Assyrian Babylon vs. Chinese Chu Dynasty - Archery Comparison

Both bows are great, both have some minor weaknesses.
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[@tammynfletcher]

2 beautiful shaped bows. I do love the look of Grozers Assyrian way more and close to the same price? If I had to pick it would be AF archery. Seems a little stiffer than Alibow. Seems I can leave comments now. Thank you for the great comparison!

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Hi Mr. Armin I hope you and your students are well. At last I can see this comparison video. Wow both bows have their charm Each company puts all their knowledge and love in their creations.I don't see a winner. Great day to all in Malta✌😀

[@ArminHirmer]

Thank you Miguel

[@scratabit]

Well balanced review - I can see you like both and can't make a judgement - a bit like which is your favourite child! Personally I would lean toward the AF bow. It's quieter, and I like the shape - something a little different about it. The issue with the AF hand grip I would solve simply with a bit of extra wrap - the rest of the bow would justify that.

[@slowdancer5563]

I"ll go with the sturdy and quieter AF bow and an after market low profile bow string. I don't care for any "look at me" equipment or gear. Thank you for another great review Master Armin.

[@sigmanarchery54]

They are both nice looking bows but I think I would go for the AF thank you sir 👍🏼👍🏼

[@emarsk77]

To be honest, I'm a bit concerned for the cats. Please take care where you roam, kitties.

[@ArminHirmer]

No kitty was harmed in this video :D

[@SigurdtheRyder]

The babylon bow, If handke is too small, why not apply a secong wrap of leather to fit the hand better? It is not so difficult to do....yes?

[@ArminHirmer]

Of course it is not difficult. But I don't do a DIY comparison here, I compare what comes.out of the box. I guess this is what people should see

[@SigurdtheRyder]

@@ArminHirmer Sure I understand, just saying....as always reviews are excellent

[@adriaanvandenberg5013]

I like the personal review, no unneeded talk about FPS, materials, statistics, fast flight or other stuff. Great seeing different arrow lengths, handle feel, arrow holding techniques, noise, and your personal opinions, glad to hear about the stickers and coloured strings, string bridges and other feeling related comments. A lot of reviews focus on technical stuff, but a bow is also very personal to an archer, sometimes people forget that.

[@msrvfx]

These look like one is using a Flemish twist string and the others a continuous loop string. The Flemish twist should be and sounds like it is quieter. Would be nice if both bows had the same style of string for more of an apples-to-apple sound / feel comparison. Do the makers give a recommended brace height range? If so you could twist the string brace height towards its higher range and the string will be quieter and less punchy.

[@Dream_Weapon]

That sound from the Alibow made me say "whoah" out loud.

[@klausjuergen]

I've got the biolaminated Assyrian from Grózer some years back. And it was my experience that shipping took for ages. I think I waited 2 months until the bow was shipped.

[@jordanarther1301]

Does it just NEVER rain where you live?

[@tradbowhunter53]

Looking at a new bow for elk hunting and actually really like the AF archery assyrian, but have a couple questions. If I ordered the 50lbs model(my draw is 28") would I be able to expect somewhere in the 160-170fp range with 500 grain arrows? Also, the siyas(not sure if thats how they are spelled, i shoot split finger so i am not familiar with easter archery) look really thin and delicate, should I be worried about that or are they plenty durable?

[@jasontsang2232]

Arrow speed has to be with draw weight, bow type and draw length. It shouldn't matter if you use a horse bow type for hunting. A trad bow is a trade bow. No reason you can't use split finger for no shelf bow. Get right arrow spine.

[@Burboss]

Grozer? Don't bother... No more Grozers for me.

[@tammynfletcher]

Bad luck or bad service?

[@aliendoggy1]

I think i go for alibow :) Is Alibow slow to respond to mail? Sent an email 7 days ago and got no reply yet!

[@Daylon91]

Armin told us that Alibow only has one english speaker in the whole company so when he isnt there then no english questions get answered

[@aliendoggy1]

@@Daylon91 Is it just ignored and rejected and never answered?

[@Daylon91]

@@aliendoggy1 itll get answered just send another message in capitals lol

[@ArminHirmer]

they always answer, it simply can take a bit

[@aliendoggy1]

@@ArminHirmer Then I have to wait with patience :)

[@lubossoltes321]

The Alibow will seriously punish you for any errors on the string (twist, torque etc.), the AF one is much more forgiving with the stiffness .... That being said, you will obviously detect any such form issues on the Alibow easier :-)) but the AF one looks better to me ...

[@ArminHirmer]

With a bow if that length it will never be so obvious. Chu helps you correct your form hahaha

[@fire_lord862]

I kinda love the stickers, I don't know why.

[@qg786]

I think I'd go for the AF bow. I prefer a quiet bow. The bow string is a bit too flashy though.

[@Burboss]

I'd go for AF as well, but for twist resistance. Handle can be adjusted, string replaced.

[@willywantoknow2563]

I'm really liking the profile of the Babylonian! Really liking the Egyptian deflex, rigid recurve and almost pyramid limb. I would love to see Grozer Assyrian vs Babylon.

