The Treasury Minister is read letter from viewer whose elderly father will lose winter fuel payment

[@TOGUN_TK]

MP's are allowed to claim up to £3400 per year heating allowance, will they all give it up?. Will they take a pay cut to help out the country?

[@RosCromarty]

No no no not ever greedy ba.....s

[@Shadylady4181]

No and you aren’t meant to ask those questions

[@JohnLangworthy-fl8dh]

long answer, waffle, waffle, blah, blah....No, Short answer Errr no!

[@martinneil2989]

No morals ,scummy people they forget they work for us

[@cherryrotella3714]

I wish someone would ask ministers directly this very question!

[@PAULVINEY]

Why didn’t she ask him if it was ok for MPs to receive heating allowances for their second homes but not for pensioners to receive it for their only home

[@Gleamingone]

Cos she doesn't care

[@iskrajackal9049]

Beautifully put, Paul 👏

[@michael_houghton]

Because it’s the BBC. You know how the conversation would have gone off camera: I’m going to ask you a few awkward questions so I can’t be blamed of going easy on you, you stick to your script about difficult decisions, then we can have a chat about where we have been on holiday and how the family is.

[@suecharnock9369]

This is the BBC. For them, this was a challenging interview that was far stiffer than most they give to left wing/ communist MPs

[@iskrajackal9049]

@@suecharnock9369 Yes it's raw when they give soft interviews to commies and lefties. Capitalism is such a paragonic system, with its main requirements of continuous growth and soaring profits making it easy to deliver prosperity for all (if you don't include the poorest 99%). We don't want those filthy commies sharing stuff equably - where would it all end?

[@michaelbarbato8403]

While Labour removes winter fuel payments to the elderly and vulnerable it maintains full energy payments expenses to MPs even for their second homes.The duplicity is inhumane and evil!!!

[@jackmchammocklashing224]

The more deceased OAP's The less pension money to pay out,Statsi Starmer is praying for an extreme winter to speed things up

[@AniWatX]

And selfish and deceptive.

[@joe3points864]

This is a brilliant plan for the working class people, labour will be taxing the working class not the wealthy.

[@theagency-ps9ev]

Take money from them but pay hundreds of thousands on hotels and free cash handouts i.e pocketmoney weekly to none born english

[@johnthompson4969]

This is a great comment. Leadership should lead, by example, and action. Field Marshal Slim wrote in World War II: “As officers,” he wrote, “you will neither eat, nor drink, nor sleep, nor smoke, nor even sit down until you have personally seen that your men have done those things. If you will do this for them, they will follow you to the end of the world. And, if you do not, I will break you."

[@johnrobboe9103]

I am 69 years old with heart disease, had a triple bypass operation in 2014 and suffered a small stroke in 2018, which I managed to survive. I am not eligible for pension credit by a small amount. The truth is they would prefer me to die to save the UK government money, the UK has become one of those countries that have a very little value for human life. I worked all my life for this. This government is the worst I have witnessed in my 69 years, remembering that some pensioners are worse off than myself and much older and more frail. Shocking Labour. I will never vote again.

[@pearlford121]

John.so sorry to hear what uv been through but please keep voting. but vote REFORM. Thats what im going to do.x

[@bobbadham261]

Remember Starmer sayin how terrible the pensioners are suffering then throws em to the wolves of winter!!

[@Tom-v4u]

He lied just to get our vote and then kicks us in the teeth

[@chriss4432]

This man has an agenda that is not for the UK - but Europe. He has always been that way - anyone that did their due diligence, knew what was coming. I am disgusted with how the tories ran the country, but not for a second was Labour even an alternative. It was the shortcut to instant destruction.

[@melkor2789]

He wants to steal their homes and savings

[@meridianleeward6370]

Pensioners are surplus to requirements under Labour. The less of them the better as far as they are concerned. Once they have screwed the last penny out of the them then they are of no use anymore. Why didn't the interviewer ask the questions we all want to hear 'Why are you spending 1 billion on illegal migrants whilst screwing over the people that have doing the right thing all their lives?' Makes you think the questions are worked out in advance apart from the token dig at the government just so people think the BBC are unbiased.

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

@@bobbadham261 I remember the first part but not the second. When did he throw them to the fictional winter wolves?

[@yvonneaslan1454]

These MP’s should give up their pay rise and not take their winter fuel allowance.

[@sudsey6713]

They should be losing their heating allowance too

[@susangoodwin6520]

They must keep the illegal migrants warm.

[@pooranrashidi9714]

Quite agree and well said this labeller government is the worse I have ever seen they stop the pensioner full money in the other hand they put the praises up for everything

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

@@yvonneaslan1454 they don't get a winter fuel allowance.

[@jasonmccready4779]

These MPs have no heart or empathy to the average citizen, their programmed to say the same drivel - ‘a series of difficult choices and tough decisions’ is the latest party strap line without care in the World about its implications.

[@paulpratt1227]

Wow the bbc actually asking the right questions and not letting them off the hook. THIS IS THE BBC OF THE 60S AND 70S WOW WELL DONE KEEP IT UP😊

[@shauneden4229]

They are still repeating their shows from the 60's and 70's and still charge a licence fee.

[@GeorgeinScotland]

Not sure the questions are from the BBC woke top brass it's more likely all coming from Victoria who is excellent at making politicians shrivel

[@ClarkLamontBeedie]

Shame they acted as the fawning propaganda wing of the Tory party for the last 14 years, f*cking hypocrites.

[@G1JFC]

They are a mouthpiece for the Conservative Agenda yet again. They should be scrutinised as such. Tory owned. Hook line and Sinker.

[@notbaltic280]

Look.she gave a good interview - 👏 ​@@shauneden4229

[@lynnebarnes3840]

You're spending money on free hotel rooms with room service and immediate access to a doctor and free dental for illegal immigrants. What a disgusting policy to rob pensioners.

[@sheenasmith6634]

Illegal immigrants get nothing. Stop doing what they want and attacking the wrong people.

[@alisonstevens8342]

Not forgetting the free NHS treatment they've put nothing into it

[@patkilmurray4702]

Well done Victoria, you put this liar on the spot beautifully.

[@keith13fox]

So why didn't she ask the toad why it's ok for MPs to have fuel allowance

[@glen9303]

​@@keith13foxexactly

[@braaimanook]

It will change nothing.

