Pallas’s Cat: The Original Grumpy Cat

Pallas’s Cats may look like cute and lazy house cats, but don’t let that fool you.
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Examining the nature of the beast.

[@fuckyshityfuckshit]

They look ridiculous. I want 40

[@RonWylie-gk5lc]

ha ha ha, I guess looking at your handle your not the usual "mad cat lady" ha ha

[@bbednorz319]

fuckyshityfuckshit Love your name!

[@bbednorz319]

sandra valencia Take your prudy comments elsewhere. Nobody here cares what you think.

[@samuelrodriguez9801]

@Evan Hans Pua But one can dream.

[@tangerinedreamfan9973]

They ARE cute, I know!

[@morganmorgym]

I almost lived my entire life without knowing this animal existed. Ignorance is such a scary thing. This cat is so cute.

[@RezaOLine]

you need to search for sand cat,, or fennec fox..

[@badrluai]

ignorance is bliss, i wouldn't know

[@conscarcdr]

Allow me to introduce the sand cat...

[@Humanophage]

They've been a major meme in Russia/Ukraine/Belarus since 2009 and still going strong.

[@braid834]

@A long time ago we made it to paradise. Oblivious would be a better word

[@AstroMartine]

They don't just have round pupils, they also have drawn-on eyebrows! The sass, the adorableness! I can't deal...

[@kahteh]

Cannot unsee the eyebrows now. I love it

[@Kaito.S]

"The body is round" too 😂😅

[@karensertich8904]

Somebody made a hilarious post about how they resemble a meatloaf! I would like to have at least two of these!

[@ChrisAndCats]

The crabbier they look, the more I love them ☺

[@whitecat3923]

Me too! 😽

[@anonymouslymj1064]

I’d like but it’s at 69, so consider this my like

[@Shazil92]

Fun fact: Their ears are short and round because they have no interest in listening into other people’s business Be like Pallas :]

[@rhuttrho88]

😃✊🏿✌🏿

[@ivanadossi]

😂

[@kusuka_skate]

ಠ_ʖಠ

[@mandarinprincess]

😂😂😂

[@haroldvillanueva7301]

Lmao

[@iangregg5504]

Definitely one of those cats to hide under the bed and swat at your ankles as you walk by

[@sharonquintana6409]

More likely to bite your ankles!!

[@silent0089]

@@sharonquintana6409 then more likely scratch your eyes

[@thighmeat6034]

gremlins

[@EldePHX]

🤣

[@JRCinKY]

Nice set of teeth

[@OptimumTaurus]

why is it every kind of cat ever is cute, even this fluffy grumpy-looking thing?! they're just all adorable in some way or another

[@nickaschenbecker9882]

My dude, ever see a binturong? They're not full-fledged cats, only feliforms, but they are so cute.

[@denverdubois5835]

They have round pupils to make them even more lethally CUUUUTE.

[@rzvn7]

Im 100% sure this cat knows kung fu.

[@Garbagejuicewaterfall]

Ray Zaki V. Naringahon 😆

[@styrokosh121]

tai lung

[@bigdawg111]

You mean HAS kung-flu

[@SpinDoctor91]

@@styrokosh121 You may be on to something looks like him.

[@joshua7225]

@@bigdawg111Truth is those animals tend to contain various viruses alike bats and rats.

[@scareleague9551]

Grumpy cat: "who are you?" Pallas's cat: "im you but wilder"

[@JanetStarChild]

Grumpy Cat: _"Gene Wilder?"_

[@topsecret1837]

FunkYeah Pallas: Oh So now you’re calling me wilder Well, that’s nice, you’re boring.

[@B0o0o0o0o0o]

Better response: "Why do you care?"

[@radistyx]

Grumpy Cat: "Who are you?" Pallas's Cat: "I'm you but alive."

[@setya4540]

@@radistyx :(

[@PaulaZF]

As others mention I only recently learned about Pallas’s cats. I’m 66 and have loved and studied cats since I was little. The other cats I recently learned about are the Desert Cats. They have also adapted to an unforgiving environment and hide well. Thank you!

[@johnasbury3856]

I was extremely impressed with its camouflaging abilities. It's fur seemed to blend seamlessly with the desert floor. Even better than sand vipers that blend in the sand. What a beautiful creature.

