What is YOUR opinion? If you don't agree with our list let us know your top 5!
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
@Uchechi Godwin-Offor dang right 😂😂😂
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
Koopa junior has a pretty good recovery with tons of mixups
@Alibaba-id1cs4 жыл бұрын
Wait Meta Knight and Bayonetta is in this game?
@rafaelvial77374 жыл бұрын
Well, I'd put Snake as an Honorable Mention? Or swap him for ZSS
@paparoes40084 жыл бұрын
What about Pac-Man's recovery shouldn't it atleast get an honorable mension?
@ballisticboo78084 жыл бұрын
Imagine being a giant space dragon with huge wings and only being able to fly in four directions
@frankzatank73824 жыл бұрын
@crystalblade13 also backwards up-b goes upwards somewhat so he can turn around with his 3rd jump and backwards up-b to mix-up when recovering.
@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor34504 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the most requested character in smash history since Brawl and no one caring about you a week after the game releases.
@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor34504 жыл бұрын
@crystalblade13 I underselled him, Ridley is fun, it’s awesome to see him in smash, and a lot of people play him. I’m just saying that for such a requested character, he barely got that much love from the community. The same could be said for K Rool and Banjo. Super highly requested characters, yet they quickly fell out of popularity
@cartmondey2024 жыл бұрын
firstly i thought u meant yoshi
@typememe76864 жыл бұрын
stop
@SomeGuyNamedTea4 жыл бұрын
I love how the top 3 characters were all the best/ broken characters in their debut games. Pikachu (N64), Metaknight (Brawl), and Bayonetta (Smash 4).
@KevSB074 жыл бұрын
G/W was also broken in his debut
@newspider56934 жыл бұрын
@@KevSB07 man...
@dyssonpitcher6124 жыл бұрын
And Pikachu is broken again I. ultimate D:
@KevSB074 жыл бұрын
@@newspider5693 lol
@sonte50503 жыл бұрын
wasn't kirby the best in 64? idk much about that game but that's what i've heard
@luckuru-sama14164 жыл бұрын
A new video that feels somewhat nostalgic
@thatonecanto4 жыл бұрын
I remember watching the smash 4 one
@kib98334 жыл бұрын
True
@radiaz1214 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: spamming A on Steve's recovery cancels it and allows him to snatch to ledge easier. This helps Steve recover in scenarios like 10:12. It doesn't look it, but that was survivable.
@SteelWolf84 жыл бұрын
Does he go into free fall after it cancels or can he still attack and place blocks?
@radiaz1214 жыл бұрын
@@SteelWolf8 He goes into freefall
@XiuHang4 жыл бұрын
You can also change the angle to extend Steve's vertical recovery even further. I don't know why it works, but Steve's Up special has some extreme vertical range.
@julo_ghost4 жыл бұрын
You can thx Mew2King for that.
@Toxik_Dubz4 жыл бұрын
Exactly...not sure why they glossed over that. It makes Steves Up-B recovery MUCH better. They also missed the laying TNT on top of a block which allows you to stall off stage longer because the block disappears as if there is nothing on it making it last 4 times as long as just standing on the block itself. Not sure but I don't believe they patched either one of these out.
@healmore87164 жыл бұрын
Let’s all be honest Little Mac’s KO punch is the best recovery in the game
@wackkkman51694 жыл бұрын
yes
@mikeychrisanthus99484 жыл бұрын
It sends a message
@gamesandluigifan71524 жыл бұрын
So broken you have to build a meter to use it
@DerXXLMario4 жыл бұрын
I agree with that
@ABAgamer_4 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone says it!
@zitoarias43544 жыл бұрын
I feel Pac-Man should be a contender tbh homie can stall forever being a mix god for recovery IMO great vid btw
@dj_senf67414 жыл бұрын
Yeah, me too. I guess it can be exploitable at times but I would've at least expected an honourable mention
@echo12794 жыл бұрын
He has two options side b or up b. Yrs one has super armor but if you hit the mega pellet away before he can get to it he stops his side b and can't use it again. His only other option is to use up b which can either be broken before he lands on it again making him go into free fall. Of course this is kind of hard to do since you could get hit by his recovery but projectiles I feel destroy his recovery considering they also damage the trampoline as well. So yeah pac man can stall and recover from very low but the cons outweigh the pros.
@Amalga4 жыл бұрын
@@echo1279 he has so many options to avoid these things though, tons of mixups with how he angles side-B (you can literally just loop it behind yourself to avoid having it get hit as a mixup), plus being able to stall with Hydrant and Fruit. Trampoline is also very very hard to exploit considering how fast it is, and how often times Pac-Man will rarely ever be in a position where he has to rely on all three bounces since he has so many other options for making it back
@vick78684 жыл бұрын
@@echo1279 this is not true. With how many directions it goes in addition to distance, plus the fact that you can easily put the Pellet in a place that it can't really be touched, it is insanely hard to challenge in the right hands. That alone could make it a contender for number one, let alone factoring in Trampoline and Hydrant stalling.