[@bobmcdermott9535]

I don’t believe a single word that came out of his mouth!

[@fredstables-co4ox]

A REAL PROPPER LIAR ...HE MAKES THE GRADE..OF M P,

[@dlloydy5356]

All he said for the most part was Kier Starmer has said…

[@ronnieince4568]

Bobmcdermott -he doesn't himself believe a word he is saying but he wants to keep his job so says what he has been told to say .

[@jennadecruz2472]

They should have asked about his and EVERY POLITICIAN’s £2,500 winter fuel payment??

[@twinturbo5212]

BBC is the darling of the Labour party, they don't give a flying fk

[@paulinemccracken2262]

Dear oh dear! What a state of affairs. Hopefully this should teach the electorate to take an interest in what the people standing for election represent rather than simply taking the "trendy" vote because the "champagne socialists" and "lefty luvvies" don't tolerate any party other than Labour.

[@Ariadne-cg4cq]

@@paulinemccracken2262 You are quite right. Unfortunately these days the Labour Party voters are mostly the middle class trendy lefties and the equally middle class Public Sector Unions who are pretty well off themselves but believe themselves to be compassionate and “caring” for the less well off than themselves which is the reason they are so wedded to the Labour Party. The Party is no longer interested in the working classes whom they see as too nationalistic and racist so they are not interested in them. The pensioners as a general rule don’t vote Labour so hitting them won’t lose the Party any votes which is the reason that they have decided that they are the right group to try and save money et from so they hit them with the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance. It is all very cynical and calculated but that is today’s politics for you. And if a few thousand pensioners don’t make it through the winter, so much the better. It saves the Government some money!

[@MegAndJas]

Things must be bad when a BBC reporter rips into a Labour spokesperson 😱

[@loopi7126]

Going after the easy targets. Disabled and elderly.

[@ghengis430]

As clearly they're the ones with the broadest shoulders, again .

[@chriswinter6672]

And then try to dress it up with words like "tough" and "difficult", like coalition goverment from 2010 to 2015.

[@ghengis430]

@@chriswinter6672 we're all in it together! Yeah.

[@LoneSheWolf09]

And children too don’t forget

[@BunyanaRed1958]

They are not difficult choices for the MP's. They still get their expenses for heating, council tax etc. Labour spent 14 years slagging the Tories off for implementing cuts and austerity. Now look what they are doing? They also told the Tories austerity doesn't work. It just damages poor people. Starmer boasted of "Change" if elected. All he's delivered is misery.

[@kaseycornflakes1234]

Bunyan...it is change....change for the worst.

[@mikerobb8838]

That was the change Starmer wanted to make - people even more miserable poor cold hungry and dead

[@BunyanaRed1958]

@@kaseycornflakes1234 Aye.

[@petersavage9456]

''Misery'' eh? They have a long way to go to catch with the fxxking the Tories gave us.

[@heatherthompson3670]

@@petersavage9456savage in name, savage in attitude!

[@stewarthigginson6669]

ABSOLUTE WEASEL.

[@chriswinter6672]

That's very unkind ....... to a weasel.

[@Demotricus]

An utter slimeball.

[@watchyasell]

Totally agree

[@laurafenton6776]

He looks like a weasel too

[@des9772]

They,re all weasels! Conservatives , Labour, Lib dems ! People need to get out of their heads that these politicians give a shit about working people and pensioners that have paid money into the system all their lives!

[@riakendall8610]

Paying your second home heating but not the elderly that have an income +11K a year. Disgusting.

[@gerrymclean-mh2dq]

Awful man

[@sonny1987100]

His lips are moving - therefore he is lying!!!

[@stoicsceptic8420]

Sociopath.

[@jameshearns3439]

That's not a man that's Mr bean

[@Shaun137]

@@jameshearns3439 No, no, no, Mr, Bean make's us laugh. Oh wait, this guy is so laughable with his BS.

[@MrH1990s]

Agreed

[@joanforbes2631]

The amounts they expect you to live on weekly before you are entitled to pension credit are farcical. Appx £337 per couple per week which doesn't take into account paying rent, council tax etc & they sit in Lords getting over £300 PER DAY for doing nothing. Makes me sick

[@celticdollface]

even with pension credit.. all I get as a monthly pension is £680 to live on.

[@shaun906]

@@celticdollface new pension is £221.60 pw? plus £75 pension credit! £960 +£75 = £1035 plus £120 per month council tax rebate = £1155. plus £350 towards gas elec. free prescriptions and eye tests.

[@martinjohncassidyCASSIDY]

Liars. All politicians.

[@susanhill3147]

Well said, just abolish the House of Lords. Think what you could do with that money instead….😡🤬😡🤬👎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧

[@irenecase7786]

​@@susanhill3147 the house of lords has been my bone on contention I understand they receive £400 for expenses.

[@teeong1645]

That was not cronyism..that was corruption!

[@darrengrimmer8541]

So our pensioners can’t have their winter fuel allowance.. however if you break into our country illegally you will be looked after for the rest of your life.. what a wonderful thing

[@Krytern]

"For the rest of your life' got a source for that?

[@philthymiller]

Yep! Lovely warm hotel room with free hot water for baths & showers! Food is free too along with a brand new push bike!

[@janiceellis5461]

Public finances give money to Ukraine Israel but not British pensioners shame on starmer and his cronies I wish him ill curses.

[@chrisashton9218]

Oooh you are silly

[@Graham-rc1cp]

That’s utter nonsense

[@Rambo-2468]

Stop MP’s heating allowance and give it to the pensioners. They have huge salaries and giving MP’s extra money to heat their houses is a total disgrace. They have no shame and their noses in the trough. Disgraceful!

[@jmcc2275]

They appointed a guy from HMRC as an advisor. Seems he once said pensioners have it too good. This decision comes from him.

[@LucySplendid]

They should also stop them getting gifts and gratuities and money from lobbyist and individuals. Starmer has received nearly £30,000 worth of bribes er gifts.

[@BenjaminBartle-li3pc]

Vermin

[@hammertic]

😮 "Let them eat cake" comes to mind.😮

[@ChuckY229]

Please think of the illegal immigrants. Their 5 star hotels have to be heated. Many say they want houses for free. And they have 24/7 medical and dental treatment which has to be paid for - by you of course. So as you pull your own teeth out with pliers, you can rest assured your tax money is going to dentists whose only job is to look after illegal immigrants.

