Baldur’s Gate 3 is WAY Too Good Apparently...

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Baldur's Gate 3 has been called an "Unreasonable Standard" for AAA Developers to achieve. I think that's pure nonsense. Larian Studios is one of the best, most ethical developers out there and Baldur's Gate 3 will hopefully raise EVERYONE'S standards for new video games.
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[@TheActMan]

Get your air up here: airup.link/45xllWP use code ACTMAN for 15% off all your orders #airup #airuppartner Really goes to show how low standards have gotten in the game industry when other developers think making a game this good is impossible lmao

[@DreSaidSoo]

here before pinned

[@Artobacco]

Love you act man

[@ugfpandas007]

Bet

[@Artobacco]

You’re my favorite only fans creator

[@eeeeee8762]

Deez nuts

[@ResonantJustice]

Only in the gaming industry can there exist a debate about a game “being too good”. 💀

[@noblewolf1526]

crazy huh?

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

"We should be allowed to be terrible at out jobs!" Seems to have worked out well for Hollywood so far

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Shoutout to the phenomenal dynamic writing which was the least mentioned and complimented in the comment section.

[@Sakaki98]

@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese Has it, though…?

[@meansbentnose6281]

Sad to say, this attitude has bled over from progressive politics. Doesn't mean we should all jump on that trash ridden bandwagon though, just that we should make sure to support good work when we see it..

[@GeremyG]

Heaven forbid a company release a feature complete game without predatory microtransactions and a battlepass. That’s just way too high of standards to have to live up to.

[@Bongodog08]

God forbid anyone release a finished game. That's too much work man

[@calmdown9094]

act 3 and on have tons of bugs, they have a 10$ dlc available on day 1, they were in early access for 3 years still launched an incomplete game. youre just a virtue signaling shill who spouts ignorance.

[@lewisphillips7223]

...is BG3 finished then? Could have sworn Act 3 was missing content, an entire zone and proper endings.

[@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429]

In a world where everyone thinks fast pace twitchy stuff with battle passes is the only way to make money a D&D style game is dominating. Is nature healing?

[@UTxTheArchangel]

hell even DLC. Swen, the boss of Larian, said they aren't even working on post launch expansions and haven't decided yet on if they will. Their current plan is fixing bugs in Act 3, which is needed bc Act 3 is very buggy even with 2 broken quest. But kudos has to be given to not even having expansions on the mind. While most studios got expansions roadmapped before release of the base game.

[@FourDozenEggs]

What breaks my heart is that all these AAA companies have so many devs that I bet are just as talented and passionate as Larian, but they are at the full mercy of whoever owns them. Larian is what happens when devs who give a damn are independent and free to make the game they want to make.

[@camf33]

And that is exactly what happens my friend, it’s not the Dev’s skills, they are all as talented, it’s the greedy fu..s on top of these corporations, starting with EA, Bethesda, and the list goes on.. F’em. Let them close their shop for their incompetence of catering to their consumers.

[@HiGlowie]

Agreed. The devs are at the will of the execs and shareholders.

[@3XZDgg]

errr... it was the devs complaining about bg3 being too good, not the suits.

[@Foxtrox7616]

​@@3XZDgg of course *some* of those devs are just as sad as their leaders, can't avoid that

[@SatansSun]

​@@3XZDgg likely just copium, seeing a game like Baldurs Gate be made by devs who aren't being held back by a massive corpo headed by suits pandering to shareholders rather than the consumer. The devs are salty because they'll never be able to make a game even comparable to BG3 for that very reason, so they take their anger out on games that reach these heights.

[@Peleski]

I love the way the game rewards you for going along with its kookier plots. Normally I'm like "not in a million years would I let someone operate on me with an icepick, but hey... let's see what happens".

[@jasper_the_ghost]

“Making a deal with this hag is proooooobably not a good idea… but the cool eye…”

[@Peleski]

@@jasper_the_ghost Honestly the hag's deal is the worst. Perception is so important in the game, it's best left alone. I can't count how many times I failed to perceive a switch etc

[@jasper_the_ghost]

@@Peleski Absolutely… but a teifling with one red eye and one green looks reaaaally cool XD

[@Peleski]

@@jasper_the_ghost but that can be set up in char creation. Mixed eye colour is a matter of taste. I never think it looks good, not fond of Will's one.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

@@Peleski I personally feel like mixed eye color happening organically (i.e through the story rather than character creator) is just better in every way personally. Cause to me it then feels like a progressive story element for your character rather than "hehe he/she has other color eye cause of some bullshit I made up in my head like 10 minutes ago." Like with Volo using an icepick on your eye, failing to remove the tadpole but now you have a mechanical eye which is why it looks different. That or you made a deal with a hag. All of which are better than "I clicked a box in character creation."

[@BlaiseArath]

The funny thing is here, Larian didn't raise any standards, they simply brought them back to where they were before Microtransactions/Battlepasses/live Services ruined the entire industry. Baldurs Gate III is simply a time machine into an era when games were made to be good because thats the only way they made money. Baldurs Gate 3 gives us a look into what gaming would be right now if not for the MTX invasion.

[@Rekhan4242]

This is clearly a bunch of lies, what do you think you are talking about? Battle passes, yearly season passes, and microtransactions have clearly expanded the ability for players to enjoy the game. Why would we possibly go back to that primitive way to making all the money possible? (How did we get to this point? Greed, instead of passionate developers.)

[@a.r.5100]

Well, no. That is not true. Lariat definitely did raise the standard. They are what Detroit become human is for tetelltale

[@AMediumSizedKodiak]

@@a.r.5100your analogy makes no sense. Detroit is by Quantic Dream, a company with a long history of making “telltale” style games. They have been around longer than TTG by a large margin.

[@ramonade_knives]

Yeah, I only play games that are full with no microtransactions and for the past 10 years I haven't played many games.

[@dynamicguy7777]

*It's finally finished* kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3yzi6SNq5uVh5o

[@quiett6191]

This backlash against Larian Studios by AAA billion dollar corporations, with staff in the thousands is one of the most hilarious stories I've heard in a while. This like if David strides up, and when Goliath sees him, he whines "No fair!!" stomps his foot, and runs off crying.

[@masterlinktm]

"with staff in the thousands" That is because a lot of the AAA corpos have DEI and are required to hire worthless people just to meet stupid quotas.

[@SubzeroNr1]

That is so well said.

[@tylerschofield]

Yeah its hysterical. Gamers want a finished working product upon purchase?! Heresy apparently! Like can you imagine any other industry were selling a broken un finished product would be even remotely acceptable! Going to buy a car and when you turn up to collect it, 3 wheels and the engine are missing and your told you will receive the rest of the car in small bits over the course of 1-2 years haha

[@bassslutnan2908]

where is the backslash?

[@atraxian5881]

It's like school bullies with bad grades picking on a student with high grades because it makes them look bad.

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

The writing in this game is so good. Really needed after the terrible writing in most AAA titles of the past 10 years.

[@chefmike3794]

Cough halo infinite

[@hawkeyedsentinel4648]

You know modern AAA games are going to shit when they can't even deliver a decent linear story whereas Baldur's gate 3 has so many different pathways the story could go and its still better 💀

[@koenwijnen8278]

The writing is cringe often and why force so much sexual stuff

[@ovidiudiumea4012]

@@koenwijnen8278 I totally agree about the sexual stuff, it's too much.

[@JohnSmith-bs9ym]

@@koenwijnen8278 Every guy in camp hitting on you as a guy lol...

[@dxmxxn9640]

Larian studios delivered such a pure and honest product that it quite literally made me realize how much of my life I was wasting with gambling gaming like league of legends, overwatch or other competitive games. Bg3 saved my mental health and now I'm enjoying gaming again!

[@markmuller7962]

You'll be back to those games if you have ADHD like me Edit: Untreated ADHD

[@greattitan371]

​@@markmuller7962You should get treated for that probably

[@markmuller7962]

@@greattitan371 I'm still waiting for the official government diagnosis but thank you for your concern

[@ReizokoRyu]

Wow, I legit thought this was my own comment, cuz that's exactly how I feel LOL. This game and Elden Ring brought me back to my roots enjoying single player experiences rather than enduring stress and frustration in online PvP 24/7

[@kasperdusauchoit2881]

As a Belgian im proud as hell about Larian's policy. Also in Belgium it's illegal for "gambling" in games. Stuff like lootboxes is litterly forbidden

[@11Survivor]

Belgium doing God's work

[@delpoxi2958]

god.... now i want to move to Belgium

[@RubberStig]

What languages are spoken in Belgium?

[@simplyruben3184]

​​@@RubberStigFrench and Dutch depending on where you live, upper area of Belgium is Dutch and the other area tends to be more French spoken. If I recall correct that is.

[@kasperdusauchoit2881]

@@RubberStig Dutch (flemisch) french and german as for official languages. But the flemisch region knows english for the most part

[@clayton9547]

It’s like being in a ton of abusive relationships in the past and now that you have someone who treats you right, your exes come back and bash them saying that it’s unreasonable to expect to be treated well

[@orrorsaness5942]

Indeed

[@tortoiseoflegends4466]

If they try making games THIS big, yeah. AAA developers need to start making smaller, more focused and higher quality games. Not everything needs to be Elden Ring or Baldurs Gate sized.

