Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu testifies [FULL]

[@ddgirl4135]

The whole thing is sad. Disrespectful, drunk brats, a man with a knife, nothing good happens when alcohol is involved. Unfortunately a young man died.

[@nicusortiganus]

Yes and that guy was 17 with the most alcohol in his head

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

Sad but 17 is when young men are indestructible. That's why weed put them in the military

[@jeffreyrobbins-jg2rd]

I don't think he was drunk

[@JennyLouLou]

​@@jeffreyrobbins-jg2rdhe admitted to drinking 5 to 6 beverages, so yes he was drunk.

[@lesiapersimmon7547]

Drunk people have clashed on the Apple River for 50 years...what if we all stabbed eachother?! ​@rawveganterra

[@zaxles]

Why were they so hostile to him. All I hear during the trial is “he looked weird” “he was just standing there” “he had a blank stare” but why be hostile? It makes no sense no matter how the kids tried to explain it

[@cortneyrens]

Adult bullies trying to get a rise out of a guy minding his own business, then assaulting him. Agreed it makes no sense, decent humans don’t do that to others

[@kylev5602]

One loudmouth, show-off football player clown is responsible for this whole mess.

[@TheDriftingsmoke]

He forgot how to communicate

[@0onpoint]

dumlat communicates so well, fellow nillifet wearer.

[@I.AM.JUPITER]

@@TheDriftingsmoke he has a language barrier

[@Debi53-r6n]

He has a right to search anywhere he chooses. Those two girls had no right to tell him to leave. Madison and Riley are responsible for escalating the issue and the results that followed. He couldn't escape anymore. Self-defense was his only option.

[@Bunny-ur8fd]

100 percent. Anyone who sees differently is not objectively assessing the evidence and the video…. Video does not lie.

[@gardensofthegods]

I totally agree with both of you and it just is so disturbing how many people are defending those disgusting brats and those two women I mean their behavior reminds me of something from Lord of the Flies . Instead of calling this the Apple River stabbing trial , it should be called The Lord of the Flies trial

[@gardensofthegods]

They deliberately decided to Target this guy the minute they laid eyes on him starting with the LIE where they claimed he said he was looking for little girls . This whole thing has made me so disgusted

[@govindagovindaji4662]

Yea, one of her own friends testified that contrary to what she wanted people to believe, there was NO WAY that her actions were in the interest of calming down the situation.

[@marionroffler2729]

Yes your‘e right,but he choose the knife and after all he lies and lies…

[@micahlefevre652]

Crazy, isaac had his hands on miu's neck when he recieved the fatal blow. Dont be drunk in public, dont treat violence casually and youll save yourself a lot of trouble.

[@graysonsturgill3873]

Defense went out of their way to make it seem like Isaac choked him out. The slide they showed was the placement of isaacs hands as he shoved miu. They failed to show that his hands were on his neck for less than a second

[@rockymntdan1]

​@@graysonsturgill3873so he's supposed to be polite and wait for the aggressor to fully choke?

[@sing2me]

​@rockymntdan1 you did not watch all of this video let alone the entire trial. Nor do you understand the requirements to protect self-defense. Isaac's hands were on his arm and chest... when Miu reached out to stab him, the hands were forced to move up to Miu's neck because of Miu's movement.

[@sing2me]

I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember. But he MURDERED.

[@rockymntdan1]

Ever been in a fight? Laying hands on someone is assault.

[@mrlanders08]

Kids who are properly parented would never have done what these kids did.

[@bergkampsballs7842]

Adults who were properly parented wouldn't have done what this guy did.

[@MK-tq6zx]

​@@bergkampsballs7842nah bro they definitely would

[@bergkampsballs7842]

@@MK-tq6zx Maybe you'll be the next idiot that ends up in jail after killing a kid in a fight you instigated then.

[@bergkampsballs7842]

@@MK-tq6zx If you can't see what this clown did wrong then you might wanna be very careful you don't end up doing time in jail for killing somebody in an argument you instigated because you couldn't mind your own business.

[@jenniferallen4420]

Sane, mature,adults don't retaliate with a knife against disrespectful children. They dont or shouldnt sock a woman in her face over mean words/attitude.

[@ryanramel604]

I can see giving him a year or two for taking it to such an extreme. But there is no denying he acted in fear for his personal safety. Who wouldn’t be scared in that situation? People get killed in situations like this every day. This could just as easily be the other way around

[@timrachu8614]

Where is your logic based? You admit he had a right to fear for his personal safety aka his life and yet he should be separated from his family for defending himself.

[@ryanramel604]

@@timrachu8614 im just saying i “can see it” I would vote not guilty

[@strawberryxoxo6841]

Watching the video i felt so bad for him. Why tf were they so hostile over an older man looking around for a phone? Not just that but accusing someone of being a “pedo” than spreading those lies and pushing him down and laughing trying to humiliate him? Ganging up on him. Like wtf? I think he just got scared and acted out of defense ofc like anyone would. “Walk away” yes so easy to walk away when you’re ganged up by strangers accusing you of being a “pedo” when you’re just trying to help your friend by finding his phone. I don’t think he even realized that he had severely stabbed them and was in shock. Poor guy and shitty situation.

[@bergkampsballs7842]

He instigated the argument with them, whilst they could have dealt with it better, this guy is certainly not the victim here.

[@Sm1rkz]

Yikes, so you think it’s just okay to start stabbing people cause your feelings are hurt.

[@cindydailey8178]

Very true

[@wesleyferreira9610]

Ele ágil por legítima defesa

[@dontmindmeimjustchilling]

You literally projected ALL of that, wow. He ran up on two minors and wouldnt say anything, started touching their legs, and the yelled for help. Then Miu punched a woman in the face and then started slashing. What you were watching were people justifiably getting frustrated with a man who ran up on two minors boys and was just standing silently while smirking at them.

[@blessedthisday]

Madison escalated everything. If she didn't come along..the boys probably would've gotten bored with Nic & eventually just floated on past. This Karen should've just minded her own business.

[@candykane4271]

You are correct plus the whole case also hinges on Karen Madison and her supposedly getting a smack. She will be in someone else’s face in her future. Beware.

[@martygras378]

I am not sure Nic would have left the boys, he was very angry, and anything the boys said probably would have set him off.

[@martygras378]

Had Nic just left when Madison directed him to go away, nobody would have gotten stabbed. Nic did NOT need to artificially make the ground he was standing at the time, his stand your ground spot. He didn't need that spot for any reason. He didn't need to look further in that area for the cell phone, the cell which wasn't his.

[@time2chill121]

This is why guys always talk about a woman knowing her place. Feminism turned young women masculine. This caused the deaths of all of her friends.

[@12345fowler]

I would expect some girl to defend herself & her friends if approached by an awkward weirdo who show sign of agressiveness, invade their personal space and his so speach impedimented that he deosn0t even say a word to them about what he is doing there.

[@Root1966]

I feel horrible for this guy. He definitely made some mistakes in hindsight but if these teens and young ladies had shown some common respect for a complete stranger simply looking for a lost phone none of this would have occurred.

[@garystevens8598]

Some mistakes. Killed a teen, and attempted to kill 4 others, including women.

[@foxglovepearls]

Seriously? He cried for his dog but showed zero remorse for killing a 17 year old boy! He’s so guilty!

[@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566]

I feel horrible for the people he harmed. I especially feel horrible for the person he killed and their friends and family. I feel bad for his wife who was forced to making a 911 call not knowing her husband was the one who did all the slashing and stabbing.

[@GreedyPoetPlayToWin]

@@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566 boohoo they were hostile

[@ellaova]

Wish he could have communicated his intentions instead of just running up on the dude filming. Is he a hunter/fisher; why the super sharp knife? Interesting he believed the only Black kid was in possession of the missing phone.

[@andymalone5120]

I hope he gets a not guilty and cleared of all charges,what is someone suppose to do when you have a bunch of bullying little $hits

[@jimhull3103]

Walk away?

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

​@@jimhull3103you don't walk away when you are being terrorized

[@caughtinthevoidfloyd5821]

Walk away or stand your ground. Neither ar ebreaking the law​@@jimhull3103

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@jimhull3103he tried. Maddie and Co. intercepted him. Not guilty.

[@scott_madsen]

⁠@@rockstarofredondogive me a break!..he could of kept walking if he wanted to..GUILTY!

[@alexalonzo7955]

After seeing the slides this was 100% self defense. Also clears up the only thing I didn’t understand which was why he initially grabbed the tubes which was because he slipped. NOT GUILTY

[@H0v0H]

So you just take him at his word about slipping? Clearly you don't think critical so your opinion is invalid.

[@TruFight1]

​@williamclayton2323 he might be doing a couple years in prison sure, but not because he's guilty of murder, it will be because of people like you that are unable to put yourself in an old man's shoes who was outnumbered and fearing for his life. He didn't go their with the intention of hurting anyone. These kids were completely outta control, fucked around and found out.

[@MrAirnike8]

@@TruFight1This….is…America ….NOT ASIA OR EUROPE OR AFRICA!!! You don’t not have the right to walk up to a group and initiate physical contact! Period! He walked away and then came back. He’s a demon and you’re one too. Leave this country, you’re dragging us down. How do you really logically think you have the right to touch someone and get in their personal space.

[@backalleyburrito1815]

​@@williamclayton2323just like Kyle Rittenhouse?

[@barbpelletier7342]

On the video it sure looks like he tripped and fell forward and grabbed the tube to steady himself.

[@gatekeeperlion75]

Nic's testimony did not help him, he went too far for self defense, imho. I'm 6'2" 240 fit individual, and I would back away from six drunk, screaming, harassing bullying jocks. I would not "stand my ground" especially when it was 13 drunk people screaming like hyenas. Get away. At most, brandish the knife to back them off. BUT LET"S NOT FORGET Jawahn Cockfield incited everyone to attack this man for NO REASON other than he's a punk. Saying this man was a pedophile and a rapist. That he was looking for little girls. Of course, those false accusations will get everyone worked up, especially a bunch of drunks. For the culture! What does that even mean? Is it falsely accusing someone of the worst things you can say, just because they are looking for their phone? Groups of young people slandering, screaming, bullying, and pushing an old man. Hyenas. I am grateful I'm not his dad, but if I was, HE WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. Without Jawahn doing that, NONE of this happens, at all. Where are the charges for Jawahn Cockfield, who incited a mob, which is what actually led to this tragic death in the first place? I don't know how he can sleep at night. Everyone with a brain that watches the entire video can see that he got his "friend" killed. And that fact that he did a selfie on the video while his friend bled out and the river turned red is ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

[@H0v0H]

I'm pretty sure anybody that doesn't have worms chewing on their brain wouldn't take somebody for their word when they say "that guy's a pedophile" and attack the guy. Most people would try to figure out what's going on.