[@philipmason5898]

Didn't put the fact that winter fuel allowance will be withdrawn in the manifesto. Absolutely disgraceful.

[@julieturner5281]

And prioritised taking it away with in the first months of government , how can “ let’s cancel those nasty winter fuel payments to all those greedy pensioners “ have been the first thing a Labour government did on being elected , what would a true Labour leader have thought about that optic ?

[@Shaun137]

They done a U-turn on lots of promises. Just like any other government, talk crap just to get in power. Should all be done for fraud.

[@DarrenSmith-tq2xz]

You have seen nothing yet

[@MariaPaley]

If they had they would have NEVER got in and if it continues like this they Never will again, roll on next years council elections I think it will make the Torys general election bloodbath look like a mild abrasion!

[@edc1569]

hopefully the triple lock net.

[@justinthrustbucket1506]

This guy is totally out of his depth.

[@SimonLloydGuitar]

his grasp of finance is as weak as his hairline

[@petemayes1940]

They all our .Labour really are scum 8 weeks in I despise them

[@jimbo-yv5jh]

the whole Labour party are out of their depth especially the front bench.

[@Wrtp.]

He’s a total fud 100%.

[@sonny1987100]

YES! is it just me or does anyone get the impression even he doesn't believe what he saying, he is just going through the motions to try and defend the this nasty, horrible Labour government.

[@Pes60]

They understand but just don't care.

[@graemeshort1928]

Sums up Labors attitude to the old sick and needy

[@andrewmcgonagle6290]

@@graemeshort1928 As they get more bold, nick and greedy

[@s.h.p.7503]

Labour don't care about the elderly because they are not guaranteed to get their vote. Is it possible that Labour will introduce an assisted suicide law in hopes that they can rid themselves of people on pension and or benefits?

[@bonnieandclyde222]

And certainly don't want to

[@perfectstorm7379]

A classic example of getting through an awkward interview without his face showing any concern. The attitude and face of someone who does nor care.

[@davidfisher9026]

He would have fitted in well in Germany in the late 1930's.

[@firestar7774]

Very sad! They are evil!

[@Evelynlouise089]

He actually had to stifle a little smirk after she read that statement out from the public. Hes a disgusting little snake.

[@theinngu5560]

He seemed frightened of the dear Leader

[@lena-Ramone]

Face of a psychopath

[@ianstone3580]

I wonder how much this guy has claimed from our taxes to heat his second home. Disgusting

[@SteveFromManchester-di4lf]

From March 2023 to December 2023 he claimed £2,229 for "utilities", while Rachel Reeves claimed £1,460.

[@michaelmina4519]

I hope he hasn't got a second home! He is my MP (Ealing North) and lives in the borough so there's no excuse for him to not get to Westminster directly from his home in West Ealing.

[@tina-louisephillips787]

The older generation does not understand or even know about these things. It's really disgusting to think that our government does not care about the people who made this country what it is.

[@butlerpa100]

Those 880,000 pensioners aren’t spongers they are very proud citizens who have worked tirelessly for our country and this is the way a Labour government repay them.

[@sparkle6093]

Not all of them. Many have never worked or contributed in the UK.

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

And they got a Pension Rise linked ABOVE inflation to the average wages increase for last year.

[@BLUEsurf63]

Well said.

[@sallirobinson2907]

Yes, I am still working and paying my taxes. So sick of it…

[@mikerobb8838]

nearer 10.5 million

[@stephenbarrs2318]

They are forcing pensioners to choose between heating or eating, when they receive £1500 Grant to heat a second home + an inflation busting pay rise.

[@janeoxley4829]

Don't know how these politicians sleep at night, load of repetilians.

[@graemeshort1928]

That sums up politisans after me and my mates there is not enough left for anybody else

[@SimonLloydGuitar]

Plenty of money for 'irregular' migrants though.

[@jeffelliott6390]

They are forcing me and my family to vote reform.

[@irenecase7786]

​@@janeoxley4829 Jane it's called climbing up the greasy pole.

[@tonyjewson3366]

The whole thing is criminal... these elderly people lived and worked in the UK the majority of their lives, paid their taxes like everyone else. These elderly people should be looked after, to thank them for their service throughout the years

[@garysteel4173]

That bloke is a idiot

[@jackjohnson3182]

Well said 👍👍👍

[@jirwin32]

No, it, should not be screw the young, so both governments can make lots of promises to win votes of pensioners as they are biggest voting block. This uproar over, richer pensioners getting this taken away, is frankly reducious. More focus should be on getting those eligible for pension credit signed up, but negative sells. When tax rises are coming for the working population, issue is debt is be racked up so, boomers get benifits today while current working generation are left to pay for it. But there be no money left for current 20 to 30 year olds when they retire, we will be lucky if there a state pension worth anything as we are expected to have contributed to private pension and if there not enough in it we be out of luck.

[@gingerturtle4229]

Will the illegal immigrants in 5* hotels be having the heating turned off???

[@tonyjewson3366]

@gingerturtle4229 no because its supposedly inhumane, but that doesn't apply to the vulnerable lderly people that have served this country well

[@angelaturner1235]

Well done Victoria ! You were BRILLIANT! The Labour Party need to be called-out on EVERYTHING they are inflicting upon us!

[@petervharris]

Mr Murray MP does nothing in this interview to make me think that this Government has any real care for the British population at large. I would not trust him one bit.

[@bonnieandclyde222]

When I watched him now , for a second thought he was Jeremy Hunt

[@maxine1200]

🇬🇧 Crikey one BBC journalist who is worth her wages, well done Victoria 👍

[@marymcsoley4071]

I know I was surprised too 👍🏻

[@david6532]

rubbish, she and the main stream media are in bed with these bent politicians

[@ellemax2578]

@@christownsend-q3syes I agree, she’s absolutely dreadful.

[@paladin56]

Even the BBC thinks they are crap and a bunch of incompetent hypocrites. Wonders never cease.

[@macsmiffy2197]

@@christownsend-q3s why are all the BBC bashers called @user? Zealots!

[@eoroberts2834]

Dot forget MPS can claim £3.400 a year in heating allowance

[@michaelyates9970]

There is no upper limit to an MPs heating allowance for their second homes.

[@derekwhyle1884]

Yes but there are only 650 or so MP’s and at least a million pensioners. Do the maths.