[@dorianarbos]

@@tortoiseoflegends4466 developers don't decide what games they make, Publishers do. Only indie devs (like Larian) get to decide, and there's very few AAA indie developer studios. So @clayton9547's analogy is inaccurate. It's more like you're working your ass off for an inept, abusive employer who treats you like shit, and then a bunch of costumers come along and tell you YOU should do better in the future.

[@in2it85]

The Cycle of Abuse is called: ACTIVISION-lizzard.

[@x265_hevc5]

@@dorianarbos boo hoo. The "customers" are the ones paying your bills

[@aviatinggamer9051]

Reminds me of when Elden Ring came out and was universally loved by gamers but rival devs took the game as a personal insult

[@beanarator249]

You know, I may not be a fan of turn based, super fantastical RPG games. But I absolutely must commend Larian for creating a new precedent and standard for modern gaming. No micro transactions, no greed driven live service development. Just an amazingly crafted game made with love of the genre. Hopefully triple A studios will see this as an example for what can truly satisfy their fans while also satisfying the company financially. The Act Man, as always, has an amazing take which I could not agree with more. Whilst I probably don’t plan on playing this particular game, I truly hope that more games can follow in its footsteps and revolutionize the industry.

[@okami93kage91]

Thats the issue though, big Devs dont want to make good games, they dont care about satisfying the player base, they only want profit, like every big company across all industry now, profit is everything to them, regardless of cost to reputation, to the economy, or to the environment, they'll just keep plugging away at the direction the adviers tell them will earn the most money for the lowest amount of risk and cost. Id expect smaller companies to do that, not big companies that could ride the storm, that could afford to take riskes, but they dont, money. money. and more money, the world is dying, its harder to live than ever, but screw it, as long as the top dogs are getting big fat checks every year why would it change?

[@taylorhickman84]

@@okami93kage91 Apex legends comes to mind, great game, but one of the nails in the coffin when it's realized you can make billions off microtransactions. IIRC $2 billion in revenue in under 3 years.

[@FriezaReturns00001]

@@taylorhickman84 and half of that money alone would've been enough to greelight TitanFall 3 in-fact would've been MORE than enough to fund a Battlefront 3, but oh jeez some retard in management/CEO level won't do it cuz "aint gunna make enough profit or margin sales" jesus christ.

[@CryptoC4T]

Witcher, Cyberpunk, RDR2, DetroitBH, Skyrim, Death Stranding, Mass Effect... when I think about a great game mostly "no microransactions" games come to mind without predatory dlc's. The formula for a great single player game is there, but the sad thing is it WON'T earn as much PROFIT. I will not be suprised if with all the hype BG3 earned less than next EA microtransaction swamp. And the risk was huge.

[@admiralsnackbar69]

​@@CryptoC4Tghost if thsuhima should be on the list as it was fantastic

[@synth8519]

God, I fucking love Larian, they’ve earned their success.

[@db_524]

Yep

[@MetalCharlo]

Yep

[@Redino20]

Ngl I just might buy the game to support good company and dev practices WITH THE BENEFIT OF PLAYING A GOATED GAME TO BOOT

[@BAGGStheAugmented]

I heard of Baldurs Gate before this game came out, but I didn't give a fk until now lol.... The devs knew what they were doing, and they knew people would respond positively to this type of "unprecedented" releasee in 2023. I haven't played this game or a Baldurs Gate game, but I'm already a HUGE fan of this development studio. Bravo.

[@Diaryofaninja]

Then why dont u marry them kid?

[@TimeBucks]

I hope they see a sales boost in their other titles as well.

[@JonEmeka-rc9bv]

thumbs up

[@1border2lands3]

I’ve been a diehard fan of the studio since DOS glad they are finally getting their recognition for their commitment to high quality and attention to detail

[@ferwind]

They will going forward for sure. Everyone who became a fan of BG 3 will be looking forward to the next game from Larian with a fan base that's already been established thanks to BG3

[@Slanderbot]

dos 2 is still an incredible experience!

[@LienPhanThi-tn6qx]

Good

[@MrMattyG]

Man I love The Act Man. He genuinely wants the best for the video game industry - Baldurs Gate 3 represents a forgotten renaissance period of gaming. Lost in time, when developers were out-building one another creating masterpieces.

[@albogypsy2842]

The Act Monkey is a pathetic shill & bandwagoner.

[@chrys_stone8716]

Bg2 and kotor right? Idk if they were out around the same time 😅

[@MrMattyG]

@@chrys_stone8716 Knights of the Old Republic is easily in my Top 5 all time favourites. Completed it six times over the last two decades. I feel old 😮‍💨

[@Djay-tz3in]

It’s overrated and boring. I will give credit where credit is due the developers obviously care about the players and are passionate about the game. They are also dominating every other studio.

[@SL4PSH0CK]

BG3 being a crpg while considered being an immersive sim.

[@sojinnn]

I love how Larian handled side quests. Compared to something like Dragon Age Inquisition, which had too many fetch quests/ collectable completion quests that were boring and repetitive and ultimately didn't matter in the long run.

[@SmogginMog]

did you play the whole beginning part? I forget what the area is called - but it's stuffed full of almost "test content" they should've cut, like collection quests

[@kiaweetan500]

Which collection quests? I don't recall a single collection quest in all of act 1, and unless you count the head of an enemy, not in the entire game.

[@sojinnn]

@@kiaweetan500 referring to dragon age inquisition

[@kiaweetan500]

@@sojinnn I replied to the wrong person, I meant to reply to @SmogginMog.

[@ahobimo732]

The fact that industry hacks are actually angry because BG3 is "too good" is kind of amazing. I can't think of higher praise for Larian studios.

[@Mortablunt]

They REEEEEEE'd ultra hardcore a while ago when Elden Ring came out. Bucket of crabs.

[@3Rayfire]

@@MortabluntUh-Huh CRABS!

[@Tomb-G19]

Act 1 is a 10/10, Act 2 is mid at best. Act 3 starts to feel unfinished & you get ME3 flashbacks. It's easily a game 6/10

[@bearbiter9051]

I especially love the fact that AAA studios try playing down Larian's success by saying that Larian had time, inspiration, and great funding. As if AAAs didn't have the same resources 🤣 MAYBE EVEN MORE

[@chkcnchncy]

​@@Tomb-G19classic Larian Studios, they're adding something now with the epilogue

[@mesner5x]

"Baldur's Gate 3 could set unrealistic expectations for gamers" Most AAA game devs: "Wha...you...you mean the they're going to expect...a good game?!!" Our expectations didn't change. AAA studios just lowered the bar so much that the devil can't even limbo dance under it.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

Yeah, it's not like we already have seen massive success of content-filled RPGs before, like Mass Effect and Witcher. This is a completely alien idea to developers, that good RPGs with tons of content could make money. Nobody knew, until Baldur's Gate 3, apparently!

[@budaroddy]

People nowadays are used to sht soo much that they think Cyberpunk with the latest patch its a good game... A Fcking Good game

[@Jeymez]

the problem is, we ain't the one's there trying to cater to. half these companies today have gone woke because of feminist politics.

[@ParaFox404]

what does that have to do with literally anything

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

@@Jeymez You realize that the topic here is that Baldur's Gate 3 is amazingly good? A game that is famously VERY leftist? And your argument is that the other games are bad because they're... also leftist?... Seriously dude, this argument makes no sense. I get that you guys want to connect literally everything to the culture war, but this is just silly.

[@benjamincamping8134]

In a music composition class. The instructor would give the students an entire orchestra to compose a piece. Once completed and performed, the instructor gradually took away instruments from the piece until only a piano was left and they had to figure out how to make the piece they had composed translate without a full orchestra. The result was that the students by and large improved their pieces because what was being taught by the instructor was that limitations breed creativity.

[@Bull3tRAINGAMIN9]

Usually never a fan of RPG games and if I’m being honest, the turn based combat made me think I would hate the game for sure. I can say with 100% certainty that I was beyond wrong. Bought it just days ago and it already stole my soul. Larian needs so much praise for the care they put into this.

[@symo8810]

I just bought it 3 days ago and I’ve never been a fan of turn based games but damn I can’t stop playing it

[@SuryaGupta-te7fq]

you still enjoying it? I make sure to read negative reviews on steam no matter how hyped a game is, and they're all saying Act 3 is a buggy mess with no ending

[@Jimothyjohns]

Yeah, same for me. I thought it would suck, but when I got it on sale, I could barely put it down.

[@scpWyatt]

The fact that Larian released such a polished, in-depth and complete game really isn’t fair for everyone else who’re just trying to slide by on the bare minimum effort. Did they not think how this would make everyone else look when they released such a game?! Now Gamers(™) will expect too much from poor indie companies like Blizzard-Activision and Ubisoft!!