[@BlissetEris]

@@H0v0H 🤔brah

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

Do you often find it difficult to suppress your racism?

[@H0v0H]

@@BlissetEris I meant that they wouldn't take a person for their word. I just fixed it

[@grneys45]

The young man was killed because a grown man took out his knife and stabbed him several times..

[@jhawkmolly]

I think the defense should call a psychologist to explain how trauma effects people's memory. I don't think losing memory after a traumatic event is uncommon at all.

[@grizzlywhores459]

Total memory loss? Highly unlikely.

[@jasonmartinez7202]

Lol stop 🛑 ...... he's playing stupid and lying...... like he has done a 100 times since he was locked up! Everyone is guilty here and it's a really really sad situation 😔..... He's going to prison... just for how long

[@thanksfornoticingme9846]

This guy. Was slap drunk..some folks are mean drunks..i had a hubby who was..looking for argues with anyone..this old man punched and stabbed a tiny woman and 4 others out of anger

[@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566]

Is lying to the police after being traumatized by two women just a natural reaction?

[@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566]

He promised his wife or ex wife at this point. That quote “it would be a calm day this time “. To me that sounds like he gets out of control a lot.

[@rsr5161]

Those girls should be charged. Who do they think they are

[@time2chill121]

They're Kamala voters

[@rayne7340]

Even now, he seems totally unaffected by the horrific video and his attacks

[@NnEnkaa_]

He's an aggressive man who came intentionally to those kids with bravo & was ready & willing to take on an altercation. The jury got it right & justice has been served.

[@daddysdachamp596]

Bullshit

[@pejlml]

@@NnEnkaa_ did you watch everything or js certain videos? THOSE LIL SHTS ATTACKED HIM. Use your eyes w some damn common sense. NONE of their testimonies matched up w what’s in their reports. Tht should be the main thing to tell you they’re all liars

[@JS-yf9xh]

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[@JS-yf9xh]

First off watch this again. Second, how tf do you know how he feels? How do you know how affected he is? You have no idea how this man feels.

[@Dathatch_boi]

Imagine your looking for a phone, get jumped, defend yourself, then get charged with homicide, this system been broken

[@Eric-rm1fs]

Clearly you didn't see all of the evidence and the number of unarmed victims that were harmed in his rampage.

[@JesusSoldier12]

@@Eric-rm1fsI definitely did and I still believe he shouldn’t have been convicted stupid teens playing stupid games could have killed him over a heart attack etc… they put themselves in that position the moment under age drinking and using drugs… again just because they were kids they got away with it but they should all have been charged for being under the influenced and the bullying

[@theaydin9741]

@@JesusSoldier12 The dude ran back to them, his bs lie about looking for the phone all the way where they were at is straight horse shite. I think we all could agree that there were many points in time where he could have walked away. A full ass grown adult acting like that.... Even if they had found his friends phone by some god given happen chance, why the fuck did he have to act like some wild beast and run towards them, pretty much tackling them? This world needs a reset if there are this many people on his side... Sad.

[@spectrealangritch]

@@theaydin9741I honestly believe people got bored and stopped watching during the defense portion.. just called it a day based on that. The last hour makes him look guilty as hell…

[@martygras378]

​@@spectrealangritchAgreed, some have only seen the video, and don't realize it is of his SECOND creepy visit to the teens

[@rsr5161]

Teach your kids to not harass and bully people ! Unfucking real these kids

[@cool_breeze_actual9643]

Not guilty. Easily.

[@mediaterrorists8969]

So, butchering kids for being normal brat kids should be law of the land?

[@bmyra]

Classic case of self defense. Shame on the prosecutor for charging the wrong person.

[@mirandarose7474]

​@mediaterrorists8969 way to defend the mob thugs

[@steve8803]

@@mediaterrorists8969 Defending yourself against 13 fully grown, drunk, belligerent young men and women that are physically assaulting you IS THE LAW OF THE LAND!

[@ashleyvanerp5910]

This generation sucks. Zero respect for others and no accountability

[@KenWillMortonMusic]

all of you say he's guilty, would it have been different if he used his fists and a punch killed a kid instead of a blade? someone physically attacks you, you're justified defending...also, around water triggers an especially robust defense upon an attack out of fear of drowning

[@daniellelightfoot8394]

If he hit the girl and the boys came to her defense wouldn’t that be justified as well? I honestly believe he did hit her because it quickly went from everyone just arguing to getting so upset about something it got physical.

[@gem3639]

​@@daniellelightfoot8394she put her hand on him. that's ASSAULT...

[@lilpinksliplee7310]

I'm 60 years old and l wouldn't have gone over to another group of tubers. I have gone tubing and we have lost several items in the rivers you don't bother anyone else PERIOD and stay with your own group. None of this would have transpired if he had #1 stayed with his group #2 continued to walk away the 1st time #3 looked for the phone when the area was clear.

[@breckoz]

are you trying to make an equivalent here of fists to knife? Your defending the guy who instigated this by coming over to the kids and leaning over them and their tubes, the guy who was saying he was standing his ground instead of leaving like multiple people had asked... There wouldn't have been a death and disembowelments if that knife wasn't there.

[@Mach2style]

Yikes this is a bad argument because the answer is it would of been absolutely no different! Knife, fist, or safety scissor. The weapon in question is not the aggravating factor it’s motive/intent. No need to search for the phone. Lying and evading police. Discarding crime scene evidence (knife). Stabbing after supposed threat ended. No confession or surrendering to LE (very diff to Rittenhouse who actually followed every step to having a good self defense). No need to be in kids vicinity as proven by his own friends. I can keep going.

[@shellyclancy1307]

Not guilty!!

[@otherwhere8492]

He killed someone, he's a murderer.

[@lb2645]

Not guilty. .ppl put their hands on nic and incited a mob to attack him. He could have been seriously hurt or killed had he not defended himself. We will never know. But i can see why he would be afraid and defend himself

[@karleells6540]

Nope. He will be found guilty. He ambushed those that were stabbed.

[@gem3639]

​@@karleells6540WRONG. they ambushed him w/ like a bunch of wild hyenas...

[@onepartyroule]

Again, no one was an actual physical threat to him until he started assaulting people. The 17 y/s were the cause of the verbal abuse, Mui was the cause of the deadly results.

[@gem3639]

@@onepartyroule WRONG. They caused Mui to act in self defense because they assaulted him verbally and physically.

[@karleells6540]

@@gem3639 he had no medical injuries, by course of the video, he hid the knife, and he stabbed 5 unarmed people very badly and killed one of them. Then he lied about everything. He will be guilty

[@grafando]

How can people put the burden on the victim who is defending himself? They started the trouble, were harassing him, and he defended himself. This country is gone..

[@anonnymous31]

He stabbed the girl who was walking away and was no threat to him. 100% guilty.

[@tobystanzfeld1154]

And also he hit a girl first so they stomped him then he started stabbing

[@kooooooo7470]

So there allowed to stomp him

[@spectrealangritch]

Did you watch the whole thing? Or just the defense portion? 😂 It was pretty well elucidated that he had no reason to be near the kids in the first place, didn’t say anything to them before interrupting their movement… acted weird, then instead of leaving squared up to them. He also lied through his teeth about several key facts, including how, when and why he got hit. Having a knife at all… claimed they had knives. I feel like people just take a facebook verdict and run. Watch the whole video next time.

[@atrain132]

​​@@spectrealangritchrofl 🤦 delusional.

[@liliv-t1d]

this was lowkey self defense, they were bullying him and assaulting him. it was him against over 4 drunk teenagers

[@candykane4271]

4 adults 6 teens

[@Mimi197-f2z]

no way

[@Sailboat784]

High key self defense, literally got stabbed while his hands were around his throat

[@Justario]

It wasn't. He lied to the cops that the teens / adults had weapons (Hint hint, he was the sole person with a weapon) and he was the aggrivator as well. Punched the women first, then proceeded to stab 5 folks. Guy's full of shit.

[@Sailboat784]

@@Justario he didn’t hit anyone, the girl was grabbing and shoving him. The kids lied about him hitting her to justify punching him, it’s a very common lie boys use, along with calling people pedophiles which they already were doing. Both times he stabbed people were while they actively had their hands on him and were accosting him.

[@julesfromsydney]

No doubt he was bullied, no doubt he was harassed, no doubt of pack mentality behaviour that put the accused in a position of self-defense and there is no doubt that bullying/harassment caused the escalation of this crime. The accused is not guilty of murder he did not go out there with an intent to kill anyone. This case will come down to self defense and whether the jury believes the actions of the accused were reasonable/not excessive or unreasonable and excessive after reviewing all of the evidence. In considering a self defense plea what will be most scrutinised here is the accused's actions after the fact and the jurys decision will come down to how they view that. They may consider a lesser charge of manslaughter based on the evidence. Laws are certainly flawed and right or wrong it will all come down to this. The best that can come from this case is that it is used in schools to highlight the dangers of bullying/harassment. Further awareness of these toxic behaviours needs to be taught in schools and at home.

[@cortneyrens]

Well said! Agree 💯, not guilty. Never should have been charged when they had the video that shows everything.

[@shimmer8289]

Can the jury choose manslaughter which is a compromise between premeditated and self defense ??

[@JuggoJuggo]

Why did he turn around at the beginning? Is it ok to put yourself into a group of people that don't want you there, then claim self defense?

[@mdbhope]

@@JuggoJuggo THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! THANK YOU! He should have walked away before any of this got to that point. Period. And words spewed do not give anyone any excuse to resort to violence.

[@H0v0H]

Why didn't he speak up? Even during his own trial he doesn't speak above a mumble. He's so pathetic he couldn't just go "everybody shut the hell up" and explain himself? That's what I do when drunk people are talking too loud and I'm trying to get a message acrossed. But noooo nic "I was afraid" miu just stood there like an idiot and said nothing. He just started brandishing a knife while two women are yelling at him.

[@IamN...]

This is a clear case of self defense.

[@AV84USA]

The video and facts and common sense do not match the prosecutors narrative. Apparently, in Wisconsin you’re expected to just lay down and let the mob do what they want to do.

[@strawberryxoxo6841]

Yes or “walk away” when you’re being surrounded and pushed around. That bs wouldn’t slide here in Texas

[@erikabulsara538]

the prosecutor knows what miu means when he says that time slowed down. It is a common expression.

[@BHarly]

What do you mean?

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@BHarlyit’s a dream-like state. Prosecution trying to imply his mental state should have been clearer was silly.

