Apple River stabbing trial: Prosecution's opening statement

The trial of Nicolae Miu, the man accused of the fatal 2022 stabbing on the Apple River, began on April 1.
Karl Anderson and Brian Smestad are prosecuting the case. Anderson is the St. Croix County, Wisconsin, District Attorney. Their opening statement was presented with screenshots from the now infamous video of the incident on the Apple River.
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[@kekejefferson9219]

If your a violent drunk, don't get drunk or stay at home alone.

[@delilahrainelle7158]

I want to know why he had a knife in his swimming shorts. I grew up swimming in the river at our home. A knife is not something I would take. It’s obvious that he didn’t stab them. He stuck them and ripped them open! Unbelievable. He should rot in jail.

[@mufasasdaughter4831]

Exactly

[@mufasasdaughter4831]

​@delilahrainelle7158 Sorry that knife saved his life. Exactly. He could have been drowned and nobody would have testified in his behalf. SELF DEFENCE. These kids were not raised well.

[@TexasTim45]

All those kids ganging up that dude , your right they should have stayed home.

[@rosalainez2674]

What about these bunches kids start the confrontation and lead to this tragedy sorry but fact are fact they will painted like innocent kids but no that is the opposite he is going jail but those kids will live with their bad conscience for their rest of their live should be prevented this tragedy if they would not bullying and offended the guy sorry no matter what this lawyer painted those kids as a good guys sorry but fact are facts

[@Dhurvrathee504]

Bullying with old man is unacceptable!!!

[@Booshiehallie]

ALWAYS WALK AWAY! Don’t let your pride and ego get in the way!

[@yassinhamza574]

🤡

[@potentiallyacommentor5648]

How do you "walk away" while in water?

[@elizabethchristine6413]

I agree how do you walk away from that. He called for his friends help and they called more. They could have stepped aside and let him walk away. They actually grabbed him when he turned away from them

[@KozmoDyne]

F that noise. What a cowardly way to live. Just say "Abandon dignity at the first sign of abuse." Yeah appeasement is a great policy. Thats why the animals have taken over and pull this garbage.

[@hollyrock911]

@@elizabethchristine6413 no they didnt dummy

[@cristipratt2844]

Drinking and water recreation, dont go together. Actually, any over indulgence of alcohol can lead to destruction.

[@mlwarrior]

Stop abusing commas.

[@DELARVS]

almost, every time

[@johnmathis1754]

Well said!

[@LoveyK]

It’s Wisconsin. The State of beer.

[@jeremybrinlee1965]

I can't think of two things that go together better. One piece of sh!t can ruin any activity anywhere.

[@madsterification]

This whole thing didnt need to happen. Drunk egos on both sides. People need to learn how to walk away.

[@Sgt.Wolfhart]

He didn't have to walk away those teens don't own the lake they had no right to tell anyone anything. Go watch the full video clown

[@johnmathis1754]

Agreed! There are no innocent people involved. Everyone played their part. Drinking, and drugs, are definitely a bad idea in public.

[@wvrjl]

The kids were basic kids in a group. Nicolai, the SUPPOSED adult, should haved walked away back to his group. The rest were telling him to leave . They were all in inner tubes. It was a lot easier for Nicolai to just go back to his group. It was flat-out murder-1: a) He kept patting the pocket the knife was in and smirking. b) He never stopped stabbing people at any point. c) He did NOT try to help any of the people and at no point did he call 911. d) He then escaped with his friends and got rid of his knife somewhere he thought the police wouldn't find it. e) He lied about having a knife. f) He continuously lied to police about what happened. At no point did he act like an innocent person who was stabbing in self-defense. And I should know because I've done it. I was brutally attacked and used s knife in self defence. He does not act like a man who used a knife in self-defense. He acts like a man who murdered and attempted to murder multiple people and is trying to hide it.

[@wvrjl]

​@@johnmathis1754- That's simply NOT true. This man flat-out murdered a 17-year-old kid and attempted to murder others as well. And they WERE innocent. Just because a couple of people in one of the groups (the teenage group) initially made some comments (typical boisterous kid shit you notmally ignore), doesn't mean they and the victims were not innocent. Only the 17 year old murder victim came from that group. The rest of the victims were from the older group of 20-somethings who I don't believe made any comments. But instead you damn all the kids/adults in 2 groups for the comments a couple of kids make???? Besides, I don't care what the Hell they said. He had a responsibility to walk away. He came up to THEM. He attacked THEM. It was NEVER self defense!! They didn't deserve to be murdered and severely injured. It blows my mind that you think some innocent kid who just happened to be in a group where some other kids made comments, that he should be responsible for their statements. But we don't even know who made those comments. They told him repeatedly to leave and he kept patting his pocket and smirking, and coming back. He certainly can't claim self-defense because nobody touched him and nobody menaced him, plus he ALWAYS had an escape. They just kept telling him to leave. If you think there are no innocent people here, then you are blind. I have had to use a knife in self-defense. So I know what that looks like. That is not this. This was a man who murdered a 17-year-old kid with forethought and attempted to murder others as well and they WERE innocent. He never tried to help them and he never called 911. Then he hid the murder weapon like any murderer would do. It's extremely easy to see who the innocent people are here: His victims who didn't approach Nikolai. His victims who never touched Nikolai or menaced him until he was attacking them (THAT is self defense). His lawyer lied just like he was lying to police. They never menaced him. They never pushed him UNTIL he started attacking them, at which point wouldn't you defend yourself??? The only time they got up to him, was to tell him to leave!!! And his lawyer saying that he fell and hurt his head . . . in the WATER is laughable. I'll have to try that one. His lawyer seems to forget that they never started pushing him until he was starting to attack and murder them. I also know what it's like to have the person who attacked me turned it around and actually blame me. Because a police officer didn't bother doing his job, and who may have had a previous maliciousness towards me because of my half brother... I was arrested for defending my own life in my own home against an unwelcome intruder who was high as a kite. The charges were dropped but not before it ruined my life.

[@styphlynne8253]

That's the American way!

[@courtneymarie3573]

That’s why ppl should stop bullying or tryna punk someone. You never know what ppl mental state is

[@heathernikki5734]

Exactly

[@chaplainsoffice6907]

Amen ❤️

[@markkulyas2418]

Recently a KZbinr was harassing a guy in a mall, the guy pulled out a gun and shot the KZbinr in the stomach. The district attorney did not charge him with a crime.

[@broeheemed32]

I can't take you seriously with "ppl" and "tryna".

[@The_Brew_Dog]

@@broeheemed32 honestly you probably shouldn’t take any KZbin comments all that seriously. Many of these people are literally children.

[@annnoble7181]

He used that knife like an assassin. Don't mess with people. One doesn't want to be dead right

[@frankshumskyiv1867]

the lesson learned is "Don't bring a White Claw Seltzer to a knife fight."

[@Brian-rl1yw]

These kids weren't half as tough as they thought they were.

[@ianharrison6970]

None of them knew self defense

[@mrx2586]

You do realise that these "kids" who you claim "weren't half as tough as they thought they were" were completely innocent and were not doing anything wrong as this analysis of the video clearly shows!

[@wvrjl]

The fact that Nikolai's group just went ahead and left is shocking.

