Warhammer Fantasy Battle Lore! The Hobgoblins! Slaves, Mercenaries And An Empire

[@Rivian_Jedi]

If I had to cobble together a theory on the various different back stories for the Hobgoblins, it would be that they indeed had been mercenaries in the West, and had fought alongside the Orks in their war against the Chaos Dwarves. However as much of their race was enslaved, some escaped to the Far East where they formed the Khanate. Whereas those in the West would go on to become slaves, then side with the Chaos Dwarves, and finally reach their position of prominence as favored servants. This would allow both distinct Hobgoblin societies to exist in universe.

[@derekburge5294]

"Mongolians should have tamed wolves." *Fuck Yes.*

[@bigkahoonaburger7303]

Literally how humans got dogs.... so they did, along with all the other humans

[@mullerpotgieter]

@@bigkahoonaburger7303 *Domesticated

[@bigkahoonaburger7303]

@@mullerpotgieter yes, your point is?

[@mullerpotgieter]

@@bigkahoonaburger7303 Taming only applies to individual animals. Domestication is selective breeding across generations

[@henriqueribeiro8167]

Its funny because the Mongolians were believed to be descended from a wolf and the Wolf Totem still exists as a symbol in their culture.

[@Le-cp9tr]

“We'll meet again, Spider-Man!” - Hobgoblins before backstabbing their own brethren

[@Marinealver]

Hobgoblin vs Skaven Who gets backstabbing first?

[@robertnelson9599]

There is a Hobgoblin Spider-Man villain.

[@Le-cp9tr]

@@robertnelson9599 that’s the joke

[@theenderdestruction2362]

@@Marinealver yes

[@zigzag1630]

I think the way that the Orks & Goblins have maintained their grudge against the hobgoblins despite having no history is the genetic knowledge that Orks & Goblins carry. The Hobgoblins pissed off the Orks so much that they wrote anger into their very genes! This is more explored in 40K but if Orks & Goblins in fantasy also have genetic memory then it makes sense.

[@Marinealver]

Dey look more like panzys, as If a humie covered hizself in leafs

[@PoorManatee6197]

Yes they have genetic memory, in the third battle for blackfire pass Karl Franz is possessed by Sigmar and the orc warboss feels fear just before dying because he has a flash back of Sigmar smashing orcs.

[@MichaelB-jw5po]

"Hobgoblins, hobgoblins, what do you do with those hobgoblins? They're over here, they're over there..."

[@Marinealver]

Hobgoblin and a Skaven are on an island with a single knife 🔪 Who gets stabbed first?

[@markmikolay9019]

Wolves are endurance hunters, they can absolutley keep running for a long time without getting tired, that is pretty much how they chase down elk for example. Keep chasing and nipping at the hind legs/rear it until it collapses from exhaustion and blood loss. As for the weight they can bear, if hobgoblins are somewhere between a human and a goblin in size, then regular wolves would perhaps struggle to carry them, but if they have been breeding these wolves for a long time, they might have been selecting for larger sizes, even more endurance, obidence etc.

[@TheLastSterling1304]

Humans were kinda like that too. Thanks to being one of the few animals that can sweat, we cool ourselves as we move. Infact we can simply chase an animal at jogging pace which by then becomes paralyzed through heat exhaustion.

[@kylewilliams6091]

@@TheLastSterling1304 it’s how we caught the first horses , humans would run them down over the course of a couple of days

[@DonArques]

I think Wolves/dogs can definately be used as mounts in theory, but they would have to be insanely larger than real-life wolves. Remember that the smallest riding horses/ponies we use for children weigh a minimum of 400pounds or 180kg. For a grown man you would need a much much larger horse. Hobgoblins seem to be around the same size as a human or perhaps slightly less, so you would need a wolf/dog breed that is at least 800pounds, preferably larger if you want good performance and add arms and armour into the picture. But hey, Warhammer is a fantasy world so I dont doubt that there could be breeds of wolves or dogs that are incredibly large. :)

[@TheLastSterling1304]

@@kylewilliams6091 Funny story. there was a long distance race between a camel and a horse. While the horse won, it later died of exhaustion while the camel was fine.