[@williamjordan8603]

Short ears are probably an adaptation to cold weather. Less prone to frostbite.

[@hazardeur]

Tell that to the snow leopard please

[@Raison_d-etre]

Less need for losing body heat, to be specific.

[@qpi7174]

@joecugo no??

[@rayaya6580]

@joecugo aRe YoU ThE aRe HaVe ThE dUmB

[@km626]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@sindre.]

4:49 the look you give the person kicking your seat from behind on a plane....

[@nrickj132]

💀

[@aaronramen5926]

Hahahahaha

[@dibershai6009]

LOL

[@boobiesexmachine]

why does this have the same energy as those kermit memes?

[@stickysocks6369]

Oh I kick back

[@judesjewels7831]

I first learned about Pallas's cats over 22 years ago. Back then, there wasn't much information, and even more so, photos about them. They've been one of my favourite cats (hard to choose just one species though) ever since. It's nice that much more information, photos and videos are available now, and that more people know about them. I've tried to do my share in teaching people about them. Btw, I love ♥️ your illustrations! Beetles and other insects are my favourites to sketch and paint.

[@raradidio1107]

It's a Manul, original name in Kyrgyz and Mongolian language for their local animal. Peter Simon Pallas himself used the scientific name Felis manul.

[@samanthaconn8974]

4:48 that slow head turn and facial expression 🤣 doesn't look scared. Looks like it feels disrespected to find out some weirdo was watching 😂

[@ichabod6074]

Exactly...probably wants to go to the bathroom but that damn camera

[@NbSkaz]

LMFAO

[@akaunderdog4223]

We are the weirdos! Lol

[@jena.alexia]

😂😂😂

[@Gloomistic]

LOL

[@baca9533]

Looks like it belongs in a Kung Fu Panda movie

[@89turbomk3]

BACA that’s a snow leopard

[@unknownherrscher]

Lol i read the reply with a tsundere tone because i thought it was "BAKA!! It's snow leopard"

[@steampunksamp80]

TAI LUNG I see it

[@user-fg6qq4hq3c]

Yes, so cuteee

[@steveglen3354]

@@unknownherrscher lol Exactly

[@MatildaV1980]

I got top grades in school, I like watching nature documentaries and I absolutely love cats. And still I was today years old when I first heard of this animal. I’ve lived 41 years on this planet, and didn’t know this adorable and deadly fluff creature existed. Now I’m obsessed.

[@branchie8979]

That’s cool and all but why you gotta flex the top grades part

[@Urban__Cat]

r/iamverysmart material

[@MatildaV1980]

@@branchie8979 because I’m living proof that top grades in school isn’t a guarantee that you’ve learned everything important to know in life, so obviously grades are pointless as a meassurement in that regard.

[@bzb500]

I love how they walk around and discover there is someone filming them and they stare and are inquisitive of your presence. They are so interesting.♥️🐾💋💞

[@thawkins9999]

😻yes they are! Their so pawesome!

[@sarou3457]

4:50 its that damn photographer again

[@cynthiawang874]

LOL

[@meli-melo9759]

4:44 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tick_tack]

Not only do they look expresive for those eyes. They also have eyebrows xD

[@nananadi8]

Hahahahaah! True!

[@richiexm2436]

2:40 is like they are pure wisdom

[@tothetrueyah6771]

We need to stop domestic wild animals.

[@Karin_Allen]

And teeny little noses. :-)

[@vipr1142]

Its kinda stupid to say that they look like humans solely because of their pupils

[@JRSRLN]

The body is round

[@tinytim2263]

That look on the cat's face in the thumbnail is priceless, 😂

[@ihavenoidea6854]

Pallas's kittens are really the cutest😍 Cuteness overloaded

[@Yora21]

What about African Sand Cats?

[@ihavenoidea6854]

@@Yora21 Yes . They are very cute too🤗

[@emilywinston5225]

Ikr❤

[@Network126]

MY cat is the cutest 🐈

[@SmilingAi]

​@@Network126my cat 🐈 enter the chat 😂😂

[@thecourtjester2610]

It must be the most fluffy thing ever!

[@69Solo]

It's so fluffy that I am going to die. 😍

[@enjoyer2227]

Duuuuurrrrh- OK.

[@CottonRage]

This feels like a Facebook conversation.

