Bad EGR Cooler Leak Breaks Massey Engine! $$$ Expensive Repair

With a bad EGR failure, it gets expensive quick!
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Here's how a bad EGR cooler leak on a Sisu engine turned into a massive engine job on a Massey Ferguson 4610.
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[@dustinnickel5840]

You never hear anybody talking about how much they love their emissions control components on their Diesel engine....

[@52Ford]

Or anything else. I think the only people that like to see catalytic converters on cars are the EPA and a thief with a cordless sawzall;

[@alexsheppard8331]

@@52Ford Do the right thing and get rid of the old cat.

[@andrewsmart2949]

off road app,remove all egr crap

[@HANKTHEDANKEST]

@@andrewsmart2949 Unless the machine is so "modern" that its computers pitch an immediate hissy-fit and the starter solenoid won't even engage. They make delete kits for some engines, but not all. Total crap.

[@andrewsmart2949]

@@HANKTHEDANKEST most can be reprogrammed without issue

[@jellehesselink4011]

I can confirm all 4600 series masseys were built on a Monday.

[@TheDayadeepaksingh]

All 4710s too

[@adamkruskama8455]

Thought the 4710s were good?

[@TheDayadeepaksingh]

@@adamkruskama8455 I did too. Issa trap

[@adamkruskama8455]

We just bought a 5711 because it wasn’t built in China and I was skeptic on a three cylinder diesel. So far so good but we only have had it for two months and 100 hrs.

[@SqueakyTron]

my dad bought a riding lawn mowing and a blade flew off on its maiden voyage.

[@Error-5478]

Stuff built Monday: doesnt work right, and hardly runs. Stuff built on Friday: dangerous, if it runs. Stuff built on Wednesday: probably the best of what you're gonna get.

[@necrothescistt8164]

What about stuff built on a Saturday or a Sunday?

[@Error-5478]

@@necrothescistt8164 run

[@chadsimmons6347]

You have to hire factory workers according to "diversity" not capability!

[@Error-5478]

@@chadsimmons6347 Everyone needs a job. Not everyone is very capable. And factory work requires little to no skill. Some people like me are blessed with being useless.

[@Mopars_41]

I've always loved Massey Harris/Massey Ferguson tractors and combines. My grandpa bought a massey Ferguson dealership in 1967, and had in until 81. Those in my opinion were the glory days of Massey's. Fun fact, we didn't do hardly any warranty work until the 2000 series came out. But after the dealership we became a Combine salvage yard, had about as many massey as we did JD, Gleaner, and IH, but we only had the 300, 410, 510, 540, 550, 750, 760, 850, 860 combines, then in 1987 we became a Tractor salvage yard at another store, had a lot of massey there too, newest we had was a massey Ferguson 8150, which was also one of our best salvage tractors. As for collectible tractors, grandpa had a Massey Ferguson 165 High crop (the only one left in the world), Massey Harris 202 serial number 1, Massey Harris 4X4, Massey Harris 555, massey Ferguson 135 vineyard, just to name a few. Sadly he passed away a month ago, and we have to get rid of a lot of his stuff, we also closed the businesses last year. But I still do love Massey tractors, and combines.

[@slowride55]

I unloaded a new Massey off the truck the other day and the fuel gauge read empty. They didn't hook up the sending unit wires.

[@jakobbeckstead1624]

I worked at a New Holland/Massey dealership up until a few months ago, we hardly sold any Massey's. Back when Massey started putting electronics on (autotronics/datatronics) there was lots of problems and left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I don't think Massey ever really recovered from that (that's my opinion). Also, I don't know if it's just the way our sales Dept ordered the tractors or what but we never put loaders on anything, they were installed when they arrived. I did have an instance where a transmission housing broke due to loose loader bolts so yeah most Massey's are built on Mondays

[@sandyman1348]

I work as a Massey tech for the last couple years at a small dealership. The bolts loose is not a surprise, we have had to warranty anything from rims to loader bolts on their compact/subcompact tractors, causing us to have to check half a dozen different places and re'torque bolts before a tractor goes. We don't install loaders at our dealer, as far as i know most don't, when we order the tractor it comes pre-installed. We haven't had this specific issue on any of our 4600s, but water pumps have been decently common, and we have done 2 starters. An annoying thing about the 4600s is that when you pull the hydraulic filters (there are 2 and are big) the tractor dumps oil on the ground, about 5 gallons if you are really fast per filter. Its to the point where we will drain all the hydraulic oil when we do just a filter change just to avoid a mess.

