The Best Gaming Mouse Is Painfully Boring

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[@mattyow777]

While I do love my GPX Gen1 as my absolute endgame mouse (I actually cannot perform at my best using any other mouse), I am also seeing the lack of creativity in the gaming mouse market. Something I really liked though about my Xtrfy M42 mouse is the removable back hump. I think mouse companies should start adopting this format and give more options for shapes by having easily swappable parts. It also would be interesting to experiment with weirder mouse shapes like the Gwolves HSK Pro, which has no back hump. As for the GPX skates, I personally can't quite say anymore that it's good enough. I feel like you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not swapping them with at least standard corepads or tiger ice skates. Your point about mousepads now having a bigger impact on your performance is definitely true especially when considering different mouse skate to mousepad combinations. I'd love to hear your opinions on some of Artisan's faster mousepads, like the Raiden and Shidenkai.

[@ayda2876]

hello Matty what are your thoughts on the aqua control 2 ?

[@mattyow777]

@@ayda2876 Have not tried.

[@itsyaboi8904]

@mattyow777, what aftermarket skates is good for an artisan otsu xsoft? using a sl12 if it matters

[@999spot5]

i feel like last couple years mice are cutting so many corners and only focusing on sensor, weight, latency. what results is a technically more advanced product, but a worse user experience

[@comkioxd]

@@itsyaboi8904 doesn't really matter but if you want the fastest and smoothest go for XrayPad Jade Dots or Donuts

[@seonis]

Mice have hit a golden age, however I do agree that the chase for the lowest weight and latency is not the way to go. Definitely something innovative has to happen to aiming inputs

[@Bardolo]

we need innovation!

[@Masoch1st]

Low weight and latency are objectively the way to go. It's just expected now so it's not enough... but you'd be an idiot if you wanted heavier mice with higher latency

[@seonis]

@@Masoch1st it's not about not wanting lighter and faster mice, but the lack of aforementioned innovation. The most we've had was using magnesium instead of plastic and the push towards safer & safer shapes.

[@Masoch1st]

wtf do you want lmao. 4k polling came out. its a mouse bro. we play fps games, its for aiming. simple as that.@@seonis

[@xczaru]

We want something more than a mouse. Something new, mice are already reaching the end of their potential.

[@Bl9ckout]

Can we get a mousepad tier list or a favourite list? I’d love to get your opinion on this. Great video, I’ve felt the same way about mice for a while.

[@Bardolo]

coming soon for sure!

[@unsafehouse]

Could it be :) 1. Artisan Zero 2. Artisan Zero 3. Artisan Zero

[@FabianKXF]

1. TheWhale x LaOnda Pelz 2. TheWhale x LaOnda Rizz 3. Artisan Hien 4. Artisan Zero 5. TheWhale x LaOnda Glaze @@unsafehouse

[@9RepeatingMonkeys]

imagine an aiming glove, built using mouse hardware like sense, skates etc but the casing has slots for all your fingers and your hand can lay almost flat on the mousepad

[@dodique]

I`m done with this mouses and pads,just waiting for brain implant that give me godlike aim.

[@Bardolo]

EYE TRACKING???

[@ProfShibe]

A guy already has that with neuralink. He played civ 6 with his mind for 8 hours straight. I need to see him aim train lmfao

[@HellSpawnRulerOfHell]

~9x18 hands I'm currently using an MZ1 with a modded in thumb "sniper button". I love the GPW ambi button layout. I rewired and moved the underside DPI button to a sniper button, and used the right front side button for in game actions/abilities. (The Finals grab button) I don't get the GPX. It's supposed to be a safe. But it's way to rounded and way to wide that it feels really awkward to use. I even have troubles with the X2V2/X2A being to wide. The GPX is "heavy" for me. I got my OG GPW to 48 grams. :p I absolutely notice the jump even from 30-20. The jump from 40-20 is blatant IMO. Most games work fine on 8K. 🤔 Tho some don't. The difference between 540 and 360 is pretty decent. Not everything is about latency : )

[@murraymcm1]

Computer mice are a mature technology. So long as a mouse is essentially a slab/potato with buttons, The best we will get is iteration. Real evolution will happen when we rethink what a mouse is. A couple of sensors that map the hand or tip of a stylus in 3d space would be cool.

[@Zenoelevi]

Need more ergonomically accurate shapes like vertical mice or move away from mouse shapes completely and incorporate pen-tablets already.

