Avi Shlaim on Arab-Jews, Zionism and Israel

In this Islam Channel Podcast episode, host Mas Patel speaks to prominent Israeli-British historian Professor Avi Shlaim.
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[@Urm0mz]

Thankfully we are able to document these conversations.... absolutely honored to listen to him

[@abirames8925]

I absolutely love this guy. He is so rational and calm.

[@berihunassfaw7472]

The real face of humanity. Thanks God, there people like Professor Avi Shlaim, who teaches us the true history of Arabs/ Israelis political differences and fights.

[@belikewater3038]

What a pleasure to listen to two gentlemen. Thank you.

[@sanjazuljevic8046]

❤❤

[@user-jc8rp6nq5l]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@catherineslist673]

Another extremely sensitive interview by Mas Patel, thank you! and thanks to this extraordinary human being, Prof Avi, for sharing his story and showing us a totally different truth from the one we have received from mainstream sources! With deep respect and gratitude to both of you!!!!

[@michaelfoley3777]

A brilliant interview with a Very Brilliant and pure human being! May Almighty God continue to bless both you & your Family. Most Sincerely Michael Foley.

[@deedee8568]

Thank heavens for Avi Shlaim.

[@evangel1737]

Thank you for this time well spent with Professor Avi. I feel privileged any time I can sit and listen to him. I learn so much in doing so. I'd love ❤️ 😍 to give him a hug 🫂 🤗 for being such a great humanitarian and for not becoming bitter for all he and family endured in that ruthless uprooting. He's truly special 💗

[@fatmakaradag3011]

Avı Shalom is a value that is vanishing in this world. He has first hsnd experinces as a historian. Respect and ❤.

[@julesbaxter7221]

What a beautiful human being… so honoured to hear his truth, and how this horrific situation has been created.. the world is a better place because of people Prof Avi 🙏🙏🙏

[@cynthiacudmore7265]

Love listening to this wonderful man.

[@embibelayele1729]

“I should much rather see a reasonable agreement with the Arabs based on living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State.” Albert Einstein.

[@Amazonka99]

I absolutely love this lovely grandpa. Thank you❤

[@VBASK2231]

Prof. Shlaim is such a compassionate human being and a great historian. His words are powerful because of the truth they convey

[@fcb9950]

A gentleman and a genuinely lovely man

[@paulheydarian1281]

Did you listen to what he said?

[@suzyvegalicious5646]

Thank you for your knowledgeable and calm explanation Avi Shlaim. What an amazing man.

[@dLehman]

I’ve read this fascinating book and really admire the honesty and courage of Prof Shlaim.

[@philostreet781]

“Iraq didn’t have a Jewish problem, Europe has a Jewish problem.” 11:20

[@hefnasty99]

Read some history. The arab Nazis in Iraq attacked attacked and murdered jews. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

[@mclmg]

Thank you for this interview and for the wisdom and historical insights shared by Professor Avi. I’m a catholic living in Asia who had visited West Bank, Israel and Egypt. The experience gained from this trip is a driving force in my support for Palestinian Independence and for the ending of the apartheid ( which has escalated in Gaza into a g3nocide). The recent news coming from Gaza and West Bank of continued violence against civilians is breaking my heart. 🕊️🇵🇸

[@shamim621]

My love and Respect for Prof Avi Shlaim is way up there. I just admire him

[@busyb8676]

What a wonderful human being! There truly would be peace in the world if we could all have leaders like him.

[@SiBarghelame]

I love this guy. He’s so genuine ❤

[@liveontheverandah]

What a wonderful man… we need elders like this- honest compassionate and human. Why are we ruled over by psychopaths? 😢

[@mariacoronel2547]

1:02:30 Money? Collective lunacy? Manipulation of the masses? We could go on, and on...

[@benb6527]

You can take the man out of the Arab but you can't take the Arab out of the man.

