THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL INNOVATION! First Time Reacting to Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST!

[@PeeVee1979]

It might've been Walter Röhrl who said that when driving through those crowds in Portugal you could not think of them as people if you wanted to be fast. They were just trees and bushes to the drivers in order to go flat out.

[@armindopires7743]

you got that right man.

[@PernelTV]

Now you can watch about Michèle Mouton, the best female rally (Group B) driver of all time, she beat almost all men on Group B, amazing, true legend.

[@justhouz]

I agree. Michèle was a very good driver. I think this video is worth a watch. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGe5kI2Klq57idE&pp=ygUPTWljaMOobGUgTW91dG9u Also "Climb Dance" is spectacular : Ari Vatanen breaking Pikes Peak record on the Peugeor 405 T16 . kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnjcp5iGptSSqqM

[@pavelslama5543]

Yeah. She almost went home with the Champion title the first year the Group B existed.

[@PernelTV]

@@pavelslama5543 Champion in our heart

[@Pyllymysli]

One of my favorite sports stories all and all is Michele Mouton. Also she has some properly badass nomikers. "The Queen of Speed" "Black Volcano" etc.

[@richardhoyau936]

​@@PernelTVmon idole

[@redguern]

It might be worth you watching a video on Michele Mouton, the best female driver ever. She took on the men in rally driving and embarrassed some of the top drivers. Pikes Peak was mentioned at the end of this video and nobody thought she could take it on, there is a very good video about it. Someone also mentioned her in an earlier post.

[@MarkPatrie]

I was just going to suggest Michele for a deeper look at Group 2

[@panamafloyd1469]

I've had a 'schoolboy crush' on that woman since I was 19yrs old (was a watercooled VW guy, cheered for Audi). I think I've seen elsewhere that she's decided to get into vintage meets these days (also bringing her co-driver from back then). Her hair's gray instead of black now, but so's mine. I don't care what color volcano she is now..she's still Michele.

[@khancrow7015]

"Embarrassed"??? Lol I don't think any man that she has beaten felt embarrassed. If anything I've seen examples of men embracing her after winning for her success...

[@redguern]

@@panamafloyd1469 She was very attractive when racing, and still is!

[@zimbo65a]

Michelle Mouton may be the best female WRC driver but not ther best female rally driver, that´s Jutta Kleinschmidt, winner of the Rally Paris Dakar with a car and a bike. Jutta was a marathon offroad giant and also good at 24 hour track races in Spa, at the Nürburgring ect.

[@module79l28]

Some "grim" facts about Santos' crash in Portugal: - He lost control because he had to swerve to avoid hitting a spectator that jumped onto the stage as he was going downhill at almost 200km/h. - Four people died in the accident, not three: three were killed on the spot (two of them were a mother and her 11 year old son) and one of the injured died the following day. - The next drivers that passed through the accident's location reported it to the marshalls at the end of the stage but the FIA people in charge only let the emergency services reach the accident's location to assist the injured spectators after the last car had completed the stage, despite the insistence of the drivers and the portuguese authorities to stop the stage immediately. - After they learned about what happened, all the major teams immediately refused to do the rest of the rally. Later that day, they held a meeting at the hotel where they were staying and signed a document demanding that the FIA took measures regarding the spectator's safety and the improvement of the cars' safety for the rest of the season or they would pull out of the championship. The FIA's president ignored the document and insisted that they had to complete the rally. They all packed up and left and the rally was finished only with some of the portuguese drivers. Money spoke louder, nothing changed and it took two more deaths just 2 months later to put an end to Group B.

[@MrProthall]

I always wonder... why didn't the drivers just not stop driving? What's the FIA going to do? Fuck em.

[@satanihelvetet]

@@MrProthall You have the answer in the comment above by @module79l28: "- After they learned about what happened, all the major teams immediately refused to do the rest of the rally. Later that day, they held a meeting at the hotel where they were staying and signed a document demanding that the FIA took measures regarding the spectator's safety and the improvement of the cars' safety for the rest of the season or they would pull out of the championship. The FIA's president ignored the document and insisted that they had to complete the rally. They all packed up and left and the rally was finished only with some of the portuguese drivers."