[@thecourtjester2610]

@@CottonRage the fact that I made this comment 3 years ago compounds that effect

[@JoeyTrejo10]

Can I just thank you for always showing babies? They melt my heart! Soooo cute!

[@Godwinpounds4333]

Hello how are you doing?

[@helenabalkanmagnumrouz]

Beautiful cat

[@shinigami1357]

How have I never heard of this animal before??

[@melaneeschwind8594]

Don't feel bad, I have never heard of them before either.

[@petersalucci5444]

Sabre IKR I’ve never heard of kt

[@scottmccluremcclure3916]

I'm 55 and an avid watcher of nature program's and I have never heard of it before

[@user2144]

Sabre People, please, don't be grumpy about this. Leave that to the cat.

[@dontemchan]

There are dozens of wild cats that no one's heard of. They're so amazing

[@natevic1867]

Imagine having a staring contest with one of these

[@riri3344]

Pallas cat: 👁️👁️ Me: ➖➖ 💧💧

[@emilywinston5225]

Cats don't blink so u will 100% lose.

[@deewesthill4705]

@@emilywinston5225 Actually cats do blink.

[@LupinLupinLupin]

@@emilywinston5225 cats blink if they like you.

[@kmokatz]

@@riri3344 😅👏

[@justin2308]

0:44 That look is 100% a “Do you mind?” expression. 😂

[@misspmag143]

They are so adorable.

[@PaladinHeart]

Why is this not 5 hours long? We need more Pallas's Cat in our lives. :D

[@Network126]

🐈

[@mafakefoot]

Thank you I love all cats and I did not know of

[@mafakefoot]

did not know Pallas cats existed Thank you

[@SmilingAi]

😂😂😂😂

[@voiceofreason1663]

my heart is melting they are so cute

[@tessnapinas9979]

agreeable- but should you freeze it back? or?...

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

They apparently have a family at the Cincinnati zoo. When we went, they were nowhere to be found. Either they were hiding or just not there.

[@TheQueenIsWithin]

Theyre so adorable. I'd love to open a sanctuary for them

[@nobody-em6bx]

When they show the kittens at 5:33 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🥺 WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM 😭

[@lindsaydunlap7220]

I think they are precious.

[@Biya666]

@@LittleWhiskey creep

[@omarkiller2222]

I agree that both tits and cats are precious

[@sexcorpio6976]

@@LittleWhiskey You are the reason why men's sex is so undervalued, you have no standard, and sex is all that is in your mind when comes what for times being is just a young human female and she is not the elephant man

[@therealbuttsmcgee]

they're so cute, I wish I was a zookeeper so I had a chance at seeing one up close 😭❤️

[@taylornoos4030]

A wild life photographer or similar would be far more enjoyable for both parties. Many, many options for us to study them in their own environments. Win win.

[@alphabet000-el6vo]

they're just too cute and adorable

[@kenziekimble7479]

When I was a kid, I had a zoo membership and would go like at least twice a week. Could not have a single visit without seeing the Pallas' cats because they are waaaaaay too cute

[@Network126]

Lol cats are adorable. I have my own cat.

[@gavinturpin2988]

Me: “Sooooooooo how’s your day going?” Pallas Cat: ......... Me: “Are you okay?” Pallas Cat: ......... Me: “You wanna treat?” Pallas Cat: ......... Me: “I’ll get you a treat” Pallas Cat: (whispers) you are the treat. Me: What? Pallas Cat: What?

[@Sadhorror]

Aaaw 😄

[@ms.keyshawineglass7590]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@krealyesitisbeta5642]

🤣

[@deed_it]

Eats the hooman whole

[@likeitmatters6046]

I love this

[@laurieb348]

Oh no. The clip "domestic cats hunting" showing kittens hunting for leaves killed me 😭 why are cats so darn cute?? They are my favorite! And of all the cats, pallas cats are my most favorite!

[@annmassey4980]

What beautiful manuls and their ears are GORGEOUS xx

[@Rascal77s]

"Can you find pallas's cat?" Oh you mean that gray feline looking thing that stands out against the green grass?

[@honoratopalma203]

🐈🤦‍♂️😂😂😺😂😂

[@island661]

5:33 my heart exploded! 😍❤️😍

[@carldouglasmiles5594]

O L you better go get that checked out, sounds like it could be life threatening.

