Famous coaches (you know who) who use DNP should be put in Jail | AVP 8

[@philviz9012]

This pod couldn’t have been done better. Hopefully it reaches enough people to change the industries use, because its becoming VERY common, to where some coaches use this with clients CONSISTENTLY like everyone uses clen…..

[@cencil6497]

Don't you use DNP with your clients too?

[@eli2697]

I used dnp a few times back in the early 2010s when it was very easy to get dnp here in the Uk. And I gotta say, that through the years I’ve heard so much bad press about it and I disagree with some of it. Yes it’s toxic as hell but these fuckers are using silly high doses. 125mg of correctly dosed dnp can work very well as an aid. As you can still get on with your day to day shit without being a sweaty mess. Because once you get to 500mg + you really start to sweat like crazy and you can wear a t shirt in the height of winter, you feel that hot. Also, dnp has a compounding effect because of the 72 hour half life. So 250mg is like the equivalent of 500mg 5 days later I think, which is where a lot of ppl mess up. If they’re gonna take 1 gram cause they didn’t ‘feel’ 250-500 on day 1 and 2 and then up it higher, then well that’s gonna be an interesting time that’s for sure when your mrs is throwing ice cubes over you whilst you’re sitting there in the bathtub. But yeh if taking small doses then you can really get lean quick if you don’t do what most do and devour carbs. Cause it will make you crave soooo many carbs it’s ridiculous.

[@philviz9012]

@@cencil6497no. I’ve admitted 4x ever cuz I’m not a liar and people make mistakes. Once was myself. And dose was 200mg eod. Long ago. And educated myself and immediately refused to do it again. There’s a HUGE difference between an acute mistake and adjustment rather than consistent use for years…. Knowingly (because if you won’t write in on paper it means you don’t want to be caught)

[@Tsunamiieh]

Hi phil what's your thoughts on clen since you brought it up

[@Douggydrealer]

Congratulations on the birth of your boy AV! You rock brother!! ❤

[@jacob0246]

Thanks for this, just ordered a kilo of DNP, I appreciate the info.

[@AntoineVaillant]

Good luck! lol

[@michaelvodinelich]

This doctor is a well versed professional. Such a good resource you have and I really enjoyed you picking his brain

[@AntoineVaillant]

thanks man!!

[@Douggydrealer]

Best two in the game!! AV and DJ!!

[@cobbler6263]

More discussions with this Dr on different supplements please 😮 knowledge is key

[@AntoineVaillant]

noted!!!

[@jack-k6z7n]

MATT JANSEN AND AXEL KIKEL LOVE IT

[@jay-remedy-plz]

Great stuff. Let’s hear a breakdown on dietetics, loop dietetics, mercury based compounds? Lots of unknowns and bad info out there.

[@iTzDust]

Love the podcast Antoine! More of this!

[@jack-k6z7n]

IT WAS USED AS EARLY AS 1933 AND USED UNTIL 1940 THEN IT WAS BANNED

[@RobAgrees]

DNP originally got noticed for weight loss because industrial workers around it would lose weight really fast.

[@cubencis]

Nice coverage guys. Ty Dwayne

[@ObsidianWolves]

Thank you for this Antoine. I now know what I need to treat my log cabin with. for real though, this was really insightful.

[@AntoineVaillant]

😂 good for wood 🪵 glad you liked the pod!

[@deanwinchester119]

My friend ran it many times back in the day. He would only take 1 a day while doin keto for a month and got shredded. He didnt have any real issues to speak of except being really warm an stay hydrated. The positive of dnp is it kills cancer cells but it is possible it can cause cateracts in the eyes. People who take more than 1 a day is crazy when u dont need anymore than that

[@gur262]

Well... I mean. It kills cells. Some happen to be cancer. Unless I'd know I have cancer, it's not a positive 😅

[@resilientgentleman]

I used it in the past on my coach advice. Never again.

[@chrisbell8418]

I used DNP around 1995 and again around 2004. I found out about it from Dan Duchaine. I was trying to drop fat. I lost 20lbs in 18 days but it was the most miserable 18 days ever. I was constantly drenched. It was brutal. It was the middle of winter and I couldn’t stop sweating.

[@magos_0083]

Keep up the great content Antoine 💪🏽

[@Tropicalfrooploops]

It accumulates in body too, so impossible to dose safely

[@MattBricker-x4t]

Its like cheque drops never heard of it till recently i heard the most toxic oral ever

[@gjermand]

Congrats with your kid Antoine. Be the best father You can be 🌞🌞

[@AntoineVaillant]

thank you and will do! 🙏

[@Pjwalther9k]

You’re going to be the best bodybuilding podcast there is bro. Keep up the great work. DNP is something I would never try, along with superdrol, and a couple other things like diuretics. There is a fine line between risking it for the biscuit or not.

