for why he did it was because of his sexuality. There's no logical reason for sexual assault, and using his sexuality as an excuse is not only illogical but plain harmful to members of the LGBT+ community

[@romiaxel9306]

@@ww.DuzaFizz Yes! Exactly right, I couldn't have said it any better. There's absolutely no excuses when it comes to sexual assault, and using sexuality as an excuse casts a bad image for the lgbtq+ community who are already so misunderstood and discriminated against as is .It was just completely unnecessary , horrifying and a bit too insensitive for certain audiences.

[@Fairygirl711]

Wait what broom scene

[@sleepysheep6029]

@@Fairygirl711 tbh it's better if you don't know fam

[@banane2279]

While I appreciate your input and respect your personal feelings and thoughts about the show, I think you are not only quite Insensitive but vague yourself in some instances. I am warning whoever is reading this: welcome to my Ted Talk. You oversimplified the tapes and stated what happened in one sentence, while ignoring how someone might feel about that. You can't seriously say that you wouldn't feel like shit after seeing how someone delibaretly goes out of their way to hurt you. Especially when you have lashed out at them before; you know why you did it and justified it to yourself. Someone else doesn't know that and we tend to forget why someone might be "unreasonable" when we are just as unreasonable ourselves. So, you think that person hurt you because they don't care about what happened to you in the first place. That's *especially* likely for someone who feels like shit already, who has been traumatized and is depressed, like Hannah. It reinforces the loneliness, the feeling of having to fight against the world, that there's no love and nothing worthwhile. Now, I don't really blame you for not thinking about that. Heck, I've forgotten to consider other people's feelings and I probably will again; but when talking about mental illness, when talking about a show that's oversimplified suicide in the first place... I think it's inappropriate to dismiss Hannah's feelings when that's the whole point: even though it's been horribly butchered into a bad message to viewers. Now, I mostly agree with what you said. Hannah was frustratingly unreasonable. That was a great way to show how someone might fall into depression through the amalgamation of little things, how they try to find every little reason to justify killing themselves. That's also how I interpreted the title, as someone who has tried to do that before. The series fell flat on its nose by not telling the viewers this; it was literally just "oooh, bullying bad, Hannah martyr, everyone else is at fault" instead of showing how goddamn unreasonable it all is. They literally tell us, just like you said, that there's universal reasons for suicide when there's in fact not. Instead of showing how a depressed person drives *themselves* to suicide, not other people. They should've corrected what the book did wrong as well. No need to unnecessaryily demonize other people who acted perfectly normal, whereas Hannah who is just as normal gets to be somehow justified in being mean, too. She freaking blamed *13* people for her own, self induced *death*. She's the worst goddamn character on the show! And instead of saying that depressed people oftentimes turn out to be the villains of their own story, they tell us that she's this pure angel who got wrecked by the world. Now on to what I think could correct the whole mess: Why not show an internal conflict in Hannah? Instead of listening to the depressive thoughts, she should question them, try to get help, encourage depressed viewers to question their own depression. That would have been great. That would have sent a great message. Heck, they could've simply altered the ending and make Hannah realize that she has been the unreasonable one all along, that there's actually no reason for killing herself, causing her to refrain from mailing the tapes, get help, etc. Realizing that as a suicidal person is the key to prevent suicide, to start treating yourself. Because your thoughts tried to justify your death logically, showing that there's actually no logic at all is the first step in battling it. The only thing that scared some depressed people away from suicide is the extremely horrifing suicide scene and that's totally unacceptable for a show that wanted to open a conversation.

[@marble639]

I remember our principal telling everyone to not watch it

[@anafano1613]

Fans of this show get personal when someone tells their opinion of 13 Reasons Why. They even type kys.... which makes it quite ironic 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[@kindpanda405]

I'm a fan of the show and I would never-EVER type that to someone. Just please stop generalizing.

[@szpecter558]

Noting better then a bunch of triggered fuckheads telling people who hate their favorite show about suicide to commit suicide

[@tessw9744]

Hannah sounds a little "borderline-ish". This show: promoting this as normal behavior.

