Men's Rights vs Feminism: Is Toxic Masculinity Real? | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

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[@DreamlandRoses]

I think having an Incel to represent Men's rights activism, isn't exactly the best thing.

[@ms.flowers1049]

Jubilee pathetic

[@superskullmaster]

Jubilee having that incel on was a mistake. That kind of man is an issue. The other 2 however have a good grip on men’s rights but you should also have had a black man on there because there are men’s rights issues in the black community that should have been brought to the light.

[@agentpiggles6685]

when one of the feminist said she would laugh at mens rights thats honestly disgusting that just shows how toxic feminism is

[@jomaldotco]

You literallly picked men that knows nothing

[@NexusKing1]

There's 3 groups in this discussion 1. Men Rights 2. Feminists 3. Derrick

[@ranyl7744]

I see one group. Uneducated people.

[@jirenthegrey3782]

@@ranyl7744 true I wasted 10 mins of my precious life in this

[@dub814]

No Admiral Ackbar, It's a trap!

[@jackisawesome3]

Derrick just came right out with that degree in incel, jesus.

[@rayensabandar8392]

Well, I understand where Derrick is coming from. I mean, he said that he was very traditional and if we were really talking about the old times like when men would really try everything to get a women. They would go and buy them flowers, they would pay the meal on their date, they would compete with other men because they really do like that woman, they would always be there for the woman, they won't cheat on their wife and kids. They would really be their guards (wife and kids) if there was a burglar entering the house or they met a mugger on the street, men would go and work for their family and the women would stay and raise their kids until they grow up. But now, men doesn't compete and give the best that they can to women, some would just rather catcall the women and force the woman to like them and go home with them. That's not toxic masculinity, those men doesn't have any type of masculinity in them. We cannot go and say that those men are masculine. Derrick just wants men to be what they used to be, a caring and protective people that they should be

[@a.a9021]

This comment section taught us: it's not Men vs Women, it's Men and Women vs Derrick

[@sarahh5604]

😂

[@behising5193]

They all agreed that men and woman should be working together, as shown here we totally can, but i think a big problem is that they are trying to change one side of the medal without touching it all(maby a bad excample?) because both sides got problems and both sides got advantages, so its just them flipping the coin all the time instead of bringing it together like some human rights movement? Thats at least what I see from this video its just them telling each other both sides got their issues to deal with, like anyone who ever wasin a relationship for mor than a month knows(explains Derricks standpoint :P). Comming from a man dunno how that helps but thats my thought on it.

[@tarrinawatson7933]

I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I’m going to guess Derrick is the guy in the yellow. Edit: Yehp, that’s definitely him.

[@christinedrummond4040]

I cringed at a lot of what he was saying, but also when Kursat kept insisting men was a class. Oof.

[@Deeedayy]

Christine Drummond ok buddy, they both were actually making valid points and shutting down a lot of the feminists invalid points. But as a woman you probably instinctively side with the other women and blindly disagree with the other sides points just because they are not women.

[@missinglegs]

Watching a discussion that you're not able to take part in is the most frustrating thing ever...

[@claudiabenedito2928]

i wanted to shout at my screen so many times

[@Ashutok]

Same

[@Zammorack420]

Great way to practice listening, but I agree!!!

[@eagle3676]

@pawtatuh e3e Some of the women were annoying as well. I don't need you to protect me. Why scream that? The guy was making a very different point

[@1memeyboi246]

@@eagle3676 big brain jk I agree with you

[@ech.es33]

sometimes you can judge a book by its cover. the guy in yellow is proof of it.

[@camaraman645]

i already thought he was going to be a piece of sheet, the rest on two men seems pretty resonable and actually debates.

[@ineedagaybf34_35]

This is so fr

[@rubenkulikyan3283]

I dont care bout deric but the woman completly failed on 16:30

[@Kerry-dw3ox]

​@@rubenkulikyan3283sorry some people don't have a photographic memory

[@kaihope6]

I could smell incel as soon as I saw him 😭

[@stoopidgoober]

There's feminists, there's male activists, and then theres derrick.

[@evilhagwannabe1820]

And no one likes Derrick

[@ahumanistpotato]

No this is Patrick

[@gabi-jl7le]

Ah yes, the three genders

[@sehe3786]

Fr😭

[@thehogcog553]

Why does everyone hate Derek

[@jeanageertgens6723]

I feel like they should've found a girl who went along with men's rights or a man who was a feminist

[@mijangos.4818]

Men can’t be feminists, sweetie

[@jacobsteinberg7702]

Ari Mijangos Ruiz I’m a man who considers myself a feminist lol

[@jacobsteinberg7702]

Bengiamino feminists don’t hate men you toad

[@sofam9645]

Ari Mijangos Ruiz literally not true. Feminism means the belief that men and women are equal. The large majority of men believe that too. Men can and should be feminists.

[@alexisreyes8111]

Jeana Geertgens they hav another video similar to this one where they do!

[@novalidavenport1994]

Every time Derek said the words “even women”, the camera did an Office style pan over people’s faces because they are grossed out

[@cyborgninja5489]

It's because the left is the master of optics. They present "their truth" instead of an objective reality.

[@dylanmiller1140]

American Son yah nothing is wrong wi he presenting your opinion as you are doing here. Yes people with beliefs will present opinions that’s not a conspiracy theory. If you made this video it would have a heavy right slant, and that’s ok.

[@simonjaz1279]

@Jason Tang yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men

[@cyborgninja5489]

Jason Tang Preach!

[@DemonsCrest1]

​@@simonjaz1279 *yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men* When feminists say they want "gender equality" they want "equal outcomes" (achieved by treating the sexes unequally). MRAs want "equal treatment" and believe that since women and men are equal, both sexes should be treated the same.

[@ButWhySeventeen]

I'm going to be honest I would have refused to shake Derrick's hand regardless of which side I was on

[@thestvr]

You're so real for saying thattt

[@Jugando_a_enamorar]

Omg tru

[@Conceptsofaplan88]

Same. He looks like a chronic master debater.

[@SunIsLost]

Yep

[@supermario69kraftgami23]

What was wrong with Derrick?

[@torchybeacon245]

25% of the comments: random stuff 75% of comments: everyone vs derrick

[@shafqatishan437]

Including yours

[@3HeadedGOAT311]

Derrick: *Speaks* Both rights movements: No

[@uwudemon8631]

@@3HeadedGOAT311 as it should.

[@redfatseal2407]

@@uwudemon8631 derrick is that one 3rd party that pisses off both sides

[@scholliski]

Men’s rights vs feminism vs Derrick You decide.

[@wolframeickerestinpeace2562]

I don't get what people hate about Derrick.

[@maybethisismarq]

Wolfram Eicke Rest in peace he’s sexist

[@bustin9938]

@@wolframeickerestinpeace2562 being an incel is not involentary you do it to yourself

[@sotired2245]

SCREW EM ALL. Except for non sjw feminism, then I'm with them, but currently in this video, f*** all of them.wait no my bad only Derrick and two of the feminists are tawxic. One of the feminists that I have called toxic arent all that bad. MAINLY SCREW DERRICK.

