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It is still legal in the United States to send children to "conversion therapy" camps which enact acts of torture (as defined by the United Nations) on queer children. I interviewed a survivor of this system in VRChat.

[@JP_21_]

Hey yall I just wanna say I thank everyone who shows their support towards me. This day (12/12/2022) marks my 21st and marks my first birthday and my true self. I have fought through several trial tribulations to get where i am. But i made it. I am very glad to have the friends and community and I couldn't wish for a better birthday present. - Love, Jennifer Edit: Seeing the video gaining traction really brightens my day. Florida and the south as a whole has significantly gone down hill in terms of laws restricting trans rights and LGBTQ+ community, so please if anything make sure to follow the news from Erin Reed, her substack page is filled with useful info. And if anything shoot a dollar to my boy Azeal's patreon, you may even meet me and other cool folk to chat with! - With Love, Jennifer

[@Azeal]

Hell yeah, love u gaymer

[@ZudinGodofWar]

Your now old enough to drink, but if you don't mind, may I ask a few questions?

[@radioactiveskies9978]

Happy birthday u amazing human!! hoping you get that big mac

[@Nerfboy-NEO]

Happy birthday

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

Happy Birthday Jennifer. Sorry all of this happened to you and hope you keep fighting on.

[@thenewseorarek9625]

Crazy that there are people who will actually defend torture and think that THEY'RE the ones who are going to heaven

[@GTSW1FT]

Oh the devil is going to have fun torturing them

[@jmdesertadventures803]

@@GTSW1FT if he were real that wouldn't be the case. If the devil were real then God would be as well which would imply that God allows these things to happen. The fact that it happens in the name of God is proof against him.

[@foreststeel8842]

@@jmdesertadventures803 that or God is either not all knowing, not all powerful, or evil

[@colt1903]

@@foreststeel8842 Or he doesn't give a shit. Which is a quality I can respect in most people.

[@shivertheiguana]

Personally I believe this isn’t what god wants but instead people using the bible as a tool, a weapon if you will. In religion it is up too the person (and the parents if they want to) to deter stuff like the LGBTQ+ I myself and religious but Also genderfluid and Bi but I believe as long as i keep believing in god and seek forgiveness I will be forgiven but thats just me

[@Chloroxite]

Conversion therapy has no basis in reality and does nothing but break humans. It should be utterly banned in it's entirety, and those involved immediately arrested and thrown in prison.

[@lilly.s9158]

nah they should be forced to hear as many stories as they can find and asked "would jesus do this? would he do the same to you if you strayed the path?" and have life in prison specifically for humanely and kindly helping them. torture and death isn't the punishment, that's just more cruelty I would never wish pain on anyone, even murderers and torturers, but I do agree they should be arrested.

[@vidal9747]

Totally illegal for psychologists to endorse or partake in it in my country. They permanently lose their license if they are ever caught doing it.

[@DrunkedOwly]

It doesn't even work

[@zero69kage]

"She's holding on to a son that never existed," that hit me so hard. That's what I've been trying to tell my own mom for so long. It sucks to have complicated feelings for your parents. My mom is the person I love most, but she has also done a lot of horrible things to me. All of it in the name of "helping" me. But all it achieved was to make it even less likely for me to ever turn out the way she needed me to.

[@lavendeerpuyotet4813]

I feel that line too. I had to leave my family and become homeless in Seattle since it was legitimately better then the constant shame twords me and the lack of people I could trust and confide in. even my siblings who i trust more than anyone and are some of the best people I ever knew I can't talk to since I never know what they'll tell my parents.

[@RlXXIA]

@@lavendeerpuyotet4813i hope you're doing well now!

[@landon2614]

closeted gay teen here. my dad supports and donates to conversion camps and regularly uses the same phrases that your dad used, even searching my phone and doing other things of that nature. i'm glad that you could come through this experience alive and well. i've always known the, uh, other route, as my only option if i ever get found out.

[@Grimmyr]

I Wish you only the best, man. I know you can get through whatever comes your way, even if its the worst. As alone as you may feel in your life, there are people somewhere for you. Never give up on yourself.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

Hey. While I'm not LGBT. I did suffer in foster care throughout my formative years. Never assume your life is over because of what's happening in the here and now. I was miserable and treated like crap by my foster brother. When I got out on my own, I was so much happier and free. It's tough to say "just wait" when your suffering now. But it's what I had to do and trust me, it does get better.

[@catboysephiroth560]

Old comment, but you've got this. It feels hopeless, I know, and survival is a struggle. One day you will not just be a survivor, one day you will flourish and thrive and exist in queer joy and the love you deserve. You never should have been made to worry for your safety or been rejected. Find ways to curate your own happiness outside of your house, maybe take up an artistic skill or something crafty or skillwork. Anything to keep your hands busy, make it seem like your mind is elsewhere. Use a hobby as a disguise. If you get any queer-related items, don't store them at home. Hide them in a box and bury it somewhere you can frequent or with someone you can trust. Make that closet as comfortable as you can, while you wait for the opportunity to kick better things into motion. We see you, we love you, and please stay safe. You deserve better, it just takes time. You aren't alone.

[@stinky-smelly]

It isn't your only option if you get found out. You can run. Please do anything within your power before resulting to that option. There are organizations meant to protect queer homeless youth, people out there who would help you without knowing you, and you deserve life. There are always options in life, death removes any choice. If you'd like, I'd love to try to find you resources in your country. Again, you deserve life, and you deserve to be loved. It's a disgusting failing on your father's part that you feel unsafe. You will make it out of this. I know I'm just an internet guy but I care about you and I hope you get out safely. ❤

[@_stupidbro]

Felt. I know it's been 3 months since this comment, but a reminder: things can and often do get better. Survive, so you can live to thrive. Much love from a bi sister in Oklahoma

[@mindassassin]

I'm no physician, but I'm like 99% percent sure that 3-4 hours in an ice bath is more than sufficient to cause death by hypothermia. I'm also 99% sure that if this happened to POWs, it would be a war crime.

[@kittenmimi5326]

Have been forced to do 2 but 4 is just wtf can't imagine... The screwed up thing is that, she said that they monitor the kids though like just before they get hypothermia they maybe pull the kid out for a couple minutes to "warm up" and thow them back in just so they wouldn't be held liable. That's probably why the kids doesn't suffer from hypothermia or smth else that could get em into legal trouble...

[@Fl4kFire]

i only take ice baths after a boxing tournament can't imagine doing it for 4 hours though

[@truewhissan]

@@vir00 I can hear genuine distress in her voice. Not fake crocodile tears. If you have two ears and a lick of wisdom, you'd hear it too.

[@truewhissan]

@@vir00 I mean no offense. But I honestly can't decipher what your message is saying. Try to rehash it more comprehensively please.

[@usernameisusernam]

@@vir00 even if this specific story isn't true (which I doubt) shit like this still happens

[@Maceman486]

This girl is far more forgiving of people than I could ever bring myself to be.

[@Azeal]

Same.

[@Cr4z3d]

Ironically makes her much more "Christian" than her family could ever hope to be

[@maxwhite8616]

She is like a dog we don't deserve her

[@tacticallemon7518]

@@Cr4z3d This is what i find ironic about christians, or, at least, american conservative christians I myself am agnostic, but even i understand that christianity is all about tolerance, because God is the only one who can pass judgement

[@noddarkwolf]

her forgivness has forgivness. i wish i had that much forgivness

[@TripAyes]

Holy fuck, I'm a 40 year old amputee, dad of 2 kids, who has seen and been through some shit but this? This is absolute insanity. I'm just in tears that anyone could do this to their child. Jennifer, I hope you find peace, love, healing, and joy. I can't even imagine the road you've been on or the road you still have left to travel - but you're on the other side of the hardest part. You'll make it, for sure. I believe in you. -Mike

[@BlackbeltHitoshi]

I hope she learns her lesson to not be gay again..

[@TripAyes]

@@playernotfound9489 What? Drop F bombs from time to time? Yeah, sometimes I do - also taught them that "swear words are harmless unless you use them towards a person". They are also well into their teens, I'm sure they have heard far worse.

[@neolordie]

sometimes they know, sometime they don't, they're ignorant and get tricked by their church or by the staff of those conversion therapy

[@subalt2586]

You seem like an amazing person. Thank you sir.

[@itsmefirefox]

We need to make this illegal, this is torture. Why are people ok with this.

[@Azeal]

yep...

[@Vekstar]

Because they belive your eternal soul is more valuable than the physical life you live.

[@reptilesarecool9763]

Religion that’s why

[@billcipher8645]

​@@Vekstarconversion theraphy doesn't work and "eternal" life doesn't exist, grow up and cope

[@Vekstar]

@@billcipher8645 that's not my opinion tho, I'm just asserting there's.

[@lashmoney5293]

Im a Christian, and every day I always ask myself, "What ever happened to love thy neighbor?"

[@KBMoonlight]

Didn't god say to love everyone, even if they're doing something against his law?

[@labbit3574]

You see, they aren’t really Christians, they say they are Christians so they can take gods words and twist them to their content to make bullshit reasons for their actions

[@tone618]

Pick and choose the rules you want. One here there and over there. Sometimes they apply sometimes they don't

[@littlemoth4956]

@@tone618 More accurately, rules apply until they don’t.

[@ShudowWolf]

"Ice bath thy neighbor"

[@roasdrubale9137]

Listening through this, I felt like I was hearing a recount from someone who had undergone military torture. I have no fucking clue how this is remotely legal, I hope you’re doing fine today. I personally am a straight cis person, and I don’t want to lie and say I know what you have gone through or possibly are still going through, but to think that this is done to children just for being who they are horrifies me. I seriously hope that you are doing fine today, you are a heroine for having survived this.

[@tentative_flora2690]

I have a new friend who has literal PTSD from war, bombs going of, people dying in front of him. We share shockingly similar symptoms of trauma. All I went through was a religious cult. Yeah there was torture, most of it was brainwashing to cause self inflicted torture in the congregation. Interesting what people will do in the name of God. Some most days it feels like I am in a war. Being I live in the bible belt, it's impossible to get away from someone trying to get me back into a cult. I have as of yet undiagnosed CPTSD, had a therapist agree but I don't have official paperwork on it. But it's obvious to me now that I know what it is. It explains the dissociation, the flashbacks, how my day can completely be ruined by something as simple as someone saying "Jesus loves you" in casual interaction. I live in Tennessee. They said they were in Florida. This whole quarter, maybe even half of the US is fucked up.