[@styphlynne8253]

And today they expected USA courts to accommodate their spanish!! They wouldnt even say Yes or No! smh- stupid USA teens vs violent illegals! Hmmm

[@therealz360z7]

What do you think they should have done ? They couldn't do anything to help the angry mob the best thing to do is go home and call a criminal defense attorney to arrange for you to be interviewed would be the best approach they couldn't help them at this point .

[@markkulyas2418]

So you think the best thing to do is approach an angry mob that just got done beating up your friend in the middle of the Wilderness where there's no one around.

[@styphlynne8253]

@@therealz360z7 The river is known for partying. Many times Ive come across smart mouthed punks too. Just WALK AWAY ! Bet Nic is wishing he would have just left at the first sign of dumb people

[@IrishNattyby25]

​@@styphlynne8253💯🎯

[@666gato]

Anybody that's been actually watching the trial not just reading media headlines should be able to see the media has not been being honest about this situation . The verdict is going to show that .

[@The_Brew_Dog]

Ya… since when is the media honest about any situation these days? Playing on peoples emotions gets clicks unfortunately.

[@scottchavez1688]

They never are. My rule of thumb is when the news report on something, expect the opposite, or a flat out agenda.

[@Dollsteak69]

Not guilty.

[@upgrade1015]

Ehhh I’ve watched closely. Both parties are poopsocks . Period .

[@upgrade1015]

Nicoli just left after … that’s wild. he said .. nothing … to 🔪🔪🔪

[@The_Brew_Dog]

Whomever provided all these dumb kids with alcohol should be prosecuted.

[@ZA-co9vj]

They were of legal age to drink. Educate yourself before sounding ignorant.

[@RHINOTEJAS]

The young people didn't kill anyone. Fact.

[@johnbarajas-ps7hk]

this reply is so typical of knowitalls like za-co9vj except this time he is one ignorant the black guy said he was 17 what state can you drink at 17 you knowitnothing

[@Caveduck0137]

I think the problem has more to do with the guy murdering someone. Sure, the kids provoked him, but in no way did anyone deserve to be stabbed for this. This man is unstable and deserves to be locked away forever, the kids did nothing wrong

[@MsSandi777]

@@ZA-co9vj 17 IS A LEGAL AGE WHERE ?

[@mjcastle9534]

The young bullies should be facing charges, not the older man. Disgusting what they did to that old guy

[@martynsprawson1264]

And what about the 5 people he stabbed! Not just a small stab wound he gutted one kid! Kept the knife in and sliced him all the way up his front! And stabbed the lad who died in the heart? Is that not intent! Imagine the motion needed to stab someone through the heart and slice all the way up his chest! Not to mention the two rib bones that were severed in the process! That takes some strength. This wasn’t self defense at all

[@x420gamedx4]

​@martynsprawson1264 you can't reason with idiots like this

[@heathernikki5734]

He lied so much about it afterward I don’t have much sympathy for him. If you think you’re in the right , you’re not going to lie so ridiculously.

[@jennifermarie3158]

True. But the same can be said for the teenagers. Zero accountability from them either.

[@heathernikki5734]

@@jennifermarie3158true I think everyone involved made horrible choices and all this was so senseless and preventable. The teens escalated it until it all just spun out of control completely. I’m showing this to my kids to let them know how fast things can go wrong if you don’t mind your own business.

[@P4OE]

This prosecutor sounds like a rookie .

[@wvrjl]

Yes. I hope he doesn't blow it. It's MURDER ONE. The defense is good with no morals at all. That 3-part picture where they CLAIMED it proves that the murder victim tried to strangle Nikolai (in their opening statement), is actually the exact moment in time when Nikolai was stabbing him to death!!!!! That's why it is oddly cropped off, so you can't see the murder victim's body and you can't see Nicholas hands. I initially noticed the bizarre cropping and thought they were trying to hide something so I looked closer at the picture. And I noticed that the girl behind Nicholai was the first person he stabbed. And you can tell by the expression on her face and the way her body is oddly positioned, plus where she's standing, that that is the moment when she was looking at her side and realizing that she was bleeding and her face expressed shock. He was then immediately stabbing the murder victim (sorry, I forgot his name). To use that moment in time and cherry crop the portion of the picture they want, to say something was happening that wasn't happening, is really quite disgusting!

[@styphlynne8253]

He so is !! Good thing he didn't represent Rittenhouse !!

[@MiMi-kx1vy]

He sounds very inexperienced. He is throwing names out and just confusing people.

[@DEATH-THE-GOAT]

​@@styphlynne8253😂😂😂😂

[@GordonFreeman69]

There should be a counter suit for all the vertical video.

[@franklinhernandez683]

The times that I've drank I drink at home playing music I don't go nowhere

[@danielnewman4472]

No one cares about you

[@colleenbishop7387]

All he had to do was walk away. I agree😢

[@johnmathis1754]

All the kids had to do was shut their ignorant mouths, and they could of walked away as well. The woman who made physical contact with Mui made the worse decision, she had no right putting her hands on him. Not one person in the situation is blameless.

[@GhostRider-eq3ki]

They drew him over talking smack 🤷‍♂

[@wvrjl]

Yes, he could walk away, just like he walked up to them. In fact, the defense attorney at one point asked one of the kids, "You would agree that [the defendant] doesn't have any more responsibility to move away than the kids. Is that right?" The kid agreed with him because he didn't really think about it, but I don't agree with him. He had more responsibility to leave because, a) he was the one who came up to them. And, b) he's the adult in the situation. He's guilty of MURDER. The only real question is 1st degree or 2nd degree. I say 1st degree. I HOPE he doesn't get manslaughter, because he kept patting the knife and smirking. And he kept stabbing people after he stabbed the first one. He also kept the knife down with the edge up so they wouldn't see. And then he never tried to help any of them. He also never called 911. Then he left and discarded the knife. Not the actions of a man who believes he didn't just break the law. The boys only touched him in self defense, and defense of a woman, not the other way around.

[@GhostRider-eq3ki]

@@wvrjl Ya but a he came to them was because they where talking crap homeboy was raised in Romania

[@YourWifesBoyfriend__]

While surrounded by drunk aggressive people who are literally attacking him. Ya, just walk away. No. You stb til nobody's moving that's what you do.

[@briankane460]

Unfortunate, stop playing with people you never know who you are harassing

[@hugostiglitz5976]

"He could have walked away"… yea, so could have everyone else, and just passed by letting the guy look for the phone

[@Kristine_202]

What is your point? That they deserved to be stabbed because they were making fun of him?

[@shadow6024]

I wish I lived in your fantasy world. How is it?

[@amandalawrence9709]

He pulls a knife out and smiles. Why pull it out if you don’t intend to use it? Victim blaming is the center of this case and the comments and it’s truly sad. Everyone involved will never have the same life and one person actually lost their life.

[@briannasteele6074]

These young adults were behaving like intoxicated animals. .

[@shadow6024]

@@briannasteele6074 the old creep was also drunk. He pulled a knife and hit a woman before anything physical had happened. Stop victim blaming. Seek help.

[@soaphelps]

i love how everyone is saying he should of just walked away. tell me this, have any of you tried walking away while being pushed held down to the ground?

[@jamison1280]

No one held him down. He was left unscathed after stabbing 5 people and killing a child.

[@themartdog]

I think you need to watch this again. Old man started the violence.