[@jag764]

They didn't tho, I wish people would actually finish the game before they talked about it... Act 3 is unfinished and a buggy nightmare, it was even worse in terms of bugs and performance than Cyberpunk 2077 was for me. The ending is awful and felt like it was rushed together because they moved the release date it just feels incomplete. And they also advertised content as early as 2 months ago that isn't in the game like the Upper City, you literally never go to the Upper City and they advertised it as fully playable and talked about how amazing it was going to be and it's not in the game at all. There's a ton of other problems too like the progression just stagnating completely in act 3, you can basically gear out in act 1 and never find any real improvements and the game has severe issues with difficulty spiking from being laughably too easy to suddenly difficult. It feels like it wasn't play-tested at all... The game is NOT polished, act 1 is polished, act 2 is sorta polished but very on rails compared to 1 and doesn't have nearly the same level of freedom. And act 3 is just Cyberpunk 2077 levels of broken. Edit: People have datamined it too, there's A LOT of cut content because they rushed the game out before Starfield. There's bosses with coordinates set for the Upper City and dialogue that was meant to play there that was just cut, and a lot of the companions have no content in act 3 probably because it was meant for the Upper city and their storylines for act 3 was cut since that entire section was cut from the game...

[@yeetman1344]

ye kinda i mean act 3 has some issues and I think they cut the upper city but this is extremely polished for a CRPG

[@chrisg1556]

BG3 was also in early access for like 3 years. People were paying to basically be testers and it helped fund development. Any game thats been in early access for multiple years should be polished. Is BG3 very good? Yes, it absolutely is. But it also had the benefit of multiple years of early access. When it was initially released in early access it was mediocre. I think IGN even reviewed it years ago and gave it a mediocre score.

[@spankmeflanders1466]

@@yeetman1344 they indeed cut the upper city* this much is clear from the dialogue and also the artwork book included in the deluxe edition edit: they also cut a bunch of content according to a datamine of the game. the version of the game is also not yet 1.0 - its still an alpha build from the looks 4.1.1.something

[@bloodyidit4506]

It's not fair to the people who are literally cheating finance and laundering money cause it makes their baseline money laundering industry look bad. :'(

[@miserablepileofsecrets]

Its crazy shocking how a great game removing money pumping mechanics is "a bad choice" by today's gaming.

[@TheUlquiorraCifer]

Only according to greedy CEO's and shills.

[@qlcrane8019]

I don't get why this game gets a pass on many things others get shit on. This game has many bugs, performance issues, acts 3 and 2 are unfinished, many of the characters are unfinished and don't have stories or working triggers for their stories, many of the choices/paths don't really exist because the game shoehorns you into certain path etc. There are many things wrong but I guess everyone only made it to act 1 and never past it to see the glaring lack of polish

[@sathere4786]

​@@qlcrane8019atleast it's better than begging for money just to get a better experience

[@curie1420]

​@@qlcrane8019elden ring also had performance issues on release, its just the fact that they dont beg for money that makes them good games

[@qlcrane8019]

@@curie1420 Elden Ring was like 40% finished game with the quality that the early game showed and eveyrthing after Liurnia was quite bad and empty not even mentioning the repeated bosses and dungeons. It seems wrong that these games get the same scores as something like God of War that is polished 20 times better than these games

[@user-tf3ye5fe4w]

8:02 imagine a world where every studio made games like that, for example a cod with no micro transactions with everything players love + more things we didn't even know we wanted

[@Yrusama]

I made the same point about BG3 building on D:OS1 and 2. Sooooo much of the core framework was already built and proven successful. Larian was already an award winning studio from its previous games, and they've had a very clear love for BioWare's games like Dragon Age. Licensing the Baldur's Gate IP ensured they would give this game their all.

[@tripplebarrelfinn4380]

Nobody expects other studios to make another BG3. What gamers want is that the studios put in the same amount of love in the game and respect their coustumers.

[@ponyponyponypony1408]

Nobody should want them too either. That piece of trash doesn't respect customers, it insults them. Fans of this piece of trash have terrible taste.

[@Teorah]

You are clearly asking for too much

[@lightninggaming016]

Lmao and devs think we asking for a lot when we just want a complete game like bg3

[@TheDealer1228]

Ding, ding, ding. People are just sick of broken launches, live services, micro transactions, and battle passes. Most of the buzz around this game is rooted in the fact that all that bs is absent here.

[@accidentalmadness1708]

“Fuck you now by my skins”

[@Jm-ki4su]

Baldur's Gate is a prime example of gaming done right, as Blizzard continues to shit the bed

[@VAFranky]

Blizzards needs to be allowed to die. The whales propping up it's rotting carcass and pretending it's still alive are just sad. They can't let this game go that they stupidily spent thousands of dollars on. They cannot bring themselves to realize they wasted all that time and all that money on something that turned into a sad joke.

[@supersuede91]

I am a call of duty player mostly but I bought baldurs gate 3 because of the amazing reviews and I have 40-50 hours in the game so far now I never played a RPG before but I'm having a lot of fun

[@e3vL1]

Sony and Nintendo first party been doing it for years for their AAA titles

[@vhalrougelarfouxe]

​@@supersuede91great for you dude. I do hope that this experience make you try to play other RPG.

[@chrisg1556]

BG3 was in early access for like 3 years. If people are paying to basically be testers for you for multiple years then the product should be good. When BG3 first launched in early access it wasn't very good. Personally, I dont want all the AAA devs charging for early access only to get the full game multiple years later. It worked for BG3 and Hades but its not something I want for all games.

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

Watching the Durge just punt a squirrel into a tree was such an experience, the exact same reaction you had during my first time playing Durge

[@crooked9210]

I can't stop playing this game. It's just so good. I haven't gotten lost in a game like this in years. And I bought this game on a whim, I hate rpgs.

[@playathesaints9599]

You bought it on a whim?

[@crooked9210]

@@playathesaints9599 yes. I don't like this style of game at all and know nothing about dnd. Just said "this looks kinda neat" and now it's one of my favorite games

[@jamescook4881]

I've always loved RPG's personally but was never really into top down style. However this game has become my favorite of all time.

[@KhreamedKhorne]

You don't hate RPGs, you just hate crappy RPGs

[@crooked9210]

@@KhreamedKhorne I've played the ones everyone raves about and still didn't care for them. There's just something about bg3

[@shesh2265]

The writing for the cats (when you cast speak with animals) is better than the writing for most RPGs.

[@highdefinition450]

my first attempt at playing i was a druid and literally forgot i could speak to animals lmao

[@azmosam4572]

And yet the romance dialogue and interactions with other companions in general is horrific. Almost as if no one on the writers team has ever been in a straight male relationship.

[@spacedaniel492]

@@azmosam4572 yeah this is true, its so painful sometimes I honestly wish I could just turn romance off tbh. Save me the awkward rejections sprinkled across the whole campaign.

[@Mortablunt]

@@azmosam4572 I laughed unreasonably hard at this. No I haven't played it.

[@zarroth]

@@spacedaniel492 that filler needs to be removed from games in general where women arent' the target audience. I'm sure the 3 or 4% of the total player base for games like these will feel slighted, but for the health of the genre, it needs to be done. It's awful in every single game that includes it.

[@clint4951]

How dare Larian fall back to a traditional sales model of balancing earning potential with high quality, producing and selling a product that meets every expectation to a level where every dime feels well spent, and being rewarded by a loyal and happy fanbase who rewards them back with accolades and massive profits. How DARE Larian.

[@darkomenz794]

It's absolutely disgusting that they marketed this game for fans and met all expectations, how dare they not give us freedom of choice to throw more money and micro-transactions at them it's just completely unforgivable. I will personally be buying every single game they release because they wouldn't let me throw my money away for all those glorious cosmetics that do absolutely jack shit and just have lots of sparkles..... DAMN YOU LARIAN!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@klaus6027]

I mean, who dares wins, innit?

[@munduschungus]

What an absolutely scummy tactic. How disgusting of them. HOW DARE LARIAN.

[@quiett6191]

I saw a comment where someone said that this isn't anything new, this was what used to be normal. The fact that scummy business practices and subpar work got soo prevalent that it became the "new" normal says something about how far the gaming industry has fallen.

[@subsume7904]

I'm literally screaming and crying, how dare they

[@maloydonedidit2903]

I was absolutely shocked that BG3 is getting such amazing reviews and being played as much as it is. As a ttrpg fan BG and NWN will always hold a place in my heart because i could relate to them just a bit more, but seeing the love BG3 is getting is awesome and so happy that DND is being shown more love.

[@wheelchazeal8089]

Honestly same. I knew I would play this game into the dirt but I was not anticipated the avalanche of love. It’s so great to see because Larian absolutely deserves this.

[@JayCross454]

What's crazy to me is that AAA is SUPPOSED to be the best of the best. Highest in quality, immersion, gameplay, storytelling, you name it. How have we dumbed it down so much as to now create a AAAA branding that devs and companies don't want to adhere to?

[@mal2ksc]

Nah, let's just stop with all the A's and just make an S rating already.

[@iseafools1559]

In 2003 you entered a store to find video games. In 2023 you enter a video game to find stores. Ive watched some of your videos recently, and man your takes on games and the gaming industry in general are excellent. You have more than earned my sub.

[@TheDoomSlayerButPettingaCat]

Who the hell gets into a videogame to find a shitty microtransaction store

[@Liondanceforme]

W comment

[@servantofthemosthigh2525]

​@@TheDoomSlayerButPettingaCatmillions of people

[@maxbants7737]

Underrated comment. Poetic.