[@antoniobenacchio9432]

Saw an engine with an egr that went, operator saw a low coolant warning and was told to finish their shift, pulled the head and the #1 cylinder was 1 cm Lower then #6 at TDC! When we tore into it further and found the #1 con rod was actually compressed.

[@DGHD]

Hydraulics is a funny thing sometimes.

[@MrShakotan]

Egr coolers have been the cause of many cooked engines and warped heads on onroad pickups for years.

[@PatrickBaptist]

Yup and I refuse to own one.

[@alouisschafer7212]

The first thing id do is deactivate my EGR

[@theheavywrench9549]

Big cause of Egr cooler failure, is getting air trapped in the cooler. causing a hot spot and forming a crack. That’s just what I have found out. Usually has had a previous low coolant issue before the cooler fails.

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

Observed the same in my area. I work in a Cummins dealer. Pretty common if it's ran low on coolant.

[@theheavywrench9549]

Dylan Houser ya we see it on most of the equipment I see. I think it’s a problem across all engine manufacturers. Komatsu / Cummins use to have that screw on top of the intake to bleed out the air. Which was awesome.

[@jeffrey717]

Damn. I never realized that egr cooler could bend a rod...then again, no egr will be found on my equipment!

[@fastinradfordable]

Maninthebox On a diesel it only takes about a tablespoon of fluid per cylinder to bend a rod

[@bobbybeyer2127]

Nathan Brame yeah the comp ratios on diesels mean they’re even less tolerant of water that a gasser

[@jeffrey717]

Actually that depends on the piston design and size of engine. I've seen Cummins, Detroit, and volvos just smoke white as if a head gasket but it's a cooler. Change out and down the road you go.

[@corystevens7426]

I have seen a Cummins ISX 871 kick #5 rod out of the block because of the egr cooler failure. Most of the time it will just Hydro lock

[@hedydd2]

Until very recently MF/Sisu engines used internal EGR, enabled purely by valve timing overlap, rather than the more complex external cooled EGR. Fairly sure that in Europe they only started using external managed EGR when they also introduced SCR [DEF] on the engines. Could be wrong, as things have been changing so rapidly in this regard in recent years.

[@Mauser304]

I keep hearing this kind of thing about Massey. I looked at them two years ago when I purchased the last tractor. I walked away shaking my head. They were by far the lightest build of those I looked at.

[@keliikoamiller8173]

11:53 my boss did that too me multiple times when I first started, lol.

[@jeepanimal2943]

Just like you said, the older ones, the 1100 series, the 275's even the 165 or 135's, seem more fool proof, and simpler. AND, a lot of them are still running!

[@imatt6566]

Sharing information that could save tons of people thousands!! I don't own any of these machines, yet seeing the repairs and failure logic will help me on other applications. Thanks for sharing!!

[@crazyfarmerbro1136]

These are the new tractors no longer built by Massey-Ferguson but by agco as a cheaper alternative to their fendt line so not as much focus on quality as the old English built tractors

[@MrZimmaframe]

Crazy Farmer Bro Still got my Massey Ferguson 35 that my Grandad bought in 1955, that got handed down to my dad and now me.

[@WBOS72]

I agree, the Coventry built tractors are excellent. I wont touch a Fendt with a 10’ pole, agco is focusing too much on fendt, not on tbeir heritage.

[@WBOS72]

The 4700 series is built in China - no thanks.

[@smundurornmatthiasson7319]

True newer masseys have been unreliable here were i live and the company that sells them here went bankrupt but i love the fendts we have a 2014 716 fendt with 16k hours and no problems ive always been pleased with fendts through out the years

[@rgj5832]

Really sad John Deere has there issues of course but I love mine still built in the USA of course nothing is like it use to be but I do the best I can!