[@alexpaulyoungthemuso3937]

​@@jamison1280*young man

[@Mami_Cienta]

u need to see the video from the old guy.....he acted in a self defense, they were punching him, choking him and trying to push into the water..... those young silly guys were bullying the guy...... what about if they killed the old guy ????? ​@@jamison1280

[@soaphelps]

@@jamison1280 quarter aged man

[@brophysique8981]

I feel like these women escalated the whole thing

[@JP_805]

We usually do LOL

[@shadow6024]

Oh they definitely did but no dude should be unsheathing a knife because of that

[@user-uj8uq1hf1d]

Like always!

[@OCDTraci]

Yes, please blame the women, little man

[@courtneymarie3573]

I just feel like ppl need to stop bullying and picking with ppl, and I also feel like as a grown man you should of walked away but it’s so easy to say it then actually doing it. It’s important to just let people be cause things can escalate in seconds

[@pattiwassman8703]

This is a very young prosecutor, he is doing his best to be extremely thorough calm and I think he's a good lawyer

[@heathernikki5734]

Albeit he’s absolutely wrong

[@johnmathis1754]

​@@heathernikki5734Agreed!

[@mega2250]

He is prosecuting a bullshit case. This is clear cut self-defense. In fact those teenagers and the parent who sent his sons to get involved should be charged

[@vickijo2343]

​@@heathernikki5734No hes not. Again, he charged first... they defended themselves. He had the weapon. They were the ones in fear of their lives... 1 lost his.

[@themartdog]

@@mega2250 how can you watch this very clear presentation and not see that the old guy pulled the knife out BEFORE anything happened, punched a girl and then stabbed a bunch of people (some who didn't even fight him)? He's TOAST.

[@Julie-wk7vo]

This guy couldn't sound any less interested. He sounds like he was just getting ready to go home, but his boss stopped him and told him he had to fill in for some other lawyer.

[@DanAkins-sd4ig]

As sick as a human can be.

[@zazasnruntz7505]

This is nothing compared to the stuff white Americans have done over the years

[@TexasTim45]

Yeah those kids weren't raised right

[@heathernikki5734]

The drunk pack of hyenas? Yaah

[@greggardner5015]

@@TexasTim45not kids Ages ranged from 17-24 But I agree with you

[@adelesenyszyn7183]

@heathernikki5734 so you're saying its ok to gut those kids? Were you never a teen or witnessed groups of teens? Fact is he could have walked away and I'm sure any parent on mui side then you're saying its ok to gut you're kids cos they were mouthy? Sad world we live in now 😭

[@sseiler1980]

They need to close with this exact same statement. Clear as day Nic could’ve walked away at any time and was in fact asked to dozens of times.

[@JAM661]

So could have the kids. He had a reason to stay in the area. Why sid those kid just not float down the river. Why did they bother him at all. Why did they push him. Once they push him and invited 10 other people to help beat him up then what he suppose to do. They all could have walked away.

[@tboy80z]

​@@JAM661EXACTLY! Who are they to dictate to this man what he must do? Why didn't they take their OWN advice and leave?

[@AV84USA]

They had his friends phone

[@markkulyas2418]

This is a free country the teenagers do not own the river, they have no right to tell the man he has to leave. If you're on a public sidewalk and somebody tells you to leave does that mean you have to leave? If they beat you up because you didn't leave is that okay.

[@wanderingwanda8972]

@sseiler1980 people like you are a part of the program. What about teens accountability? No one wants young people to be accountable not their parents. If those teens were raised right they would not have approached Nic at all. In my book the teens asked for trouble!.

[@potentiallyacommentor5648]

Violent criminal mob attacks man, state charges man. What a joke.

[@soniaf6156]

Exactly

[@southernbelle2478]

Man stabs teens that are being mean

[@yvonnedeboer7535]

I guess one of the reasons that nobody saw the knife is that you wouldn't expect someone having a knife while having a good time in the water. 😮

[@mikewilliams7218]

Huh? Always carry a blade or revolver in the water. You have to be a city slicker.

[@9sheri9]

13:30 then 13:50 "The eyes are the window to the soul, but the hands are the window to intent", a quote from John Correia of Active Self Protection. The photos shown here are a *perfect example* of this tenet, deconstructed very well by prosecution at 14:14. (Also, the look on Miu's face here is absolutely chilling IMO)

[@biiggExx]

Great break down. The guy snapped and looks possessed.

[@briankane460]

That guy is a clown

[@jamie.777]

Good time stamps Sheri. This guy Miu is a insane killer

[@botmes4044]

The prosecution broke it down that way because those are all the things one must do to legally claim self defense. You have to actually take a defensive posture, announce or display that you're brandishing a weapon, and try to step away from the "aggressor." This fucking psycho just pulled out his knife like a katana and started hacking. He literally walked over to Khylie and shanked her in the gut after she had already stepped away. He murdered Isaac for trying to breakup a perceived fist fight. I hope this monster rots in prison.

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

Don't throw out your dumb quotes.

[@PetsNPatients]

Nicolae has a problem telling the truth during his police interrogation.

[@amandalawrence9709]

For real! 😮

[@Buffalo_SLiM]

Amen!!!

[@mimimartin]

And those entitled kids have a problem telling the truth on the witness stand.

[@johnmathis1754]

Ahhh, the kids, especially AJ, had quite a difficult time telling the TRUTH, as well.

[@mega2250]

The police interrogation is a secondary issue. Everything that is needed to determine guilt or innocence happened well before the police ever got there

[@SandraGarcia-vz1fr]

Was I the only one who saw these spoiled kids harass, make fun, pushed this man

[@jamie.777]

No you didn't, also there NOT spoiled, there normal teens. . You defend the butcher !

[@laurawentworth6237]

So what the kids pushed this man! It didn’t give him the right to kill 1 and try to kill 4 others!! What’s wrong with you? Do you want to kill because someone says something to you that you don’t like?

[@user-db2kl8bj1j]

u a buddy of this killer ?

[@AreaCode757]

@@user-db2kl8bj1jthose teens got the “wrong one”……after listening to the testimony specifically the oldest carlson (father) those kids picked a fight an lost….the girls were self admitted to being extremely drunk as in blackout drunk AND high on marijuana….. they screamed at him that he was a “pedophile and predator” without any justification and pushed him and surrounded him while taunting Mui……now I don’t agree with stabbing them…..he did some devastating damage to multiple people….but…THIS should be a cautionary tale…..don’t assume that because your young or in a group…..that you all will win the fight….and in fact you may just lose your life….

[@AreaCode757]

@@fRdeadyI dunno they basically engaged in assault by mob…..the oldest carlson’s testimony didn’t help the case any

[@alesia912]

Sad situation

[@melb2258]

Whew!! Thank goodness Jawan recorded everything !! Always always record public violence !!

[@importantmancommenting9336]

For the culture!

[@ChineseSpyBal00n]

I see the racists came out for commenting.

[@StaceyJoy14]

….Jawan instigated the entire situation 😂

[@StaceyJoy14]

@@ChineseSpyBal00n racist about what?

[@ChineseSpyBal00n]

@@StaceyJoy14 the original comment and the first reply aren't said about the white people.

[@dokwalk621]

ALWAYS LOOK AT SOMEONES HANDS. How no one realized he was holding a knife is beyond me..

[@carolinawestern3875]

Even if they did start it. I dont know, but they weren't armed. Self defense isn't stabbing 5 people, mostly teenagers. Or killing one of them. It's to neutralize the imminent danger or stop a physical attack. Either way, this guy over reacted. All over what, a stupid phone?