[@derpherpington3129]

i actually had an ex-friend participate in these atrocities, and let me tell you what; I found out, and now he drinks liquified steaks through a goddamn straw, and still looks like a picasso. i believe that as penance for an adult causing children to go through this kind of sadistic nightmare, a couple dozen teeth isn't a bad trade. and two fingers that are mangled to the point i don't doubt he had them removed when they reconstructed his face.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

At least in the military this level of hazing in line with torture is only reserved for sec ops. And they don't prevent you from quitting and leaving those programs.

[@microArc]

​@@jacobrzeszewski6527at least with spec ops, this kind of traumatic desensitization training is likely to prepare those soldiers for the horrors that a deranged enemy might subject them to in a worst-case... in other words, as fucked as it is, at least it serves a measurable purpose

[@christopheriman4921]

@@microArc Even then it is still morally questionable to do because the only reason we "need" those sorts of people trained for that is so that it gives a military advantage to do it and I already disagree with the notion that a military is strictly necessary for society to function.

[@thesewinggeekmiri9029]

what I can't understand is how her mother can say "you were safe here" knowing full well that her eldest child beat her middle child to a bloody pulp, b/c said middle child didn't mach their expectations of being "man enough" or "good enough for the military" I'm sure that Jennifer's mother did the best she could, within the restrictions of their homelife, and skewed religious beliefs. But her best wasn't good enough. your parents are supposed to love you. They're supposed to raise you, and nurture you, and raise you to be a good, kind, respectful human being equally worthy of respect. They're *supposed to protect you. * And they not only failed her, but became part of the threat.

[@Azeal]

Amazing comment, couldn't have said it better myself.

[@velocityraptor2890]

it is my belief that when you take upon the duty of raising a child or children (either through birth or adoption), that you essentially sign a pact stating "i am my child/children's safe zone/comfort zone for anything that may trouble them, be it physical, mental, and/or emotional", the importance of this "pact" is such that it ensures the child's overall wellbeing and development throughout the years allowing them to grow up to become well adjusted individuals. by breaking this pact of trust with your child or children you sever the bond of trust you have with them. the sheer levels of trauma that this severance causes is scarring and life changing (as we can see here), and it is why i so FIRMLY believe in the sheer importance of ensuring that EVERY SINGLE EMOTION your child or children has is at the very least validated. even if their reasons for having these feelings are "dumb" or "unjustifiable" it is of the utmost importance that they are allowed to have these feelings, to express them, to voice them. i know i dont have kids (yet) so take what i say with a grain of salt, but believe me when i tell you that empathy is one of the most important elements to child raising.

[@bing_crilling8981]

@@velocityraptor2890 this. i honestly think parents who fail their children like this deserve prison time.

[@MsZsc]

@@bing_crilling8981 i bet you wouldn't want to watch knowing better's video on christian scientists

[@bing_crilling8981]

@@MsZsc oh god

[@Tree-House69]

Everything she said about elements of the family, not being able to trust anyone because you never knew who would hear or see what, etc, hits home so hard

[@Azeal]

it's all too common of a story :(

[@onyxlpolar689]

Almost like a totalitarian government

[@Pycoon17]

I'm a 29 y/o Cis Het male in Texas, but whatever children I may bring up, I want to bring them into a world that will accept any life they want to lead. I'm sorry that some people don't receive the love they are entitled to as children, but I hope to be the change I want to see in the future.

[@guydudedudeguy9030]

Thank you for wanting to be that change.

[@seantaggart7382]

Im a cishet in mn Let it be known This is disharmonic *And i will use the elements of harmony to Shut down this HATE*

[@zlambyd6874]

im not from texas but i think texas could use more people like you

[@Boo-qg9fj]

@@badrott8028 yeah most of us don’t fuck with none of that far right, puritanical bullshit. It’s mainly politicians and delusional older people who make it hard for everyone else down here.

[@rhael42]

if you want to bring kids into a world that will accept them, don't raise them in Texas

[@Wontonsss]

Conversion therapy is terrifying. Glad you survived, you’re a f*cking trooper.

[@ieajackson5518]

And yet some still want them to be legal…

[@mileselon1339]

Ironically, Republican as I am, Conversion therapy is quite a threat to our constitution as far as I'm aware. Good to know he has passed through that.

[@AC_memes]

Seriously this Should be illegal

[@mileselon1339]

@@AC_memes frankly if you ask me forcing anyone to convert to basically anything against their will should be illegal.

[@DeXyfero]

@@mileselon1339you are the good kind of republican

[@user-vf2rj7lx8m]

I am a devout Christian. I have never heard what happens in conversion therapy before. This had me absolutely appalled. The fact that people can do such evils to literal children and claim to do so in the Name of God disgusts me. They sully His Good Name. I pray that the victims of this torture will be able to find peace, and that God will make Himself known to the perpetrators of this abuse. Thank you for sharing this experience, it really opened my eyes. Edit: As someone has mentioned replying to this comment, there are enough people sending empty wishes. If you are reading this comment and feel similarly to me, please do what you can to help your community and fix the evil you see. Thanks.

[@anonymouspersonthefake]

unfathomably based christian

[@deletodraw1944]

^^

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@anonymouspersonthefake unfathomably based pfp there

[@iamsiley]

I'm irreligious, but I can still appreciate a nice wholesome comment like this. Respect and kindness is a funny thing, I guess.

[@therealkoolhero2762]

FAX

[@ymaneceaiul]

And then conservatives be like "OMg OMgGG ProTeCT tHE CHIldRen" and proceed to do this. i hate the fuckign world

[@Azeal]

Yep... ugh

[@TheSuicune7]

Conservatives don’t give two shits about children. It pisses me off when they use this defenseless and voiceless group to spread violence and hate

[@lilly.s9158]

"protect the children" *proceed to abuse and torture them*

[@mccoytheboy3858]

I would call myself a conservative, but this is still bad. A proper parent who loves their child should accept them regardless. When they said their father said "I hope you changed." that isn't love. You shouldn't change for the people who love you. It's just terrible to hear about.

[@Im-BAD-at-satire]

"Protect the children!... Unless they're from foreign parents, gay, trans, black or anything that disagrees with my worldviews."

[@Sp1derBedo]

One of the things that still scares me to this day is how one time my family was talking about how upset they were that conversion therapy camps like this were getting outlawed in the states we lived in. I can't remember if at the time I knew I was gay or not, but I remember them saying that they were good places for people to "get the help they need". Sometimes I'm scared that if they found out, they'd try to send me away anyways. I may be over 18 now, but I'm nowhere near financially independent yet and those things just stick with you.

[@seantaggart7382]

Id send them there and tell them "Is this a place to get help?"

[@RageOfBeef]

@@seantaggart7382 it's like my step dad, whining about how conversion therapy is slowly being outlawed, then when trump lost the last election started screaming how he was gonna be put into a "reeducation camp" which like in my opinion a lot of people could literally use having a method restarting their education because he still seems to think science and fact stopped changing after he left high school, it's wacky how their a people like this in America who are all for forcing "reeducation" and trauma onto people to make them conform to their social values but if the idea is even considered to be pushed towards them suddenly your a communist monster, absolutely wack how America exists right now

[@hollowman9410]

@@RageOfBeef Don't worry, it's gonna get worse. I suggest keeping your passport updated.

[@seantaggart7382]

@@RageOfBeef indeed However With the power of harmony We can stop this

[@Techno_Idioto]

@@seantaggart7382 Nah. It's gonna need to be the power of **Incredible Violence** to solve these issues.

[@GeraldEatsSoup]

How can someone sign up to have their children tortured and have the audacity to think its for their own good? I dont have a problem with religion, but sometimes it makes the most delusional people justify the worst shit

[@Azeal]

There's no hate like Christian love

[@BishopShotgun]

@@Jack-4vThere’s a flaw in your point. ​​⁠You’re comparing a rhetorical bad with a bad in a completely different ballpark to potentially (and hopefully accidentally) justify the abuse of children who have no control over their identity, upbringing, for the sake of your views; whether I agree with them or not as it’s not relevant, it’s pretty cruel to bring up a blanket and non-controversial statement in this sort of context. In other words: a red herring, something that respectfully you should’ve learnt in 3rd grade comprehension class, assuming you’re a western native from your profile. Not to takeaway credibility from your statement completely, but I think it’s interesting to point out should you further reply with more fallacies.

[@Spencer-wc6ew]

Blind faith is pounded into these people until it is a core part of their personality. If god thinks torturing children is good, then it's good. All thought stops there. They can't follow logic or reason. Faith is belief in absence of proof, so why would they need to? Maybe they have something deep down saying "this is wrong". Well that voice is arguing against God's will. So it must be Satan, and they should resist it.

[@Boeing-xc2vs]

and these same people go on and on about how transitioning makes people suicidal when it was their own abuse. its terrible that this is still so common.

[@MsZsc]

We literally have shittons of bad science, pseduo science, and all the real science is gonna talk another 5 years at best to even begin to understand transness moreso. In fact in the 40s the nazis burned like fucking all the scientific literature regardign this stuff for like, pretty much the same reason that modern republicans are. "Stop calling us nazis you're crying wolf!!" "Okay we're gonna become like the nazis now it's actually morally superior"

[@MsZsc]

@@Jack-4v you are not these quite rare examples of people nor their parents nor their family nor the community. You can also not tell the incompetent right wing government to write and make shit up on the spot that will affect the lives of literally everyone.

[@alli3219]

Yeah, it's the rejection and abuse

[@TheDemonAscended]

This is why talking about stuff like this is important. It’s not attention seeking, it’s making people aware and possibly opening the eyes of people in similar situations. Thank you for sharing your story Jennifer, you give me the strength to tell my story fully.

[@nodeins1848]

every child deserves loving parents, not every parent deserves there kids

[@FunAngelo2005]

Yes

[@BlackbeltHitoshi]

Not this child for sure.

[@conallirvine5157]

@@BlackbeltHitoshi what do you mean by that?