[@tomschevette]

This happened to a diesel van I had the egr cooler just gave up at 70mph low coolent light low oil light a rod right though the block. When I stripped the engine 3 cylinders full of water other one was now living outside the block 😂

[@delprice3007]

You make this look so easy---great video!

[@charlieritchel1492]

Glad to see another video!!

11:54 Now that's some bollocksology right there.

[@austingoss1]

Sounds like when overflow tank busted they ran it low then they filled it back up and a gas pocket made its way to the egr cooler and cracked it when tractor made its way to operating temp......seen it quite a few times

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Great video Deboss

[@CubCadetMan71]

I worked at a Kubota dealer for a while. Customer dropped off a kubota about the same size As this Massey. He had bought it at an auction. It was an ex construction company tractor and it had been rode hard. The loader mounts went under the tractor by the trans and they were all missing bolts. I’m not sure how that managed to happen. Tractor ran and drove good but the front diff was shot and the tractor looked like it had been used during a tornado. We had to replace the front diff gears and drop the front axle. They were chipped to pieces. It’s amazing what people will ignore on these machines. It had been ran with a loose loader for a while

[@gmjunky87]

I remember driving an 07 (I think ) Volvo with a Cummins. Every once in awhile I'd notice it stumble and puff white smoke . Damn egr cooler!!

[@TATEXPRESSINC]

Keep up to great work on the videos

[@HANKTHEDANKEST]

Had a boss with a PSD 6.0 in a delivery van once--that engine also had EGR issues. Suffice to say, I got a lot of unexpected vacation days because of that engine.

[@dieselman8v923]

I've done a few egr coolers on these tractors. Luckily it was before it caused internal damage. They got lucky. Edit: Also want to add that Massey has a 6 year emission warranty.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Does it transfer or is it only to the original owner?

[@DGHD]

@@chickenfishhybrid44 non transferable and they were the second owners

[@ShawnCFarm]

What about the 2607h 74 horse? I have a 2019

[@ShawnCFarm]

@AL CAPPS so I should be good then. I heard it was a copy of a Perkins

[@dieselman8v923]

@@ShawnCFarm Simpson has been good so far by its self but have has some emission issues with them if people don't work them hard.

[@shenno1125]

Great video mate👍

[@TempestZeta]

Love these farm videos!

[@WIDESIDE72]

Woulda been interesting to compare the length of old rods and new rods. I will stick to my 1967 MF 2200 with a Perkins. Granted i dont have to make a living with it.

[@jimtekkit]

Compared to older air-cooled diesels, which a) had no coolant to leak, and b) no EGR cooler for the coolant to leak through lol

[@mikefunk2841]

Yes I’ve heard nothing good about those newer Massey tractors from farmers that have them in my area too.

[@OneShot_G]

Nice touch tapping on the rim when he fired it up that'll spike the blood pressure.

[@petepeeff5807]

Love this content. I won't see this new stuff in my shop for years if ever. Nice to see what is out there though.

[@DGHD]

Yeah, the older stuff is holding its value great because of stuff like this.

[@HotForgeChaos]

@@DGHD I looked up an old 5.9 Maxxum 110 the other day and it was going to cost me about $36k NZD for one, yet a 2013 4cyl Iveco? Maxxum 110 is about $70k. I know what one is going to last longer

[@matthewgray3375]

@@HotForgeChaos we have a McCormick mtx125 which was a Perkins variant of the mx110 out of the same factory after cih sold it to Argo, even the Perkins engined versions went well, the rule of thumb with buying a mtx, is only buy a 4spd PS one, and Red chassis were English

[@ryankovaly3927]

Good ol liner protrusion ... paccar has taught me well .. a regular occurrence lol

[@tudor.turtle1958]

Thanks

[@tyorkshireman5678]

ive done a few ERG coolers but on JCB load all there built in to the radiator pack so have to replace the full lot

[@melias67]

Never have I ever worked on a tractor, only cars, but I have to say these agricultural videos are really intersting!

