Are Industry Artists Getting Less Talented?

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@ammolator 7 ай бұрын

Artists aren't becoming less talented, its just that producers keep putting all these talentless people on market. I see so many talented online with little to no following, if I walk outside I see so many talented people performing on streets.

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s become all about marketing

@belindauo 6 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@lithia481 7 ай бұрын

i've spent decades and tens of thousands of hours honing my singing voice and poetry and for what. 2024 is heartbreaking

@cherrywaves261 6 ай бұрын

Well I hope you find success with ur art!

@msandrie 7 ай бұрын

I would argue this is happening even with non industry plants. Im gonna get crucified for this but miss Swift is a huge example. Shes so corporate and disconnected from everything, i just cant relate to her music anymore and so many of these big artists DIDN'T grow organically. They were born into money, had extensive connections in the industry through their families, and have entire teams behind them to manipulate media and pr to sway things in their direction. And idg whats so hard to understand about that. PS: love love love Lil Nas X. He's the furthest thing from a plant.

@aworte3266 7 ай бұрын

Taylor may be cooperate now but she did grow organically. Her family did have wealth but the local gigs and online marketing made her noticed as a country artist

@ghostofdavinci2003 6 ай бұрын

@aworte3266 i think thats why i like her older songs bc i can connect. She's obviously great at storytelling but now the storytelling is a bit idk what to call it but it's not something? Taylor changed genres and that was fine by me but the lyrics i dont obsess like i did with older songs? Idk i stopped after reputation

@SlapstickGenius23 6 ай бұрын

They’re like the filthiest of nepo-babies or simply the most ridiculous humans with famous connections too.

@jenpoison 5 ай бұрын

Just because you can’t relate doesn’t mean others feel the same way. I think the reason it feel like she’s soo corporate is because she’s reached new, bigger levels of fame.

@megan-mr9vk 7 ай бұрын

the barrier to entry is so low with the internet. before, you had to gain a following local to one place. now, you can have fans internationally while being a lesser artist. anyone can gain an audience. that’s why we saw an uptick in bad rappers during the soundcloud era, bad alt bands during the myspace era, and now bad pop stars in the tik tok era.

@artis_1001 7 ай бұрын

As of the 1990’s and 2000’s , the untalented artist with commercial success has been a phenomena that confuses and in a way , inspires consumers. This isn’t new but it is more prominent today than ever before. There are a lot of “industry plants” that are used to sell an image regardless of talent or skill. The successful untalented artist have a team of people who make them look creative, cool, and innovative. These aren’t artists these are imposters

@ItsQueViolette 7 ай бұрын

No actually I’m sick of this take, even in the 90s & 00s they had SOME sort of talent, it may not be the craft itself but it might be their persona or their ability to sell a song. Today there is NOTHING. For instance Britney Spears, maybe she wasn’t a great singer or a great dancer, but she could sell it. Dawg you’re telling me LEAH KATE IS LIKE A BRITNEY SPEARS??? Stop it, it’s gotten worse

@angelr5694 7 ай бұрын

@@ItsQueViolette right! and even with Britney we are now finding out the the powers that be made her change her voice and she actually can sing or could.... wild literally you need no skill just a "certain" look

@assassin8636 7 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't agree what this op comment is saying and is really wrong

@assassin8636 7 ай бұрын

@ItsQueViolette for the first part you were going good until the "today is nothing" and "Brittney Spears isn't a great dancer or singing" Like there is a lot of talented people in the industry you're not exploring enough and just believing what everyone says on KZbin

@assassin8636 7 ай бұрын

@angelr5694 that's not even true but whatever, join the rest of the what negative people say online

@lukewarm4309 7 ай бұрын

I understand and respect what you saying but as a musician and someone who's really into music it's hard for me to grasp. I grew up on hip hop R&B Funk soul jazz all types of music. Jazz has given me a purpose and through studying it and music in general I've learned a whole new language.. Our culture is so rich. Idk where I'd be without it. I feel like so many young people will never know about it I don't understand why that has to change. There's nothing prolific about a lot of the music out these days. I don't know what to say and it's hard for me to grasp. it's just sad. I just think about the youth and what they're missing out on

@angelr5694 7 ай бұрын

I was thinking about this very same thing lately especially with the discourse with certain artist these past month and the excuses people make to defend an untalented person is literally killing music.