[@emilywinston5225]

Mine too❤

[@emilywinston5225]

@@carldouglasmiles5594 lmao, I guess i need to get a check out too. :D

[@nyx2199]

currently one of my life’s goals is to find a zoo that has a pallas cat bc they’re adorable and I’ve watched so many videos abt the pallas cat lately. i discovered it and have since been obsessed. precious grumpy kitty.

[@fleur7891]

Manulization...is a channel on YT...vids of the cats at a zoo in Russia...it will tell you what city the zoo is in, long name I don't remember...also lots of nice vids of these cuties

[@novastarburst3939]

I think there's one in Italy too... Try to find Roman Paulov account, he posts lot of infos about it

[@bernadettelau1740]

These are the cutest, most beautiful and adorable cats I've seen!! 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@summonerstripclub4840]

I never saw a kitten of these dudes before.... I'm crying I can't, it's so cute I'm crying

[@Network126]

Yes they're so adorable! I'm a cat dad myself.

[@mehchocolate1257]

@@Network126 the correct name is manul cat

[@inappropriatecontent2589]

I like that you had footage of them in nature, not captivity! :)

[@noelrobertson4968]

A dose of cuteness on this hump day is all I needed. 😊☺🥰 Thank you for the info!

[@S3XYdriver]

That is so cool that you do the illustrations!! They are absolutely STUNNING.

[@samhaines8228]

I imagine the short rounded ears are also less prone to frostbite. But then again, they do have that super-dense fur....hmmm. Another wonderful video, love the channel, the content, presentation, your art, it comes together with terrific synergy!!

[@yoloswagwhipnaenae21lol88]

short, small ears reduce heat loss. :-)

[@samhaines8228]

@@yoloswagwhipnaenae21lol88 that too, for sure!

[@shinigami1357]

The sponsorship of this video caught me so of guard because I literally, *only* draw animals. Nothing else. I have dozens of animal drawings then I was like... wait a minute there are professional courses for just drawing animals? Whaa..?

[@WEYffles]

Same,I can only draw stick people whilst my animal drawings look quite decent.

[@RoxOn413]

same

[@desiree2401]

Same. Realism only though.

[@discreteloner9573]

I'm surprised too.

[@bland9876]

Maybe you can follow in this lady's footsteps and make money off your drawings.

[@keysos9youtubeblowsgoats438]

These are my favorite feline outside of my 4 cats. They are so cool looking from their fur, facial expressions, to their eyebrow whiskers. They are absolutely gorgeous and fascinating to watch their movements. They are so solitary that they could never be domesticated and therefore I will never have that dream of petting one while watching a movie come to fruition.

[@Network126]

As a cat lover and cat dad myself, I understand. 🐈

[@amphis2000]

I Love your work! 🤩 Illustrations and all the research that goes into your videos 🦎🦉🐺

[@jskd2953]

4:48 "I'm being photographed again, aren't I..." 4:53 "Oh for fucks sake..."

[@MissStrawberryGun]

She reminds me of Sadness from ‘Inside Out’

[@milkncookie]

This is what happened to sadness when her child grew up. Don't grow up, save a sadness.

[@taavittee]

😂😂

[@omarkiller2222]

also phat

[@williamthomas1022]

she's hot to me

[@jipstan27]

More like that always mad guy

[@dondragmer2412]

I never fail to be made happy and serene by watching these so-called grumpy cats. They take me away from my troubles and those of the world.

[@thawkins9999]

Oh man I wish people could have these as a pet. They look so cuddly and their gorgeous 😻

[@sergeidubarev5079]

Unfortunately, they are quite aggressive and very territorial, starting from the age of 3-4 months, to be kept as house pets.

[@rodigoduterte9192]

That cat looks like my granpa when he watches me not eating his wife's cook many year ago

[@badsmilesorrisocattivo]

Stop kill not violent drogs user, you are one.

[@OrangeMilkBlossom]

So your grandma's food?

[@martialkintu2035]

What?

[@sirsnakespeare]

His wife ? You mean your grandma right ?

[@AshrafAnam]

you mean your granpa encouraged cannibalism?