[@ireneghannage7306]

We’ve all been colonised

[@jennyhirschowitz1999]

This wonderful man is looked up to as a beacon of humanity. Having grown up in SA during the worst years of Apartheid and Zionist indoctrination I am thankful that my elderly pain has a voice …… merci Professor Shlaim.

[@benb6527]

@@jennyhirschowitz1999 No, he is just another person dealing with their particular trauma. Stop Idol worship.

[@mohamedrizvisegufareed9859]

It incredibly a good interview by a honest gentleman.👏👏👏👍

[@user-kv7bs7ug8u]

What a wonderful conversation . Thank you

[@afrusali1412]

Takes a big heart ❤️ may Allah be kind to all.

[@saadsahraoui7215]

I can hear the pain in the voice of Dr. Avi. The pain of belonging to 2 cultures that may seem currently antagonistic. I have a lot of respect for this great man

[@omegahaddad833]

Dr. Norm , it’s nice to see the sunlight coming through your office - you are shinning brighter than ever ! ❤

[@EliDahi]

Lovely to listen to an honest Iraqi Jew with humanitarian character and overview. My respect and sympathy Sir.

[@CarlKaroub]

Thank you Mr. Shlaim. If only your message is listened to, and accepted., we could have peace and security for all. Got bless you and keep you in good health.

[@aichafirst]

So educational. I feel privileged to be able to watch & listen to him.

[@mariaa6918]

What an amazing gentleman

[@paulheydarian1281]

Yes, but did you listen to what he said?

[@user-jc8rp6nq5l]

???

[@oumerseid8180]

Its really surprising that the far-right-fascist -extremists Itamar Ben-Gvir is also of Iraqi Jewish descent. The Iraqi Jewish history is so rich & so vital to the Jewish collective identity. Iraqi Jewish are not just another portion of the Jewish diaspora for Millenia rather they were a core contributors of the Jewish Rabbinic tradition in almost all aspects of Judaism. I was happy this channel invited Prof. Avi Shlaim & for him to share the unique & often forgotten & ignored aspects of the Mizrachi & Sephardic Jews life in the Arab world

[@contact594]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote of Persian Jews: "…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[27]

[@eemotionCoUk]

Sounds like badly spoken propaganda.

[@TIWNGAF]

@@contact594Iraq is not Persia

[@hefnasty99]

Read some history. The arab Nazis in Iraq attacked attacked and murdered jews. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

[@laurasantillan2192]

What a wonderful interview! Thanks Dr. Avi Shlaim: through your biography we've learned History, too.

[@Dani68ABminus]

Through his personal story he is conveying such an important part of history. As is often (most of the time?) the case, powerful money interests used a cloak to gain a foothold in a part of the world they want to exploit. The guise in this case was judaism. They play chess via the lies they spread. Thank you for the opportunity to listen to this wonderful guest! The truth will set us free.

[@jonathanbethune9075]

A prelude to " truth and reconciliation". A world of hard hearts.

[@grahamfigg5817]

This is what we need. People talking about their perspectives to each other. As much listening as talking.

[@user-ti2kb8ho4z]

Freedom for Palestine Freedom for Gaza 🇵🇸

[@YudYud72]

Palestine free is only when Israel is free Arab should go back to Egypt, Siriya and Jordan

[@Lolaaestereo]

Fantastic interview 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@elainemagson213]

Mas Patel is an impressive interviewer. He listens. Calm and completely engaged.

[@OneSixSun]

Yes. A rarity, really.

[@akbarfarzin9857]

He is telling the truth!!! surprisingly !!! excellent !! unbelievable !!!!

[@lynneholdaway5133]

Excellent..History is so important education must teach our true history.

[@user-kp7xg1yi6k]

Thanks for this heartfelt and sincere conversation. Growing up in America, I have often wondered about the historical roots of the Arab and Jewish peoples in the Middle East. Knowing that they lived in peaceful coexistence prior to 1948 is a valuable lesson. I feel that this understanding is key, especially given the current Israeli Genocide in Palestine today. Again, much thanks to your guest for articulating his experiences as an Arab Jew.