[@evanderholyfeels]

Love how you articulate your thoughts on the subject, very helpful.

[@jibbs_aim]

14:00 Rocket Jump Ninja made a great video about using pens for aiming if you haven't watched yet. Struth Gaming is another channel looking into shapes and inputs for aiming, and I would recommend trying out his angled mouse grips if you haven't before. Even if they don't make a big difference it is at least an attempt at innovation in more than just weight and Hz.

[@spdycs]

Love this video. I think many mice enthusiasts need to hear what you said about 360/540 and 1000/2000 hz monitors and mice

[@Terra101]

I have found sensor positioning is crucial for the mouse to feel correct. I am sure that's why you perform better on the GPX even tho the shape is worse than the Harpe. The Harpe sensor sits a tiny bit too low. Or else I would main it. But I'm also stuck with the GPX, because of the perfect sensor placement. Edit: Most shapes are really horrible too. You need a mix of things that helps you stabilize your grip, most mice have some of them, but lack others that makes them really uncomfortable in the end. I think you need slightly different shaped mice depending on what grip you want to use, but you can also make a good mouse for most grips, that doesn't suck for all of them, like the GPX. I wish I had the money and know how to design a mouse from the ground up, after years of nerding out analyzing shapes etc I have several shapes in mind that I'm sure people would like.

[@JL-on5bn]

this was an excellent analysis as always - and i'm happy to see new videos. thank you. @Bardolo , would you please consider a posture-related video? I'm very interested to know your preference with monitor position (tilt?) relative to your eyes , distance from your eyes , desk height relative to your arms , mousepad location relative to your monitor , etc ... i always appreciate your thoughts on achieving your best personal-performance. thanks again.

[@Bardolo]

Cool idea! I’ll definitely make a video about that!

[@tobitube4301]

lmao "wrong side lol" I really appreciate your content! ❤

[@laceup7285]

I agree Bardoz, the only features we really get on a mice now is new polling rate, raw mouse accel, angle snapping, or just using no raw mouse accel or angle snapping

[@zaku8620]

It's a lot of trial and error to find the right shape. I finally settled on HTS+ after a lot of asking "how would I make my current mouse better for me?". I can't think of a single thing I could improve about the mouse besides stealing EndgameGear's coating. I agree that brute forcing raw performance isn't the way forward for input. I think something like a trackIR+eyetracker combo or some sort of VR single hand tracker style controller would obsolete mice completely. I think progress can be made from VR since they can really experiment and refine 3D tracking input devices that could be adapted to non-VR games

[@caniseeyourbody]

Gyro aim definitely makes controllers viable for FPS games without aim assist by the way! But great video, very interesting topic

[@asdkjfhaklhzvkl]

If you're still reading the comments, I would be very interested in a video about mousepads/why you should experiment with mousepads.

[@izemes]

Bardoz I agree 101% with you!

[@Zystics]

I just realized that you’re now back. So yeah I’m happy and congrats to your wedding. In my opinion swapping my keyboard recently was a bigger jump (I got a Wooting 60HE, I used before a Ducky Mini 2 ) than swapping my mice or monitors. Maybe you could try it.

[@drawde3972]

Maybe you should reach out to Xander, over at Vaxee now. Dude's made some of the most influential mouse shapes ever, so he has to have gotten some things right. I also unironically think desk height and chair ergonomics have a bigger impact in longer sessions. We waggle and regrip our mouse all the time, between rounds/deaths, relieving tension in doing so. But think about the weight our spine/muscles need to support and maintain when being stationary for so long. The further up we go, the more nerves add up as you work your way through the shoulder, arm, hand, and eventually the mouse sensor.

[@nagi859]

Well, there's the Pwnage with the Stormbreaker that let you change the sensor's position but I don't think we can call it a big jump; it's like most of mice companies are going just to reduce weight and call it a day, shapes are getting closer each other and new companies don't even try to create something "different". I remember Roccat doing something different with the Kone Pro Air, just a thumb rest, but it was a try you know, but if I see new companies like Lamzu, appeared out of nowhere, all I see is the same old shapes: Thorn is a simple ergo mouse, Maya is a potato shape most likely, Atlantis is a XM1r most likely, I mean, I would like to try something innovative too. It's like Logitech broke the market ahah Glad to see you back!