[@ulvsbane]

The winter rally are actually some of the fastest rallys out there. They don't use regular tyres but got very heavy pattern and long metal studs to really grip the snow and ice. "I think that people think of snow and ice as something slippery. We think of it, amazing grip." -Andreas Mikkelsen, Norwegian rally driver during Swedish Rally 2024.

[@arjanpetersen]

the lancia delta is the pinnacle of rally racing. Unbelievable violent machine. I've seen one starting and driving off. Gave me goosbumps.

[@ecalduchbarcelo]

I had a Peugeot 205 Gti, it was a wonderful car, the best car I have ever owned. Thank you for remembering all this. You are great. 😘😘

[@AHVENAN]

As he said in the video, the Audi Quattro is especially legendary because it was the first ever car to use four-wheeldrive in rallying and the first ever production sedan to do it aswell, before that only big Jeep style cars had it. That's where Audi got the name for their four-wheeldrive system

[@StereoMoFo74]

Not completely accurate, the Subaru Leone sedan (body code A27) 1975 was the first production sedan with 4WD. The AMC Eagle sedan also preceded it (1979).

[@paulqueripel3493]

Not only big Jeep type cars, Jensen FF of the mid 1960s was a GT car, 4wd, abs, a big Chrysler V8 4 seat tourer.

[@vintageman91]

A lot of motorsports where crazy back in the days like 1960s-80s Formula 1, group b in the 80s, sports prototypes in the 60s-80s and late 1930s grand prix cars sometimes reaching over 220 mph on the long straights.

[@m-arky66]

*were

[@kallsop2]

@@vintageman91 Le Mans and CAN AM in and around 1971 was insane. At Le Mans you had the Porsche 917 and Ferrari 512M battling at near 240 MPH on the Mulsanne straight, and the you had the 1100HP Porsche 917-30 Spyder twin turbo in CAN AM. The rules for CAN AM were written on a drink napkin. Full body, two seats, rollbar and seat belt, four wheels, minimum weight 900kg. That's about it.

[@vintageman91]

@@kallsop2 The minimum weight of can am cars where lower, some weighed 650-700 kg.

[@kallsop2]

@@vintageman91 Thanks. Not sure where I got the number from.

[@ConemantheBarbarian]

A track specific to rally has been tried but doesn’t work on the same scale. The big part of rally that appeals to fans is the running the event on real roads.

[@josephdoyle9865]

You should watch some Michelle Mouton videos. She was the only woman racing in Group B, set a record at the Pikes Peak Hillclimb and is currently in charge of safety for the World Rally Championship. A gifted driver, a beautiful woman and an even more beautiful soul and human.

[@williamronneywilliams2639]

Just over a week ago Rali Ceredigion was in fully swing,driving through Aberystwyth town then up into the forest by Penryncoch. Amazing spectacle to watch live.

[@chipperfish01]

In my younger years I martialled at a Group B. I hid in the trees and blew my whistle when a car approached.

[@DrMcKay66]

I saw this live in sweden and finland in the 80,s. It cant be explained, it has to be seen with your own eyes to get the real grip of these cars. One funny story is that when Michelle Mouton came to the service area after some stages in portugal the mechanics found a finger stuck in an air intake on her audi 😂😂😂😂😂 It was a sport in it self from the spectators to be able to touch the cars flying by.

[@kallsop2]

Group B was a ticking bomb at the time. As you noted the lax rules caused a lot of the issues. I remember reading about it back then since there was no real TV coverage broadcast in the US and the writers talked about how exciting it was but at the same time that something bad was bound to happen. The announcer in this video, Scott Mansell (no relation to F1 and IndyCar driver Nigel Mansell) is a racer himself and I highly recommend checking out his other videos on his channel Driver 61.

[@jaquestraw1]

Scott's channel is fantastic

[@mhh7544]

When Hannu Mikkola in Audi overtook Timo Salonens Nissan at the Montes first stage, Timo said to his co pilot: you wont do shit with 2WDs anymore.

[@kallsop2]

@@mhh7544 Hans Stuck did that in the IMSA series in the late 80's early 90's with the Quatro sedans.

[@max27stoner]

@@kallsop2 obviously Salonen meant that it was useless for rallying. How can you compare rallying and circuit racing?