[@bluehydrangea5506]

Am borderline. It ain't fun. And trust me it's not normal thinking/behavior.

[@angrycat6954]

As someone who struggles with BPD I hate Hannah with every fiber of my being

[@greendaygoblin7165]

"clay in shit" gets me every single time bc i have NO idea what it means

[@makesomeshit]

A person who has had a traumatic experience, including childhood sexual abuse, rape, physical abuse, or war trauma, is at a greater risk for suicide, even many years after the trauma.

[@SarahAlex250897]

I legit felt the same way about Ani. It honestly felt like somebody wrote a fan fiction within the world of 13 Reasons Why and involved the character with every person in some capacity, without having any chemistry whatsoever. It was so cringey and felt comedic throughout the entire season.

[@uhnye]

LMAO I was like why is this person talking abt me? Then I realized you’re talking abt the show 😂

[@maesithebutterfly841]

her character was unnecessary to me. if anything. she threw everything off . i feel bad for the actress though she got attacked and the short brunt of the stick just for doing her job-

[@SarahAlex250897]

@@maesithebutterfly841 couldn't agree with you more! i do feel bad for her too. it was a job for her and unfortunately her character was just horribly written and completely irrelevant to the plot.

[@u7amaki]

love how this shows intent was to prevent suicide and instead it caused 200 deaths

[@sadie2melw]

You can't blame a show for people killing themselves. Do you blame horror movies for people killing other people? I mean how can a fictional character's 13 fictional reasons why she killed herself be any real person's motivation??

[@ablambdadelta]

@@sadie2melw If you didn't know, the show is a reason on a lot of teenagers killing themselves because they got influenced by the show

[@minimantaray]

​@@sadie2melw there's so much fucking evidence that shows that fiction affects reality that at this point there's no excuse to put horribly upsetting content onscreen, especially in some dumb "uwu let's start a conversation" teen show. i'm pretty sure the 13rw people had psychologists to advise them on how to do things right and they told them not to show it but they decided to tell those mental health professionals to go fuck themselves and did it anyway lol. if you want a really good and famous example of how fiction can affect and change the way we think, look up what jaws did to sharks. shit does not exist in a vacuum my guy

[@heyitsari9035]

@@ablambdadelta why did they even watched the show in the description it said it has TRIGGERING aspects in the show and in the beginning of the first episode in every season it had a SUICIDE warning!!! And the suicide hotline like obviously the show is about suicide and real life bad situations don't watch it if you are planning on harming yourself instead get help! You can NOT blame the show for the increased suicide rates blame it on the people who was in that teens life for not noticing the signs and getting them help!! 😔😤

[@ablambdadelta]

@@heyitsari9035 Sorry if I upseted you but I told the person what was in the media about the show. I completely agree with you but I read that on the news so I told the person that

[@allietheotaku]

I personally couldn't watch this show. I tried a few times, but it's so incredibly triggering. There's no way I would be able to watch the whole thing without having way too many panic attacks. Honestly, this show makes me absolutely sick.

[@liahamilton8931]

I cant watch it either its exteremely triggering for me at least and if they are trying to say a message why make it in a way that a lot of people with mental illnesses who can actually relate to that message and have had experienced it, arent able to watch it without being harmful to their mental health

[@nicholasgerry6931]

Sherliza: *made this video* Hannah: "Welcome to your tape 💅"

[@sydneybrandenburg5647]

honestly the scene with the broom is hard for me to listen to or see. it disgusting to me, disturbs me, and scares me

[@nothingatall5013]

Yeah I really hated that they had to show so much of that scene. You don't need to traumatize an audience to bring awareness.

[@lulu_Lm]

@@lula1026 The scene where Tyler gets raped in the bathroom

[@BreeKat]

Alani H are you serious ?

[@lulu_Lm]

@@jessie7224 yea, it was brutal.