[@skye_music]

I will fix it for you a little. In 2003 you entered a store to find video games. In 2023 you enter a video game afraid to find stores.

[@Cardinalsqr]

BG3 is so good that it has sold over 8 times Larian’s expectations for the game, and has been probably the most landmark game in ages, it deserves every ounce of success that it gets and more honestly

[@deceiver444]

I honestly haven't seen such a massive wave of enthusiasm since the glorious days of Fallout 1-2 and Baldur's Gate 1-2. (Yup I'm that old)

[@jaggarenglish]

Idk about in ages, we just got elden ring

[@timberm4n379]

The game has to get GOTY Its impossible not getting it

[@marekbabik2791]

@@deceiver444 what about the witcher 3 ? the last truly great RPG ... at this scale ... from the studio which wasnt as popular to that point ...

[@bigzachful]

@@marekbabik2791 Again to educate all y’all that don’t have the common sense to see this. That’s not a rpg. You don’t make choices, decisions, and changes in the Witcher like you do in Baldurs gate 3. Not even close. And the combat is shallow. You can’t do half of what you can as in Baldurs gate 3. The Witcher is a good ass story. I loved it when I played and sung it’s praises. But it’s an action story game. And it’s not good at action either. The just turned the book into a story.

[@Jack-kb5nb]

People acting like the Divinity games weren’t Demi-god tier and BG3 came out of absolutely no where.

[@TheDestroyer702]

If I was an artist that did the minimal work and another artist comes along and does a better job than I do, I wouldn't tell people they shouldn't expect better work because I'm incompetent. They're going to leave my services

[@SoldierSpiderx]

The joy this game has brought is literally what was felt in the early 2000's when games were still scratching the surface of 'whats possible' not 'whats profitable' and also have to add, Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of when passionate, hard-working video game developers are in charge of their projects instead of less passionate but money-hungry businessmen.

[@winnieid2727]

There is a reason why I play indie games more and more nowadays..

[@fancytoxicsoda]

For the love of the game not for the love of money.

[@SoldierSpiderx]

@@winnieid2727 fact they didn't rush the game out and the best part when there was a problem they told us and let us know and the best part of this game that there no microtransactions and loot boxes to and I remember a dev from one of those companies like EA and other companies said Gamer should have microtransactions and loot boxes cause it made the game fun and that dev got alot backlash

[@paulw5039]

His point about microtransactions changing the very structure of games, from the ground up, is a good one. For a long time one of the main arguments the defenders of loot boxes, microtransactions, etc have used is "it's OK if it's just cosmetics". But it really isn't just about the costumes or the skins they're selling, it's about restructuring the core gameplay to manipulate people into buying the costumes or skins.

[@homeblue7667]

Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of when passionate, hard-working video game developers are in charge of their projects instead of less passionate but money-hungry businessmen. Let me correct it for you: Baldur's Gate 3 is an example of when passionate, hard-working, *pervert minded* video game developers are in charge of their projects instead of less passionate but money-hungry businessmen.

[@tyrannicswinen117]

Larian reintroduced the standard of gaming that was constant in the 2000’s, hopefully this a domino effect to make game studios realise this how games are meant to

[@zzBaBzz]

Their games are always annoying bugfests, which they never end up fixing. Even oens that ruin yuor entire play because choices you made matter fuck all in the end because the bug makes you "uncomplete" shit you actually did do. And let's not talk about the actual gameplay bugs...

[@tomorbataar5922]

Lets not romanticize older periods of gaming, plenty of trash even from big devs came and went then too. Difference was none of the games back then were predatory stores and addictive gambling services with a paint of gaming on them.

[@asdfbeau]

this really needs to get brought up more- *this isn't a revolutionary new game* This is an RPG from the 00s with better cutscenes/better visuals It's pathetic that it's been this long since we've had games give us choices that mirror what we're thinking. We used to feel the exact same way about TES/Arena, before Bethesda started making Ubisoft games, for example

[@mattandrews2594]

It won't, because game studios don't decide what games they get to make. Publishers and shareholders do, and they will pick a $666m+ earning Diablo 4 over a lower earning Balder's Gate 3 every time. If you want to break the cycle, you need to stop players buying games like Diablo 4 in the first place.

[@michielvandersijs6257]

@@asdfbeau Bullshit. Isometric RPG's have become a pretty rare genre, but the ones that are still made are all up there in quality with BG3. Furthermore, and this is the part everyone who argues that BG3 should be the new standard, conveniently misses that Larian is a privately owned studio where the CEO is also the majority share holder. He can do what he wants, its literally his studio. EA, Activision, Microsoft, Ubisoft, they are all publicly owned companies. The CEO's don't have free reign, they have to answer to their shareholders. And while its great that Larian can pursue their directors creative vision and have success, the downside is that as soon as that creative vision isn't as successful for whatever reason, the studio is immediately in financial trouble. In the case of Ubisoft or Activision if this happens the CEO might get booted out and the company has to close a studio but it will survive just fine.

[@kevinczaractual]

The beautiful part of this will be that other companies are already facing the fact that we not only love undermining this nickle and dime nonsense, but there will always be a best seller that shows we're not only on to them, but willing to back up quality with our money. Deep and immersive play? Great VO and sound? Insanely accommodating optimization to make it accessible even to folks with sub-optimal rigs (especially with the economy the way it is)? Good product can win, and it's been a long timing coming for a game (and it's success) to champion the point.

[@UltimateLoaf]

Larian still releases huge patches that fix bugs, optimize the game further and add new dialogue and things to do.

[@mal2ksc]

It doesn't require the greatest gaming hardware because dropped frames and lag don't kill you. If it stutters, that's just ugly. It's still playable. It's kind of an inherent benefit of using a turn-based system. Of course, the drawback is that you're forced to use a turn-based system which is fine for this game but wouldn't work for a lot of others.

[@holokid]

I think what the these video game designers are truely saying is that they do have the time into making a game like baldurs gate 3. They are on tight deadlines because the company likes their quick buck and they are pressurized to develop it quickly. I have 400 hours into BG3 now and i continue to find things that ive missed and they continue to release expanded storylines that i didnt even know i wanted. Example just yesterday they released more storyline to minthara and now im gonna go and run through the game to get that experience again. Each playthough that i do i realized ive missed out on something. I think that these Designers really need to sit down and refocus why they got into the video industry and what they want to put out. Put more pressure on the developers and their studios on focusing on a game and hearing the designers out for what is truely missing in a game. BG3 was in beta for approxamitly 3 years. They used that time and knowledge to make sure their wasn't major glitches or bugs discovered what the community wanted and heard them out. Most games now Beta only lasts possibly a weekend. Alot of the developers now need to sit down and recommit that passion that designers have and give them time to craft what they want without a insane deadline. Their is plenty of games that come out now that i think is a really cool game and want to purchase Redfall being one of them but the game release comes out and when released it turns into hot garbage. Pre purchasing is a thing of the past for me now because of it cause garbage has become the industry standard. I really hope that BG3 becomes the Final Fantasy of this era.

[@aarontyeryar8108]

Larian didn’t spend millions on marketing. They instead put their game on early access & let people fund the development, test the game, comment on fixes, & spread the word about how good it is.

[@joaocatarino3589]

Exactly THAT

[@mykr0324]

Oh they were confident because they knew they weren't making a pile of shit you say? How very novel in today's modern videogame industry

[@Hadeto_AngelRust]

how dare a studio be confident in what they do and have a product to show for it amirite?@@mykr0324

[@cuppatea7073]

the key difference being this early access was actually used to improve the game to elevate the entire experience to unprecedented goodness. unlike most other "early access" or "open beta" trite out there

[@mykr0324]

@@cuppatea7073 they took a bit of time with their craft. They also had some really good, concise and clear ideas about what they wanted their game to be and what they wanted the people playing it to feel. I absolutely love that. I think alot of what you want the end user to feel is lost now. It feels like none talks about it on these teams.

[@coolen]

When I realized, after 40 hours playtime, that the end of act 1 wasn't the end of the game I felt my brain expand and pop like a balloon. The amount of stuff in BG3 is terrifying

[@dannyblack721]

ive played through most of act 1 with 3 different characters, with 3 totally different unique experiences that get better with each play through. so much brain balloons.

[@spaniard35]

I love that if you do every little thing you can find in Act 1, you have played at least 40 hours. I just got to Act 3 and currently at 85 hours. Also small spoiler, there is a boss depending on your choices that literally has his own Disney villain song. Also Speak with Animals is definitely something everyone should have as potion or spell. Animals are just so awesome and how some VC make these things so fun to hear.

[@termintot4645]

@@spaniard35 Ohh man I was trying to not finish the fight just because of the song, was soo good. I kept healing until run out of spell slots :D

[@spaniard35]

You know that shit is good when villain is just singing about them killing you.@@termintot4645

[@ishitrealbad3039]

don't be, act 1 is the largest act. act 2 is hella short and act 3 isn't that big either.