[@MrZimmaframe]

We have a 4711 and can confirm the bolts a loose on them. The drive shaft shroud bolts fell out while mowing and the shroud was digging into the ground lol like a mini blow 😂. A few other bolts here and there too. Check the door bolts 🔩 too..

[@jonathanvanginkel3849]

We had almost the exact same problem with our deutz 615m , we checked everything and cleaned it all , new head gaskets get delete and she runs mint

[@MrJerryjam]

Great video with excellent narration!..But Hey! You know that already.

[@roadrash90]

Sad too see what Massey and all the other tractor manufacturers have become. My grandad still has his Massey 135 that he bought brand new and the biggest thing he ever had to get done with it was a new fitted cab with better insulation and an ac system (this is his everyday vehicle since mid too late 90s lol)

[@brendanbattlefield1265]

Was a stacker driver for a sizable hay farm with big square bales, had a Demo Massey, dont remember what size it was, but within a week the brakes were all screwed up, you would get nothing,nothing, nothing, then lock them up. And when you have 6 big bales on the back it would tend to rip the chip seal off the road

[@aarondyer2161]

The 4600 series all have this egr cooler issue, not terribly common but it does happen, the biggest issue with the 4610 specifically is the front cover of the transmission failing causing rough engagement of the power shuttle. And yes built by izeki not massey Furgesson.

[@mikeobrien3744]

Built on a Monday is a real thing. (same as Friday.) I have a Tuesday Plymouth, tight and right from day one.

[@SteelBlueCorvette]

Our modern large class 8 engines are dependent on the coolant reservoir to protect against cavitation but it is an integrated part of the system and is pressurized. I would imagine this little engine is similar. Break the reservoir and even if it stays cool on the gauge could be boiling water in the cooler and warping it / cracking it. Our stuff does have a pressure sensor in the EGR system and low coolant shutdown.

[@johnparrish9215]

I dot terminally pissed off with my egr cooler the first time it went out and I saw how much damage it could do. I deleted the factory water cooled one and made an air cooled one, looks like a tiny intercooler, I even put a fan on it. Now if this one breaks it will not take the engine with it.

[@matthewgray3375]

Sounds interesting!

[@martinziefle1647]

Doing the same on my car at the moment. It has received a new engine, then blown the egr cooler one the first drive and was parked since then. Now i have to deal with rust in one cylinder on an enigine with less then 100 miles. Before i started it after sitting so long turned it over by hand, then cranked it without injection, so it neer hydrolocked and it ran perfect at least when ther was no coolent in the systeme. I will pull the piston, run a hone trough the cylinder an hope for the best.

[@bkretschmann90]

I was literally just messing with a Detroit series 60 gen 1 egr cooler and if I didnt make up something that worked, the swap to the new egr system was $3000.

[@brianburdine4620]

Seen multiple failed EGR coolers, only a couple causing the engine to lock up. I always thought the hydro-locking due to a cracked EGR cooler causes the exhaust gas/coolant mixture to be brought through the intake side of the engine once the EGR valve opens. Not going through the exhaust valve into the cylinder. Especially being that most EGR coolers are mounted under the exhaust manifold.

[@Skusty]

Is there any service required after the first hours of use where the dealer checks bolts and such? I know that a lot of trailer manufacteurs in Europe require a checkup after the first month of use if you want to keep your warranty.

[@f-j-Services]

You need a large IH with the 400 series engine man. lol. Indestructable.

[@mesh1248]

Pretty sure all the new massys are built on a monday from my experiences if ya want one not built on a monday you buy a fendt

[@Sbanar]

The bigger ones are fine

[@hedydd2]

I wonder whether this is a Chinese built tractor? Seriously. They manufacture the three cylinder engine and the Global Series tractors there, and Cararro have a front axle factory out there to supply the MF factory also. For Europe at least, the Global Series is sent over to France to have a French built cab installed, but the whole transaxle is Chinese. Cerainly the mechanical drive versions but not sure about Dyna4 models.