[@menonunya2984]

The prosecutor was throwing a lot of bullshit questions and statements at him and that's how you know when the State is more interested in getting a win than they are about actual justice. In this case, they may be worried about getting sued for denying the man a speedy trial. He sat in jail for two years before even getting a court date.

[@BHarly]

@@rockstarofredondo about as silly as when the defense was cold and calculus and insensitive to them, the victims when they were testifying and everybody was talking trash about them. And how they had issues not remembering. That’s hilarious I do believe he’s a liar and he’s going to end up going to prison..

[@BHarly]

@@rockstarofredondo his mental state should’ve been clear he should’ve been more mature. Unfortunately, he wasn’t and he was nefarious himself. He didn’t like the comment after what the young adult said it , and he came back to retaliate and be menacing as well. He admitted on the stand that he hit that woman and stabbed the other one. He stabbed people that weren’t even that didn’t even hit him. and I thought the prosecution made a great point that he had his back to the so called “threatening mob” ? 🧐✍️ if it was threatening why’d, you have your back to them. Because he was cool as a cucumber with that knife. 🔪 you can’t stab people for something. They said … and he already admitted on the stand that only one person hit him. So it wasn’t the mob attack theory that you all thought. He stabbed people that never even hit him. And people think he’s innocent you’re off your rockers. in self-defense, you have the burden to prove that you are not an aggressor in the crime. And well, we know he was menacing. He came back. He pulled the knife out before anyone even hit him. And he admitted that on stand. He lied multiple times about what the teens were doing and young adults in the crime. and he shared his feelings in the police interview video about how he felt about these young adults. And what he felt about the comment they made. And then so he goes back to the group. Bumps their tubes with the teens think that it’s silly and strange to do that.. so he stays around some more and they ask him to leave and he doesn’t and he ends up, pulling up a knife on two females. And hitting one and stabbing the other and then gutting everyone. Who tried to get him down on the ground. I mean, the young adults aren’t perfect but damn they was just trying to get the big boy down. He’s a psycho. With a knife, you can’t kill somebody because they said something to you don’t like. Ask yourself why somebody would go back to a group that already called them a name. With a knife and bumped the raft he was there for nefarious reasons as well.

[@kristenbradley6958]

As a mother, my heart truly goes out to Issac’s mother!! But i feel the ALCOHOL was more to blame for his death than this innocent man!!

[@jodycwilliams]

Alcohol and drugs. Do not forget the drugs.

[@ryanramel604]

@@jodycwilliamsweed isn’t drugs. They sell it at stores. And the weed isn’t what had everybody all gassed up. It was the booze. If this had been an alcohol free, pot party on the river none of this would’ve happened. No hard drugs have been mentioned yet

[@onepartyroule]

If an inert object like alcohol is the culprit then what do you suggest we do with alcohol? Do you use the same reasoning for gun control? Do you think people who drink drive shouldn't be held accountable for any harm caused during the act? Just curious how consistent you are and what you think the implications of your claims are, or should be. This "innocent" man started striking people he was having a verbal altercation with. When someone hit him in response to his unprovoked attack and started stabbing people. Alcohol may have been part of the equation, but the KNIFE and intention to use it was the crucial element. Without the knife this would likely have played out like thousands of verbal -- even physical -- altercations play out in America and elsewhere every year: people get insulted, even bruised, but they all walk away alive at the end of it.

[@jodycwilliams]

@@onepartyroule Not even the DA is disputing that he was attacked first. That isn't even a discussion in this trial and you'll notice the DA artfully avoiding that quite a lot. Perhaps you should watch some of this before trying to join the conversation.

[@onepartyroule]

@@jodycwilliams Attacked first how? No one (apart from the defendant) is disputing the violence started with him hitting the woman; multiple witnesses corroborate this, including ones not directly involved.

[@StinkyBlack1]

This prosecution is weak and they know it. He’s not guilty.

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

The prosecutor is trying to establish “guilt” because he a) went to look for the phone, b) because he was in a river near drunken teens (who btw don’t own the river); and c) because he had a pocket knife. Pathetic

[@kongyang3095]

his question was fucking stupid trying to incriminate him as a predator already,

[@mattg2306]

@@ConstantGardener-q9q Exactly. Plus, anyone who asks "why did he bring a knife" to the river is clearly very sheltered and doesn't go out into nature very often.

[@iso3470]

@@ConstantGardener-q9q He also fled the scene and lied to cops saying he had no involvement

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

@@iso3470 he did. But he could’ve been frightened out of his mind and not able to process what just happened.

[@rcarlisi63]

they overwhelmed him.......some of the rabble rousers need to be held accountable..........not guilty.

[@bowlofnuggets]

bro is a manbaby who can’t handle his liquor. why didn’t he just walk away? pathetic behaviour from a so-called ‘man’

[@_B.C_]

They didn’t, he admitted on video he tripped and was not pushed over. Guilty af

[@cortneyrens]

Agreed NOT guilty!

[@H0v0H]

Nic is just a bitch. I bet he's somebody's prison wife. I bet his husband is sick of hearing "I'm scared", "I don't remember", and "I pooped my pants" all the time.

[@User415-w9r]

He ran up to their tube's aggressively.. so they made fun of him. He pulled out a weapon and they reacted. Then he stabbed and murdered. Unbelievable people haven't taken the time to break down the video

[@Scooter2730]

The man had just had been in the hospital for a heart attack and now in jail for self defence from some shitty drunk teens not minding their own business. Just shows how quickly life can change for the worse. Not guilty.

[@bergkampsballs7842]

It was him that wasn't minding his own business. He is guilty and rightfully doing time.

[@jenniferallen4420]

​@bergkampsballs7842 these people saying he's not guilty are straight up insane and dumb. This Nic guy got pissed the kids were little shits and tried to kill them out of anger. And successfully killed 1. This guy aggressively ran up on them after they mocked him and tried running their day like they tried ruining his. Nic baited these people into a physical altercation so he could seriously hurt them. This was punishment for how they treated him so poorly. Crazy mf. Jumped right in the sandbox with the kids.

[@SuperAisha28]

This man should go for a RE-TRIAL!!! Better find better attorneys! What he did was self defense!

[@drunktomcruise8224]

He got the same lawyers as Kyle Rittenhouse.... I believe the jury was just extremely biased...

[@NnEnkaa_]

It WASNT self defense because he had OPTIONS to leave. Fighting for your life is when you have NO OTHER options, he did!

[@samzuro]

🙏🏼 amen

[@lmyt8610]

I think he lied because it was 13 against one and was afraid he’d lose regardless. If he knew the video would be floating around he probably would have told the truth so now that doesn’t look good for him say he don’t remember any of the lying. Sure he must have been in shock and adrenaline rush still but didn’t help his case

[@meganr9280]

@@NnEnkaa_”fight or flight” his response was to fight under extreme stress. Can’t fault him for his being in fear of his life and not wanting to turn his back on the hyenas harassing him. I think the jury made a huge mistake on this one

[@norumbega5897]

Jury got it WRONG. Not Guilty should have been the verdict. It sucks that a death resulted but if you want to play stupid games be prepared to win stupid prizes. Unbelievable miscarriage of justice here.

[@billd3060]

Both sides were stupid, the kids behavior was awful but the man did not need lethal force. He knew it himself and that is why he lied initially to the police that they had knives too. He stabbed a girl in the back as well. I think Jury got it perfectly right, not murder but wreckless homicide

[@RyanJansen-mf7wu]

​@@billd3060 If Nicolae had legimate business to tend to such as searching for his friend's phone as well as allegedly needing to retrieve a snorkle from this group of teenagers, then it's difficult to interpret the initiative to leave as HIS. And if I heard everything correctly, it sounds like a heart health-stricken Nicolae didn't resort to a bladed-weapon until after Maddison both became physically aggressive AND was waving her fellow companions over (who at least some of which turned out to have a similar demeanor as her). And it certainly didn't help being trapped from some other direction by the teenagers. Lastly, although lying was counterproductive, perhaps that could be a whole seperate charge. Regardless, being so well outnumbered by people whose judgement is questionable...(both opposing parties of the defendant's), it still seems just to grant him something of leniency here too...less than his seeking of a knife, but still something of significance.

[@russellwright9813]

Nobody in mess was innocent, but they put it all on him. The whole bunch should have done a couple years in jail. Except the black dude, he instigating this horrible mess.

[@RichardHunter-p2o]

That what recess people do when getting together wanting trouble

[@matttymajor8507]

It’s weird that people like you are here clearing watching the case like the rest of us, but you get it so wrong

[@mariateixeira4460]

This was a very sad set of circumstances. I do not believe Nick was trying to hurt anyone. These kids were being jerks. Even if they wanted Nick to get away from them there was need for the inappropriate name calling, taunting, and physical harm. I do not believe he is guilty.

[@daniellelightfoot8394]

You don’t believe he is guilty even though he admits to indiscriminately stabbing people?

[@onepartyroule]

They were being verbally disrespectful, but there's zero evidence that they issued any verbal threats of violence, and the violence done to him was not life threatening and was in response to his physical violence. Even after he started stabbing people, nothing they did threatned his life. He could have walked away at any point (and did, eventually) but chose to escalate, eventually to a deadly degree. It doesn't seem like anyone is being their "best self" in the video evidence, but the idea that you would allow a person to get away with a stabbing spree because they'd been insulted by people who posed no clear physical threat is not compatible with a civilised society.

[@0onpoint]

Not life threatening is something the victim gets to assess once he is attacked, they kept pushing him and charging him. the last names cohen and schuman don’t make “people” innocent.

[@bstevermer9293]

He had so much force behind his stabbing he cut through 2 ribs. Dude was out to kill.

[@JennyLouLou]

Those teens should be charged for being jerks.

[@Pawnee123-r1b]

I feel horrible for this man and the young people involved. If all just walked away none of this would have happened.

[@LL-wc4wn]

If he didnt rush at them... If he walked back instead of pulling a weapon.. if he walked over to the adults group away from teens instead and explained instead of pulling a knife... If he pulled his knife and attempted to walk back away or to his group instead of refusing to leave a drawing knife.

[@stevena.7022]

​@@LL-wc4wnyou assigned all the what if's to Mui. Can you point out the same moments for all the rest?

[@LL-wc4wn]

@@stevena.7022 watch the investigation by the detective... everything i said a few days ago was proven right haha. Owned.

[@LL-wc4wn]

@@stevena.7022 you mean i should say what if the teens didn't stab him? What if the teens didnt stab 5 people? What if the teens didnt rush over to him? What if they didnt go over to him and then refuse to leave and draw a weapon?

