Diablo Fanboys Try to Defend Diablo 4

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Download Naraka: Bladepoint for free on all platforms gsght.com/c/53hvfh and celebrate the game’s 2nd anniversary! Join the discord group: discord.gg/narakabladepoint Last video I reviewed Diablo 4 and got plenty of feedback from fans and folks that disagreed. So lets see what they had to say! Can Diablo Fanboys defend Diablo 4??

[@On_Beat]

Diaibo

[@StressHaze]

How about no

[@Nubern]

Good to see everybody back again

[@warfare1101]

Amazing review

[@GallusGamer]

Sounds cool

[@bageljosher9027]

I gotta be honest the guy who said you deserve a bad game for giving blizzard money is my hero

[@misfortunecookie]

He is truly the most sane youtube commenter

[@walkingwhisperer]

Damn straight.

[@yosefyonin6824]

Why did he say something so brave yet so controversial...?

[@user-rp2dp2ij3d]

Fr

[@archersterling6726]

Pirating Blizzard games is justice

[@sargetun]

the "you supported Blizzard so you deserve a bad game" is actually underrated hahaha ngl

[@ARottenMuffin]

Truly an enlightened individual, ngl I also didn't want to buy this game because I play hearthstone and overwatch so I too suspected it wouldn't be as good as people hyped it up to be since Blizzard sucks. Maybe Microsoft can make them make good games again lol..

[@concernedhomosapien9807]

@@ARottenMuffin Yea but his support for blizzard resulted in quite of a not buying the game perhaps, so was it really support

[@MrKrewie]

I'm happy to see that these enlightened individuals actually exist in a sea of fanboys

[@Chzrm3]

Even funnier now. They just dropped patch notes for 1.1 that are nerfing the speed of leveling considerably. So the part that sucks about d4 is getting significantly longer. LMAO. Idk why anyone buys blizzard games anymore. Company is defunct at this point, the only hope is that Microsoft cleans house and brings back some semblance of the old blizz.

[@Swaahqo]

@@Chzrm3yes but I don’t have much hope after how Microsoft handled Halo after the franchise was handed to them

[@ismakami]

I love these "D4 starts to get fun at level 100" Is like when I told my friend 'You should have kids, the fun starts when the last of them is 18 and leave the house'

[@lostboi8825]

God I fucking laughed reading this, top tier comment take my fucking like you legend

[@brianschaefer3851]

​@@lostboi8825calm down man

[@MusMasi]

lol so underrated

[@Victor-sk8by]

toplol 😄

[@Aganie.]

They sound like one piece fans telling me it gets good after episode 700

[@none62092]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an audience cope so hard that they loop back around to pointing out the bad aspects of the thing they are defending

[@MJyoung35]

Pokemon fans when SV dropped

[@KrolKaz]

Is cope the new online buzzword? I keep seeing everyone say it

[@UnitSe7en]

Hey, Starfield is out!

[@rarepepe4849]

its the new drug that everyone is overdosing on@@KrolKaz

[@brianschaefer3851]

Happens all the time in abusive relationships. They just need to get out of these "live service" games while they still have a chance.

[@TLBainter]

"you're a clown because you hate this game when you didn't even get to the parts that are ACTUALLY terrible." 💀

[@Ioganstone]

Ya he put the clown emoji before then saying the rest which was hilarious.

[@hafirenggayuda]

I just can't tell if that guy say that ironically or not

[@zertun2380]

@@hafirenggayuda Nah pretty sure just an moron.

[@guilhermevescovinicchio3961]

Exactly, is there someone that thinks Diablo endgame is good?

[@elmo4ever]

Patch 1.1.0 is all I can say

[@Kiyuja]

A true fan is a franchise's hardest critic, not a defender of weird coorperate decisions to justify their own purchase. I used to be a competitive Pokémon player, these days I dont even wanna buy the game anymore and it hurts my feelings after thousands of hours dumped into the games. A true fan would love its franchise to be the best it can be, not cope about it.

[@user-hb3fi3vn2w]

I can understand people defending indie games or supercheap/freeware games but a $70 turd from a "aaa" studio, f that.

[@madmacabre]

A true fan would be someone like yourself who saw the reality of what the franchise had became

[@theucheao]

Thank god I stopped affiliating with Pokémon after Heart Gold 2012

[@hafirenggayuda]

Like Star War fans, or Star Trek, or Dr Who.... Man, "Modern" franchises just regressed

[@Burningwoodz]

cool he got to 48 and stopped and said it was ez ..... died how many times did not play hc lol when classic d2 came out the end game was trash

[@mildchaos6037]

I legitimately have no idea how anybody could say “Hey, let’s have the players do everything all over again at the end of every season” And have a room of people say “fuck yes, that’s what the players want!”. That news was an insta- uninstall for me

[@eclipse369.]

It works for diablo 2 because that is the end game of diablo 2 lol. A game which you can beat in idk like 8 hours for most. Then do it again 8 more times with other classes and builds. The robotic people will grind for loot to kill the monsters they grind for loot a bit faster /repeat until ladder reset.

[@keithrees4755]

oh back in the days of D3 when i seen that don't care what the better rewards was there is nothing exciting about starting over to many times i like to move in one direction and that is forward

[@razinghavoc7419]

​@@eclipse369.Yeah but d2 was a Good game.

[@DarkSim64]

That's the reason why in this kind of game nowadays, I only play in "off-season". Because if I'm too busy in my life to play the game, and can only play 1-2 times a week, I would never be able to make any sort of progress.

[@keithrees4755]

@@DarkSim64yup how i exactly feel

[@ZuckerbergsAi]

"game gets good after 30h" is an insane way to defend a game

[@Mazaroth]

It's wild, if D2 back in the day would've been like "yeah, only after 30 hours the game gets good", it would've died and be forgotten, washed away by the sands of time for nobody to remember.

[@ZuckerbergsAi]

@@Mazaroth it might be nostalgia but the gothic feel of those games really got me, I don't think I ever got to much end game content other than the cow level.

[@optiondezzo1513]

Starfield: hold my beer.

[@TheTundraTerror]

"Just wait until Season 1!" Oh boy, did that age poorly.

[@krystal69420]

aged well like a fine milk.

[@kquack]

@@krystal69420 alright krystal69420

[@northstar6920]

@@krystal69420 Age'd like goat milk

[@Michael-ex8lk]

I can smell the spoilage from here and I don't even play Diablo. God season 1 looks like the worst thing ever. Fire the people that put it out.

[@in2it85]

Guys, just wait until Diablo 5, I am sure they will have finished Diablo 4 by that time. 🤣

[@CriticalNobody]

If a game doesn't "get good" until the 30 hour mark, that should be considered a problem.

[@djspectrebolt8450]

we don't need a video game one piece pls

[@waterbottles393]

*cough* every MMO ever *cough*

[@ericdesjardins1854]

Yeah like I barely even play a game beyond the 30 hour mark so if I have to wait until that point, then fuck that shit I’m out

[@acidgolem2132]

Cough cough warframe

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Long ago, on Yahtzees said the same on his Zero Punctuation episode on FF13. Like seriously, forcing yourself to play something that you are not enjoying on the premise that "It gets good after X amount of hours" its pretty much a horrible deal.

[@xian1978]

I love how "hardcore" players will tell you that you need to endure 50 hours of shit to get to the good part, and somehow that's a good thing and they brag that they did that.

[@TheSakufighter]

They all tend to have spineadiffida

[@NikolaHundz]

They have to justify their wasted time somehow.

[@kpucko185]

The comments about how you didn't actually get to the real game because you stopped after beating the campaign are the best for me. Those guys are literally the perfect consumers.

[@JimmyFoxhound]

Anyone playing a hardcore character in an online only game where the biggest threat to your character is a possible random disconnect from the online server is just insane.

[@moderndemon84]

😂

[@tylr3669]

hohohoho...I did it in beta. Died IMMEDIATELY upon leaving the first non-tutorial town, to another players dragged mob...Literally got 1 tapped by the 1st monster I saw out of the stupid tutorial. And that was moment I knew it was time to return this game. This is dumb. Whoever thought this was a good idea, is ALSO dumb. Blizzard is dumb. And it's not getting better.

[@moderndemon84]

@@tylr3669 🤣

[@stevealford230]

@@ohyea456 So you're one of those people who can't conceive of any circumstances that other people experience being any different from yours, right?