[@MAGaBAMA_84]

Idk... If I'm this man, and have a crowd around me, and then I get punched... I'm doing something to protect myself. He was getting hit. What's someone suppose to do?

[@a.harrison3721]

Exactly. Self defense.

[@sylviasull]

He punched first, a girl. And not stab 4 people who are unarmed.

[@MontanaPDX]

Actually being afraid of women and skinny kids would make him a pussy not a grown ass man, which he is playing in court even the he left his group to start shit.

[@bobthetitanic]

​@@sylviasullwhere's the video evidence, there's video evidence of her in his face touching him but no hitting.

[@truecrimejungle]

walk away? fight back like a man? Oh pull a knife and disembowl and murder people because they pushed you in the water? Jesus christ man, admitting you'd stab a 20 year old girl for walking towards you is absolutely wild.

[@bobmurray3229]

Miu is a stone cold old school blade killer. He is NO amateur

[@ramadamming8498]

He was an engineer with two degrees - when was it that he was " no amateur" - you just commented that this person is a serial killer. So, why do you say that?

[@user-ou3zd5bt7i]

On the bright side, those surviving teenagers won't go around bullying anymore

[@The_Brew_Dog]

Maybe I’m being cynical but I doubt it. They are all being deemed “victims”.

[@rebeccayokoyama6821]

Mui took it upon himself to charge the group of kids who were drinking. He should have been an adult and ignore them, or, if the kids were out of hand, he (or anyone in his group) could’ve called the police.

[@AmEn1R]

And the defendant will spend majority of the rest of his life behind bars. NO bright side

[@messyfilms6325]

@@AmEn1Rbehind bars for what? He was defending himself from an attack.

[@marie-michelleanderson2851]

​@@messyfilms6325 For excessive violent reactions. You have the right to defend yourself BUT only to end the attack. Gutting a person is excessive. Punching the woman in the face was completely unnecessary. Running at the group was open aggression. He was NOT an innocent victim but a creepy person with aggressive issues.

[@heatherl7028]

He definitely took stuff too far …However these teens were definitely bullying and harrassing him . They even surrounded him and got right up on him filming him and yelling . They were truly acting like animals . It seems like everyone just wants to film and fight these days …sad society we have become .

[@jillybean9563]

The fact that he pulled his knife out BEFORE punching that woman, genuinely makes me think he knew exactly what he was doing. I personally believe he was so fragile, his ego was so bruised, he couldn't take being bullied a group of rowdy, drunk boys, that he pulled his knife out, punched a woman, knowing that it would illicit a response, so that he would have an excuse to start stabbing people. That's just my take on the situation. In the video he touches his knife and smirks a couple times, it's actually really uncomfortable to watch. I'm all for self defense, I teach my kids to defend themselves, but the man threw hands first, and he had his knife drawn and ready to go before he threw the first punch. Then he held his knife low at his side, never brandishing it, never holding it up or making a threat, he just stabbed kids who thought they were in a pushing match/fist fight. Guilty.

[@noreenwalker1776]

They started it (don’t start no stuff won’t be NO STUFF)

[@jillybean9563]

@@noreenwalker1776 Who started it? What video did you watch? I watched a creepy adult man run up on a group of teenagers. That's what I saw. Then I saw them tell him to leave 20+ times and instead of leaving, he punched a woman and stabbed 5 people in 25 seconds. It would've been awesome though if the judge told him "don't start no stuff won't be no stuff" when reading that GUILTY verdict. Lol

[@noreenwalker1776]

@@jillybean9563 yeah there was a video when he first walked over there THE 2 nice ( drunk girls)started calling him a pedophile & accused him of looking for little girls waving her phone in the air which HE probably thought they found his phone so think whatcha want but in the hood we say DONT START NO STUFF WONT BE NO STUFF

[@noreenwalker1776]

funny I just saw a video of the Rhyley Madison from her hospital bed & she said she said SHE PUNCHED HIM FIRST & then he swung at her!!! He pulled out the knife after the yelling screaming & laughing at him PUSHING SHOVING & CHOKING started 10-1 that seems like a fair fight!! All I’m sayin is if you think you can walk around calling PEOPLE NAMES & think there aren’t consequences you are sadly mistaken NOONE has to put up with ANYONES BS & if I saw my kids talking to someone like that & drinkingTHEY BETTER NOT EVEN COME HOME! I grew up in a time where RESPECT & DISCIPLINE went together not a HUG

[@jillybean9563]

@@noreenwalker1776 that's just not true. Lol. Hence the guilty verdict. It is not legal or moral to stab someone over name calling.

[@derekholdt9707]

The prosecutor already managed to put me to sleep. Twice. In broad daylight.

[@edwarcandy4648]

If mui were to have been skilled in the English language this horrific event, most likely, would not have happened.

[@sandrasylvester6810]

WOW! The defendant acting like he was clueless about the situation being a horrific situation as HE KNEW what he’d done, he tried to get away by a disguise and played it off as I guess I look loud the guy who did it. I’m raging inside hearing that during interrogation he LIED his butt off and created a situation that was a bald faced lie. Trying to take his pants off and he acted in self defense? When I heard when he was told that there were injured kids he acted baffled and responded by asking if they did it to each other, my mouth was wide open. This man was told many many times to LEAVE just GO AWAY by at least one girl but I think the second girl with her was also telling him that. He’s a grown adult who’s very large and I’ve seen the videos of him and he was provoking the continued altercation. He is so cold and from the smirk and smile on his face as he’s standing holding his knife shows why he didn’t leave, he was ensuring an escalated fight so he could put that knife to use. He knew he had a knife and that snorkel he claims they took HE put it under their rafts to initiate further contact. Why wouldn’t he leave when told to? He hit one of the girls and she fell in the water with that’s when the kids started to confront the guy and he stabbed them killing one instantly. Putting things into perspective is how it’s proven this man is a criminal and a ticking time bomb! Why would he have felt compelled to react to a group of teens he like the other ADULTS who were adult enough to not be fazed over them? Were the teens obnoxious, drinking and being teens YES, were they armed? NO! Did they tell the guy to leave? YES! Did the guy leave? NO. Did the guy have a knife? DEFINITELY! Did he leave the scene? YES! Did he try to disguise himself? YES! Well my point is he wasn’t being assaulted by the teens as they weren’t pulling his pants down, they didn’t have 2 knives on them, he was the only one who was armed with a knife as he proudly smirked at them as he held it at his side and stabbed 5 people. He was proud of himself as his face was all that needed to be seen to know he was an evil 😈 monster. Only a person who’s guilty would walk away, disguise himself and deny being the person police sought out and telling bold lies that video footage proves are indeed LIES! Disgusting as he plays innocent asking if they were stabbed fighting each other GRRRRR.

[@Dasboo08]

You are exactly right! This guy is a menace to society. Rest in peace Issac.

[@margueriteduras1657]

How many people did he kill in Romania before he left the country? He looks like a damn professional, with the knife lowered well hidden close to his side out of sight. A killing spree, going after each kid where he could just walk away .

[@noreenwalker1776]

if they didn’t act like assholes to begin with NONE OF THIS WLD HAVE ESCALATED!!!

[@wvrjl]

Why isn't the jury allowed to have a transcript of the trial when they're deliberating?

[@user-np2cn6ut5w]

It's sad that these so called teenagers had to learn not to intimidate people the hard way if you ask me, hope they learnt it!!!!