[@Resetium]

​@@marcosloldelClose to half of americans have had their brains removed due to excessive brainwashing. They literally cannot think for themselves, let alone analyze anything.

[@failedvessel]

"My family isn't the best right" *proceeds to describe how she got beaten up by her brother violently* Like sheesh girl some people don't deserve forgiveness

[@millerrepin4452]

You don't forgive for their sake. You forgive to move on for your own sake.

[@BeeAnarchic]

this makes me so grateful and so glad my family is accepting. this girl was so brave to share her expirence.

[@Azeal]

I'm so glad 🧡

[@DeadlyNightShadeBloom]

I was mad my outer family wasn't accepting, but I feel eternal gratitude that my inner circle cares about me and understands me this well I really don't deserve them

[@turkeylegs1343]

My grandmother on my dad's side is extremely conservative, I mean like Alex Jones levels conservative, and since I live in Florida, telling her i'm trans could lead to so so so so many problems for me, my family, and my doctors. It's scary, not being able to tell them this but then being forced by my family to go see them. She's very involved in my brother's lives and I try not to see her, but my family (especially my dad) still won't let me just leave her. See, my dad is christian, my mom is a converted catholic, but they are both (mostly) very supportive. Of course my dad less so since he grew up with the stigma, but he at least allows it even if he isn't the most politically correct or involved. But since they are christian, they go to church. I've became an atheist, I questioned alot of the beliefs I grew up with, but my family never let me get away from the church. My mom doesn't go because her work schedule is too inconsistent to be able to participate, but my dad goes pretty often. Both of them, though, still will force me to participate in holiday events, the most recent of which was my youngest brothers first communion. Immediately, I didn't want to go, because I knew that if I did I would see my grandma, and I didn't want to interact with her because I was scared for my safety. My family forced me to though, since it was important for my brother. I went out, put on my best "I'm 100% a straight male but if I wanted to I could pass as a girl" outfit, and had to go. When we got there, I was greeted by my grandparents, and we went in the church. Guess what was the topic today! How "certain individuals" online, in school, or in your family are tricking your kids and grandkids into leaving god and becoming atheists, and that if you wanted to "save them" you had to sign up for their christian school, that would make sure your kids keep their faith. I was disgusted, I understood the transphobic retoric as soon as he started talking about the school system, and I tried to tell my family when we got home "hey, I'm pretty sure our church is kinda bad, because the stuff they said is kinda transphobic". My mom just started defending them, saying "of course that's not what they meant" and "they're just slightly misguided, that's all". Now I'm not saying my family is awful, but I'm just saying this stuff is so ingrained into the culture of the church, of allowing any priest to just be "misguided" even though they are clearly being transphobic. It's like a shield that protects them, I bet you if they weren't a priest my mom wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. This was kinda a rant, but I think it goes to show how even supportive christians can be blinded by their complete and total faith in their church.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@turkeylegs1343how old are you? (if you don’t mind me asking of course)

[@turkeylegs1343]

@@_Sloppyham 14, almost 15.

[@PerilWOF]

Hi. I’m an East Asian person. This kind of stuff is only rumors of the west in my country.. I’m so sorry these are actually happening in such a diverse country. It’s terrible. I don’t quite understand much western ideas and trends/identities, so I can’t officially speak for them. But, even though I’m not apart of the LGBTQ, anyone would know that this is just wrong. It’s heartbreaking 💔 edit: excuse some misunderstandings- my English isn’t quite fluent yet. Thank you all for the replies, I will continue to support anyone I see in a situation like this. In Japan, people are shy, and don’t usually lean out to help others in need of it. So suicide and depression is a result. I hope to change that! And to even help people outside my country.Thank you all 🙇⤵️

[@rebeccagillaspy2681]

It's real. I live around 40 miles from one. The only way out of the place is a threatening to harm yourself. I met a survivor from one who hurt themselves so that they had to forcibly leave. Otherwise they would have had a corpse on the property and been investigated

[@PerilWOF]

@@rebeccagillaspy2681 how do things like this even exist in America 😞People always say america is free and claim it is so good than other countries, but they hide so much? It hurts other American to see how people can overlook it. Although, I can’t say I can relate. I’m sorry For You America

[@rebeccagillaspy2681]

@@PerilWOF they either use homo phobic parents who are in the religious community to sign their rights over to the kid so it's legal. Or the individual is blackmailed into it. Sometimes they make it seem like it's going to be a fun place. It depends on the state. But some have very religious people who have power and turn a blind eye to it. Just like anywhere. There is abuse of power and leadership to exploit vulnerable people. It's disgusting. But there are also many networks of people who work to shut these places down. Once you are there. They threaten you. Over work you. Blackmail you. Or straight up brainwash you. Into being indoctrinated. They use lack of sleep. Lack of food. And in some cases playing scripture or indoctrination over loudspeaker. On a 24 hour loop. Sometimes they use people who pretend to be kind and get a foothold in your mind and use psychological tricks. I unfortunately know far too much about these places and i hate them.

[@PerilWOF]

@@rebeccagillaspy2681 I couldn’t imagine America like this. I will pay my respects to citizens 🙏🙇 good luck

[@mileselon1339]

Conversion therapy is indeed ... Ahem... Immoral... And frankly very inhumane in my opinion.

[@leobridge9453]

Mad respect for Jenifer for being so strong. As a straight kid, I’ll never know how horrible it must be for any lgbtq person going through this and I’m glad that action is being taken against these camps, regardless of what others think.

[@dietjeffrey]

Is action being taken tho?

[@L16htW4rr10r]

​@@dietjeffreyBased on some comment I see, yes.

[@gilles466]

Same

[@dietjeffrey]

@@L16htW4rr10r Well the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals (which includes Florida where this happened) is actively ruling against bans on conversion camps in their jurisdiction

[@hendrikpat]

@@dietjeffrey According to wikipedia, they're banned in 25 states. (Which is only half tho, so it definitely isn't enough.)

[@heavymusicguy8227]

You. You are one of the greatest people to roam the internet. Churches don't know what God's work is. But you do. What you do hear, listen to people, spread their stories. That is truly God's work. And I'm not even Christian. Keep it up man. Keep being there for people. All some people need is just someone to trust and confide in.

[@Azeal]

[@Koichi-Kun]

I am a Catholic and I truly believe gods word is just being kind and caring to others, if you are a good person, you will eventually be rewarded, in life or in death

[@jackusy3414]

When it comes to people who have suffered like this, I just want to burst into their room and give them the biggest hug they have ever known.

[@Azeal]

;-;

[@kid14346]

Followed quickly by bursting through the razor wire gates of the conversion therapy camp and giving the staff the biggest car tire of their lives.

[@W1th3rrose]

@@Azeal I am so sorry for what you had to go through. Now I want to give you a hug :(

[@Catterjeeo]

@@W1th3rrose Azeal is the interviewer, Jennifer is the one who needs a hug.

[@W1th3rrose]

ok i want to give Jennifer a hug

[@Hunter248GM]

I'm not a sensitive person, but this shit can make a grown man cry, it made me cry, I could feel her pain through the sound of her voice, my heart broke I've also had issues with the Catholic church as a child, got assaulted non-sexualy all in the name of "god", I don't bare hate towards Catholics but I do kinda feel a certain disgust for rly religious people, if would've happened to me I'd either be dead cuz of suicide OR in jail for going on a revenge killing spree The level forgiveness and understanding she has are not from this world. Wich is only proof that she's an EXTREMELY strong person. Not to forget all the mental & physical torture she's gone through and pulled through. And now even openly talking about it even that requires tons of courage! Especially talking up against your family! May this step in life be change for the better for her. And may for F*cking once life be in her favor!

[@Specters0rd]

Yeah, It's hard for me to fully respect the religion when they still continue to do their crimes.

[@Dice-Z]

Oh 100% guaranteed that any single one of those adults in the conversation "therapy" camp wouldn't have lasted being dealth the very thing they did to kids without crying and screaming like little bitches. Probably got off on the abuse of power too.

[@ahogammer6895]

@@Specters0rd i cant respect catholicism (& christianity in general) at all. read the bible & you'll be horrified.

[@bliss5297]

every time I listen to a story like this, it makes me feel worse about myself for being American. knowing that how much you want to believe there is good in the world, there will always be those who won't listen to reason, and wont understand, and hide behind these walls, and rally those who share their same view. it just hurts, y'know? to just know that there will be people who just use this originally once great thing, and turn it into a place full of anger, and hate towards those that are different. I am happy for Jennifer getting out of that shitty situation, I wish you can grow past your experiences where they don't hurt as much. I wish I can too. edit: it also makes me angry how many of these "programs" there are to degrade children, who need help with understanding. if a parent sends their child to one of these "programs" it just breaks their trust. and it makes it even worse if the "program" lies to the parent about what is happening. such as "we at **** foundation, will counsel your child away from evil" but in reality are doing just what Jennifer went through, or even worse.

[@screwistic]

This is sad but you shouldn't be sorry to be American, there is a lot we take for granted, a lot that people don't understand. Americans don't know how easy life is even with the stuff we see compared to living in a country like Syria or India or Bahrain or even richer countries. We take the grants we have for granted compared to China, North Korea, and some eastern countries. To be able to marry the same sex person and change everything about your identity as much as you want and have millions upon millions of people accept you is better than getting killed in my experience. Still doesn't excuse the bad things that happen here but it makes things a little better. We as Americans can make our country better. Ensure what one state does our state is different. Things are changing but it's difficult to change the philosophy of 350 million people in just a generation or two. It took 100 plus years to make everyone agree that slavery is bad and we even still have a couple bad apples. But that's just it. A couple so when things like this happen we support and learn and seek out similar situations before they happen.

[@demonslayer5122]

No country is perfect, and America is no exception.

[@devindeocharan8323]

@demonslayer5122 yep, and America is an alright one all things considered

[@redornament3248]

You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are, as no one is perfect🍀

[@dootersnooter5343]

Shit, even the psychological torture of one of these places is horrifying. I was expecting a video on that... But this? How is this even legal? They should all be in jail for life. I wonder if there are lawyers out there who can rat out these people and really drive them into the ground for good.

[@Citadel_Station_AI_666]

how can you say that you care for your child when you force them into a cult who will do anything to convince them that they're straight?