[@bestbread3446]

Which one is derrick

[@jermmar2076]

2 men’s activists and a discord moderator Vs. 3 feminists

[@leoyasiuta1903]

LMAO

[@lukewhitsell942]

Lol true

[@zaydismail88]

AAAAAAAAHAHAHA

[@weet6366]

Ahahahahhaaa

[@peytonredacted6161]

I feel like he is more of a reddit mod for some porn sub more than he is like a discoed mod

[@ythunter4288]

The men's side was very understanding and the women's side as well. Then, you have Derrick.

[@nevergiveupbaby1720]

Mens side a bunch of sexists

[@aaraiznadeem1321]

" you came in with your little research" thats what you call understanding lol

[@alexa7437]

“Why do you need a whole men’s rights movement?” That doesn’t sound very understanding

[@엄복순-i6n]

@@alexa7437but why do you?

[@alexa7437]

@@엄복순-i6n watch the video and listen to what Kursat actually said and you’ll understand.

[@maddybraps100]

i think the middle ground for feminists and mens rights activists is that we dont like derrick LMAO

[@jellym3735]

YES WE CAN AGREE ON THIS

[@starstruck6162]

I didn't really like Derrick, there was just something about him that pissed me off.

[@jellym3735]

@@starstruck6162 yea he made no sense

[@Geck_Gxng]

@@starstruck6162 actually nvm he would probably turn the whole therapy center insane

[@FrostyPlayzYT]

I was your 1000th like CONGRATS EYY

[@ngweso]

Y’all know those women held back a lot of words for Derrick

[@98ilovemonkeys]

Joy their faces say it all

[@shumob4901]

@@M4RZ1Z I like watching Naruto

[@shumob4901]

@Lea Sford you like Naruto

[@Mike_A1114]

Now I’m not a feminist, but I was hopin one of em would explode on him 😂

[@paralyzerzeta4305]

@Lea Sford If your hope is realized then you yourself have lost this discussion.

[@sw3at890]

Derrick is that one student that didn’t research for his group presentation

[@PresbianTier]

Kursat is the only one who researched lol

[@Brin-en8bl]

I think only two of the feminists did actual research. Some of the stuff the men’s rights guys said was not true even though they said it so confidently. Sometimes they were even fact checked.

[@PresbianTier]

@@Brin-en8bl who was fact checked in this episode?

[@Brin-en8bl]

@@PresbianTier all of them were but the guys were sometimes proven wrong

[@Mr10before9]

​@Brin-en8blthe literal only fact check that took place the entire episode was Kursat on the wage gap being debunked multiple times over multiple decades. Amazing that some still try to throw that out there as though it won't be challenged and immediately disproven to be a factor at all.

[@sofia-pq2jn]

derrick looks like he screams at his mom if she forgets mustard in his sandwich

[@Disci-pain]

Assumptions are dangerous things

[@ganjalfcreamcorn8438]

@@Disci-pain so is derrick if he doesnt get his mustard.

[@Danyphantomsimp]

@@ganjalfcreamcorn8438LMFAO I AM DEAD

[@MaddieJane-hs9en]

FRR

[@Jcat-ze4lf]

@@ganjalfcreamcorn8438YOU’RE AMAZING.

[@HIThitech]

What I expected to see in the comments: *People arguing about rights* What there is: *People hating on Derrick*

[@oddlynot6653]

David Hernandez Eh, I don’t blame em. Some people are just not the likable type *cough* Derick.

[@tusharchandra4276]

I think both Derrick and Mimi need to check their attitudes. All the other four were people who you would like to have a conversation with, especially Bea and Zach. But Derrick's idiocy and Mimi's blind faith put them on the top of my 'Stay away from' list

[@kaiajackson8538]

Ikr I love it 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

[@SDLXVI]

Derrick isnt that bad

[@moniielka2458]

@@SDLXVI said no one Ever... 😂

[@quintinnelson9364]

2 men's rights activists and 3 feminists + Derrick

[@yeehaw8835]

Derrick is his own species

[@sowbi3866]

@@yeehaw8835 xD

[@sowbi3866]

@Zackyboi Sharp xD

[@avasava7720]

derrick is for sure a feminist no doubt about it

[@gracejohnson2357]

Average Mo of course they were triggered and emotional from my POV they didn’t lash out or be near to tears but they did it in a calm way. How else are you supposed to have this discussion or any discussion of any topic at that without having some type of reaction. As long as we find a common ground or end goal without having one side having more power then we’ll finally be set.

[@AaronMatthews]

question: men=women? derrick: hmmmm, child...

[@dragonsquirrel7663]

Derrick is my father figure

[@nf6075]

Erin : tHat’S nOt vEgAn

[@DeeznutztheOG]

This is hard to comment on because I think many people have seen women act childish and it’s more socially acceptable because society has in the last 100 of years treated women as a commodity to be locked away, wed off to produce kids and stay at home without as much responsibility as men who overall had to protect family from threats, deal with decision making, providing income. This is controversial statement and it is definitely seen with some women who don’t want to take responsibility and grow up but it’s also a problem society has created and some people want to protect this traditional outlook but then complain about it later. Now we’re in a time period where women don’t need protection, can have equal education opportunities and can work and do jobs that men mainly dealt with and it’s amazing and a lot more easier for both sexes to deal with tackle together. I hope people can understand that and hopefully Derrick if he’s looking through these comments.

[@Roan.bot.]

Cheeze berries I do agree. If you need the whole world to clear the way an change for you to be comfortable then you have a little bit in common with a child.

[@ma2443]

@@DeeznutztheOG same here, some people just act like we're not men enough and im very sure you mustve heard that saying too, i dont think its generally targetted against a specific gender though more or less just childish people acting childish

[@Aiibh]

I can't believe "Men and woman are different but equal" is an actual prompt. Like that is BASIC humanity 😭😭.

[@Honeydewcrisp]

Exactly. Asian guy’s definition makes no sense. “Im not saying one is superior” that is the definition of inequality.

[@Sekoishere]

@@Honeydewcrispso are you ignorant or defiant because you completely missed what he said he said there not equal is in what there suited for but equal as humans but fundamentally they do different thing but still make up that even 50%

[@eggchomp]

@@SekoishereWhy do you think the phrasing of the question was “different but equal”? It already accounted for those differences

[@Viewable11]

You are not aware that the words "different" and "equal" are mutually exclusive because they mean the exact opposite. George Orwell introduced this way of abusing language in his novel "1984". Orwell named it "Doublethink": to simultaneously hold to mutually exclusive opinions on a topic. shaping these thought into words builds "Doublespeak", e.g. "war is peace".

[@Honeydewcrisp]

@@Viewable11 i figure what they meant more accurately would be equity. Men and women are both needed in society, we cannot live without the other. They are needed in different things and are therefore equal in that sense

[@jellythejellyfish7035]

I saw everyone talking bout how they hate Derrick and I was like who's Derrick, then I saw the men walk in and it was all clear.

[@filmsbysarah596]

Jelly the jellyfish ikr lol 😂

[@ethanpurple3872]

Same😂

[@diadiaa892]

oh he's most likely saying that bc after a female heard the words coming out of his mouth, they made the right decision and waled away.

[@alice-vg2kh]

Bro same. I skipped to the middle and I was expecting to be confused trying to find out who's Derrick, but I knew it the moment I saw him

[@annyaw6233]

Jelly the jellyfish LITEEALLY

[@eliza243]

The disappointment on the women’s faces when Derrick talks...