@echo12794 жыл бұрын
@@vick7868 and @Amalga Unfortunately the pellet will most likely end up pointing at the ledge anyways. And yes the hydrant gives a little boost but the end lag on it would lower him a little more than would have if he just used his up or side b. Now don't get me wrong I'm not dissing his recovery, it's amazing and hard to challenge so it should have at least gotten an honorable mention, but the flaws would keep it out of top five. But yeah not trying to say it's bad I've gotten gimped multiple times trying to challenge it.
@migo15594 жыл бұрын
pac-man's recovery should have been an honorable mention, change my mind
@scylla17724 жыл бұрын
Up b insanely easy to exploit, side b is okay but counter able, and can be stopped by simply destroying the dot. Admittedly I do not know what the cutoff for honorable mention is, tho, so point may be moot
@migo15594 жыл бұрын
@@scylla1772 up b is easy to exploit alone, but mixed with side B's superarmor is pretty good. It's also the only spike counter in the game (excluding actual counters)
@marcov48674 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Pac-Man so when he wasn't an honorable mention I was sure he was going to be #1. Apparently not
@ezra60944 жыл бұрын
Projectiles?
@migo15594 жыл бұрын
@@ezra6094 what about them?
@yan_dj4 жыл бұрын
This feels like the smash 4 videos. [Insert "but be careful" here]
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
The spin animation...
@arstulex4 жыл бұрын
What video is that originally from? I remember they referenced it in a Smash Review episode and joked about how he talked in the older videos, can't seem to find it though.
@eaa13384 жыл бұрын
@@arstulex just search “beefy smash dudes spin animation”
@arstulex4 жыл бұрын
@@eaa1338 I meant the origin if the "but be careful" joke. I think I found it now anyway, it's from Smash Review 23
@Alex-ud6kv4 жыл бұрын
Pressing A at the apex of Steve's recovery enables enhanced magnet hands and would have allowed him to grab the ledge
@williamdiamant4574 жыл бұрын
Magnet feet* haha
@spry99534 жыл бұрын
Also as prove by M2K, if done right, Steve can recover from bottom corners by having the model be "flat"
@amaze_z19534 жыл бұрын
Petition for Questionable Beef with screw attack Bayonetta
@theshadowspider974 жыл бұрын
Screw attack Bayo is broken, if used right. Jump, witch twist, jump, 2nd witch twist kills by itself without needing fair to finish. Works best at low percents. I love screw attack Bayo.
@echo12794 жыл бұрын
That sounds like hell
@PalpitoadPlus4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Rasminger4 жыл бұрын
screw it
@TheFluffyHyena3 жыл бұрын
OH HELL YES
@alextema0074 жыл бұрын
10:13 let me present you: PRESS A TO MORE VERTICAL DISTANCE
@Gabi-ij7ug4 жыл бұрын
and angle down on the middle of his up b for go very high
@minecraftsteve15933 жыл бұрын
Yes. If you miss the edge by a bit as Steve, mash buttons to take off the elytra so you get sent up a bit
@KorethTMG4 жыл бұрын
Hero: *laughs in zoom*
@doomsdaygaming99284 жыл бұрын
Lol true, it's only weakness is RNG
@marche8004 жыл бұрын
@@doomsdaygaming9928 And even then he has a higher chance of getting zoom off stage.
@beatfoxgonzalez51994 жыл бұрын
❤
@4xzx44 жыл бұрын
@@marche800 Around 53% to be exact. Though it has 30 frames (iirc) of start-up before the intangibility starts, so he can still be hit out of it if you are near him or have a projectile.
@jerryakatony57244 жыл бұрын
But it’s too unreliable
@BirdOfCreation4 жыл бұрын
With how frequent the swordies are, I have to say Bayo not snapping the ledge with her upb makes her far worse.
@Canti894 жыл бұрын
As a bayo main I'm surprised they didn't mention that.
@N120154 жыл бұрын
Still top 5 material, just worse than Pikachu and Meta Knight.
@raymondwest15224 жыл бұрын
Thing is though, (High GSP Bayonetta, no tournament experience) if you kept your jump stored, you have all your twists back, so you can recover high and cross any which way. Bayonetta is REALLY tough to edgeguard Edit: auto correct errors, whoops
@Xearrik4 жыл бұрын
10:10 Wait. How do you guys not know about Steve's Up Special techs? You can actually vertically recover from almost anywhere with it.
@HeavyHebi4 жыл бұрын
ikr it seems they haven't
@PascalProducers4 жыл бұрын
that is what i was wondering too
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
This feels like an old video they uploaded to fill some sort of gap. It's so weird
@linkpwnz32914 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@donovanmahan29014 жыл бұрын
He could recover from the bottom corner with his double jump and some iron.