[@bigbird2100]

Great video 👍 As one driver said "it's formula one on dirt" 😂😂😂😂

[@sgpsimonb]

Dakar!! Two weeks racing in the desert! Bikes, quads, cars, big trucks! Originally it was the Paris-Dakar as those were the end-points. They had to move it away from western Sahara as there were kidnapping/death risks. It moved to South America for years and then just recently to Saudi. I was taught bike bike off-road riding by a guy who has completed it on two wheels ten times! Amazing scenery, wild racing, complex logistics.

[@imrekalman9044]

Ah, that clip of a Peugeot doing 200 km/h in the desert, being overtaken by a TRUCK! 😍

[@maverick2242]

I grew up watching this as a kid on TV, I never got to see live a GroupB race but did go to Group A in the 90s which took over from GroupB, later to become WRC , I initially hated the fact that GroupB was cut, but later grew to lover GroupA. It was pretty normal for mechanics working on groupB cars to spend more time removing fingers of spectators from there cars after stages and events. That's how insane these spectators were, they couldn't get enough! There was even a race off between the Lancia Delta S$ vs the current F1 Champs car in a drag, race the delta S4 won that drag race, its acceleration was insane! I maybe wrong but I think also there was a run off vs a fighter jet also, mem might get that one mixed up. Sad for the deaths that was insane, that rules and regulations weren't in place limit spectators, plus protect drivers! F1 had addressed many of those concerns in the late 70s, it should have been obvious, but I had no idea it was this loose as a kid, it was just specular and me and my Dad would sit down watch it on TV, it was awesome, nothing like it since, todays Rally I dont really follow, like many sports its not as accessible, I can watch it on RedBull TV, but its not like it was in the 80s when we would sit down in front of the TV me and my Dad together, him having a beer and chips and me with probably not beer, soda etc. Great times, never forget. It was a great era of motorsports, it really was, F1 was at its best as well. Great reaction, def dig deeper others have mentioned Superwoman Michelle Mouton, def worth checking her out as well, again no one like her since! 🤘

[@MrLarsgren]

should check out a video named the unfair advantage. its about audi competing in american races and how the american officials kept adding penalty rules to the audi so americans could win even tho audi already was racing with smaller engines with less hp.

[@pudermcgavin4462]

Group b was the pinnacle of motorsports!

[@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman]

FINALLY some Group B, the stuff I loved ✌💖☮

[@photospeer393]

Had a Peugeot 205 GTI in the 80’s and remember it to be the super, well balanced car, when it was about driving the turns on the Swiss mountain roads. Still one of the best cars I remember to have had up until today. The Peugeot GTI was front wheel drive and I can only imagine how much better the 4-wheel drive rally version of that car must have been?

[@TruckingInABlueDream]

Look into why drag racing’s Top Fuel cars only run 1000 feet instead of a 1/4 mile.

[@alexmarin4245]

80's and 90's, rallies gold era!

[@GaryNoone-jz3mq]

The main problem with group B was the weight limitation. If they had required a heavier car more companies would have used the extra weight allowance to include better safety equipment.

[@dieterdodel835]

*The main problem with group B was the crowd!*

[@jefforymitchell5697]

Honestly I don't think that's true. A higher weight limit would more likely have led to manufacturers using heavier or more parts, bigger turbos, more complicated gearboxes, 4WD systems etc. I think the biggest problem Group B had was the mentality towards safety in general. Manufacturers wanted to make the fastest or most powerful cars, the safest car wasn't going to win them races. What Group B really needed was mandatory driver safety equipment.

[@TontsaXD]

Some F1 action would be fun! (My childhood hero so to speak was Kimi Räikkönen. Former F1 driver from Finland, won 1 World Championship in 2007 and was know as Iceman because of his ways with media and stuff [pretty funny content there] also was one of the best drivers on the grid between 2003-2007 and didn't lack with pace in his older years before retiring 2021.

[@mpainter22]

The irony now is the current Rally1 cars are even faster

[@jefforymitchell5697]

They're also now some of the safest cars in the world to crash.

[@imrekalman9044]

It only took what, 3 decades of evolution to achieve that...?

[@danielsantiago8146]

Definitely have to do a video reaction to Michelle Mouton. One of the greatest group b drivers of all time. Most fearless woman.

[@pudermcgavin4462]

Group b was absolutely insane! Some of these cars would still be on top!