[@rozaliamajores4798]

Since European converts to Judaism, moved to the part of Palestinian territory, purchased by the Rothschild family from Britain in 1930-es. The genocide started in 1948, with the colonizing empires gladly financing blood shed in order to profit financially!

[@Kingofthehill84]

Christianity, Judaism and Islam is an Arabics/middleast religions origin.

[@liveontheverandah]

Yes indeed and it PROVES that we can go back to this way of acceptance and respect. As long as we all live according to a moral universal code (which we ALL know) and respect each other - we can have different beliefs about things and still live in harmony. We HAVE to strive for that.

[@contact594]

It's lies, search Safed massacre 1834 and see the truth

[@kouklepartali]

An got rid of the psychopath idiots like Netaniahou the CORRUPT POLITICIAN, WHO KILLS PALESTINIANS BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT THE DAY THE WAR WILL BE OVER, HE WILL BE JUDGED AND SENT TO PRISON FOR LIFE, ON TOP OF THE GENOCIDE.

[@mariacoronel2547]

49:33 How absolutely important it has been for me to listen to Professor Shlaim. His personal life story is a lesson of history in itself!! I will surely buy his book. Et en plus, his voice and demeanor are so gentle. Thank you for bringing him on your Podcast.

[@henryjamesmanalo2322]

Thank you to your program and to Avi Shlaim

[@wallsfak6968]

Thank you for the treasure in this astonishing interview. Opens up the history in new lights 🙏🏽

[@snOOpster007]

Thank you so much

[@hbishara9064]

A great great scholar. The World needs more of.

[@MehmetUzman]

It was an insightful talk, thank you both

[@nicesnubbe]

Thank u Avi Shlaim and thank u Mas Patel. Im in tears of hope and love to see u 2 talk so lovingly together. Jews and Muslims the closest siblings of the abrahamitic religions. And i will never forgive zionism to put this rip in that relationship. Lets end colonialism and racism and build a future of peaceful coexistance. Love from Sweden

[@bassocantante51]

Amazing content sir. 🙏

[@omniversling]

Absolutely cracking podcast...I learned so much. Thanks you both Gentlemen!

[@mutasemmurad8962]

Thank u doctor Avi , I’m always honored listening to your valuable conversations, I’m Palestinian and wish one day we will have rulers in the Arab world and Palestine Israel who are honest and humans like you are great man

[@pattymucha2184]

I love this man! 😂

[@Hermothersdaughter665]

😂 The quote that sums it all up: Arabs did not have a Jewish problem, Europe had a Jewish problem because they we considered the others, but in Arabia, we were one minority among many.

[@Krusted]

There's more to the Ashkenazi's Khazarian lineage than what's apparent, but it's tad bit too much for a KZbin reply. But to believe that the same ethnographic population was excommunicated from 109 different jurisdictions & municipalities over a 1000 year period based on nothing else but bigoted hatred and gossip seems, uh, rather delusional.

[@khajad99]

The power of the Iraqi blood,,,,, prof Avi is the living example of honesty and integrity.

[@Easter19165]

I am awestruck by Prof Avis gentleness, humility, compassion, wisdom and humanity - a truly great soul. Deep respect

[@tammerhemdan]

This Professor is a masterclass and in a league of his own.

[@OneSixSun]

Agree wholeheartedly. My second time listening to him. Prof Shlaim is a treasure.

[@boardoffisheries8640]

This interview has taught me so much and changed my world view. Thank you so kindly for this widened perspective. I pray for Peace

[@Libyan_anti_genocidele]

Honest man

[@rimskyable]

Very inspiring and insightful.

[@timothyschoonhoven717]

Bless Avi Shlaim. Always sooths me when listening to his experiences in these trying times.