[@lemoncardboard3270]

And the men’s tbh...

[@joaopedroflausinodelima9147]

everyone looks disappointed when derrick talks hahahah

[@directioner4859]

@@joaopedroflausinodelima9147 ikr

[@hehetmonenthusiast]

Yep

[@intoxicated5321]

The disappointment on everyones face when derrick talks

[@muskaart1136]

Derrick digs himself into a deeper hole with everything he says

[@ihatethisusernameupdate]

Yup. He seemed to realize that too, but a little too late.

[@SabatSch95]

Derrick isn't even remotely representative of what the MRM wants. In fact, a part from Kursat I don't think any of them were MRAs. Zach is more of a conservative who's worried about men's role in society. He's clearly religious and seems motivated by this. "Real" MRAs though actually oppose all manners of gender roles across the board. They have zero interest in "going back to the past" and actually agree with feminists when it comes to equal treatment regardless of sex. I'm not an MRA myself but I have read a lot of their literature and it's really disappointing to see how they weren't represented in this video AT ALL. Derrick especially is a sad troll who'll give the MRM an even worse reputation than they already have.

[@mikaelatagaylo8765]

@@SabatSch95 This is actually a good insight. Thanks for this. It would have been cool to hear more of what MRA actually stands for because from the video it seemed like the three men didn't really have a solid ground of what they would define as MRA --so it was difficult to understand their side especially the incel hahahaha.

[@SabatSch95]

@@mikaelatagaylo8765 Those interviews are called the "raw files" btw.

[@SelphieFairy]

@@mikaelatagaylo8765 IMO that's probably because MRA is heavily based in being reactionary toward feminism. It's not about men, but about fighting against feminism.

[@allierennie1248]

“I don’t need you to protect me. I just need you to not harm me.” Winner

[@smayansrivastava12s32]

Lazy fantasy

[@basichumanrights.]

@@smayansrivastava12s32why so?

[@smayansrivastava12s32]

@@basichumanrights. because we live in reality not a lala land. And the reality sucks

[@basichumanrights.]

@@smayansrivastava12s32 okay? So it’s better to spread what they want, some people actually need to hear this and some won’t listen and some will 😐

[@smayansrivastava12s32]

@@basichumanrights. ok

[@ellis4306]

20% of the comments: *opinions on the topic* 80% of the comments: Derrick

[@genericname2165]

I mean,, Derrick is kind of a big deal

[@milfslayer2195]

he is the video

[@akilbrazier1421]

Exactly lol it’s annoying af when you’re scrolling through the comments trying to find meaningful conversations on the topic trying to see people’s opinions and even learn something, and all you see are comments about Derrick.

[@romang.8022]

lol, not even 80%💀💀

[@katied9206]

@@akilbrazier1421 He is annoying

[@jmakemson]

Somebody needs to tell Derrick that "Heath Ledger's Joker" is not a valid personality.

[@t.h.mcelroy6597]

*ded* 🤣

[@supposedlyaperson2168]

Lmaooooo, you put it into words

[@DemonsCrest1]

@@supposedlyaperson2168 _"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win” originated with Mahatma Gandhi_

[@eliscola9492]

This is the best comment I’ve ever seen

[@Cnftti]

@@DemonsCrest1 I haven't seen any fighting going on, the whole point is to avoid that

[@Adriana-ri7of]

I would have LOVED to see a feminist man and a men's rights woman.

[@nayrtnartsipacify]

Totally agree.

[@yuanfensky]

that’s exactly what i was thinking tho

[@howdoesitwork2966]

Ngl me to

[@melinacaceres2630]

same.

[@jessicaazar353]

Mee too 100%

[@vamp3heart176]

Derrick literally explained toxic masculinity 😭

[@STIMULATION_NEEDED]

Could we get a timestamp?

[@Apexwingman]

@@STIMULATION_NEEDEDthey mean that he is the definition of it, by his actions

[@STIMULATION_NEEDED]

@@Apexwingman I just need a timestamp because of how much he is toxic masculinity.

[@ashie3815]

​@@STIMULATION_NEEDEDliterally every time he opened his mouth. you don't even need a timestamp

[@nicknameyu3588]

I genuinely don't understand why Derrick wants a patriarchal world. He won't be considered as a 'real man' in that world, and those 'real man' could just bully him and won't be condemned.

[@calthekonqueror312]

The only reason he's even there is to give feminists a way to use the "strawman argument"

[@MrAlepedroza]

@@calthekonqueror312 Pretty much. I still can't get who had the great idea of inviting an incel like him to such a discussion. It only handicapped the men's side of the debate, making them look worse. Ayesha, on the other hand, at least looks a bit more sympathetic even despite me not agreeing with her points.

[@rexisnox]

I know he looks like your standard capital g gamer and yes i play video games but i dont identify as a gamer.

[@antares6998]

He was an absolute child.

[@calthekonqueror312]

@@Plaky He does not even remotely represent anyone I ever met in person, guess I'm lucky. He is definitely an incel but that does not represent mra. They fight against "injustices" against men. Feminists fight against "injustices" against women. I try to look at things fairly and call out bias when I see it either way. In this case I feel that Derrick is a misrepresentation of their movement meant to make them look bad.

[@gru6nge]

The comment section: Feminism: 0% Men's Actvist: 0% Derick: 100%

[@lennox8972]

I’m your 100 likes

[@rjrg7952]

Well like a solid 20% was feminism

[@goofy2126]

Agree, Derrick ROCKS !!!! LOL

[@shawn_1120]

Technically since you commented you are added as the small percentage that said "The comment section: Feminism: 0% Men's Activist: 0% Derick: 100%"

[@zenfy5814]

@@shawn_1120 0.00837%

[@darkone6189]

You can see the frust on everyone's face when derrick speaks , like not only from the feminist side but from the MA side too , they are like "why gotta open you mouth"

[@darkone6189]

@Angry Egalitarian facts

[@umamifan]

derrick just committed suicide because of all the hate he got... rip

[@sdbzfan1]

@@umamifan is there an article for that I wanna see

[@khaledbayado6983]

@@umamifan wait fr??

[@somnosultanate4314]

@@umamifan hopefully thats true

[@acethefiredragon8525]

Derrick is definitely a discord mod. He acts, talks and looks like one. Honestly.

[@hasnainashraf2600]

The video title should be: "Men's Rights vs Feminism vs Derrick: Is Toxic Masculinity Real?"

[@hatem7678]

اصص يا طعمية

[@emilysanchez499]

If they don’t edit this I’m gonna be pissed💀

[@fright747]

Honestly

[@kalciumsthename]

@Liam Tate Not really the words I would pick, but like the whole 'I'm not like other girls' are sorta related to that.

[@kalciumsthename]

@Swaggerdagger more like "Men remain deaf to all the woman's arguments and remain ignorant"

[@katharrington1220]

the other guys were probably like “godamn derrick quit making us look bad”

[@draculemihawk7945]

So true 😂

[@HarrisChoudhry]

I know I was

[@alenkavenx2056]

Though they didnt need help either

[@ayofrtho7014]

Well they clearly didn't tell him anything to stop him... actions speak louder than words, my friend.

[@aaronblaine3251]

Bored Bored bored Well the thing was it was a discussion to allow everyone to share their opinions. Like they said they all have different perspectives, yet they fall under the same vague umbrella of Men’s Rights. And the other two should not be judged based on his comments, they are completely different people with completely yet somewhat similar perspectives.