[@krzysztofdrzewiecki5618]

But horses eat grass. Wolves eat meat. Unless your ground grows meat, you cannot have herds of thousands wolves.

[@darkmage07070777]

As far as the wolf horse archer question: I imagine it's a trade-off: -less carrying capacity (and thus ammo and armor) -higher training requirement due to less steady gait +a smaller, more agile target that can dodge enemy fire better +better intimidation and ability to defend you if/when the enemy gets too close

[@desperado3236]

Is it a more steady gait though? Its hard to say but yeh your spot on. I imagine a wolf mount wouldnt make you a better archer but it would increase your toughness overall and utility. Youd be able to switch to melee shock cav to horse archer easily. I have to say though, fighting on a wolf would be weird. The wolf woud only be able to bite and wouldnt be able to pounce around without the hob falling off. Teaching a predator like a wolf to mostly sit still would be pretty hard.

[@evilroberto4024]

I remember seeing something that explaied the difference between how horses and dogs run. Horses tend to keep their back flat and running more with their legs where's dogs will bend forward arching their back. Meaning if you stan on your stirrups to stady yourself you'll bounce less on a horse than on a dog. So honestly it would be a lot harder to shoot on wolfback than horseback

[@O___P]

There's plenty of 3D printing files for chaos dwarfs around, Oldhammer is fairly popular to print. So if you want an army, they're even cheaper than buying a new army for a still existing faction from GW.

[@geoffreysavitz1278]

I love the little Ciaphas Cain book on the desk there.

[@Jollyroger117]

He was a true skaven ran till the end

[@catsareevil101]

So many possibilities, so little chance GW will capitalize on the Hobgoblins properly.

[@robertnelson9599]

GW gave up on Warhammer Fantasy. Age of Sigmar should never have been created.

[@VioletDeathRei]

@@robertnelson9599 What you're not digging the space marine knockoffs? Or that they make all of the Deamons for both 40k and fantasy warhammer Age of Sigmar to increase sales lol?

[@darkmadbat_]

Honestly the new Ork models are more hobgoblin-esque than orky

[@knighttemplaroftentacult7123]

@@robertnelson9599 Well... RN the AoS is not that bad. Stormcums aside, the models of the AoS are smocking good. Though I still miss the Old World...

[@barryhill2836]

I mean their new AOS release is literally hobgoblins rebranded.

[@livingdaybyday3469]

I was 16 when good old arch started his warhmmer lore and am now 22. My questions is will I die of old age before he covers half of what he promised?

[@Helthrum]

Yes

[@LethargicGM]

He'll be nuked by GW first.

[@livingdaybyday3469]

@@LethargicGM without a doubt

[@angry_zergling]

It depends. Did Arch ever promise he would cover those things within the next eighty years? Or that he would cover them in the Materium? Or that it would be covered in THIS plane of the Materium? Or that it wouldn't be covered in the warp? Just because Arch said he would make a video on something, one shouldn't presume he didn't mean it would be via KZbin as opposed to...some interference projected from his fading soul from the immatirium encoding a lore narrative into a hijacked astropathetic communication that will take place 30,000 years from now.

[@clevermcgenericname891]

Gor, I luvs 'obgoblins, so I does. Fry da tenderloins up wiv some lurvely liddle 'shrooms and a few potatoes, iffen yer got any, and washed down wiv a good fungus brew. Crooked Moon specialty that is.

[@Zakvadr1995]

LORE FOR THE LORE GOD! ARCHES FOR THE ARCH THRONE!

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

Ween he asked if orcs age is interesting because if they stoop killing stuff they die of old age and become fungus but if they were to survive fighting forever he would have become emortal so yeah fighting truly helps your health

[@toeletsplay1533]

Milk for the Khorneflakes ?

[@De_Wit]

Give me lore, or give me death.

