AVOID This Common Mistake in ONLINE POKER

[@BlackRain79Poker]

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[@BlackRain79Poker]

Hey John, you beat NL10 for 12bb/100 before rake or after rake? In poker we typically only talk about win rates after rake.

[@fundiver198]

@@nicolozaniolobedankt PokerTracker show your winrate after, the rake is deducted. Not sure why you are not seeing your bankroll go up, if you are crushing the games at 12 BB / 100.

[@fundiver198]

@@nicolozaniolobedankt 5% rake is pretty typical for online poker, and yeah at stakes like 10NL it does tend to kill you, since you rarely hit the max rake per pot, as you do at higher limits. PokerStars only charge 4,5% for 10NL, but the field is not exactly softer than at 888. This is just the way it is honestly, until perhaps one day you make it into mid or high stakes.

[@fundiver198]

@@nicolozaniolobedankt It is 5% exactly or more specifically 1c per 20c. The last big pot, I won, was 20,45$, and they took 1,02$ in rake. The numbers are shown in the PT4 replayer. And yeah like 80% of the players are regs, but that is also the case - if not more - on PokerStars. I have only played at 888 for 3 weeks, and I managed to play some 20NL, before they merged 20 and 30 NL into 25 NL. And yeah right now it seem like, nobody wants to play 25NL at 888, and since I have also lost, since I moved to 888, I am mostly playing 10NL at the moment.

[@fundiver198]

@@nicolozaniolobedankt No I am not from Canada, and I do not play full time. I have a normal day job. And yeah split pots, when both players have the nuts, cost a lot of rake.

[@JayakrishnanNairOmana]

Hard to say who played this hand fishier. The "hero" who 4-bet 65s with just less than one spr behind effective and no fold equity, then "trapped" with his monster pair of 5s all the way, or the villain who called half of his stack with AK instead of shipping it in pre. Battle of the clowns, congrats one won.

[@VaultTecc]

You are the best source of learning poker in youtube hands down without even a comparison possible. I'm sorry to say i am happy you have so little amount of viewers and subscribers :p

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha thanks for watching Yes No I am working on increasing the subs though :P

[@ryand8338]

It's a strong implied odds hand like a low pocket pair. Those hands benefit from large stack to pot ratios where you can shovel in money post-flop if you drill a nutted hand. 4-betting in this situation dramatically lowers the SPR, which reduces the playability of low suited connectors. It just does not make sense with this hand.

[@Richixx98]

Nathan in the end we dont really even want you to get too many views because that would chnage these type of poker games and make them difficult for us again :D

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha well I can understand that! :)

[@TheWakeUpChannel]

i call this the durr effect at the micros. trying to employ fancy play when it doesnt translate

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Haha the durrrr effect I like it!

[@colintoft2408]

I've never shuck my head at a hand so much 🤣

[@alexyan951]

Same man exactly...

[@gesus.christ99]

Wtf I've just seen

[@jamesgleeson6538]

When one gets quads and is mysteriously kicked from table on a facebook game called Ultimate poker sickens me...I really dont understand whhy they do this,,its happened a number times too and is frustrating,,,especially when i know noone else had a cchance of winning. Its the principle..should I just go elsewhere?

[@cata9223]

Hey just a heads up you actually check down here if you’re deep stacked. because you need to disguise your interest in the hand incase he is holding an over pair and decides to bomb you on the flop.

[@Jonasjordan1]

Great video and analyse. Just found your channel a week back so dont give up, with this content you are gonna get more subscribers but ofcourse Poker is really a niche on youtube unless as you said ppl wanna see just the high dollar games... Great channel, happy i found you!

[@shiftaiignmoving4588]

Thank you for this tip and demonstration! Helped a lot. I'm looking forward to using your techniques when I play with real money. For now, I am still practicing with your books next to me.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad this video helped you Shift! Hope my books help you more :)

[@johndirom8999]

I'd rather fold than 4-bet with 65s in this situation!