[@Acridblue999]

@@derekwhyle1884 Who gives a crap about the maths. They are living in luxury while a lot of pensioners are not.

[@glen9303]

​@@Acridblue999well said.

[@jeffholt9437]

And good luck to them - after all, where would we be without their selfless efforts and guidance - oh wait, sorry - I was thinking about s*x workers.....😊

[@petergrant5292]

If we had a decent state pension then NO pensioner would be in a situation where they need pension credits

[@garysimpson9511]

Why don’t they cut the House of Lords daily payment instead of the winter fuel payment?

[@ianswan1283]

Absolutely

[@maryminty5876]

That would be a lifesaver for her!

[@chrisBaxter-d6r]

Lords should be scrapped full stop

[@DeeLee-p8c]

Oh me lud get yer balls off me chin😅😅

[@PYDPIPER]

Over £300 per day each, just for showing up.

[@shaynemurphy2938]

My mum is 84 years old and has paid taxes all her life she is 6 pounds above getting heating allowance you mp's are a disgrace why are are taxes paying 15 billion a year to foreign aid and you are disrespecting are oaps you lot make me feel physically sick and lie lie lie all the time

[@varcoliciulalex]

Why don't you help her with it as well, are you going to leave your mom to live in cold because you are to stingy.

[@brax25m57]

@@varcoliciulalex what a vile accusation, no point in their comment did they say they wasn't going to help out. Millions of family's are of course going to help out where they can but that's not the point is it. The point is that everyone's taxes are going up - Its hard enough to take care of their kids now days now they have to pay to keep their elderly warm because the government has failed them on that too. Its not about being stingy

[@ethalminiellis3032]

​@varcoliciulalex what a nasty individual you are. Get back under your rock.

[@radiofreak0]

C**t​@@varcoliciulalex

[@carolschobs2621]

Same here it’s an absolute joke.

[@garyhue9867]

Another lying out of touch politician.

[@lindemelhuish3206]

The usual prevarication!

[@jakecutter5125]

Well said

[@jeanmitchell5834]

They are not out of touch...they know exactly what they are doing...they feather their own nests.....they don't care about you

[@jeanmitchell5834]

Conservative and Labour two wings of the same bird....including lib dems

[@terryhayward7905]

Maybe MPs wages should be the same as a normal pension. That would soon change his mind.

[@stopthatluca]

BBC actually asking difficult questions! Well done Victoria Derbyshire.

[@tonyheath5747]

Nice line of questioning Victoria but you are asking someone who clearly couldn't care less

[@StephanieKiteley]

Well done Victoria, for asking the right questions 👏 I'm 69 and worked until I was almost 68 I've looked after both my parents in their old age. Now, there is no one for me. I'm not looking for sympathy but the Winter Fuel Allowance really helped me but now I'm just over the Pension Credit Allowance. Thank you Victoria for sticking up for people like me

[@Pete827sli]

Top marks for Victoria Derbyshire for being a decent journalist, asking the right questions and still managing to work for the BBC. Something of a rarity these days.

[@stoicsceptic8420]

Something of a rarity for Victoria.

[@Sonya_Makepeace]

No, she is just acting as an amplifier. She's telling you what the stasi want you to hear. Forget the cross examining, it's all a script.

[@trildi]

@Pete827sli Your statement is not grounded in reality. Newsnight's journalistic standards have lowered so much after so many BBC cuts. On top of that, BBC is pro-Tory, when did she ever read a letter from a poor voter to Rishi or Boris?

[@barrywhite3467]

She will probably get the sack now

[@freemorox5896]

A broken clock is right twice a day. She's disgusting

[@graceevans3154]

Pension is NOT a benefit!!! We paid in all our working lives. Those who have never contributed to the pension fund seem to get benefits worth more than the pension and are better off than those of us who have worked all our lives to receive state pension. What a con!!! 😢

[@andreakinuthia4197]

If you go over the limit for claiming pension credit by even £1, you lose pension credit but also the winter fuel payments and other benefits. It's a fundamentally cruel situation.

[@karenyoung2921]

It pays you to not save anything for your later years

[@jonsnow6741]

they care as much about the people as the BBC do about their reputation .

[@BB-mv9wl]

.....or children

[@jaguarskills69]

Labour only care about there union paymasters, rewarding them with big pay rise's etc.

[@christinejoy3030]

So true. Well said.

[@paulcrosby4757]

Totally agree there just as bad as any political party.

[@stephenmayzes3695]

​@@BB-mv9wlMy thoughts exactly

[@kevinsyd2012]

He claimed at 1:34 that Labour inherited the (universal) winter fuel payment system from the Tories, yet it was the Blair government that introduced it in 1997..!!

[@californiadreamin8423]

In 1997 was there a £22 Billion black hole in the finances ? Just asking.

[@kevinsyd2012]

@@californiadreamin8423 Half of the current £22B black hole is down to Labour's pay settlements with the doctors and public sector workers, which was not budgeted by the previous government.

[@johnsidwell2241]

@@californiadreamin8423 There was more than a black hole,this was the Blair/Brown government that robbed our pension funds,sold our gold at a knock down price and left office leaving a note saying there is no money

[@Bungle-UK]

Exactly. The blame game doesn’t work and anyone with a brain can see through it. We all knew the financial situation before the election….Labour just lied.

[@PauletteCheyne]

Also UK pensioners living in Europe (in hot countries) are getting the winter fuel payments? The Government will l probably argue that's because they don't get an increase in their pensions?

[@RhodieRowley]

Labour : "We must get the economy growing" Also Labour : "We'll grow the economy by increasing taxation" You couldn't make this up if you tried.

[@thomasjohnrobinson4658]

When foreign aid costs more than looking after the UK's pensioners,something's wrong.

[@backrowbrighton]

Victoria Derbyshire is a journalist of considerable integrity, no way was she going to let this condescending excuse for a person get away with this betrayal of a generation.