[@De_Wit]

@trueblueprussian 23 ALL HAIL THE HOLY ARCH, BRINGER OF LORE VIDEO'S!!

[@thefluffles6384]

Skulls for the false Emperor!

[@jamesgorman5241]

At last I've wanted this ever since you covered the Choas dwarfs. Thank you.

[@Gherichto]

Yes! The sneakiest lads there is, the house gnoblars of the Dawi Zharr, I give you the Hobgoblins!

[@theblancmange1265]

A shame that video isn't available anymore. It was reachable from a playlist some time before hack.

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

@@theblancmange1265 well he’s gone and made like half the videos on his fantasy playlist private now, and this is just happening recently. Makes me wonder what’s actually going on and I pray someone has a thorough archive of his old vids

[@Argroh]

funny enough, the original idea of the hobgoblins in early warhammer artworks would later be sorta reused as the Kruleboyz in Age of Sigmar.

[@Solid_Snake427]

Oh my my my more fantasy lore praise be Arch!!

[@Ordcestus11]

Any chance we can get a mini series on the chaos gods? Specifically Nurgle to start with? I have bribes...

[@NoPantsBaby]

But have you gor bubos? Money fades brother. But poxmarks are forever.

[@Benthesniperof8]

Filthy stagnant fartbags, get with the program. The ever-changing program. I won't lie it's a task to keep up. But you should always change with the way of fate😉

[@mercerholt8299]

@@Benthesniperof8 Tes the Architect of fate is a difficult boss to understand but his incentives program is quite rewarding. Also good dental to.

[@DeltaPi314]

Pfff... You both preach but can't even take a moment enjoy the simple things that life has to offer. One should take a shower once in a while and the other needs ADHD medication. The female peenus is the future.

[@Benthesniperof8]

@@mercerholt8299 Alas the good dental had instead been replaced with great severance payouts should we mutate.. . And that has since been subsequently replaced again... Truly fate is a thread that needs unravelling...

[@ByzantineReactionary]

Oldhammer Chaos Dwarf and Hobgoblins are still my favourite! I've been compiling a Mordheim warband with them and think I'm going to do a 9th age army too

[@AmericanZergling]

I imagine when Warhammer 3 gets its inevitable Chaos Dwarf race pack, the Goblin Khan could fill a lord slot. In terms of aesthetic, I'd hope for a mixture of oldschool chaos dwarf/hobgoblins touched up with some grit and grimdark, but maintaining the Babylonian/Mongolian themes respectively.

[@ravanpee1325]

I don't think so, because no Chaos Dwarf will ever ever fight under a Goblin leader. Maybe a heroe char or Goblin Khanate subfaction

[@AmericanZergling]

@@ravanpee1325 I'm thinking a 'subfaction'. i.e. Chaos Dwarfs get hobgoblins within their roster. The Khan gets buffs for hobgoblins and major upkeep on dwarf units. Alternatively, the Khan could have a Skarsnik situation where he cannot recruit chaos dwarf units unless he captures their cities. In this sense, it would be in the Khan's interest to 'enslave' the chaos dwarfs, making them recruitable if he succeeds. Ultimately, he's a fluffy character, but I don't think he would warrant a full DLC by himself, and I wouldn't want him to just be an AI either. If Chaos Dwarf race pack gets 4 LL slots, the Khan could totally fit in one of them.

[@ravanpee1325]

@@AmericanZergling Problem is just Hobgoblin army is very limited in units. I assume a Hero or Legendary Hero

[@thinkwithurdipstick]

@@AmericanZergling i think the issue is that chaos dwarfs just would not serve under greenskins, even hobgoblins. They’re proud, arrogant, overlords that would not tolerate being themselves enslaved

[@maxpower3990]

@@AmericanZergling A Hobgoblin Khan Lord in a potential Chaos Dwarf race pack could use the example of Arkhan the Black and Aranessa Saltspite. A slightly different sub faction with a few different units.

[@hunterv9983]

Oh yes. Arch's fursona, THE SKAVEN GREY SEER!!!!!