[@skykn1ght78]

If it scares developers, that's a damn good thing! There's been way too much mediocrity (and that's being generous) for years and BG3 has been a serious breath of fresh air! It should be a new standard. Micro transactions are the worst! Spot on video man! Thank you! I'm an old school gamer, (47 yrs old, my first games I played were on the Atari 2600), and BG3 is right at the top of the best games I've ever played and I gotta give serious respect to Larian for what they did here.

[@nathanielsoucie-porter936]

I absolutely cannot wait for your full review of the game. I've almost hit the 100 hour mark and outside of a couple of minor bugs that were fixed with a simple restart or loading the last save, I dont have anything majorly negative to say. And when I say I can't wait I mean I absolutely can because all of your videos are incredibly well thought-out and just all around good content. Looking forward to it!

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

My only other issue with Bg3 other then that is preformance cuz it does lag sometimes, espically in act 3, but they're activitly working on fixing it.

[@rylandolf7605]

It is so fucking awesome that Larian risked bankrupcy for quality. My respect for them as a studio has went up tremendously. Its just so fucking cool they deserve every bit of success

[@leonardceres9061]

yeah, totally I wish more companies had the balls to do. What’s right not what is lucrative. Listening to some of these negative comments, it almost sounds like the same kind of stuff people said when the US started shipping its work out to foreign countries and then those foreign countries like Japan were able to produce some of the best cars and American manufacturers were saying how those results were not possible here .

[@Swaahqo]

Initially I had no interest in BG3 but I bought the game anyways because a good gaming studio like that deserves support. Now I’m 50 hours in hooked on the game, lol.

[@azuraquinlilax1245]

⁠@@SwaahqoI was going to get it before I heard about all this. But now..I am definitely getting it. HAIL QUALITY GAMING STUDOS

[@CrniWuk]

@@eqwalle4884 Oblivion was shit, particularly when compared to Morrowind. It also gave us "Horse Armor" as purchase which started this whole DLC nonsense.

[@CrniWuk]

@@eqwalle4884I don't care about what rating it has or how many meaningles game of the year awards it won. The game was poorly optimised, in typical Bethesda fashion, had a ton of bugs, was bland and boring, most quests haven't been that well written and there was barely if any roleplaying and the whole combat system was a dumbing down of Morrowind.

[@heinrichkreuser2659]

Can't believe we've gone from publishers praising top releases like these and striving to be as good as them to "adjusting expectations"

[@NineBreakerUIXB]

Translated 'lower your standards to meet how far down ours have become'

[@I-hear-voices]

Speaking of expectations...when modern AAA publisher know they are hiring explicitly for diversity without a care about meritocracy, they must squeeze in every bit of monetization possible because they don't *expect* to make a good return. They don't expect diversity to create good products because of historical record. Every now and then a studio comes along that put meritocracy first and like the Act Man said, a quality product will sell.

[@sightseek3r]

Yet Larian themselves are among those saying we shouldn't hold companies to these standards.

[@ericwolf9664]

​@@sightseek3rLarian has said that in the most left handed way possible though. Largely by putting a heavy emphasis on how this studio has been building the culture, knowledge, continuity, and resources for over 2 decades. Something most "AAA" studios have largely lost, sabotaged, or utterly failed to even to make.

[@oantran8060]

ok

[@JustNoko]

You know the game is good when you are depressed after finishing it, and just don't want to close it. Also don't feel like doing a second playthrough because the way the first one went was so on point with my choices and my actual perception of the plot, it feels like if I WAS inside the game, that's the path I would have choose 100%. I could relate to everything. And because there are so many branchs and opportunities, everyone can find a way to make the game super relatable and reflect their own personnalities. Or do the complete opposite for the lolz. It's like finishing a fucking good book, or a fucking good serie. You feel complete, and also sad that it is done. That's what makes something a masterpiece, that little feeling you don't have when finishing other stuff.

[@night6724]

BG3 ending sucked balls. But jesus man get over yourself the game isn’t the resurrection of buddha

[@thetriborg9588]

@@night6724fr why is everyone sucking its balls

[@dumlord1581]

The problem isn't that the game is "too good" or that we want or need microtransactions. It's that BG3 should not be viewed as "Okay, this needs to be the bare minimum for a game. There need to be possibilities for everything and a world that will take several hundred hours to explore the first 50% and yadda yadda yadda" cuz not every single company can afford to do that. The OP was talking about this specific idea. No one is advocating for worse games, and the original poster could have been a bit clearer on that, just that we keep our expectations reasonable while still wanting and striving for good games. (TL: DR Not every game needs to be as big as BG3 to be good, but they must maintain a quality standard. That is the point being made.)

[@pihlajafox]

Someone is also watching Noodle huh?

[@ineverunderstoodmaths1779]

@@pihlajafox but thats good, people refuting misinformation

[@pihlajafox]

@@ineverunderstoodmaths1779 didn't say it wasn't

[@drygordspellweaver8761]

No. Reread the tweets. They are talking about the STANDARD being raised, which absolutely should happen. Especially for AAA studios that have way more budget. No excuses anymore.

[@thewoofalo631]

Your right, but the misunderstanding makes sense. On paper the raising of quality is a really good thing, but we shouldn’t expect every game to be that size. A example of mine is after breath of the wild released, they made a links awakening remake, which is much lower quality, but it helped the Zelda team have a more relaxing work environment while still making money, as that game was much smaller in scope, before they then made totk. Even that isn’t sustainable for most devs, but Zelda team is big and Nintendo supports their devs very well all things considered, but having bigger studio have breaks by lowering standereds every once and a while is needed, humans are very selfish

[@Danovio]

its not raised standards, its old school standards, larian just did what the game developers did 20+ years ago, they put their soul and hard work to make the best games they could FOR US.

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

ID Software set the industry standards for FPS Genre when they first created Wolfenstein, then Doom, then didn't Valve do the same when they created HL1 & HL2? No one back then was moaning about how unfair it was - even when the competitors were scrapping their games mid- development after seeing what ID and Valve achieved. BG3 has highlighted some of the Ferengi's we have working in the gaming industry - who are happy to cover for their greedy Overlords.

[@Danovio]

@@gladiatorscoops4907 Nope, no one complained about fairness, ID were like a bunch of friends who were creating the game with the budget of a hamsandwich and as you said, set the standard for FPS. Created two of the most iconic games in gameing history.

[@masterofbloopers]

You know what Larian's _big_ secret is (besides having a CEO that's a gamer who actually likes and understands video games)? They're a privately owned company. They don't have to answer to any shareholders or investors who keep demanding more and more revenue regardless of how damaging it'll be to the end product. Valve is also privately owned, and aside from their reluctance to release new games or support their old ones, almost every game they've made has been phenomenal, to put it lightly.

[@tylerkrutz6884]

the CEO of value is a absolute G. I got VAC banned for buying a stolen skin in CS:GO and messaged him on Redit and explained the situation and he unbanned my account. Love that man.

[@walalon8719]

When in this case they don't have to hear stupid investors, they can do whatever they want. Maybe the best example no a days its Blizzard, when they started they created gems for the times because they were gamers for gamers... And now they are just a pile of bones that create crap and every week they made more problems than solutions. I'm glad Larian it's receiving all this praise 🎉

[@herpiegerbstick6808]

What you mean someone that plays video is good at making them? That's crazy I was under the impression finbro's and sales execs made the best video games

[@Earthslastlegend]

​@@herpiegerbstick6808😂😂😂

[@rittum7441]

So here's what I got from your comment Private and understanding=good Shareholders and greed=bad Sounds accurate lol

[@timurdos]

this also applies to Owlcat studio with their Pathfinder games. Those are _amazing_ tabletop to PC conversions. Both games are amazing and they are HUGE. the 1st game has 6 tomes of pathfinder in it, it takes about 200 hours if you explore everything. the 2nd one elevates with Mythic paths for level ups and is even bigger. If you miss the times of Vampire The Masquarade Bloodlines, Arcanum, Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate 1/2 you should play those.

[@happyjam92]

Note to developers: people will gladly pay full price for top quality games such as this. I personally hate microtransactions and refuse to play games with them. After all the positive feedback and knowing there wasn't predatory monetization in this game, i bought it at full price to play it a week before it launched.

[@marigi-]

The standard set is more cultural rather than technical. Larian is owned by a person who primarily views gaming as a source of joy whereas most studios are owned by companies that primarily view gaming as a source of revenue. There is enough talent and resources at EA, Blizzard, Activision, etc., to produce a game at the calibre of BG3. However, their focus is entirely directed at making products designed to reap money off of "consumers". I've seen talks made by business executives trying to break down what "fun" is in a video game and putting it in an economic & psychological context so that a formula can be produced to gauge the risk and reward of a game development project. With that sort of mindset, the standard I expect in video games is the one set by Diablo 4 rather than Baldur's Gate 3.

[@cuevee8260]

well said

[@mkm7251]

That definition of “fun” sounds like the most un-fun thing in the world.😂

[@tarron3237]

Great comment. Absolutely spot-on

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

This comment brilliantly articulates exactly the point I was trying to make with my comment. Thank you.

[@RealKeetz]

Well, those kind of companies won't get my money. 😎

[@cephaleaorion4888]

can we just think about how fucking happy the larion developers are rn, like imagine putting your heart and soul into a game and it fucking EXPLODES everyone loves it

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Now imagine putting all your heart and soul into a game... and it FLOPPED, hopefully break-even, to eventually fell into obscurity. Now imagine that this is the majority.