[@fredeerickbays]

I know all about this one being a former dirt track racer. Give it up 40 yr ago when I got me some kids at 32. I was pretty good. Started at age 16. Had been run cars on home made track for 6 yr by then. Took third in my first race at Woodhull NY with the car a paid $100 for. Put the winnings right back into another car. Never won Many races and did not run enough to get any real points on the season but I never went from a race without some kind of winnings. After the kids I got 10g's for the car I was driving then. Never put any money into a car that I did not win but for that first 100 bucks.. If u ride with me today it will be a fun drive b/c I dont speed but I like to push a car through a turn.

[@petergordon4525]

Formula 1 cars explained for rookies by Cleo Abrams is very informative and entertaining

[@capudiovu2a665]

Good. The one and only reference for everything you need to know about Group B, the cars, the regulatory and non-regulatory tricks, the drivers, the backstage, the bluffs, the cheating even, the show, is Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear special. The rest is just a skimming of the surface.

[@tommimagnusson2891]

I seen the last Neste Jyvaskyla Rally in midle Finland where the groub b drives,it was memorible when car comes out of forest to fields, it was roring for motor and back comes flames when the car cooled cylinders injected waters its burned out and then come very loud bang ...bang.

[@satanihelvetet]

About her comment starting at 17.30 that ends with "...like building specific track for it...": That was pretty close to what happend, as the group B cars had a second life at the rally cross tracks after that the group B was discontinued.

[@andreashofer4442]

Nascar drivers arent nearly on F1 level and you mean Lewis H, while Max V is the nr1 rn.^^

[@danialradcliffe7754]

I believe it was the first car to have anti lag for the turbos.

[@gerbentvandeveen]

There is olso the "Dakar Rally." Whit cars and bikes and trucks.

[@joakimbarkstrom9679]

Just to point out, 200 examples of the cars had to be built for the homologation, a testing and certification process for vehicles, but only 20 more required to produce an evolution model.

[@pedrosaliba2463]

Check out Colin McCrea one of the best rally drivers ever . May he rest in peace .😊

[@eyeq7730]

I remember it being my favorite game I tkink on the Playstation one!

[@P-M-869]

Have you looked for any Baja 1000 race videos? They have several different classes. There are a few "The Cannonball Run" movies which runs across the US. They are comedies.

[@Bramfly]

Take a look at Sebastian Loeb 🏆🏆🏆

[@Shiftry87]

If u havent seen it yet then i would suggest to take a look at the Isle of Man TT motorcycle race. Thats likly 1 of if not the most dangerous race going on today.

[@KarILsson]

12:10 Rally Portugal one of the rally´s with huge problem with spectators on the stage doh to the lack of crowd control..... and was one factor along with the fatal accidents 1996 that made FIA ban the group B for the 1997 season.

[@carsnanidiot]

fun-fact on rally. You got the best grip on snow 😀

[@stevefleming4450]

Most people don't realize safety came out of this to.

[@Mike111174]

hey guys, nice vid. do one about that plz --> Full race extended highlights | 24h Nürburgring 2023, or the guy named walter röhrl

[@hugovilag]

If you want raw sound, there's nothing like the videos by amjayes2 and marvdogger2, absolute incredible footage, with just sound. First time I saw one I got hooked. Also, Group B was killed on the spot, that very day at Corsica. The then FIA president Jean Marie Balestre anounced a ban on Group B cars taking part in FIA sanctioned championships, and also killed Group B's meant successor; Group S. Group A was to be the new top category for the WRC, sporting cars much closer to an actual mass produced road car.

[@ombrepourpre7562]

1:10 "a little out of control" 😂 No my fair lady. It was TOTALLY out of wack 😂 Crazyness to the utmost ! Madman driving beast of machine with no security. No law far wast kind of thing 👍 But even with all the tragedy, it kind of sad it as stopped. Yeah, not the "people one the roads and streets trying to touch cars goind 100/200 km/h" part. This part was BAD. Nor the "make the cars lighter even if you make it a death trap without security" who was literally criminal to do. But the mood? The thrill? The freaking SOUND of the motor and the earth shaking when they were coming? It was beautiful. Still there, one other rally, but much more chill. Though the A group remain great ❤

[@mathieuraymond9356]

You should look up Michelle Mouton a french woman being most of the time second in Group B and having the record of Pikes Peak in the US for sevreal years !