[@laterkijken6423]

true, not vs the sb alone tho

[@shivasirons6159]

Saw the thumbnail and am curious, why online ? Is it different from live?

[@blakefredrickson6506]

Nathan - question on the preflop 3bet call. I heard from Jonathan Little that you need effective stack to be 20x larger than bet size (or in this case, raise size which is 35 cents) for it to be mathematically justified playing a low suited connector. Seems like a stretch to call this one since effective is less than 7x, but maybe it’s worth it because it’s multi-way?

[@mick727xd]

This is probably about right if you're trying to make a straight or flush with it, and being able to realise showdown equity. But in-position, you're able to narrow the opponents range more quickly, control the pot and potentially bluff with these hands (meaning you're able to realise your equity more effectively than your opponent), especially when the board fits your range better. Most hands in poker are played without the two hands ever being shown.

[@TheWakeUpChannel]

i wouldnt even played this pre or just flat that 3 bet

[@rickblackdog]

I wouldn't even be opening 65s from MP, esp if you know there's a likelihood you'll get 4B

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Definitely a valid point. Beginners in particular do not need to be opening this hand from MP.

[@jamesteed9850]

Do you have a pay course where you actually give online lesson videos with information that you don't give out here for free? So far you are the only one I can tolerate, I tend to lose focus with the other guys because they tend to ramble a lot and not stay on topic. Thanks for all you do.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Hey James, yes I have links for everything in the description for this video.

[@fernandorapalo587]

Can I play in PokerStars from anywhere in usa?

[@Fixundfertig1]

From my perspective, I stop slow playing hands and since then I started to talk more to my friends about crazy calls and less about bad beats. I mean, for real, an all-in call for 1/3 of the pot on the river, with a K high busted flush draw, he was just playing the board plus K high, not even A high, and he called anyway!! What the hell was he thinking about? I 3bet him preflop and on the flop I bet 2/3 pot on two more players, I was screaming I had AA

[@MLBlanc-mh4pw]

Nathan you are awesome. Love everything about your videos and learning a lot

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks Miguel glad I could help you! :)

[@gideonbolt8068]

i did like vid, one thing missing you didn't try to guess opponents hand as the board progressed, I had it down to KK, QQ, JJ & AK

[@liveslowlivesimple]

villain bets any of those pairs. he clearly had non paired overcards

[@nicks210684]

@@liveslowlivesimple yeah, JJ, QQ and KK would all bet the turn after hero checks. So when he checks the turn it seems blatantly obvious his hand is AK or maybe AQ suited.

[@compphysgeek]

watching how hero played this hand I have to say it is a crime that pokerstars isolated Iberian players from the player pool.

[@sergiotl7378]

lol, as an iberian I couldn't agree more.

[@Stafford674]

So what was the mistake? Checking at the Turn, Under-Repping the Hand, or playing the hand in the first place?

[@bgymn-fn8jy]

actually all of em. bottom pair is better than ace high but thats it. so he played it kinda as wrong as possible and induced the bluff shove in the end while being ahead of nothing just a slight bit. it could be a total noob wondering how this turned out so great for him or a pro trolling nathan's hand reviews ;) very entertaining for sure.

[@dspurlock82]

How can you play poker online for real money in the states if you don't live in Nevada or new jersey?

[@BlackRain79Poker]

There are plenty of options. Also, there are 194 other countries to choose from.

[@arshaanfur]

"I'm never going to be famous on KZbin" That's where you're wrong king ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I can dream haha!

[@arshaanfur]

Thank you for making my weekends fun earning small pocket change against fish :D You've made microstates like positive EV slots.

[@zielonysniper1547]

THANK YOU for all your videos.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad you like them!