[@emeraldsayles8025]

I think I'm going to be sick both mentally and physically. F#ck 13 reasons why

[@starheartskull15]

The beginning and end of season 3 were trash but the middle with Tyler’s storyline, the “I’m a survivor” moment, seeing deeper into Monty’s life, and the tony storyline were GREAT

[@maesithebutterfly841]

they 1000% should’ve continued with that. it was actually an interesting storyline that they cut off when we wanted more 😩

[@alygatorstereo]

Wow that poor guy playing Bryce. How dense are people to actually seek him out online and bully him for...acting? Like doing his job? Being an actor? Like wow that’s a mess...

[@isabellaquinn7454]

The sad thing is, in real life, the bullies wouldn't care, they wouldn't even listen to the tape, they'd prolly make a meme or a tiktok out of it, some people are that cruel. This '13 reasons why' tape idea gives the impression that Hannah is getting justice for herself, when in real life bullies would just laugh. :(

[@stellaeriz]

Someone: I like the color yellow Hannah: Welcome to your tape

[@melancholy771]

more like mint choc ice cream. yellow is a cool colour

[@user-bf8me2tw4u]

I like mint chocolate chip ice cream

[@user-bf8me2tw4u]

@@melancholy771 BRUH I JUST SAID THAT SKSKSKSKSKSKKSKSKKKKSKS

[@sara-8325]

My fave color is yellow and my favorite ice cream is mint chocolate chip ✌️😥

[@childofthelivinggod.]

LMAO-

[@reachchill]

I didn't bother watching s3 so thanks for the summary. like I cant believe they attempted to redeem Bryce but then made monty gay and killed him off with no redemption,,, yikes

[@jaidelauraltree2063]

I hate this show but the whole "all my scars are inside" is some pretty damn accurate millennial humor.

[@karishmabhana6396]

Victim blaming: the video

[@chipmunkrockz]

Hello ! I don't like the show at all . It's a very inaccurate description of mental illness . But , to be honest , I feel you are minimizing every reason someone might do something. Whether it was the school shooting or the suicide , I think youre making everyones problems look really small , which can be fairly dangerous , especially because different events affect different people differently . But each to their own . Excellent narration btw !

[@kiticoma7]

thanks for this comment

[@unfortunateanchor1717]

I was seriously put off when Hannah was getting sexually assaulted/harassed at the diner and she just minimized what Hannah went through by saying it happened to her. It happens to a lot of people but it doesn’t make their pain any less valid

[@ayangyi]

exactly!!

[@StarStar-ec1dd]

Yeah....if you think about it, if whatever happened to Hannah happened to you too then of course you will be depressed.....and also saying that mental illness is the cause was very shallow to be honest.....well she wouldn't have had any mental illness if she hadn't experienced all that shit...so I guess it depends on how you see things

[@dazzlingforests1373]

FR

[@Ellie-zy1zf]

I generally agree with most of what you say, but I think there were clear signs/hints Alex were depressed-I can't remember them all but I'm sure there were a ton. I remember him driving his car really fast without his seatbelt on? Nearly drowning in the pool? And I think there were other stuff too.

[@sadie2melw]

And on top of that his former best friend killed herself and blamed him for it. Guilt can cause people to try to kill themselves.

[@ghostofmisao.]

Alex was showing al ot of signs of depression, the fact that it went so under the radar is pretty realistic tbh

[@charlotterebeccalundberg8643]

OMG "fans" cyber-bullies actors for portraying a fictional character.. Here we all know the difference between fiction and reality.. What have the world come to..

[@WykydJester]

This, unfortunately, isn't a new thing, as spewing hate and death threats towards actors and writers/authors has been prevalent for decades. Social media has simply made the process easier.

[@simplyyeri]

I hope ur joking ab wanting actual 16 year olds to star in adult shows/movies

[@ahripark2593]

Yeah the broom scene really traumatized me.....I was in shock they portrayed it that way...

[@ash-kk7il]

I just don’t understand why they would kill Bryce in the first place. He committed multiple crimes yet he is never arrested and put in prison like he actually deserved. Instead they almost make him appear as someone we should sympathise with in the third season even though up until that point they portrayed him as a very one dimensional villain rather than establishing any sort of development. Such a big mistake and awkward way of writing his character

[@Maria-yv7sq]

Exactly. I tried so hard to not sympathize with him because he didn't deserve it. It's like they were making his actions lesser than they appear.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

The main protagonist of Crime and Punishment is more likable and the author spent a lot of time on describing all the ways the murderer was degenerated Maybe it's because he truly understood he was wrong and went to prison even though he could avoid it if he didn't confess

[@joheadford6809]

I also want to mention this was a *BOOK* before a Netflix adaption, which doesn't necessarily make it any better, but I feel like a lot of the audience missed out on that and blamed netflix on its existence.