[@Azeal]

indeed

[@Kittyuwu8888]

I want to leave everyone with this… You are loved, you will be free one day, and you are not alone I am not trans, or gay or even part of lgbtq+ but I am a disabled, furry/therian who has gone through a lot of trama and I want to be able to let other people know the above message I would also like to say Jenny, you are the trooper and know you have come so far!!

[@Azeal]

🧡

[@sendhelpitwontstop3917]

the way you can hear her voice waver is heartbreaking. even recounting these events are traumatic, having to feel as if there wasn't anyone you can trust in this world, having to lie to survive, not even living. my heart is heavy even listening to this and as a fellow trans and queer person, it makes me realize how lucky i am to have the conditions i do. my heart goes out to all of the individuls who have dealt with this are dealing with this and have to deal with this in future. Its absolutely sickening. Please just remember that things will get better, you will get past this, do not forget that we are strong and no matter what happens as long as we persist things will improve ♥

[@snailsinsocks]

Well said.

[@deanwolf9332]

Very

[@glassman5967]

@@Clown_the_Clown hm?

[@jaxx1360]

@@Clown_the_Clownyes her

[@glassman5967]

@@Clown_the_Clown They refer to themselves as her

[@-p4872]

once, when I was about 13, I was in a discord group where everybody would talk openly about their sexuality, I remember that i felt amazing about opening up about my feelings, cuz my family would always shut me up every time i tried to speak about sexuality. so I talked about my sexuality and that I felt like my parents would not love me if i came out as bi. soon, my grandma went through my phone and found out that i was "trying to get laid by a man" even though I was just talking about my sexuality, i never asked anyone for sex. and then, my family cutted me off completely, they took away all of my eletronic devices, and would only let me watch TV, I stayed like that for 2 YEARS. and the worst of all is that my grandma would talk about it on family meetings, she would say that she saved me from the devil and etc.... looking back now, its been 5 years since that happend, but i still can't talk about it openly with my parents...

[@Kaebuki]

@@vir00 1. None of us are sure there were adults in there, only OP is. Could be all minors. 2. I get what you mean about the dangers of the internet with talk on sex, plenty of actual groomers out there. However, OP was expressing their sexuality in that group because their own family would reject them. If OP had been accepted, allowed to talk about how they felt on their sexuality, OP probably wouldn’t need to risk an online space with possible strangers looking to exploit kids. Shutting off that last safe space and saying how OP’s feelings were akin to “being tempted by demons” (making the home environment even more hostile) probably doesn’t do wonders for a kid’s mental health, let alone their relationship with their family.

[@MaticTheProto]

Every time I hear these stories I wonder if I could have remained as calm or if I would have started displaying violent behaviors towards my family in that kind of situation

[@Megamind283]

@@vir00 you're wrong sulfuric acid!

[@-p4872]

@@MaticTheProto what keeps me quiet is probably the shaming I might get if I say anything

[@cubanspy1231]

based grandma

[@GeraldEatsSoup]

Discord didnt exist till 2016 so this shows just how recently this type of shit is happening, which is terrifying

[@Azeal]

It's still happening today as well unfortunately

[@dannydanumba2619]

I would’ve thought conversion camps were a 70s-90s thing not a 2017 thing. I wonder how many are out there rn

[@APPLE-kg2nl]

Closeted and my mother mentioned her support of conversion therapy the other week. This experience is what could have been and has shook me to my core.

[@MsZsc]

she probably believes they just "read" there and isn't abusive at all or some shit

[@iamsiley]

Assuming your mother isn't too far gone already, I recommend the slideshow method. Seriously though, once you come out, because I'm assuming you haven't already, probably just cite like 15 sources backing up your point, just to convince her. Lmk if this helps because I'm genuinely kind of curious.

[@rowankrencik]

I'm trans, I've been traumatized.... I won't write an essay, all I'll say is that I'm done being accommodating to people that wish nothing but harm on me for being alive. I never leave the house without a knife and mace, this has to stop I can't keep living with this nonstop dread while being told I'm the weak one

[@sillycookie]

Good. Live as yourself as authentically as possible. And don't be afraid to defend yourself in any way!

[@rowankrencik]

@@sillycookie I was groomed because I sought out validation, and now I'm being told I'm a groomer for waking up alive. I'm losing my patience, honestly, I'm getting mad, and I'm getting sick of these awful people and their evil acts of salvation to a god they push on others.

[@rowankrencik]

@@sillycookie also thank you, really...

[@RandomInternetStranger]

I'm not trans myself, but I've seen plenty of people that are trans to know you're valid for being angry and feeling the need to defend yourself. I hate that in a society filled with wealth and unimaginable power, we can't understand people just trying to exist and be happy at the same time if it's different from the common template for it. I'm sorry that you have to exist in a failing and willfully ignorant society that would hurt or kill you for merely waking up every day. I'd like to add that being trans is also biological, as well as psychological. A specific part of the Y chromosome is responsible for the formation of the brain in accordance with male or female traits, and a small "mutation," although it makes you no less of a human if you have it, causes said brain to develop as if it were of a different gender than the rest of the body. This is, of course, not at all dependent on whether or not a person is trans, just a fact that clearly shows being trans to not only be biological, but completely factually valid in all respects (it's also been proven that even without this mutation, being trans isn't a mental illness or a facade, according to my friend with a Phd in psychology). Even if that weren't true, you're still a completely normal human being with a completely valid way of life, and I see no difference in you and any other person with your same gender-identity. If you wanna have a conversation, leave a comment on my channel and I'll hook up DMs for pretty much any form of social media. I've got a friend that would really want to meet you, and they have a very interesting gender-identity as well, along with parents that don't understand them. I hope my comment made you at least a little bit happier, and I especially hope that I made you feel a bit more comfortable in your own skin. Keep fighting for your own existence, and always remember that you're just as much of a human, with their own way of life and beliefs, as any other person. I thought about defending regular people that just have a lack of understanding, but they're starting to become a minority to willfully ignorant, vile people nowadays.

[@ironapega]

I don't know if i can still comment on this channel, because of my video being censored, but; Consided reaching out to ATW Firearms instruction, in the US. They provide self-defense firearm education for trans and queer folk. In another location, I also know Yellow Peril Tactical does something similar. If all else fails, look into your local John Brown Gun Club. There are plenty of resources to protect yourself as a queer person. Remember, we keep us safe. Plenty of people want us dead. I wish you the best of luck, be safe out there

[@marianoseravalli6994]

So the father got teased by some queer people back in his youth and held such a grudge he took his OWN DAUGHTER to hell and back and expected that everything would be fine. Thats beyond fucked up bro

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Not only that but extremely petty and pathetic.

[@Catterjeeo]

Toxic masculinity at its peak.

[@adventurer3288]

@@Catterjeeo that's not a thing

[@kitsunephantom6155]

@@adventurer3288 Yes it is. There are people who take their preconceived notions of "what a man should be/do" way too damn far and try to force it on others. It's a toxic version of masculinity, hence the name.

[@ppppppqqqppp]

​@@adventurer3288Look, dude, I get it, I'm a guy myself "Toxic masculinity" can feel like an attack on you because you're masculine, but it's not. It's not even an anti-masculine term, masculinity without being toxic is great, I love doing masculine shit, I gym 4 times a week, I do carpentry projects, I love doing the classic protector guy vibe, but none of this is "toxic" masculinity, it's just masculinity.

[@tallyhallfreak]

I want to hug this girl so bad, she is so strong and so brave

[@Cam_420]

same. she deserves one.

[@pyroglyph2763]

There is no hate like Christian love

[@Azeal]

Indeed. Iiinnndeeeed.

[@velocityraptor2890]

Amen

[@_karla._]

I really understand why so many people become satanists lmao.

[@MyDadJustLeftMeXD]

Average reddit atheist mentality

[@404findnotnamed]

@@MyDadJustLeftMeXD Average looking at christian behaviour for 0.0002 seconds mentality.

[@darkmatter9643]

I live in Ireland, we are currently trying to get this horrible abuse of human rights outlawed, I wish the best to you and am deeply sorry for the horrors committed upon you.

[@darkmatter9643]

@@thotslayer9914 yeah why?

[@kx7500]

Vote and organize

[@leila13dnd]

The fact that she can still love her mom and won't even wish anything bad on her dad is incredible to me. You are so much kinder and stronger than he ever was. I know I could never be that strong. I know I'm not.

[@comyuse9103]

manipulation is hard to shake off, especially when you are born into it.

[@shadamyandsonamylover]

Yeah, what that guy said. Basically your parents just groom you to never question them ever. I’m not gay or anything like that, but my parents were very strict and when I was caught living (as roommates) with my bf at 22 my parents freaked out and called a family meeting and wouldn’t let me visit and tried to demand he move out THAT DAY. I still can’t cut contact with them despite knowing how I grew up, so I’m just low contact. Sometimes it’s not strength, it’s more weakness that you can’t fully put yourself first and still give room to the people who ruined your life. It’s the best we can go sometimes tho…

[@skybluepainter]

You didn’t abandon your mom. Unknowingly or not, she abandoned you.

[@aPengwin1]

This atheist woman is far closer to true christian ideals than her "christian" parents. She doesn't deserve a damn thing she went through and I really hope she can find happiness, but I'm so glad she's closer to being happy than she would be had she not left Hell.

[@innersight6070]

The response to the email was disappointing. I honestly hoped her mom was going to say she understood why she had to run. Instead I just got the impression that continued contact would be potentially dangerous. This whole story had me shaking honestly. This family - the dad and older brother anyway - sound vicious and hateful. This family literally tortured her with razor blades, hot coals, beatings, 4-hour full-dunk ice baths, and isolation. They're sick in the head while pretending it's everyone else that's sick. I kind of wonder if it'd be possible to get the mom to see the light but the dad fed her the koolaid for decades so that would be a hard task to overcome. But still... Jen wasn't able to share all the things going on from her point of view. She just never had a safe opportunity. The mom might have a revelation if everything that happened was laid out without the shady "it's what god wants" type of talk. I'm pretty sure Christians listening to this story are giving it the same stink eye as atheists - the things this family did are not normal by any Christian standards.

[@KloneKomet]

As a Christian, I can confirm that yes, the conclusion you reached about us is correct. Fuck these inhuman monsters. They and all of the people like them are who Hell is made for - not for people like Jen who just want to live their lives.