@Dave102693 7 ай бұрын

Jlo or Jojo Siwa?

@Jennifer-my5dm 6 ай бұрын

I keep wondering if some of the artists I have enjoyed since I was a teenager in the 80s would have been given a record contract, let alone made it big.

@MrBaskins2010 7 ай бұрын

untalented artists are ideal for labels because they're easier to manipulate. they know without the industry machine, their career is over. like carrot n stick sorta thing. tekashi 6ix9ine is the tucker carlson of hip hop

@alexj-t2331 7 ай бұрын

Talented people cannot pay for their own marketing so they are lost

@Fauxglove 7 ай бұрын

I feel like this kind of ties in with the current AI art debacle as well. Anyone now has the ability to use computer tools to create art (physical or musical) but without the background knowledge of what works, they can't get as far as those who have trained or practiced in the respective field.

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

That's true, AI is changing things as well, but you can't beat knowing the fundamentals.

@coreydarden8481 7 ай бұрын

Let's keep in mind There are Artists that have A lot of Talents Performing at Bars and Clubs with hard work *Besides Those Social media Industry Plants* We can Separate between Art and Social media 🇺🇸🎶🎼🎵🎼

@Jennifer-my5dm 6 ай бұрын

I have friends who host backyard concerts during the summer. The artists that perform aren't that well-known, but they are very talented. It's a shame they can't get the fame of some of these less talented so-called artists.

@coreydarden8481 6 ай бұрын

@@Jennifer-my5dm Cool 😎 👍👍👏

@RamenzillaX 7 ай бұрын

A big selling point and potential for profit for artists in the past was the live show, in addition to record sales, which is probably the biggest point of change from the past to current day. Now record labels care about who gets the most streams and views for revenue so whoever gets the most clicks/eyeballs on them is what sells, not necessarily who sells out shows by virtue of their sheer talent (although those artists still exist). You don't have to be able to deliver fantastic live shows or have an impressive discography anymore, you just need views....which you can get any number of ways (image, virality, shock value, etc).

@eth3realdivine336 3 ай бұрын

I was born in 1993 and grew up one of the “golden ages” of entertainment so I’m used to celebrities having real star power/talent. What a time that was! The industry is such a joke these days I really don’t even know half these new ppl lmaooo

@emilyeicher7606 7 ай бұрын

I guess I sorta disagree? I think people are less insecure about the times changing in the way of “oh you need to be good at social media to make it” but rather the angle of this being the new “video killed the radio star” It sorta just matters that you’re hot and trendy, if you’re talented but “ugly” you just aren’t going to make it. If you’re not immortally looking like your 20s your career is over. I hope that makes any sense. It definitely goes hand in hand with your conclusion, but I feel like I’m seeing comments that come from this angle too.

@scratchjohnson4636 7 ай бұрын

I really like this topic! :) also I love how you're able to be honest and analytical while still being polite. however, I disagree with the idea that people are just "snobs" though. I believe that when art released to the public for profit, it's okay for people to voice what they like and dislike about it (politely, of course, hate isn't okay!). also as a musician, I think criticism helps people grow- if nobody was willing to tell me when my voice was flat or my breath control was weak, I wouldn't have known what to improve. I know that with the ice spice situation, some of the criticism is coming from fans, which I think is completely valid- if someone pays a lot of money to see an artist they like, I do think it's fair for them to be disappointed if they're not seeing whatever amount of effort they were expecting. you're completely right that it's not the artists' fault though! I honestly think if record labels would be willing to invest in artist development again and allow them to have more breathing room between releases, less people would be saying stuff like that. I love that social media provides less industry gatekeeping, but I do hate how it can end sometimes force artists into marketing full-time even when they might want to be honing their craft. like artists might have been "more talented" back then, but it's not like they had to be their own managers and promoters. sorry for the long comment I love your videos!