[@ohyea456]

@@stevealford230 You clearly don't understand my point. The two people I talked to, said their biggest threat was disconnecting. My point to them is that they are making the decision to play with a bad connection. If your biggest threat is a connection... you're not meant to play hardcore online games. If you choose to anyways and have a horrible time... that's on you, not the game.

[@boofsquad1482]

"You shouldn't judge a game for its campaign that you need to play through all the way in order to access the endgame" amazing how that can register in someone's brain

[@MultiAFroDuck]

@reconz-em6gj lmao your argument is hilarious!!! on par with the ones he showed on video, cant judge a game on its own merits because he didnt play the previous one, im guessing the technical issues and bad balance are not the fault of the game, they just magically showed up because he didnt play d3! thanks for the laughs!

[@SirFenV]

@reconz-em6gj theres no way you don't see the irony in your comment

[@tsunderemaids]

@reconz-em6gj you can't be serious

[@Shroomsn]

@reconz-em6gj you got a few lil troll ;)

[@edgarkrisnayoga1606]

@reconz-em6gj then why bother adding the class, stupid argument. Imagine needing to play FF 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 in order to like or critique FF16

[@HIghlordBalkan]

The problem with the Diablo community is that most of the die-hards and the vets noped out after D3. We saw how the winds were changing. D3 and D4 aren't meant for us oldies, they're designed for both obsessive grinders and casuals who like simple power fantasy games. Everything that made Diablo and Diablo II timeless classics are completely gone with the sequels. Blizzard, as with their other games don't give a shit about making good games anymore, just what's going to make as much money as unrealistically possible.

[@huskysilverdog]

I think it boils down to this: People these days have accepted bad products out of some sort of combination of ignorance and addiction. Companies are abusing humanity's psychological downfalls and the majority of people are just too ignorant to understand they're being taken advantage of. Gaming industry has more in common with cigarettes, casinos, and drug dealers than anything else.

[@deezboyeed6764]

These companies literally hire pyschologist to make their grind, lootboxes and battle passes as addictive as possible.

[@christianhodge4185]

I think it also has to do with the current times where we are used to getting everything instantly. There are some gamers that don't want to spend hours grinding for equipment and upgrades so they spend extra money to get it in a second. Worst part is, it's starting to get in single player games. Devil may cry 4&5 has the option to buy all upgrades before you even play the first mission and even all of the unlockables that require you to replay the game on higher difficulties. It's clearly worked well enough to to be implemented into the Resident Evil remakes.

[@keithrees4755]

yes husk persons are not being taught wisdom reasoning and above all else common sense

[@ProgrammerJeff]

I heard a quote once that said, "If you get bored reading a book then give up on the book. The onus is on the writer to keep you engaged through the whole thing" I feel like this applies here.

[@alexives9274]

But the book might get good at the end

[@themightymcb7310]

@@alexives9274 your time would be better spent reading a book that spends more of it's runtime being good than just the ending.

[@estebandeloso]

​@@themightymcb7310I feel like you missed the joke.

[@themightymcb7310]

@@estebandeloso I did

[@guilhermevescovinicchio3961]

Great take. I believe it as well, books and games are not chores, it must be fun for you

[@Mista_Cassla]

I grinded to lvl 100 and no lifed the game the first couple weeks..DEFINITELY NOT WORTH 🤣

[@BonW]

Sorry for your loss

[@ambds1975]

Same. The 'end game' is grinding higher and higher NM dungeons forever. The higher difficulty levels are just marginally higher quality floods of trash loot.

[@keithrees4755]

i did not even make it to lv 50 on my 1st play through got bored of it mighty quick

[@user-bi6eg1lo7v]

I died in Hardcore at level 59 then stopped playing since. I haven't looked back! ^__^

[@keithrees4755]

@@user-bi6eg1lo7v yeah won't touch hard core mode anymore learned that back in D3 it only took one death for me to never look back at that idea again

[@St0RM33]

The five stages of grief - denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

[@umbranoctis4348]

Too bad people seemingly didn't get the season pass and only have access to denial and anger.

[@HazMatch3]

Fanboys saying the game gets good at the endgame is no different than One Piece fans telling you the show gets good 300 episodes in.

[@goldman77700]

300 episodes?! Geez. 😂

[@Dr.HooWho]

Eh its not a good comparison, its each to their own to enjoy one piece and its very popular anyways. Also people know early episodes of old anime isn't gonna be as great buy its how anime was before. You need a better comparison since unlike diablo 4, the anime is more popular and vast majority like it

[@random22ful]

Diablo 4 fans be like "Hey man getting kicked in the balls gets wayyyy better after your crotch goes completely numb after the 10th kick."

[@tjwoffy94]

🤣🤣🤣 you have single-handedly made my evening a hell of a lot less depressing thank you 🤣🤣🤣

[@FreeKnilly]

i mean if thats what you like, go for it.

[@brandon10301991]

Not sure what game you played but my balls remain unscathed. I walk through everything like it's made of paper.

[@ismailforconi5299]

​@@grindelmichel1473what are you talking about, dark souls has no endgame and the fights are fun from the start

[@CMCAdvanced]

@@grindelmichel1473 yeah but thankfully that's the reasonable expectation

[@leonardooliveira4627]

Not even Visual Novel fans try to convince someone with "after 30 hours it gets really good"

[@izanami3793]

Well, Visual Novels have to be interesting from the start otherwise people will stop reading.

[@goldskarr]

Even FF13 apologists gave it twenty hours.

[@malcolmvalentine1360]

I'd argue Final Fantasy 14 fans will say after 300 hours it starts to get really good. Just get outta the base game and it'll be okay. Just hit level 80 and your class will feel good.

[@ZeroXSEED]

@@izanami3793 Nah, Act 1 is *always* the boring shit and that is Industrial standard deliberate, so Act 2 can twist the knife harder

[@pepekovallin]

​@@malcolmvalentine1360lmao, true. Luckily I didn't had to wait that long, I enjoyed the game from the beginning

[@ngs2683]

The guy who said you missed a ton of actual issues while trying to convince you the game is good made me laugh out loud

[@TheSilentWalkerz]

The fanboys arguments seem to be, “The game stops being shit after investing 30 hours, you just gotta suffer boredom”.

[@nisserov]

When he says "No wonder the game is so bad, you guys have no effin' standard whatsoever" is just so on point. The current Diablo fanbase (and alot of gamers in general) is just so lost in meaningless grinding gameplay. If people actually had a life OUTSIDE of their games, they would value the time spent gaming. Not grinding endlessly for weeks just to get a dagger that does +2 to a stat of 2000. It´s kinda sad really, how lost this current generation of gamers are :/

[@gabrielpineirogarcia2078]

I dont know if lost or maliciously misled. Might be a bit of both.

[@vivamexico254]

You hit it straight in the head

[@cpchyper]

True true. Grinding as a mechanic is okay sometimes, but if the entire gameplay is THE grinding, then I'll pass.

[@allisonbrautigam1444]

That's true I think people don't value spent time nearly enough.

[@nackenlappen3995]

Amen

[@arturoperezify]

When one of your main defenses of a game is that "it gets better after you beat it" then you probably shouldn't be defending it in the first place...

[@letsplayoldergames9172]

Idk some of the most popular games on the planet are like that. For example a good amount of mmo’s get more fun in end game rather then then normal game

[@ectsy]

@@letsplayoldergames9172that’s not the point you dimwit. If the game doesn’t engage you within the first few hours of gameplay then to you as the customer it isn’t worth putting anymore time into. If the game isn’t engaging in the beginning it won’t magically be engaging in the end game. The whole reason good mmos are alive is because the early game motivates people to the end game. Diablo has the opposite effect it seems

[@sol9059]

Some games are more Fun after you beat them, Fallout New vegas and the Devil may cry series for example.