[@Mr_sigmaballs]

​@@ultimaxkom8728Ah yes ea has so much soul in their games

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@Mr_sigmaballs Who said or implied anything about EA? Do you perhaps have schizophrenia?

[@theRobson0908]

​@@Mr_sigmaballsyikes he implicated heart and dedication for a game not greed and misery for its intellectual property so ea falls way out of the description but it isn't that fair to blame it on the people who develop games as mostly the people who order the burger decides whats on top of it and its the publishers pushing studios to develop the 20th entry in a series instead of producing a game they wanna make they have to be sure they make a game that makes enough profit to sustain the studio while big daddy ea takes the biggest slice.

[@SoulDevoured]

​@@theRobson0908I think the point is that games aren't made by a single person and I'm sure there have been hundreds of developers and artists who worked on EA games that were crushed when they saw the final product. It's exactly why so many of them leave.

[@mrchiefbs]

These are the same kids that say capitalism breeds innovation. Imagine doubling down and looking like an idiot instead of taking the L and learning something.

[@zero2099100]

SO happy for Larian Studios. I never thought we'd see a BG3. Not after Black Isle and Bioware closed or were bought out. I say this as a hardcore BG/BG2/IWD Fanatic.

[@asherthemad300]

BG3 making Heartless AAA studios shit their pants is one of the best things to recently happen ever BG3 is definitely a Landmark game

[@nickniehaus1763]

Watershed moment

[@jagerhunter7717]

Couldn't be happier for Larian. It's rare that I can feel like a kid on Christmas playing a game but they did it!!

[@SpadeApeiron]

I've never played a Narrative story driven game with such good voice acting roleplaying and side quest which blurs the line between side & main quest .. after Witcher 3 & i wanted ANY GAME to beat Witcher 3 in my head.. coz it was too good of video game esp after Blood & wine DLC even now its only standard fr me that i never found any game better than it & BG3 became the one ~ its funny coz Witcher 3 > Witcher 2. BG 3> BG2 meanwhile ~ D2 > D4 lol

[@jagerhunter7717]

@@SpadeApeiron Witcher 3 was the last game where I had this similar feeling

[@eliravioli8233]

​@@SpadeApeirontry divinity sin 2 its made by them as well its really good I love that game to

[@SpadeApeiron]

I actually did hence the love for bg3 is even more ~ I just couldn't finish Div 2 b'cause of graduation.. I remember arriving at ARX & still i had so many Companion quest to finish. There are many easter eggs of that game in BG3. @@jagerhunter7717

[@SpadeApeiron]

@@jagerhunter7717 Yea every different ending altogether new cutscene. me & my frnds were discussing about tht and none of us had similar endings.. one guy failed to save Ciri and hated the game XD. meanwhile i got jailed in blood & wine ending while others came to bittersweet ending. Here i'm again discussing about.. "How did deal with that quest, what happens if you choose to kill Isodel? being Dark urge. Ohhhhh I missed the SLAYER FORM" fkkk. ^ ^ I think its the same with Elden ring as well.

[@michaellinn5463]

"If Starfield turns out to be a glitchy, bug-ridden disaster..." You should start posting lottery numbers dude.

[@michaelflanagan6556]

I have 40+ hours in starfield and experienced no bugs or glitches.

[@Sniped137]

​@@michaelflanagan6556You must of been playing with a blindfold on

[@michaelflanagan6556]

@@Sniped137 same With cyberpunk as well. Zero issues. People just play with shitty equipment. Sorry

[@Sniped137]

@@michaelflanagan6556 I don't think you understand what a bug is. A game being buggy isn't because of a consumers hardware, it's because of a shitty outdated engine, or not enough time spent in QA (like with starfield). I encountered more bugs in this dumpster fire than I did in the first 5 hours of star citizen (wish I was joking). No need to lie in the comments to meat ride bethesda

[@michaelflanagan6556]

so if its not hardware but the engine and i didnt get any then its the engine... got it lmao@@Sniped137

[@mafiousbj]

Baldur´s Gate 3 in a lot of ways is similar to the impact Witcher 3 had when it broke into the mainstream. Many gamers had heard whispers about Witcher 2 or Divinity Original Sin I and II but few outside the niche of RPGs had played them. Then they release this game that seems to come out of nowhere and the studio is immediately praised to the heavens by both players and critics alike. Just hope Larian doesn´t fall in the same hubris trap CDProjeckt Red did, although they seem to have a more extensive CV of being player friendly, and staying today in the current gaming environment is not only admirable but setting a huge example for others.

[@mal2ksc]

CDPR deserves to be cut a bit of slack though, as they've done a lot more to fix Cyberpunk 2077 than most critics thought they would, and they brought us GOG. They screwed up but they've also kinda owned it.

[@mafiousbj]

@@mal2ksc yeah but it's the same logic than No Man's Sky. Hyping up and releasing an unfinidhed game. Use the money from the sales to finish it. Receive praise because they "owned up to mistakes" and finished or improved the game and they didn't take the most scummy route possible. I can cut some slack to the guys at Hello Games because it was their first big release but CDPR knew better. There are horror stories regarding quality control and badly paid testers whose comments were ignored anyway. They were smart back with TW3 to not release on the previous console generation (PS3) but they were overcome by greed with Cyberpunk and decided to make PS4/XBox one ports despite the systems being unable to run it. It was pure hubris and scummy practices from the top. The less people like that we have running the gaming industry the better and more complete games we'll get.

[@leonardovelasco5625]

We saw similar reactions to Elden Ring. You're absolutely right. We should be celebrating landmark titles like Baldur's Gate because it improves the industry.

[@deadwalkin12345]

Dude, the english devs were going hard against the Elden Ring devs.. like I still can't believe one went as far to say "the UI is so minimalistic because the Japanese cant handle so much information at once 🤪" Like they were NOT all too subtle with the racism either.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

@@deadwalkin12345 That's extremely laughable, since most of the most difficult games of all time have came out of Japan. Basically nothing the US has made is as hard as games like any given mainline Touhou game. I bounced off of a Touhou fan RPG because it was *way* more complicated than all the Baby's First X games that western devs have been making for nearly 20 years now. If any UI in a western AAA game is complicated it's because the devs just didn't know what they were doing or couldn't afford any extra passes to make it more intuitive or workable.

[@mfallen6894]

@@deadwalkin12345 Yep, the same people that cry about racism everywhere had no problem being racist as hell towards their Japanese superior's at From Soft. The iron-clad law of woke projection: they call everyone else racist because THEY are racists, and they genuinely believe they're the only one's that have read "Rules for Radicals". Everybody knows what they're doing, and they think they're being covert. It's just hilarious to me, lol

[@FakeHeroFang]

​​@@deadwalkin12345 I think I would vomit if Western AAA devs got to make the UI. Elden Ring's map would look like a fucking Ubisoft game before you've even explored an inch of it, and you'd have a shopping list for every sidequest because you CANNOT be allowed to miss anything! God forbid we leave a hint of mystery and a sense of accomplishment in exploration for the player.

[@RealMephres]

​@@deadwalkin12345What's even funnier is that the worst that came from Elden Ring was just wonky performance, that's it. I don't know about anyone here, but I'd prefer to play a feature-complete game with a locked 60fps over a trash game with *even worse* performance and microtransactions lol

[@mars7357]

Main takeaway: support healthy game practices and studios like larian and from software. Don't support companies that promote unhealthy and greedy practices like blizzard or game freak. You have the power to change this industry. Vote with your wallet or reap what you sow

[@rickmortyson4861]

Bro dont mention gamefreak okay? It still hurts

[@conlooka9356]

​@rickmortyson4861 it's a necessary hurt.

[@adamford4167]

And Wow Classic could be so much more, but it’s not. I still play it though. I have problems….I know.

[@CrniWuk]

Yeah ... gamers voting with their wallets :/. Not gona happen.

[@murkadelic422]

​@@Diamondheadifypokemon

[@alfonsovallejo2665]

BG3 was so good, that Larian could literally use the same engine, graphics and mechanics but with new levels/campaigns and I would fucking buy them.

[@SmogginMog]

Majora's Mask did a very very similar thing, and i think it proves that point pretty well

[@blueboi12jj]

Hands down one of the nest games I've ever played, in 20+ years. The game is extremely immersive. Every encounter can go 100% in your favor, completely go ass up or just end up in some wacky scenario leaving you to wonder, wtf did i just do lol. You can literally let innocent people die, like right in front of your face and not off screen like most games do with "choice" and it doesn't have to be within the D-Urge play through. Bro in damn near any interaction there is a literal "attack" option to start a fight midway into the dialogue. There is this part where this NPC women asked about retrieving a Githyanki egg and after seeing Lai-zels pissed off response I selected the option to agree that the women should die for asking a question like that(not expecting to actually fight lol) and ended up immediately entering battle mode. I was like "Wait the game was serious about her needing to die?!". Your options actually stand on something real in this game. She was strong asf but I managed to kill her(she was strong but it was 1v4 lmao) and got some awesome Monk gear. Ugh so rewarding its unreal. Haven't felt this connected to a game since Dragon Age: Origins. Ill easily pay for any DLC in the future if they keep this up.