@superfrubblez61234 жыл бұрын
10:30 am I the only one who thought they were gonna say incineroar for a split second?
@loliwolf96964 жыл бұрын
Me lol, it isnt as bad as people make it seems but he definitely not making it back if he doesnt have his secound jump
@miguellarmed344 жыл бұрын
LOL me
@Artemisfoxangel4 жыл бұрын
No Pacman no the list!? Thats insane, he has one of the Best recoveries on the game and has many posibilities to reach the plataform
@blip78824 жыл бұрын
for more vertical distance as Steve: mash A at the end and aim down at the start THEN up he can basically recover from anywhere due to these things
@Nyahahameha4 жыл бұрын
Tsukasa Tawada did just as amazing a job on Pokemon Battle Revolution's soundtrack as he did on Colosseum's and Gale of Darkness', but nobody remembers that game exists so I never hear those songs used in videos. Thank you for including one during the Pikachu segment. :D
@itsmevarnami4 жыл бұрын
I remember sunny park very well
@bluyu4 жыл бұрын
It's funny how they don't know about Steve's up b tech that allows you to literally recover from the bottom blastzone/corner of the stage without the use of his double jump
@luiscarlosmairenasiu71424 жыл бұрын
How?
@erratasss_4 жыл бұрын
They showed Steve's up B tech at 9:36. That is what you're talking about right?
@MrSimenGrymy4 жыл бұрын
@@erratasss_ thats not a tech. here is an example: Steve is under the stage, and his recovery alone wouldnt snatch the ledge. But if you spam A while recovering upwards steves body goes kinda to the side. Like this " / ". His legs touches the ledge and he is able to grab it. Its a weird tech and not sure why it works. but his recovery gets times better because of it. If you're confused what i meant u should check out M2K
@erratasss_4 жыл бұрын
@@MrSimenGrymy oh yeah I know that tech. I was thinking of Steve's "infinite" recovery
@_127N3 жыл бұрын
Well He can get spiked No Matter what
@indecisitivity18324 жыл бұрын
I literally blinked when cFive said “if you blink he’ll be onstage” and well what do you know he was right
@justjoshin9564 жыл бұрын
When they said “here’s our number 1” the first thing i saw was incineroar. I was slightly confused.
@kirbyyoshi34314 жыл бұрын
Thought I would see Pac-Man at least in the honorable mentions.
@kyresd4 жыл бұрын
Pac man is super easy to beat though
@lucasevans56404 жыл бұрын
TRUE
@julo_ghost4 жыл бұрын
No. You can just destroy the Pac-gum and then steel his trampoline
@Had0k3n2X4 жыл бұрын
True but they probably didnt know that you pac man has several ways to recover that are situational such as if he's knocked offstage and someone is holding a fruit he can use the empty puff of air to slow his fall or change direction
@julo_ghost4 жыл бұрын
@@Had0k3n2X Pac-main right!?
@RiskierGoose3403 жыл бұрын
10:14 Actually, steve can grab the ledge at this second by pressing attack, which nudges him up a little but puts him in free fall early. Source: steve main.
@user-ds3bh4jt6r4 жыл бұрын
I think Inkling or Pacmans are way better than every honorable mention.
@chordalharmony4 жыл бұрын
PAC, probably. Inking, no I don’t think so. Only one upwards recovery move, and limited angles. Still a great recovery though
@user-ds3bh4jt6r4 жыл бұрын
@@chordalharmony Sheik and Steve dont have two either. And you can use roller as a third jump back every time you get hit. You can basically always recover and the only weakness ar long lasting moves and two frames as they consistantly punish going low (wich is Inklings brst option but you naver have to do it).
@chordalharmony4 жыл бұрын
@@user-ds3bh4jt6r Which to a point means Steve’s is just a better version. Plus there’s a glitch for Steve’s recovery that give him insane height, allowing him to come from anywhere with only elytra basically. Although I didn’t know about getting a jump back. And both shiek and Steve have a large set of angles on their up b’s, so snapping to ledge with it can happen even above the stage. Not the same for inking. But still, it is a really good recovery
@user-ds3bh4jt6r4 жыл бұрын
@@chordalharmony Sheiks recovery is probably better but i dont really believe in Steves its pretty easy to edgeguard his upB imo its so slow.
@chordalharmony4 жыл бұрын
@@user-ds3bh4jt6r it’s debatable either way. They are bit pretty good
@StephenSiu4 жыл бұрын
*mentions ZSS Marss has left the chat.