[@AmEn1R]

And the defendant will have plenty of time to learn with the time he is going to get

[@chuckmosca2379]

Kids unfortunately act like kids, but this adult even MORE unfortunately , didn't know how to be an adult.

[@barneyronnie]

​@@chuckmosca2379There is a dangerous absence of mutual respect in our society. They were young adults. I was in Vietnam at 19😮!

[@PJwoo20]

He wanted a fight but they didn’t know he was hiding a knife. That’s why the psycho was reaching for it the whole time. He will be found quilty, bet on it.

[@kimthreadgold2755]

Was Nokoli with a group of people? Alcohol really played a big part in this disaster. Alcohol delays peoples response😮.

[@clisbygaither4567]

Wow, had no idea Nic told some huge lies to the cops.

[@PetsNPatients]

Too much beer in the hot sun.

[@rosalainez2674]

Stabin 5 people oh God can bullying can lead to a trajedy

[@kevintaunt4385]

The kids were dumb punks, but that Roma is a stone-cold killer.

[@rickysneaks7424]

Definitely 2nd or 3rd degree.

[@kimtanguay6901]

How about this, why didn't the group let him look for the phone, then the snorkle? Or better yet, help him look?

[@alimarie67]

From what I’ve seen and heard so far…..Classic case of self defense.

[@nunyabidness6045]

The fact that Nicolai's wife divorced him after this speaks volumes, if you ask me!

[@lilg2300]

Yep. He must have been a tempered guy anyway, but seeing him like this, must have opened the eyes of her.

[@yassinhamza574]

Haha female devils are not loyal

[@mabele7014]

It speaks volumes to have these young kids not respecting authority in a taunting him has ruined his life. His wife probably divorced them because he's in jail. This causes tremendous stress in a marriage

[@marcopalazzo9349]

​@@criticalthinker2022 after watching the video I think he may be found not guilty. I haven't seen the whole trial nor will I be able to so I might be missing very important details.

[@johnmathis1754]

​@@marcopalazzo9349He definitely shouldn't be guilty of murder!

[@L0R3NtheS0URL3M0N]

Why are all these comments saying self defense? I am a very conservative person and full-heartedly believe in self-defense, even in the Rittenhouse case.. this? This is awful. He should have walked away. He is a man yearning for violence. If people are taunting you, the normal reaction is to walk away and deescalate the situation. Not him. He whipped out that knife with a smile, punched a woman. Disemboweled a man, stabbed a woman walking away, stabbed 2 others and killed a boy. Obviously everyone in this case was intoxicated. Intoxication doesn’t make stabbing 4 and killing 1 okay at all. He ran up on them, accused them of stealing his snorkel (faking a reason to start an altercation) and then proceeded to stab away after getting the validation after punching the woman, who her group were trying to protect.. awful situation. He definitely deserves to be locked up. I don’t know about premeditated.. but it sure isn’t looking too good for him. Praying for the victims..

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

He was scared!!!! That's fear.

[@Moondog1109]

​@@user-mg6so5wk4zhe wasn't afraid, he was smirking the whole time

[@bijouxdoum6199]

What do you mean even in the Rittenhouse case? This is 100% different than that. Kyle 100% defended himself, was being shot at before and after the entire time, and went straight to Police himself

[@melissasanford9652]

Here's the tell.. If he felt he was defending himself.. Why did he lie from the get go.. He knew he fkdup

[@georgewest9998]

Keep filming instead of helping.

[@scottchavez1688]

We use to drink and go down the apple river all the time. Kids get WASTED all the time. The difference? When we were 17,18 we would have asked him if he needed help looking for the phone, these kids called him a Pedo, mocked him, and thought it was funny.

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

Exactly grew up there. Those kids are wack!!!!

[@Leeniebean]

on the other hand, Mr Miu could have said excuse me my friend lost his phone around this area. have you seen a phone or can you please have a look around your tubes? He did, after all, approach them. What we got here is a failure to communicate.

[@khaosdagger2145]

I suggest you watch the entire video of the incident and not just go off other people opinions. Form your own opinion once you get all the facts. The videos you’ve probably seen have been heavily edited from the full 20 min video.

[@tombolo9912]

He literally just stated the video is three minutes long. If there was a longer version it would appear in court….

[@StaceyJoy14]

After watching the entire video, I don’t know how one can conclude it’s not self defense

[@madusonkeeper]

1 He could have walked away at anytime prior to attacking. 2 He rendered NO aid or help. 3 He lied and attempted to flee!

[@rickylaw8187]

4 yrs ago I was in my car at Walmart, windows rolled up minding my own business. Attacked by a group of kids, when I simply asked them nicely not to hit my car. 16,000 worth of medical. They did 3400 worth of damage to my car. I never raised my voice, or layed a hand on any of them. There was one 18, two 17, and one sixteen. I was 52 years old, and liscense to carry. After they jumped me upon exiting my car. I took a pretty good beaten for 54 seconds on the walmart camera. I finally got my pistol out of my pocket, and they all ran like cowards. Today's children have no respect for people's property or life. Watching this trial reminded me of the how these senseless kids attacked me. Then they got on social media and bragged about it. My whole county got on social media and came to back me. I never once was offensive to any of these kids. Only one kid walked away and didn't get involved. When the police showed up, the one that walked away, came to my defense and told the police the truth. They pulled the cameras at walmart and i did not even have to go to the trial. They all got 6 months in county. And have never paid a dime of my expenses. I pray justice is served for this man. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes..

[@rickylaw8187]

@paullllehtx first off justice for someone could be prison. Second as a former alcoholic, alcohol was involved, and they all lied on the stand. Everyone of them, the kids and the man. Problem is none of them were thinking rationally, they were all intoxicated, according to the medical records. I do believe the man was sentenced, and justice was served. The kids were not blameless, and acted like animals. When you put six young poodles on a grown Rottweiler. There is going to be some poodles hurt or possibly killed. I respect your take on it. I think the man got justice, but I don't think the kids that participated in it, were justified in there actions. I think the sentencing brought justice. Like I said earlier play stupid games win stupid prizes. Drinking brought a lot of hardship in my life. Thankfully it's been a stumbling block which I've gotten out of my life back in my early thirties.

[@blueday4644]

Nicolae Doomed: @ 33:43 defense attorney's reaction says it all.

[@followerofchrist510]

😅😅😅that bald defense attorney like "awww shyt & ohhh GAWD!" HIS ASSS TOAST! .

[@fatelvisjr3808]

Self defense 100percent

[@cdelane3335]

I think the jurors after watching the video is gonna have a hard time convicting him of 1st degree murder. They where instigating and put their hands on him for no reason. They might should've went for 2nd degree murder.

[@phoenixmerridian9119]

not true? He would not leave and then hit the girl, there are witnesses. You dont get to stab 5 people over that. he was antagonizing, you can see his crazed eyes and smile because he knew he was going to goad one of the kids into touching him so he could stab them all and claim self defence. Its asbolutely 1st degree. You can see it, how does he get away with stopping their tubes, putting his hands on their tubes, and punching a girl but its the kids fault for calling him names after he wouldnt go away, and then pushed him after he attacked a girl?

[@markmarshall6375]

He punched a women in face first who was separating the groups

[@The_Brew_Dog]

@@markmarshall6375show the proof of that.

[@kikilola2954]

No reason?! He put his hands on them first when he flipped their tube over and then punched a woman.