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

Great point, it is important to be able to give feedback if it’s respectful and productive👍🏾

@a444ashe 7 ай бұрын

you said everythingggg. pure truth. It's quickly becoming a different space with technology and the new ways of producing and showcasing music and art in general. With easier access to technology, the relationship between the artist and their audience is heavily affected as social media is, as of now, an everyday culture for a large population of people. As a newly discovered artist (it was a tiktok thing too lol), I'm very curious to see what is in store for our collective conscious and humanity as the development of technology and electronic art progresses. Thank you for this video xx

@cutsbycue 7 ай бұрын

great video but i was listening with headphones and it kept switching from one ear to both, idk if theres a way to fix that😅 just letting u know, still great :)

@Melo_ddy 7 ай бұрын

My left headphone don’t work thank you thought I was tripping😭😭

@mayowhishes 7 ай бұрын

Yes this, its only in the left!! i thought my headphones broke for a split sec xP

@sieshae 7 ай бұрын

i just read this comment literally 15 seconds after this happened for me LOL, i thought my right headphone just died or something

@FOHaab 7 ай бұрын

I kept putting my right earbud in the case and taking it out because I thought there was something wrong on my end 😂

@nyoon690 6 ай бұрын

I think it is an easy fix, but it'd have to be reuploaded

@popps33 7 ай бұрын

Working in the industry, There is Talent then there is Excellence. Talent is nice to have, but Excellence will separate you. Overall, the current field is having a moment of low standards. We will always have one-hit wonders and hype. And then.. the worse is the lack of development. Anderson Paak and Doja Cat are great example of putting into Excellence.

@belleyouuu2637 7 ай бұрын

I love tiktok and spotify because I can find smaller artists who are actually good. I stopped listening to music on the radio over a decade ago and just find good musicians online. If you're a lesser known musician , please keep making music, and please put yourself out there. People like me are actively discovering musicians like you. ❤

@Dolorez333 6 ай бұрын

SoundCloud is really good for smaller musicians too!!! I know a lot of people know SoundCloud for “SoundCloud rappers” but their really are others that are so underrated and unappreciated on there and some not even heard of!!!

@SJP43 7 ай бұрын

I feel everyone should get to experience a time when they were fanning over some less than talented artists. As a millennial we look back and laugh about it. We had Milli Vanilli, Nick Lachey, a host of pop, rock, hip hop artists that we are now laughing about liking back then. I believe it’s the fact that these artists make loads of money and are quite arrogant while being less talented that makes some people upset. Idk if we look back this isn’t a new occurrence, we’ve always had less than talented people sprinkled throughout.

@Blixtwixy 7 ай бұрын

It just irks me a little that Jojo's thing is dance, but the choreography for karma is kinda awful? The moves don't make sense to me at all, they're bizarre and to me as a viewer they seem basic and "easy", not impressive and not telling a story (at least, not one with any clarity, I don't see a story). So then it's like, ok, is Jojo's strength just gaming the audience without having actual skills? Idk

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

Thats true, she went a bit over the top with the dance. Maybe overcompensating for what she lacks as a singer.