[@4adiarmuid]

Shes showing her worst side in a partisan way - BBC non bias out of the window

[@jackieleggett5269]

Then dont get your winter fuel payment £3.500 a year i believe stop that give the pensioners there winter fuel payment you didnt pay into this country 50 60 years shameful

[@viv1tony2]

You do know there are two different levels of pensions. I get the old state pension because I was born just before 1950. I should also point out that women did not receive anywhere near equal pay. The reason being “ men had families to support “, very sexist then. Your English isn’t good, so if you’re inferring that people didn’t pay in, please do remember wages were not as they are now. If you had to survive on the equivalent today and do the same type of employment. I can assure you, you would have no luxuries if bringing up a family. Yes, I worked, so don’t say shameful to me. That is highly insulting. I might add, that a lot of employment was manual and not everything was automated. So I’m going to lecture you. Coalmen lifting heavy cwt bags of coal on their shoulders all day, binmen lifting bucket of trash and ashes in the same way, farmers with picking done by hand, butchers cutting in their shops, carpenters with handsaws, vegetable men bakers, grocers with horse and carts, yes into the 1950’s. Do you get the picture, or do you need more. Shame on your judgement.

[@viv1tony2]

I’ll just add on to my previous reply, there were miners, factory workers, both men and women, there were car manufacturers and steel works, ship building, in short, the government closed all these forms of employment and more and shipped them overseas where the price would be lower to produce. Remember there were no computers and not much available to replace the jobs lost. You’re pompous just now, how long before the immigrants take over for lower pay and your pension drops, either that or they will not work but you will. There were all types of employment that you obviously aren’t aware of that was lost. Even doctors and nurses learned on the job. Good Lord I could go on and on. You have no idea what the people on the old pension rate had to do for their pension and the changes they had to endure. My husband was a miner at one time and was in a mining disaster. It did affect him. He lost a few co workers. Don’t lecture on things you know nothing about.

[@jackyr301]

​@@viv1tony2I think you read the OP's post wrong. They were referring to MP's shouldn't claim they're energy allowance for second homes.

[@Kavafy]

Pensioners are draining the country dry. We have other things that we need to spend money on as well.

[@maynelson7439]

@@KavafyImbecile!!!!! What sort of idiotic reply is that? The pensioners have spent their working lives paying towards their pension. Good luck to you in your old age, I wish only the best of all suffering for you going forward, I have never wished ill will on anyone but I'm giving you this very special award 😊❤

[@THEEblindman]

In this instance saying "I'm not going to comment on individual cases" translates to "Guilty as charged"

[@edithmiller3114]

Wow....the BBC presenter is asking the right questions, which is good to hear from the BBC for a change. The answers that she is getting are shocking. I feel for the British people.

[@californiadreamin8423]

Just as I did when I was younger , I payed for my mother’s heating bills, I’m sure the author of the letter would do the same…..won’t they ?

[@s3p4kner]

It's a turn for the books for sure but, there's blood in the water and the BBC wants a bite.

[@johnw2758]

@@californiadreamin8423 what if she can't?

[@Prospero-z1s]

​​@@californiadreamin8423Wake up you ridiculous muppet, many of us are struggling just to pay our own bills. How to let us all know you're clueless without actually typing 'I'm a total clown'.

[@trildi]

@@johnw2758 Brits have no idea what real poverty actually is. Kids can't pay for the gas bills? All it takes is a part time hospitality job at the weekends or a couple of extra shifts at work, but moaning is easier isn't it.

[@turboz6477]

My father is 75, he doesnt have a personal pension but isnt claiming pension credit! This decision is a disgrace!

[@suecharnock9369]

Well, time every pensioner in the country goes for pension credit! It doesn’t matter if they know they won’t get it - still apply!

[@jabberwockytdi8901]

Flipping heck so apply for pension credit what is wrong with you people???

[@nellygmn6466]

Same for my 80 year old Mum. She's 65p over the threshold for pension credit.

[@frugalitystartsathome4889]

@@jabberwockytdi8901absolutely agree. Plus, how can anyone say that a single one-off payment of £100 will make all the difference to their bill when the energy companies are charging people thousands to keep the lights on? If you are not eligible for PC it is generally because there’s money in the bank - far more than £100. There is a noticeable lack of logic in the majority of these arguments.

[@lindalewis5787]

​@suecharnock9369 easy to say I applied two months ago still waiting to here from them

[@paulmahoney6788]

Why the pensioners cut overseas aid of 12 billion a year to countries who don’t need it

[@KenW.-fd4wd]

You could tell that Labour guy was uncomfortable.Shame on them, they are an absolute embarrassment.

[@madeleinedonaldson4422]

This man skirts serious issues.Officials are hypocrites and liars

[@ES-en5xd]

The government should be held accountable for any person who dies over the winter period. Shame on you Starmer, get out!

[@breigesheppard8339]

WELL SAID 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@AdeboFunkyVoodoo]

@@ES-en5xd why?

[@markbriten6999]

​@@AdeboFunkyVoodoowell because they aren't Tories. Didn't you know if pensioners die under Tories because cuts to NHS etc that's ok BUT he's a Tory so what can you expect

[@stephenwa8443]

Here hear

[@paulrogers9325]

My mum just falls short of the pension credit by a few pound. She will go cold this winter. Shame on u labour

[@joedellamura9015]

Stop giving our money away foreign aid etc and look after our own citizens, people who have paid into a pension all their lives should not be penalised

[@HeatherLocke-k1h]

Couldn’t agree more, perhapes if we weren’t paying billions for illegal immigrants to stay here, there would be more money in the pot to pay pensioners winter fuel, they don’t have the luxury of staying in a warm hotel being well fed

[@IrfanAli-qp1gm]

Don't blame the other - your problems are in 10 and 11 Downing St

[@leonbell5141]

They should cut foreign aid if we don’t have any money 🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mattsandilands6380]

No tax the fuckers that pay their accountants more than they pay HMRC.

[@izalman]

@@leonbell5141 Hand wringers and brown envelope suppliers will block that.

[@meldavis1877]

My mum will be 80 and is already cutting back and she is worried about the winter,how can this be?? I worry about her,Labour is a disgrace and this is evil towards the elderly.

[@christineapplegarth9982]

Well done Victoria! One of the few BBC journalists with real integrity.

[@terry3494]

Yes the only interview I admire from the BBC lately

[@bobbythompson3544]

Victoria, well done girl!

[@jeanbaldock7667]

Well done

[@budweiser600]

She was awful. This is terrible interviewing rubbish. If you're regularly watching the BBC, you are part of the problem.

[@itaomahony502]

Great journalism, top shelf presenter.

[@howardtaffs4570]

At last, a BBC reporter giving a Labour MP a hard time. Never thought I'd see the day. I'd be grateful for links to more like this, if they exist.