[@jonathangold2087]

Quite an amazing interview, with an extraordinary and incredibly knowledgeable guest, Professor Avi Shlaim! The dramatic contrast of his family’s life in Iraq, compared with the extremely challenging conditions they experienced in Israel, after their forced relocation, was quite shocking and a most compelling narrative. The fact that he served in the Israeli military, gave his story further credibility. It is most unfortunate that the IDF became a brutal police force of occupation, in the lands Israel captured during the six day war. This change, persuaded Avi to alter his views about Israel, the IDF and Zionism in general, and understandably so! We have all benefitted from the knowledge, wisdom and astute insights that Professor Shlaim , shared with us in this exceptional interview. I am sure that the depth of understanding we all have about Israel and Palestine , is significantly improved , after listening to his responses to your thought provoking questions in this interview. Professor Avi Shlaim is a wealth of information about the Middle East, and has insights and perspectives about the region that few others possess. Thank you for inviting him on as a guest to your wonderful podcast.

[@amberdavidson6827]

Great & honest podcast! Telling some truths!

[@joodeejoodee]

Very interesting interview

[@den264]

Avi has a wonderful quote. "The Arabs had the best case for the land, but the weaker advocates. The Zionists had the weaker case for the land, but the stronger advocates " I think that status quo has changed in recent times.

[@norasalehbusiness9478]

كل الشكر والتقدير لكم بروفسور Shlaim أنّت فخرا للعرب انت اشرف من جميع هؤلاء للمتخاذلين كل الاحترام لشخصكم دمت ذخرا للإنسانية🌺🌸🌼

[@qwibber1]

MashaAllah, such a nice soul!

[@Milamuum]

The West has consciously chosen to ignore, obscure, hide and lie about the close relationship that existed between Jews, Christians and Muslims in predominantly Muslim lands. In the Qur’an, Jews and Christians are repeatedly referred to as “People of The Book”, meaning people to whom divine scripture has been revealed. All of the prophets spoken of in the Old and New Testaments are spoken of with great respect and honor in the Qur’an. Sad, that these relations and relationships have been torn asunder because of racism, nationalism and Zionism.

[@diggerman00007]

What a lovely human Avi is, a wonderful example of Jewish intelligence and acceptance of his culture and of others, shame zionists generally don't have the same mindset

[@paulheydarian1281]

What exactly is Jewish intelligence?🤔 Is there Christian intelligence? Is there Hindoo or Muslim intelligence?🤔

[@simonzabell9770]

Thank you for this interview. Professor Shlaim is all wisdom and goodwill, and the interviewer knows how to listen, when to talk and how to respect .

[@senscommun1792]

Love and respect for Avi Shlaim❤❤❤❤❤

[@Jean-rg4sp]

*Avi Shlaim has persuaded me to quit believing in a two-state solution and an acceptance of a one-state solution with equal rights for all.*

[@charlescaplan6168]

Like in Iraq today .. no Jews there now in 141 bagdad was 40% jewish

[@Jean-rg4sp]

@@charlescaplan6168 That is going back a while. 141BCE or 141 CE?

[@charlescaplan6168]

My mistake 1941

[@Jean-rg4sp]

@@charlescaplan6168 I am unsure of your point.

[@charlescaplan6168]

@@Jean-rg4sp the Palestinian position is ror ie control of Israeli immigration to get a Palestinian majority. In Israel over and above any land concessions BUT in all Islamic majority countries bathe Jewish population either all left or was drastically reduced

[@cdean2789]

Fascinating.

[@den264]

Mr. Patel, please bring on to your show, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro. The man who knows more about the difference between Zionism and Judaism than any. His book, " how Zionism hijacked Judaism " is a must read.