[@Asperion27]

I think the effort put into BG3 *really* clicked for me when I realized I could damn near lip-read what Gale was saying during a dialogue. Like it wasn't just mouth moving for the sake of moving, but each discrete animation actually matched the motions you would make to form a syllable.

[@toasty7553]

That reminds me of what I've heard about how mouth animations work in Source games. The lips sync up with not just the dialogue but also sync with the language the game is set to.

[@theemperorofmankind7706]

The elden ring effect: A game is release where it is complete, made with love and inhuman dedication with 0 microtransactions. To the point where fans are debading what possible catch there is (There isn't any), and other devs are panicking about it.

[@PuttyGod]

There's so many conflicting emotions - it's sad that we have to feel so impressed when they just make good games the way they used to without fleecing us, but I really admire the dedication to stand out as a high quality, ethical product. Love when they make that money and embarrass/shame all the abusive companies.

[@Clavitz1]

final fantasy XVI is like that too and both fan bases for that and ER are asking for more content to be added. You did something right when your fans wants more content when you havent made/announced any yet. Im sure BG3 will have this as well. make a good game, players will want more of it.

[@qu1253]

I have an anecdote that really made me realize how much the standard has fallen in the games industry. I was playing Elden Ring one day, looking through all the ashes of war I had, and my roommate happened to pass by and said "Did all of that come in a deluxe edition or something?". He was genuinely surprised when I told him all the weapons, armor, and ashes of war I had were in the base game and none of it was tied to DLC or a deluxe edition.

[@cuevee8260]

very yes@@PuttyGod

[@cuevee8260]

well put, "elden ring effect"

[@buzzyb13]

Insinuating that BG3 is no more than a stroke of good luck for the devs is such an immense insult to their talent and work ethic. BG3 is so great because the devs are passionate about the games they make, and even moreso about how their fans receive said games. It is the culmination of hard work, dedication, a willingness to LISTEN to what their fans want and the humility to understand that some things are worth implementing/sacrificing in the name of fan service. Larian is a top tier studio and they deserve that recognition.

[@busfahrerhorst763]

Don't let Revan have pronouns

[@KarazolaX]

My favorite line of dialog in this game was from a goblin child, who said to my tiefling character "I wish MY dad diddled a devil, so I could have horns like yours." Beautiful.

[@CyberLife3]

Noice

[@Wilhelm4131]

It's kinda degenerate

[@spaniard35]

One of them insulted me and I don't know what happen, but somehow he went flying off the cliff. I don't know who did that, that person should be ashamed of themselves. Astarion approves Shadowheart approves Lae'Zel approves

[@zwenkwiel816]

​​@@Wilhelm4131not really, inter racial relationships seem pretty normal and accepted in Faerun...

[@iamdopeasfcuk]

some the best dialogue for me is when you get a goblin to kiss your feet lol. the other gobbos around him have some hilarious lines after reacting to that

[@ryancavanagh7444]

Larian studios deserve every bit of praise they get, and they care for their fans base. I experienced a game breaking bug at the start of the final section, couldn't continue. I raised a bug report, attached my save file to show what was happening, and thought I'd just wait for the upcoming update. To my surprise, I got an email back from Larian a few days later who had fixed my save file and apologised for that bug. I am beyond impressed at the level of customer service and care they show for their players. That should be the norm.

[@kevindelgado1459]

The game is quite buggy but everyone is giving it a pass cause quality appatrntly

[@idkjb777]

​@@kevindelgado1459at least it doesn't have 20+ bugs that can both brick and/or break your computer, in game purchases that cost about as much as the main game, a battle pass, and the game is unfinished the first 5 months of it being released. The worst part is that the game developers don't do these things, it's mostly game publishers and the higher ups at the company.

[@ChrisGrump]

​@@idkjb777it is unfinished. Act 3 is straight up broken.

[@HarvestHollows]

Fans base Plural. They have multiple (apparently)

[@ChrisBabaganoosh]

​@kevindelgado1459 Larian has been transparent about these issues and have released 4 major hotfixes within 2 weeks, which is far more than can be said about a lot of studios.

[@HafaTalo]

Coming from 3000+ hrs in Kenshi, BG3 has become my new meth and reason for waking. Family forsaken, Oaths have been taken, shields have been splintered, a sword day, a red day, ere Eldritch Blast!!

[@SaltNBattery]

No one's talking about Larian selling 96 hours "early access" if you pay $80 for the "deluxe edition" on PS5? That's the type of scummy BS that any other dev would get called out for. In fact, I can't remember a single dirtbag developer charging for 96 hours early access, ever.

[@mal2ksc]

Why is it dirtbag if they offer a product you don't want? Don't buy it. It wasn't aimed at you.

[@sendthemall44]

Larian’s mission statement alone is quite literally the single greatest thing to happen to gaming industry in a long LONG time and that goes for EVERY genre.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

Well no, a statement doesn't mean jack if not backed up by action. Luckily BG3 did.

[@sendthemall44]

@@aguywithalotofopinions412 I can’t remember the last time a company openly denied having micro transactions and just wanted you to buy their game because it’s good. “Games as a service” has created a absolute disaster in the gaming scene. The irony of it all is BG3 just did what companies HAD to do back in the day once a game was out it was done if there was anything seriously wrong you were fucked there was no”buy our game we’ll half ass fix it later but for now here’s a cool new skin 20 bucks please” like where’s our money going? Not back into the fucking game I’ll tell you that.

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

@@sendthemall44 I can. CD Projekt Red. “We leave greed to others” they said, load of bullshit clearly. Hell, it wasn’t even that long ago that EA tried to sell their “is this good for the player?” pitch. Difference is, Larian actually backed it up with action.

[@t_c5266]

Now if only they could axe the shitty turn based combat

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

@@t_c5266 Well it is a D&D videogame at the end of the day

[@theman8931]

A really good view of the whole situation. Every game developed won’t release as good games as Larian, but they should try to release games like Larian did

[@arenkai]

They can't even try because of how financing a game works. Larian is lucky enough to have built their studio from the ground up as a quality focused studio doing niche games for a passionate player base. So when time came for their big breakthrough with BG3, they still kept a high level of financial independence and did things their own way. The reason this game should not be the standard for the AAA industry is because all AAA studios answer to their owners and investors. And those owners and investors don't know what a good game looks liken they just know what a profitable game looks like. So, as a developer, you are left to battle against incompetent excecs that want to push monetisation where it doesn't belong and releasing unfinished games because they need something to round up the financial year. In short: AAA game production structure is rotten to the core and those studios can't strive to do like Larian because they aren't allowed to as long as the people holding the money don't ask them to do it.

[@Li_Tobler]

@@arenkai then we as players should just let these companies rot tbh. I'm so tired of AAAs being such boring passionless regurgitated trash over and over again. If they can't make something as engaging and exciting then they should cease to exist. Too bad never gonna happen tho

[@hatsunemiku1348]

​@@arenkaistop making excuses for them, individuals should most definitely hold triple a's to this standard and if they can't provide more people should refuse to buy their game, CONSUMERS make a game a success or not, so if they want copies sold maybe they should do as baulders 3 did :]

[@animavenatores5324]

@arenkai well thats sound Like a they problem, if they cant figure it then they Will not Have my money, I stoped buying aaa games because now all are the same trash and maybe Im 1 person among the millions of fools Who keep buying mid games but hey at least I save my money

[@Li_Tobler]

@@animavenatores5324 good for you! We collectively can make a change, the problem is that everyone thinks "well I'm just one person, what can I do, it's not gonna help anything...", and that's what's stopping us a lot of the time. Gilette sales plummeted after the infamous commercial and even such a megacorp was scared of that and didn't repeat that stunt again afaik

[@midniteee]

Regardless of what any publisher has to say - BG3 HAS raised the bar and whether they choose to up their standard or not is up to them but their sales will suffer.

[@shrexba]

after playing baldurs gate 3, ive found it tedious and unfun to play other games that use battlepasses, microtransactions, or just seem incomplete... bg3 is quite literally a breath of fresh air and I don't want to go back to what the games were like before

[@hwstar9416]

@@deadleaves2493 no its not.

[@corsim5997]

Baldur's Gate 3 kind of used the Deep Rock Galactic strategy of focusing on fun factor and did so great. I hope this becomes the standart again.

[@pcalix17]

Almost as if that's the entire point of video games and why people buy them, yes?

[@firesnake5686]

Rock and stone brother! ⛏️

[@jahrusalem3658]

@@firesnake5686 DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!

[@lordfarquaad4174]

Deep rock is genuinely devoid of content

[@lonniebeezy9181]

OI I SMELL A LEAF LOVER IN HERE

[@jmillz8197]

Dude I remember growing up on actual hard disks. The AAA games were just better. You bought a solid product. I remember first placing Soul Reaver into my PS1 with the music, story, gameplay, unique concepts about vampires and lore, and was hooked on gaming. You really bought the full package. Now? When a game studio actually cares, it's considered too high of a ceiling.

[@jesseritchie9282]

Yes the love of The Legacy of Kain lives on!