[@Katze822228]

Last time I upgraded my mouse it did really feel like a big generational leap. That was from the g403 to the dav3 wired. The dav3 just feels so much more responsive and smooth. And it's not just the weight, i reduced the weight of my g403 in an attempt to make it feel as good as the dav3 but it just feels so much worse and I aim worse with it, too despite prefering the shape for a long time. But yeah the gpx to gpx 2 doesn't seem like a big step at least on paper, I haven't tried either. It really shows how ahead of it's time the gpx 1 was. Mousepads on the other hand have gotten kinda boring to me because I already tried most types of mousepads and most mousepads are just clones of existing ones. Also I found out that I prefer glass over cloth. Glass is just so much more convinient and consistent, you just wipe it down and the pad is exactly the same as the day you bought it. But I do love experimenting with mouse feet. You can for example turn a skypad into a control pad if you use a higher friction plastic for the glides like PVC. And some skates are completely smooth while others have some feedback in the form of sound and vibrations. At first i prefered smooth skates like core pads because they feel nice and are very quiet but after trying the obsidian dots for a while now which are a bit harder and rougher i prefer them because I can feel and hear how fast I move my mouse and even though that's kinda unpleasant it actually really helps me with aiming.

[@tenogg]

I think the way to go is to improve the switches (we dont know for sure if the optical ones are really free from double clicks) and the battery. But thats it. The weight is not the way, agree

[@EnnTomi1]

the jump from 55 to 38 gram is massive for me, it is heavily depend on the game too, long TTK game benefit from light mouse more due to more tracking is needed. for low ttk game, i guess shape is everything.

[@comkioxd]

mousepad and sensitivity will affect high ttk more than weight

[@EnnTomi1]

absolutely wrong@@comkioxd weight shape is always the top 2, then the pad then the skates.

[@Rudi-Brudi]

For me a lower weight mouse makes a bigger difference when using fingertip grip. If i would palm the difference would be much smaller.

[@aj2734]

the ulx is insane i have gpx2 as well

[@XsMakeYouCoolX]

pen would be cool but probably feel bad for long periods of time. sensor location in FINGER on glasspad is future.

[@TwistedSquid741]

You said you would recommend the gpx to pretty much anyone unless they had an extreme fingertip grip, curious what you would recommend someone if they had such a grip. Great video by the way, definitely something that mouse creators should consider.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

In terms of your plateau comments, I 100% agree. While it's a fun hobby to be in and try new products if you have the funds to do so... In terms of actual improvements to mice it's negligible at this point. We have 8k , we have 35g mice, we have carbon fiber and magnesium... There really isn't any avenue to make a big leap with a mouse. Shape is king tho and I wholly recommend anyone slightly serious about fps gameplay to not just buy a GPX and take some time to experiment with other shapes. It'll net you far better returns than anything. Maybe the GPX is an endgame shape for you, that's ok. But take the chance to experiment first. One last point on the plateau. Their are companies experimenting with weird shapes and custom molds etc. but again this goes back to shape being the deciding factor not the tech inside anymore.

[@crizzlevideos]

It might be the best for you, but the superlight gave me RSI due to lack of support on the index finger and stiff clicks. It also has squishy side buttons and performed worse than my new main. Your hand size and grip play a huge role in the right mouse for you. I play relaxed claw and personally I perform better with an ergo zowie type shape.

[@user-sl5jx4qu9b]

I was thinking about better device than current mouses for the last 10 years. I have idea but I don't know how patents work.

[@ticdcs2556]

The logical next progression for gaming mice tech is holographic mice

[@b4g4b3l]

till 4 years ago, i only had Logitech mouses, more then 6, ALL of them after some time had double click problems... since then i got xtrfy m4 that i have for like 4 years, and use daily, i will change it this year because i want something wireless but i dont even look in the direction of logitech mouses, they are sht ! VGN VXE Dragonfly R1 PRO ftw !