[@MA-dl4iu]

Better title: men's rights vs feminism vs Derrick

[@hannahshearn9002]

YES.

[@t.w0994]

Ikr!!!

[@_R_R_R]

*D E R R I C K*

[@uwu-ps3qb]

Everyones rights vs Derrick

[@jerodwolford2743]

Derrick didn't know how to express what he was thinking. I do understand where he's coming from because I wouldnt necessarily say I'm opposed to what he's saying. I do believe he's beliefs are men were built to protect the young and protect the mother. Thats just how our brains are wired. And it is because of other men who harm women that we do that. I think he's trying to say is he's in favor of that perfect family from an 80s or 90s sitcom but with the ground that women have gained through voting rights and equal pay and all of that stuff. He said he was an Incell, in other words he doesn't talk much so he doesn't exactly know how to talk. When he told the other guy to talk before him at the end it wasn't because he was frustrated or anything like that or spite women, he just didn't know how to convey his thoughts into words so that he doesn't immediately hang himself. The tension was very high so I do feel some sympathy for him. Also kinda same about girls can really just find a guy with the snap of a finger. Every girl I've met is talking to at least 3 different guys. Not all are romantic interests but there are definitely more single men than there are women. In my community at least.

[@Jamestron]

Bro Derrick should never be allowed to go near a woman

[@spiritvlogz6090]

He clearly doesn’t want to

[@Do27gg]

Pretty telling that they chose to get a mental case like Derrick but not an equivalent for the women’s side

[@warlocksunited2e580]

​@@Do27gg well tbf alesha on the womens side is pretty mental, so many of her takes in this are massivly uninformed and based on what she thinks is true about men rather than any actual fact

[@bensongathua5548]

Thats just your opinion bro.

[@Luke-qj5jn]

I died lmao!!!

[@andrewdevine2369]

Derrick shouldn't have been there, all he did was push the conversation back about 10 steps every time he opened his mouth

[@americanfreedom8517]

and that's the point. what bode lang's video Faking Authority, Destroying Merit

[@swoods8015]

Couldn't have put it better myself

[@gkjkghsgfgfga5209]

Thats why im glad he was there lmfao

[@josephforesta1276]

i haven’t seen a single comment that wasn’t about derrick

[@eliesh3833]

Including yours, ironically enough.

[@angelwashere4259]

I have

[@angelwashere4259]

But was hard to find

[@parkerasel8129]

@@angelwashere4259 hi chrollo want to have dinner and discuss Hisoka?

[@notevenhuman8141]

Check my comment. Derrick does suck but videos like this beed to have comment sections about the bigger picture

[@doogallas]

When Derrick says he's studied something - it means he's been on google and youtube for a few hours.

[@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672]

you mean on r/incel

[@DiscAgent]

this is a horrible joke i almost killed my self

[@alishashashasha6909]

@@DiscAgent Derrick is that you?

[@hiccup7376]

@Reaganomics •101 damn I played myself by replying to a troller bot.

[@StayPositiveLLC]

Hey you guys, it’s real. There really is a sisterhood of women who are against men. Feminism is their disguise, look into “Lady Ishtar”- The goddess of war and love. The love she gives is used against you.

[@DrBoX89]

I think this is a really important discussion to have. Bridging this gap is important. Being a traditionalist, I will always acknowledge that many women have experienced terrible things. Some at the hands of men. I feel for them and will always validate those experiences. Using blanket statements like men’s response to feminist idealogy (albeit certain aspects) is angry or toxic is not the way forward. We must ALL listen to each other to truly find the middle ground.

[@mylesthegoat9380]

Derick: finding a girl is hard Also derick: why would I be friends with a woman?

[@racheldixon5528]

Mylesthe Goat Ikr it’s just logic

[@hannah-7525]

Women and men cannot be just friends. It is against nature

[@autumnperez6232]

@@hannah-7525 Um, what? As a woman have no problem being friends with a man. Although for a man, it’s difficult for them to have a friendship with a woman.

[@hannah-7525]

@@autumnperez6232 men and women cannot be friends because they are opposites. It usually ends up being something sexual/romantic. If not, you’re not actually “friends” you’re more acquaintances.

[@ougintoga7195]

@@hannah-7525 lol no

[@mangomonet2464]

The way the women are looking at derick when he’s talking is killing me

[@aniceperson1910]

Same lmaooo

[@gglovesgorillazmj7784]

SAMEEE THEY BE LIKE: 👁👄👁

[@ruby-cc4ds]

~ ~ 👁👄👁

[@naimah6058]

RIGHT AGKSJDKD

[@UnknownUser-cn3rv]

That's what happens when you are raised without a father.

[@bestietay5087]

I can feel the other men saying in their heads “Derrick you’re making us look bad stfu.”

[@mirora2212]

Yeah

[@totorodud]

nope

[@mrmoon6831]

Honestly the other guys were alright and have pretty decent points and then derrick is just there practically saying women are just here for sex and babies 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

[@theworldofnea8337]

exactly and he's on another video called im an lncel... but like the other guys were alright... well zach is probably the only one that didn't sound a little ehh at one point he didn't laugh at any of the woman of act as if it's incorrect, or they were sounding ignorant..

[@shelbymckinney2606]

I feel like he should have been there that way the other 2 men can see exactly what kind of men the women in the room have to protect themselves from.

[@FernandoPerez-uq6rl]

I resonated with a lot of things from both sides. people often forget that we need each other and need to seek to understand each other

[@RisumiesEdits]

What I still fail to understand is why women say wage gaps exist despite it being debunked thousands of times, because IF wage gaps existed, the corporations/companies would ONLY hire women because they wouldn't be paid as much, so the companies expenses would significantly decrease.

[@IBlack-ep1zz]

​@@RisumiesEditsthey are looking for an argument

[@Phishfood-fg7sv]

Women go through alot and movements are warranted, but feminist movements would rather isolate and speak down to men and give them rules, rather than inviting them in to join.

[@claudiapuha4682]

This is how every question ends up: They have a civilized conversation, Derrek speaks, and then it becomes chaos.

[@sulfur_americium2993]

I really wanna like your comment but it’s at 69.

[@BrysonConroy]

@@sulfur_americium2993 u can like now lol

[@count7340]

Not chaos ... Syndrome!!

[@sterbenkayasy9795]

like number 609

[@AHRandolph]

Derrek speaks and then I wonder why he is even allowed in the conversation

[@lane_kraft05]

This isn’t Men’s Right vs. Feminism It’s Men’s Rights vs. Feminism vs. Derrick

[@veryrealdrdog]

Actually this is Everyone vs Derrick

[@Cinematif]

@@veryrealdrdog who is derren

[@Cinematif]

I mean derrick

[@veryrealdrdog]

@@Cinematif The incel with the yellow sweater.

[@TheM.F.]

It’s two educated young men and a confused virgin vs feminism

[@casec892]

Derrick referring himself as an incel in his introduction told me everything I needed to know about him right away

[@terrabiker]

the way he thinks and speaks and looks , no he's not incel , he harvest the fruit of his own actions. He's being punished , and I must say rightfully so. These kind of idiots shouldn't be allowed to breed.