[@jayblack5942]

​@@sol9059 Yeah but they're fun b4 u beat them too

[@soluna1679]

@@letsplayoldergames9172 then that game either gives the player booster shit like "jumping event", "free package with the most broken shit each 5lvl" or combat is the only thing redeemable factor of that game. Most of that game fanbase just keep lingering because of sunken cost or they just invest a third of their life and dont want to quit and try new things. Thats a bad game. Really, really bad game

[@Darkness5423]

That would be like saying - Don't call the new Dynasty Warriors games trash, once you max out a few characters and get their best weapon on the hardest difficulty where 2 arrows will kill you, you can then farm the best items on He Fei Castle on Chaos difficulty for 539 hours THEN you can have an opinion. The game gets really good after you put in 80 hours of maxing your preferred characters /s

[@HoopleBogart]

This is the best D4 review on the internet. Also I never knew those zombies permanently lowered your max HP in D1. god that game was so good.

[@cynicalgold9992]

that captain jack sparrow bit, with the "but you HAVE heard of me" is one of the funniest jokes on this channel. absolutely phenomenal edit: these replies are proof that people on the internet just look for reasons to be mad

[@TheActMan]

Thank you! I had a lot of fun making that 😂

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

@@TheActMan You matched the snobby pretentiousness in that skit Norrington had in the movie to represent these fanboys. Had me laughing for a solid minute. 9/10 has a little something for everyone. Too much air

[@SPX157]

3:29

[@kyero8724]

@@TheActMan ......Really? ooookay lol "Phenomenal" No I haven't heard of you clown. I only heard of you because Asmongold. the guy that actually has a following.

[@curiousguyontheinternet9023]

@@kyero8724 You lost, buddy? Because from where I’m standing, it seems that you wandered into the comment section of people who don’t care about superficial crap like that

[@businesscatlimbo]

That one guy that said strength was meaningless in Diablo 2 never played Diablo 2 apparently. Strength was required for every class to be able to wear your equipment lol

[@flippypwnage2789]

that statement came from "minmaxing" perspective. D2 is so fundamentally imbalanced that vita seemed to always be the best pick. that's how basically every "meta" char was skilled (you could get damage from other sources but having only 1000 - 1500 life meant that you're getting one shotted in hell if your resistances were bad) aside from that, every point in str gives 1%ed melee for druid, pal and assa. for barb it was 2%. amazon damage scaled with dex. for nec and sorc there wasn't a stat (energy simply increased your mana not your damage) so they had to get their damage from elsewhere if your gear was good enough though you could go the other way around. get vita to 1500 (or even less, maybe fill up with gcs and scs) and put the rest into str or dex. with barbs and amazons getting 350 - 400 of those 510 stat points into their damage stat, really made a difference

[@Deqnkata]

Isnt that pretty meaningless ? If the only point of a stat is to " i need it to equip item" ...The good thing imo was that it was meaningless to sorc/necros but important for the fighters - i like that in a good RPG where classes feel diverse and use different stats and not like D3 - my mage is wearing a 2H Skorn axe and it casting spells with it , my Barb is doing the same ... so what is the difference ? Only important stats are CC/CD/AS and D4 feels similar in that regard. I like more specific skills/stats and not just generic number improvements. I want a build where i use my slow 2H for huge slow hits and a dagger for fast atks with a lot of crits and a wand that increases the magic dmg etc etc .

[@unleashedbread6146]

strength gave you the ability to equip your items in the beginning of the game, but all endgame guides say to not waste skill points on it after that. If Act Man only plays the campaign it makes sense he would have this perspective, but the people who grind the game out actually have a fuller idea of what stats are useful. (For example most characters have between 60-80 points into strength, and most endgame characters have 200+ into vitality).

[@ArcDragoon]

@@Deqnkata It's not meaningless. There are stat requirements in PoE too. What this does is open up game design and build design. If you want a certain piece of gear, you have to have a certain required stat for it. So, you have to either path your skill tree for it, or find more genius ways to get those stats. This in turn also allows designers to create unique items that rewards extreme stat thresholds. This also helps that in PoE, your class does not completely stop you from playing however you want, as all it does is affect where you start in the skill tree and some style choices in your sub-class. Also, in regards to "slow hits". In my opinion that never works in ARPGs as game designers have never figured out how to balance that correctly. The problem with "slow hits" are proc rates and damage. If you're attacking faster, you have more chances to apply effects and trigger effects. But, if you have "slow hits, but big damage" attacks, people break it by just giving it faster attack speed, and ignore the "slow hits" entirely. There is no satisfying way to balance this.

[@C.A._Old]

*Blizzard is Porn Production.* *VALVE SOFTWARE ITS CHAD.*

[@jjacobs4263]

What kills me is I actually felt like I got weaker as I leveled up in D4, that was such a downer that it sucked all the fun out of the game for me. Level matching and bad itemization / useless stat bloat really screwed this game imo.

[@JoshuaA1307]

As a Genshin player it made me cringe seeing how that could happen…. The worldlevel should match the player and make it give a sense of progress…. Whether it’s better loot, higher stats and acess to harder bosses if you wish to

[@somanken]

okay, I lost it at the "but you have heard of me", pretty sure I only just found act man and I'm loving the way he fills the reviews with little comedic gags, it really helps liven it up and keeps my brain in the happy mode!

[@ShadowVincent3]

"Don't like it, don't play it." "Don't play it, you don't have a right to criticise it." Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[@megaomx9082]

If hardcore fanboys says: "Don't like it, don't play it." its mean = " Stop accurately criticize our game." .

[@chaosdragun1608]

​@@megaomx9082so you can accurately rate a game you played a small percentage of? Next time you walk into a restaurant make sure you rate the entire restaurant based on the appetizer because you've been to other restaurants before and therefore are qualified to extrapolate your opinion lol

[@theshortstack02]

​@@chaosdragun1608I don't think playing the campaign to finish and some dungeons is a small portion of the game, I don't know what to consider a small portion of Diablo, but personally I think Act man played a good portion of the game or at least played it to completion, I can comfortably say it's fun but it doesn't do anything that makes it stand out, I got to world Tier 2 on a lvl 56 Nerco and it just wasn't really fun when I beat the campaign for another time and then I think it's absolutely stupid that to experience any new content you have to make another character to do so.

[@wedgeantilles8575]

@@chaosdragun1608 Well, actually you CAN rate most stuff without having to consume all of it. Did you ever read a book? Well, if you read a lot of books, you very fast learn to judge a book after only reading a few pages. If you walk into the resteaurant and the floor is dirty, the appetizer tastest horrible and the service is bad, you do not need to try every other dish to realize that the restaurant is low quality. If a movie sucks after 30 minutes, you do not need to watch 2 more hours to being able to "accurately rate" it. And in a computer game there is quite a lot you can accurately rate very fast: Combat system (in Diablo 4 excellent) e.g. Graphics. Soundtrack. Voiceacting. World Design. Even story progression and the way a story is told can be judged with a fair amount of accuracy. Yeah, if the story starts strong it can get weak. But there are VERY LITTLE games that have a weak story at the beginning and get better and better over time. So if the story is very mediocre right from the beginning, the telling is not good, the characters are boring - there is next to no chance that these points will improve. How does the AI act in combat? That is something you figure out quite fast. How is stuff like pathfinding of your units? Again, you realize how good or bad it is within the first hour. Is something like the inventar / skillsystem and menue clunky? Or easily navigatable? How is the input to your commands? Is there lag? Most of the elements in a computer game you encounter in the first hour and you can rate in the first hour. Sure, there are some elements you can't judge (e.g. replayability) - but the big majority of a computer game can be EASILY and ACCURATELY rated after very little time.

[@user-hb3fi3vn2w]

​@@chaosdragun1608 you can accurately rate the portion of the game you played. "I played the 1st 30 hours, it sucked" is just as valid as "I played the entire game, it sucked"

[@Kevbo2040]

I literally have no idea who Act Man is and I'm not even a big fan of Diablo (I've played 1 and 2 and only like once or twice each, years ago), but I found this video and laughed the entire way through it. Nothing is funnier, more confounding, and more pathetic than diehard fanboys spewing desperate copium all over the place. Fantastic video.

[@warlock6814]

Act man the goat

[@Avenger7702]

I know like I never played Diablo. I just enjoy his commentary. 😂 (and obviously some of the games he reviews but even the ones I don’t play I’ll watch just cuz their interesting deep conversations about gaming!). Hopefully you watch more.

[@constantinexie8484]

The roast of fanboys is much more entertaining than the game itself. Thank you, Good Sir!

[@Zer0Blizzard]

I love people admitting to their issues with logic, knowledge and basic difficulties with literacy. It really makes me feel better about myself.