[@Sbanar]

@@hedydd2 probably, looks worlds apart from a "real" massey

[@hedydd2]

@@Sbanar There's no such thing as a 'real Massey' of course. The 35 was very different to the TE20 Grey Fergie. The 65 very different again. The 2000 series a radical redesign as were the 3000 series which were as groundbreaking in terms of electronic automation as the original Ferguson was to implement control. I suspect that what you consider to be a 'real' Massey depends very much on your age and what you were brought up with. MF have always been a global corporation with models built in many countries and they also license older designs to other countries to be sold as both MF and whatever the local brand wants to be called. For instance the old 35 and 240 models that used to be built in Coventry are still made and sold as TAFE and MF. MF in Asia and TAFE when exported to the UK.

[@Sbanar]

@@hedydd2 i meant a 7618 or something. Really anything other than this small modern shite

[@workingcountry1776]

Imlearned how to drive in a brand new 1998 Massy Ferguson 4243 with mfwd and full cab. Nice little Perkins turbo on it and a quickie brand loader wed put on sometimes for bucket or fork lift work. Its 22 years old now and last I knew they were still using it for field and utility work. Shame they arent as good these days. That lil 4243 was no 200hp cummins but it was nice to use

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Would have been cool to see the measurements with the new rods to see how bent they really were.. if at all. Lol

[@matthewdupuis232]

Yup.

[@Cragified]

The milkshake had been through the bearings anyway. So in his mind as would be my mind you replace them anyway just in case because you are already there and no real reason to do the measurements again.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@@Cragified huh? Yeah you would replace the bearings no matter what and I'm not really insulting his decision to replace the rods since he's already there... I'm just saying it would be a nice thing to know or see if the rods were actually bent, just because. Or as a data point for later to know how likely it is that rods get bent after an episode like that. It's not a hard or time consuming measurement to take... wouldn't surprise me if he did it and just didn't share it with us.. Because if the measurements were the same or close and show that the rods might not have been bent than that might not look great after spending all the time and money.. lol

[@Cragified]

"Because if the measurements were the same or close and show that the rods might not have been bent than that might not look great after spending all the time and money.. lol" The time and money was already spent. The head was off, the caps have been removed to look at the bearings. Taking the pistons out and swapping the rods is a few minutes time. So other then cost it is already done, and since MF wouldn't give him a spec it had to be done to warranty the job. So no point messing around with dial indicators for a quarter hour. The fact was that one rod wasn't true to the others so one had to be changed. At that point without a spec it didn't matter if the other two were true to spec or not so you change those as well given that there was water in all the cylinders. From a curiosity perspective it would be interesting to know if all got bent or not. But in terms of costs and time finding out would only add more labor to the customer or be waste labor for the shop operator.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

@@Cragified I never said replacing the rods was a bad idea. Don't understand why you felt the need to beat that to death. Still stand by seeing the numbers even just for shits would have been nice. Would be good for someone in a similar situation to maybe have as at least a reference for their tractor. Why would he charge the customer to take the measurement? You're acting like it would take hours to check.

[@Panburns]

Uncle rod, up to his old tricks.

[@brownwrench]

The cooler is usually the prime suspect with modern diesels when you have coolant in the oil or disappearing coolant.

[@Parents_of_Twins]

Some of the new tractors have more sensors and tech on them then new cars. I have always been a Massey Ferguson fan as well but they aren't existed really since 1994 when they were purchased by AGCO who also own White, Fendt, Challenger, and Valtra. Case IH is owned now by CNH who also owns New Holland, and who used to own Versatile. I kind of miss the days of each brand being owned by the name that was on the damn tractor versus some multi billion dollar corporation, I know pure craziness.

[@blakeb1992]

Thats a bummer. How many hours?

[@Don-lo9di]

egr coolers have cost a lot of money in reairs .

[@rswany16]

Can confirm that 7622 Massey Fergusons were made on Mondays as well.

[@David-xl8zf]

Seems like AGCO is open on mondays only... At least the Fendts/Challengers are running halfway decent. Although I had to clean three exploded hydro oil spills off the street last year.

[@johnseifert7785]

We had a 4610 that went through 3 of them in 1800 hrs.....I won't tell on you if you deleted the egr cooler when the camera was off ;).

