Battlestar Galactica Deadlock - Alternate Second Cylon War: The Final Battle of Caprica

[@Freesorin837]

Imagine how screwed the cylons would’ve been if Baltar had just kept it in his pants. Alternatively he could have given Six the codes but had the common sense to go to Adar and say “this chick just asked me for the access codes to our defense mainframe. Our cyber security guys should keep their eyes open for any tom-frakery in the code.”

[@tuxedotservo]

Would've required a Baltar with different personality/phase of life, as at that point Baltar was a coward. His first reaction to Six telling him her true nature was to lament how much trouble *he* was going to be in (traitor, execution). But yes, without the backdoor, the Cylons would've needed to seriously re-think their fleet, as the modern Baseships only had missile ordinance, which battlestar flak fields easily counter. Also, the Raiders had numbers, but weren't nearly the equal of a trained pilot in a Mk. VII. It would've broken down into a slugfest - which the Cylons may still have won by attrition, depending on if/when the Colonials learned of resurrection tech.

[@ChanticoChulo]

right

[@tuxedotservo]

@M J I'm trying to remember - it's been a while, and I don't have Peacock to scan the episode - but in "Crossroads Pt 2." when the Cylon fleet ambushes the Colonials, I could've sworn Gaeta said something along the lines of "more than 50 contacts" ... tried to find a clip, but all I found happened right before or right after the Cylons jumped in. I found one clip with "massive Cylon fleet incoming" but a very blurry DRADIS due to camera pan. Regardless, your point is taken on the organic limits of the Cylons. If they got into a straight up war with the Colonies, they'd need to augment the organic fleet with non-organic support vessels - which would still take time to build, even if you have Centurions working around the clock. In our scenario ("what happens if Cylon backdoor doesn't work) there was something I didn't think about: they could just nuclear arm Raiders and have them jump straight to targets. I believe Raptors could do this, too, but initially the Colonials have no idea where the Cylon Colony is, while the Cylons know right where the Colonial homeworlds are. Nuke the Colonies, cut off the supply of resources and new recruits in sizable numbers. Not sure what Colonial defenses were like beyond the fleet to stop this particular attack vector. THe series keeps enough things vague for endless speculation :)

[@戴振威-m2c]

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[@samusaran11]

The Cylons would have gotten the CNP codes with or without Baltar. They have inflitrated the colonials for years before the fall, all it would take is one of them getting it.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

YES! now THIS IS A FRAKKING FIGHT! cylons for once don't automatically lose and you can see the Colonial fleet really taking a pounding.

[@fifaisscripted]

Imagine the chaos on DRADIS. Tactical officer wouldn't be able to identify shit with thousands of warheads overlapping with strikers and capital ships

[@hamza7033]

Thats way I think interstellar wars would mostly be between 2 ships billions of kilometers far from one and another.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Also image all the CYLON EWAR interference?

[@戴振威-m2c]

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[@TheDefiantPirate]

Plot twist This was a simulation run by the Cylons before they came up with the plan to have 6 sleep with Baltar and use him to bring down all of the Colonial defenses and the Virus that knocked out all of the colonial ships

[@ChanticoChulo]

I will be buying all of this it looks amazing

[@SeanUCF]

It is. I finished all the season 1 content and its a fantastic game.

[@sudoertor2009]

That's the exact reason the cylons infiltrated their software first. They knew they didn't stand a chance through firepower so they effectively hacked their way to victory. According to lore, the Cylons had numbers, but the Colonials had better firepower and basically better engineered (Albiet primitive tech base by comparison) weapons. Which is why the first Cylon war frequently ended up in a stalemate

[@WanderfalkeAT]

Well, if every Cylon Raider could carry 6 Nukes... I'd say they where pretty well armed!

[@dankuser8303]

@@WanderfalkeAT there is something called flak

[@WanderfalkeAT]

​@@dankuser8303 What has the Defense Grid to do with that the Vipers had none and the Cylon Raiders could fire 6? One of them nearly knocked out the Galactica! And that was only one Raider who got through. That Flak only works when your Fighters arent in a Furball against the Raiders close to the BS. You'd kill your own Fighter Squadron.

[@dankuser8303]

@@WanderfalkeAT you have your fighters intercept stuff that gets through, along with specialized pdcs. As long as the viper knows where the flak is going and avoids that it will be fine. A few nukes might get through, but not enough to cause a problem for a battlestar

[@WanderfalkeAT]

@@dankuser8303 Simple to understand: The Viper had only the power to fight annother Fighter. The Raider had enough Firepower to destroy a Battlestar! Only Battlestars could carry Nukes. Stop talking about defensive measures. If one get's through like shown in BSG - That Battlestar is in a Hell of Trouble.

[@davidlivingston9169]

Shame to see this end, makes me curious to know the final fate of the Cylon defectors!!!!

[@housecoatgaming]

That's something you can think up yourself. But the day after tomorrow, the last campaign airs. Due to no small amount of insanity during this viral stupidity, I had more then enough time on my hands to make more vids and Deadlock's last campaign was dropped after posting another series, so I couldn't get them up day one, even though I DID them day one.

[@aurance]

Why are those battlestars in such a tight formation? Seems like a bad idea.

[@housecoatgaming]

Overlapping flak. The biggest strength of a Colonial ship is the big guns, armor and for ships like battlestars, flak. Missiles cannot breach it. I would know: flak fields are the bane of any time I played as a Cylon against Colonials. Closeness is mitigated by paying attention to their trajectories and turns. None of my ships were lost to collisions with other ships, as you can see.

[@aurance]

@@housecoatgaming Understood, thanks for the explanation.

[@modularprawn74]

It's a good idea yes but if one nuke gets thru it will wipe out the fleet (it happened to me once)

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Also seems like a bad idea to only arm your ships with missiles against a foe who has incredible anti-missile defenses but hey.