[@burningspoonful]

​@@LL-wc4wnlmao he means what if the teens didnt assault him immediately for being a stranger? You should keep your comments to yourself while the adults are speaking

[@mrlanders08]

Him lying to the cops afterward didn't help his case.

[@davidharden7575]

i don't care what the hell he said to the cop. I saw the tape. I see an innocent man being picked on by a mob in a very vulnerable place. They could have easily drowned him. They were ganging up on him for literally no reason. Justifiable in my view. And i'm someone that has been in 3 fights my whole life. I don't have a record. Not violent. Not given to anger. I don't know what i would have done if i had been him. I would of been afraid for my life.

[@kayjay4952]

So let’s say I get 29 years older and I turn 40-50. I’m supposed to just sit there and let myself be killed or drowned if drunk teens start punching me, and pushing my head under water? Mind u he was trying to walk away after he gets attacked, and it’s. It so easy for a 40 year old in athletic man to just sprint away extremely fast in waist deep water. B He couldn’t call police cuz he was looking for his phone, once he was already getting attacked it’s no possible way he could have outrun them

[@candykane4271]

Well, fact your first paragraph is how I am thinking…be prepared to be mugged an know what you can and cannot do. FYI he was 52 when this happened. The water where he was ankle deep but rocky, and he had sandals on to protect your feet from the rocks. He was looking for a friend’s phone…he was snorkeling for it, it’s why he had no phone. I am disgusted with the youth of today, entitled.

[@dinkybo]

I saw the video. It’s incredibly alarming how those out of control kids were aggressive and violent. It was pretty clear that they took on a mob mentality. This is clearly self defense. The man is surrounded by a large group of aggressive people. They pushed him into the water and he had no one to help. What a nightmare for everyone. The man has lost so much weight.

[@les0101s]

Wasn't he standing when he was stabbing people?

[@halo10001]

If it was self-defense, why did he intentionally try to play it off like nothing happened? He walked back to his group like nothing happened, and ditched the knife. He also lied to the cops multiple times saying he had no idea what happened, then lied again saying the kids had knives and drew them first. Like yeah bro, whenever I commit self-defense and shoot someone, I totally try to play it off like nothing happened. Then I completely lie to the cops about what happened. Whoops!

[@ajtcaps]

Are you kidding?! They weren’t violent. Nobody was violent until HE punched a woman in the face. He took out his knife while he was standing being mouthed off by two women. I hope you don’t run into anyone like this. I guess you’d be ok with it? wtf?

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

2:12:45

[@heartsmyfaceforever8140]

Especially concerning since weed makes you calmer and not more violent.

[@slayerhuh404]

Not Guilty

[@sdasdasdsaddas]

hes clearly guilty cause he was found guilty by the court. cope now ha ha ha. loony bin

[@489graves]

Nope

[@mrasic3507]

MINUTE 50:01 MR. MUI WAS """ATTACKED"" - The wrong people are in trial.....THIS IS A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE! Everyone who was attacking him and berating Mr. MUI needs be in PRISON 😡 I'm calling the damn authorities in Wisconsin and expressing my concerns..... WISCONSIN IS BACKWARDS..... WHAT ARE THEY A BUNCH OF IGNORANT PEOPLE WTF 😖😖😖😖

[@roadhousepress]

No he wasn’t - they were defending against his attacks. Pay attention.

[@413X-o4w]

​@@roadhousepress imagine punching and knocking down an old man and calling him the attacker

[@memyselfi5120]

Didnt happen like that. Maybe watch this entire video again.​@user-cl4ku1wb4u

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@413X-o4wexactly this. These people defending this mob are sociopaths.

[@rosered103]

@@roadhousepress IMO Mr Mui was a man of great restraint, until someone started to strangle him. I don't think you have been paying attention to the actions of mob mentality started by Mr Cockfield, whom should be charged and has to date not been.

[@MrSinik]

NOT guilty , i blame the parents for not teaching their kids .

[@corralescoyote]

I blame stupidity for you blaming this sicko’s victims.

[@corralescoyote]

What did the kids do to provoke stabbing? At most, they were pointing and mocking him. He began the physical violence when he attacked the ladies (who were coming to his rescue, by the way). Sick to blame the victims, especially since one of them is dead.

[@JBS2018]

@@corralescoyote They were hitting him and pushing him down in the water. Are you stupid?

[@JennyLouLou]

The parents are responsible for the stabbings? I want what youre smoking. Lol.

[@TK-km8ej]

Guilty!

[@HexnHammer]

If I were in his seat, I would be very frustrated. I think the fact that Mr. mu is maintaining his composure and is more given to resignation than argumentation shows temperament that does not match the angry, angry, vindictive man the prosecution is trying to paint him as.

[@julieyoung3315]

Yes, they are Badgering him.

[@vickiebello2320]

I agree. I actually feel for the guy, it was a situation that escalated so quickly all by one kid running his mouth and creating the scenario

[@1stDoNoHarm63]

​@@vickiebello2320 because Nik Miu, the lone adult in the first experience, wasn't man enough to walk away from a group of sissy boy brats. He had to go back and try to prove he was a man. Try to scare the boys. He's not a man. He's a monster. He should have been an adult. He should have walked away.

[@truthseeker12523]

He told the cops at the river that he heard there was an incident pretending he had no idea what happened. He said "It was probably kids just being kids" 😅

[@LightS_bRight]

And? Why would he want to go through this?

[@dancheb]

​@@LightS_bRight🤣 You are kidding right?! He was attacked, wasnt he?!

[@wendykrehder4125]

He's psycho

[@dk237]

He sliced through two ribs. How couid he not feel that?

[@Grammichal]

@@dk237 It all happened very very quickly. His pocket knife was obviously sharp.

[@SlowlyFallingUpwards]

I still don't know how the camera guy isn't on trial for inciting violence, this is crazy.

[@MarvynSyn999]

I agree. 💯 Put Braid boy in jail. Loud-mouth Instigator. But he won't get in any trouble. And we all know why he won't...

[@devintaylor7049]

N​@@MarvynSyn999

[@nadiahyatt8106]

Yup that's the whole reason he was recording so he could get it uploaded to brag about it. Well he got his 5 mins of fame. Hope this haunts him bc he's just that gross.

[@ChefButtah]

Simply he didn’t touch anyone not a soul !! You can’t go to jail for using your words

[@JBthree24]

@@ChefButtah…no one says he’s going to jail. He was a witness and a credible one since he recorded the whole incident. Therefore he should be on the stand. Not jail.

[@Bunny-ur8fd]

His group has alcoholic beverages???? Who cares!! The 17 year olds had beer, vodka and pot. That is illegal. This is a shame.

[@jamiejonsueneu]

ok boomer

[@Bunny-ur8fd]

@@jamiejonsueneu sorry I don’t know what that means…boomer. I did waaaaaay worse drugs and drinking at 17 and probably treated people older than me terribly and thought it was funny. Thought I could say whatever I wanted to humiliate adults back then. Had this been my group back then, we would know we went too far and got people killed and hurt badly. But, boomer??? If you are calling me a baby boomer, you could not be farther from the truth. And the black guy recording it all with the biggest mouth, saying absurd things so the whole river population could hear and come over to kick a pedophile’s ass…. Well he got his friend brutally killed and he knows it. Now, Issac should not have been laughing, pointing, calling pedo and predator etc and he got himself close enough to wrap his hands around defendants neck at the same time he was being pushed back and punched… Issac should have not done that. What were his intentions when he was strangling defendant! To push him back? Issac got hisself gone. Tragic and heinous, but he is only one to blame because he was strangling him. Someone strangling me and I’m surrounded by other grown ass men who are punching me and smacking me and my head is hitting river rocks and they are holding me down in the water with both hands so someone else can punch the side of my head…. They would get shot.

[@craigmitchell1993]

@@jamiejonsueneu Learn the lesson these stupid kids learned little boy. Fuck around and you’ll surely find out!

[@BakedBrain7100]

Lead brain is running rampant in these comments. Boomers fantasize about being in a situation where they can murder someone in self defense. Fucking delusional.

[@strawberryxoxo6841]

I believe the boy who died had the highest level of alcohol in his system.

[@jaysonmarquez7524]

How the hell did he get convicted. Absolutely insane.

[@jamiebroadway4797]

Not guilty sorry they should of not bully this guy

[@iso3470]

bullying is not a death sentence

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

@@iso3470 it is if someone is afraid for their life. It’s called self-defense. Imagine a scenario where he did not have a knife. These drunken teens gleefully mobbed him in a river, he has a heart condition and he could’ve died. In that scenario, the teens would be on trial for assault and manslaughter if not, pure murder.

[@corralescoyote]

Whether they bullied him or not, he was walking away and turned back to confront the teens, and the 2 ladies came over to rescue Miu - told him to leave, leave, get the **** out - he stayed. He smiled, opened a knife, and began physically attacking the ladies. That’s not self-defense. Bullying is not an excuse to start swinging a knife.

[@corralescoyote]

@@ConstantGardener-q9qHe was leaving the boys, then turned back to confront them. That’s not fearing for his life. The 2 ladies were yelling for him to leave so he WOULDN’T get beat up, but he punched one of them. He smiled before the stabbing started. Some fear, huh?

[@_B.C_]

@@ConstantGardener-q9qeye witness testimony says he laid hands first.

[@judithwilber2540]

none of his interview matters cuz he was in shock..he doesnt remember..the video shows what happens and it was still self defense

[@rockstarofredondo]

His testimony certainly does not trump the video which shows clearly he was being attacked by a mob.

[@onepartyroule]

At no point was deadly force implied or explicitly attempted against him, so the claim that deadly force being used by the defendant was necessary for "self defense" is not credible. The defendant was the person who started assaulting people, and the only person to attack anyone in a life threatening manner. I don't know if what he did meets the criteria of the specific charge, but it's insane that anyone would be allowed to get away with stabbing 5 people -- killing one -- in a verbal altercation where they were not trapped, or pursued and their life wasn't threatened.

[@backalleyburrito1815]

​@@onepartyroulemy ass. He was surrounded, pushed down underwater and pushed and hit repeatedly. Case closed.

[@cbbees1468]

​@@onepartyrouleThe parents of Isaac never grounded him so someone else had to do it.

[@onepartyroule]

@@cbbees1468 Get therapy, for your own sake as much any anyone’s.

[@billrodgers2299]

I hope the jury notices that the prosecutor is making an ass of himself. I still believe this man showed remarkable restraint

[@cortneyrens]

Agreed and jurors (thankfully) do notice things like that. It’s another plus for Miu’s team, along with many other things like all evidence and untruthful testimony from prosecution witnesses

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

Agreed here also the prosecutor is a real donkey

[@H0v0H]

If you think miu showed restraint, you should be kept far away from other people.