[@jorgerios1473]

Eww

[@hunterv9983]

@@jorgerios1473 Eww as in "Eww, fursona"? Or as in "Eww why are you unthused?"

[@Varjokani]

I'm curious if this is just a custom animation by him or if there is actually some game with skaven cutscene as adorable as this? And yes I must have been broken in the head because I find Skaven gorgeous. *blush* .. Ska Bloodtail maybe hit me too hard on the last TRPG I had. XD

[@qwefg3]

When I heard chaos puppet all I could picture was a green ork puppet being operated by two or three goblins... Or two Skaven with a book on "how to talk ork" Yes utterly silly, but couldn't help it.

[@jacobbrennan442]

Laughed my ass off when I got a BET ad on this video. I am here viewing quality content/entertainment, so I would clearly not be interested in BET.

[@Marinealver]

I think Google does it just to spite us. You see many DNC ads on right leaning channels. But you won't see any Conservative ads on the SJW channels.

[@pedrokantor3997]

Funny, I just rewatched the bull centuar video where you mentioned that you were gonna get to the Hobgoblins eventually! Sooner than I expected to say the least.

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

Hobgoblins are clearly created by the Dawi Zharr! Look at their love for hats!!!

[@Marinealver]

Maybe Kronan the Kunnin is just a large Hobgoblin.

[@smellyflounder7544]

The Hobgoblins have recently been teased to return for Warhammer the Old World, in what way remains to be seen

[@paoloruggiero659]

Where did you see this?

[@smellyflounder7544]

@@paoloruggiero659 the second Map update where they show of Kislev

[@paoloruggiero659]

@@smellyflounder7544 sorry dude I searched but I can't seem to find it

[@smellyflounder7544]

@@paoloruggiero659 search for warhammer the old world new map kislev and look at the top right corner of the map

[@raven644]

Ahhh so good to see the old warren is still the same. Right down to Kibs head mounted on the wall. Glorious.

[@razvanconstantin740]

Oh shit I just saw the mounted Kibs head. All I can say it's that he's not so based and squek pilled now is he

[@cnlbenmc]

That's been a round a while.

[@razvanconstantin740]

@@cnlbenmc well there's no denying that but I just only now observed it

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

Be grateful, that he just mounted his head and not the other part on the wall.

[@NoPantsBaby]

That's not the only thing of Kibs that Arch mounted.

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

@@NoPantsBaby so you caught my drift. Did you study under Bob as well?

[@djxavier962]

I watch pretty much all your content while doing chores and such . I must say your oldhammer lore videos are my favorites.

[@Trisjack20]

Mine too

[@mina7572]

Wolves aren't carrying human weight and equipment so that aspect wouldn't be a problem. Otherwise they can probably reach their top speed from 0 faster than a horse can but have less mass and endurance, though more endurance than a big cat since they are canine. If you think about huskies pulling sleighs it makes a lot of sense that they would be good fast light harassers capable of decent distances, getting out of trouble just as fast as they got in to it, and maybe also scaring enemy horses.

[@Alorand]

The main problem with wolf cavalry is feeding armies of them without running out of prey. Notice that huskies are only used in the frozen north where horses couldn't find enough forage anyway, and meat doesn't spoil because the great outdoors is one big refrigerator.

[@mina7572]

@@Alorand Good point, I guess the gobbos would have to supplement with a squig based diet or say goodbye to wolf riding.

[@tommys_hobbies]

More Fantasy lore? WHAT YEAR IS IT?! Thank you Arch, you magnificent bastard. :)

[@matthewcapellen5826]

I love the background, especially the mounted head of Kibs on the wall! XD Excellent content as always my friend.

[@DarkRonnie]

i remember reading that the hobgoblins not only had a humb, but had evolved a bone plate between the shoulder plates, as a protection against backstapping

[@00784865]

SkavenArch is back! Praise to the Great Horned Rat yes-yes!

[@zedmercury2605]

Feed me more lore Arch, for I am never full of sweet useless knowledge.