[@evilmessiah81]

you should react to some rally dakar stuff, that was a rally on over 7000 km from paris to dakar in algeria, it includes racetrucks, motorcycles and cars

[@paulvanwens2588]

Jan de Rooy in his DAF truck overtaking Ari Vatanen in a Peugeot 405. That truck was insanely fast!

[@pauloaraujo3824]

Para mim ordem dos meus desportos favoritos 1.rally 2.F1 3.motociclismo

[@austinkeene8421]

You should watch a documentary called dust to glory. It’s about the Baja 1000.

[@Crynogar]

Some perspective. The Lancia Delta S4 can go from 0-100kmph respective 0 - 62mph in 2.3 seconds ..... on GRAVEL/loose ground. In addition, to give the minimum weight more emphasis, how dangerous that rule was ... the lancia weight only 890kg and had a maximum output around 490-500PS. This car is just absurd. Also there is a quote from a very famous german Rallye (still living) legend, Walter Röhrl. He once said only Rallye is real racing/driving, everything else is just memorizing. A good demonstration of the S4 is seen here, it is from a german show, and the passenger is the main host, who is normally babbling away like a waterfall. But you'll get the jist definitely: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5Szq3aKjsaDm9k

[@Oisin-O]

It would be hard to overstate the skill these drivers had to have to drive these cars.

[@Turbo_J_Automotive]

Group 5 racing is regarded as Group B’s road racing equivalent. You should check that out.

[@MarkWiggins-u8v]

Try Dovi V Marques last lap. MotoGP at its best.

[@Study49-yt]

Tucker Hibbett. Pro mod. Snowcross.

[@Murvelhund]

Maybe Isle of Man TT - The greatest motor sport on the planet OR The Isle Of Man TT - World's Most Dangerous Motorcycle Race!

[@finnishculturalchannel]

The other aspect is that some of the traditional rally routes got too small for those cars and were also too long and demanding to drive with those cars. Early days of rallying: "FLAT OUT (The History of Rally) - Episode 1 - The Origins".

[@Gr8Buccaneer]

you guys maybe interested in the V10 F1 time ? wild screaming engines with 15000 rpm

[@LuisNunes-ps4sl]

Right after Group B was ended, Audi brought the Quattro to North America. Raced them in Trans Am and IMSA. Much to the disgust of local teams, they kept winning. This video tells the story kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJq1i2WhjNWMqrcsi=tMG_PuWUPaTJCHQl

[@ianrose56]

Do the Mark Higgins TT Subaru car ,in car pov video. It's awesome. It's the 2016 video.

[@nothernmonkey8612]

I'd recommend SPEEDWAY it's oval dirt racing in a stadium. The bike's are 500cc 2 stroke that run on methanol fuel with NO BRAKES 4 riders and the races last about 3 minutes. And the races will have you on the edge of you're seats👍

[@Elsureel]

Some sound deadening on the walls would help a lot, your room echo is distracting

[@_light_catcher]

I have seen various reactions to this video and in many of them I keep hearing the statement "I would never do that or even just watch it, it's far too dangerous" the same with the "tourist trophy" or "ultra" "hooligan" videos. that shows the difference between Europeans and Americans. in the USA: I can't do that, it's too dangerous. + it's banned because someone could get hurt. in Europe: I don't do that, nothing can happen, it's boring if it's safe, if I don't risk getting hurt it has no appeal for me. + we'll see what happens and if it goes wrong we can always ban it, maybe, or maybe not. USA the land of the free, as long as nobody gets hurt, dies or can sue me. Europe, the country with the freedom to let a rally car kill you, to let a hooligan beat you to death or to crash a motorbike into a house at 150mph. I have no idea which is better. But I know one thing for sure: if these things weren't so dangerous, they wouldn't have this appeal and you would never have made a reaction video about it.

[@baandro8128]

what he didn't say was that the delta s4 could do 0-60 in 2.9 seconds on gravel GRAVEL THATS INSANE

[@mhh7544]

Todays WRC 1 is like modern group B car. Space frame, panels for body and 500+ hps, fastest rally cars in history. Group B stage times were passed 1990.

[@eugenehahn9355]

Four wheel drive system on the rally cars are more complex and different than on the street cars.

[@RogerWyatt365]

"That black guy in Formula 1" is Sir Lewis Hamilton, seven-times World Driver's Champion.