[@LaPlaztique]

@@H0v0HI’m pretty sure that his comment was regarding in court during cross examination.

[@H0v0H]

@@LaPlaztique idk if people say that Isaac's friend had a terrible attitude, then miu showed the same levels. He talked back and got frustrated a couple times.

[@jmsegurac]

I am writing to express my profound disappointment and outrage at the court decision involving the sentencing of a man who acted in self-defense against a group of hostile and violent individuals. This decision not only undermines the principles of justice but also reflects a deeply flawed system that punishes an innocent man for merely defending himself in a life-threatening situation. The facts of the case are clear: the man in question was physically attacked by a group of aggressive youngsters who posed an imminent threat to his safety and well-being. In a desperate attempt to protect himself, he resorted to using a knife, injuring four and killing one of his assailants. This was not an act of aggression but a necessary measure to prevent further harm to himself. The court's decision to sentence him disregards the circumstances that led to this unfortunate event and paints a dangerous precedent where victims are criminalized for defending their own lives. Self-defense is a fundamental human right enshrined in law. It is a natural response to danger, especially when faced with violent, unprovoked attacks. It is unjust and unreasonable to expect a person to passively endure physical assault and hope for mercy from their attackers. The court's failure to recognize this right and instead punish a person who acted out of necessity sends a chilling message that self-preservation is not a priority for our justice system. The decision to convict this man is a stark reminder of the systemic flaws that plague our court system, where the lines between victim and aggressor are blurred by rigid interpretations of the law and a lack of empathy for those who are genuinely acting in self-defense. Such a miscarriage of justice not only affects the individual wrongfully convicted but also erodes public trust in the legal system as a whole. I urge the court to reconsider this decision and acknowledge the reality of the situation: a man who feared for his life and took action to protect himself should not be condemned as a criminal. It is time for the justice system to reflect the values it claims to uphold - fairness, compassion, and a commitment to truth.

[@martygras378]

I am concerned by anyone that holds that position after seeing the trial, your view is disturbing. The Court absolutely got it right

[@martygras378]

I am concerned by anyone that holds that position after seeing the trial, your view is disturbing. The Court absolutely got it right

[@paulnorman-mi4jz]

@@martygras378 Let's all hope you are never on a jury.

[@martygras378]

@@paulnorman-mi4jz Had I been on the jury, I would have been right, and we would have gotten the correct verdict. Let's hope that you, or anyone else that got this one wrong is never on a jury, or we will have even more psychopathic murderers running around loose.

[@jameswhite5720]

You can see your boyfriend in prison.😂

[@pbate08pvz31]

No wonder he went over to confront the person who was videoing. He’s being filmed by someone shouting ‘ you’re a raper, you’re a peadophile, why you looking for young girls. This is being filmed to publish. Anyone could see it, his family, workmates, neighbours. I’d be concerned if someone did this to me. Yes he could have walked away but the person filming, making accusations, starting this whole incident should also be held accountable. , ,

[@NpgSymboL]

Well he said he was filming for the culture. Google what does for the culture mean

[@NnEnkaa_]

Your just a racist. Your letting your emotions & stereotype towards black ppl cloud your better judgement. There just words, if those words are not true, why would you let those words bother you?,🤷🏻‍♀️

[@kayc5750]

But again he could’ve walked away and if they posted that video to the internet he could’ve sued them for defamation and won!

[@BoilaFrog]

Watch the river video with no audio. It’s obvious this was self defense. Case closed. I hope for all our sakes the jury agrees because sometime, somehow any one of us may need to defend ourselves.

[@winston67]

And they did not unfortunately

[@BoilaFrog]

@@winston67 I guess not.😬😬 unfortunately, it’s a sign of the times.🙁

[@zimonyt]

ur so dumb. hearing shit is a huge part of determining cases. this guys guilty

[@AHoneybelly]

​@BoilaFrog he could of easily walked away and left the scene. He approached the group. Instead of leaving, he pulled out a knife and stabbed 5 people. None of the boys had weapons. He was never held down or punched or kicked. He was not in fear of his life. He should have walked away

[@12345fowler]

@@BoilaFrog Sign of time idiot does not vote as jury.

[@Slam-]

Not guilty

[@samarasisace]

😂

[@Zhana808]

💯 NOT GUILTY 💯

[@_B.C_]

Guilty af

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

Not guilty

[@karennilsson1916]

😂😂😂😂

[@marcelomarcondes6660]

What becomes of the other children who incited, screamed, laughed, and assaulted, ultimately resulting in the death of their friend and the injury of others? They must be held responsible for the consequences they caused.

[@nw22122]

I don’t disagree that they should be charged with something too but he first should be held accountable.

[@dennisreynolds1341]

⁠@@nw22122with what? Defending himself against a group of people that are surrounding him and calling him a pedo and start attacking him?

[@inmate1614]

@@dennisreynolds1341 You need to download a sense of humour, he does look like a pred and he knows he does. His appearance is his own worst enemy.

[@jamiebutler788]

I completely agree, they were all underaged and smoking weed, drunk and recording thinking they were cool..

[@unarmored9973]

@@inmate1614 Shame on you bro we've come so far in America and now you're sending us back to the stoned age with your age discriminations.

[@jodycwilliams]

DA isn't interested in figuring out what the truth is or finding justice for anyone. His animosity toward Mr. Miu is palpable. The guy is disgusting and shows more anger than Mr. Miu ever did in the video prior to him defending himself.

[@gardensofthegods]

I totally agree it's disgusting that they don't really care about the truth and what really happened and just want to win especially when there's teenagers acted like something from The Lord of the Flies and their behavior was sickening as they deliberately started out to victimized that guy from the very moment they laid eyes on him and they were the ones who were the Predators

[@dk237]

I see both your points.

[@unarmored9973]

Ahem. Are you suggesting that a DA might... not be cool?

[@skibidi_hazel]

@jodycwilliams I agree with you 100 percent . I was once assaulted by 2 men, I defended my self, but I was the one who was arrested bc they had visible injuries and I didn’t . The DA didn’t care to find the truth. We are just a number to them . Thank God 😅 hired a competent Lawyer and was acquitted . Bottom line, the truth does not matter to the DA or court, it’s like a basketball game to them , they just care about getting the “W”. They don’t care if they ruin lives.

[@makenziesundve8616]

They put their hands around his neck and that can be looked at as attempted murder.

[@WatchTashi]

Except in Wisconsin.

[@mediaterrorists8969]

Yet, he never tell anyone that until today?

[@onepartyroule]

Now you're being ridiculous. Did you _see_ the video? Assault, yes, attempted murder is ludicrous.

[@breckoz]

That was after he had already stabbed everyone. You can see then the girl stabbed in the background of that photo (next to Nicolaes friend) when that neck push happens. That wasn't any kind of strangle hold. And that appears to be from someone who had been stabbed in the back already.

[@bowlofnuggets]

bro lied to the police, hid the weapon, said he didn’t stab anyone. that screams guilty

[@randyrenner7643]

The video screams self defense.

[@TheWill58]

@@randyrenner7643the video screams a drunk guy got himself into a situation he shouldn’t have and decided to stab his way out.

[@_B.C_]

@@randyrenner7643self defense fetishist are pathetic.

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

Self defense

[@tammyguessbeckham2212]

He was drunk too!! The video shows no one was hitting him when he stabbed them!! He walked away and then came back!! He was smiling just before and during the stabbing. But most importantly he had that knife out and pointed up(more damage) he stabbed them and walked away.

[@artkingofwholefoods74]

This Man should NOT even have been tried. There seems to be a war against self-defense in this country.

[@rockstarofredondo]

🎯

[@aliciakraynik7674]

Self defense does not allow someone to bring a knife to a fist fight.

[@annebosworth7048]

​@aliciakraynik7674 yes it does dumb comment

[@artkingofwholefoods74]

@@aliciakraynik7674 He didn’t go to a fist fight, he went to look for his friend’s phone. They jumped him, and he used his pocket knife to defend himself. Instead of being a stereotypical overly emotional Woman, you might want to ask yourself why a bunch of adult parents would allow their minor children to get shit faced drunk on a tubing recreation day? Ever ask yourself that???

[@conservativegirl3371]

It was not self defense! Kyle Rittenhouse WAS self defense…he was running from the mob and acted in fear for his life. The prosecution proved that this man did not act from fear, but from anger. I wish people would look past the sympathy for this man…he was treated badly, but they did not threaten his life….but he chose to act with deadly force with a dangerous weapon. We can defend ourselves still…we just need to understand the law.

[@YTemployeesrPDFfiles]

Nope , self defense. This is a tragedy of justice.

[@bergkampsballs7842]

The jury have a lot more information, time to study the case and generally a lot higher intelligence than the average Fox News viewer. The problem here is that Fox News is full of angry old men with an irrational hatred of younger generations, particularly when they're out having fun. Nick Miu is effectively a stereotypical Fox News viewer. Fortunately the jury were not biased and Nick Miu is facing the consequences of his actions.

[@sharonsmith3687]

Once i saw Issacs hands going for Nics Neck, AJ pushing him from behind my choicecwas made. I could Never. Convict this man and ive been on a few emotionally charged hard juries. I feel for this jury.

[@lindaashmore1246]

I believe he saw him stab the girl, which is why he grabbed him

[@judithwilber2540]

@@lindaashmore1246 thats speculation..she didnt even know she was stabbed

[@sing2me]

He had his knife pulled LONG before that! Watch it all. Miu is a liar. He should have de-escalated this but when he pulled his knife that look is malicious. Yelling is words. Words do not allow murder and stabbings. He cared more about what he heard. He didn't say anything firmly. He testified that he approached, and he pushed and threw himself on them. The punch from Cockfield and Isaac's actions were in defense of Miu hitting females. Oh cry me a river over his "baby" "my angel" ... he shouldn't be allowed to own a dog... 1st DEGREE.

[@thomasm999]

​@judithwilber2540 you were better off not posting that😂 ShE dIdNT knOW sHE Was StabBEd, he still saw her get stabbed

[@Zhana808]

Exactly, NOT GUILTY!