[@MrCoolguy425]

@@randomlyentertaining8287 if they used missiles well such as using them in TOT (Time on Target) attacks in support of air group attacks, they would do fine. But for some reason the cylons can launch over 100 fighters in less than 10 seconds, but can’t launch two missiles at the same time.

[@ger5565]

1:00 did she say "not today Satan!" Bianca del Rio stole that line from Battlestar Galactica!

[@housecoatgaming]

...Not today, _tin can._

[@ger5565]

@@housecoatgaming lol. I figured it was different, it just gave me a laugh. Seriously thinking about tracking down the series to watch it since it's been so long.

[@Zachomara]

@@ger5565 I'm pretty sure it's on Amazon Prime (at least it was a couple of months ago)

[@ger5565]

@@Zachomara is in there but you have to pay for each season.

[@Zachomara]

@@ger5565 Well that sucks. They must have taken it off Amazon Prime.

[@sardaukerlegion]

Only one Jupiter class BS was built for every colony - and here we see 3 Mercury class BS defendig Caprica? So 2 colonies were left defenceless or economy was that good to build 3 Mercurys for every colony?

[@housecoatgaming]

Only one was a Mercury: the other two were Minervas.

[@james13sylar]

I think only one Jupiter class were built per colony at the start of the war, but more were made as the war rage on, as well as developed new classes.

[@stevepalpatine2828]

Each Colony got a Jupiter class as a reward/bribe for signing the Articles of Colonization, (which was intended as an incentive to the poorer Colonies as they could never fund a Battlestar like that thenselves) but they never only built 12, that was never stated and it's kind of a dumb idea when you consider they were at war, why would they hamstring themselves like that? It just meant that 1 each of the first 12 Jupiter Class Battlestars went to the Colonies, they built way more than 12, I think by the start of the 2nd Cylon War and the Cylon attack there was something like 120 Battlestars in the fleet, which is a big part of why the toasties needed Baltars janked up programme.

[@richardscepton3114]

Further, battlestars were the aircraft carrier of the BSG era. They don’t go alone, they have a full escort like a modern CSG. Also at the time of Caprica they had 120 SSBs. So that’s 120 Battle Star Groups ready.

[@dankuchar6821]

Great stuff!

[@joshuaswofford9216]

Wish they had made the game modable would have been great to see a Gundam one

[@SapphireCrusader1988]

Good lord, that would be amazing!

[@UnicornGamingRX03]

yeah i had that thought of what if BSG: Deadlock had a mod of Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded-Orphans where you can command a fleet/force with ships and mobile suits against the enemy, factions are available from season 1,2, Gekko and Urdur-hunt with hypothetical warships and MSV's.

[@rbgm01]

What game mods is this?

[@vornixsbladeserpent6369]

No mode DLC from the game

[@RightOne1]

Such a noisy Space!

[@moppypuppy781]

Such wishful thinking, face it the Colonials were humiliated and exterminated by inferior attack craft.

[@housecoatgaming]

...Is this a meme comment? Because I have a zero-tolerance policy on meme comments.

[@Zachomara]

@@housecoatgaming I don't know if that was a meme, but it is kinda true. Even the smaller, older Jupiter class (i.e. Galactica) kept taking on multiple Cylon attacks and caused mounting damage to the newer Cylon fleet. The only two things the Cylons had going for them militarily in space was their logistics and their jump drives. Ground forces were a different story.

[@artbrann]

if you take out the hacked command program the Colonial fleet was way better for war the Cylons changed their Basestars to be logistics carriers and missile ships so as to eliminate the population of planets with nukes from orbit, the Battlestars were still warships... you take the hack off the table, and the Cylons sit on the other side of the line afraid to attack knowing once they do they are gonna get stomped this was a command program that went from 0 to installed in the whole fleet including strike craft in 2? yrs... and despite the Cylons being known for being cyber warfare experts nobody even thought they were hacking the Colonial ships, because the CNP was designed by a genius? it was humiliation compounded by hubris(we pushed the toasters back 40yrs ago and we advanced, they are useless without us) when you get to actual fair or close to fair fights, the Colonial ships were outclassing the Cylons in just about every way in the Battle of the Resurrection Ship, Galactica and Pegasus straight up mugged 2 Basestars(more like assaulted) like it was another day at the office... those are 2 undermanned Battlestars, and they took missile hits but kept on going, the basestars exploded in the Battle of New Caprica, the only real reason they lost the Pegasus(besides plot) was Lee was an idiot, Galactica was giving as good as she got from a 4 on 1 and that was after the atmospheric jump and without the heavy cannons the Pegasus had... Lee> I am gonna jump in and charge to save the Galactica... a competent commander on both ships from the start it would have been a 4 on 2 fight that ended in 4 kills for the BSGs and 0 for the toasters or from when Lee joined might have managed a save or worst case it would have been scratch 1 Galactica but Pegasus rolls on

[@artbrann]

@@moppypuppy781 I was trying to avoid the correct word, since it can get comments pulled by the autofilter

[@artbrann]

@Meanie Panini he becomes a wash as much as he helps, he also causes issues couple examples cylon detector - that didn't work President - decided to stay on the planet(New Caprica) so he dies Galactica and Pegasus still get away, Pegasus figured out the hack without him(blame the 6s again there), Galactica had a base idea still no detector, so Boomer still tries to kill Adama, but no Baltar she isn't manipulated into saying the rough count - so wash there strangely enough, someone other than 6 being on him and/or on Pegasus(even just changing the human form cylon who was leading the assault on Pegasus) might have helped the plan better, she helps the colonials either thru her own actions or mistakes more than almost anyone