[@Legoguy9875]

It baffles me that "this game's terrible until you finish the main part of it" is considered a viable defense. If you consider the portion after the campaign is finished to be the best part, that's fine, but that doesn't excuse everything leading up to it being boring or dreadful, _especially_ if it requires double digit hours to even reach that point.

[@notimportant8643]

I’m looking at you ff14 MSQ!!!

[@bellcross9985]

@@sealteampepega8403 it depends. for example i just got into PoE and I really like some systems , but what i hate is the loot drop. In some cases it literally fills your screen with junk. I love the gem skill system though. This game also has a campaign that is meant to be played through at fast pacing because i couldn't remember anything memorable about it. but i haven't seen anyone defending that.

[@SyntaxWyntax]

​@@sealteampepega8403bro what this game is made for casuals lol by lvl like 80 u have all the gear that matters. Now ur just rolling for slightly higher stats to push high tier nightmare dungeons that give u the same loot as a low tier nightmare dungeon. Id rather go level a character in classic wow lol

[@Ayrayen]

"I ordered a burger with fries, the fries were moldy, the hamburger was rotten. However, the cake desert was wonderful. Can't believe wannabe reviewers give this restaurant 0/5 without having tasted the desert.. 5/5"

[@calia1256]

@@SyntaxWyntax thats just diablo though a slightly better item is the grind people look for and have since d2LOD From grinding down GG items like Grief runewords, or Enigma, Or any of the high tier runewords. As there are rolls for those items as there are for their bases. Finding a good item takes time, and in d2 it took a long time to get there, with D4 you can skip the campaign and can grind to level 50 pretty quickly. Its one of the best parts of Diablo 4 is just how quick and easy it is to get there once you've beaten the game cause you never have to do the campaign and I can tell you... Diablo's story has never been good. ITs always been heavily disjointed. So most people ignore the story in d2...

[@james_tiberius_kirk73]

Boy did this video ever age well in the context of Patch 1.1. I was already teetering on not playing Seasons as what is on offer is rather insipid. Logging on post update and looking at my now emasculated sheet perfect HOTA Barbarian was an absolute blow. Been gaming for 45 years and this is the worst game patch I've ever seen. I bought the Ultimate edtion too because you know - I'm a real Diablo Fan, one of those who put 10000 hours into D2 back in the day. Anyway, uninstalled this mess and bough FFXVI and Baldur's Gate 3. GG Act man - nice video and gidday from AUSTRALIA.

[@MetalGamer666]

What did the patch do? So excited for BG3!

[@Mont3000]

Thanks to this video and the endless complaining on Reddit, I don't have to buy a PS4/5 just to play this game because that is what I was planning on doing. This was my plan like the last 4+ years. I was just waiting on this game to finally come out as D3 is my favorite of all time. But they went to the extra greedy and speedy route that mobile games like to do. Grind for crumbs or spend money for a chance at a slice. When I first seen their advertisements, it reminded me of those Avenger Mobile Ads "Our most ambitious game yet", they kept repeating it. I knew it was over. Oh yeah then Meagan Fox was the nail in the coffin.

[@MoonTurky]

Man gamers are so tasteless nowadays they think switching from D4 to FF is a good thing

[@CPDystopia]

wanna co-op BG 3?

[@marclenraymagdaraog691]

@@Mont3000 It's actually a very common trick in the industry. To re-direct the people's attention from the real problems of the game they do these crap. vs some indie game that shows a fck ton of gameplay and a lot of explanations about how the game works. vs Diablo IV and them just saying colorful words to cover up how unpolished the game is.

[@aviatinggamer9051]

21:03 that person’s point wasn’t that hiring people of color makes for bad products. Their point was that when you hire people because of their color, and not their merit as a game developer, then your product will suffer. And I agree. Affirmative action and diversity hiring instead of promoting a meritocracy is very similar to what led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. My least favorite quote is “if you don’t study history, you’ll be doomed to repeat it.” It should be, if “if the masses choose to ignore history then you’ll be doomed to repeat it.” Me, as an individual, knowing history has absolutely no bearing on whether it will be repeated or not.

[@wolfenergy4219]

Can you explain to me why the roman empire felled due to this , I'd like to use this in future arguments .

[@aviatinggamer9051]

@@wolfenergy4219 well something that might be misunderstood is that I said abandoning a meritocracy for things such as affirmative action is similar to what led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. I did not say and did not mean that Rome literally adopted affirmative action lol. I won’t go into a full history lesson but it is pretty well documented that Rome turned away from their meritocracy and started promoting and getting people elected based on who their parents were instead of their resume. A lot of things contributed to the fall of Rome, but abandoning their meritocracy was a huge component, imo.

[@wolfenergy4219]

@@aviatinggamer9051ty for your reply , I understand now

[@HiGlowie]

Promoting people for anything other than skill/work ethic is ridiculous. Gotta pander somehow.

[@WigWoo1]

9:51 Diablo 3 is my favorite campaign. As well as general level design and grind

[@GloriousSnuggleKingLeBron23]

Growing up as a kid, I watched Gears of War on Netflix and that Climate Change documentary really changed me. Thank you for bringing my childhood up ActMan

[@ultimaxkom8728]

Hey, I too grow up as a kid! What a coincidence.

[@Akkbar21]

Absolute children making me feel old af

[@LePopeUrban]

@@Akkbar21 "as a child" "netflix" *fades away in to ancient dust*

[@obijuanquenobi1911]

Anyone remember the old alien invasion movie named Banjo-Kazooie? That was the game changer for me back in the day

[@TRG_R17]

Reply 5

[@AverageYTer]

Arguing with a fan base is like arguing with a pigeon. Even if you’re right, it will still strut around and shit on everything like it won anyway.

[@zander12]

I couldn't have said it better👍🏻

[@Windbend3r]

Only difference here is act man is not right. Diablo 4 is good. People complain about literally everything

[@bananabread580]

@@Windbend3r Dawg d4 is not that good, just go back to playing d3 and stop being a sheep

[@spikyowl107]

@@Windbend3r diablo 2 better

[@hylianro]

​@@Windbend3ropinions opinions

[@AP-op4rc]

The amount of mental gymnastics people are willing to do, to protect something that shamelessly treats them as nothing more than a source of money, is troubling to say the least. For a long time, the video game industry was a holdout where players held them accountable in a way that kept the quality level higher. Now people drink sand and swear it’s water just to not have to admit they got screwed.

[@tyrant4798]

nothing beats putting actman on my second monitor while I game and just going down his upload list, love the takes and the channel!

[@yuzurihamoon805]

In regard to the "not the real game until end-game" design philosophy, I think Nioh series handles this in a much better way. Yes a lot of features are locked until you beat the game for the first time and start NG+, but your first playthrough is the most brutal and challenging one. You are not doing a chore just to reach the "real game", you are really learning the game and improving your skill. Finally beating NG feels like an accomplishment, and subsequent playthroughs become so much smoother that they are like rewards for your struggle and effort made during your first journey.

[@TheActMan]

Good point! The Tales of games have this currency you earn over the course of the campaign and then you can spend it once you beat the game to make your next playthrough radically different

[@Doombot2point0]

@@TheActMan That's a really cool idea! Gives incentive to maybe find the harder to find items etc to earn more of that currency!

[@zhaoyun255]

@@TheActMan As a Vesperia hardcore player or Tales player in general, Grade Shop was a great system from replayability. The Grade system was a great way to "motivate" you to get better at the game since it was like Campaign Ranking on how well you did during your playthrough. The better u did, more grades will be awarded to your NG+ for more features. Unless you are a degenerate like me and did "Blah Blah Blah Violet Pain" cheese with Rita to one of the Beast Side Quest Monster with Minimal Damage and Risky Ring. LOL Also, I love the "Skill issue" check Boss in an RPG. In Vesperia, you got Gattuso aka the infamous Demo Boss that whooped your ass VERY quickly if you are not paying attention and your party SUCKS aside from Yuri and Rita. Or in Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne with the Matador fight aka you will LEARN HOW TO PLAY THE GAME kind of boss. Beating these guy are more than grinding because you need proper strats instead of gung-hoing your way power leveling.

[@marcosdheleno]

i dunno man, go look any build video on nioh and they literaly tell you, you cant make builds until the last 3rd of the game, sometimes until endgame. so you know...