[@roaldmathisen5854]

They have done all the regualations and, now a days they are driving even stronger cars with the wrc rally 1 cars.. Take a look at it. It's practicly group B in 2024 rallys. I love simrally, and do all of the "4 great" with an old logitech g27, and a homemade cocpit. And having an amizing experianse in simulators where i can just chuse what ever car i want, or what ever race, or place, in any conditions.. But be aware.. It is an adicctiv, and i mean really heavy addictiv.. Get a 2nd hand racing setup and get started, you will never regret.. The day you start simracing, i will subscribe to you:) Nice video by the way:)

[@carlosv1675]

Deberíais reaccionar a Sabine, la reina de nurburgring

[@m-arky66]

Marvdogger and AMJayes channels are good for GpB action.

[@RoverWaters]

the 1983 037 championship winner had over 300HP, not 250hp

[@martinsv9183]

Formula Off Road in Iceland maybe.. :)

[@toomasargel8503]

09:25 0-100km/h Audi on gravel 3 seconds 1983 !!!!

[@dougca7086]

React to the Baja 1000 any year

[@toomasargel8503]

17:56 more weigth more saftey + of course fans must be out of danger areas = out side curves must empty least 30 meters

[@kevin4324]

The audi quattros sound is very very recognisable! The problem of the Group B was the lack of care for controlling the masses of fans… and that the president of the governing body FIA at the time was a mafioso and only pro-f1… Group C (LeMans prototypes) was the same… They could have easily made it safer, instead they went back to stockcars basically

[@davidcruse6589]

Look up this racing from Australia 🇦🇺 It's like your nasca But our manufacturers They race on road circuit some tracks about 50 / 50 Look this up Mount Panorama Motor Racing Circuit with Mark larkin This is a road course through mountain and 6hr race The category super car championship Best ever Bathurst 1000 crashes Cheers guys 🦘🇦🇺👍

[@briangilbert230]

"Real cars real roads real fast" should still exist just regulate car and fan safety.

[@SvetoslavYankov-u7g]

You can react to „10 times Lewis Hamilton showed his brilliance“… It’s about F1

[@tiagoguerra337]

You should REALLY REALLY watch "The INSANITY that was Group B Rallying" it has most of the information this one has... But soooo much more...

[@knxr1404]

As you said at the end of the video that todays rally cars are probably faster, that is not true. Thats why group B was so bonkers, those cars will still smoke modern sports cars being 40 years old !

[@Manipulator906]

I have a better suggestion which will give you an insight about that era. The video is titled the absolute insanity of group b.

[@ROBOTRIX_eu]

[@dylanogden812]

Lewis Hamilton is the f1 driver u were talking about 7x champion

[@charliebrooklin]

.. just watch.. "Formula 1, Explained for Rookies" from Cleo Abram

[@okolek6527]

Must see Madam Michèle Mouton

[@ClaudeRoques]

Group B was for men and wrc for boy

[@rendirendi6479]

Please reaction visiting pope prancis in indonesia...

[@onebite3059]

React to MILLIONAIRE BY YO YO HONEY SINGH top trending banger song released 🎉🎉🎉 🤞🤞🤞👍👍

[@pauloaraujo3824]

LANCIA E SUBARU...THE BEST

[@pdevs1966]

Ive an audu S3 2 litre 4 cylinder, 385 bhp stage 1 tunned. Us European can get more out a 4 cylinder l sorry your Canadian l European cars the best .

[@mhh7544]

Group B Monsters - with pure engine sounds kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHLFp2NtmK92b6Msi=69gT439cYsMvHtmN

[@kallsop2]

@@mhh7544 Thanks 👍 Added that to my list of other rally videos. Gives me something to watch during the winter when all the racing series are in between seasons.

[@mhh7544]

@@kallsop2 the channel has very good quality group B vids.

[@jamesgeorge2852]

Honestly if I was driving I really wouldn't be thinking about spectators it's thier choice to risk Thier life by stepping on the track what if spectators were allowed to do that on a formula one track? Nothing good that's for sure

[@abbas431]

I'm a massive rally fan but I just can't watch F&F because of how unrealistic it is. Nothing gets close to watching a WRC car in full flight in nature and Group B was the pinnacle. I'm lucky to have seen Michelle Mouton and her Audi in Kenya.

[@reonmaterman6600]

Bathurst 1000 check that out.