[@Kristine_202]

No reason? He punched a girl in the face.

[@hugostiglitz5976]

So basically they tried to punk ol’dude, and they end up finding out, they themselves are the punks… they played themselves

[@celenaG]

I think u missed the part when he touched them.

[@yourmomsspermdoner]

You missed the part where he was being jumped by a drunken mob.

[@ruslanotarov9727]

ol dude punked himself by being smashed. He is probably going away for life due to stupidity and being intoxicated. Any normal adult would had diffused the situation or walked away. Pulling out a knife to stand your ground against a bunch of drunk teenagers is insanely stupid. The old man was acting sketchy wouldn't leave and couldn't articulate his intensions clearly or make right decisions because of inebriated state.

[@katofuntato466]

You hit women too?

[@looking4things669]

@@ruslanotarov9727 True. He also punked himself by stabbing 5 and killing one.

[@AV84USA]

I believe that the teens had found the phone Nick was looking for or were letting him believe they had it. That explains why in the video they took (which seems to be missing earlier footage) Nick is seen beelining to one of their inner tubes and then searching intently as they taunt him in the same way bullies play “keep away” on the playground. There is evidence that they had similar looking dry bags, but since every one has lied on the stand and been deceptive and evasive, I think it’s likely there is more to the missing phone angle. Before anyone gets their knickers twisted, them having his phone or him believing they do does not justify him stabbing them. However, it definitely would explain why he was focused on them, why they were taunting him, why the camera Guy focused inside a hidden part on the tube, and why he was not just walking away. Them knocking him into the water and surrounding him was what Nick claimed made him in fear for his life

[@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123]

Why do you believe the teens had found his phone or were letting him believe they had it ? I haven’t seen anyone testify to that. He was in that area looking for the phone because that’s where it had fell in, the current carried them downstream until they stopped and Nicolia walked back towards where the kids were now and started snorkeling. They asked him what he was doing and he said, “looking for little girls” that’s what prompted them to call him a pedophile ….if he would have said, “hey we lost a phone” they kids would have kept going or stopped to help him look. The secret focus of the phone video you speak of is because the kid is sitting in a tube and his phone is in a bag on a lanyard around his neck. The kids were in their tubes when he rushed up on them !

[@AV84USA]

@@rnupnorthbrrrsm6123 there is a 3 minute video of the event that I watched about six times. I had typed out a point by point analysis of that video and why I thought what I did, but KZbin deleted it somehow. Anyway, at the beginning, he shows up with us mask and snorkel and you see him looking at the innertube, a girl is sitting on at something, and he rushes toward it, and, then he hears a lot of cat calling by the group. They sound, meaning the tone of what they’re saying sounds almost taunting. Somewhat like you would hear on a playground with kids playing keep away. He continues, looking around in the water and around presumably for the phone in the dry case. The kids continue Yelling at him, and the person who is filming, pans down and zooms into a cubby inside the innertube, almost as if to show the viewer that there is something in there… They are yelling at him to leave, but he is still apparently under the belief that the phone is still there, and besides, he has at this point, lost his mask and snorkel. he works his way around and motions to his group not once but twice to help him. I also noticed that the kid who was cut open lied on the stand. His hair was not wet and his vision was not obstructed, he saw everything but lied multiple times. What surprise me about the whole video was how quickly it happened. Like many, I was bothered by the fact that he had stabbed five people, but in the video it happens so quickly that he is just lashing out at whoever is in his way as he Fights back. It’s over in seconds. Also, there has been much discussion about him “smiling “but in the video he is smiling before the event happens, but it is a very uncomfortable, nervous, uncertain smile, that you see all around the world. It is not a happy smile, and I can’t believe people do not recognize this , and if they do, I can’t believe they are lying about it. As far as the “pedophile“ comment they were calling him that because, presumably, he gave a smart answer when they asked what he was looking for, and he said “young girls“ or something like that. There were zero young girls around there, and they knew better. They were just effing with him. All of this merely goes to whether or not at the time of the stabbing, he had good cause to feel in danger. In my opinion, I think he did because I would have felt severely threatened as well. He was unwilling at first to walk away because he was looking for his friends dry bag, phone, and then, at the end, he was unable to walk away, because they were all on top of him, punching, pushing, and yelling. While underwater, he reached in his pant pocket and pulled out the knife that was clipped there, and opened it with the blade up, as all knives do. Watch the video yourself, with and without sound, and ask yourself objectively if you were in that situation, would you feel threatened? Especially if you had just had a quadruple heart bypass surgery less than two years before.

[@southernbelle2478]

They deff did not have his phone 😂

[@jennifermarie3158]

I don't like how they keep talking about how smirking, deranged, etc Nicolae looks. He's under stress. The teenagers also look smirking, deranged, etc., but the prosecutor doesn't mention that. I feel like these subjective judgements are just biases because he is older and alone and should not be admissible in the detailing of evidence

[@txsurf87]

I think the fact that the guy punched a woman, stabbed 5 people (killing one) is a pretty good indicator of how deranged he was 🤷

[@NpgSymboL]

He was provoked to his limits. If they were normal and just helped him look for the phone nothing would have happened. both parties are rubbish

[@snipsnapsizzle2722]

He did walk away the crowd followed him and crowded him all while yelling nonsense

[@user-bt8on5gl8s]

These teens need to be charged!

[@miriamcervantes1812]

The defendant walked passed by an officer and didn't speak to him or said anything. Knowingly what he had just done, smells guilty to me. You don't act that way, or pretent to act surprised when officers tell him his under arrest. The moment a person decides to use an object as a weapon, knowingly it can cause serious injuries to a person is a crime.

[@darealstewboo4068]

Nicolae lied and this is where his punishment is going to come from. Those kids were very rude and should've left him alone but without them having a weapon no one deserved to die in public that day.

[@donaldpedigo296]

.. AUDIO QUALITY "SUCKS" .. BACKGROUND NOISE IS "OVER-WHELMING" ..

[@shanestamball1886]

Everyone claiming this is self defense clearly dont understand how self defense works. After a self defense incident, you make your claim immediately! YOU DO NOT act like you dont know whats going on, and claim you dont know what is going on. And toss the self defense weapon. This mans actions and his own words will get him life in the booty house. Although he should get the chair.

[@Dasboo08]

Agreed. He knows how to use a knife and inflicted the most damage that he could.

[@acepilotson3331]

Seems like everyone involved is deserving of blame.

[@jameshw9751]

Ridiculous. The killer is to blame.

[@acepilotson3331]

@@jameshw9751 along with most of the other people involved.

[@geniestotz2240]

Did anyone else notice that Mue held his concealed knife in his right hand wrist cocked and ready to use. He intended to use that knife as soon as he pulled it out of his pocket. Look at each photo of his right hand. Every view shows he was ready to kill.

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

Yes because he was physically assaulted already a mob crowded around him. Are you blind?

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

Ready to kill.. well apparently, he was a pedo according too the kids right? You don't think he would of been ready and killed too... they also lied told others (who by the way, are mostly the ones who got stabbed, ) they could of minded there business. But... no... they decided they wanted to believe these punks. Those kids caused it. He is not guilty of murder. He's guilty of manslaughter. 😊

[@tragedyturnedtriumph4180]

Wow no one is innocent here, These kids picking a fight & choose to stand next to him & ignoring that he's showing a knife, just dumb kids not realizing they are in danger.Smh😮

[@tragedyturnedtriumph4180]

@toulor895 Ha hold up,hold up,hold up, It's clear on video guy is assaulted first. & Premeditated? Just cause he had a knife doesn't mean he was gonna use it, he was passing by minding his own.