[@PYDPIPER]

Pity they stood by for the whole term of the teflon tories.

[@rickatatastan2695]

Derbyshire didn't wake up until Alistair Campbell put a rocket up her. Suddenly she found the balls to grill MPs. Nothing to do with specific party. I also think it's extremely rich to talk about BBC bias while Kuenssberg's presenting their flagship politics show and Farage gets on Question Time to spout his riot-inducing lies nearly every week.

[@G1JFC]

They haven't been this aggressive with a New Government before. For years they have been slaved to the Conservative Party agenda. This proves they're still at it. Breaking News folks. BBC is biased to Right Wing politics now. And has been for longer than you thought. Nadine Dorries changed all that.

[@NastyPasty1123]

@@PYDPIPERdon’t talk cråp , they took great delight in caning the con’s every chance they got. Loaded questions, stacked audiences, bias bias bias.

[@LivingroomTV-me9oz]

You won’t find any hard interview clips like this for the last 14 years. Try looking for clips from the last month or older ones from 15+ years ago.

[@GillMalouf]

Pensioners come from an era where they are proud....MPs are paid a very large salary and make expense claims ...your all a disgrace!

[@somecontrol268]

Pensioners may be proud, but many are also secretive and may not wish to disclose how much they have in shares, savings etc. You can’t assume all pensioners are without the wit or ability to claim their benefits if it would make a difference.

[@markpatchett3542]

What an absolute joke of a politician! We, as the British public, need to oust this government

[@kevinxxxx]

I miss my mum and dad every single day but at the same time I’m so relieved they not here to witness what’s happening to this country

[@gailfinney910]

That is so sad...bless you x

[@kevinxxxx]

@@gailfinney910 thank you X🙏

[@sharronsmith-vc5lg]

As much as I miss my parents like you I’m glad they they don’t have to worry about eating or heating

[@kevinxxxx]

@@sharronsmith-vc5lg we all have to take care of are elderly and are elderly neighbours making sure they got food and some sort off heating take care of yourself and your family x

[@gillianmcmullan6023]

British pensions are not enough to keep body and soul together.

[@davidbarlow350]

25th worst in the world,from the 5/6th largest economy. Every European Country pays at least double the UK pension. It's a pity that none of the pensioner organisation can be bothered to do anything.

[@trildi]

@@davidbarlow350 Check you statement, it is 100% incorrect. ''Every European country pays at least double the UK pension?'' 😆

[@davidbarlow350]

The majority pay at least double and many pay a lot more. None of them are the world's 5/6th largest economy,so what point are you trying to make,apart from trying to score Brownie points?

[@SKYViv]

I may have to start watching Newsnight again to see these lefty presesenters, through gritted teeth, ask these types of questions of their preferred socialist government politicians.😊

[@terryhayward7905]

You can survive on the British Pension, as long as you never venture outside you door, do not spend on "luxuries" like a TV or a computer. Buy your food at Aldi, NEVER go out for a meal, or order in a pizza, Just sit at home waiting to die.

[@owenbutcher1954]

Put Him and the Labour Party in Prison, LONG TERM

[@Krytern]

So the Tories should also go into prison right?

[@wasp1827]

​@@KryternThey're both as bad as each other

[@Krytern]

@@wasp1827 Precisely.

[@firefight5864]

With the addition of a sound judicial flogging with a rattan cane delivered by a team of young gym trained men

[@bobneaves3797]

Why should winter fuel payment go to MP'S on their huge salary and on their 2nd homes? Ask the MP's NOT to claim their winter fuel payment!

[@tracehiliffe761]

I genuinely don't know the answer to this, but is child benefit means tested🤔If it isn't, then how many MPs are claiming it? Do they need it? I'm a pensioner who is just above the threshold for Pension credit. I was sleeping in my daytime clothes last winter because my home was SOOO cold. I was heating my bathroom with tea lights!!!! I can't even imagine what this winter is going to be like because I am actually FRIGHTENED at the thought of the weather turning cold this year. I worked all my life, I paid my taxes, I pais my NI. Where is the justice? How many illegal migrants will be heating their hotel rooms with tealights this winter? How many will be living on batches of home made soup? How many will be sleeping in their clothes because it's too cold to get undressed? This is the UK 2024!!!!! Great job Starmer. And this is just the beginning. If this is the way the leader of a democracy behaves then God help us if we get a dictator.

[@johnjoe5860]

Migrants have nothing to do with it! It's the governments fault not the migrants. The government wants you to think that way to hide there own incompetence! Don't let them turn you into a pawn! 💯

[@deborahrushton6260]

@@chrissheppard342 Yes you can - a lot of people use them in greenhouses as well. It's not a lot of heat, but it is better than the alternative.

[@suemawson9575]

That dictatorship has now arrived.

[@lizmcewan1485]

@@tracehiliffe761 I'm so grateful that I'll still be entitled to both WFA and the WHD but I feel guilty too. I firmly believe that this government which is meant to support those that worked and even those that couldnt work bc of illness has turned against the working man. When Starmer is asked about this new policy he puts on his sad face but you can tell its an act. If they had been honest during their campaign about these cuts and who was going to suffer they wouldn't have wone 1 single vote. Whst is it with Politicians that they seem incapable of telling the truth. But this cynical attack on the sick and elderly is disgusting 🤬

[@sheenasmith6634]

Illegal immigrants don't live in hotels. If you are illegal, you aren't eligible for anything, but why are you attacking people whose fault it is not? People are making millions off hostel contracts. Tory mates, one of Churchills grandsons made 30 million in 8 years, the CEO of Clear springs is on track to be a billionaire off the back of it. That is the Tories doing, along with the massive fraud during Covid. Asylum seekers and refugees are as poor as you. We are all being exploited, blame those who caused it all.

[@denniswinters3096]

If you try to apply for pension credits ( at Gov.UK ) you will find they make it as difficult as possible for most people to apply. It is unbelievably disingenuous of the government to keep trotting this answer out. The cancelling of pensioners' Winter fuel payments is one of the most spiteful acts of any government I can think of. I can't believe a LABOUR government has done this. They should be deeply ashamed.

[@suecharnock9369]

Go to Age Concern - they are brilliant and help you fill in the funds

[@wormfriend5625]

Shame on Labour and Starmer, even worse that he has accepted £20000 to get clothes and glasses, I am absolutely disgusted.