[@reybibi4466]

The Broom scene makes me cry every damn time

[@jenniferg.9017]

I don't agree with the part of your commentary, where you specifically were saying that the reasons Hannah had aren't good enough to kill herself. The implication then, is that there are then valid reasons to do so. People commit suicide, for being being bullied, for being called a slut, for being raped, for all number of reasons. Obviously blaming other people for your own suicide is not at all the right response either, I agree. We have a responsibility , to be kinder to each other and realize our actions can have ripple effects. This show did not approach the issue of suicide prevention in the most tactful or effective way. The issues Hannah face is the reality for a lot of people, it is serious and not something to scoff at or say, "not good reason to kill yourself". We need to figure out how to approach these issues in a nuanced, thoughtful, compassionate way.

[@raketskater]

Preach!!

[@shayla106]

Jennifer G. Yeah but we can only do so much because if worry about every little thing we do we will become paranoid. Next there will always be assholes. If you’re this’s suicidal over minor things, you already had a mental problem to begin with. Because this is not the normal response. There’s a reason only a small portion of our population commit suicide. Honestly the show portrays Hannah as a attention seeker who wanted revenge.

[@jenniferg.9017]

@@shayla106 Suicide is quickly becoming the number one cause of deaths in America, and in many other countries, including Canada, Japan, India etc. It is not only a small portion of our population. The statistics will give you a reality check. My friend works as an emergency operator, the sheer number of suicide calls she gets on a daily basis will give you pause. It's not quick fix solution, but I think approaching it with more understanding and making sure we teach kids resiliency, the importance of actively speaking to a trusted adult is vital. What you deem as "minor things" can pile up quicker than you think, before your buried in an avalanche and feel like there is no better solution.

[@miki2849]

Why did that have to be her whole character tho? I never watched the show but all I’m getting is that Hannah has literally no personality or character or a life outside of the drama, then kills herself to teach others a lesson? If that’s what it is then it really just isn’t a reason to commit suicide

[@AnaLopez-dy3nv]

Why does does being suicidal only have to be because they had a mental illness I don’t get it, as individuals we react and respond different to situations, some people are weak in character, others are stronger so saying “this or that reason was not enough to commit suicide” well yeah it may seem like that to you because you can take things better and that’s wonderful but there are others that are very vulnerable. So it is wrong for some of you to say how stupid the reasons were but that’s what YOU THINK to others it may be more than enough, so I disagree with the fact that she said the reasons weren’t even that bad.

[@belias360]

24:50 Degrassi. It's called Degrassi. Just watch Degrassi. It's literally the only teen show I know that have consistently hired actors who were actually the ages of their characters and they've done this for decades.

[@lauravampire1276]

Same with Skins!

[@noriii]

@@colacat0077 next generation was my favorite !

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

the only valid tape was bryce. end of.

[@air8223]

Exactly she lost at the part when she said he didn't deserve a tape

[@patrickkelmer6290]

Also, the end of season 3 was basically "Thank you Ani for setting up Monty as Bryces murderer!"

[@SeiichirouUta]

I never watched this show, since I had been suidicdal 16 years ago and feared that... I would burst with anger. It never occurred to me ONCE to kill myself because of what other people did to me. On the contrary - my love for certain people was what kept me from taking my life. And I have friends who felt the urge too or even tried - and none of them ever blamed others for their feelings. I also know too many people who have experienced other dark sides of life. Heavy mobbing. Severe disabilities. Rape. Orphaned at a young age. Abuse. War. They suffered, yet most of them never thought about ending their life. Like it's already been said correctly: The reason for suicidal thoughts is mental illness. This emptiness, the feeling of being lost and without hope, the bottomless pit inside your heart... it all comes from within. If you know this feeling, this way of thinking... seek help. There is hope. There is ease. Depression has been a part of my life for more than 20 years now and since I opened up about it and started getting therapy it's been getting better and better. Seriously: Get to know your illness. You can only break free, if you know what it is that ties you down.