[@georget10i]

The prosecution is good. He should not have testified. I am leaning towards guilty. He lied multiple times. Even at 1:25:20, he insinuates that knows he stumbled because he has seen the video now, then at 1:32:30 he claims to have remembered stumbling. The police video is damning, he looks completely calm in it. The teens may be been loud and rude, however, they did not approach him. Did not make any attempt to move towards him. Did not throw anything at him. Showed no aggression initially. He willingly entered their zone. He did not communicate at all while being in close proximity to them. Then pulled out the knife and made contact with the woman, at which point he was pushed. I would even go as far as to say that the teens did not treat him that badly. Just pushed him and gave him a slap, not even a punch. There are way worse street fights being posted daily online (Remember Rihanna's face when Chris Brown beat her up). If he had not had the knife, he would have left with just a bruised ego. Instead he stabbed multiple people and killed one person. Then he left the scene, continued the activities, lied to the policeman when questioned, and made up stories to cover up what really happened. I think he got embarrassed when the kids surrounded him and started pointing at him and shouting. Some people react badly to losing face. And this may have been the first time in his life he got put in any escalated situation. Maybe it can be argued that he panicked, honestly, he acted oddly from the very beginning (If somebody ran up on me like he did at the beginning I would immediately be put on defence). At all times he had the option of leaving. He chose to escalate. Stabbed people, killing one person and went about his business like nothing had happened. I don't believe he was panicked, I believe he got embarrassed which quickly turned into agitation, anger, and clouded his judgement. A person who is panicked and convinced that they are in danger and are defending themselves would be trying to reach the police first. If he had attempted to leave and had been pursued, and if he had called the police and told them what had happened and not made up stories, he would have had a case. The kids seem like douche bags (or simply teens), and he seems like a nice quiet man, but don't let appearances distract you from facts.

[@eiforget]

The jury got this wrong and I hope his conviction is overturned on appeal.

[@NnEnkaa_]

They see it as he was NOT put in the position where he only had that option to pull a knife. That he had other options to walk away.!, He also threw the first punch at Madison so he is the one who encouraged physical violence in the first place. He was the instigator plain & simple. The jury absolutely got it correct. He had no justification for pulling a knife & stabbing ANYONE

[@eiforget]

@@NnEnkaa_ That’s not what the video showed at all. He was moving away from them when they circled, taunted endlessly and eventually pushed him, which was the first physical altercation. They then pushed him again and when he got up, Madison slapped him. Those kids were reckless bullies, and while nobody deserved to die over that, this man was frightened and overwhelmed. He’s not blameless by any stretch but he’s certainly not a murderer either. These kids own plenty of accountability, yet were held to none. “Plain and simple”.

[@yeebby1]

Amen 🙏

[@JesusSoldier12]

This is what I am praying for 🙏🏻 he didn’t deserve to be treated the way he was of course any one in that position especially with a heart problem felt the need to defend themselves

[@JesusSoldier12]

@@NnEnkaa_she was not punched evidenced proved that he shoved her because she was clearly in his face and he was overwhelmed she even still had her drink almost same position so he didn’t even do it hard yet the kids just wanted an excuse to continue the bullying this time physical! Sorry for the young kid that died but he made a very stupid decision… because he was with all his buddies he was trying to act all brave and he lost his life 😢

[@JoeSoutner]

I still think he is not guilty. Period. Expecialy after listening to the teens and seeing how they present themselves. I am not sorry if offend someone with my opinion.

[@JoeSoutner]

I feel bad for all involved. When I was a teenager. I was a completely different person than I am today. Life lost. Many shattered. It's a shame. I don't know why this case grabs my attention. I never watch stuff like this...

[@Reticuli]

He might have been able to get away with stabbing the kid in the yellow shorts, but then he stabbed the girl in the bikini and the boy in the blue shorts who was trying to break up the fighting. This guy is screwed. He's not going to win any appeals.

[@IVFMama22]

Sad that he hasn't seemed the slightest bit remorseful about the result of all of this. Even if I were defending myself, I would feel terrible if someone lost their life during the altercation. Literally showed more emotion when seeing a photo of his dog than he ever did when talking about stabbing multiple people and killing one.

[@tenthdimension9836]

Do you see how much weight this guy has lost? I think he's pretty much emotionally spent at this point. I mean seriously, he must have just been through the ringer the past few months.

[@gardensofthegods]

​@@tenthdimension9836incredible , the amount of compassion these people show those a -hole teenager hyena brats and those creep women who didn't have the decency to act like adults . Really sickening that they lied and said the guy said he was looking for little girls when he did not say that and then they start yelling out that he's a pedophile and a grapist . They deliberately targeted that guy and tried to F with his mind

[@herocuke]

I don't think it's normal to cry for people that harass and attack you. I think it's very normal to feel more emotion towards, idk, something that loves you back.

[@IVFMama22]

@@herocuke not feeling any emotion about ending a life is pretty telling, imo. This wasnt about self defense. This was about Miu's ego. He wanted revenge because the kids were taunting him. He wasn't man enough to walk away or handle it without a knife.

[@IVFMama22]

@tenthdimension9836 my ex went to prison for 3 years for child support and lost 80+ lbs. Prison/jail isn't supposed to be fun 🤷‍♀️

[@O.19-m6y]

He said it was “kids being kids” but also claims he was scared for his life of the behaviour of those kids? He’s also saying it so flippantly like they’re just “kids” so the incident have been too bad. He’s disproving his own point.

[@trifel45]

I know a lot of people think he isn't guilty, but I think there are key things to consider. First of all, he had multiple opportunities to leave the situation that was escalating. Secondly, when the two women are confronting him and trying to physically direct him away from the group while yelling, these women are unarmed. To pull out a knife and stab one of them, instead of backing up and saying he had a knife, is absolutely assault with a deadly weapon. The point about him holding the knife with the blade up is proven by the fact that he sliced the one boy's torso from bottom to top. He was clearly aware of which way the blade was pointed. This proves some degree of intention. The main issue here is that he was the first one to become violent. He is the only one with a weapon. He violated the personal space of the boys first by grabbing their innertubes and legs. He is smiling when he is holding the knife. So, it is clear that he felt emboldened to lash out with his knife. He killed a boy. He stabbed multiple people. This is an unstable man.

[@libra7624]

nonsense, they are out numbering him and they the big group should have left him alone looking for something, the girls assaulted him starting the other assaults, don't be dumb, look at the video, Its his life in danger not theirs, you don't have to wait for someone to hurt you first before your defend you and you have a right to have out a knife if a big mob is going to assault you, you need to go to another country because we have the right to defend ourselves, I am a army veteran and your are ignorant not seeing the video and the hell they put him through, they should have left him alone, he was minding his oun business being peaceful and drunk mob made a big deal out of it assaulting him and calling him names, he is not a pedophile either, no evidence he is, they were being cruel to a innocent man as shown on video,you need to watch the video and stop assuming those girls assaulting him setting off more escalation was some how right, used you brain not your feelings

[@fredliperson9171]

Good God lady watch the case from the beginning! This time try closed caption and with a clear head.

[@neoandleia]

So you're saying you know for sure that if hadn't stabbed them, they wouldn't have killed him first?

[@kimmyers3622]

I hope you are never on a jury because you have it all wrong.

[@mattg2306]

1) He was leaving the situation, until the "adults" came and made it worse. The teens testified they could have left, but didn't because they wanted to "see how it would play out". Instead of walking away, they continued to escalate. 2) These women willingly integrated themselves right into the heart of strangers drama without any context and blindly took the side of the people their age, all while berating and shoving Miu. 3) No one was stabbed until he was knocked down and assaulted. 4) Walking backwards is dangerous in a situation like this, if you trip and fall, the attackers can pounce. Also, considering the volume level from the drunk young men, he couldn't simply yell over them. Also, if they were not so inebriated, it would have been very obvious he had a knife. Everyone was too stoned, drunk, and belligerent to notice. 5) How do you know he was "clearly aware"? Considering the intensity of this situation, and how fast it all happened, I am not going to buy that. 6) Being the only one with a weapon does not mean that you're the first one to become violent. The "adult" women willingly made physical contact with him by shoving him. When he pushed her off of him, the drunk young men pounced. I think that he is clearly not guilty. Unfortunately, there are also people like you on the jury. So this will end up being a hung jury.

[@cohenjoseph1763]

Wow he lost a ton of weight

[@queue555]

You do because jail gives you crap food

[@MG-ot2yr]

Some people get really fat in jail, others lose a lot of weight from the stress, especially someone who has never been in jail his entire life.

[@joeashe83]

This case stressing him out

[@mrasic3507]

Poor Mr MUI.....he should not be on trial!

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@MG-ot2yrpeople who have poor taste get fat in jail. Normal people don’t want to eat that garbage.

[@paulnorman-mi4jz]

The jury must have had a collective IQ of zero.

[@sing2me]

2:48:06 "at that time anybody that came in contact with me, I felt attacked." He was not being physically attacked but he stabbed them based on feelings not fact. The law is "in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm". That absolutely does not meet the criteria Miu being in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. He IS GUILTY.

[@KrakenWind]

Cherry-picking much? He got pushed around, thrown and head dunked under water, etc and more and your saying it's not reasonable for him to expect more of their torture?

[@MrAirnike8]

@@KrakenWind he ran up on a group and initiated physical contact…how are you even American??

[@danielbezjak1479]

@@MrAirnike8 are you saying that when the group starts hitting Mr. Miu they're doing it because they were defending themselves? Or are you saying they were rightly retaliating for him having made light physical contact with one of them? I don't see how anything he may have done justifies him being beaten mercilessly by 12 people. You sound like a psycho

[@sing2me]

​@danielbezjak1479 is that the point where he stabbed 5 people? No. He stabbed each without warning. The time you are referring to is when one guy pushed him because Miu hit a young woman of 115# and Miu was 248# acting like a hand on his arm was "in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm". That absolutely does not meet the criteria Miu being in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. He IS GUILTY.

[@sing2me]

​@@KrakenWind ignorance of the law is NO EXCUSE. Your ignorance is feelings based. Miu is feelings based. 2:48:06 is proof. Miu is GUILTY of murder. And attempted murder X4. Bye bye my baby. No more see daddy.

[@msb134]

For those who think he had nowhere to go… In some states you’d an be convicted for shooting a criminal in your own home if you had a way out of the situation. He had plenty of space to leave this situation and he CHOSE to turn and CHOSE to pull a knife. This whole situation could have been avoided by being a man and turning and walking away.