[@gumelini1]

Same thing happened to our new JCB 4cx

[@chasp_0784]

Would have liked to see the piston protrusions after the rods went in

[@GenAfterNextTactics]

Dang when was this filmed? I havent seen that guy on the channel in a long time

[@mikejburns]

Your customer could do the same with a used DB990. I still use mine (free tractor with the farm I bought). I did tear it apart and rebuild it. My new 3cyl JD (5075) has given me no issues, but I do prefer to run the old David Brown when I can.

[@disturbedcarrot]

David Browns are awesome, especially the smaller ones, 1210s upwards only ok. And extremely light on diesel too compared to a Ford.

[@paullewis6612]

Nice job. So what is the piston protrusion on the new new pistons? Oh no!! Don’t tell me you didn’t check !! (Jokes) 🙂😁

[@sHoRtBuSseR]

Did you happen to measure the pistons after the new rods were in? Curious to see if they were meant to be zeroed

[@ShawnCFarm]

I was told when I bought my 2019 2607h 74 horse that it is bumper to bumper for five years

[@DGHD]

what they don't tell you is that its not transferable between new owners. When you buy it used, that piece of paper gets ripped in half

[@ShawnCFarm]

@@DGHD Thats ok as I bought it brand new for 42,000 no tax as it was over 60 horse. Its got almost 70 hours on it now and they came and picked it up and replaced two sensors at no charge. just cost me for the oil change. I think one of the sensors had some thing to do with the EGR

[@gregvill9068]

HEY you gotta get kitty to say more than one meow.its only fair.

[@danstevens2204]

Running the same egr cooler 😂

[@joachimsingh2929]

What was the sleve to piston measurement after you put new pistons on? You got 27 and 28 and one over 30 before the change

[@psygn0sis]

Surprised you didn't measure the new rods once they were in... you know, for the next guy watching this video. (Or you did, and found they were close to the originals) : P

[@jbrizz99]

I wanted to see the old bent rods too ;)

[@Deboy-qx7kf]

Wow we have this jcb 3cx that has been giving this egr warning for like a year. It appears anytime the machine reaches a certain temperature.

[@gethinjones1348]

Beggers belief that these modern engines can't hack it. Compare this engine to my 1954 Standard 4 cylinder in my Grey Fergie Diesel and there's always going to be one winner in my opinion.

[@Kowyn]

I never hear much praise for new masseys. Got no complaint's about the 255 though.

[@mikefedele4521]

Diesel and emissions are like a very evil ying yang trying to ripp it's self apart...

[@lewisbradford3305]

Would like to havr seen the clearance after new rod install

[@MrRobert1603]

Did you do any egr delete? Thanks

[@curtisoberholtzer4033]

We have a 5610 which i believe has the same engine and its egr coolant line started leaking. Like Rich says the old tractors with the Perkins are great we still have some around but these newer ones.....i dont think we will be buying another one.

[@Ethan-ck6iz]

Take a look at Attitude Adjuster's old videos of his Massey. Sounds like all these 4600s are lemons.

[@MinusTheSparkPlugs]

If you don't have pressure in the cooling system especially under load it will cause localized boiling in the egr cooler causing hot spots leading to internal warping/cracking of the cooler even if it's not getting hot otherwise

[@Jim0i0]

I've got a Massey 4608 (detuned 4610). Really hope I don't run into this problem.

[@gagecoduto7070]

That engine still has cross hatching in the cylinders too, how many hours were on it?

[@actorzone856]

John Deere powertech engine have similar EGR cooler that will leak, my tractor had stick go into radiator so overheated, then I rebuilt engine, lucky I found EGR cooler leaking before putting oil in engine, not fun seeing coolant running out of sump plug, $1500 for new cooler.

[@charlietanner6211]

i would have put in a new set of rings all that work rings will go next if theyv ever reseal

[@alexandermckay8594]

AGCO strikes again! Probably Brazilian made. I'm surprised the head didn't grenade!