@Minister_of_Magic_19974 жыл бұрын
B tier recovery at best
@afranticperson3 жыл бұрын
i mean its the only thing zss is good at. her edgeguarding is mediocre, ok mobility, idk probably a low mid tier
@xnelga50003 жыл бұрын
@@afranticperson you underestimate ZSS
@afranticperson3 жыл бұрын
@@xnelga5000 whooosh
@xnelga50003 жыл бұрын
@@afranticperson xD
@_Uptilt4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the 4 top spots weren't really a contest. I put Pac-Man in 5th on my list, likely because I'm so bad at abusing the weaknesses of his recovery. Still feel like he deserves an honorable mention though!
@doomsdaygaming99284 жыл бұрын
Fr, the horizon and vertical distance are insane, the only issue is both side b and up b can get screwed by nakitas
@N120154 жыл бұрын
I remember a Tea (Pac-Man) vs Leon-(Bowser) fight, a in grand finals notheless. In a moment Bowser does a Bowsercide against Pac-Man. Result: Bowser died, Pacman recovered from that even when he got hit by Bowser's claw and Leon lost that set and it was a reset as a result (Leon still won that tournament).
@vick78684 жыл бұрын
@@doomsdaygaming9928 even then its hard since Pac has such an insane amount of mixups.
@rasauulwashington88353 жыл бұрын
@@N12015 Kirby could even recover from that
@masterwoo43593 жыл бұрын
Cant agree really with meta knight tho he's not brael meta
@engranger_ssbu4 жыл бұрын
*Looks at title Oh yay they finally going to awknowledge my main! *Cries in jigglypuff
@scylla17724 жыл бұрын
I was a bit surprised about that, but at the end of the day, her side b can't protect her nearly enough
@grapesalad_4 жыл бұрын
*Cries in Villager
@DaDMonDCB4 жыл бұрын
They focus mostly on Up Special (looking at MK and G&W), and Jiggs is kinda screwed there.
@yukimori77624 жыл бұрын
*Cries in Daisy main*
@tituswaugh43674 жыл бұрын
**cries in steve main cuz steve actually has a better recov than bayonett and the rest on the list** even tho it's his opinion i still think that steve has an advantage when it comes to recovering like a friking godlike being compared to others
@TheSattocs4 жыл бұрын
It’s worth mentioning that Pikachu’s quick attack is so fast that you can easily avoid a lot of Final Smashes after they have already been activated in your face.
@meta044 жыл бұрын
1600/7650 Pac-Man is missing My analysis: 8/4/8/6/4. Range/Mobility go hand-in-hand, and having a side-B and an up-B that both go ridiculously far _and_ a wall jump? Anyway, side-B is powerful enough that it can be used as a combo finisher onstage for a KO, and up-B (while it doesn't come out frame 1 anymore) is pretty fast (his fastest OOS by two frames, and he has a really fast nair). It might be vulnerable to counters, but if camping with offstage bonus fruit has taught me anything, it's that nobody tries to challenge it, and his mobility is good enough to avoid nikita pretty well. The only thing he's really missing is a reflector, which is why I switch to G&W when I play against Ness or Steve or any of those other characters with massive energy balls. (Most of my SDs come out of forgetting I don't have a jump-you can only cancel Bonus Fruit with jump or airdodge.)
@dan.t.hillary4 жыл бұрын
I think I need a whole video just explaining bayo's recovery.
@Matanumi3 жыл бұрын
Its bullshit....and not even worth understandimg because bayo is such ass in ultimate. Basically you have to use up special before frame 4 of your double jump gets burned... really hard to time correctly
@diamond_enderman5683 жыл бұрын
For Steve’s recovery, if you do up special, you can flick the joy stick downward right after and Steve will move a lot higher facing horizontally. And for bonus height, you can spam the dodge button and his legs will just barely reach higher. This can be very useful for when you are right underneath the ledge
@Ludvix4 жыл бұрын
if only i can recover from my crippling depression
@Matanumi3 жыл бұрын
Play sd remix
@Itsame149 ай бұрын
woah a verified comment not at the top
@fluffalleo91493 жыл бұрын
1. If you tilt Steve's recovery during start, it will count it as going downwards when going upwards gaining about 6 tiles. If you spam is recovery you can gain an extra 4 tiles I think. 2. Spamming tnt and Steve minecart you gain a lot of height. 3. Pacman nor snake didn't get mentioned he can recover from anywhere.
@Pepeutra3 жыл бұрын
snake's recovery is really predictable and edgeguardable, i don't agree with it but with pacman's i agree
@WorstOneFred4 жыл бұрын
C5 while describing zss: her one move that makes her recovery really good is THE FLIP JUMP... Me:.... wait is that ACTUALLY how it's called??? I thought it was flip kick or boost kick?!?!