[@Kadeo64]

It's a shame the metal gear version of this philosophy (peace walker) fucking sucks

[@Leppter]

The fact that without fail people attach their entire personality to a game and defend it to the death never fails to impress me. I swear there must be millions of people around the world who WANT a job dressed up as a game and truly think that is 'fun'.

[@WitchYuki22]

You also have people who think you should put in as much effort in video games as if it's your actual career 😂😂 Oldheads being oldheads though. You guys are stuck in the past while the rest of the world moves on with you. That's why you guys are always mad af 😂😂

[@stillcantbesilencedevennow]

​@@WitchYuki22silly summer child. Time comes for all.

[@BertzTriscut]

As someone who grinded in MW 2019, that is absolutely the case.

[@WitchYuki22]

@stillcantbesilenced6647 you should take your own advice lmao The fact that the world has moved on from your era of your video games means that you should move on. Either stop playing modern games or find another hobby. It's that easy you oldhead 😂

[@seanpoulton2446]

What’s funny is that I love Cyberpunk (after it was patched) and Death Stranding. The thing is that I have no problem with people criticizing and hating those games. It’s honestly pathetic that people will defend a game like their lives are on the line

[@coziesthades1711]

Love the work you’ve done Act Man, just found you channel recently and I can say you’ve gained a subscriber today. I’ll say that seeing Fanboys suffering from the sunk cost fallacy and vehemently justifying their purchase till they devolve from people into cash whales for Activision to use and abuse is so bloody sad At some point you’ve got to question your own personality and intelligence, you’ve got to ask “Am I an NPC?” Because if your entire life is going towards defending and supporting a horrid game that goes against everything decent and sensible in gaming then I’m sorry but your probably not even a person anymore, your a robot who’s only purpose is to feed your master’s more money It’s sad because I bet hundreds have actively ruined their lives and the lives of others around them all to try and justify their continued love for a company that wants nothing more than to screw them in every way imaginable

[@umbranoctis4348]

Some people don't get the difference between being a fan and being a fanatic. If the next season comes with free kicks in the nuts, they're gonna argue that those are better than the 1.99$ kicks in the nuts they got out of the premium store.

[@xxjahmalxx]

That, "I don't know which ROLE I should PLAY in this Game!" had me crying! 😭😭😭. Excellent delivery sir! 🙌🏾

[@paradigm2897]

"It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled"

[@Ioganstone]

Probably would be better to direct the hate towards the foolers, to be perfectly honest.

[@UnkemptDan]

@@Ioganstone been there, done that. Complaints falling on deaf ears are not heard. Through Blizzards "vibrant" history, they have only demonstrated how little they give a shit about what the majority of players want.

[@Ioganstone]

​@@UnkemptDan I was still thinking of there being paydirt in terms of the fake watchdogs like Internet Historian and The Engoodening of No Man's Sky. It's great that he knows linear time, but thought tends to stop there.

[@doomsday5286]

Tru dat.

[@blacklight1104]

@@Ioganstone But then that would require them to actually acknowledge they've been fooled, right? That's why a lot of these people take it too personally. To acknowledge they've been duped is to invalidate their experience.

[@zombiekiller1412]

0:49 that person said "why do you keep calling Diablo 4 an rpg ?" Let me just type out what the game description says on the store when you're looking at it to buy it. This is word for word for what it says on PS4/PS5, Xbox One/Series X/Series S, and on the battlenet launcher: "Diablo IV is the next-gen action RPG experience with endless evil to slaughter, countless abilities to master, nightmarish Dungeons, and legendary loot. Embark on the campaign solo or with friends, meeting memorable characters through beautifully dark settings and a gripping story, or go rogue through an expansive End Game and shared world where players will meet in towns to trade, team up to battle World Bosses, or descend into PVP zones to test their skills against other players - no lobbies necessary - with cross-play and cross-progression on all available platforms." Literally says it's an RPG game right in the first sentence This is what it says on steam: "Join the fight for Sanctuary in Diablo IV, the ultimate action RPG adventure. Experience the critically acclaimed campaign and new seasonal content." Diablo 4's own website on the homepage says: "WELCOME TO HELL" "ACTION RPG" "BUY NOW"

[@nebeskisrb7765]

"it gets better after 100 hours" has been a cope of always online RPGs since first MMOs.

[@OseronPhaer]

"[...] stop defending it because you deserve better." That line, right there. I have been saying this about every crappy game, show, movie, book you can think of. Don't accept companies shoveling garbage down your throat; demand better. You deserve to get things that are worth you spending your money and, perhaps more importantly, your time on. And that's not to say you can't enjoy something just because it isn't perfect...but it's a lot healthier to recognize the flaws in things you like, doubly so when they're more objective in nature and/or glaringly obvious.

[@matkosmat8890]

Well put. I have a feeling that people who defend D4 are actually trying to convince themselves that all that wait was not for nothing, that we have an adequate product to keep us happy for another decade.

[@brakhai5605]

Thankfully, there are still great companies like From Software and bunch of indie game studios, where quality takes precedence over microtransactions and rushed development. We sadly have to more carefully filter through the garbage to find the gems, but they still are there... The numbers are running lower, but they're still here...

[@tuckster27]

Couldn't agree more. Have some standards people.

[@samuelcamacho4085]

This take was gold. When the Sonic movie had a garbage looking protagonist the the internet exploded. They practically demanded better and you know what they got, a protagonist that wasn't horrifying to look at.

[@yt_nh9347]

Why is he shitty on d4 campaign though? It's MUCH better than d2 and d3 and MUCH MUCH better than the garbage PoE story which everyone has to redo on every single character for god knows what reason

[@Brook_42]

Acting Male DESTROYS Diablo Fanboys with FACTS and LOGIC

[@db_524]

And I love it

[@stayve.]

*“Let’s say, hypothetically”*

[@obijuankenobi3814]

@@stayve. "For the sake of the argument"

[@alexpenna]

Fanboys? More like diablo hellspawn

[@SouthSaxon27]

Remember though, this is the internet and those two things mean nothing to these bozos.

[@DubbleTee]

5:21 The bit about the tutorial with Iverson (5:58 and 7:24) is brilliant. Edit: Added timestamps

[@maloydonedidit2903]

The one thing I liked about the series up until 4 was feeling like a badass from the start. Sure their were a few struggles here and there and being mindful of some bosses, but it didn't ever feel like a mind numbing struggle of frustration. Playing the open beta was a nightmare. I only trudged through it until lvl 20 for the skin and hoping that it would get patched to hell and back to make it better... I see now that that is a pipe dream.

[@jjacobs4263]

IKR, I actually felt weaker as I leveled up in D4, I don't think I've ever had that experience before.

[@atillanandorfuri3343]

Some gamers are straight up in an abusive relationship with the industry... Why would you ever defend a studio that treats you like a financial asset instead of a player and a fan?

[@atillanandorfuri3343]

@@bananaphone3754 hey, some people enjoy eating dogshit. Doesn't mean it's healthy or good. I will never understand, but you do you. However, I think responsible consumers do have an obligation to call out a soulless cashgrab of a product when they see one, especially in an industry as complacent as modern gaming.

[@toribiogubert7729]

​@@bananaphone3754i think there is stuff in modern game industry that pass the "it is just a opinion" argument. One of them is why the hell I need to keep conected on a server to experience the single player main campaign? Or why Blizzard choose to release a new class that clearly could be on the base game? You may or may not enjoy the loop of the game, the seasonal reset and all that stuff, but once this stuff were secundary to a game.

[@cwj2733]

@@bananaphone3754enjoying something i don’t is fine. by all means, but when the people who make the game you’re playing actively do not give a shit about you, that doesn’t leave a sour taste in your mouth?

[@cwj2733]

@@bananaphone3754 as someone who is currently going thru AAS certificate program i certainly am doing productive things. you are the exact type of person that allows these companies to do as they please and deliver sub par products. you do not care about quality, clearly. that baffles me to no end people who think like you do.

[@CeaerCeaer]

@@bananaphone3754Just because people can enjoy a game doesn’t mean they are immune to criticism

[@fallengarden]

“No wonder the games are so bad, u guys have no fing standards whatsoever” The best sentence I’ve heard this year so far.