[@user-ph3hy4fp7m]

Alhamdulillah, this proves that there is no justification for the settler regime on any grounds whatsoever. As a descendant of Sephardic Jews and Muslims, I am a firm supporter of one state, Falastin, and there is no reason at all that Jews cannot live with an Arab majority other than the hideous obstruction that is Zionism and settlers' own internalized white supremacy. Al Aqsa must be respected and protected, there should be no construction of the fabled Temple of Solomon, and there cannot and should not be a Jewish state. The Nazi threat of the Holocaust has passed, at least for Ashkenazis; even though a number of them are participating in genocide currently, they are not being hunted down and murdered like Palestinians or Arabs more broadly since 9/11, if not longer

[@paulamarsh1]

That will be done when a church and synagogue and temple stand in Mecca and Medina. Islam allows for itself but is intolerant of others, and Judaism Christianity and Buddhism are far older than it ! Try to think of a group of Arabs for two thousand years in, say, Brazil. They might still be Muslim but they would have Native American DNA. Just like Sunni Shia are both Muslim, so we are all Jewish... Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi. Why deny Jews a state of our own ? Do you see Muslims dividing their capital cities ? You play the racist game - for shame ! Indonesians are Muslim but not Arab ...so your argument falls flat ! Jews, like Arabs, come in all colours ! Even Zuheir Mohsen of the PLO stated: "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons"... So ultimately, it's a religious issue : It rankles the Arab world that a successful Jewish state exists in their midst.

[@contact594]

"the fabled Temple of Solomon" that's the problem right there...denying Jewish connection

[@btjmrp]

What a wonderful episode. You posed and answered many questions I had and opened new avenues of enquiry. I will be reading Professor Shlaim books. Thank you so much.

[@maryamsukaynah559]

I have and read this book written by Avi Shlaim, very interesting😊

[@richardclark8656]

Wonderful hour long interview with Avi Schlaim

[@veronicaoliem3778]

This is a good information to understand what has been happening with Palestinians and Israel and the present situation. Thanks for the video an interview of the great Speaker/Professor

[@LadyBug1967]

Thank you for this podcast. I had heard Avi speak earlier on a different podcast and I enjoyed hearing him again express his views and explain his history. I have thought a lot about this and I think actually there are two solutions which I've actually commented on in other people's podcasts. I'll present their first one which may seem more within the realm of this world 😊which is to simply have one nation. IT will be called either Canaan and the people will be Canaanites or called the Levant and the people will be called Levantines. Within that Nation, will be Christians Jews and Muslims and other people, such as the Druze who live there now. This country will be modeled on Andalusia which existed for hundreds and hundreds of years in the south of Spain. IT might even be called the New Andalusia. IT will be a Renaissance of peoples--melding and merging their ideas and creating new ways of thinking in all the disciplines that exist. The people of the Jewish persuasion will finally find peace and they will also find brotherhood among the peoples living on this land. As Edward Said proposed-- all the land that is controlled by the government of Israel will be returned to the Palestinians but the land that is privately owned by Israelis will remain in the hands of the Israelis. The money to build this Nirvana, this new Andalusia, will come from the zionist state and all the money coming from the US will henceforth be funneled into the rebuilding of a country-- with NOTHING going to the army; NOTHING going to weapons and EVERYTHING going to peace and cultural endeavors, including business endeavors for the new inhabitants.We can have situations where talking heads get together from all the disciplines and they can really map out an absolutely marvelous Nation that all will envy. IF the zionists will NOT accept this plan, there is a second possibility: Right now in the seas off the coast of China, the Chinese have been building islands for some time and then they claim it as their territory and the water surrounding it as their territory. The zionists will need to find Waters that are not claimed by other nations but upon which they can build their own Island for only Jews, no other religion will be allowed, and they must train themselves to do the manual jobs currently done by PALESTINIANS & East Indians, etc. Historic Palestine will then be, as a matter of course, be returned to its natural state which was majority Muslim with some Christians usually of Arab extraction and with a few Jews also usually of Arab extraction. Zionists of a certain persuasion might truly enjoy this. The island itself will enjoy the protection of the seas which enabled England to rise to being a huge empire & also allowed Japan to become a powerful Nation even though it was sitting, across the waters from a huge Nation. Good luck 🤞

[@maryannechilds6459]

Avis wife is the daughter of loyld george both r palestian activists ❤. I luv his quiet voice.