[@time2chill121]

The last thing on my mind is what law I might be breaking when I feel my life is in danger

[@kellyg2426]

If I was on that jury, I would vote Not Guilty! I would have been afraid for my life if I were in his shoes (seeing that video). In fact I think the main one instigating all this should serve time in prison ( the one videotaping it and lying about this man to rile everyone up)

[@corralescoyote]

If you were afraid for your life you would smile, open a knife and stab 5 people, 2 of them disemboweled? He kept escalating the situation. Never did he choose to leave. He walked away and came back to confront the teens. His “lost cel phone” is bull, and I do not doubt that he was using his snorkel gear to look at the youngsters underwater. If he was or wasn’t, he should have left as soon as his creepy behavior was called out. He stuck around and clearly wanted a confrontation with the teens. The slightly older 2 ladies were protecting Miu from what might have happened by his escalation. He attacked the ladies. Whether the teens were bullying or not, he chose to stay and confront them. That’s not self-defense by any stretch of the imagination.

[@neoandleia]

Same. If the kids hadn't got physical and just stayed verbal, I would vote Guilty!

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

Just imagine the scenario IF he hadn’t had a knife. It would be the mob of drunken teens that would have been on trial for manslaughter or murder.

[@RR-ds4sd]

​@@corralescoyotethere was just one kid gutted, and to be fair, he only pushed the knife forward, the kid's attack motion did the rest. He was being called a s3x offender out loud in public by a group and another group came to endorse it. What would you do? Go home and wait for the cops to come arrest you as a molester?

[@JuggoJuggo]

@@ConstantGardener-q9q If he didn't have the knife he would've walked away when he had the chance right at the beginning when he was up river from them, but because he had the knife he turned around.

[@Forestventures]

The young adults caused this, all of them were pushing him and yelling, they were out of control. Who's to say any of them could have picked up a rock and killed him. NOT GUILTY

[@christopherdaniels5007]

This was definitely self defense. Before he even stabbed the boy he was knocked into the water, punched, then shuved back into it. Definitely self defense.

[@martygras378]

Except the video started on his second return, Mui had no business being there, he is a psychopath

[@leighgraw9096]

He started the physical violence so he doesn’t get to claim self defense. You don’t get to stab people for calling you names or hurting your feelings. If that were the case, half the country would be dead. He was drunk and lost his temper. His behavior after the incident is the most disturbing to me. No guilt, no remorse, no concern for others. Sociopath.

[@rayne7340]

He “didn’t say a word “. Right! Why not communicate with the group? He WAS acting odd- they didn’t know why he was there ! And he touched them when he charged the tubes with the boys in them. He was doing whatever he wanted, he didn’t want punk boys telling him what to do. Probably all the beer he drank gave him angry arrogance to not let the boys tell him what to do. He killed a boy in a terrible way and tried to get away, denying he was even involved at first. Guilty of murder. Dude, just walk away. Takes courage to do it, but no need to kill children ( he killed a 17 y/o). He was not afraid, he was “ annoyed and frustrated “… yeah, he was Angry!

[@MakeupMobster]

Those kids were acting like complete a-holes. Sorry not sorry. It’s awful what happened but why is there not more focus on the fact that a bunch of underaged people were drinking and harassing this man? Why were they taping him to begin with?

[@NpgSymboL]

They were taping him ‘for the culture’ as said by the guy recording.

[@stephaniefisher1585]

He stabbed so knowingly. He was focused. The double stab for the guy trying to break up the fight…yikes. Lied about it. Hid evidence. If he gets away with this, there will be no justice. If you think stabbing someone instead of walking away is valid, you’re wrong. He had 284 chances BEFORE he laid his hands on anyone and BEFORE he pulled his knife. He is from Romania, lived in Cuba. What we find unfathomable, is not so true for people who live in harder countries. All you hear is someone getting called names and you hate them for that. You hate them so much that you honestly think they deserved it. What did he think was going to happen hitting a woman with a bunch of people around? I don’t like this guy. This is evil. But I do feel naturally sad for everyone involved. I think he has no idea what fear really is and our justice system may just allow him to get away it because of the people in here defending him may very well be sitting in those jury seats. I don’t think the kids were right for the words they used, but I would just walk away. I don’t see any reason to stay. Not for goggles not for someone else’s phone. He WANTED it to escalate by staying and facing them. That’s not fear, that’s opportunity. You hear that? Opportunity. And he chose the wrong kind of opportunity. He knew where he was stabbing, who he was stabbing. He knew exactly, in that moment and afterwards, he should have never came with that energy. He’s a punk ass man with ego and a knife and they were punk ass kids who had bad words, until he hit someone. But I bet they were good kids. One will never grow up, graduate, have a family. Ever. He is dead. A real person was sliced open and so were others. Words…all just a bunch of fucking words. Doesn’t mean you can pull a knife and hit someone after you pull it out and the “whoops! My bad killed you!” If he’s not guilty. Then I suspect a lot of people will know exactly how to kill someone because now they have a foolproof plan according to the defense. What a load of malarkey. Walk the fuck away people and stop being so offended. They would have forgotten all about you the next day or even that night, but now, they will remember how evil you were and how evil people can really be.

[@neoandleia]

Why did the kids lay hands on him? Heroes protecting the girl's honor?

[@corralescoyote]

I’m glad you expressed what I’m thinking about this whole thing. Thank you

[@Zhana808]

NOT GUILTY

[@inmate1614]

@@neoandleia Because he put hands on them first, deluded sociopath

[@MayJunemom]

I agree with you! If he would have had a gun and opened fire, maybe killing and injuring more people, would there be the same type of defense in this chat? The teenagers were asking for help...why didn't he walk away? Or tell the truth? If it was self defense, why so much lying?

[@flawedobserver4057]

Why are (Prosecutors) trying to Destroy Self-Defense in this Country???

[@martygras378]

It's reserved for legitimate cases of self defense, this is not.

[@joeashe83]

He definitely didn't help his claim of self defense during his testimony.

[@Sarahthompson2237]

Why?? I didn’t watch

[@joshuaryder7126]

Lawyer: Can we approach? headphones users: Please dont!

[@kimfauth9542]

This judge is biased towards the prosecutor. He would have told the defense to move along rather than asking the same questions over and over.

[@truthseeker12523]

Because the grown ass murderer doesnt have any trauma but the kids who lost their friend and got stabbed do. Duh!

[@jillismyname100]

The judge told the prosecutor the same things MULTIPLE times. He sustains and overrules for both attorneys. He's a very fair judge.

[@deensama7718]

I think he's pretty fair actually. He clearly has a bias, but it's not towards the prosecution nor to the defense, it's a bias for reasonable argumentation within the bounds of the law AND an orderly and respectful courtroom. You'll notice that after the first 2-3 times the judge would sustain an objection against the defense or overrule one of their objections, any time the defense or prosecution would ask to approach (which is where you're supposed to present your argument as to why you think his ruling was incorrect, NOT in front of the jury and cameras) the judge would almost immediately grant it. It's obvious that he just wants people to be respectful of the process and wants to make sure everyone is playing within the bounds of the law, he's done a very good job IMO. Also just to be clear, I personally think this guy innocent of murder and that this was a case of self defense

[@karnagekarnival5127]

People will make any jump in logic to not feel responsible for their actions. The way those kids were acting was stupid af and they earned his response. Raise your kids better. Everyone needs to learn how to de-escalate. All they had to do was say they hadn't seen his friend's phone, and if he was still there and it made them uncomfortable, they could leave. If they thought he was trying to make them move, and that was annoying, they could have just called the cops themselves. They knew he wasn't creeping around. At most, he was being obstructive to their activities. That didn't merit the hollering or the mobbing, much less the physical altercations which the girls 100% started. Miu had the right to look for that phone. Miu didnt scream back or threaten them, nothing he did merited the physical altercation.

[@martygras378]

Sounds like you're hypocritically making any jump in logic to make Nic not responsible for his actions. There are all sorts of things Nic could have said to de-escalate things with the kids. He didn't have any sort of obligation to look for a phone that wasn't even his, in fact, it sounded like it was an excuse to get in the middle of the kids.

[@Bane92]

@@martygras378bro the kid is literally on video trying to attack him and getting stabbed. That was self defense. However the kid who tried to deescalate got stabbed. Sucks. Have to take everything into account. I believe this guy deserves time. But he’s not fully guilty

[@martygras378]

@@Bane92 It wasn't self defense, it wasn't deemed self defense. After Nic hit Maddie is when the guys got physical with him.

[@jp32123]

He was able to remember some things that happened during the altercation, but NOTHING about answering the officers’ questions

[@jimmyrodriguez5670]

It is quite normal for people to experience a loss of memory after a traumatic event.

[@Aaron-yw7ji]

Like all the kids remember "exactly" what the prosecutor told them to lie about, yet nothing about the video or what they said to the police after, like miu said he was looking for a phone, not little girls.

[@rockstarofredondo]

Humans lie, video doesn’t. Self-defense was proven the moment that thing was shown in full. Everything else is distraction.

[@dmthompson44]

all these kids and Mr Miu are coached up on how to answer these questions.

[@gardensofthegods]

I believe Nikolai Miu any day over those kids and there's two horrible women they were all acting horribly uncivilized . I knew from day one that they lied when they claimed he said he was looking for little girls . They deliberately effed with this guy's mind .

[@HexnHammer]

The prosecution should be ashamed of himself. He’s acting like this occurred on dry land if it was a calm situation that Mr. Miu could easily think through every step.

[@Mach2style]

While not dry land a key mess up was Mr Miu saying it was ankle high water. It wasn’t as shallow as assumed. The cross was brutal to his claims even with the mountain of objections

[@strawberryxoxo6841]

Exactly painting him to look like he’s lying when it was such a traumatic situation. Don’t even need to hear his point of view when there’s a whole VIDEO showing how he was being bullied and tossed around in water falsely accused aswell causing others to be agressive.

[@Sharon_L_W]

The cross examination is getting me so riled up, particularly when he keeps mentioning the females and the 115lb weight as if that makes her untouchable. I'm 5ft6, 114lb, and I'm strong. I've never been in a fight but I've witnessed plenty of girl-fights over the years, of shorter teenage female vs female, and woman vs woman... they can be vicious and pound the hell out of someone. Add booze and I wouldn't want to even be a 6 foot male up against a physically threatening female. This whole situation is messed up but considering many factors raised and seeing the footage, I'm not siding with the teenagers, and I don't blame this guy for defending himself when things turned violent towards him. This all happened so quickly, so chaotically, so unpredictably - were there other choices they all could've made, yes. Nicolae could've walked away earlier but he wasn't doing anything wrong. They had no right telling him where to go and what to do. They were all laughing while Nicolae seemed stunned and in freeze mode at first. If he yelled back at them at any point, good for him. It's not like he could've run away as it got more heated... try running in even knee deep water, knowing you've just had a quadruple heart bypass.

[@NnEnkaa_]

You said all we needed to hear, you've never been in a fight. That tells us all we need to know for why you think this guy has been served unfair justice.