[@ayda2876]

you made great points i think we could see something very different in a few years maybe some kind of weird pen

[@LilsniperMf]

I have been saying for a while that the mouse market needs more experimental shapes, currently theres rarely ever a mouse that isnt a complete clone/ heavily inspired by an already made shape. I enjoy alot of features of certain shapes but they never are combined for some reason, it leaves me wanting more out of a mouse even though they are "completely fine". The lack of varience makes it so theres not really a point in trying shapes, because once you tried the around four shapes (typically inspired by zowie series shapes) you have tried all mice, I own like 23 mice and out of all of them the only unique ones are ftip mice, because they are playing with the formfactor and honestly take away a part of the mouse that isnt always needed (the hump), I think that there should be a push to shorter shapes, kinda like how keyboards are , 85%,75%,65% shaped mice or something like that, I can believe you can still have a palm/claw oriented shape with less of a mouse, and with the smaller form factor you can really push out a truly innovative shape. Also, as someone who frequently uses drawing tablet for art and photoshop, i don't really think it would be that comfortable using the pen for more than a couple hours at a time, i think that the mouse beats it when it comes to ergonomics, maybe a bridge between the dexterity that using a pen gives and the comfortablity of a mouse may be a better input. I often think people sleep on mouse skates as well as mousepads, a 87g mouse with a good set of skates on a pad that complements that can feel better than a 37g mouse with a bad set of skates and pad that doesnt work well with it. I think the push toward using other things as skates is nice, ptfe isnt the final thing i dont think, glass, ceramic,sapphire,plastic,cloth,metal, nylon, and what ever other materials can be usable and provide a completely new experience while using a mouse, the mouse skate pairing 100% depends on what mousepad you are using though. Overall, there is innovation missing in alot of fields regarding perphirals.

[@oWavy]

This video was great, good points and info thanks bro

[@xamt0n]

Have you tried a fingertip mouse like the Gwolves HSK+? I tried the HSK+ and it felt really weird at first, but i surpassed my old high scores of the gpx in about 2 weeks. As a tall person i wish there where more fingertip mice like these, without a hump for people with large hands.

[@Bardolo]

I have the m1k and m2k, the cable probably holds me back on them, I definitely need to give fingertip more of a try over time to have a better opinion

[@HaloDaycare]

Interesting video. Can you do a review on the AX? Also, I think using a shape that you actually enjoy over using what is considered the best is a good idea. Which is exactly what you said. I remember you always liked the ZA, so maybe just go back to that?

[@handicapschoner2654]

next step is clearly the razer floating mouse

[@Raveehh]

waiting for that outset ax wireless review :p loving mine

[@scorafps]

you should try out the ragnok gaming mouse which is wireless but shaped like a gun handle

[@RED212]

Next big step is a mouse that can mold to your hand or something along those lines.

[@d6go56]

try the sprime pm1, looks like a gpx but ergo shape. also 45g and will be able to support 8k hz in the future.

[@rivereatr]

loving the new content bard! keep it up

[@oaosyren]

No latency low dpi would be a nice jump, like 400dpi with the latency of 1600dpi

[@Katze822228]

That would literally be impossible lol If you tell the mouse to only register movemet every 1/400 inch (which is what 400 DPI does) there will always be a higher delay between updates than if you tell the mouse to register movement more often (which is what higher DPI would do). Anything else would be logically impossible. What you're asking for is high DPI but labeled as low DPI. And in case you want the feel of low DPI for 2D cursor movements and high DPI for 3D crosshair movements (so that the mouse needs to travel less distance to send a position update which results in lower latency) you can achive that easily. You just have to set a lower windows sens, a lower ingame sens and a higher DPI. If you set windows sens to 1/4 and use 1600 DPI with 1/4x ingame sens it'll feel like 400 DPI on the desktop an in game menus but you'll get the benefit of lower time between position updates and higher smoothness from 1600 DPI.

[@mattiass1]

someone saying g pro superlight stock skates are good enough should not be talking about mice

[@Bardolo]

all of my world records with the gpx were with stock skates. I got radiant with stock skates too. Tried corepads, felt slightly better but in no way shape or form as important as most people claim it, and you have to deal with the pain in the ass of ordering new skates, removing yours, possibly using hot air to remove them cleanly, possibly using alcohol wipes to remove the glue, then making sure you properly put the skates etc. if you actually listened you'd hear that I said that for basically everyone I wouldn't recommend changing them, and I stick by it. Maybe try building an actual argument against my point instead of being toxic?

[@mattiass1]

@@Bardolo there is no argument you are just wrong on many pads stock skates are way to thin and bottom of the mouse digs in aftermarket skates are cheap and saying its a pain to replace them is like saying you are disabled

[@officialteamroc]

Azeron is doing amazing stuff!!! Atleast there doing stuff different

[@Onnie]

There’s a weird mouse called Dink trackstar you could try if bored

[@freidmaen]

YES mousepad video plz

[@gio1135]

the thumbnail look like it hurt

[@Bardolo]

It does

[@ayda2876]

i would love a video about mousepads yes and have you tried the GSR 2 ?