[@lulusp1023]

Need to buy his books...all of them Freedom for Palestine now Long live Aaron Bushnell 💙

[@walterr205]

Palestine is the land of Israel Fyi. All the people who were living there migrated from other Arab countries also Fyi

[@michag5561]

Bless this Man!🙏❤️

[@nickxcore74]

I could listen to Avi for hours, he has such a calm and soothing voice. If anyone is knowledgeable on the subject of Israel and Palestine it’s brilliant academics like Avi Shlaim and Norman Finkelstein.

[@crystalkarma2015]

It's simple, I see Avi Schlaim, I click. 😊

[@nasirfazal5440]

What a lovely professor. Thank you to keep the truth about history. ...Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA

[@OneSixSun]

Protect Prof Avi Shlaim at all costs. The voice of sanity.

[@yuraulmateenadnan9696]

that was very refreshing and uplifting

[@ireneghannage7306]

Fascinating story. Thank you for sharing

[@robertlande3033]

Such a kind, gentle, and learned man with an important perspective on the situation. He condemned Israel’s brutality but I wish he had said something about Palestinian violence. I suppose he thinks it’s justified. The one state solution is a distant dream at this point.

[@KeithWilliamMacHendry]

What a lovely lovely man is Avi Shlaim ♥

[@EHDROCK]

Great show Islam Channel, good for you and Avi Shlaim is accurate on all points. Listen carefully people. This crap did not start on Oct 7th.

[@dr.florence]

I had a boyfriend whose dad was born in the 30s in Egypt. His parents were Jewish "gypsies" (according to himself) from North-Africa and the Iberian peninsula. He revelled at this mixedness. He himself grew up speaking Arabic and a bunch of other languages here and there because Egypt was so lively and cosmopolitan at the time. He said one day, someone canme and asked what nationality the family was, and they said French, just randomly. Their neighbours said Italian, other English. But they didn't at all identify as that. I think they gave them passports then, because they had just been living their life without such ideas as nationalities before. When he was 18, Nasser came into power and Jews left, so he went to France although he had no connection at all to Judaism. When I visited them at home, Samy and I sat chatting and my eye fell on a shelf onto a slender book in Arabic. The spine was crumpled so you could tell he had been reading it a lot. It was a bit of a shock because it was such a beautiful reminder that he was, in fact, Middle Eastener (as am I). His life story really taught me about the artificial nature of borders and about how mixing is always better and more humane. Thank you for this conversation!

[@YvonneKennedy-lu2uc]

Palestinians have the right to resist occupation and the right to defend themselves from the occupiers

[@OneSixSun]

Prof Avi's point about the difference in self-identity of the Arab Sephardic Jews and the European Ashkenazi Jews and how the former was subsumed upon living in Israel, is so very important. Thank you, Prof, for that enlightening nugget.

[@aniketnimbalkar1609]

He is such a gentle person. Always like to hear what he has to say.

[@OneSixSun]

So utterly fulfilling to listen to a well-conducted interview devoid of interruptions by the host, haranguing by the host and raised voices. Piers Morgan, watch and learn.

[@anasofialulo7808]

Muy interesante este escritor judío,uno entiende la diferencia...de unos y Otros..en una comunidad no todos son iguales y no debemos juzgar le,ni valorar a todos igual... Dios le cuide y guarde❤

[@milakowalski4539]

Congratulations for this interview!

[@Cecile140]

Ottoman Empire and El Andaluz were both ideal frameworks for a peaceful cohabitation of several religious and ethnic groups. Islam has been a very tolerant project when it came coexistence of different peoples in history. By the way, the essence of Christianity is also non-violence!!

[@contact594]

Sure, if you ignore all the pogroms Jews suffered under Muslim rule.