[@Tang0Fox1]

Arch and Baldermort are my two favourite Warhammer40K lore specialists and griots.

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

Good taste you got there.

[@Oblivius33]

I can't confirm for Wolf's stamina but as far as dogs stamina. My idiot of a dog chased a doe non-stop for the whole night of Christmas 3 or 4 years ago and was found by a couple on a house on a hill rougly three kilometers away. And he was already getting old back then. Dogs are stubborn bastards that will run untill their heart bursts with the right reason.

[@xavierengels2420]

Please keep in mind that "Chaos Dwarves" are in fact 2 distinct factions : the Eastern Chaos Dwarves, that wear tube-like hats and tamed hobgoblins (they say ...), and the Norse Chaos Dwarves, which are a retake of the early Chaos Dwarves with an obvious proximity to more cllassic Chaos marauders. Therefore considering them in a priority order doesn't make sense.Wether you like their helmets or not ;)

[@Le-cp9tr]

Orks can fall to Chaos. Several fell to Khorne in a novel and Codex: Daemonhunters mentions they fall to Nurgle because he’s big and green

[@henriqueribeiro8167]

now that sounds like trouble.

[@charlottewalnut3118]

I get your dislike of not having faces on the models anymore but at the same time it does show the cow stores have gotten smarter because they finally figured out that they may be having helmets to cover your head would be a good idea proving that they are indeed the smartest guys in all of Warhammer. And I think they’re trying to get away from some of the goofiness to be fair I think they could go with more clothing on the bull Centaurs And secondarily their skin is supposed to be made of metal so the paint job should show that instead of making them look like normal flesh and they should have giant beards

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

I like the theory of the Hobgoblins secretly being corrupted by chaos. Arch has mentioned chaos green skins in 40K, said greenskins are rare due to the fact that, in 40K at least, Orcs can sense that something is "wrong" with them (perhaps because of how chaos affects the WAAAAGH field or something) and so are either killed or escape on a Freebooter ship. Perhaps this might explain as to why the other greenskins still hate the Hobgoblins, as I find it unlikely that they keep records of the hobgoblin's betrayal considering how Orcs and Goblins usually are. So rather than it being that the Orcs and Goblins remember the betrayal, it's instead that they just know something is "wrong" with that Hobgoblins and hate them instinctually. Doesn’t help that it likely also means that the Hobgoblins have abandoned Gork and Mork. This corruption may also be why they so readily allied with the Chaos Dwarfs, as aside from all the benefits, the both worshiped chaos in some form of another and so get along like a house on fire. That's my theory anyways.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

Based on what we know about them, I think the Hobgoblins, like the Black Orks, were created artificially by the Chaos Dwarves. As for why they did this, I don't think they were trying to create better workers. I think the Chaos Dwarves were conducting the magical equivalent of a super soldier program to enhance their own troops and used the Greenskins as guinea pigs. The Gnoblars may have also been created by the Chaos Dwarves to either gift or sell to the Ogres, their only real allies in the world, seeing as they are essentially goblins, barring their slight physical differences, that seem biologically programmed to serve Ogres instead of Orks.

[@DeltaPi314]

Which is the part of lore that I don't like. I would have preferred to see Chaos Dwarfs going Automa/Robot units to bolster their numbers. Imagine having models of four legged robots possessed by a minor chaos demon that spits fire....

[@MrMedukneusha]

In the novels (Old World as aos is non-cannon to me) Wild Kingdoms: A Hobgoblin warboss...maybe it was a regular goblin, while not dying of old age was old and decrepit and could no longer lead raids as he was towed on a cart or some such. The location was in the dark lands so its possible it was a hobgoblin.

[@KiithnarasAshaa]

I very much appreciate that Fantasy Arch is a Skaven Seer

[@darkmage07070777]

Damn awesome animation for the WH Fantasy stuff! Really digging the Skaven aesthetic!

[@darkinnovator2479]

In short, Hobgoblins should have been the obstacle that Archaon went after first, lol. Burn the East, as well as the North. Wait, Kharn? What is the Betrayer doing in Fantasy, lol!