[@rgj5832]

Yeah sadly AGCO has ruined several good brands I had to go to John Deere to get made in USA or at least mostly made here,

[@billprigge7747]

Pretty sure the 4600 series are the cheapest built tractors I’ve ever worked on. If it wasn’t the egr coolers ruining engines it was the breaks dragging or the input shaft for the trans twisting off. And they all had loose or missing loader frame bolts

[@matthewgray3375]

The weird part is that's more iseki, I have a friend with one and he likes it, but I do understand they were not popular, and they appeared to fill a gap in there line up, the Chinese assembled 47,57,67 series seem to go well here, they sell so well in USA they have opened a factory there too, they utilise a trans from the French factory, sisu motors (valtra origin)

[@Lee-nd4yf]

If you dont mind me asking what was the measurement with the new rods in if you guys did it ?

[@mrvv8337]

If there is no differential pressure valve sensor measuring exhaust flow I think I would fabricate a puck to block off the exhaust and bypass the coolant.

[@hendo337]

What is that big I3? I always thought it would be cool if Cummins made a 3CT 4.15L, half a 8.3L 6CT. Would be great if height is less of an issue than length and maybe fit where a 3.9L 4BT won't.

[@dwilsonfarms6541]

Ours started leaking and we had to replace the egr and head gasket

[@mattcanfield6384]

Sad these modern tractors will never be (grandpa's) 8n or Farmall or 70 year old whatever tractor they will be garbage scrapyard material in 20 or less years as Soon as the emmisions kill it and the repairs are more than the tractor is worth sad but true, so keep that old iron running

[@farwest571]

Can you still run a farm with an 8n or 70 year old tracker and be profitable? I dont thinks so...I have this same argument with my family...this is the future of farming as I see it...my grandpa would not buy a machine without a clutch until my dad went and got one without him knowing...the last generation dose not like anything the next generation will use...sure they made things to last in the old days...but where not in the old days anymore...if your in line to inherit the farm or ranch...do not be afraid of this new technology...learn how it works and how to properly maintain it...because the stuff there going to come out with in the years to come I'm sure will be much more complex and challenging...good luck

[@farwest571]

@Wikkitt Klown you said it with the lease...you have very good points...I dont know who the walkers are but I'm glad that there able to make it work with the older machines....I feel the same about buying a new peice of equipment...no way...for the past 5 years we've leased all our harvest equipment....regular maintenance and if anything major fails its warranty...luckily our local dealer is USUALLY on sight fast...but I could see how this could be a problem...we've purchased insight for John deere and can do most diagnostic tests and miner code clearing to get us through till the dealer shows up...I just want us to be ready and at least have a clue as to how these machines work and operate...agin this stuff is not going away and is only going to get worse

[@KR-hg8be]

@Wikkitt Klown the welkers are running restored, fairly heavily modified tractors with stuff like gps self driving equpiment added on to make them as efficient as possible.. And then they have problems with nla parts for stuff like the twin disk trans they reused in those old big buds. I think the fact that big buds were built useing engines from semis is what makes it possible to keep them going. You'll also notice how they get all exited when they demo new stuff like that patriot sprayer, huge new ih combines or the quadtrac because it gets the job done so much faster than the brute or buds do.

[@Porty1119]

@@farwest571 At least in mining, you can run 70-year-old rail equipment and be profitable. All of our rubber-tire is 30-50 years old as well, new enough to have some safety features but no computer chips.

[@elij.s.7580]

"but it was still running when you picked it up!"

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

Nope, built on the last shift of a Friday right before a holiday weekend or week long shutdown. Also, EGR does have other benefits besides just emissions. Cooling the EGR gas is mostly emissions though. It would be nice if a simple part like that didn't trash the whole engine though. Some QC on parts supply is in order.

[@superdupergrover9857]

Will the EGR have any effect on fuel efficiency on a diesel? I wouldn't think it would, but I have zero experience with diesel equipment.

[@robertcochrane9491]

it would have been nice if you measured again with the new rods fitted to see what the difference was

[@boowiebear]

I am curious what these repairs cost. Would love to know a range at least. Like $3-5k. Around $5k etc. Thoughts DEBOSS?