[@AntoineVaillant]

I appreciate that! thanks man! and I agree ☝️

[@PumaTomten]

What's specific risk of superdrol compared to example dbol? I have a friend who was on sdrol at times and he seems healthy otherwise

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

​@@PumaTomtenThere's not outside the usual liver spankings from orals.

[@KateWandless]

@@PumaTomtendiuretics aren’t so bad if you use with moderation, can’t see you doing well competing without

[@cencil6497]

Diuretics themselves aren't going to kill you, tons of people take them every single day just for blood pressure purposes. It's when taking them while dehydrated that it's risky.

[@Joe-ui5vi]

Oh yea DNP I have heard is horrific like, in the middle of dutch winter with the window open and a fan blowing on you, sweating profusely to the point the beds soaked. Thats a story I have heard sounds awful.

[@DG-nb6fe]

Pros can reduce 16 weeks of dieting to 8-10 weeks with responsible DNP use. Go from 12% bodyfat to 7% in 1 month then diet down slowly to 3.5-4.0%

[@davejamie5667]

thought u said had a baby on the other video, congratulations, becoming a father has been the best thing i ever did, anways love the new format definately think and hope it will take off your very honest and entertaining so its a recipe for something good all the best ❤👌👍

[@alexanderbarr3472]

Those doses are crazy I tried it once 200mg daily sweated my ass off tried 400 one day couldn't do it was burning up all day and night so this 900mg+ seems suicidal to me

[@DG-nb6fe]

200-300mgs day DNP is safe and effective. Keep antioxidants high, run 500+ mgs anabolics to prevent muscle loss. Stay hydrated. 1-2 glasses V-8 juice day for potassium. 2-3 weeks on, 2-3 weeks off repeat.

[@gur262]

Seems doubtful to just say that. Some of these dudes seem to not manage their blood pressure, you don't know where that's already at. Maybe the AC breaks down, maybe it's Canadian winter, maybe it's summer in Florida. It seems always risky to me. Perhaps closest to safe in deep winter and checking pulse and blood pressure often.

[@JohnsEyebrow]

I heard my boy john is heavy on dnp

[@Jimmy29li]

Where can I find more of Dr. Dwayne?

[@AntoineVaillant]

his IG or website under Dr Dwayne Jackson!

[@kane6529]

My Former Coach Matt’s wife often includes this in my preps and it indeed melted fat along other things not limited to my biceps and chest muscles 😥

[@AntoineVaillant]

definitely not good glad ur ok

[@erclsr]

@@kane6529 it empties all muscle glycogen eventually so you're going to feel very flat and drained ? Did you fill back out after stopping ?

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

​@@erclsrGuy. How do you lose fat without flattening out?

[@tommylarnefeldt7671]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry you keep carb in

[@kelainefes]

If you are in a deficit you'll eventually run out of glycogen.​@tommylarnefeldt7671

[@christopherkelley2718]

Congratulations my guy on your son

[@AntoineVaillant]

thanks brotha!

[@NoRest4TheWicked1]

Mr Matt can’t get a break 😂

[@minchinator]

Had a local gym owner off himself with this crap back in the mid 2000’s, burned up his insides and suffered systematic organ failure

[@HimboVegan]

Mad respect Antoine!

[@negligent666]

4 days into my first dnp cycle. Definitely sweating a lot but otherwise not bad. Caught a cold at the worst time ever though. Was already roughly 10%bf and 4 days deep i have veins coming out the woodwork. Definitely extremely effective. 250mg a day this go, lowest lethal dose recorded was 4.3mg/kg which at my weight would be 390mg

[@gur262]

I felt my face fizzle as my body stopped sweating. Close to a heatstroke at a wedding in 38 C weather. ... Just saying God be with you if your overheating. You can't just put a number on lethality when you take something that heats you up, it depends on where you are and what you do. When old people start getting heatstrokes as is you on dnp ain't safe either.

[@Qbomb32fishing]

More of this less of the push lol. Good stuff man

[@justinhammonds8575]

Congrats AV !!!!

[@AlbertaBob2024]

Mr. AV how is being a dad? congrats. Looking forward to hearing what new challenges you are facing!

[@AntoineVaillant]

Ive been loving every part of it!!

[@jack-k6z7n]

2500 WOMEN WENT BLIND BACK IN 1936

[@AntoineVaillant]

holy moly!!!

[@DG-nb6fe]

Nowadays we are informed about oxidation and the importance of antioxidants.