[@nisamaanas4388]

I'm here to learn about those bows bcus i'm planning to buy a new bow for my family collection. But the cat in 15.30 caught my attention more. Hahahahaha. Btw, i love your vids mr.Armin. Really really helpful for me to understand how each bow feels like. Thank you for making these kind of videos. :)

[@rickkahapea5361]

Great illustration of two great bows. My preference, the Assyrian. Stiffer and quieter. Two things I would change on it. String, and thicker grip.

[@pianosongbook]

... is this in Malta???

[@ArminHirmer]

At our range in Lija, yes

[@paulvoragen8288]

Armin, I have problems with ordering from custom thumb rings, and they are not reacting to my messages, could you contact them and tell them that Paul Voragen has contacted them. If there other ways you could help me pleaze contact me

[@desertrainfrog1691]

They both make a nice thunk sound. Very nice without string puffs even.

[@Daylon91]

Why do bowyers make their bows that they do research on bigger than the original. Then itll be super wiggly like AF when historically itd be more sturdy

[@ArminHirmer]

to gain more draw length I guess

[@Daylon91]

@@ArminHirmer but if u look at the depictions of archers traditionally they pull way back with little bows. I've heard tell which makes sense to me from Mike Loads that a further draw length (even past 60°) was effective because the longer the string acts upon the arrow the more benefits it has on the arrow. Like a longer barrel on a gun. The medieval crossbow is not efficient at all because of the tiny draw length of 5 inches maybe which is why they needed to make them 300+ ibs at least for war plus friction slowed down the string and when they made them out of metal it got worse.

[@ArminHirmer]

@@Daylon91 one side is, that of course you bring more energy in the arrow, the longer the arrow is in contact with the string. But when you are beyond roughly 60 degrees, a lot of stored energy goes back in the bow not in the string. As example the Qing dragon 2 from Mariner has at 36" a string angle of exactly 60 degrees. One can wonder now whet the Manchu bows are so efficient

[@Daylon91]

@@ArminHirmer Ah ok thanks for the response. I'm thinking if it goes up in weight the further you draw it back it's worth drawing it back getting that extra energy even though some of it distributed throughout and not into the string directly

[@ruthinelshoadley397]

Good job Armin! I like the AF “Kadesh” bow that appears to be like the Babylon but without the siyahs. Without the siyahs - 30 inch draw; with the siyahs - looks like 32 inch draw easy!

[@davidgendron1953]

Facebook and all its "pros" hahaha!! nice bows, I think the noise of the Alibow would drive me nuts hahaha!

[@Archerstidbits]

Short comparison lolz :-p Interesting though, I must admit. Still slight preference for Alibow over AF. Thx as always!! Btw, 350 $ at the moment, but free shipping for Alibow

[@ColetteNoir]

Two lovely bows! I like how you point out that the higher brace height on the Alibow makes up for the broader arrow-pass. Balanced review!!!

[@parthianworrior5874]

I have a assyrian bow made in hungry it s very fast and has good handling .ŕeza from iran.

[@vitaminc864]

Is the Assyrian bow similar to the Arabian bow?

[@itubability]

Nice comparison. AF also offers different wood options at the same price. Alibow is an upgrade. Have you come across any reports on the Mariner Warring States?

[@ArminHirmer]

mariner looks alike, but never had it in my hands. Mariner does not need my support :D :D :D

[@UTxTheArchangel]

The Chu looks so pretty.

[@1981ulver]

Armin need to try Babylon now ;)

[@ArminHirmer]

Sure

[@valterXIII]

Thank You. Kind regards, Denis

[@Dream_Weapon]

Are they stickers or are they sticker under clearcoat?

[@ArminHirmer]

feels like under

[@tammynfletcher]

I'd love to leave a comment but you tube has been putting all my comments in spam folders I don't know why.

[@ArminHirmer]

No idea

[@tammynfletcher]

@@ArminHirmer as long as I can comment on my favorite channel now I'm happy!

[@kmarchery]

So re the 60 degree angle. are you going to try n make a video with an engineer?? And a bowyer making contributions ???

[@Daylon91]

It's up in the air wether the 60 degree angle makes a difference or point. Seeings how the longer the string acts on a arrow the more benefits the arrow has

[@kmarchery]

@@Daylon91 I know which is why I suggested to Armin . Contact a bowyer and an engineer. Like Dustin at smarter everyday as an example. Not sure which bowyer . But Do some experiments. This is right up Dustin's alley n armins . We get a cross over video . In a mythbuster style . Either confirm or bust ???

[@kmarchery]

It will always be bow dependant. But in theory there is an optimum Point . Is it at that 60 degree or is it. 65 .or 50. ????? It's splitting hairs of course . It's throwing sticks with another stick and a string. But I'm hoping for some fun hi speed n some fun science .

[@mickruhdorf9916]

Hi Armin i never see you use a quiver why is that ? hello from Australia .

[@ArminHirmer]

I am not on a 3D parkour... No need for it