[@haileymoehlmann9198]

@Meat Pole people who self identify as incels typically come from a place of having bad experiences with women that cause them to polarize themselves against women as a whole. I'm not sure if you're familiar with TERFs but it's like the male equivalent of that. Some talking points revolve around feeling as though women only chase "Chads" which is the idea of a perfect handsome man, the idea that all women are manipulative and/or gold diggers, and that their personal issues with developing relationships with women are the result of problems such as these. Hope that helps

[@christykambu9355]

I like how as soon as yellow jacket spoke everyone immediately knew what type of person he was and his vibe

[@sarahjade2320]

there was really a three-way conversation: feminists mens rights activists derrick

[@waterantonio1038]

lol, ur comment is right under the one u copied

[@freemandouglas1]

Sarah Jade fr

[@salesm4ne]

Bruh, copied

[@preezypatel]

There’s always a Derrick

[@caspoki]

Period

[@svetxo]

oh God, the way Derrick looks at those women and says things with a sarcastic undertone like 100% of sure I CAN'T

[@dragonfly56flyswatter97]

So true It was Cringe hearing him say all that face to face with a Feminist saying that online with a comment is a Different statement

[@sheeshdhhshd1980]

He’s embarrassing like when he laughed when they stepped up on the first question. Also of course he had to look like that.

[@taterman0247]

The two guys on the sides of Derrick are just like: crap, this dude is ruining our whole argument

[@user-gb2ol2cp1n]

Taterman 02 who is Derrick

[@imnotaweebyounormie547]

@@user-gb2ol2cp1n The incel... the one with the fricking yellow jacket lol

[@memwaandic5039]

@Julius Songling haha Wow. Should put that in quotation. Maybe the lady on the left would have been better choice of words... but then again. You chose it... =[

[@memwaandic5039]

@@imnotaweebyounormie547 Haha... yeah

[@user-gb2ol2cp1n]

I'm Not A Weeb You Normie ok

[@theycallmesunshine]

"i don't need you to protect me, i need you not to hurt me." well said

[@saltysloth6814]

can’t get over how done the three women look every time Derrick talks

[@kjobful]

Because women are attracted to men with more testosterone which is why the Asian guy is getting his point across more without interruptions. Women and men treat the more attractive people better. Derrick makes many valid points but the women don’t like him being the one to bring them up. Lol

[@kumozumo]

kjobful why are you comparing a debate to... attraction? like it literally doesn’t have anything to do. Btw a lot, and when i say a lot i mean a LOT of women are attracted to women so like, your point?

[@saltysloth6814]

kjobful pretty sure Bea was pretty open to what Derrick was saying... the only reason you can tell they don’t like what he’s saying is not because of his looks, but because he literally stated that he doesn’t believe men and women should be equal... how is that a valid point?? he really thinks men are superior to women, claiming that kids aren’t equals to adults.. probably the worst analogy to use. also, the two other men i would say had valid points when it came across divorce trials and custody over children because i could understand an argument like that, but derrick is on a whole other level that’s just completely one sided.

[@kjobful]

salty sloth women historically have been treated like kids and babied by society since the beginning of time which is what has led to women having this extreme sense entitlement in western cultures. So him comparing them to children is more spot on than women would like to admit. My only knock on his statement is he didn’t provide and evidence to back his statement. And there is OVERWHELMING evidence to back that statement/comparison. And to be clear I don’t support feminism or mgtow both are capitalist funded movements to keep men and women fighting. But the non emotional dialogue is extremely healthy.

[@saltysloth6814]

kjobful okay... but maybe women don’t want to be “babied”? women also don’t want to be compared to children, simple as that. yeah, maybe we have been because we weren’t aloud the same privileges as white males, but still. derrick wants to go back to where males were highly superior to women, that’s why they don’t like what he’s saying.

[@sarcasticaquarius9612]

“Toxic masculinity is real” Derick: *smirks while women walk up*

[@arianamartins6303]

Sarcastic Aquarius right??? I was like dude come on

[@MelleSalome8888]

he was illustrating the concept very well indeed (well done, Derrick !)

[@pyro5518]

Pichon Salomé how does that display toxic masculinity💀

[@hannahcampos584]

The whole time I was like "Derick you're literally a great example of toxic masculinity"

[@hannahcampos584]

@@Top_Cheeze 1) I'm not a bully 2) thank you for proving that I am wrong. I am now fully aware on other sides of Toxic Masculinity. I don't know if that makes sense to what I just said. But genuinely, thank you.

[@mairvik6800]

Derick looks like every awkward “I want to be cool” kid in every high school party

[@chloegollihar9131]

Meg Griffin-esque, if you will

[@kiro8394]

Exactly like jonah hills roles😂😂

[@starchybinkie4701]

He looks like Vince Chung from American dad

[@ruthassefaerda1074]

Couldn't describe him better.

[@manic6461]

Literally my ex

[@imastar.111]

I love how Zach is here to learn and listen. All my respect to him

[@OliverScott-f5k]

Thats how it should be. Men and women need each other to survive and should listen to one another.

[@nicktalton4047]

I wish they had a male feminist and a female men’s rights

[@uoutoii6211]

Barret thinking women should be equal as a man isn’t being a simp

[@likefools_4605]

Barret don’t use the word simp if u don’t know the meaning to it and in what situation it’s appropriate to use .

[@bubson2981]

Ah yes one of the LEGIONS of female mra's

[@TGLE_YT]

@Barret 🤡

[@esmepersis351]

@Barret Male feminists... the (future) king of my heart. I will never date or be in love with a man who believes that he or his gender is superior to mine. I will make this very clear to anyone who ever wants to be my S/O. So unless you live in Alabama and are forced to marry your sister, have fun being single

[@avam3740]

Derrick: I’m a youtu- Everyone: *I’m gonna stop you right there*

[@dragoncakebomb549]

nessie now has a phone why do I feel like Derrick only got one like on his KZbin videos

[@cadengriffiths2036]

I literally said oh my god here we go 🙄

[@anitadimaya]

That black womans face when he said youtuber lmao

[@camilacalvet474]

Bro

[@Mal-x2x]

garlic bread thats exactly what I did lmao

[@michael-cw8qs]

"I don't think you can be friends with women," derrick says after being rejected

[@ponderofluna8345]

So he just marries random women? XD

[@coribakescakes4279]

Not taking a girl to prom really did a number on derrick

[@JinxPropaganda]

@@ponderofluna8345 nah this dude will be forever single

[@sushilameena2965]

@@JinxPropaganda lol your username and pfp😂😂..and hi armyblink

[@aliciamarie2551]

@@ponderofluna8345 funny of you to assume he’s ever going to get married.

[@jaesantos]

As much as I disagree with Derrick, I’m glad he was there coz there’s a LOT of people in this world who share his views. These are the people we have to work on and educate.

[@redfatseal2407]

I would love to see a discussion of these feminists and the other 2 men. It would've been nice

[@Emma-qi6hd]

Derrick is that type of guy that say: "All girls are the same" when a girl reject him

[@ZakoReacts]

Ahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah😐

[@manu-nz7vc]

juice wrld said it dont u ever disrespect juice

[@Emma-qi6hd]

@@manu-nz7vc what? I dont understand

[@C-126]

Or the girls who say it about guys

[@C-126]

Derrick is just derrick

[@naturallyirem997]

They should have gotten a man feminist and a woman men’s rights person... or just replaced Derrick.