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

Must be some silly crossover shenanigans.

[@KeacePeeper]

It WOULD be funny if it turns out that Kharn is the legendary Leader of the Hobgoblins...a bit silli but also funny.

[@darkinnovator2479]

@@KeacePeeper Kharn the Hobgoblin kills off his fellows, and rampages across the known world.

[@bluebear3812]

I had completely forgotten Hobgoblins were in Warhammer Fantasy, but then so did Games Workshop. That production value 'though! So many details, from the Ciaphas Cain book on the desk to Kibs stuffed head mounted on the wall. Love it.

[@Erik-hh9bp]

I bought 4 of them Bolt throwers. And had a mob of Hibgoblins to stump the Animosity check. Orcs have to keep an eye on the back stabbers. ;) Other then that, the 3rd edition Chaos Dwarfs were my favorite. But the big hats were still cool.

[@Erik-hh9bp]

Hobgoblin (auto correct)

[@fabianekmartin]

Well, wolfs are endurance hunters so, I think that they would hace great stamina.

[@thesugardaddy7037]

I know it's bouta be a good day when barch drops a lore video

[@KingQwertzlbrmpf]

Wolves are actually an inferior mount for mounted archers compared to horses. They are slower than horses, much less endurant and can carry only much lighter loads. They do have some advantages over horse mounted archers though. They have a superior sense of smell and as such can help in tracking down enemies, they are naturally stealthy, they are much more agile in close quarters (which can occasionally make them harder to ride) and they can assist their rider in combat much better than a horse. Now, the disadvantages could, at least to a degree be migitated via selective breeding, but what gives the idea the death blow is not those disadvantages. What gives the idea the deathblow is a matter of upkeep. Wolves neccesarily need meat for their food. And with especially large and powerful woves a massive amount of that. With horse archers they only need to carry food for the rider and the horse can just graze on the endless meadows they are riding through. With wolves you need to additionally carry the meat for the wolve. And no matter how you square it, this limits the range of movement for the wolve riders dramatically. And a large range of movement is püretty much essential to any light and especially skirmish cavalry.

[@scrubsrc4084]

When the orcs and gobbos think your too treacherous to deal with then your top tier green skin!. I miss the chaos dwarves too. They were soooooo strong

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

The new Hobgrots are a type of Hobgoblin descendant too, and they have a pretty unique and fun look.

[@martontoth2063]

The Great Hobgobla-Khan must be one hell of a monster, if he can manage to keep a whole empire stable inhabited by a race of ultimate backstabbers :D

[@ArkEsoteric]

Hobgoblins, Hobgoblins, What do you do with those Hobgoblins? They're over here, They're over there. Those darn Hobgoblins are everywhere. Stuck in my head now

[@NetMoverSitan]

You've covered both the Chaos Dwarves and their Bull Centaurs. | 3:06 - They now look like some form of Beastman. | 4:25 - KHAN!!! (echoes) | 6:03 - As the Joker put it "If I going to have a past, I'd much prefer it to be multiple choice."

[@comradestarbucks2726]

For a second I thought this madlad was gonna do a second video on gnoblars to see what happens this time.

[@ornu01]

An excellent example on how GDubs is allergic to money and success.

[@yaksas04]

I alway liked the idea of wolf cavalry. Wolves run quieter than horses and are at home in the woods. So you get a more covert cavalry weaving through the trees to strike and fade back into the forest. This at the trade off of some speed.

[@ej.crusing6130]

It’s videos like this that make me wish I could have been about in the community for warhammer fantasy

[@ryanwassle4824]

No offense Arch but it's a sad world we live in when the only thing I'm excited about on Friday is Arch did a video

[@Marinealver]

I work Saturday and Sunday. I hate Fridays

[@fuzzybeard3525]

Seeing Hobgoblins always makes me wish chaos dwarfs got far more love than they did.