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
Boost kick is Up B, you can see the rockets under her shoes BOOST her up. Down B doesn't use those thrusters
@WorstOneFred4 жыл бұрын
@a guy yeah I realised that but like later
@WorstOneFred4 жыл бұрын
I just fund it funny that I confuse all her moves lmao
@OniiChanPls4 жыл бұрын
I missed these kinds of videos a lot from you guys! it's what originally made me a subscriber and a fan in the first place!
@raincastmusic4 жыл бұрын
Isabelle and Villager’s recovery is amazing
@fantastic_jarod2391 Жыл бұрын
It’s super exploitable though
@alexssb50234 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree on ROB‘s placement. It‘s main and kinda only weakness is that it‘s slow, and that ROB‘s a big body, so he is vournable to pressure. He still has a ridicolous amount of mixups, however. He can go completely high and then to middle stage if he wants to. His double jump gives him a ton of versatility to combine things like gyro/laser to cover his recovery, as well as having a gyro in hand makes his recovery even harder to deal with. But he can run out of gas, and the ROB player also needs to be pretty good to really make his recovery that hard to deal with. All in all I loved how you guys went into detail with all these recoveries 👍
@ZeoLightning4 жыл бұрын
I disagree with putting ZSS over PAC-MAN. PAC Has so many angles and ways to mix up his recovery, its extremely hard to challenge, even with counters, he can stall Numerous ways, His recovery lets him travel a pretty huge distance and he's one of the only characters like ROB and snake who can recovery high completely and avoid recovering to the ledge entirely, but he has safer landing options than ROB or snake. also I dont think bayo's recovery is as good as you are making it out to be. i still think meta knight has the best recovery in the series. has since brawl
@kyresd4 жыл бұрын
Super easy to beat just be patient and hit him at the right time it's super linear
@natewhitfield93694 жыл бұрын
@@kyresd not against smart pac players
@ZeoLightning4 жыл бұрын
@@kyresd if a PAC is recovering linearly, they aren't recovering good at all
@natewhitfield93694 жыл бұрын
Side b has tons of mix ups and good pac players understand how the armor works, hydrant stalls for timing purposes, up air has a slight float mechanic that actually gains some height, 99% of the time you shouldn’t need the last trampoline
@natewhitfield93694 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just die to opponents throwing out moves and perfectly getting the red tramp, sure, but that happens to the opponents just as often so the pac player gets cheesy stocks
@MayoMopper4 жыл бұрын
Case for Wii fit trainer: + Floaty + Stall with down b and recover hp + Shoot sun to heal, or charge to full, which also go through some of the stage. + Side B above stage, below stage, change timing, use below and hit with up b recovery, and side b on shield to bounce n hit again with timing. +Up b, deceptively can recover pretty low, can change the vertical height speed by mashing, mix up on horizontal movement with chance to stage spike.
@ABAgamer_4 жыл бұрын
Hear me out: Mac has the best recovery because he can drop to the bottom blastzone and come back center stage in an instant.
@williamP13074 жыл бұрын
That 2D at 3:58 man. Love you guys for that.
@Mizticall4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Bayo at #1, her recovery is still INSANE lol
@FSSmash3 жыл бұрын
That pokemon revolution music during pikachus segment ahhhhhh
@dj_senf67414 жыл бұрын
I was expecting Pac-Man on this list.. Now I feel less unfair using him 😅 Also, one could mention wall jump for some of these characters as another mix up option ✌🏼
@tjz31583 жыл бұрын
As a Pac-Man main I felt a little bit insulted
@Santa-Claus-4 жыл бұрын
Actually Steve's recovery (vertical) is much better than you described. If you mash the A button (or any button I believe) while near the ledge from a vertical recovery (up B) will snap you to the ledge from a pretty large distance. On top of that if you quickly angle your joystick from vertical to horizontal Steve will go even higher + you can use the mashing a button that i just mentioned. (I'm not even including the idea of using a minecart to get closer to stage). More about the mashing. Like of you vertically recover with up B ,like you mentioned, at a point it would seem as if you won't make it, this is where the mashing a button will snap you to ledge. What mashing does is: I believe the game treats the elytra "similar" to a grab where if you mash enough you will release yourself from the elytra. This increases your ledge grab range by about 1.5 Minecraft blocks from below the ledge.
@francoandreparraflores14914 жыл бұрын
I already knew that Meta knight have one of the best recoveries but the bad part is that hardly anyone uses it (I main Meta Knight) good video!
@nordaemonn844 жыл бұрын
Same here! Coming into the video I was like "they better have my boi MK on this list." They did not disappoint.