[@aaalejandritaaa]

tbh replacing derrick would make them agree on everything

[@izzylewis7835]

yesss

[@insightfultoaster2965]

@Quantum x Relativity You get two seats and double money!!!

[@directioner4859]

yes

[@kokiyoun6868]

@doomzone megabomb lmao fr

[@bellaselamet6231]

“I feel empathy for the other side” Derrick: *hesitates*

[@ilovebakugokatsukimorethanu]

im covering my drink around derrick

[@jimmkekw]

you don't need to, he never leaves his basement

[@ilovebakugokatsukimorethanu]

@@jimmkekw true that

[@oldmate8886]

Men's rights, feminists and an incel have a conversation

[@rabidspiders01]

Theres no such thing as an incel.

[@chuarh7393]

Curtis Shores Derrick: Allow me to introduce myself

[@rabidspiders01]

@@chuarh7393 $20 would solve the issue of being an incel. Like I said theres no such thing. Derrick is just a loser.

[@oldmate8886]

@@rabidspiders01 solve the issue of being an incel, but incels don't exist.. You tried

[@rabidspiders01]

@@oldmate8886 well its obvious incel is a term that's used. 'incel' is a term used for lazy losers. My point is theres no such thing as 'involuntary' celibacy because for the right price pussy is easy. Either way "incel" is self inflicted therefore not involuntary.

[@elizabeth-lw9tw]

Nobody: Derrick lookin like a whole 4th grade boy and then a middle school boy attitude-

[@SpecificValio]

Istg he looks like the youngest person here with his attitude.

[@respectablegunowner]

He’s dead he killed himself smh

[@vashikumar3681]

Ugh yes this

[@hottieschicken]

@@respectablegunowner big if true

[@apt8446]

That's disrespectful to middle schoolers, I'm sure most have them have better views than Derrick ugh

[@mariampapinash6805]

that was definitely the first time derrick has ever spoken to a woman

[@meenakshisaxena5214]

Hahahahhaha

[@jen1310lol]

and that was also the last time

[@Melting_because_of_beauty]

This is why MRA should exist

[@aussiedynasty7792]

my girl was like "i specifically know of womens groups trying to change things for men" then saying my dude i didnt come with research i cant tell you who is just straight lying

[@brendonslife4584]

cause she knows that its happening she didnt look up that specific question the night before or anything unlike that other guy

[@Lostachilles]

@@brendonslife4584 If she knows that it's happening for certain, she'd know the name of at least one of the organisations, or would be able to point him in the direction of where to look, like for a specific court case or a movement or whatever. She couldn't because she was lying.

[@Rush-Hour-r3t]

@@Lostachillesreal bro

[@EthernosIV]

​@@brendonslife4584 im not sure how this channel works but dont they tell the candidates about this debate before it happens? And if they did they should have had their research ready. And even if so she is a feminist who researched about this alot then she must know at least a name.

[@brendonslife4584]

@@Lostachilles not really. I know for a fact there’s movements for world hunger but I couldn’t name you one!! Doesn’t mean I’m lying I just didn’t google it LMFAO

[@oskar3565]

2 men’s rights activists vs. 3 women vs. a science experiment

[@hm-kt7ur]

HELP-

[@hm-kt7ur]

No cus dead ass tho

[@ra1ningbl00d]

FRRRR

[@flawedaughter]

underrated comment over here

[@blob4345]

💀

[@innatebubble121]

This one was the most tense. They seemed like they hated each other before even discussing.

[@mayaowen6557]

True...but have you seen the flat-earther + scientists one? Cause I think that one takes the cake for intensity haha

[@innatebubble121]

Maya Owen I probably shoulda just said they hated Derrick. But yeah, the flat earth one just has the scientists looking annoyed.

[@bambi7999]

this comment made me audibly giggle

[@StefdK1]

worst thing, I don't agree with eather of the 6

[@coldturkey6547]

I think that was more Derrick and the feminist the French dude was respectful and factual and zack just wanted a different view and cared about men though

[@Lolpy.]

The moment Derrick said “I’m also known as an incel.” I immediately was just like “Oh no...”

[@laila2607]

Insert Jontron saying oh no

[@hannahscott1178]

as soon as i saw him i knew and when he admitted it i let out an audible sigh

[@arthurepisodes-full8994]

The moment I saw your profile picture I knew I had finally seen everything

[@jeremyrecto8744]

He was so proud of saying it and he shouldn't be, lmao.

[@ashleyalbert8859]

It explains a lot of inner frustrations. He needs to try some mediation or healthy ways of being at peace inward. His outward angst is showing.

[@nathanlandolt5505]

Women have locker room talk too. They just dont call it that. They talk about men in lewd ways. I didnt know that until i started dating my lady and shes talking to me about the gossip she has with her friends and im sitting there thinking "i dont need to know this stuff about these guys"

[@ashy7230]

as a girl not rlly

[@nathanlandolt5505]

@@ashy7230 you're saying women(in general, not just you) don't discuss men in lewd details?

[@DavidW-ng5zv]

​@@ashy7230, nothing wrong with locker room talk.

[@riven4121]

@@ashy7230 The "locker room" isn't literal it's a metaphor. What women call "girl talk" is what people call men's "locker room" talk.

[@ashy7230]

@@riven4121 “girl talk” is also just mostly women exclusive problems such as periods lmao

[@jeanneouellet5460]

imagine having a kid just so it becomes a Derrick

[@kennedyu2953]

Jeanne Ouellet that’s why i’m pro choice

[@aribanahonarukas1641]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA I ALMOST CHOKED ON MY SALIVA

[@Marieskeez]

It is my right to not have that kid...

[@arando1410]

Like how you called the kid an it

[@lowkeyluckyjeans8560]

That would be a bad dream to never wake up from.

[@leolasabatini4604]

All the women facial expressions when derrick speaks is killing me 💀💀

[@T4NAYSIA]

Lmao right Aleyshas face 💀💀

[@enixma820]

Natasel Wait whose side are you one here? I am very confused with those words that are on my screen.

[@bloopbop181]

Natasel Do you mean that no matter what side your on it has some wrong faults?

[@yousifxg4mer318]

Natasel sorry but that is irrelevant , not in all arguments one of the side is right , in some argument non of them are wrong so it doesn’t matter , while in some argument both of them are wrong like in this argument both of them had faulty expressions that don’t even represent the least part of the society , they didn’t talk about real problems they talked about irrelevant matters

[@addie8080]

Natasel you confusing me lmao.

[@taisakuichi5774]

The actual title: *everyone's rights vs Derrick.*

[@thescotts1326]

HAHAHAHAAHA

[@guthomayron6161]

Lmao

[@rileyashtyn130]

Fr

[@bigfoot1035]

Yes

[@brianhawkins3099]

Yo Derrick isn’t in the wrong! No one is it’s just beliefs like if you were Christian and I’m atheist! We can still respect eachother and our own beliefs

[@Caine61]

The camera cuts to Alyshea’s face every time Derrick spoke

[@kennedyanne3961]

You can tell everyone was weirded out and uncomfortable around Derrick

[@tobymcinnis7031]

Might be worth empathising with what it's like to be him and know that what you're saying is true.