[@Ali410000]

Games workshop did, back in the days of 6th/7th edition, set out rules for various hobgoblin subspecies. My brother used fire kobolds to great effect against me! Having invested in a fire retardent suit I am a little more protected

[@Taranchule]

If you place any stock in Mathias Eliasson's Warhammer 9th Edition and Armies Project, he basically splits the difference. The squatter, pot-bellied hobgoblins are a specific breed that evolved under the Chaos Dwarfs, while the taller, more Tolkien-esq form are from the Khanate. All are treacherous and have that lovely little lump of bone in their backs.

[@Maezhughes]

I love the animated intro that u have for fantasy lore vids

[@dcbluenose1873]

Am liking the recent fantasy lore. Keep it up!

[@erikthered7876]

@Arch, as a fellow Dawi Zharr fanatic, I really appreciate the videos you put out dealing with them, Hobgoblins included, its as I always say, no TableTop Chaos Dwarf fan would ever hate the Hobgoblins, they are damn near as important to the Chaos Dwarf faction as the Chaos Dwarfs themselves are/were. With that being said, yes there is surprisingly a mention of a Greenskin, and a Hobgoblin at that, dying of old age. I very recently did a post on Hobgoblins on the Total War Forums, so I actually can give you the mention as its fresh in my head. Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay: Old World Bestiary, Vol. 1, Pages 25,26,99,100= snip.... Scarred old mate of mine named Shoresh, least whys as close to a friend as I’ve ever had among them, seeing as he didn’t stick me when he had the chance, told me there have been many Hobgobla Khans over time. Most fall in battle or are sorted out by assassination with great regularity. Only the infamous Morcar Kahn the Cunning managed to die of old age. I reckon it was the truth ‘cause Shoresh was drunk when he told me, but you can never tell with a Hob. Sneaky bastards the lot of ‘em. Why they fit in so well with us mercenaries, eh? Sergeant Uhler Carroburg, War Dog forums.totalwar.com/discussion/275635/november-is-hobgoblin-awareness-month#latest forums.totalwar.com/discussion/293035/hobgoblin-culture-differences-a-look-into-the-varying-hobgoblin-cultures/p1

[@MrNetWraith]

It's interesting to compare Warhammer hobgoblins to their far-flung D&D roots, Warhammer Fantasy literally having evolved out of Games Workshop d eciding to go independent and cobble together a world from the mixture of historical wargaming, D&D and Runequest models they used to produce. In the olden days, D&D hobgobbos were Lawful Evil because they were a highly organized and militaristic society with dreams of conquest (and also a very distinctive Chinese/Japanese/Mongolian aesthetic), to the point their greatest flaw was their inability to unite - two tribes couldn't meet without fighting for dominance. In contrast, orcs were Lawful Evil because they were a natural race of thugs and underlings, kowtowing to any sufficiently ferocious and intimidating dark overlord figure - they even had the same afterlife, Acheron, which they fought over bitterly. In 3rd edition, they finally diverged; hobgoblins retained their old Lawful Evil nature, whilst orcs became Chaotic Evil barbarians, marauders and raiders - very much in line with Warhammer's orcs, in fact.

[@Ng-zg4dq]

Very cool to have these guys in the Tamurkhan campaign

[@asaenvolk]

I always wanted something like a Hobgoblin in 40k, like an advanced Gretchen that has gotten "Bigah"

[@wintersking4290]

Carrying no weight a wolf can run more than 100 miles in one day. Their endurance is insane. If bred for large sizes and greater strength and endurance, they could potentially work.

[@gregorsamsa6522]

Really missed the Warhammer Fantasy videos, I remember watching them back before Warhammer tw came out with so much hype

[@SeraphimKnight]

Much like the annihilation of the squats from 40k, the disappearance of the chaos dwarfs is a terrible mistake that GW will never acknowledge or correct.

[@alexcc293]

Loving the background animation, well done Arch, fantastic video

[@mina7572]

23:00 Pretty sure that is an image of Goblin wolf riders, not Hobgoblin wolf riders.

[@johnbeck1978]

Love it. The hobgoblins are the house N's of the old world.