@vivianlottering8091 7 ай бұрын

Jlo and Jojo should collab

@somewhatdiscrete 7 ай бұрын

this is an interesting topic! i disagree with the conclusion that this kind of distaste comes from an aversion to change, though I do think an aversion to change is an undercurrent for a lot of our behavior. I think that this phenomenon comes from the same place that the reaction to nepotism and industry plants does, which is to say that human beings in most if not all cultures love to believe that someone has “earned” what they have. record labels spend thousands on crafting these home grown images for artists and many artists obfuscate or lie about their history to downplay their privileges that aided them in their success. strife and struggle are maybe the largest draw to rooting for artists on shows like american idol. even the reaction to artists not writing their own music is a reflection of this same idea. people want to see that an artist either sacrificed for, struggled for, or possess an innate gift for their claim to notoriety. we are awed by talent and moved by effort. if there is a perception of both lack of talent and lack of effort, there is a feeling of failure to earn success and I think that naturally creates an atmosphere of dissatisfaction. in a broader sense I think this speaks to the human spirit of perseverance. rather than the idea that someone’s success is a product of luck of circumstances, we prefer to think that they earned what they have and thus what they have can be replicated through earnest efforts. algorithmic success is difficult to quantify or explain, so virality often resonates more as luck than effort, especially when there’s a decided lack of talent. lastly I think the idea of what it means to earn is probably changing. marketing yourself via social media wasn’t a thing before so it’s not really considered a talent in the same way that singing is, but I do think that idea is changing. I don’t know if it can ever be considered a substitute for talent for the actual thing you’re trying to do (no one thinks a marketing manager is the “talent” of an artist who can sing, so I dont necessarily think being good at marketing yourself will be enough for people to consider your artistry authentic,) but I do think that the idea of being good at social media will itself become a more well received skill as time goes on. anyway great video!! it gave me a lot to think about!

@alexandraaddi 7 ай бұрын

girl, this video wasn’t in my subscriptions?? sick bc i would’ve missed this if it wasn’t recommended anyway

@Omniryu 7 ай бұрын

It's been going on for a while now. But back in the day, they at least had to be able to do SOMETHING. A pretty, marketable face, that can also sing, was the golden ticket. The difference NOW, is they forgot how to do it. They at least had to grow organically. The problem with Ice Spice, is she came out of nowhere and was everywhere, as if there was some time skip we all jumped through. Every few years, there'll be somebody that a music label wants to push, because they think they'll be marketable and make money. Plenty of rock bands that didn't write their own music. Half of RnB singers didn't write either. Same for rappers.

@juxemz3388 7 ай бұрын

Addison rae is a perfect ezample of this

@midnightsyonara 7 ай бұрын

Always love your takes! 🎙🌸

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

Thank youuu 🌸

@amethystdream8251 7 ай бұрын

Untalented artists don't provoke jealousy as much, for a high enough number of ppl for it to matter apparently 🤦🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

@MakaykayLAMB 7 ай бұрын

Is there a headband in your locs? I love this style and I’d love to try and do it on my micro locs.

@FormerlyKnown1 7 ай бұрын

Anybody else have audio issues?

@Bekind94 6 ай бұрын

As a musician and studio singer for years- music makes my heart hurt now

@BeautyAnarchist 7 ай бұрын

I would like to make a case for people having to grow into their talent in front of the public because they don't have the resources to prepare to be this polished and developed talent and also people realizing they want to dive into a another part of the entertainment industry that they could potentially be good at and building the confidence to actually pursue that full-time like Jojo could actually work her way up like not every singer is great at first and need more polishing so that they can shine like there's so much judgement online from people who want to feel superior to her cuz they are advanced in singing or who think they're a better judge of talent which I think is ridiculous.

@catiecate3735 7 ай бұрын

Love the Mark Redito opening btw. Such an underrated artist

@wonderfullyjay3490 6 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s that ppl don’t like change. I think it’s the commodification of everything. MJ, Chris, and Usher loved doing what they do and then made millions and now it’s kinda the other way around. Ppl want to make money so they leverage what they can on social media to do it. That doesn’t mean they can’t grow to love it but that was not what started them on the path. That can be felt by ppl so I think it’s more of that than change

@jade3866 7 ай бұрын

i feel like producers are outshining the singers now. those who mix and make the beats are incredible imo and bland artists rely on these ppl because they bring nothing to the songs themselves

@isisw1999 7 ай бұрын

Your videos are always so eloquently put together! Commenting for engagement ❤

@tinysey 7 ай бұрын

Thank you 🌸🥲

@isisw1999 7 ай бұрын

@@tinysey You're so welcome❤️❤️I love your content and wish you much success!🙌🏽

@adamhernandez7626 7 ай бұрын

Good video but PLEASE fix your mic. When listening on earbuds, your voice only comes in through the left ears. Then when you cut to new clips it sometimes comes back in the right ear. It’s super jarring and distracting