[@leedraconis5793]

“You have to be mentally wonky.” Yeah, and how do you think those mental issues came to be? Rape is traumatic. He deserves to be in jail: he killed Hannah Baker. No one else deserved a tape. Edit: I don’t like this show and I liked this video but your take on mental illness throughout the video really jarred me. As someone with multiple mental illnesses, and who has researched a lot, I think it’s irresponsible to ignore the nurture factors of mental illness rather than nature. The show and the way the concept is handled is a whole 3/10 but that was my one complaint

[@nerizaberlin]

Liam Vic i agree, good video, but there definitely are situations that advance mental health issues

[@ningguang6947]

Totally agreed

[@Valerybr02]

same certain things she said sort of rubbed me the wrong way like saying that certain characters never acted like they had a mental illness? like just because someone is mentally ill doesn’t mean they stereotypically act like it??

[@stubbadub768]

@@Valerybr02 THANKS for saying that

[@chuuattackmyheart1236]

I just thought I should say, if you are ever feeling depressed or suicidal, please don’t be afraid to talk to someone. Your mental and physical health are important, you are important, so please talk to someone about how you’re feeling.

[@yopi_yopi]

"So yeah you're part of the reason I k*lled myself because you loved a poem and published it without my consent". Damn I wished I had that kind of privilege when I had my teenage depression.

[@solar6284]

Dear lord when the ellen part showed up... i physically cringed. The edits had me quaking

[@theforgetfulnugget8971]

Same, lol.

[@slorpnorpthrob453]

It’s frustrating how Hannah has no personality except for trauma like by no means am I suggesting victim blaming but most of her problems were completely avoidable even by the most vulnerable of people but her entire character and purpose is trauma which makes it really dumb since most people with mental illness feel as tho the problems we face are completely out of our hands and no decision or event would’ve changed it as it is what it is, mental illness

[@doiessmile9381]

I would appreciate it if you would talk only of yourself and how you perceive mental illness. Throwing everyone in the same boat is just so wrong. We don't see/view/feel the things alike bc everyone is different. There may be cases similiar to each other or mental illnesses but again just bc you feel that way doesn't mean everyone else does. Not defending the show (only saw first season) but what you just said is one of the reasons ppl with mental illness have it so tough bc ppl don't put in effort to understand them. Not gonna say there aren't 2 in the boat but I think you get what I mean.

[@shayla106]

My Love for BTS is no coincidence Ummm you obviously can’t read because the person said most not all.

[@doiessmile9381]

@@shayla106 Why do you feel the need to insult me instead of politely talking to me? So I guess I was to hastily while I read I apologize to op (not you) for that. Still I find the term "most" to generalised. Saying most ppl would do "this" or "that" or "feel that way" is what still bothers me and doesn't change much from my opinion of my text before. So I will stay with it.

[@seranathenecromancer3470]

My Love for BTS is no coincidence The thing is, the original poster’s comment implies opinion. You don’t necessarily have to state “In my opinion” to phrase that this is your opinion. The implication that “most people” do something is a common sense argument. Common sense arguments are created from something read or said by another person that whoever is creating the argument uses as a base and then injects their own beliefs and biases upon that base. Creating their argument. Every common sense argument is loosely based on something that the person has read or heard in the past and is beefed up with personal opinion. It’s easy to figure out which arguments are common sense by the use of words like “most”, “some”, “almost” etc because by using these words they aren’t actually fully committing to their arguments. This is a huge part of Methodology and one I’ve unfortunately had to suffer through lectures hearing over and over again 😂

[@ice1055]

In my eyes I see it as it eating away at her personality diminishing it. The more things happen the more she’ll become secluded and quit putting herself and her personality out there, it eats her alive until she’s nothing but the trauma she’s experiencing.