[@LanceTheAutobot]

( you see a goblin doing jumping jacks) : Arch : No no I said hobgoblin not HOPgoblin ( goblin walks away with tears running from its beedie little eyes )

[@lucho9911]

if the mongols were riding giant wolves instead of horses i think we would be talking mongolian today xD

[@Marinealver]

Orks have Goblins and they beat them Ogres have Gnoblars and they eat them Chaos Dwarves have Hobgoblins and they enslaved them. That is how you know how much suffering is inflicted by the Chaos Dwarves.

[@brutalusgaming8809]

The real question of Horse vs wolf is feeding them in large enough numbers to actually field armies of them.

[@MalekKashima]

Someone needs to get this man a studio so he and whoever does the cgi for the fantasy lore can go completely 40k on the other lore arts imagine this for his powered armor and inquisitor personas.

[@charlesballiet7074]

those chaos dwarf cake hats are awesome

[@hardboiledbob7946]

Good old fashioned fantasy lore.

[@muninrob]

I think I liked the hand drawn Arch-Skaven better. (Not even sure why, IMO this CGI wins in every category I can put a number on - but the hand drawn one beats it hands down on "overall" and "feels right")

[@kenrudd6362]

good more lore from arch yes-yes

[@williamblack6912]

I'm not quite sure if greenskins die from old age. So it coulb be possible that hobgobla khan is very old...and very big for a goblin.

[@ravanpee1325]

Greenskin fight so much, nobody will die from old age. Also there's so much backstabbing, no way the Hobgoblin Khan is always the same person. It#s just a title

[@phantomjoker5]

finally more warhammer lore

[@Feenix102]

Looks like someone took the fun out of the chaos dwarves. And the hobby as a whole to an extent. Which is a shame.

[@SeraphimKnight]

Gobbos with mustaches and furry hats is high culture.

[@Benthesniperof8]

Praise be, the Arch God can use his skaven intro!

[@tauIrrydah]

It's Malibu Hobgoblin, now with a new hat!

[@DeathByStupidity9]

That's a fancy intro ^^

[@cnlbenmc]

Well, we haven't seen this intro in a long time!

[@moxtordoki96]

Can a wolf run as long and as fast as a horse? Yes and yes. They like to exaust their prey by chasing it and then, kill and eat it. They are best boys

[@matthieuniclas9784]

When it comes to miniatures, I prefer details, so yeah I agree with Arch. Long live the open helmet and the over the top hat

[@tauIrrydah]

Given the origins of the bull-centaurs I'm pretty sure we can all understand why they wanted to bury that narrative tidbit.

[@captaincanuck6738]

Always love the lore videos Arch!

[@dumoktheartist]

I actually liked the hobgoblin faction, In the second ed they were pretty damned close to the DnD version but also decent swords men.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

Tolkien had his Wargs, which where the much larger and more brutal big brothers of wolves. I know that they are shown a bit in the movies, including the joke of Gimli getting trapped under first 1 then 2 of them. Can't remember for the life of me if they are mentioned in the books, probably but would have to look that up.

[@krinkrin5982]

Fun fact: In the second edition of Warhammer FRP, goblins use Giant Wolves, which are actually faster than horses. So yes, they very much are a superior mount for a horse archer.

[@kharak6204]

they still do in regular wh fantasy, and they're still faster yes so as far as the game is concerned they're some of the better "horse" archer units, but in a more realistic scenario speed is a lot less important than stability and endurance, a massive wolf pouncing about would hardly be a suitable thing to shoot from

[@jesspayne5548]

@@kharak6204 endurance would not be the issue

[@kharak6204]

@@jesspayne5548 I'd imagine it would be, outpacing the opponents is the easy part, the problem is doing it again and again for a long time for flanking maneuvers and hit and run tactics, that's where endurance comes in

[@jesspayne5548]

@@kharak6204 wolves are canines canines don’t really get tired unless they want to be. Dogs have stupid endurance I’m sure a wolf that was bred for war would also have endurance especially based on wolf hunting methods which involve running for hours or even days.