[@thegrimharvest]

Ah, yes. Im reminded of Jesus meeting the Samaritan woman at the well, and how he got the whole village to waterboard her for several days to teach her to stop living in sin with her current 5th not husband. And how Jesus kept screaming profanity and degrading her emotionally. Or when the Pharisees brought the woman they "caught" in an affair, so Jesus helped stoned her to death to save her from her lifestyle. These kinds of people are the absolute worst. All the more because they claim to be doing it for "the right reasons". So do many of history's worst offenders. As a Christian, there's certainly a conversation that can be had about gender identity and LGBTQ + issues and faith. But what's being described here is not a conversation but outright abuse and cruelty, with the wrappings of righteousness. It's not easy following completely everything we're called to be as believers. But this isn't even a mistake, a slip up, or just "falling short". This is worse than the "sin" they're trying to fix. At least the "sin" being committed isn't claiming to be justified by divine order. They needed love, understanding, and guidance. Agree or disagree with their lifestyle and choices, but you don't bring people to faith by rejecting them and submitting them to torture. This is not how you "fix" anyone. Torture doesn't work like people think it does. Total negative reinforcement only breeds surface level compliance, and deep seated contempt mixed with trauma. Not genuine change or repentance.

[@Techno_Idioto]

@@thegrimharvest I'm agnostic, but I take certain lessons from the bible and ignore some verses that don't fit the world we live in. As I see it, a Christian is meant to be a kind, caring, open-minded person that accepts people without discrimination, because it's what Jesus Christ would do.

[@IgnarHusky]

"Not normal by Christian standards" Lmao Are you trying to make a joke after all that? This absolutely is normal and encouraged in Christianity. Most American Christians advocate this. This is common Christian culture, especially in America. You're just blindly naive if you think this is some outlier

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@IgnarHusky Here, let me fix that for you. "Not normal by FUCKING SANE Christian standards." Happy now?

[@Scorchlette]

God, this must've been awful for her to vent out there. Also, good on Azeal for those small bits of affirmation like "you're doing great". Even something small like that can make a world of difference.

[@EvieTheTransEevee]

Nothing has made me feel as lucky as this. My family refuses to accept who I am, and actively hinder my ability to learn. I'm used to being called an idiot, told that I have brain damage, told that I must have a psychological disease, or that the conditions I do suffer from are just a "wank". But I am safe. My physical health is not at risk. I am not being beat up. I won't see my blood spilt around where I go, aside from a small cut here and there. I am not, have not, and likely will not, be barely struggling to survive through literal torture. In that sense, I am safe. I am so sorry to here what happened to this poor person. I am shocked to hear that they even survived to this point and that they were willing to keep pushing. It is disgusting to learn of what happens behind closed doors at these camps, and even more so that they're still legal.

[@right_42]

hearing stories like this and the suffering people go thorough is the reason I am studying psychology. so that I can help them. because they don't deserve to feel so bad.

[@Azeal]

That's very honorable 💙

[@freshoranges27]

Ur a real one fr

[@anonymouslee8542]

To think, she's forgiven more in 21 years than most people will in a lifetime.

[@turtleturtle9120]

I know it's a lot better now, but I still see hate and disappointment towards LGBT all the time. My brother has a f/m trans friend and when my dad heard about it he said that the reason he was trans was because of bad parenting. My parents also treat him and talk to him like a girl still. I'm glad people are more accepting now but there's still a lot to be done.

[@phoebegee54]

I just wish there was a bit more understanding. People wouldn't treat trans boys as girls if they truly understood

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

What the hell does "talk to him/her/them like a girl" even fucking mean? (Note: just asking out of curiosity not to dismiss his bros trans friend)

[@turtleturtle9120]

@@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo they referring to him as a girl using she her pronouns instead of he him pronouns

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

@@turtleturtle9120 next time his dad does that to his trans friend, his trans friend should just misgender the dad with she/her pronouns

[@raT.L0rd]

the words “i made it” being repeated over and over made me cry. as a survivor of depression, realizing you’re still here despite everything is truly such an accomplishment. to anyone out there who has gone through/ is going through something similar, i am SO glad you’re still here, even when just existing is exhausting. im proud of each and every one of you. stay safe

[@k-chan4842]

When she said "Was all of that worth keeping a son that never really existed?" I rewound the video to hear it again. That's such a powerful statement coming from such a strong woman. I hope you're doing great, Jennifer

[@gaspitfarmley2025]

I am a Christian, and stories like this piss me off in a way very little else does. This. is. not. how. you. address. sin. To treat anyone with ANYTHING less than common decency completely goes against what we are supposed to be doing and is I think even hypocritical. We are all sinners on the same sinking boat, so to belittle, let alone torture, anyone instead of making sure everyone knows the truth and is able to get out alive is just plain wrong. Watching different churches distort God's truth and use it to cause this much hurt... really eats me up inside. My heart goes out to you, Jennifer. It makes me glad to hear you've gotten out and are moving forward.

[@kittenmimi5326]

I mean to literally take something from the bible Jesus literally saved someone from being stoned. Because everyone are sinners and have no right to judge other people like that so to torture CHILDREN is just wtf

[@ComradeCorvus]

I want to add to this and say that based on a lot of things I have seen, I even call into question the validity of people claiming that "they bible says so" about homosexuality being a sin. I did some digging a whileback and found that the word that was referring to gay folks was a very vague term that doesnt even have a conscensus on what it meant. Some say it does refer to gay people, others say it refers to pedophiles, etc. Regardless, the act of translating and editing the bible over centuries has innevitably resulted in things being warped, either unintentionally or to further an agenda of hate. At this point, so much has been changed and translated so many times, we cannot possibly know what was originally in first copies of the books of the bible or not. Call it heresy, but if the word of god is to be warped any more, we should at least warp it in a way that doesnt paint a target on these people anymore.

[@gaspitfarmley2025]

@@ComradeCorvus Interesting point, though I believe the Bible does make itself clear on the matter. At least three or four times it repeats the term "a man being with another man as with a woman". While I see how that sound vague to an extent, when viewed in the context of the surrounding verse(s) and taking into account that the phrase is repeated in just about the same way instead of finding a different way to word it each time, it's pretty obvious that it's referring to 'two guys getting it on'. I would like to add something though: more than once, the act of homosexuality isn't referred to or condemned in isolation. More often than not it is listed among or followed up by a list of other sins, ranging from other sexual sins to murder and deceit and envy. No one sin is technically worse than another. No one kind of person should EVER be targeted and hated on if another sin (like hate for a convenient example) is being looked over. Besides, all can equally be forgiven.

[@n3ishere]

@@gaspitfarmley2025 remember though, the bible is not originally in english, and languages are not one to one with each other at all times; in the original hebrew the word used for lay in the main verse used very heavily implies a lack of consent involved

[@SwarmLoreLord346]

Tru dat

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

For a moment I thought I read “touching” instead of “torturing” but both realities are ones I do not wish to live in.

[@GlitterGum]

I love your pfp & username

[@sesgsi]

We live in both realities.

[@lydiakerin2456]

I hate conversion therapy and the fact that it is still illegal is horrifying. I also have adhd, autism, am questioning my sexuality, have a girlfriend. My parents are supportive. Everyone should have support from family and friends. I'm sorry you went through this.

[@fenixmeaney6170]

You did not abandon her, you did what was necessary for your own survival. SHE abandoned you With her negligence of parental duties. She should have been there for you, and instead of being there to comfort you, she sent you off to be tortured. For raising a son who would beat the shit out of his younger sibling because he couldn't tolerate weakness, even in someone else.

[@notoriousgoblin83]

The worst part is this shit is still legal in the US and my country. This isn't history. This is ongoing. This hasn't stopped, and it needs to.

[@colettebrunel4124]

I was diagnosed with autism as a child. However, the entire life was bad and merely good memories. Out of every kids my life was taken!!! I been tortured by so called friends to being alone throughout teenhood. Lost trust on my father, sister, and brother that never acknowledged my autism side. My brother is been a jerk to me and get mad for every single thing I do. Then came my sister nothing more of social liars to ended having karma ruin her life. Finally, the father was a good parent until the change kicked in. Always makes excuses to my mom just to abuse me. Saying these bad stuff basically ruining my life being a Shut-In. Nevertheless, he doesn't know the pain to have suffered throughout middle to high school. Moreover, I became this empty shell and lost my trust on my father and two siblings. Lost my emotions, trust, individuality, and free will! My mother couldn't do nothing about my struggle. Now I slowly started to recover my 23 years of a broken adult 🙃. I started not wanting to see and speak to my siblings are now strangers. My bond with father was broken and not interested to fix this relationship! So that my story. Feel like being in a persona q2.

[@darknessproductions2119]

*offers internet hugs*

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

It disturbs something monstrous and sadistic in my soul to hear one story after another of my fellow folks on the AS being abused. I'm a Winston Churchill kinda guy with these things - no quarter to the enemy, no kindness offered to their pain, no tears shed for their ends.

[@colettebrunel4124]

​@Alastor the NPDemon It must have been hard. Moreover, I hope you're recovering from the same trauma. My hatred on humanity grew. To the point I had transformed me into a Demonic Beast.

[@mrxman6615]

I’m 15, and I’ve considered looking for a conversion camp for myself. Upon hearing what actually goes on in there, I realise how ungrateful I’ve been. Thank you.

[@VitaeLibra]

Mind if I ask why you were looking for one?

[@JKBisms]

@@VitaeLibra Christian brainwashing made him think being gay is wrong

[@DiaborMagics]

"you're weak", they say, until they're made to do the same things. It really is torture and I can't believe that it's legal. I can't even finish the video, I'm getting too emotional. But I wish this wonderful person all the best because it's deserved and no one should have to go through so much trauma - especially when put in there by people who claim to love you. The "no choice" argument of bad parents is soooo unfuriating, it's unreal how it gets to me. I wish everyone here the very best.

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

"I had no choice" is both emotional blackmail and the trademark of a highly controlling abuser. Such parents are enemies of their children and to be addressed accordingly.

[@mrapple2544]

@@comlain2513 And you too, isn't attacking the weak dishonorable? Or suddenly it is an act of greatness because it relates to God?

[@cardboardking577]

​@@comlain2513 so you believe in religious bullshit but only when it benefits you?