@_127N3 жыл бұрын
If Metaknight was missing on this video I would have Been mad
@Its-amy32373 жыл бұрын
Hey, my character (Mewtwo) also has an amazing recovery yet no one uses him
@smashboo92494 жыл бұрын
GnW can actually use bucket to help horizontal recovery if you use it twice in the air
@gr33nsl33v3s3 жыл бұрын
And throw bacon to defend
@agentkoopa61294 жыл бұрын
C5 have you not seen Mewtwo Kings video on how to recover with Steve correctly upwards. You can recover very high from under the stage by using a certain method while up being. I suggest to check it out on their Channel most valuable gamer
@angusjohnb70144 жыл бұрын
I still don’t think he breaks top 5 best recoveries though. That only solves his vertical distance problem, the problem of no hit box on his recovery and being easily pressured is still relevant
@gothtearz4 жыл бұрын
@@angusjohnb7014 - Exactly, one of their main points was how it was very easy to catch and attack him while he is recovering. Also if he doesn’t have materials he doesn’t have half of his recovery due to no mine-cart
@icicleditor4 жыл бұрын
Mii Gunner’s up-b 3 deserves a honorable mention alone for how many mixups it has, even without a jump.
@IQUILIYAZ3R10 ай бұрын
No pac man?? Not even in honorable mentions???
@SteadyFir20484 жыл бұрын
Byleth has the best tether recovery by far with Up B, its range is huge, can connect with a wall, it reverse edge guards anyone by spiking them and gaining alot of height as well, and it can be used multiple times while in the air of it just doesnt connect but a second one would, and you can instantly snap to ledge to negate edge guards or wait and then snap to dodge any edge guard attempts
@tap76454 жыл бұрын
As a Bayo main I'm honestly so happy people mention her for once.
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
Bruh you're too late, smash 4 was 3 years ago
@tap76454 жыл бұрын
@@YounesLayachi Lmao. Still mad about Smash 4? Get over it. It's another game.
@Canti894 жыл бұрын
I was a bit surprised when she wasn't after not being in the honorable mentions.
@rolandmcrae14494 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say you guys are great content creators for Smash. Videos are well-edited, you're both very knowledgeable at the game, Smash Review skits are A+
@pomatomapo4 жыл бұрын
Pac-Man. Can recover from literally anywhere Can stall with down b Can recover from above Can ledge spike with side B Can move out of side B
@sebastien07gaming954 жыл бұрын
Also, almost immune to spikes with up B. (I say almost because occasionally, normally at high percentages for me, Pac gets hit past the trampoline when spiked)
@cqbjones48614 жыл бұрын
Nah he’s exploitable as heck. If ya projectile the dot his side B is gone. Steal his trampoline. He’s kinda useless after that.
@placeadrien55664 жыл бұрын
@@cqbjones4861 Try to hit that dot when Pac can stall almost forever and launch it from anywhere and still hit the ledge. Pac's recovery is a contender for best in the game due to how mixable it is.
@cqbjones48614 жыл бұрын
@@placeadrien5566 I can and do. Hit that thing with any of my main Link’s projectiles. It’s easy as hell.
@sebastien07gaming954 жыл бұрын
True. I’m a PAC-Main and if a projectile gets the dot before you activate it, then your side B gets deleted. If you activate it early, then you can still make it activate before a projectile hits it. Even then, if the projectile missed, then you practically wasted your side B. If not, you at least get a small amount of distance. If you truly can hit the dot that often, then most PAC’s will just die. Honestly, hitting the dot and jumping on the trampoline when your opponent did it from too far away are very effective ways to destroy Pac-Man if you get them off-stage. While PAC’s recovery is extremely good, if you are able to do those 2 things extremely consistently, wherever your opponent decides to use it, you’ll be able to cheese Pac most of the time.
@CrazyGecko10004 жыл бұрын
If Steve goes flat right after receiving rocket boost he goes insanely high, then cancel it with A to get magnet hands and you'll be recovering from the blast zone ez
@anangryfrog10454 жыл бұрын
The best recovery in the game is actually hero’s zoom
@SeriousStriker4 жыл бұрын
I feel as though that's cheating.
@Toxik_Dubz4 жыл бұрын
This has merit...I would have to agree Hero has one of the strongest recoveries with Zoom. The only thing going against it is the RnG element to getting Zoom off stage but that seems to happen ALL THE TIME so yeah, I agree Hero has one of the best recoveries.
@Toxik_Dubz4 жыл бұрын
@@SeriousStriker It's not cheating it's just RnG
@gr33nsl33v3s3 жыл бұрын
Not with a good ass read
@erikg54583 жыл бұрын
I think i know why bayonetta has so many good combos, and its because his recovery, just put it like this, every attack of hid recovery hits into the next part of it, and you can go arround atage without problem, so, if you do this on a platform it will be extremely easy to deal damage and edge guard
@KorporalKReephdmkiytrecv694 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows Little Mac has the best recovery, it's way too good
@mr.l47704 жыл бұрын
It's literally scientifically proven
@KishinAubrey4 жыл бұрын
his recovery is much better than mine
@farewell41811 ай бұрын
Game and Watch also has a down B technique where off-stage you can open bucket, use your double jump and open bucket again and get a 75% bigger jump than before
@sai.g14 жыл бұрын
Little Mac tho :)
@Kami-qu5lk4 жыл бұрын
Steve can recover very high below the Stage when you hold the Stick up and then at the launch you have to flip your Stick quickly down and release it instantly. Additionally if you spam the a or the airdodge button at the end of the recovery you can snap the ledge easier.