[@chadantonie9825]

What are your thoughts on the podcast Matt Jansen did with Justin Mihaly on fatloss products which included DNP? They seemed to have shared some positive things about its usage If done in a manner that doesn’t use high doses.

[@AntoineVaillant]

There is no control on the raw material coming from china and india so let's say some guys used it ok, it will promote a wrong belief that it can be used safely when it is never safe and not worth the risk. thats my opinion! the podcast with Dwayne covers everything about it

[@chadantonie9825]

⁠@@AntoineVaillant very good point on the raws. Not like everyone has a mass spectrometer sitting around to test quality. Thanks Antoine will be watching during my cardio session.

[@Inventor1488]

In very small doses is fine​@@chadantonie9825

[@tylerdurden5938]

I believe Dan Duchaine reintroduced this to the bodybuilding world

[@BrianNassar]

That’s what I remember too, waaaaaaaaay back in the early 90’s.

[@brittonshupe]

Yep and he also introduced clenbuterol to bodybuilding as well

[@DG-nb6fe]

@@brittonshupewhen did clen use start in bodybuilding?

[@Pjwalther9k]

Congrats on the kid Antoine

[@AntoineVaillant]

🙏

[@rvflex1934]

DNP for breakfast bro!

[@Themilkman95]

Epic! Congrats being a dad btw!

[@AntoineVaillant]

thanks man!!!

[@minotaur55]

I don't use dnp but how is prescribing gear, diuretics, insulin, megadosing gh etc any different?

[@antonhallergren588]

Says everyone til they try dnp. Fuck I know ppl who ran 16 ius of gh and 10grams of gear who don't mess with dnp

[@AntoineVaillant]

We go through why in the podcast, it's very informational!

[@erclsr]

The problem with DNP is the lethal dose is very close to the therapeutic dose,.so it's really easy to accidentaly overdose. Also it has a really long half life so you don't feel the full effect right away and it stays in you for a while. If your source didn't measure correctly, if you make an error in your dosing, or if you get impatient then you can be in for some big time trouble.

[@philviz9012]

Not as directly and significantly damaging. You can hurt yourself fast in a short window. And you won’t know it until it’s too late to catch the damage. Most of the time people think the fatigue and feeling is normal. So they are ignoring the “suffering” thinking it’s normal (which it is) and not have a reaction to something wrong due to that until much later…..

[@wallstreetbet-x7b]

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3550200/ . you pretty much overheat and die, no antidote. so good luck with it, you'll be an idiot if u use it

[@jack-k6z7n]

ANTIONE BODYBUILDERS R NOT ALTHLETES DUH!!

[@AntoineVaillant]

"Competitive bodybuilders are athletes because, like in other sports, they undergo intense physical training, disciplined routines, and focus on achieving peak physical performance. Despite being judged on appearance, bodybuilding requires strength, endurance, and precision, aligning it with the demands of athletic competition." what is considered an athlete to you?

[@jack-k6z7n]

@@AntoineVaillant NOT A SPORT ZERO SKILL SORRY PAL EATING TAKING DRUGS AND LIFTING IS NOT A SKILL AND WEARING A THONG RIPPED GLUTES IN OIL

[@jack-k6z7n]

@@AntoineVaillant ITS A T@A SHOW FOR GAY DUDES. DUDE I PLAYED MAJOR JUNIOR A ICE HOCKEY IT DOES NOT COMPARE.

[@wezzbeet2923]

No need to be rude

[@Douggydrealer]

Turn off caps lock goofy.

[@ayadyousif]

Name and shame ?

[@eriknielsen2134]

There’s nothing wrong with DNP. Use it all the time love it

[@mi16pim]

Congratulations with your son!

[@AntoineVaillant]

thank you!

[@JohannTheBotha]

DNP may have longevity benefits at single digit milligrams... Which is a fraction of the fat burning dosages. At least according to some.

[@williamsmith9315]

It's ultimately the clients choice what drugs they should take, not the coach.

[@Ekonicz]

Yes but the client is often blinded by their coach lie..

[@williamsmith9315]

@Onegamex Sure, that does happen, but all of us have access to the information we need regarding drug use, nothing is hidden.

[@kylewilliams9907]

@44:00 you are NOT in a catabolic state. It's muscle sparing.

[@TheDylsee]

This is completely unrelated but I couldn’t stop thinking about it, this guys sounds identical to my veterinarian 😂 had to double check it wasn’t him

[@AntoineVaillant]

😂

[@Vasile10012]

👍👍👍

[@Horror_Aficionado]

Can i get to 10% bodyfat naturally by reducing calories and cardio? Im thinking of starting TRT but want to try for 3 years naturally. Any suggestions anyone id appreciate it

[@cencil6497]

Dude what? Obviously you can cut to 10% bodyfat naturally... Drugs aren't getting these guys shredded -- counting calories, exercise, and not falling off your diet does. TRT has NOTHING to do with cutting to 10% bodyfat. These bodybuilders take fatburners as the cherry on top to an already established plan.