[@jazzyfizz2038]

I was watching him

[@dr.liljay2874]

Me: Comes to comments to look for insightful opinions. Everyone: *Derrick*

[@mekasa6721]

Same😤

[@erickamunoz9497]

DR.LILJAY It’s because he shouldn’t of been there

[@lvwerneck]

@@erickamunoz9497 I think he should, Ericka, he's an archetype, a representation of the mentality of a lot of people out there. I do think it's inherently problematic to give more volume to people with those opinions, but in this specific contest with the potential of counterpoints, it might have been constructive. Would not give him a KZbin channel, though, intolerance towards intolerance isn't hypocritical.

[@matthewb4988]

@@lvwerneck "intolerance towards intolerance isn't hypocritical." It can be. What counts as intolerance and who gets to make that call? If your "intolerance towards intolerance" is greatly disproportionate to the intolerance itself, then that is hypocritical. Likewise if one is authorized to decide what counts as intolerance and another is not, then you can have a situation where: A(authorized party) does something mildly intolerant to B(non-authorized party) deeming it acceptable and not intolerant, B responds exactly in kind, A deems that intolerant and therefore worthy of escalation. Otherwise I think I agree.

[@kmw4040]

Did anyone else read the comments about Derrick and immediately know who he was before he introduced himself just by looking at him

[@sk8brder40]

The Venom sweatshirt definitely helped

[@Daniela-pt6xb]

Who is he then?

[@kmw4040]

Daniela what will that prove

[@stephylynnpatch]

Yuuup

[@ananyasahay]

yes

[@brendonslife4584]

"i dont think you can be friends with a woman" HER FACE shes so strong for not laughing

[@maiarajnauth3359]

what is actually wrong with derrick lmao , he’s constantly embarrassing himself

[@lauratheshroom]

He admitted to being an incel in another video

[@davidthompson184]

He’s a simp

[@tylerskolmen7864]

he said he's a incel

[@TheMsr1997]

Pretty sure he's trolling.

[@alfraecalumag6630]

And he mentioned about his mother being a single mom who cared for him his all life and being a single mom is a living proof that women can do what men do

[@gater4616]

They should have gotten a man feminist and a woman men’s rights person rather than just 3 men vs 3 women

[@thewitheringrose8670]

so glad i'm not the only one that thought that

[@ronja_kkat]

I immediately thought of that when I saw them

[@derpdawg3492]

Replace Derek

[@dinochickenuggy]

Are there really any women who are men's rights activists?

[@morningboy_]

@@derpdawg3492 yes

[@havannaborland3073]

i love all the women’s expressions whenever derrick talks

[@Tiffany-ov2jf]

Lol ikr

[@janetfearon5370]

Lmfaoo Yes!🤣

[@minminmia7206]

Yasss👍😂👍

[@samethazine6030]

They said:😐😒

[@Melting_because_of_beauty]

Im 100% sure it's not alll about his opinions

[@rayromero6795]

Don’t separate Derrick from the other two. They went on this show and chose sides, and got stuck. When you stand up for what you believe in, look who’s standing next to you.

[@redfatseal2407]

But Derrick does not care about men's rights at all. He's ruining everything

[@rayromero6795]

@ well look at the show he’s on and the side he’s on. Seems like he’s a men’s rights activist to me 🤪

[@redfatseal2407]

@@rayromero6795 so am I but I disagree with nearly everything he says. He’s literally an incell

[@jatimoa9969]

Derrick should not be included in this because his beliefs could be a whole video on its own.

[@breathingsnow55]

Pacific Fire His beliefs were very interesting to hear.

[@princeazaiah8679]

It was a video.

[@warriorsanjay]

Uncle Ruckus you are 102% balck

[@SoopaTroopa]

Search for "I'm an incel. Ask me anything", and you get a whole video of him :P

[@ghostyfellla]

Pacific Fire IM WHEEZING

[@kristianayordanova6038]

Derek doesn’t want to be friends with women and says that’s it’s hard to find a girlfriend. If first your not friends with a woman there isn’t a way to date.

[@ardenstewartt]

Him and his greasy ass hair

[@thotumn2896]

@@HenriLaroco YES LMAOOAOOOOA

[@theblandcharlie822]

I disagree

[@SeraphimDragon]

I have a very age old counter point to your view, and many others can confirm this from both sides; if you don't make your intentions clear from the start, then you're dooming yourself to be stuck in the friend zone because until you make it clear that you want more than just a friendship, that woman is going to have NO problems taking you up on any and every offer you give to her so long as she feels she doesn't need to give anything back in return. I mean there are LITERALLY women who "date" just so they can get a free meal.

[@arcturus4762]

tbh he probably doesn't even bathe

[@breathedarlingokay]

the second he called himself an 'incel' it was all over

[@beefycake4330]

honestly tho when I heard that I was like- 🤢✌️😔✋🏃‍♂️💨

[@jaylenwhite4051]

Lmaoooo

[@BadBatzMaru]

Exactly, he threw his ass away the moment the word came out of his mouth.

[@Sergio_Solorio]

The problem with the incel community is that there are varied subsections of groups which differ in intensity, and there is not an official treatise of what exactly constitutes the incel philosophy (blackpill). Their general argument, which is that women are more selective than men for relationships, is a slippery contention because there is minimal evidence for it. However, they capitalize on events where women carry a certain attitude towards men solely on their appearance, although this is not to say all women behave this way. What one could surely say is that there has been a major culture change on the viewing towards polygamist sex, when throughout most of modern history, fornication was frowned upon. Media categorizes relationships to almost be considered as a fashion statement, where strapping, tall muscular men bond with lustrous, curvaceous women. These unrealistic physical archetypes of what men and women should be leave an entire population subconsciously influenced by such standards. People become more jealous of sex when all forms of media glorify it to be an amazing thing. Underrepresented Men in the dating scene, who probably do not meet this media standard of tall and muscular, probably have a much harder time to attract women because psychologically they feel physically inadequate due to cultural standards, leading them to a downward spiral of resentment and low self-esteem. Some women who are more in preference to physical intimacy than long-term authentic relations, may hanker more towards better-looking men because it makes them feel subconsciously to be of better value. What makes this premise interesting is that men’s supposed physical standards are more of a congenital nature while women’s are not. For example, an overweight woman would not be considered attractive by many but such physical drawbacks can most likely be prevented. On the other hand, a genetically short male cannot change his height, or modify a physically unattractive face because men are not expected to wear make up. Derrick employs the faulty generalization fallacy when he says that most women are naturally superficial towards looks, but it is by nature that humans tend to trust more better attractive people than less attractive ones. This may not detract a psychologically sound, although physically ungifted male from wooing females, though it may make things more difficult in a society where we create matches at the click of a button through dating apps. Men should be more grateful of where their physical gifts lie and not expect to bond with a “movie-quality” female, but women should be more understanding of men who may have below-average looks. All of this finger-pointing is useless when it comes to reducing the physical prejudices we have in society. The toxic side of the incel community recognizes some social pitfalls, but quickly generalizes the motives of women. The hyper sexualization of media and the false advertising of romance, as well as drunken mayhem and party scenes of 20-something year olds, where the most visceral and attractive partygoers have casual sex every weekend and treat it like the time of their life, leaves physically ungifted men infuriated, when their testosterone levels are raging high and their fathers and grandfathers would have already been married. This is not to say that this culture is necessarily wrong, but we must encourage people to change their outlook of what creates an ideal, physically attractive man and woman.