@aimyshere 7 ай бұрын

This is so hard to listen to on headphones… the sound bounces from one ear to the other 😢

@monicasels8354 6 ай бұрын

Same with Tyla, don't get me wrong she is a beautiful, bubbly woman but she had 1 viral song "Water" and now all of a sudden she is winning grammy's over other artist who I personally think are more talented and have been working longer and harder in the industry, all her comments under songs mostly talk ab her looks rather then her actual talent. She is very talented but I feel like all of her songs lowkey sound the same, and seems a bit similair to the rise of ice spice but no one wants to talk about it:/

@kimnoir 5 ай бұрын

They shouldn't need to be talented but they should be skilled or improve if they're bad (without being in the spotlight).

@johnericzabala262 6 ай бұрын

so it WAS in YOUR video that managed the output of your audio. I thought my earphones broke.

@mariam.fadeyi 7 ай бұрын

someone who utilises social media and follows the traditional way is laufey

@Dolorez333 6 ай бұрын

Hating on people they’re “TikTok Famous” isn’t going to help them grow any further into their career like I understand with Ice Spice that she got famous fast and when it comes to things like stage presence it’s understandable why she may not be the best at it currently. I have mixed feelings about her music but again hating on people like her isn’t going to teach them anything and if it does then it’s not going to be healthy

@afairyonacid 7 ай бұрын

Every sound is valid but virality and success still aren't musical talent and gimicks can't replace a good artistic foundation. Besides "talent" is just working your ass off at your craft, someone can go viral and be actually talented, those are not mutually exclusive.

@KL-yg3ii 6 ай бұрын

Short answer: Yes, they are getting less talented and more vapid.

@AnneLives81 6 ай бұрын

I don't think it's because of "fear of change." I think people get upset by people like Jojo because you see so many people with amazing vocal talent who can't even get half as far as her and the industry is a hundred percent behind her. It's not just that she's a bad singer, and she is a terrible singer, she also doesn't really seem to respect the craft. I could get behind someone who may not be a strong singer, but they are actually creating their own music, but she doesn't do any of that, which makes me wonder why she wants to be a singer in the first place. She wants all the accolades of being a singer without putting in real effort towards that. And her acknowledging she's a bad singer is annoying, because at that point it just comes off as a vanity project. She just wants her Miley Cyrus moment, only Cyrus has actual talent as a singer. Using social media to help you get ahead and noticed is a great tool and I don't think people are upset about that, especially if you have the talent to back it up. Jojo doesn't have talent as a singer and she went on an interview tour literally overhyping her creativity on this project. She also doesn't seem to understand or know who her target audience is. I think most people that hate on Lil Nas X is more because he's an unapologetic openly gay man in a music scene that is homophobic. He's great at social media campaigns, but he's also actually talented in the artform he's making. If he wasn't gay, I don't think he'd get near the amount of backlash he gets. It's weird he's in the same video as Jojo. I don't know anything about Ice Spice so can't really evaluate if it's fair she's along Jojo too.

@MakaykayLAMB 7 ай бұрын

This is going to sound rude but I can fully see how she ruptured a vocal cord. She’s screaming. I sang all throughout my childhood and went to performing arts schools and never ruptured a vocal cord.

@ojay6675 7 ай бұрын

audio is panned to left

@thisislenard 7 ай бұрын

guys please who is listening to JoJo, like we need to do better as a society 😭

@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon 7 ай бұрын

Interesting

@arissimic9046 7 ай бұрын

Your microphone is killing me

@apriltopaz6312 7 ай бұрын

It feels weird hearing you call them artists

@whowaitwhat8930 7 ай бұрын

Don’t need to be talented to make music. Don’t need talent to make KZbin videos giving your opinion, either. That’s just how the world works now.