[@HomeStudioBasics]

I don't know; maybe I'm a donk but i just shove the flop. I mean, you bloat the pot pf with the Fancy play syndrome and there's 4.50 in the middle and you have a less-than-pot size bet left with a pair. It's unlikely he hit that flop and I just want the money that's there. What exactly was the plan if not to get the money in if you hit? I'm not really understanding this hand from hero's perspective. Heck, he may even call with AK thinking you missed and he has the best hand. I've been in many situations where I stacked someone who had nothing because he was irritated that I shipped it and didn't believe me. Fish call with all sorts of dumb shit on flops like this.

[@mmasters180]

Generally agree with the review, but I honestly think any bet postflop commits us to the pot so why not just get it all in and exert maximum fold equity. Getting it in on the flop looks like a standard c-bet, and if villain didn't want to ship AK preflop, why would he want to continue with it to the turn if he missed? Getting it in on the turn allows Hero to represent a set that turned into a 4bet bluff and wanted to give villain a chance to bluff. And on the river, you're in a disgusting spot where you're getting over 3:1 odds on a call with a bluff catching hand. I'm not sure you can really ever fold given how fishy villain is and how wide his 4bet calling range is (and the fact it's capped not to include AA and maybe KK!!!) You're right though that this is a super gross hand that shouldn't be played this way against a fishy rec as a 4bet bluff

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Hey Wasteland, my thinking with the tiny bet on the flop is to get him to do something silly like shove AK.

[@fundiver198]

If he somehow have 66-99, he is almost certainly snapping us off, if we jam. So if we bet here, we should be targeting his overcards, and the best way to induce mistakes from overcards is to check or bet small.

[@mmasters180]

I just think Hero got himself onto a branch of the decision tree that he really shouldn't have, and that Villain's 4bet range is doing fairly well against a naked pair of 5s (99-QQ, AQs AK KQs) gives us a coinflip situation +-5% equity. If we bet small, we allow Villain to call his draws for cheap and also sacrifice fold equity on later streets. If Villain is willing to shove over the top of our small bet, calling is only around breakeven, and we'll be racing. I very much doubt Villain folds the flop to a small bet very often. As we're giving odds to draws and possibly even overs to improve. I believe it is better for us to simply rip it in on the flop, give the worst odds to draws that we can, exert maximum pressure on pocket pairs, huge draws. Even if we lose every time he calls us, he only needs to fold 40% for us to make money. And if instead we add Villain's drawing hands in, we only need 17% of folds to print money! That's my though process. I just think it maximises EV while giving Hero the greatest chance to win the pot

[@engstrom3431]

thanks for the video :)

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!

[@nicks210684]

Terrible bet by villain on the river surely? JJ/QQ surely bet the turn. As do AA/KK assuming he doesn’t shove those hands preflop. It seems blatantly obvious his hand is AK. And also seems like a classic spot where no better hand is folding and no worse hand is calling. Unless he’s hoping to get hero to fold AK.

[@lexdijua]

Up. Thanks

[@IanWheldale]

Given what stack you have left on the flop wouldn't it make more sense to 4-bet shove preflop if you insist on 4-betting at all?

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I think shoving preflop is probably suicide here against a maniac rec haha. However, I should have mentioned that the 4Bet preflop is over-sized in my opinion as well. I think if we are going to 4Bet here (I don't like it with this hand as mentioned), $1.50 or even $1.20 accomplishes the same thing and doesn't pot commit us as much.

[@IanWheldale]

@@BlackRain79Poker Ok agreed. Maybe I should have said if we 4-bet as much as the hero here did. You are almost pot committed if you hit that flop in any way with less than a pot sized bet left.

[@artificialintelligence598]

@@BlackRain79Poker If he 4bet 1.20$, villian 2 has to call 70 cents to win a pot of 2.90$. This means that he only needs roughly 25% chance to win it, which is always granted, unless it is overpair vs underpair/2 lower cards in a heads up. So any ax would have to call, since he is holding a blocker to aa overpair. For villain 3 it is an even easier decision since he also has to call 70 cents to win a pot of 3.60$, if villain 2 has also called. He would only need 20% chance to win the pot, which is almost always granted in a 3 way pot, unless both of the other players have nuts and never bluff. This means that mathematically you would achieve nothing with a 3bet of 1.20$, while with a 3bet of 2$ you can get some fold equity. This obviously assumes that your opponents do apply maths aswell.