[@MsZsc]

@@mrapple2544 make polytheism great again

[@CyborgCR]

The last sentence broke me. It's such a horrible disposition to be in, to still love someone despite what they might think of you. To cherish moments you had with them, but knowing that they have such a horrible mindset, whether it's of their fault or not. Stay strong, Jennifer. You've gone through so much, you have to see it through, make sure you're getting the best ending possible.

[@you.findbitches6054]

I cannot understand how she can be so forgiving of her family. I feel like I would have lost all love for my family after being put through so much shit so she is definitely stronger than I am. Actually broke my heart watching this and if you're reading this, Jennifer (feels weird using real names online but I don't know your online name), thank you for sharing your experience. I know it has really humbled me.

[@laney_]

I can't believe that some people are so filled with hatred. This girl is so brave and I hope she is doing a bit better now.

[@GreenGj-]

"How many reasons can you think of as to why religion is not good?" "Yes"

[@TornDorstuf]

​@@retawniarit has more extremists than any other group

[@JuxGD]

​@@TornDorstufeither that or they're just really loud. its bad either way tho

[@Arowsrevenge]

This is one of the most emotional episodes I've seen you upload. I'm glad she's still with us. And it disgusts me that this is what religion did to her.

[@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936]

Not religion, but people. I’m religious and I find this disgusting and downright abusive. In Christianity, believers shouldn’t do any such radical actions because 1. It turns people away from God and 2. You cannot enact judgement unto others, as that’s God’s role to do and to enact your own judgement is to proclaim yourself as an equivalent to God (which is a sin). 3. Even if homosexuality is a sin, Jesus would still forgive homosexuals if they’re Christian. The notion that any sin leads to immediate damnation is a blatant sign of not understanding Christian doctrine and possibly exploiting religion for personal gain. Blame the individuals, not the group or ideology.

[@piyispiy]

@@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936 what if the ideology is responsible for allowing these types of groups to fester countless times throughout history? And when I say throughout history I mean since the beginning of said ideology.

[@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936]

@@piyispiy reform is preferable, but funny thing, the Bible basically condemns these actions. And most Christians today (including me) would find this stuff abhorrent. I can’t speak for all religion, but I can say there are people who use certain ideologies for bad intentions. If you want a political example, anti-terrorism and national security focus in the early 2000s led to the patriot act, which has led to a mass privacy invasion, yet it has been proven to be ineffective. Same thing here. Again, you can criticize an ideology, but blame individuals and their biases for their actions, not the ideology itself.

[@piyispiy]

@@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936 how is it that you indirectly agree with me while also using the thing you agree should be changed to defend your statement all in the vary fist sentence... Also I was referring to the people who are the opposite of holy being attracted to your religion more so than the people who regularly do good for humanity, though good for you for not being a human piece of garbage. Now even if you don't fully agree with me I know you can't overlook the part where you do agree because let's just be honest any religion brings in narcissists (like a moth in mating season to a lamp) and we both know what happens when you let a narcissist have any power. You especially with that political comparison you made...

[@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936]

@@piyispiy I thought you were referring to all of religion as a whole. I think certain religions and ideologies may need some sort of reform or compromise, but as for narcissists, I think the other members of the group should maintain the group itself and remove any individuals that might be problematic. I don’t know exactly how the best way to do so is, but in cases like the one in the video, I think Christians should protest.

[@Oooga-Chaka]

Conversion Therapy is the real grooming, not drag shows.

[@Densoro]

Shout it from the rooftops. Make them own their shame. They’re the ones who traumatize children.

[@Oooga-Chaka]

@@FexyVRC You can’t seriously being calling that torture after watching a video talking about conversion therapy. Kids not wanting to be at a drag show doesn’t equate torture.

[@linearman9038]

@@FexyVRC Someone not wanting to go to a drag show is someone not wanting to attend an event, like any other event it is a form of entertainment that some people may not like or might be bored by. torture is not entertainment, they have nothing in common, so comparing an event used as entertainment and an atrocity such as torture is not plausible in any way.

[@miscalotastuff733]

@@FexyVRC conversion therapy involves strapping electrodes on a persons body and gentilia and giving them electric shocks. They use electrocution therapy and many other forms actual torture to "fix" you. This is not the same as drag shows. You arent being tortured and physically abused. Conversion therapy does.

[@miscalotastuff733]

@@thefrontier2288 The kids can walk out. Those kids in what basically equates to a gulag cant walk out. They are literal prisonors. There is a huge difference.

[@cerulity32k]

Wow. The fact that this even happens in a world that's supposed to be "progressing" fills me with spiteful motivation. This makes me furious to the core and back, and fills my soul with a monsoon of rage. Now I want to make sure I contribute as much as I can to help stop it.

[@comyuse9103]

we aren't progressing anymore, if you didn't notice there is a dangerous rise in fascism across the globe. righteous indignation is a good thing to feel.

[@mike87831]

@@comyuse9103 By "fascism", do you mean anything you don't agree with? Because I'm not exactly seeing "fascism"

[@Cindyishusky-un6tj]

ive been thinking of- self unaliveing- its just been a hard past few months- hearing this story- how much you went through- convinces me that in my significantly better situation, i can make it to 18

[@lemontree6683]

You can, you got this. You'll be in an even better situation eventually, too, I promise. I'm sure your situation is still a huge struggle if you're considering something like that, and you're extremely strong for pushing through it. I know I'm a stranger in a comment section, but I'm still so proud of you. You'll make it.

[@laney_]

I believe in you. You are not alone and you are so brave. I'm so proud of you and I know you can do it!

[@mrapple2544]

I though that too some time ago, but trust me, it would be the worst thing you could ever do, you would be failing yourself this time. Don't do it.

[@tacolover105]

*Do it.*

[@deesnyder8201]

@@tacolover105 Be a better person its not that hard holy shit

[@anglepsycho]

Fun fact (actually not, I'm in both groups): Hans Asperger, the man who invented and patented conversion therapy, started with ABA. That's for anyone mentally disabled, you're spread eagle (sometimes naked, almost always super underage) and if you even breathe in a way that the superior hates, you get electrocuted. Badly. It only came to surface in 2016 with some few survivors who realized their childhood tormenting was in fact inhumane challenged Autism Speaks, who supports a "childrens care center" who had strapped backpacks of electrocuting devices to keep volting kids. Elders also wear these, get raped liek the kids, get brutally starved, anything and everything people fantasize over will be done to these autistic children. And he said it was because you need to make a blank slate to build up a child who will later kill themselves.

[@interbard]

And that "care center" you mentioned is the Judge Rotenberg Center, founded by Michael Israel, who ONLY GOT 2 YEARS OF PROBATION WHEN HE AND THE CENTER WENT UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE FDA, WHICH CONCLUDED THAT THE USE OF ELECTRIC SHOCK THERAPY IS NOT ALLOWED, BUT THE BAN WAS OVERRULED IN JULY 2021, ON FUCKING TECHNICALITY!!!

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

Yeah ABA practitioners should be sent to jail for life and it should be made a serious felony

[@eternallylearning2811]

​@@IndustrialParrot2816I'm autistic I was abused the abuse just made me want to bring corporal punishment for these pricks so I would do worst to them

[@0x5D]

Lovaas invented ABA and conversion therapy, not Asperger

[@ranting2daMAX]

I’ve been through ABA before (not the torture kind, I doubt I would’ve survived that, but the ‘modern’ kind for legal reasons, the one where a bunch of people act WAY too nice, so much so that it’s uncanny, and write EVERYTHING you say and do down) I know it’s not NEARLY as bad or terrible but. I was sent there by my Mom, who’s probably been gaslight to believe that showing the “worse” symptoms of autism in public is wrong. All the ABA treatment did for me was give me the ability to bottle up my emotions, which I have kept doing ever since, and I can’t stop it because it’s what I was taught to do. I know it’s not AT ALL as bad as what others have been through, and I’m ashamed that it’s getting to me so much (which is probably not how I should feel, again I was taught that outbursts and showing emotion via body language like Stimming is wrong or ‘distracting’ for yourself and others and could be harmful if it ‘gets out of hand’) I’ve been getting a bit better about being myself recently, but sometimes idk who or what “I” am since I’ve been sorta taught that what I am is wrong and that I should keep it all inside and let it out via breathing strategies (which just don’t work 90% of the time and makes me feel stupid or embarrassed). Anyways again it’s been better, I’ve tried to tell my parents about how bad ABA and other stuff can get, but they most likely think that I’m overreacting (I also have Anxiety). My little sibling is also Autistic, and something that stuck with me recently was when, in a car trip, they would try to talk to someone, only to be barely heard for being too quiet, and then my mother said that the behavior was just “attention seeking”, when it could’ve just been them wanting to talk but being too quiet.

[@CharityApple07]

Holy hell, I didn't know conversion therapy was literal _physical_ AND physiological torture. I actually shed tears and still am. Goddamn. Even though I'm not* part of the LGBTQ, it's fucking stupid that this is even an idea to begin with and I'm sorry you had to fight that battle. I can't begin to imagine having to experience anything like that and I can't believe it still happens. I genuinely hope you live a greater life and hope you spend time with people who matter. Happy belated 21st birthday, Jennifer! Edit: *I'm pansexual now. This video kept getting recommended to me recently and it's not any less awful. I've been exposed to more of the issues that the LGBTQ+ face (especially trans people), and I can't believe anything I've seen. I just hope the world can continue to be a better place every day, and I'll at least do my part.

[@comyuse9103]

this is a typical story, they can get a _lot_ worse. not to belittle or downplay her story, of course, it is just an insanely horrific industry.

[@CharityApple07]

@@comyuse9103 Oh yeah, I know now, this was the first insight into the actuality of it I'd had at the time. It's fucked.

[@catboysephiroth560]

Old comment but congrats! Welcome to the club, we love you 💜🌈 - a bi guy

[@CharityApple07]

@@catboysephiroth560 Thank you! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️❤️ That edit is also a bit old now, but still, thank you. 💛🤍💜🖤

[@Marshmaline_Pup]

I also didn't know they were like this, I knew they were bad but not THIS bad. It opened my eyes so much. These videos make me feel emotions that I haven't felt in quite some time, and it's so weird. being raised male and only very recently deciding I was trans myself, I've been trying to let myself not be as closed off emotionally. And these videos always without fail get me to tear up. It's absolutely disgusting what people will do to each other. Her statement of "trying to be comfortable with myself only makes them see me as an enemy" (I can't remember the exact wording but it was something like that) just struck a chord with me because It's just so true.. I really wish people could just let us live.