@abrahamlincoln79074 жыл бұрын
I didn't see Zoom on the list. Is this because its based on RNG, because that is actually the best in the game imo
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
I agree
@frankzatank73824 жыл бұрын
It is just too unreliable imo
@blunderberry87724 жыл бұрын
But he could get punished if the opponent predicts where he lands
@blunderberry87724 жыл бұрын
And it doesn't really allow for a reverse edge guard
@YounesLayachi4 жыл бұрын
@@frankzatank7382 not really, it's 50% reliable so you can always go for it first then up B. Even without a jump if you're hit far away/high enough you can open menu out of hitstun, throw a random spell or Nair dodge if you don't find zoom, drift in then up B
@redblu4 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite type of content from you guys
@erikg54584 жыл бұрын
12:29 dude, she just combo being in edge guard .-.
@TheFluffyHyena3 жыл бұрын
Yeah coming off to edgeguard Bayo is just asking to die lmao
@asquirrel16404 жыл бұрын
I think Peach/Daisy definitely deserves at least an honorable mention. She has her up-b, which covers a good amount of vertical distance and can cover an insane amount of horizontal distance, and it has a lasting hit box on the top, making it hard to contest from above. Her side-b is fast, has a hit box, and doesn’t put you in special fall. Her float is good for stalling and moving a large amount horizontally, and you can use her many good aerials while floating to hit opponents trying to edgeguard you. Personally, I think her recovery kit is pretty amazing, with a lot of possible mixups and high mobility in all her moves.
@mdm_topplelock4 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes, the content that brought me to this channel. Nice you see you guys come visit your old ways for a change
@samirkhosrowshahi79283 жыл бұрын
Steve’s Up B is actually much better than you think, the clip you showed with his Up B lacks 2 very important things for him to have the best recovery. If you mash a button after performing the Up B, then it’ll remove Elytra early, actually making you snap to ledge much easier, meaning that you can make it if you’re close. Not only that, but if you let go of the Analog stick immediately after he fires off the rocket for his Up B, he’ll move up, AND forward, and go slightly higher than normal too. Add this to the button mash I described earlier, and he can even recover from the bottom corners of the stage.
@TriglycerideBeware4 жыл бұрын
I really think Pac-Man and Snake at least deserve honorable mentions... maybe even Jiggs, Peach, or Lucario too. There are just so many characters and so much variety that it's going to be practically impossible to make a mostly unanimous list with a cut-off of 5 characters. However I do feel that every character you picked deserves it.
@Cooler1100334 жыл бұрын
Wha-? Jigglypuff's recovery is terrible. While her horizontal recovery is excellent with serious floatinesd and that spammable Side B, she barely gets any height from her jumps, literally has no Up B recovery and, is easily footstooled to death. Her vertical recovery is so weak that I don't think she deserves an honorable mention. Lucario's Up B takes a bit to cook up, like Fox's, which makes it more predictable and literally broadcasts to the opponent, "Okay.... Get ready to attack me... NOW!" It has great range but it's not too difficult to attack him out of it while he's dashing I agree with Peach being pretty great, she might've deserved an honorable mention imo too
@vick78684 жыл бұрын
For real. I honestly think Pac has the best in the game. He just gets all his shit back if he gets hit and has so many more mixups and stalling techniques that anyone in the game.
@Cooler1100334 жыл бұрын
Pac-Man is pretty great too, the Side B is fantastic, though like Zero Suit, I think he can only use it once if he's hit out of it and hasn't touched the stage yet, leaving him with only his Up B His Side B is kinda hard to contest though, so that make it pretty great. You can also draw the path all distorted to stall or mix your opponent up, which is also fantastic, but if he (or maybe it was the pellet) get hit, I think it cancels it, right? As a Pikachu main, I do edgeguard aggressively and have messed up a Pac-Man's Side B before and the pellet and him just drop Leaving him with only the Up B, which has the same problem of broadcasting to your opponent exactly when to spike him since it's extremly predictable. Also if you're good, you can drop down onto Pac-Man's Up B trampoline just before he touches it for the third time so that when he falls on it, it just breaks. Not too hard to do either But yeah, overall Pac Man probably *was* an honorable mention and they just cut it for time or something
@Cooler1100334 жыл бұрын
I think Snake's Up B is kinda weak. There isn't too much variety in it under the stage. Above it or to the side, he's pretty "solid" (ba-dum-tss), but below he suffers from the same predictability factor as he's locked into a rising animation. If you spike him out of the second half of the animation, he won't be glued to the glider like I believe he is the first half, and he really will get spiked to death I know he can cancel it early and air dodge, which helps, and he can also C4 air drop to blow himself back up, but those can't help him in many situations. At high percents the C4 can just kill him instead. Overall I'd say his recovery is just fine. I don't think I'd even give him an honorable mention. It's just a 7/10
@vick78684 жыл бұрын
@@Cooler110033 no, he gets his side B back unless the Pellet itself gets hit, which he can easily protect by putting it behind him.