[@erclsr]

I happen to like DNP. For me, a low dose of 200mg daily for an extended period (a month plus) adds significantly to fat loss while being quite tolerable. Screw that high dose,death feeling, week long cycles.

[@philviz9012]

Still hurts your health as described above. I’ve used it with a client 4x ever and fully explained the risk and even then was hesitant. 200mg eod (long half life). But with what I know today, likely wouldn’t again. Some coaches rely on this highly….

[@MeLoNHeAd00]

Used it one prep literally thought I was going to die ! ​@@philviz9012

[@Chasing340kg]

Which coaches? ​@@philviz9012

[@cencil6497]

@@philviz9012 Where does it say a low dose still hurts your health? 33:23 They're talking about doses that make people miserable in the video, not 100-200mg. Lower dose is much more tolerable and you can actually burn more calories as you're able to get out of bed and exercise still.

[@rickygonzalez1545]

Tony Huge says it's just fine ,nuts

[@Derek_Reynolds]

Are top pros really using this?

[@AntoineVaillant]

some people will use it but i believe most arent.

[@jvery19]

💪💥

[@Jimmy29li]

Unless you are an idiot DNP is no more dangerous than diuretics. You can OD on many things.

[@Rakusa1337]

natural selection

[@AlbertaBob2024]

I've heard that Paul Dillet never did any cardio to get ready for competitions , he would just take DNP and cook off the fat

[@DG-nb6fe]

Lee Priest would get really fat in the offseason and then within several weeks would be low double digits in bodyfat because of his heavy DNP use. Of course he denies ever using it.

[@KateWandless]

Paul Dillet did hours of the slowest incline cardio ever seen, your info is wrong

[@DG-nb6fe]

Lee Priest loved DNP too.

[@MeLoNHeAd00]

Dnp = DO NOT PRESCRIBE!!!

[@AntoineVaillant]

solid acronym!!!

[@bigj3127]

So that is why some pros take ice baths ?

[@AntoineVaillant]

I dont think so! every pro I see take ice bath seem pretty relaxed and not overheating before getting in them

[@MeLoNHeAd00]

Your mucus changes colour, sweat smells weird ect .

[@AntoineVaillant]

Yeah I forgot to mention the urban legend that it will make your sheets turn yellow from your sweat!

[@non_ifbb_bro]

first.

[@AntoineVaillant]

ayeeeeeee :)

[@nicks2154]

Antoine replacing Nick Trigili as the biggest tool in the industry......?

[@AntoineVaillant]

Tool of love

[@nicks2154]

@@AntoineVaillantAt least you didn't play with your tool of love on cam like he did.

[@jaredmuller171]

I'm not sure if this is serious cause Antoine's content is hardly like Nick trigili. That muscle discord clown is easily the biggest tool in fitness content

[@erclsr]

What? Why did you say this? Antoine is likeable and funny and actually a current real bodybuilder .

[@magos_0083]

@@jaredmuller171yeahhhh I’d say muscle discord rn is on some clown shit not Antoine 😂

[@jessebrown1400]

This is how Zyzz died, taking clen, t3, and dnp in a hot tub.... preventable death, rip.

[@AntoineVaillant]

has this been confirmed somewhere?

[@useraiaj234mp]

@@AntoineVaillant no that guy made it up, there was a rumour his passing was, rec drug od, well prescribed

[@jessebrown1400]

@@AntoineVaillant It was a long time ago i saw the documentary his brother made but I think he mentioned Zyzz was using DNP and he was in a Hot Tub shortly before he died. He might've also mentioned Clenbuterol as well, from what I remember he liked to stack fat burners.

[@firestara4830]

​@@useraiaj234mpNo OP is CORRECT I live in Thailand no tourist on holiday in Bangkok scores coke in their first week, even hardcore junkies are scared here and it takes time. He was all over the BB forums asking about his DNP cycle so he could look good for his holiday he was mixing T3 and high dose DNP, combined with sauna it is what killed him but it is easier for Chestbrah to tell their mom a pre-existing condition killed him than admitting stupidity killed his little bro Edit: Also recreational drugs would have shown up on the autopsy there was nothing because DNP/T3 doesnt show

[@cencil6497]

@@jessebrown1400 He wasn't in a hot tub he was in a sauna in Thailand.