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

This is sadly why the industry keep producing such boring games man

[@vextin4036]

The most real sentence ever spoken

[@brutalnapkin1055]

I remember talking to my friends about D4 and D3. One of my friends said it took D3 18 months to get better so he'll wait 18 months for D4. To which I said if it took Blizzard 18 months to make D3 decent why the fuck wouldn't they learn from that instead of repeating the same mistakes.

[@goldman77700]

Not to mention, Diablo 3 came out over a decade ago. Could've just delayed it even longer.

[@SIedgeHammer83]

Thanks to the fanboys, Diablo 4 lost more than 99% of its player bases.

[@magnuswannabe4374]

There will always be fanboys out there who will defend literally anything

[@magnuswannabe4374]

@Soldier_of_the_companions Coomers exist so yes

[@Nem1606]

Because people think ActMan was way off base with his hot takes?

[@popcornfilms1]

Absolutely

[@Mrzayskates]

U not lying they blind because they sheep

[@camharkness]

See, I'll admit, I love a lot of things that are bad (like sonic forces, Pokemon shield, and the yugioh dubs) and I will still say to me they're good, but I do realize they're crap.

[@BunAndDun]

The people who say you have to go to the late game in order for it to get good are always hilarious. It's like Josh Strife Hayes says on his "Search for the worst" series. The beginning of the game is where you will lose 90% of your player base if you make it a poor experience. Doesn't matter how good the late game is if you give players a bad taste at the start, it'll drive most people away.

[@pXnTilde]

They made it for the paypigs, not for the fans

[@topdamagewizard]

I understand your comment. The problem is devs try to create a game thats everything to everyone. Instead of focusing on its strengths. But thats' games as a service for you.

[@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo]

Agreed mate me and friends are a group of 5 we played back4blood they broke it we never went back, we never went back to redfall, fallout 76 .

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

Yeah, imagine finishing tutorial before the game gets good, amiright

[@norrecvizharan1177]

⁠@@shmekelfreckles8157implying that it’s tutorial lasts 30 hours, which honestly makes the game sound even shittier as there’s no logical reason to waste that much time to begin with.

[@Moonblade64]

As a destiny 2 player. Its like us saying YOU HAVENT GOTTEN TO THE REAL GAME THE FUN PARTS!! all you need to do is pay atleast 100 dollars on dlcs, grind atleast 100 hours for decent loot and repeat the same 3 raids every week atleast once on each character! That is not fun. Its fun to me because i enjoy it but not fun in how games should play

[@seph8529]

You won me forever with the AI “practice” clip 😂🏀

[@adriancojo6671]

Props for bringing D1 Belzebub into the discussion. It s an amazing mod done by a single programmer that all these "hardcore" grinders should take a look at. The only problem with this mod that i could think of is the "ignore target defense"stat on melee weapons which pretty much renders all the other weapons that don t have this stat absolute.

[@C.A._Old]

*Blizzard is Porn Production.* *VALVE SOFTWARE ITS CHAD.*

[@Faude18]

*obsolete

[@mistywww3199]

Same thing in d2 though, grief practically makes all other melee weapons except maybe beast and last wish useless.

[@matrix255]

I'm not a fan of Belzebub. If I wanted to play D2 I would do just that. I prefer devilutionX. Is a reverse engineered port that adds widescreen support, 60 fps (and animations), bunch of bug fixes and other quality of life changes but the gameplay aspect of the game remains intact. This imho is the best way to experience vanilla D1.

[@CyberDragon10K]

I'm glad it was Belzebub that was highlighted and not The Hell. Bezelbub actually tries to maintain a consistent aesthetic to what they add (back in) to D1.

[@IamSilent121]

Him agreeing that he "deserves a bad game" for buying a blizzard game and supporting blizzard... I love this man. Shit had me wheezing! 🤣

[@chrisallen1668]

well to be fair he shits on every game and company that isnt counterstrike.

[@dogecursor5190]

@@chrisallen1668 because most new game really suck. sadly

[@chrisallen1668]

@@dogecursor5190 he even shits on the good ones tho like RDr2, poe and elden ring. He has a very close niche of games he likes so why is he reviewing outside of that. That's like someone who only likes fast food to do a European food tour review.

[@godofdeath8785]

​@@dogecursor5190facts no games to play. Except Remnant 2, as well gonna try Xcom 2 i remember i dropped it in 2016 cause couldn't finish one of first missions

[@Zelorp]

If we’re only reviewing games we like, why have game reviews at all? Ratings don’t matter at all then, give every game a 100 and call it a day since we only review games we like now.

[@joshdoodles349]

This is the Diablo fan base that Blizzard wants to market to. ''It gets better after lvl50'' - Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank.

[@charliedango2664]

I finished the campaign and got to around level 58 when I realized "Oh! I'm doing that thing where I just grind dungeons over and over again for loot like in D3". I then promptly shut the game off and started a new character in Valheim.

[@BIZaGoten]

Hell yeah, Valheim is so incredibly good.

[@gthStan]

i would argue d3 gearing was at least fun for a week or so, get your set, get the right stats, roll some stuff, get rare uniques. In d4 gearing is equivalent of having full bis uniques by level 35/40 in d3 and only replacing them with exactly same uniques that now say sacred and have slightly better numbers. Its not like youre even trying to solve best stats and character build, get items that enable you to do cool stuff with your build. i had bis eq at like 40 when i done first capstone dung i was fully decked out. and if you know the gearing breakpoints i had basically sacred items before my first capstone because of the wierd 624-625 reroll of stats breakpoints so i had like 5 items that were already better than sacred ones you could get. Gearing is a joke in d4 for anyone whos not lobotomized fanboy

[@TheActMan]

LMAO

[@kysanything4viewskms327]

Or Tarkov lol

[@zobanz]

This what diablo is :D.Evry arpg is grindy wtf is wron with you bro.

[@InhalingCyanide]

Im so glad you posted these videos before the new patch notes. It went from people disagreeing to agreeing REAL QUICK

[@jackcanox4015]

God...wtf happened with the patch

[@ruily276]

@@Shizlgizl So you are saying you need to wait 3 years for the game to be playable? That's a clown take right there.

[@PropsOutProductions]

@@ruily276No, they’re making a joke that went so far over your head I wonder if the last time you went outside and spoke to a real human predates D1

[@estebandeloso]

​@@ruily276woosh

[@exquisitedoomlapointe185]

@@jackcanox4015 the patch is fine, people complain to complain and flat out have no idea what the vision is and don't care about game balance/design. I like the patch, it added new builds and my nerfed main is still too strong. People need to accept that broken shit is gonna get fixed which is 90% of the complaints "boohoo i cant boost" "boohoo my hota doesnt one shot everything anymore" its almost like they thought the game balance was supposed to be around clearing t80 dungeons on release without a hitch.

[@shhewp8472]

BTW your content is great and your takes are pretty much air tight, even the stuff you critique hard that I still enjoy i'm like, "fair". I found you from your FO new vegas video, man that one was so fun. keep up the good work!

[@OnyArt]

Extremely happy Act man came across the Belzebub mod. Now that amazing remaster of D1 can get more exposure.

[@Lonewanderer30]

The problem Act Man, is you're dealing with those with addictive personalities. They're addicted to the 'quest' for better loot. They know the 'game' is awful, but they can't help themselves, they must get bigger numbers!

[@AspieMemoires]

It’s the basic essence of gambling. 😅

[@ZarathosDaimaoh]

Hilariously the game barely got loot variety at all . Not as many suffix on item as you'd expect , not that many armor and item variations even for looks . Most of the unique are trash outfitted with very situational powers , letting people hoard them hoping that some cheese build combination will make it relevant (instead everyone aims for the same uniques for each classes) . Even the tier among items makes no sense ... the narrow gap between sacred and ancestral item is off and weird . We are mostly farming for better substats % on mostly subpar items , or hoping for another drop of the same uniques with better % .

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Nail on the head.

[@wallywest4727]

Got to love it when neckbeards say stuff like its an objective fact. Just because you and the KZbinr you like share an opinion doesn't mean its fact. Honestly Diablo fanboys/haters are some of the most toxic gamers out there.