[@AFloridaSon]

​@tragedyturnedtriumph4180 You think that just because the 1st girl being punched wasn't caught on video, the jury will believe it never happened? There's too many witnesses, and the video of her wearing sunglasses one second and they're gone the next. He took the first swing. He is done.

[@breckoz]

I kinda wonder how you would fair in the situation and if you would be so quick to notice a guy in his swim trunks appearing unarmed had that knife on him. Also, while the kids were being rude they didn't deserve that and certainly you can't think the other group deserved stabbing. I don't get your angle here.

[@tragedyturnedtriumph4180]

@@breckoz I seriously don't get how sensitive people like mentioning things that was never said, who said anything about deserve?? My comment was simply about being dumb that's it😅

[@tragedyturnedtriumph4180]

@@breckoz You walk away to safely & call authorities if you want, but yeah you say way from crazy people because you don't know what they capable of

[@rodneymiller3979]

Called a pedophile and took his snorkel then a drunk Karen runs her mouth and inserts herself for no reason and escalates the situation too more than words and 6 on 1 he defended himself but they are all at fault and calling them little drunk 17 year old boys like its not a big deal is wrong these kids were bullying and the alcohol is what decided this outcome and the girl who claimed she was hit first she came over to the kids and escalated the whole situation if she would of left this wouldnt of happened.

[@PattiLeah]

Maybe all them drunks could have helped the man find his phone instead of ASSAULTING him.

[@lilg2300]

Why do they need to care about his phone?

[@elizabethtovar3603]

Exactly!

[@John-ff9us]

​@toulor895maybe a bunch of drunk teens doing drugs in public shouldn't use someone's phone as bait to piss off an already agitated old man then hide said phone as he crosses the river to retrieve what he assumes is what he lost then get berated called a pedophile and pushed into the water. Kids fucked around and found out.

[@mufasasdaughter4831]

He could have been drowned and nobody would have testified in his behalf. SELF DEFENCE. These kids were not raised well.

[@shadow6024]

Take a CDL class maybe you will learn a lil something about self defense

[@Kristine_202]

What are you even talking about? He does have people who will testify on his behalf, it's just not the defense's turn yet. Do you even understand how trials work or are you just commenting out of your ass? What was he defending himself from? Laughter? The boys weren't being physical at all. Yeah, the kids were being dicks. So what?! The group of adults that came over were trying to break them up (again, using words only) and he punched one of them in the face. He was the one who made things physical. Aside from the one 17 year old that he killed, everyone that he stabbed or punched was in the adult group. You're right, he could have drowned. He should have thought about that before punching a woman in the face while she was telling him to walk away. You should probably brush up on the criminal justice system before making any more asinine comments.

[@cornballmcgoo7174]

@@shadow6024 classes are for pansies did the founding father take your little girl classes?

[@joeyduese6638]

The teen girl he stabbed (that needed emergency surgery) that never touched him was going to drown him? The guy that got stabbed twice in the chest and stomach that was trying to break up the fight deserved that?? What the fuck is wrong with you??

[@shanestamball1886]

Well problem with this being self defense, is what he said immediately after being arrested. He played dumb, not standing up for himself saying i was only defending myself. That makes his actions malicious.

[@Trail717]

I’m sorry but there’s no way you can claim self defence after you’ve stabbed 5 unarmed people, disembowelling one and stabbing another through the heart? What on earth!?

[@Mina.15]

9 ppl 1 person

[@The_Brew_Dog]

More like 15 on 1

[@kikilola2954]

@@Mina.15 Those 9 people were only using words as a weapon until he punched a woman in the face

[@thrxshx]

@@kikilola2954liar

[@lilg2300]

Yeah, it's absolutely no self-defense.

[@e.nichols5380]

Exactly! The man was senselessly provoked and attacked. I will say he maybe could’ve stopped but the water and the group of people could’ve made one feel like there was no other option.

[@lilg2300]

He provoked as well, he escalated as well, he should have acted like a mature adult. He chose not to. It's not normal to stab a group of young people.

[@e.nichols5380]

@@lilg2300 there was nothing normal about this situation. Being attacked and screamed at from all sides by drunk people while in water is not normal. Protecting yourself is not provocative

[@greenoutgoblin]

@@e.nichols5380did you not see they didn’t put hands on him until they punched a women in the face

[@jeremybrinlee1965]

​​​@@e.nichols5380They were not innocent. They were definitely antagonizing the man. He never feared for his life. If he did he would've been trying to get away. He was smiling for god's sake. That 90 pound girl was just standing there and he stabbed her. He punched one girl and stabbed 5 other people. He gutted 2 of them. He never once tried to leave. Then he lied repeatedly afterwards. C'mon now. The teens are guilty of being assholes. He is guilty of murder, attempted murder, malicious wounding, concealing evidence, and lying to officers.

[@e.nichols5380]

@taramcgavan7654 there is zero evidence on video of him attacking that girl. Just a mob of drunk kids saying he did after they were already surrounding and antagonizing him.

[@songlover101able]

First of all why would anyone want to do water activities in a damn river

[@rachelk3532]

Should they have driven 30 hours to the nearest ocean beach? 🤣 people swim in rivers all the time, especially in land locked states

[@ronaldlindeman6136]

It is a river that is about 3 feet deep for a long way. People pay to go down the river and pay to use an innertube or more for the trip. It might take an hour or 2 to go down the river. I did the river once, 40 years ago. The Apple River is a 77.5-mile-long tributary of the St. Croix River in northwestern Wisconsin in the United States. Via the St. Croix, it is part of the watershed of the Mississippi River. It issues from Staples Lake in Barron County and flows generally southwestwardly through Polk and St. Croix counties. There is a website. Apple river tubing.

[@jeremybrinlee1965]

Because it's awesome. Believe it or not many people like being out in nature having fun. Maybe you think everyone should stay in their bedroom in their mom's house on the internet all day.

[@melissthaishmax2817]

​Their landlocked in Minnesota right? I'm in Jersey we got swamps, holes,ponds,creeks,lakes,caves,river, and ocean @@rachelk3532

[@bluecollar58]

I live within walking distance to the Atlantic ocean. I much prefer rivers lakes and streams.

[@freetob1]

Whomever is kicking the damn wooden divider is so annoying, wth?

[@jeffro4kag206]

When I was about 9 I kept kicking the counter cuz I was on this bar stool while my mom was making dinner. She kept telling me to stop it. She told me about four times and when I didn't she came over with a plate and smashed it over my head I never kicked a wall again. I had a headache for 3 days and when I told her she said, "Good, you deserve it"! I love that woman!

[@kirstyx]

Why can't we ever be able to live a life enjoying ourselves without violence, that doesn't make you feel better taking someone life away because your life gets taken away behind bars for good

[@user-wf1uo1cr3x]

My opinion as a practicing legal counsel: 1. This is a standard textbook definition of excessive use of force in self defense and he will most likely be charged for this; 2. Miu could have resorted to many less violent acts like, slapping/punching back, screaming for help, simply just waving with his knife instead of using it or just running away; 3. This is definitely not a violent ‘mob’ like most people here like to state. They had no guns or any other weapons, didn’t use excessive force and were not particularly threatening. He could’ve most likely walked away with very minor injuries but instead restored to murder and injuring people and continued even after he already scared the group away. People have lost their minds for thinking that this monsters actions are justified. I wonder if they would think the same about this man’s actions if it was their son who was killed. RIP Isaac and condolences to his family. I don’t feel like it’s being said enough here..