[@wendydomino]

I'm a conservative Christian but I would never ever want a child to go through what you went through. What those people did was evil and they were sinning for sure. They need to be in prison for child torture. You could have died from those ice baths. I'm glad you made it out. I hope you can get legitimate trauma therapy if you haven't already to help you recover. I hope that your parents just weren't aware of what would happen. If they were aware then they will answer to God for this too.

[@The_TinesJathian]

heyo! ik this is a youtube comments section but I'd just like to ask why you consider yourself conservative? I respect if you dont support socialist policies or don't like the vibe of liberal governance, and the fact that you put this comment here without hate or prejudice separates you, at least in my mind, from your run of the mill "conservative". Because *this* is what people think of when someone says conservatism. Child torture. Erasure. Hate. That's what the word 'conservative' means to me. So I'd just like to know if that interpretation of the word conservative has ever crossed your mind? As someone who doesn't support the policies of hate pushed by politicians who describe themselves as conservative, what does conservative mean to you? This is a legitimate question and isn't meant to be accusatory or a leading question. I'm fascinated by the way words and political leanings change over time and I'm hoping you can lend some insight.

[@micosstar]

i support@@The_TinesJathian inquiry; i want a more united politics!

[@NightmarelizedDina]

I don't know if Jennifer herself will ever see this as it's 3 month late. But. Girl you are f\king amazing. You are a star. You went through so much and now starting a new life, still having faith in humanity. You made it! I'm glad you did. I'm sure everyone here glad you did. When you talked the part where you left I just can't anymore. I teared up. You are so strong. You got this. I hope you, your friends, and your community is doing well and safe. I hope your 2023 will be amazing. I don't know you but I love you. Keep going strong Jennifer :) Azeal you are a amazing interviewer when it comes to difficult topic like these. You allowed them to speak for themselves and speak at their own pace. With no pressuring, and you sure hell made them feel accepted and cared for.

[@JP_21_]

Thanks so much dawg it means alot

[@NightmarelizedDina]

@@JP_21_ Wow i didnt know you would see this! I'm sure many others here would support you whole hearted aswell. Stay strong!

[@Azeal]

🧡

[@magicman9766]

As a 17 y/o trans person (mtf), I feel this story too hard. It resonated with me, and I can relate to a lot of it, save for the horrible conversion therapy. I’m so sorry to see anyone else going through this, it breaks my heart, and the ending with her mom really broke my heart💔

[@thetokugawaclan1003]

being a trans woman myself, i get shivers hearing that there are people out there that actually do this, not to mention their own kids because (like seriosly wtf) im glad i didnt have to go through that, but sadly conversion "therapy" is also legal in sweden but since i obv havent gone to one i cant say if they torture or not, either way its horrible im glad she is ok and that this kind of barbaric stuff gets banned (like this is from the age of burning witches at the stake ffs)

[@TyrantToppat]

As a Male, Bisexual (prefers men), Atheist, with Autism and ADHD (and... y'know, the Furry part too)... I would have snapped if I had to go through conversion therapy. It worries me a lot that practices like this exist. *Especially* with how frequently this happens. I genuinely had to stop watching and take a break before finishing the video. Each time I hear a story where something like this happens, I wonder if we humans deserve to live considering we do horrible things to one another over matters such as race, gender, and/or preference. I receive hate for who I am from time to time (mostly because I wear who I am on my chest). And almost always it's something like "you're beyond god's salvation", or "you're the devil's vessel". I accept this will inevitably happen to everyone in the LGBTQ+ community. But it still angers me how everyone's beliefs and opinions towards people become crystal clear just by a choice you make. People shouldn't feel less loved or like there's something wrong with them just because they aren't heterosexual. It is depressing to see that many people in the world still cling to older ideals such as what was described in this video. And it's even worse that the government is doing close to nothing to make sure that children (or just people in general) aren't being tortured like this. What makes it more sickening is these people give religion a bad rap by twisting the rules to their favor. I've met people from all sorts of religions who are the sweetest people you'll ever meet who don't care if you're LGBTQ+ or not. And then there's the conservative religious people who will treat you as if you're the devil himself just for being who you are. God always said that love is love (at least in the New Testament I think). He never specified what love was defined as. Sure, the general concept is a relationship between a man and a woman - but that doesn't mean that's the only form of love. People who do stuff like conversion camps and conversion therapy... I see them as less than human because of their cruel mistreatment and discrimination of others. There are numerous scientific studies showing that conversion camps and therapy make the "problem" a hell of a lot worse than before. To everyone in communities such as the Furry and LGBTQ+ communities... yes, I can't ignore that we have terrible people using us as a disguise to their actions... but for those of you who are good people, there will always be hate against us in some form. But we have to keep going. Eventually there will be a day where there are no more conversion camps, and there is no more conversion therapy, and there is no more mistreatment or discrimination of us for who we are. But until then we have to look forwards and hope for the best. And for all of the hard-line, conservative, anti-LGBTQ+ people out there... get with the program. Either accept that not everyone will be how you want them to... or be left behind in the past. And become nothing more than a shameful mark on human history.

[@Dovetears]

honestly, i appreciate your comment, i feel the same exact way about this sort of topic and it's just absolutely terrifying to me that we humans hurt each other like this and its something that happens constantly every day around the globe. i'm happy that my generation (zoomers) is much more open-minded when it comes to serious situations like these and it gives me hope that we can be the baby steps to a better future for the world. we humans may never be perfect, but learning to let go of harmful views such as these and being aware of the damage they cause is definitely a major improvement for humans moving forward. no one should be ridiculed or shunned for something that they cannot control in any way, shape or form, we should be able to freely express ourselves for who we are if its not hurting anyone.

[@kuruju_vtube]

"prefers man" i dont need to read more, got my respect.

[@MmatriX-]

I really respect this comment. I have grown up in a baptist family my entire life and they way they automatically raise you as cis and straight (as if there is no other sexualities/identities) is honestly disgusting. I was always asked *constantly* if I had a girlfriend or crush when mind you I was only a first/second grader. And it got to the point where it was easier to lie and make up who I was attracted to. Because they wish they didn’t have to acknowledge us. They *know* the bible condemns lgbtq people, despite its hypocritical reasoning and lack of logic. They *want* to treat their children as pretty little trophies. Exactly like their parents. But when they end up “different” or “wrong” they take it as a personal attack, despite my life being nobody else’s but my own. And while I know not all Christians or religious people are bad; The means in which Religion “justifies” hatred, because a *book* that was translated thousands of times by homophobes ultimately said something homophobic and hateful, is NOT a justification at all. The means in which religion justifies things (relating to anti abortion and trans rights included) has an illogically made foundation. And while I support people finding comfort in a potential afterlife or purpose, I *do* believe religion and its “morals” that betray common sense will hold modern society back.

[@Biker_Gaming]

sometimes I feel like my parents will fucking disown me if I say even a single word about wanting to be a girl and stuff

[@MonkeyxKing03]

It’s hard out there, I’m sorry. I hope they’re accepting and that things work out well

[@goos42]

It can be hard, i've been there, but we just have to stand strong, i really hope everything works out

[@clobre_]

You don't have to come out if it's not safe. Wait until it's safe. It's difficult but I wish you well

[@StabbySabby]

When i first listened to the video i felt so much anger towards your dad halfway through it and then it spiraled down to sadtown real fuckin quick, i wish you a happy birthday and a long, happy life as your true self

[@Mallchad]

I almost never am even able to cry but that last message from her mother broke me... The fact that she's still denying her child's character as acceptable whilst still giving her hopes and blessings... It's so mind-bending and heart-breaking and soul-crushing all at once... I hope you get something you can be proud of real soon.

[@_zoreo]

There's a similar type of "therapy" for autism called ABA. The two are very similar and the autism community often refers to ABA as "autism conversion therapy"

[@illithiddynobolt5613]

I did not heed the warning at the start of the video and now I'm crying. Watching this video brought back so many memories of my own childhood and the abuse that I went through. I remember that I was so busy desperately struggling against suicidal depression that by the time I somehow survived long enough to move out, I was a shell of a human being. It took me years just to learn how to be human. Because I was so set back from overcoming complex PTSD, I didn't even start questioning my gender until I was 25. I've never wanted to hug someone more than Jennifer. You said you were turning 21, well I'm turning 29 soon. I haven't made any steps toward transitioning outside of small things that make me happy (wearing nail polish, wearing skirts when I'm home alone, and doing voice practice when no one is around). Still, I managed to find a job, rediscover my love of psychology, and am now an Honors student with a 4.0 GPA about to get my associate's degree next Spring. My goal is to major in developmental psychology and childhood trauma. Things can get better, and you won't feel broken forever. I hope wherever you are, you have someone who loves and supports you as much as your parents should have. Stay safe, and if you ever need more friends, let me know and I'll send you my Discord.

[@Fishchair]

The scary thing is this is the exact thing I feel like my mom would do

[@justduck4504]

same...

[@enju_lapidemsibilus]

The trauma in her voice is just It’s so sad. You can hear it and it’s heartbreaking. I’m not trans myself(I’m very straight) but I would fight for the lgbtq+ community any day. I did have a harsh upbringing, however. I had some very similar experiences and my heart goes out to you. I hope things get better for you, or if they have, they continue to get better and never, ever stop fighting for what you believe in.

[@Ardoy9761]

Wherever you are now, I hope you're doing well, king. (I don't care if you are a woman. Everyone is a king.)

[@YGNX]

As someone who went into psychology, conversion therapy is such a dark stain on psychology and medical science as a whole, it is the world's youngest medical science. And it really shows. Every time I hear about it, I die a little more inside, remembering this is one of the atrocities my field of studies has committed, to be fair, many medical sciences have their stains, but given how recent psychology's is in comparison to the majority hurts, especially given that no-one is safe in it, men, pregnant women, children, the physically disabled, the mentally disabled, veterans, it's horrific. Without psychology though, we wouldn't have our understanding of things such as depression, ADHD, Disassociate Identity Disorder, Schizophrenia, or really any mental disorder as accurately, but there are stains that are unnecessary and absolutely appalling, and conversion therapy is certainly one of them.