[@TheCubanGeneral]

Destiny 2 is my crack, I hate the game but I cant stop

[@owangejewice]

I agree man, i bought this game alongside 3 of my friends. I tried to get to the end of the campaign but my friends wanted to rush so that they could start playing on endgame stuff. We skipped cutscenes. We skipped dialogs. I was pressured into warping past entire regions because someone else had already beaten it while i was at work. I was constantly criticized about my necromancer build because i summoned things and didn't just spam bone spears. Then we got to the endgame content and they were like yeah, you gotta get to world tier 10 before it gets good. Fuck this game.

[@randomguy6679]

And screw your friends, they sound like salty players.

[@joedumas1047]

tbh ur friends sounds pretty cringe. If u play as a groul wait for the others man

[@bruticus1496]

Can’t even play this shit cuz I start dozing off

[@goldsocks9999]

I'm sorry man that sounds like the worst gaming experience anyone could have

[@SobiTheRobot]

Like what's even the point if you just skip through everything? You're not playing the game, you're *skipping* it.

[@ustuna.567]

The funny part is campaign is the only thing worth playing in d4 rn

[@angelbbva3135]

Wait you have to make a new character to access the seasonal rewards?? So I can’t use my character I leveled before any of the seasons started? wtf

[@Draklomesh]

It's always a good day when the Act Man not only posts, but brings has a throwback epsiode. At this rate, I think a series like this should be made.

[@playboydojo]

The "it gets good after an unreasonable investment of time" defense is one I also see a lot with MMOs. There's just this weird attitude in some genres that the first 100 hours or so is just part of the price you pay to get to the fun part at the end. I remember being confused by people who would tell me "Final Fantasy 13 actually starts getting pretty good 10-15 hours in," and at the time I couldn't imagine putting that much time into something to get to the good part. Now people really act like it's reasonable to make the first 100 hours tedious just to load all the interesting stuff at the end game, I suppose?

[@StepBroAF]

Yea, that price is called sunk cost and it psychologically makes people justify continue playing. Remember the good ol days when good games started out GOOD and only got more awesome the more you played it?

[@Bloodlust1138]

I can confirm that FF13 after 10-15 hours is still hot garbage. You finally get out of a seemingly endless corridor by finishing the campaign. The world opens up and then glaring issues with the Paradigm system make the game pretty much unplayable when it comes to certain hunts. So… Yeah, I did that so you don’t have to. FF13 is, and always has been, trash.

[@steveozone4910]

FF13 got good?

[@BigWheel.]

I think that concept is so stupid because you're basically asking players to invest a bunch of time grinding before they're even supposed to have fun. People will literally RUN to the endgame in diablo, borderlands, etc. And then complain about the endgame as if they didn't just cannonball run through 90% of the content while attempting to enjoy none of it.

[@radicalcentrist4990]

And there are some people that say why is there so much hate for FF13 when 10 was also linear but people somehow love that and not 13. And I'm like bro, FF10 had actual content in it, interactions with the world and NPC's, secrets to discover, side missions, minigames etc. FF13 really is just a fucking empty corridor.

[@catlovingtrio]

The people defending this game aren't Diablo fanboys. It's being defending by Blizzard fanboys.

[@edwardconner3335]

I love that some asshole in blizzard said that Lilith is the most beautiful creature in all creation in D3 and no one seems to remember at all. Just saying if this thing is what inarious found beautiful then perhaps his brothers had a point killing him.

[@jerekheadrick3379]

It's truly incredible how someone will say "you didn't even play the real game" 30 hours into it. Like, why does the game have a bad 30 hour prologue then? And why would I put myself through that to play anything?

[@maxentirunos]

The only game I can think of that is like that is Final Fantasy 13, which give you new tutorial until you litterally reach 60% of the game. And it's known to be one of the most divisive game of the series

[@sparkeykills1]

I feel this way about FF14. Everytime my GF asks me to play with her and make a character. I've tried to play it. Got to level 60 and said "when does the game start?" And apparently the answer was another 40 hrs of random useless story quests that I was just skipping through at the 30 hr mark because the story just wasn't interesting at all.

[@KeaneKamina]

To clarify, the people that say "you didn't play the real game until endgame" are the people telling you "Hey Diablo was LITERALLY designed to be SUPER casual friendly and the devs said so themselves. Since the difficulty increases the more you play, it only makes sense that the longer you play, the higher challenge you face. If the whole campaign was too easy then you haven't gone far enough AND after 1 single playthrough, if you don't want to play the campaign again, you.can skip it to get to the harder content a LOT faster FOREVER. Do I personally want a difficulty bump or even a way to play the campaign on a harder setting? Sure, someone that has put in tons of time in ARPGs I would be happy and that could even come later. But to misunderstand how a game is designed and explicitly told how it was designed and then bitch about the design and never try to experience the endgame, yes, it's pretty dumb AF.

[@derrickmeade4891]

​@@KeaneKaminaso it's still a shifty 30+ hour tutorial that's like saying you need to watch the first 12 seasons of a show before it gets good

[@almas4663]

@@derrickmeade4891 To get to the good stuff in Gumball or Avatar - you must sit through pretty mid first seasons before it actually becomes good. In Adventure time it takes two seasons to get good

[@kaptainkooter2285]

It is truly sad day as Robdfar a wonderful member of our community and great friend, get consumed into that terrible trap. R.I.P in memory Robdfar.😭💔

[@TheActMan]

Let us have a moment of silence for our fallen comrade 😞

[@senatorarmstrong4662]

Everyone press F to pay respects.😔

[@riktorrag6980]

@@senatorarmstrong4662 F

[@Master_J2375]

​@@senatorarmstrong4662F

[@Aut0nym0us]

Me: hears "NOoooo" wait what's so terrible with that take. It can't be that dramatic..... Also me: hears "Overwatch 2" OH SHIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@FoldingTeaLeaves]

>Was D3's story that bad? Well, an evil purple butterfly unceremoniously kills Deckard Cain right in front of you. Yeah, it was pretty damn bad

[@Xth3Z]

People who defend Diablo 4 must be very young, as they most likely never played a solid game like Diablo 1 and 2, Titan Quest, Star Wars KOTOR or Baldurs Gate and the list goes on and on. Notice that those games are all very old but still standards for good games in this day and age. It seems that most modern games aren't created by developers who love gaming and are only interested in squeezing every penny possible out of the players. The quality of the games really suffers under such circumstances. The last really great game I've played was Red Dead Redemption 2, but over 80% of the other games that came out in the last 10 years seem very uninteresting.

[@zarthemad8386]

sadly..... they are whales using mommy and daddies money ..... while still living at home... at 44 years old.

[@firefly5677]

One of my favorite Diablo content creators, MrLlamaSc, reacted to your original video and agreed with most of your points. It's kind of funny how a hardcore Diablo player and someone who plays a bunch of different video games can both feel like Diablo 4 wasn't made for them. The worst part of D4 for me is the itemization mixed with the level scaling. It's crazy that D2 is over 20 years old and has better story, itemization, skills, difficulty, and replayability

[@snuffeldjuret]

the idea that the campaign should not be played over and over again is wild to me.

[@_Nemesis23_]

@@snuffeldjuret See, because why? Why would I want that, that to me for example makes no sense and replaying a game has no enhanced value for me for example. I like other aRPGs for this exact reason. Farm, enhance your gear, make it perfect, enjoy the way towards perfecting it with the grind and just mindlessly farm more (for a few reasons,, some even related to real life). For this reason I played witcher 3 once. I played it for 150 hours and massively enjoyed it, sure. But I would never play it again cause the story is told (except for a few options here and there and different endings probably that I would never see cause I still would choose the same dialogue).

[@snuffeldjuret]

@@_Nemesis23_ you would want that because the story is just an added bonus on top of the game play. It also makes you connect more to the characters and the story, creating a better build up for the next game. Ask yourself why these unique items in the games keeps reoccurring over and over again.

[@jamesoakley4570]

@snuffeldjuret well its optional. if you want to replay the campaign again then you can. if you want to skip the campaign then you can.

[@Legion849]

@@snuffeldjuret Not everyone has the time for that. I beat a game once and then I move on to the next one, the story has been told there's nothing left to see. This idea that someone needs to replay the game over and over is something only no lifers will agree with

[@bluezephyrus3294]

Imagine being told that you have to watch 30 hours of a TV series to get to the good point. I think it was Josh Strife Hayes who pointed out that you shouldn’t have to dig thru an entire game just to get to the good point, rather it should come within the first two hours of play.