[@davidhujik3422]

To kill or not to kill a victim by any other name.

[@dominiquevanwyk518]

Ah Legacy of kain follower, a man of culture 👌

[@hahahafunniness]

The devs retired and were replaced by their whiny kids

[@azpont7275]

Yeah. I have hard copies of most Blizzard games up until Diablo III, but man, they started to fall off hard after Warcarft 3.

[@ravencarino6115]

Ive never played a DND game like BG3 ever. And at first I was really bored, intimidated, and didn't want to continue But when I watched some guides, lore videos, and tips and tricks. I went back into it and got HOOKED with respeccing my characters and finding good items. And stuff. I played one day and played for 12 hours non stop.

[@blueboi12jj]

Same bro. These types of games feel so intimidating because of the complex D&D system, how massive the game world is and with sooo many choices. After I did the same and did stopped overthinking it, I made a second character just how I wanted to play, had fun and changed my class and never turned back. I AM HOOKED.

[@vindicy462]

Same bro, I tried the game first and got overwhelmed and a couple weeks later I came back and gave it at least 3 hours, unknowingly to me I played for almost 12 hours straight

[@shuwiye2498]

At 10:48 I love how you state that while having a million subs, just crystal clear facts, backed up by all the good and hard work done in your KZbin channel as an example 😂🎉🎉, it's a true wholesome slap in the face to those guys who don't wanna do a good job in this industry. It's just wholesome to hear ❤

[@emersonpereira9062]

I went from Diablo 4 to Baldur's Gate 3. The biggest difference I noticed was how Larian actually respects my time and money.

[@deceiver444]

How dare they ? Respecting customers is such a weird concept. Larian is definitely an anomaly.

[@braf7349]

My friend group and I have spent over 100 hours playing Divinity 2 together, and I genuinely feel like this studio goes above and beyond to make the game feel as in depth as possible. There's so many tiny details that make the game feel full of life. I don't want my games to feel like someone sat down for an afternoon, threw a bunch of assets together, then a board meeting was held talking about how to make that map feel even more empty.

[@TheForgottenBlackMan]

My friends and I also have spent over 100 hours in destiny 2!

[@anormalguy8407]

i found it insane that you could be at the other side of the map doing your own thing and your friend could do theirs and meet up whenever

[@InkySquid17]

My favorite thing about BG3 is that it shipped in a great state. I crashed once in my first 40 hours, and that was due to using the Vulcan API setting. It runs great, looks great, and is a blast to play. I just... I love it. Between me and my lady friend we have 210 hours since it came out. ... We might need an intervention.

[@syndran]

13:40 - No surprise that Starfield turned out to be a glitchy bug ridden disaster :)

[@renamamiya403]

Eldin ring, TOTK and BG3. These are what every developer should aspire for

[@sahaprocks7751]

True

[@Kikker861]

Actually fun games.

[@brianm2242]

Don't forget God of War: Ragnarok

[@keithtestaverde3712]

​@@brianm2242Glorified movie

[@Sindrella.]

​@@keithtestaverde3712 Witcher 3 glorified movie

[@Prokat_]

I want to give a massive thank you to Larian for hopefully starting the changes that we need in the AAA industry.

[@YormanGina]

Nope. Gonna take an Atari level crash to fix gaming at this point.

[@sozetsukokai9327]

We don't need that. We just need to stop buying the trash games, now that we have a metric for quality

[@mr_blank4413]

If you want companies to Change, don’t let them see 666 million in sales when their game is terrible. Developers don’t need to change, WE do.

[@joeslickback]

3:40 Love that Divinity Original Sin 2 battle theme

[@Joseph_Siri]

My only problem with the game is when I'm progressing through it, I'm already thinking of all the different things I'm gonna do in my next playthrough. There's so much I wanna do it's actually really distracting in the best way possible.

[@jojosothjar9551]

Lol you find some armor for a future character you wanna make and sit there theory crafting 20 mins... like ohh shit I gotta save the Duke

[@Charles_Drakkan]

YES, I haven't passed from act 1 just because I start again with other character from a different race or class, it has me chained to it

[@Joseph_Siri]

@@jojosothjar9551 Exactly. 🤣

[@luvhair255]

I've hardly been interested in evil playthroughs but some of it is so good that I'm tempted lol

[@jayzenstyle]

Oh... Oh no. I think I may not be able to see the sunlight for a long time....

[@TrunksBordare]

Gamers have set the precedent that it’s OK to expect less. Hopefully BG3 will get more people to hold game studios to a higher standard. And for the love of all that is holy, stop preordering games!

[@mksmike]

Word. Heard of Wayfinder's completely botched EA launch? You have fecking idiot players defending the company using cope arguments for having paid money to get early access to a future f2p only to get absolutely nothing in return on day 1. I'm sure as hell they wouldn't even have written an apology if they hadn't gotten review bombed to oblivion.

[@user-lq4ct6dr5m]

I’m a student and all but why people throw their hard earn money into shit and got mad about it

[@sebawuba8533]

@@user-lq4ct6dr5m They just want better products, it's not that much deeper. Can't blame them at all. Is it dumb to keep funding AAA companies? Absolutely. Is it wrong to want better games as a consumer? I really don't think so.

[@Chibi1986]

BG3 was an Early Access game, and from what I've heard, a lot of the really cringe/creepy stuff like the bear sex scene were added after that period was over. Early Access is pretty much a pre-order but worse since you're taking the role of paid access beta tester.

[@gameclips9084]

And star field turned out buggy and glitchy

[@vaantsy]

BG3 could even considered a SSS+ game. AAA is not enough for this masterpiece

[@pogethedoge]

Isn't it a AA game?

[@johnwong4952]

I agree with everything Act man said but he misses one thing. The gamers that enable these greedy companies. Its one thing to call out these companies, but as long there are gamers who settle for mediocrity, fall for nostalgia and ignore bad business practices, companies will still keep doing what they are doing.

[@Nomadith]

Aye - some gamers just have no principles

[@shibalegend3982]

"You can be addicted to a certain kind of sadness".

[@Teufelhundin1978]

I have an acquaintance that is a Blizzard simp that still viciously attacks anyone that bad mouths D4 so yeah totally agree.

[@Nomadith]

@@Teufelhundin1978 they... actually exist? I thought it was like some sort of fabled basement cryptid

[@ryanpyo9373]

The thing you didn’t mention but I think deserves big credit is the CEO of Larian, Swen Vincke. Unlike most ceos of huge game companies, I feel like he actually plays and cares about the games he releases. Dude forever earned my respect after showing up to a panel in full knight armor

[@LevitatingCups]

who knew that having a "gamer" leading a game dev team (instead of a marketer) could lead to good results, crazy.

[@spaniard35]

I bought early access when it was first released in 2020. I love how much the company listened to players and always came out with updates on fixing things that were broken. They would message back if you had problems and would help with questions about what you needed in graphics cards or ways to help for better playing experience. I also love that they gave every early access buyer everything the deluxe edition came with. They didn't start with 400 developers. They started off with a lot less and got more and more as people bought early access. The 2.5 million people that bought early access gave them the money to get more people and invested everything into this game. I love that they didn't even think that this game would sell this crazy and get the praise. They deserve this praise and I can't wait in the future for their next game.

[@joedrumm5239]

I'll say it. BG3 will be the game I compare every other game to for a long time. Fuck I'm getting more ram on my desktop so it can run smoother. It IS the standard, the love and care is evident. Want to k ow which other game holds to the same sort of standard and style and it shows? Surprisingly, cult of the lamb. Both titles very different but made with love and attention. More games NEED to work to achieve this!

[@baytownoutlaw9992]

What's the deal with people saying a game has bad graphics because they don't like the art style? It is one argument that I could agree with these companies on not all games are going to be photo realistic.

[@animegeek6118]

Best thing about the studio is how involved the actual boss of the company is and the passion he shares with his employees.

[@bable6314]

It's like how Todd Howard was when Bethesda was making Morrowind and Fallout 3

[@Tool_vs_Tool]

You can always tell when a company is passionate about their product. These guys are like the old Blizzard devs, gamers that like to game.

[@KwehShiro]

yeah i know people who work at larian and it's an amazing place to work at. Very generous and passionate company that care about their employees and their games. I also tried a while back to work there as a game tester, they gave me divinity original sin 2 to test my knowledge and just, i could keep the game after even if i wasn't taken.

[@Kappi__]

In gaming most decisions are made from suits that never play games only if they have to if even at all 😅

[@Raziera]

I'm reminded of a similar outcry happening with Elden Ring back when it released. Glad to see Baldur's Gate 3 is walking the same path.

[@justachimpmangaming779]

You mean the games fan base’s irrationally hating other games to come out right after it and the delusion that super niche autism simulators are going to be the industry norm? Yea your right

[@cannedsquasher5923]

It is crazy how games shouldn't be held to this standard apparently yet Baldur's Gate, Elden Ring and Armored Core 6 all just happen to do so... According to the shills and game developers that make shitty products only Larian Studios and FromSoft are the only developers capable of not making garbage.

[@zulasharubishir6151]

want to give a massive thank you to Larian for hopefully starting the changes that we need in the AAA industry.