[@sarahsaggers6777]

I need new spectacles two fillings and a cap on a tooth... Maybe with his £20k he could throw £1500 my way so I can afford to see and not have tooth ache?!

[@meganhuggins7494]

My glasses are five years old. I love reading but haven’t been able to read a book for three years. As for dental treatment, I go for check ups, but can’t afford treatment🤷‍♀️

[@bonnieandclyde222]

​@@meganhuggins7494chemists have some very good reading glasses, 6.99, or if possible get your prescription from opticians and get some from an online site some are good prices 6 for frames I got some recently with a discount, 24 including postage

[@valeriejackson7659]

I simply cannot understand why Starmer accepted £20k to buy himself clothes and glasses. Surely on his salaries he can afford to buy his own clothes. What is the rationale behind that donation? Of course it doesn't surprise because here's a man who is anti-monarchist but accepts a knighthood from the monarch.

[@sarahsaggers6777]

@@meganhuggins7494 the same for me.

[@drstrangelove4998]

Meanwhile MPs are claiming £1,000s in heating allowances, whilst working class pensioners are under attack, shamelessly by a man with a gigantic KC’s TAX FREE pension. This weasel you are interviewing looks embarrassed, he should be deeply ashamed…😡

[@andrewrose7800]

This bloke is a waste of airtime. She could interview any member of the government and they'd give the same hopeless bland reply, making difficult hard decisions. This is meaningless, its not hard or difficult to make these decisions, as those who the decisions are aimed at are defenceless. This all smacks of spire and cowardice.

[@EssexLadOutdoors]

They all use the “difficult decision” , “tough choices”, as though we should all admire them for it 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jeanbonner]

If this was a tough decision why are they all saying the same thing puppets on a string comes to mind glad I didn't vote for them

[@IrfanAli-qp1gm]

I had to double check - this is a BBC journalist doing her job.

[@gwendolineknox784]

I agree. Victoria Derbyshire asking searching questions on behalf of the BBC Wow!!!!!

[@mrp1115]

An excellent journalist who happens to work for the BBC..

[@everydayevents.5265]

I know i'm totally shocked too.

[@terryhayward7905]

It is just a real shame that she did not get ONE answer from him, just noise.

[@warrior9085]

The BBC are starting to realise that their future is on the line,labour will not last 5 years and any following administration will cut funding to the bbc.

[@aroberts8127]

£10 Bn to the unions, £8 Bn to overseas climate projects, Yet pensioners suffer. It will be motorists, homeowners and the recently bereaved that are hit next.

[@alexr5557]

Good interview Victoria - Thank you. Didn’t expect to see this type of interview on the BBC.

[@trevorbax9379]

Neither did l in fact it was a pleasant shock.l hope she doesn't get into trouble with her leftwing company or indeed the government ss.

[@Jenjenilou]

It comes to something when those on a low income are better looked after by a Conservative government than they are by a Labour government. Bloody disgrace.

[@julieturner5281]

I seem to remember the Tory’s saying means testing this payment would be counter productive, they wanted all pensioners to get it, those who have paid NI and those , for whatever reason , have not . Isn’t this a more socialist stance than labours cruel new policy .

[@william_marshal]

Really, you mean like the 2.5% on VAT in 2010 ... Joker !!!

[@lambd5578]

Full credit to Victoria for actually behaving like a competent, enquiring, journalist. Almost unbelievable that this is the BBC. keep this up Victoria for all our sakes. BBC will probably dispense with your services.

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

THey tried after her Grenfell stance but too much opposition was mounted.

[@howdan1985]

Agreed! Nearly fell off my chair watching a BBC journalist actually be tough and enquiring unlike all the other "nodding dogs" there

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

.......yep - I tuned in and was very pleasantly surprised to see & hear Victoria's staunch & completely understandable comments & view point. Well done Victoria!!!!

[@amandanunn9489]

He really does no know what is happened in the real world. They are giving their cronies jobs and paying them out of the winter flue allowance. They really do not care about the pensioners. Well done Victoria for putting on the spot he really did flounder.

[@lizmcewan1485]

My friend is 61 and bc of severe health issues needs to have a warm home, she spends most days in winter she spends in bed bc its the only place thats warm. If I go over to visit her she hands me a blanket to keep me warm. She got the winter fuel allowance last year but not this year as she's not a oensioner and doesn't get PC. I've spoken to her nearly every single day trying to calm.her down. She firmly believes that someone will find her dead at home this wintet. Starmer kept tbis raid on pensioners quiet when he was looking for votes. Him and his party should be kicked out of office. The Labour Party can't be trusted🤬

[@ellebee6712]

And they are going to means test the State pension, just watch them . . . We worked too hard and saved too much so it needs to be taken from us. The baby boomers are now pensioners.

[@sarahprice1375]

I'm 63 and the same it's awful

[@lizmcewan1485]

@@sarahprice1375 I'm so so sorry that you are having to go through the same thing, if you're like my best friend you will be worried sick. My biggest fear is not the Winter Fuel payment but the Warm Home Discount bc that will really push me over the edge. I'll get the WFP as I'm 67 & on PC and whilst it helps tbe fact that Labour immediately went after the sick and elderly. How about the larger pay hikes to their rich pals? Go after them as they can afford it plus maybe MP's take a pay drop to help out as well? I'll pray for you that they'll do a U turn on this 👍🙏🙏🙏

[@sarahprice1375]

@@lizmcewan1485 thank you xx

[@mairiconnell6282]

I could be your friend that is what I do.

[@jexxajess6837]

Oh my, I've stepped in to a parallel universe, the BBC are arguing with Labour and telling them that they're wrong.. What's happening?????

[@SusanWilliams-fg1ch]

It's fab😂😂

[@jonovens7974]

the status quo.....you must have been under a rock for the last 14 years.

[@sidnotvicious8442]

@@jonovens7974 Eh?????

[@edwardtreadwell3859]

Incredible!. The BBC have been appalled too!. Whatever next?.

[@Mar11932]

It's the Labour party in name only.

[@MichaelStevens-f7v]

Victoria has got this man beaten

[@scottneil1187]

How?, do you think he cares?, has he done or said anything to make you think he's 'beat', he'll just get on with it and ignore the event, it's just words.

[@KernowekTim]

No. Victoria has simply exposed him and his type. No party has been worth the vote for decades, in my old-timer opinion. Brave men died, that these gits might live. Sad, hey.