[@cantflyforshit]

Yeah Josh made some really good points on that video that you mentioned.

[@camilohiche4475]

Imagine if you went to a restaurant and they served you turds for the appetizer and the main course, and when you complained about it they replied to you "how can you even critizise, you haven't experienced the restaurant yet, the dessert is the real good part". Imagine if you bought a music album and the first 15 tracks were nothing but dull static or awful music that you can't skip, and only after those unskippable tracks you were allowed to listen to the "actual" good music tracks...

[@DTPandemonium]

​@@camilohiche4475You can't appreciate how good the food is if you don't experience the 💩 first!

[@TheAndrzejPan]

Well i know 1 example-one piece :D otherwise i do agree with him

[@TheRealUcanUwill]

I havent played the game, I have heard good reviews and I have seen AM's videos, main reason why I didnt buy it was lavel scaling, I feared everything Act Man said this game would be, if leveling is uselless, what is the point of DIablo game, its a freaking joke IMO. But as Acm Man himself said, we are basically not the target audience, so wahtever. I myself do not care for multiplayer elements nor the end game. TIll this day I am not sure what endgame even mean, like in my brain, I play the game, I finished the story, thats it... But apparently now players care to grind through a story and THEN game opens, what is it even, storyless game events like its fun part featuring other players? As I said, I just dont get it. F BLIZZARD, I wont even try this game, maybe its good, but as I said, I sensed my opinion would mirror ACT MAN, good if people like the game however, but ts clearly not for me nor the Act man, people who liked single player story and leveling driven RPGs....

[@JimmyBeamerBear]

When the cut scene you inserted said, “Are you HIGH right now??” I was baked with headphones in. It tripped me out bad thinking somebody said it in my ear.

[@DPXSolo]

"You still bought and supported Blizzard. You deserve a bad game." I low key kinda agree

[@abysssignal4295]

Imagine playing video games for fun without goblins needing to tell you that your opinion is wrong.

[@ayanithtalreign]

People that play shitty games should stop and play something better.

[@cirescythe]

Which side of the argument do you mean?

[@awildmoose6541]

yeah, i get that blizzard bad but we have to give them props when they do something good if we shit on them when they fuck up

[@fairlywren3664]

@@cirescythe Both, probably.

[@Dingusdongus257]

Your opinion is opinion.

[@TravisH-nm9fy]

My biggest issue with D4 is how gimmicky and conditional everything is. Damage to close, damage to distant, damage to injured, damaged to healthy, damage to crowd controlled, damage to slowed, damage to vulnerable. Like none of these affixes are fun or interesting at all, they are just gimmicky and confusing for the sake of being confusing.

[@qwerfa]

That's one of my main complaints. Itemization is occult at best. Maliciously un-intuitive at worst. There's no reason for all the damage buckets to work the way they do without an in-game indication of how calculation works. It *feels* like they are artificially trying to make characters weaker by making people confused. And then they add things like vulnerable and damage to vulnerable and make it a god stat on any single build by giving it its own bucket on top of being already strong. Then you have the occultists, where rerolls are made to make you trash great yellows one after the other because you couldn't get the stats you wanted, since you only get two choices (plus keeping the old roll), you can't see what stat can actually roll, there is a stat bias on some items, and some stats are locked behind specific classes for no apparent reason.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

I dont like how its intentionally obfuscating for the player... what does "distant" mean? Well according to blizzard, it means out of melee range... close? Means in melee range... are these explained in a tool tip? No, i only know because of a random loading screen tip... But by far the worst offender is the damn story and the writers.

[@qwerfa]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Story was pretty good in my opinion until SPOILERS BELOW . . . . Our character decides to trust a fucking prime evil over the demon who's been trying to at least give a fighting chance to the world and literally tells you that she will give you both power, and the chance to let the world raise powerful people in a less "let the strong survive" kind of way. If your character is thinking of the lesser of two evil, maybe the freaking prime evil isn't that. It is so, so dumb. I hate that they force that decision onto the character.

[@TheVillainInGlasses]

@@qwerfa Spoilers below - - - - - - Ehh, I sort of agree with you but also don't? Lilith isn't *wrong* , it's just that her methods are making her just as much of a threat as the Prime Evils. It's less "lesser of two evils" and more dealing with the *immediate* threat first. Mephy boy can be dealt with later, but if Lilith gets her way Sanctuary goes to shit before we would get the chance.

[@douglatins]

​@@qwerfathe dude was killed by a pillar in the end I was what? Also just let the chick make the decision and go along with it? It was awful.

[@ChrisTedoni]

Gonna be square with you. Like the tutorial mission for Avengers, you experienced the game and all it has to offer. The higher world tiers, the rinse and repeat dungeons, the world bosses/legion events, all of it, don’t enhance the experience or give you anything more than what you’ve done.

[@ratman505]

13:41 - "Go experience that and then we talk about gatekeeping" is a line I definitely need on a sound board xD

The problem with "modern gamers" is that they are used to shallow games. They don't like to read lore, to read cool and important dialogues and that kind of stuff that makes a good RPG, just like D2, Persona 5, Final Fantasy and so on. Because of these shallow gamers that we have games like Forspoken and a bunch of games that are uninteresting. Cheers from Brazil!

[@Red_Steampunker]

Love how he just missed Blizz coming out and saying “we cant have a big stash like the D1 mod does, we’d have to render each and every player’s stash even though you cant see others unless you trade. We would lag!” Literal incompetence.

[@Vallarok117]

I'm sure when they figure out a 20 year old solution to that problem they'll sell it to the players for a monthly fee like Fallout 76 and ESO do.

[@Red_Steampunker]

@@Vallarok117 dude I played 76 with friends recently and we wanted to build bases close together. You literally cant be close at all. We proceeded to say, “imagine having fun” whenever we had something annoying happen after that. Still do, imagine.

[@SammEater]

Reminds me of the Overwatch 2 dev stream where they said that "we can't make the game we promised because it's too hard".

[@udalix]

We can't make the game we promised cause our financial experts have told us we wont make enough money.@@SammEater

[@WouterLockefeer]

In fairness, they didn't talk about rendering the items, but loading their data (which stresses the server). That's a completely different thing. But I agree that it's bullshit that they can't make this work.

[@shawnfarmer2941]

love you act i dont even be on youtube like that much anymore. but u and ur vides r awesome.

[@TheKafi107]

18:40 Baldur's Gate 3 entered the chat

[@TRIARII-vs2kl]

Seriously didnt expect to get so interested in an internet drama about a game i never played 😂

[@darknightmike10yearsago]

Haha, same.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

same here. I was kind of thinking about buying it. After seeing it's $70 for the BASE GAME and all these issues, no way. I will enjoy this show though.

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

@@eventydefallacy8464and yet ur here. Why arent u at the gym bro?

[@megalonoobiacinc4863]

@@IWantToStayAtYourHouse muscles need time to recover before they get stronger you know!

[@davethelich]

"Was the d3 campaign THAT bad?" Yes. Yes it was.

[@spookzer16]

I personally really like the campaign from a gameplay standpoint, but yeah the story is utterly garbage. And that's coming from someone who loves the game.

[@greg8597497]

At least I knew the blacksmiths name lol

[@Bosston62]

It had some good moments but I feel like it was wasted on a game no one cares for. Especially Deckards death, to kill him off in the FIRST act was such a damn disservice to the franchise, I’m not against killing off characters but god damn that shit was wasted

[@knellhurst]

I think the cinematics in D3 were gorgeous. Maybe it's just been several years since I watched them and so I have rosy goggles on for them, but... to this day, I have rarely seen anything that can compare to how great those cinematics looked. The lighting and textures were next level, is what I'm saying; the tech aspect of it. Cinematics in D4 are much, much worse. So far, only the intro cutscene has great lighting and textures. The rest just use the game's graphics... so far. (Also, I'm the only person I play the game with that actually wants to listen to the story. Everyone else, including other usual story enjoyers, are skipping through everything but the biggest scenes. So they have no idea what's going on and I have to explain.)

[@madmonkeysam5755]

the dlc for the campaign was even worse

[@kittkitsune]

I've always hated the "Endgame is the actual game" Mentality.

[@Dawnarow]

Goddam thats amazing. I had a blast watching your vid man. Thank you.