[@9core]

try the trackstar custom mouse if u can. l have to agree unless someone is using pure fingertip i would suggest gpx despite me using a different mouse i basically perform the same on superlight and this took me like 20 mice to find the perfect shape. unless they have small hands in which case i would suggest they should get a gpx mini (hts+). i do think mm720 shape is also worth a shot though the shape is really interesting.

[@imao2104]

can someoneplz tell bardoz sensitiity for aimlabs and valorant and kovaaks

[@vexmj1404]

What's your mouse grip style?

[@cringekid69]

what monitor you currently using?

[@Nectarina4]

Did you try de xtrfy Mz1 wireless? Its kinda a really diferent shape of the usual shapes of mouse out on the market this days.

[@VainFriggus]

While the GPX & GPX2 are definitely not the best, it is the most well rounded (pun intended) for gamers of almost any type of game.

[@Bacon-qf4ql]

The shape is the worst problem for me, I mean I would much rather have a fatter mouse

[@user-si8pq6zn9b]

@bardOZ nice to See you again. I missed your content. Can you maybe Tell me on Which sens do you currently Play Valorant Right now? Ty allot. Hope to See more from you in See Future again.

[@TrolleLOL]

I see that you have the Outset there in your tabs, how did that one perform?

[@purple1703]

Hey bardoz, in your mouse grip, does the beginning part of your palm rest on the mouse or is it only fingers that have contact with the mouse?

[@kdufhhyaiofhnasjklvn]

is there any way i could get my hands on the aimlabs tshirt?

[@DivinezTV]

give me a G303 Superlight and ill be happy.

[@999spot5]

excellent vid and analysis!

[@garlozs]

CIAO i missed you what is your sens on valo/the finals?

[@Bardolo]

37cm the finals, 61.2cm in valo!

[@ayda2876]

wait you think the current market is boring ?? in 2023 so many great mice came out idk what else you expect, i think they made great products all year. I was most impressed by dragonfly since it was so cheap yet so good

[@Hassan1998QQ]

Do you have any advice for someone plays low sense on tactical fps 60cm/360 (VALORANT, CS2) and feels stuck with it on fast pace games like OW2, Apex, and the finals? Much appreciated

[@Bardolo]

Personally, I have fun sticking to the low sens even on fast games for the memes, but all the clips from the finals in this video, I played with 20 or 27 or 37cm, so in general I switch sensitivity for those games

[@lollissimo37]

Stavo pensando a un mouse di un materiale modellabile per adattarlo alle esigenze al grip, ma vedo che i taiwanesi hanno gia ideato questo concept acciderbolina xD

[@cuda4755]

what do you think about lamzu maya

[@Bardolo]

I'm getting one very very soon so I'll probably review it and bardscore it!

[@cuda4755]

@@Bardolo ah okay beacuse i dont really know if i should get gwolves htx ace or lamzu maya so ill just wait for your review on maya :)

[@Ruuben1337]

bardOZ my king

[@sorss]

Try the GTX will be ur new best bard score

[@HeK.]

Just stick with the GPX1. Way better and quieter clicks and much cheaper. 2k and USB-C is not worth the price.

[@ayda2876]

YOU ARE BACK HELL YEAHHH

[@luhersk]

The GOAT is back let's goooo

[@0rangecash324]

what mouse and pad do you sure for tracking

[@Bardolo]

recently I've been kind of playing around... somehow zero xsoft and gpx2 are actually treating me very well

[@rozak-]

how much money logitech give you

[@nceryu]

хоть в 1й игре где стрелять надо попадать начнешь, расскажешь про мышки

[@dwight2310]

duuuh. boring is good.

[@Gainax_tcmc]

Gpro - is the best mouse..? 😂

[@leeblanchard306]

what sens are you running in val?

[@drumf]

ciao

[@Bardolo]

CIAO DRUMF!

[@inspire1ove]

not even close to the best

[@lowsensischeating]

lamzu maya is better

[@tayam9628]

❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@tinychamberz]

by far not the best

[@devilshadow8913]

Not first

[@kabetee]

Mouse YT Enthusiasts channels say that magnesium/carbon mices are smth that made gaming mices move on some kind of another level like: Razer VMSE/WLmouse Beast X/Finalmouse ULX. What do you think about them comparing go GPX 2? @bardOZ