[@trynle5189]

You’re the strongest girl i have ever met, i’m so lucky to have you as a friend 💙

[@Azeal]

Aww :)

[@mr80s81]

I shook through most of this I won't lie, it was very intense, hearing the pain in her voice while recounting her experiences, and her overcoming it & moving forward. Thank you for sharing Jennifer's story with us, and thank you Jennifer truly thank you for being you. I'm reminded of a quote by the late Fred Rogers that i feel I should share, "You make each day a special day, you know how, by just your being you. There's only one person in the whole world like you, and i like you just the way you are."

[@luissantiago5163]

Always horrendous to hear these types of stories. Wish you the absolute best.

[@not_raine.]

dude, if she ended up becoming a serial killer after all that who could really blame her? her forgiveness is one of a kind

[@micosstar]

the amount of trauma is immense

[@MartaTarasiuk]

Mom: Allows her daughter to be savagely beaten by her other kid. Also mom: But you were safe here! How dare you escape! Jennifer, if you are by any chance reading this, your mom wasn't a good mom. It's hard to hear, I know, I too latched onto my less abusive parent as if they were some sort of saint and savior. As you said yourself, your mom was always there... and she let all of those of this things happen to you. Remember, she was the one who suspected you to be queer and supplied your dad with the "proof" need to sent you to the torture camp. Don't feel like you betrayed her, she's the one who kept on betraying you your entire life. You owe her nothing.

[@gohomesauce]

WE LOVE YOU JENNY

[@Azeal]

WOOO

[@maxwhite8616]

@@Azeal amen

[@YourFavDrone]

WE LOVE YOU JENNY!

[@Cr4z3d]

The moment they said "Southern Baptist" I knew exactly where this was going

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Of course it is always the south. Where else would it be?

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

@@thotslayer9914 being a Midwesterner myself, guess it Depends on where you are. It is probably more subtle than the south

[@Sobek-khufu]

I don't have the words to describe how I feel after watching this. I don't know how to describe the good will I wish towards Jennifer here. So I guess I'll share a story of my best friend Sophia. My best friend in the world is a trans girl. She hasn't had the best time either. She lived with only her dad around 2016 up until October of 2021 and hid who she was for the majority of that time. I don't know if this is accurate, but I'm guessing that she told her dad that she was trans in early 2021 because he suddenly was a lot less involved and caring in her life after that. With what I assume was a play to make her his son again or to distance her from other influences (and himself), her dad decided to make her live in a separate house, didn't sign her up for the senior year of high school, and made her get a job as quickly as possible. He even took her cat, which she loved a f*ck ton, and gave him to a random shelter, where he unfortunately has probably died of old age at this point. She only got to see Zuzel (the cat) one time before he was sent to wherever he is now. From what I can piece together, he really made her feel powerless, alone, and trapped within her father's grasp. I remember the last day I spent with her. We went to the local tabletop game store and played a round of D&D, watched a crappy movie at the theater, went back to her abode and played the og DOOM until like 3 in the morning. Good times. The next morning we went out to the tabletop game store again to see if they had any leftover pizza from the night before, and then we walked back to her place. I went back home from there, but was about an hour late, and I got grounded for 2 weeks. I haven't seen her since October 24th, 2021. I had obviously contacted her again after my 2 weeks were up, but got no response until around November 2nd. She had moved to California to live with her aunt during the time we were out of contact. She told me that she didn't tell me she was moving out there so I could say goodbye because she didn't want her dad to find out what she planned to do. I can only imagine the kind of grip he had on her entire life; how much he could've taken away from her. When we finally did get back to talking, she said that she had left a box of stuff for me in the basement of the place she lived in. I was supposed to get in touch with her dad about it, but he never responded. Turned out he sold every single thing that she had left behind in that house. Everything. So now here she was, and is, out halfway across the nation from anyone she thinks cares about her. "But wait" you say, "didn't you say she moved in with her aunt"? Yes. When she got there it was alright at first. She got a job, her aunt was nice, and she was in contact with me almost every day. In December of 2021, we had been staying up until 1 in the morning on Discord, and she tells me that she had something to tell me that might make me think differently about her or shun her. She told me that she was actually trans, and that it would be understandable if I didn't want to be her friend anymore. Being the sane human being who was best friends with her for over 6 years now, I obviously accepted her as she was and also told her a very personal thing about me that might make her feel differently about me. But also being the sane human being who had been friends with me for over 6 years now, she accepted me as who I am as well. Over the course of the next few months, as she told more people that she is trans, she kept being rejected by what seems to be everybody around her. Her aunt and her coworkers and the people in class (she's going for a GED right now, wish her well) all were almost disgusted. I was the only person who had actually accepted her. Her aunt didn't like that, and from my best guess started monitoring her activities on the internet, and quickly made sure that she wouldn't be able to contact me in any way. I guess I'm a "bad influence" as far as I can tell. That was supposed to be a punishment lasting 6 months. I didn't even know what was going on for 2 months until I heard from someone else that that's what was happening. I didn't hear from her at all for about 4 months. I guess at one point she was able to sneak a little bit of talking in, because we talked for about 3 days in November, but it was quickly shut down again. I now have the chance to talk to her again tomorrow night over e-mail, because her aunt compromised her discord profile or something. She's got a hail mary of a plan after she gets her GED. Her aunt says that she *will* be moving out after she gets it, and the only choice she feels she has is to come back here and rent a place with me for who knows how long. Wish us luck. Honestly, this isn't even a very complete version of the story. Maybe one day I'll see if she wants to come on here and talk about it in a video, but I'm going to say that it's semi-unlikely. Sophia, if you see this somehow, you've got this. You've made it this far, and you're coming up on the final stretch, so push as hard as you can to get out of the hellhole you're in. I'll be there at the top to pull you out of it. I don't know if I can make it without you.

[@Forcoy]

Jesus. Hope your friend does well.

[@sailorenthusiast]

I’m so sorry that you had to go through literal hell on earth just because your family couldn’t accept you for who you are. What your mom said in that last call wasn’t true. That wasn’t a safe place, and you are safer away from them. It’s a real shame that none of them recognized that hurting you in that way was unacceptable and cruel. I am glad that you managed to escape when you could and I wish you well on the path of recovery from all that bullcrap.

[@Ugg_Son_Of_Thogg]

This whole talk got me thinkin' that we should have a bunch of campaigns where you teach people, specifically kids and middle aged adults who have children, how to think rationally, more about science and all that. Basically just educating people on how to be better people. Every time I see a phenomenon where people do bad things because they don't know better, it pisses me off. I am so sure that a lot of the negative things happening in this world done by humans is all just from lack of education. We need to start forcing people to learn science.

[@kittenmimi5326]

But in a lot of places education is a business and therefore it's manipulated in all sorts of ways so the price is way too high, ir's all for profit, teachers lack proper qualifications... etc Ideally yeah what you said should be true but before that there's a lot of proboem ppl need to solve first...

[@Ugg_Son_Of_Thogg]

@@kittenmimi5326 GOD DAMN YOU CAPITALISM! If only people would realize a more stable and long lasting economy where the earth is not being fucked over so much and where more people flourish rather than just having the higher class screw everyone else over while they get richer. A future where societies are managed in a way not focused on profits, but for the betterment of everyone. A future where science reigns supreme, where progress is all that matters.

[@fatguy338]

Unfortunately a lot of churches preach to never trust anything but the bible and to immediately distrust anything that doesn't come from the church, rendering direct education near impossible. Subtle long term exposure to a new perspective some times works.

[@ILikeFossilpokemon]

Holy fuck I can't even imagine all of that. I was raised in a Christian kindergarten in a Christian country and still haven't come out yet to anyone except a few people online. I haven't watched through the whole video as I'm writing this, but I hope that you're in a safe and comfortable place now since no one deserves to go through all that hell that you did for absolutely no reason. You're so strong and brave for pushing through all of that and sharing your story. Youre valid and inspirational, but if you're one thing you're a trooper.

[@featuringdantefromthedevil9749]

Ngl after this vid I went OFF on my punching bag imagining it as this girls dad

[@snecilia9601]

Youre a man of justice

[@Soppycid-dv5hj]

Same, but I don’t have a punching bag so I just used some pillows

[@RunOut25]

I’ve never been one to show much emotions when it comes to all the bad stuff in the world, but man, this really got me. The fact that it just hits so close to home) for context, I’m a closeted transfem, and nobody on my family except my oldest brother is supportive of trans people) it just made me cry for the first time I’m a long time about just how truly despicable some people can be, and not feel guilty for ruining people lives “to fix them”. You are an absolute legend, for not only making it through all that, but to still be your true self and come forward about your experiences and show people just how evil conversation therapy is. I hope you’re doing better now

[@Azeal]

🧡

[@Shaedem]

I've seen almost all of your videos and this is one of the most tough to watch, it's unbelievable how a family could hate so much their son or daughter just because of religion, glad Jennifer is better now and hope the best for her ❤️.

[@cuki2010]

it hurts, it really does hurt, when you hear stories like this. Innocent, good people, tortured for 'their own good'. To use faith as an excuse to act on their hatred with impunity; it is disgusting. Hope she's doing better now. As for those assholes, well, they'll get their due, either here or on the other side.

[@kittenmimi5326]

Yeah like isn't that the true sin to hate on people for being themselves and to torture children thats the true sin yet they are busy worrying abt stupid things like punishing trans ppl wtf

[@blank8166]

as a fellow autistic person, and a pansexual, it is heartbreaking to know that parents or even ANYONE could fathom doing this to a child. I’m so happy that you are in a safe place now best of luck on your journey ♥️♥️

[@i-make-music-sometimes]

How can this shit be legal, it's child abuse

[@04phanthanhbinhjake9]

It's legal as long as the law maker and politicians said so

[@monkeybonez]

Because idiots think it’s “helping” us. As if there was something to fix in the first place.

[@snecilia9601]

Gay sex was decriminalized in the USA in 2001(I think) via the Supreme Court case Texas v Lawrence. Before then, if someone caught you having gay sex in your own home, they could call the cops on you.