[@Feast_965]

4:50 " Wha... What the hell are you doing hooman i told you I'm busy"

[@dianafrazier2830]

I love these cats and always enjoy seeing the videos of them. They have the most expressive faces, and yes, sometimes they do look grumpy. 😻😁😻

[@Mhel2023]

I love their fluffy dense coats, I know they're keeping toasty out there in the Himalayas ❄ oh, and STOP POACHING! 😠

[@thisislinda3759]

4:48 don’t know why but I laughed so hard at that 😂

[@k.k.9777]

lol me too

[@k.k.9777]

I can imagine it saying, "are ...you talking about...me?"

[@pornesianparrapio4173]

It looks like,, he/she is caught red handed while doing something😂😂

[@ichabod6074]

He's thinking,"I see you too,"just don't get too close..,.they are such beautiful and wise animals...

[@jokutyyppi4226]

...Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[@elbubulubu]

Thank you for the amazing videos Danielle 👏

[@DarkerThanBlack88]

Thats awesome you do the illustrations. They are beautiful. You're an awesome artist.

[@leongreenfield9196]

One of the most beautiful little cats. I love them ! Little furry angels!

[@yukowade4495]

These, Rusty spotted cats and Sand cats are my favorite small feline breeds.

[@NxsRuin]

But how can you choose? Share some love for the Jaguarundi, the flat headed cat and the fishing cat as well. They are so overlooked and unloved it's sad.

[@NxsRuin]

@ I wrote 'apples' but you're reading 'bananas'... Your misinterpretation of my comment is just bizarre. Are you trolling or projecting some 'issues'??? (not trying to be funny, you're completely off base)

[@ernestogonzalez8540]

she looks like a Palla's Cat :D

[@monadotson741]

Love the Pallas cats. They Rural. Love these beautiful cats ❤

[@tsulashyfox8588]

5:32 cutest. Thing, EVER!!!!!!! >w

[@sendmorerum8241]

Also they move like rabbits or squirrels, skittish and constantly scanning the area around them. So unlike other cat species, but ultra cute none the less.

[@thecosmicowl9923]

I had no idea she also did the illustration in the background. Very cool.

[@parlayphresh6950]

Wow thats cool

[@Calvini2013]

She signs her work in every video lol

[@thecosmicowl9923]

@@Calvini2013 My powers of observation obviously suck. Lol I did notice that post-posting this, but I am still very impressed.

[@megabugginout]

The “F$&@ is you lookin at” cat? 😂 😂

[@catwolf4243]

I saw a shòw on PBS aboit cats,including Pallas' cats. Last year they were found on Mt. Everest. I think they are beautiful & hope they are around for many years.

[@viswap.8567]

I'm starting to think Mrs. Norris, from Harry Potter, may have been a Pallas's Cat.

[@tasheembuckhanon7953]

She does idiot

[@viswap.8567]

@@tasheembuckhanon7953 excuse me? How old are you

[@viswap.8567]

@@peruvianpuffpepper27 lol ikr

[@Robertius]

Nope was a Maine Coone

[@emilywinston5225]

Ummm.. I don't think so

[@idraote]

"They are near-endangered" and then "traditional medicine" is quoted. How long are we supposed to tolerate the ignorance of those specific people who believes that any animal part will heal them?

[@Anankin12]

Covid-19 strongly disagrees.

[@temikabutts79]

@@Anankin12 I concur

[@ecpgieicg]

Pouncing on the whole of traditional medicines before you have the slightest clue of them = ignorance. Yes, please stop tolerating ignorance.

[@FixedFace]

ecpgieicg have you lived in china? how many wet markets have you visited?

[@thedutchman8793]

@@Anankin12 says someone who probably doesn't know the first thing about coronavirus

[@alzychoze6591]

Love the round pupils. So cool!

[@TrungNguyen-du9cn]

Always wonder about the illustrations at the beginning of the videos. Tremendous job. 👍👏🏼⭐️

[@ashishavin8748]

Lets stop callin quackery “traditional medicines”.

[@cbdesade]

The quacks and their patients are Asian, thus a favored minority that's shielded from real criticism.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Esfandyar Mulligan What's this racist bullshit?

[@xSkittlesxNewbx]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Not racist if it's true. Just an observation.