[@inkubator320]

Although your points are pretty valid I disagree strongly with the way you minimalized rape just like the show minamalized suicide......rape is a touchy subject and the way you said it was kinda disturbing.

[@inkubator320]

Not to mention you are kinda telling that Hannah’s problems weren’t valid even tho she was bullied, stalked, raped and harassed etc. Sorry but that ain’t it right

[@hzyleyrose]

I agree 10000%

[@emikoneko9346]

@@inkubator320 thank you. you’re so right

[@seraphim108]

@@inkubator320 agreed. So many point where best left unsaid, especially revolving around the rape related stuff.. yet not many top comments speak about how messed up of a point she made.

[@SadGirlXandra]

I get it. The show wasn’t perfect in any means but….. minimizing Hannah’s problems isn’t okay I’m sorry…… it wasn’t one thing that made her s/icidal it was one thing on top of another. Like you try to shake off hate but there is only so much one person can take. I was s/icidal and nobody was there for me I lost a family member and all my friends left me and I was cyberbullied and one thing on top of another is what caused it. Justin was someone she trusted and he broke that trust but it was Bryce who sent the photo. Jessica believed untrue rumors about her friend which hurt. Alex did Hannah on the list to be cruel. Tyler was a creep and sent a very private photo around school making everything worse for Hannah. Courtney lied and ruined Hannah’s reputation even more. Marcus basically sexually harassed Hannah and humiliated her. Hannah having horrible reputation & people being cruel needed those cute notes that zach stole. Ryan stole her poem that was very private and personal and she was hurt even more. Sheri and Hannah are responsible for Jeff dying. Hannah was frozen unsure what to do during Jessica and Bryce r!pe scene which devastated her. Clay just watched things happen, he left when he shouldn’t have, and yelled at Hannah for crying over Jeff and the party. And she thought she could trust at least him. And Bryce again. Everyone was in their underwear in the hot tub. She got in with Jessica and people she basically trusted. Bryce got in with Hannah, she got uncomfortable and started to leave he didn’t let her. He being a baseball player was obviously stronger and Hannah couldn’t get away and I can obviously see how mentally traumatizing this was. Not only is she constantly called a s/ut, but she felt like she lived up to that reputation and people made her feel worthless. The counselor should have seen her pain. He should have stopped her and shouldn’t have told her to move on. So she felt she wasn’t worth it. So after all that……it would be hard for anyone to stay happy. I found the characters relatable and wanting them to be happy. Alex showed signs of being s/icidal in season 1. Tyler was s/xually assaulted and I completely understand why he tried to do that. I didn’t see the purpose of ani tbh. But eventually she grew on me. These are flawed characters because people are flawed we are imperfect. And I feel bad for the actors they don’t deserve the hate. This is my take on everything…. I did hate how the k/lled off Justin though. He had such growth and he was just suddenly k/lled off like that I sobbed. - But this is my thoughts. Nobody is the same. Everyone’s symptoms are different and we need to stop labeling symptoms because it’s not the same for everyone.

[@yeontop]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@hzyleyrose]

period

[@lrm9298]

"It's never other people's fault" yaa that's exactly how I felt after reading the book...

[@kiraxoxolove]

I read the book back in 8th grade and thought her character was whiny and held no accountability for her actions and years later the show proved me right.

[@b.o.3815]

that german netflix

[@evelyn_uchiha]

B. Ö. She grew up in Austria, and they speak German so it’s easier for her to watch it in German

[@myishenhaines1706]

I have CPTSD, OCD and Major Depressive Disorder. I’m a child abuse and domestic abuse survivor. I struggle with suicidal ideation. None of it is romantic, or pretty. School shooters are not always mentally ill though. That’s a toxic myth.

[@martdarts8916]

Rape can affect someone in a terrible way.

[@wrathofthelamb318]

The way she downplayed it is disgusting

[@marvel096]

14:52 uhm didnt alex tried to drown himself in S1 and did a lot of dangerous shit? like the signs were there. he wanted to die.

[@zziaoe6940]

marvel096 j I definitely agree

[@melissa-wk1ji]

yea and a lot of the first season you can tell alex is kind of off