[@davidfisher9026]

'Man' ? Not really.

[@rainbow-shine6946]

No - she could have asked about his heating allowance?

[@NoreenGoundry-iy4pb]

Go for it lady, you put him in a corner, he really squirmed to give you answers!!!!!!!

[@lynnesouthall6458]

Instead of hounding pensioners maybe he should stop paying MPs bonuses,stop foreign aid,and stop paying benefits to illegals..its costing 7million a day to keep illegals in hotels that money should go to helping our own

[@markbriten6999]

And you should be thrown out of your house so We can house asylum seekers in it. That would save a few bob. Oh and rad a book the only illegals are those overstaying their visas.

[@deestream3927]

yes its time to do some in-house, housekeeping keir. it's not one rule for you and one rule for the British people

[@lightweightben]

Pension costs £340 million a day, that’s the biggest cost in the welfare bill and it’s only set to grow. They need to massively reduce that liability. £7m is peanuts compared.

[@PamelaD963]

@@lightweightbenthose illegals will get pensions too at some point …

[@janetbell4985]

People have paid in all their working lives, for their pensions hence having to have 35 years national ins stamps

[@moose6676]

Who ever voted Labour I hope your proud of yourself, as this wasn’t in the Labour Manifesto. An absolute disaster.

[@dicaniowhu]

Very proud. No more government bribes for all pensioners just to get their vote. Those on the lowest income should get more help, not just pensioners . I do think using pension credit as a measure is too low for the winter fuel payment. However, there are too many wealthy and financially comfortable pensioners who don't need this payment. My next door neighbour is loaded, he doesn't need winter fuel payment. My in laws are on fabulous final salary pensions they don't need it. I can give more examples of how this money is wasted and just pays for golf club membership

[@veronicakelly3245]

@moose6676 The manifesto what was in it was a load of lies. It's what they didn't put in it that was the biggest problem . Although their views and actions had been pre planned. Strange how Starmer when he was DPP refused to prosecute all the grooming gangs and protected the Muslim rioters from prosecution.

[@Onthemove6801]

If none of these decisions was in the manifesto then voters cannot be held responsible. It's the lying Labour bar stewards who should be held to account for hoodwining the public into voting for them. Perhaps those who voted Labour and now have a Labour MP should write to him/her/it and make their feelings known.

[@waldi4523]

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[@RgjDj1878]

@@dicaniowhua bribe? What like, promising not remove it and then removing it as soon as they get in. Promising something and not following through is worse than a bribe. Can find money for their MPs to hear their homes and second homes. Send money to foreign wars, net zero etc. You’re disgusting and traitorous.

[@judithsnowdon7611]

So if your £5 over & not entitled to pension credits your supposed to be able to pay your fuel bills. Maybe stop sending so much money to countries that really don’t need it. Disgusting

[@maureendavidson4635]

@judith. Most of those countries do need financial aid but nobody checks whether the money goes to the people or gets diverted to corrupt politicians.

[@buggerlugz6753]

that'd be government bribes.....so that won't happen.

[@suerasbridge8494]

Yes look after our own first

[@kree8100]

You can claim pension credit if you or your partner are disabled upto £81 a week so please put claim in

[@maureengreenin2727]

This is the problem with this or any other government that they do not assess average cost of living to households, based on number of people in that household, look up what banks use when looking at creditors income/outgoings called Trigger Figures. The government is penalising those who cannot claim pension credits because they are receiving let’s say £220 pw but this will take them less than £2.00 pw annually this is £104 making them £196 worse off. PENNY PINCHING OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE. The other idea is to start charging drivers per mile, so I assume that this will be based on when the annual MOT (for cars over 3 years old) especially as it appears the computer system for info on cars is probably the best the government have. Where will they get the info for the brand new cars I wonder

[@JeanMorgan-y8v]

MPs should give up their substantial heating allowance on second homes, everyone who works within Westminster pays full price for food and alcohol they consume, it’s a scandal that this happens.

[@margaretminns3971]

A genuine journalist, the rest could learn a lot from Victoria Derbyshire.

[@vs1399]

Stop taking taxpayer money for second home maintenance and costs. Stop paying £500 to politicians to walk to work. Stop it, just stop ahhhhhhhh

[@davidbailey4544]

Why do MPs always say its a tough decision while they on £80k to £90k +plus expenses. They dont CARE about anyone else its its the old saying:-- I'm OK jack 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@MikeC1965]

They are saying that a pensioner on £11k a year doesn’t need a winter allowance, but a government minister on £161k does. That is fair ? Bull shit. Two tier Starmer you make sure you’re all toasty this winter while the old and frail freeze to death. Never mind rivers of blood, blood on their hands is what they will have.

[@trubritain]

It's true to say that we've had some bad governments but we've never had a truly evil one, until now.

[@Tia-Louisa]

Well we know who's pulling the strings behind him. Watch and see.

[@markbriten6999]

Fucking hell . You've forgotten the last 10 years.

[@user-nb9px9cm4p]

Victoria will be getting the sack for not toeing the BBC left line. Well done her.

[@shauneden4229]

Let's see her investigating xs deaths.

[@firestar7774]

She has improved!

[@Ichioku]

No she won't, it's all theatre.

[@Krytern]

I find it hilarious that you right wingers call the BBC left while the left wingers all them right. Try thinking for yourself instead of what your tribe tells you to think. You'll be better off.

[@iclaudius2534]

@@Ichioku In order to keep her job.

[@martindonnellymus]

I’m happy to accept the austerity if the politicians are willing to live on the amount of money they are suggesting we pensioners live on !

[@mauvefleur4901]

MPs are allowed to have winter fuel allowance but not the pensioners. So in another words you pensioners are not human being.

[@daveyboy6934]

Absolute horrible person. Shame on him and labour. Victoria Derbyshire is class.

[@iandale8762]

Excellent questioning by Ms Derbyshire! We need people like her to help us all have the confidence to challenge this traitorous government en masse!

[@michaelcopson9251]

To pull the rug on the fuel allowance is totally unacceptable from a labour government, nothing to do with a black hole in the finances it was there intention all long. No longer supporting labour.

[@johnsidwell2241]

Don't recall seeing that in their manifesto

[@cehlattin]

Brilliant interview he was totally out of his depth and couldn't answer. That is a minister. God help us all.