[@cristysanders4660]

2:49:09 he felt "threatened" and was willing to stab anyone. Surprised he didnt stab law enforcement. Surprise he didn't try to say he had a mental break due to the bypass. Lol guilty either way. No way a normal person would do this.

[@Elizabeth.C.Holmes]

He did not deserve to be found guilty. He was swarmed. I hope he appeals.

[@fishwanda]

I know with self defence. Once you're out of danger then the stabbing should stop. The man that shot a guy in a road rage went to jail because he shot him, the man stopped, then he shot him again. He's now in prison

[@realestedm1636]

He's uber aware of the questions meant to establish elements of self defense (or rather, to eliminate that as a potential defense if he answers incorrectly). He only makes these responses at the right moments too and does not overuse them. "I was in fear for my life" "I had no reasonable means of escape" ... His lawyers prepared him well for this and that is why he is testifying

[@MathewWoodard]

You have unlocked the “understanding how court trials work” achievement

[@realestedm1636]

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[@NpgSymboL]

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[@violette4841]

The two women touched him and were in his space. He did the same with the high schoolers. He says he is weaker than teen boys, however, he is stronger than the two young women. This defense is awful. He got into a public altercation with strangers and killed one and stabbed the others. He has no injuries. The teens and the two women carried no weapons. He did. He has consistently lied about everything - including he and his pals not drinking. You can't kill people who swear, drink, do weed or call you names. You tell aggressive men or women to stop touching you and you take the nearest exit to get away from them - especially if they are telling you to leave. I'm shocked at all the people agreeing with this killer. The judge needs to eventually tell us all the self-defense law and rule clearly.

[@user-wy1dl2me2p]

No ! Most people hear the truth , don't defend drunk teenagers 😅

[@violette4841]

@@user-wy1dl2me2p I don't seek out drunks of any age. Do you have any domestic violence charges or any assault charges on your record? Seriously, you think it is okay to hit and stab obnoxious women, or stab and kill obnoxious teens. They are everywhere these days - as well as men carrying guns and knives on 'family' outings. Stay safe and be a peace maker.

[@KrakenWind]

Wow, so your ignoring the part where 13 or so young (17-20+ age group), grouped and surrounded a 54 year old, over weight and post-heart surgery man, pushing him down and touching him (assault) quite literally holding his head under water for a few seconds, etc. A bit biased much hmm? If the dude didn't defend himself: "Man, 54 lynched by teenagers on Wisconsin River."

[@violette4841]

@@KrakenWind Ankle deep water and no one held his head under water. Not a lynching. No weapons other than the 54-year-old who killed a teen who would be about his son or grandson's age - and same with the young women. He's in his 50s and killed and mutilated young people. What kind of example is he? He didn't let the boy live till he gets to 50 and he couldn't ignore a couple of women telling him to leave the scene. He should have listened to them and gone back to his wife and not end up a killer on trial. Be an example as an older member of society and stop condoning unnecessary violence.

[@violette4841]

@@KrakenWind He killed a teen and seriously injured others who are the age of what his child or grandchildren would be if he had any. It is said he did have one whom he left. He now calls himself a dad to a dog. He said he stood his ground and refused to retreat and he had the opportunity to walk away. He is a killer and on trial for it. He could not be drowned in ankle deep water, and he admitted he just slashed at anyone around him whether they actually attacked him because he was scared. Legally, I can't see him going home and not serving time. Morally, he is in the wrong. You don't leave that kind of wreckage behind you, lie about it, and you could have walked away, and be called the innocent victim. He was healthy enough to swim and snorkel, and to attack a group of people and walk away.

[@flawedobserver4057]

This Prosecutor Should Be Ashamed .. So In America You Can Be Attacked For Looking For Something In The Wrong Place. Don't Hold A Mob Accountable Who Attacked Without Cause .. Shame ... He Was Attacked He Defended Himself. Your Really Gonna Argue Like They Had A Right To Attack Him. Despicable

[@PACKBlACK94]

In law it’s about proportionality. He didn’t even try to run away. In his eyes you can see the pure aggression boiling the whole time. He stayed in the situation because he was hurt by the things those teens said and searched for a reason to give it back to them. Why would you have a knife with you in the first place. If getting pushed in the water and receiving a slap justifies stabbing multiple people we have much more of those „self defense“ cases.

[@NnEnkaa_]

He threw the FIRST punch escalating the situation into physical violence so NO he was not attacked first.

[@martygras378]

You're believing the lies of a psychopath

[@WeAreNotGoingBackEver]

I don't understand why he is on trial 🤔

[@bstevermer9293]

He does not remember.

[@scarir12]

I don't either, it is more like "Apple River Man Attacked By Drunk Mob, Man Defends Himself, He Goes To Jail And Drunk Mob Attackers Go Free.

[@cbbees1468]

​@@scarir12Well thankfully, one got grounded and will never attack anyone else ever again.

[@bmyra]

Same here. This is Kafka shit.

[@joshjamesuk]

He killed someone 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@myrarounvivell4709]

Yes, he lied in the interview. He was in shock. The kids still lied under oath. They still don't see their wrong doings as if it's ok to bully and name shaming . Not one was embarrassed about their doings.The kids should of been charged to. It is a public place he had the right to be there.

[@grizzlywhores459]

He lied in the interview because he was planning on getting away with murder and didn’t want to own up to his actions because he knew they were wrong.

[@goll58]

He told you that? ​@@grizzlywhores459

[@grizzlywhores459]

@@goll58why else would he change clothes, hide the murder weapon, and act like he knew nothing 10 minutes after the incident

[@garystevens8598]

Calculated pathological liar.

[@craigmitchell1993]

Oh they are all internal embarrassed and no they are just as guilty for the death of their friend and near death of the others they called over. They will have to live with the guilt and hopefully when this trial is over they can be scolded by both their parents and the judge in closing of this case. Hopefully they can also be sued in a civil trial by Mr Miu to again put them on the spot and prove that their lies and actions caused this event.

[@blackrain7465]

The actions of those drunk “teenagers” were despicable. This man simply defended himself.

[@tmcurly]

How??

[@tmcurly]

Did these kids have machetes? Can you name the lethal weapons that the kids were in possession of??

[@ronnyron6939]

"teenagers'" ummmm yes they were teenagers. Were they being jackasses? Yes. Did this need to turn into a stabbing spree? No.

[@NpgSymboL]

@@tmcurlylethal weapons are their numbers, their behaviour, and being in water.

[@strawberryxoxo6841]

@@tmcurlySo now we need “lethal weapons” to justify ganging up on someone, falsely accusing them and tossing them around like they’re trash? Complete strangers and he was acting out of self defense. How would you feel if your grandpa or father was in his shoes ?

[@enriqueaguilar7458]

Not guilty .. that young black man started everything . He should be I. Prison

[@MrAirnike8]

Ok Enrique. Your people are currently trying to storm America illegally and take jobs, benefits and government positions. I see your game and it’s not gonna work. Bl*cks aren’t a big enough distraction this time lmao

[@Bunny-ur8fd]

100 percent!!!!!

[@CarnelianKryptolite]

Always blaming Blk ppl. You de^ils are something else.

[@colleenfletcher2550]

When I first heard about this fiasco. Thought bunch of kids harassing the old man. Now hearing about throwing away the knife, putting on hat, sunglasses, and shirt. Then tubing past where the incident took place and going to the exit passing the sheriff. Now I think he thought he was going to get away with it. Now that I see interviews where he said the boys pulled a knife and he turned it on the boy and another boy had a knife. He needs to be found guilty. Now finding out he was the only one with a deadly weapon. Yes he is guilty.

[@gardensofthegods]

Did you ever actually watch the whole video yourself from the very beginning when they targeted an innocent guy and he never said he was looking for little girls I mean they totally set him up to F with his head and you never would have wanted your own father or grandfather to be treated like that and you know it . And there's two horrible women drunk and couldn't act like adults and they're right up in his face and squeezing his arm . They all lied and said he punched that woman and you know damn well he didn't at the most he probably gently shoved her this guy went through hell they tried to hold him down in the water and you think this guy is really that guilty really that guy was in shock and you better believe it

[@gardensofthegods]

Have some compassion I hope this never happens to your loved one especially when they're not in good health

[@mawnns]

yea really hard to feel sorry for the guy. so many other choices he could’ve made yet he chose to kill. doesn’t make the teens choices any better but he was the adult in this situation, no man should be able to walk in society while lacking this much judgement. He needs to be in jail.

[@unarmored9973]

Meh. Don't really care what he did because he was afraid of tyrannical cops and America's busted-ass legal system. The attack happened before all the stuff you mentioned. Some people (as in literally millions) expect misjustice and corruption from American courts, so they try to hide instead. Not saying they're entirely correct, but you'll always fail to understand important perspective when assuming everyone should just immediately and calmly go to the police and explain everything honestly because they will always help and do what's best for you.

[@luke9911]

Self preservation! Trauma can cause a multitude of symptoms/reactions. For example there’s a video a a woman who somehow survived a horrific car wreck. The car was unrecognisable, her partner driving decapitated. In the video she’s still sitting in the car applying makeup.

[@marklangley7135]

Runs up and makes physical contact initially, doesn’t explain himself or say a word throughout, pulls out a knife and keeps low to his side, punches a girl in face, guts kids, walks back to group. Doesn’t call police, pretends to police he didn’t know anything, told police they had knives, said he didn’t have knife, said he spoke to them, hid evidence..please c’mon

[@neoandleia]

I think you skipped the part before 'guts kids'

[@SSS-ie6mh]

NOT GUILTY. SELF DEFENSE.

[@randyrenner7643]

Why did you leave out the part where he's followed and assaulted?

[@marklangley7135]

@@neoandleiano I didn’t

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

1) an older man with a heart condition goes looking for a lost cell phone in a public river; 2) a drunken teen arbitrarily accuses him of pedophilia and instigates a larger group of drunk teen boys; 3) 2 adult women come over - without knowing the facts - and get in his face; 4) the man deflects the woman getting in his face 5) the same reckless drunk teen says “he punched a woman” further instigating the other drunk teen mob. 6) the drunken mob of 13 teens attack him - punching, choking and holding him down in the river 7) he pulls out a knife IN. SELF. DEFENSE. ALTERNATIVE: Just imagine the a scenario IF he hadn’t had a knife. It would be the mob of drunken teens that would have been on trial for manslaughter or murder.

[@breannabarraza9747]

its funny watching him think he was going to get away with stabbing 5 people and killing a 17 year old boy. not to mention he said he expected to get "reason from the adult"(25yo female) that is rich considering he could have walked away and not stabbed anyone. that seems reasonable to me.