[@JoshGrayUni]

Do we have hud stats for Villain 3? Not feeling great about his cold call, would probably just fold preflop in this spot, unless he is crazy like Villain 2

[@BlackRain79Poker]

I don't think Joao gave me any HUD stats for villain 3.

[@Timmevds]

You have position on 2 players with a suited connector getting a good price, I think folding preflop would be the worst option...

[@JoshGrayUni]

@@Timmevds Yeah I guess I'm just weary of baby connectors three ways if Villain 3 is competent cause his range is pretty narrow and definitely ahead of ours. Sure we're getting good odds and good implied odds if we hit the flop... I don't know, without the betting lead too, what do you do on that same flop if Villain 2 C bets and Villain 3 calls. Guess I don't trust my game enough postflop so want to stear clear of those kinds of situations

[@Timmevds]

In my experience on these stakes those 3bet cold calls are very often hands like 99 tt jj aq, which you are behind indeed but, you're just getting such great odds. And if villain 2 cbets and villain 3 calls I'd probably just fold

[@fundiver198]

@@JoshGrayUni I prefer to make the call, but folding to the 3-bet would not be a big mistake. It keep you out of trouble and protect you from making potentially costly mistakes postflop.

[@CARNA6E]

I actually really don't like this video Nathan's analysis is insanely good, but I'd like no one ever to see this video, I love when regs give me free rivers like that As played, the line that Nathan suggests on the flop is stupid good, I'd actually bet smth like $1.10 and if villain calls get it in on that super safe turn (that turn is actually amazing for us) PS.: Probably one of the best Nathan's videos in terms of hand analysis

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks Alexander I am glad you enjoyed my analysis in this hand. Although I agree this hand could have been played better.

[@tobiaskarl4939]

He played lottery and had luck and won ...

[@he--ru362]

Great content Nathan,even if its been 3 yrs 👌

[@BlackRain79Poker]

No prob, glad my poker videos are helping you!

[@he--ru362]

@@BlackRain79Poker heck yeah,they are!!!recent bumps in the road,but I keep it going. Thanks for reaching out again.

[@user-xr4bq3eo7s]

Great analysis!

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thank you sir!

[@jassonlove5221]

If i saw this guy 4 bet with 65s i was like what the h*ll is this. Im not even open 65s MP. Does this guy gave you hes stats? Looks like hes also some 40 VPIP guy. Yes result looks good but playing like this will drag you down sooner or later. Oh and sorry for my bad english.

[@arshaanfur]

Yea 56s open raising MP is sus

[@nicks210684]

Depending on the table dynamics I’ll open 65s in a 6 max game from UTG or HJ. It’s on the looser end but it’s not crazy. I wouldn’t be 4 betting it though. If I got 3-bet by someone with position on my I’m just letting it go. If the blinds 3 bet me like in this hand I’ll probably see a flop.

[@D1G1TALFOX]

Thanks Nathan G G . . . 🦊 😎

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks as always for watching Dfox :)

[@ytlongbeach]

way more than 2k views now!

[@Dark_Angel555]

Joao from Spain... if you see this comment ... are you still the same guy from Alan Roger Currie patreon subscribers ? If you are... what a small world :))

[@alancooper3982]

4 bet with 65s is just silly

[@AdamYoudell]

4-bet pre was stupid checking on the flop, nah. it's not that bad as you're getting a free card & avoiding a checkraise. Still, he's repping a huge hand like AA/KK so I'd rather bet it (still should not have 4-bet that hand to begin with) Hard to comment on the rest of it as pre and flop were played so bad, had to call the riv as there's too much in the middle to fold now. If he(villian) has the winner oh well. played very poorly and invested WAAAY too much in 65h Just call the 3bet there in position with a nice drawing hand!