[@ryand141]

Ok, fair enough but 1. You are not thinking clearly being attacked. 2. The prosecution added lesser charges at the end, which is completely unfair. 3. They did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt because the jury did not look at it from Nick's perspective. He was clearly scared enough to get the knife out earlier.

[@FernGully37]

So he should just let them shove him around while being outnumbered? Your argument is flawed sir there is no “excessive use” of self defense, when you’re out numbered and are being attacked, it doesn’t matter how you defended yourself….you defended yourself even if that meant shooting or pushing someone off a cliff. YOU ACTED IN SELF DEFENSE WHAT PART OF SELF DEFENSE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND it is absolutely stupid to suggest there’s a spectrum of excessive self sense just ABSOLUTELY stupid !

[@southernbelle2478]

​@@ryand141it doesnt matter the jury found that it was excessive use if force which well it was. The boys had no weapons on them and he could see that the boys had no weapons on them. He had the chance to walk away he was not being held there. He never told the boys to stop or leave him alone or get back or anything before resukting to stabbing them.

[@southernbelle2478]

​@@FernGully37yes there is just like the court found it to be excessive use if force as well.

[@ryand141]

@@southernbelle2478 But in Florida, it's OK to stand your ground right? That's exactly what he was doing, standing his ground against a bunch of loud, entitled obnoxious teens and young adults. Why should he have to walk away? Please explain why.

[@Troublesome91x]

Don't provoke people then & especially insult them by calling them paedophiles.

[@Southern_Resist_]

It was senseless for a bunch of non disciplined teens to go out for the day, drink, act a fool, and then get their prize from playing stupid games.... Fuc around and find out....

[@styphlynne8253]

True that! I remember the days when I was young and stupid. But it doesn't merit death

[@Chris-vo3qp]

True that is a horrible outcome but blaming N.Miu for not walking away is pretty weak he was being jeered ,insulted and hounded by a bunch of little p**** and then some older “adults” decide to jump on him in his face telling him to piss off ,if that’s not provocation don’t know what is, of course his reaction is reprehensible as well, still murder is a bit thick.

[@themartdog]

They are literally acting like normal teenagers. You don't remember your cocky days? We look back and regret it, but we all acted like that around 17-18.

[@jordanmyers487]

I mean, would anyone keep messing with Denzel Washington if he was remaining silent. Kids should’ve stopped barking at him.

[@jordanmyers487]

@toulor895 The way you wrote your comment is stupid. For fuck sake, at least let ChatGPT help you write proper English grammar.

[@francisgoldstien6153]

Animal Not civilized behavior Shouldn't be roaming around In civilization.x

[@MrJonesy2121]

I guess they found out they cannot be keyboard.Computer gladiators in real life

[@yodiecomein]

so essentially jawahn cockmeal unnecessarily provoked miu before he ever punched anyone in the face. Everyone would still be alive today if Jawahn didnt have to film a selfie video antagonizing miu "for the culture" as he can be heard screaming.

[@GigglingHamster]

Yup

[@HellboundAmerica]

Sounds like a hate crime

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

For the culture... what his? He don't know shit about culture.

[@user-mg6so5wk4z]

His mama should of taught him.

[@thompthomp]

It wasn’t a selfie video😂 old head

[@user-nm8pd6ky1s]

After what Nickolae told "his" group and the police, about not having a knife and the kids having two knives she knew. And that is why his wife divorced his ass

[@Sgt.Wolfhart]

His wife divorced him because when this gets dropped they'll sue him. Can't get much out of a man that just got a divorce and had to give it all to his wife :)

[@littlewingmyoho]

​@@Sgt.Wolfhartyou know that how ?

[@styphlynne8253]

Unlike self defense with Kyle Rittenhouse who was acquitted, this guy Nic went back to that group twice, lied to his group, disguised himself to get out of the area, then lied to cops! That is not self defense! She knows he's guilty.

[@heathernikki5734]

The outrageous lies disturbed me. He doesn’t sound like a victim while lying his arse off to police

[@jamie.777]

​@littlewingmyoho its fact!! She divorced that butcher

[@gorantomic8475]

The man defended himself against aggressive behavior

[@MnSunshine]

Notice the prosecution say "witnesses say he punched Madison" no witness says they SEEN. The punch.

[@junnbugg9725]

Senseless act of people getting what they call for;Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes

[@joeyduese6638]

So stabbing the random teen girl next to him and almost killing her was justified just because she was around him was justified? Disemboweling the guy who just pushed him away was justified? Stabbing another teen in the chest and heart who put his hand on him was justified? Stabbing another man twice in the abdomen who was trying to break up the fight was justified? One teen died. A 17 year old kid is dead and 3 others could’ve died and this is your response. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[@johnmathis1754]

The physical contact was made by someone other than Mr. Miu first. I'm not saying Mr Miu is a saint, but neither are the kids, or the lady who touched him. She had no right putting her hands on him, and I would of been pissed off too if someone touched me. The kids were drinking and smoking weed in public, and obviously running their mouth harassing Mr. Mui. I don't have a problem at all that Mui was carrying a knife, these days it's understandable, and I carry mine every time I go out. The kid with curly hair and glasses that got stabbed, straight out lied in his testimony, saying he didn't even remember touching Miu at first, then saying he only put his hand on his shoulder, while the video proves he shoved him to the ground, and went in a second time to push him is when he got stabbed. In my opinion from everything I've seen so far, I would say it was definitely not first degree murder. I think Mui was probably scared, and was defending himself. I don't know if he should get off without repercussions, but definitely not murder. Horrible situation for everyone involved!

[@mikewilliams7218]

​@toulor895 is that illegal?

[@stoneybaker4404]

he clearly ran up on those kids grabbing at their floats and them thats assult is it not ?

[@mikewilliams7218]

@@stoneybaker4404 don't forget the blue voters say that words can be an assault. So he was assaulted first.

[@mikewilliams7218]

@stoneybaker4404 any physical, verbal or mental abuse is assault and can land you in jail. Ask me how I know. 🤔

[@themartdog]

He pulled out his knife FIRST and then punched a teenaged girl in the face. How many boys do you think would stand by and not react if some old bozo punched a girl in the face right in front of them? If they had noticed he had the knife, they might have hesitated.

[@DMScholfield]

Without defending the actions of the teenagers, Nickolae was clearly there to exert dominance. He is a violent man. That is obvious

[@mariocondello2353]

Don't beat up random ppl.

[@EternalVids]

This did not age well, after the defense exposed every single one of those perps for the liars they were...

[@corymaclean2534]

Wut? Compared to the lies Nikolai told? Laughable

[@hovan2yourjunk]

Were you ever a teenager hanging out with your friends drinking? Teens are just kids…they’re rowdy and sometimes punks but that isn’t a death sentence! This psycho ran upon on them…he wanted the trouble. Went after the women too! What kind of moron defends this animal?

[@southernbelle2478]

I mean he still was found guilty

[@martynsprawson1264]

How did his friends not see what he had just done? They were right there when he stabbed some of the kids