[@Sergio_Solorio]

@Eggfriend provide me with an argument. And then we can debate and maybe, just MAYBE you can change my mind, rather than resorting to name calling.

[@Hype-xcwasant]

“I didn’t come with a list” “Just 1” “I didn’t come with a list my dude

[@EarlsTea]

proves shes wrong lmao you dont need a list for one

[@IAmVexedRn]

So if I asked you to name one feminization movement that focuses on let’s say just the unfair pay gap, you would know the answer? I wouldn’t. I know they exist but that does not mean I know the name.

[@varshajagadeesh431]

derek definitely seems like he wants women to like him because ‘hes a man’ rather than because they genuinely like him as a person because clearly theres not much to like and maybe he knows that lol

[@boiledtoast112]

I honestly think he’s insecure about his personality but that does not excuse his behavior

[@ellarae6647]

I also think with his statement about how it wouldnt be bad of we went back to the olden days and abt how it would be happier really speaks just from a mans perspective considering he was referring to the time of men and women getting married then every day the man goes off the work and the woman stays home and takes care of the kids and if we still did that it wouldn't be happy for most women because these days women have dreams and want jobs other than housewife stay at home mom

[@jame5game5]

@@ellarae6647 Agreed, because I'd love to stay at home as a man

[@teecee5686]

You read him like a book

[@zfox4743]

..

[@evieleighsavage]

*Derrick:* It's so hard for us to find a woman. *Grammarly:* I think you meant 'us=you'

[@deepsix2137]

Jesus Christ you killed him dude!

[@evieleighsavage]

@@deepsix2137 Grammarly - helping you -correct- connect. :)

[@lunarose449]

Pfft, true though

[@mr_knowitall]

It is true though, at least regarding sexual access.

[@bellarose1562]

Derrick won’t find a women if he keeps thinking we should be treated like children that’s for sure lol

[@kaitlynnoble1337]

cant believe derrick studied evolutional biology and still isn't educated

[@HiddenOcelot]

Educated and intelligent are different things bro. Educated just means you learned, intelligence means you understood.

[@katsumi8644]

He is educated in Biology, doesn't mean he isn't educated.

[@vandamn1164]

HiddenOcelot dude how so? Intelligence is using the knowledge you know to acquire new knowledge and applying to problem to finding solutions. Also the ability to learn.

[@sammyjankiss287]

All 3 women seem like they've all been hurt deeply in the past. And yes, Derrick is weird. We get it.

[@notrlysuretbh]

“For a guy, finding a girl is like, really hard.” *kind of ironic coming from a guy like Derrick*

[@ghostspresence2172]

Its not ironic its actually true

[@malakschlibak8721]

@@ghostspresence2172 I mean yeah, you've got to have a personality, you also have to aware of what the girl is attracted to. The girl may not even be straight but as long as you get along well with people it should be easy.

[@filipdracewicz1446]

XDDD TRUE

[@_hoshii5646]

@@spandildhaka9398 so what is an eligible woman? a woman who listens to a mans every word? a women who isn’t confident? a submissive woman?

[@lisasbangsaremorestabletha4660]

ayyeee Kim Jisoo!!!

[@Jmarsteller13]

They could have found a female men’s rights activist because this just feels like men vs women

[@hollymclean4110]

Jacob Marsteller yeah, they should have. They could of also used a male feminist, it got pretty male vs female at some points rather than activist vs feminist.

[@oscartiong6649]

I think it’s because they want to really make sure that both sides have contrasting opinions. Because if this was just men vs feminists, some of the men may be feminists as well.

[@kai5856]

Yeah, I think they should do a part 2 and have some females on the men's activist side and male feminists

[@samuelbishop3316]

Should have replaced Derrick with her

[@alexreyes7237]

Welcome to feminism

[@ronanhannon1951]

"What if your best friend was a woman?" Derrick: *laughs awkwardly*

[@oskarpalse3414]

Bruh

[@hannahj4549]

derrick is like what’s a friend

[@soggytoast6282]

I got hurt when he said that because im a boy and all my best friends are girls many view me as weak and think im gay this really hurts i cant just enjoy myself without being judged

[@ronanhannon1951]

@@soggytoast6282 trust me man in a couple years all the guys would wish they'd be like you. You know. Derrick's probably just got rejected by a girl, so he hates all of them u know. Trust me you're way better off being comfortable around them and the ppl that make you feel gay are just jealous cuz they are too awkward to talk to women

[@samsmith2506]

@@ronanhannon1951 , You gave Soggy bad advice there.. It's a safe bet to say all his 'Girlfriends' use him as an emotional tampon when they cry to him about the badboys pumping and dumping them.. They also keep him around cause of the free attention and validation he gives them as well. Two things any real man/boy worth his salt should NOT give a girl. He's a 'friendzone' hanger on to these 'Girlfriends' and nothing more.. = They don't respect him. Those that call Soggy weak call him that cause he IS weak.

[@ScreamingGlitterr]

5:13 I LOVE HOW SHE PUT DERRICK IN HIS PLACE OML

[@rubenkulikyan3283]

16:30 i love how he put her in her place Derick is a freak they chose the worst guy ever for propoganda. But for some reason they chose normal people for the girls

[@rubenkulikyan3283]

I wonder whyyy?🤔

[@lesdaisydoo]

​@@rubenkulikyan3283a lot of feminists ARE normal people, that's why. It just gets blurred by the minority that misconstrue what feminism actually means.

[@Cmilla67]

@@rubenkulikyan3283just a reminder that feminism is about WOMEN's rights. To disprove that guys claim that there are no feminist groups that challenge biases against fathers in the family curt system: National Organization for Women is a feminist organization that advocates to reforms in the family curt system to prioritize children's well-being, and Shared Perenting organization that collaborates with feminist allies that challenge biases and seek for shared custody and equitable treatment for fathers. He, in fact, did not put her in her place but completely lied.

[@rubenkulikyan3283]

@@Cmilla67 its spelled court not curt

[@kaxiko1066]

I love how you can see the feminists trying to stop themselves from punching Derrick in the face

[@kaxiko1066]

I'm Groot um, what makes you say that? 😅

[@kaxiko1066]

Edward Teach A.K.A Blackbeard oh ok 😂

[@joeythepotato7861]

@Edward Teach A.K.A Blackbeard no? He's groot.

[@krishafyme]

I was stopping myself from punching the damn screen

[@keylahjooste6543]

@I'm Groot Since when?

[@Jasussaveslivez]

"i dont hate women" he just "dislikes women"

[@lukyluk_py]

well that just sounds like hate with extra steps

[@thnb7934]

I like your profilepicture

[@devdutdutta8796]

Too bad the women dislike him back XD XD

[@greatfood4327]

What even Are women?

[@kosalraman2381]

@@greatfood4327 humans, I guess?

[@enlosmargenes]

“Us going back from the past wouldn’t be so bad” Camera: *cuts to the black girl*

[@fbqsnation4741]

LMAOOOOO GOOD EYE😂

[@nevanleong5954]

Like

[@nevanleong5954]

Plague

[@nevanleong5954]

Communism

[@nevanleong5954]

Public executions