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Hey Adam, I agree, much better to just flat pre.

[@alancooper3982]

waste of time analysing 1c 2c games who gives a toss?

[@alexatedw]

Nah. This is 4 bet or fold pre

[@alexatedw]

The guy in between is dead money. He’s capped. You have position and you want to keep your range uncapped vs v1

[@alexatedw]

This is a 1/3 pot bet with full range on flop

[@alexatedw]

I’d make. 3/4 bet on turn after the 1/3 c bet on flop

[@alexatedw]

If he calls twice I check back river. As played you probably call

[@josephgrusel8556]

I find it funny you guys analyze $5 pot hands

[@BlackRain79Poker]

These are the stakes that most people actually play :)

[@techotopo]

I disliked this play so much from beginning to end that I almost downvoted the video (I didn’t)

[@LadyLeiaRowan]

Using hud and poker tracker should be illegal. You are ruining a great game!!!

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Glad my poker videos are helping you, thanks for watching!

[@truetrue2963]

Hero and villain are definitely the 2 types of players u make all your poker winnings from lol both butchers at the game

[@UnknownUser988]

Noob play...

[@adrian666777]

Im pretty sure if you check our hero long-term graph he is stacked as fuck. That was played absolutely shity. There was totally no logic in his plays and i would love to face this kind of guy at my table. Im sorry to say that but i feel like Hero was pressing random buttons hoping to win something.

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Thanks for your thoughts A.S., I wouldn't put it that harshly though haha! I think Joao was trying to take a non-standard line here but in my opinion this is too fancy for the micros.

[@benlysne]

Both of those plays are bad IMO

[@BlackRain79Poker]

Definitely not the standard line, thanks for your thoughts Ben!

[@nicks210684]

So how should villain play his AK differently? 3-bet preflop from small blind seems mandatory. Calling the 4-bet seems standard as well. Unless we’re just saying 5-bet shove? As played checking the flop also seems standard. Once hero checks back flop it seems like we’re up against AK as well. Is it worth jamming turn to see if we can fold hero out of a chop?

[@sisusdk]

Using this KZbinrs tips om how to win at microstates poker just lost med 40dollars. Dont listen to this amature poker player!!!

[@postlezone-god5173]

Honestly mathematicallyi dont think you should open 6-5 suited from MP and you definitely should never call a 3bet with that hand- its just losing money in the long run - the one time when you can call there is if the stacksizes are deep like 200bb+, but you have to be good player and still when you flop a flushdraw you are going to be dominated and getting stacked by nutflush or K high flush - and 4betting this hand 100bb stack is terrible. Blackraine you said that you have to call the river - Really with a fuckin 3th pair in a 4bet pot - he gets lucky that the guy has AK- thats the only combo that he beats in a 4bet pot - its bad call- we are not going to talk about ranges on the river couse this hand is ridiculous - overall just fold pre !

[@BlackRain79Poker]

While this is true from a strict mathematical sense we do have to play hands like suited connectors in order to get more action with our other value hands. Also, versus a fish in the blinds, I think the profitability goes up.

[@postlezone-god5173]

@@BlackRain79Poker ofcourse you can play suited connectors , but you have to be good at poker- this guy is not good - against a fish yeahh- but for a new players its a bad idea- he is going to lose a lot of money - look at the hand- he is paying 100bb with 3th p air in a 4bet pot- this is not how poker works - sorry

[@nicks210684]

Regards the river call...the only hand he beats that should be in a 4 bet pot is AK. But the only hand that checks the turn after we check the flop is surely also AK? AA, KK and QQ are surely all betting the turn for value. That’s if they don’t just 5 bet shove preflop. So AK is pretty much the only hand that makes sense for villain.