[@michaelesposito2629]

LJK401 it’s not tho. Look up how many species are extinct, going extinct, or endangered, due entirely to Chinese medicine

[@muhamadsayyidabidin3906]

@@michaelesposito2629 agree. This makes me sad because people still believe in traditional medicine using exotic item like this poor cat fur than medical grade medicine in pharmacist

[@spooky8037]

Just imagine a pallas cat walking around your neighborhood and you think it's domestic so you go and pet it 😂

[@MT-kc6rq]

Well, a number of orphaned Pallas's Cat children seem to have made their way to the Daursky Nature Reserve after being petted by farmers and others who wondered, after petting them, just what kind of cats they were, anyway.

[@sarahbannister7824]

Aw just imagine 🤮

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

@@MT-kc6rq maybe they thought they were persians

[@Emperorgonzo1]

And now you have no hand or it runs at turbo.

[@johnh.tuomala4379]

Then your name would be Claude Balls!

[@sabineeins2651]

Aaah i just love that "You can't give me nonsense"-look

[@williamruiz7516]

Thanks for your show

[@ZachVanHarrisJR]

"I'm not taking no shyt from none of youse today, not-a-one." - Pallas's Cat aka Garfield relatives

[@ladycheyne5607]

Zach Van Harris JR 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bluevictory1010]

😂

[@catherineleary9831]

2:26 he looks like a little old man ❤️

[@anonymousmonster6492]

Wise old man

[@rivulet-rw]

I'm so happy i seen them in a zoo the other day. They're adorable.

[@francevenezia]

Something tells me they have a beautiful smile when they are alone, and no one is watching them.

[@hobosorcerer]

Traditional medicine needs to be outlawed at this point.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

It's mainly traded via underground markets. Very hard to track and shut down

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

Sometimes research into such practices has led to more scientifically understood treatments or cures, and not all of it entails destruction of rare species or cruelty to animals.

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

"their prey of choice though is the pika" *i vow to call this cat meowth*

[@Tanu75298]

Grumpy cat : you think you better than me? Pallas cat : I am better than you

[@hh7407]

You are an amazing artist!

[@gerritjebolle2486]

Very beautiful! 😻I hope people really understand NO you can’t keep them!

[@shadowsilverlight1651]

any animal can be domesticated. its all about someones opinion on whether they or anyone else should live with one. i see nothing wrong with a human looking after another animal. its the humans inability to properly take care of the animal thats the problem. too many people want the "attention" of having an exotic animal without understanding how to properly care for it.

[@MT-kc6rq]

@@shadowsilverlight1651 *YES!*

[@santhoshwagle9857]

Oh..!! Its you that makes drawings in the background!!! Your are talented... Great work great video...

[@_HimToo]

Omg These adorable friggin babies. We must breed them to save them. We can do it at my house

[@Elchamuc020]

How do these fellas manage to look adorable and killer at the same time

[@TheGeminancer]

Omg tooo cute...so fluffy...i know they are wild but I wish could hold them and squeeze their fluffy cheeks. >o

[@mahimvg]

Animal Exists Danielle: Is cute.

[@jeffreysy418]

"don't make me angry. you wouldn't like me when i'm angry."

[@donnamariebrown2478]

fantastic illustrations!!

[@astrafaan]

"Traditional Medicine" has a lot to answer for

[@arthas640]

the stupid thing is even though 90% of the animal loses with many species like lions, tigers, etc. has been in the last 50 years or so, whenever you bring it up the Chinese always try to blame the loses due to western trophy hunters and not Chinese Traditional "Medicine". I remember seeing an argument on the news where some Chinese "expert" tried blaming the population decline in some specific rhino species on the western ivory trade during the colonial era, with things like ivory chess sets and ivory piano keys being examples he used even though real experts around the globe as well as local experts said that most of the decline happened in the last 50 years and most of the poachers caught were shipping to Asian markets, with something like 80-90% just going to China.

[@lashay7684]

@@arthas640 traditional medicine isnt what's killing animals. the people that use traditional medicine live in poor rural areas where they live in villages and tribes. theres barely any of them and they have to hunt to survive. mass production, over population, refusing to recycle, deforestation, toxic gases and unsustainable energy is whats killing animals. dont blame a small group of tribal people or people in the third world for the actions of huge companies.

[@MT-kc6rq]

@@lashay7684 The body parts sold bring truly enormous amounts of money. They are not being sold to impoverished peasants living in traditional cave dwellings in Guangzhou. Only the plutocrats ca afford those prices.