@youtubeyt56943 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this might be the first smash top 5 that I 100% agree with, I thought meta knight was going to be #1 but I forgot bayo can have like 5 double jumps.
@diegovaldez9274 жыл бұрын
I am offended that Inkling wasn't even on the honorable mentions
@nk47a524 жыл бұрын
inkling has great distance but it is easy to deal with if you have lingering hit boxes and the recovery can be a bit linear without a wall to help stall a bit more having a hit box at the start of the move is nice but their is no hitbox through out so even tho it covers great distance it is easy to catch below the ledge and since inkling needs to go to the ledge they can't really change their course cause landing up b has a lot of lag and the drift after the move is over is not that great
@Splonton4 жыл бұрын
Guys, y'all forgot mii brawler. Soaring axe kick, faint jump, flashing mach punch, burning drop kick. Try it out for yourself, if you know what you're doing, it's essentially un-challengable
@ChroniclZ4 жыл бұрын
Pits is really good its just a bit slow
@kyresd4 жыл бұрын
And had no hotbox with little intangibly making it easy to edgeuard with a longasting hitbox
@ChroniclZ4 жыл бұрын
@@kyresd yeah true
@ahmadkazan79944 жыл бұрын
@@kyresd doesn't it have a hit box in the very start?
@Alibaba-id1cs4 жыл бұрын
@@ahmadkazan7994 it doesn’t
@kyresd4 жыл бұрын
@@ahmadkazan7994 No sadly
@moonwatchereclipse52912 жыл бұрын
The coolest thing about Bayo is when you save your jump and get edgeguarded you get your whole stack of 4 SPECIALS back, an airdodge, and she can wall jump and wall cling. She can literally stay offstage forever if she gets hit once every 15 seconds.
@xpluslegend15254 жыл бұрын
I think 1. Pac Man 2. Dark Pit/ Pit 3. K Rool 4. Byleth 5. lITtLe mAC ( the first 4 im serious about)
@KishinAubrey4 жыл бұрын
k rool is very exploitable, just back air him
@kyresd4 жыл бұрын
These are all just decent except for k rool who's is bad and
@elliotlim80464 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Pit/Dark Pit.... Although the distance is amazing, they can't mixup well and doesnt have a hit box on their Up-Bs which make them open to edgeguarding... Byleth has terrible horizontal recovery.. Once byleth is sent in a terrible downwards angle, she is basically dead
@julo_ghost4 жыл бұрын
Where is Pikachu?
@nintengod69854 жыл бұрын
@@kyresd his recovery is good for a heavyweight, but yea its kinda bad.
@RitualPassion10 ай бұрын
Sora's recovery is INSANE
@JacobSC_4 жыл бұрын
You guys have no idea how much I love the Top 5 videos
@jimmysmash12363 жыл бұрын
10:13 if you spam the sheild buttons after he’s right near the ledge he can cancel his up special and make it here, just thought I’d say that in case you didn’t know or if anyone reading this didn’t know.
I would've suggested Pokemon Trainer as an honorable mention. There are plenty of mixups that can be achieved (mostly through Pokemon switching). If switching from Zard, Squirtle can go for a water gun to push opponents away from you, Ivy can mix up his tether, and Zard has two double jumps, Flare blitz can sometimes catch opponents off guard, and Fly. The only downsides are the complexity being very matchup and stage-dependent, and once you get hit without all your other resources, you can't go far...
@tompeter71710 ай бұрын
Dude you serious?🤨🤨🤨 Inkling isn't even a honorable mention? Inkling Recovery IS insane
@tytytalks17453 жыл бұрын
Mii brawler has a great recover set. He has multiple options and has flipkick and you know how good that is.
@andymcclurg99164 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't want to watch this kind of video on any other channel because you are very informative yet concise.
@ballantyne73495 ай бұрын
I feel like Lucas could be an honourable mention. Yes his up B is super exploitable, however if psy magnet is used correctly, you can tether almost every time mixed in with his awesome double jump. When you do need to use up B, it can get you back to ledge from almost anywhere and it’s techable on the stage in order to mixup your opponent from a counter or ledge guard.
@henkiestudios51175 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention F-Air
@jerry31154 жыл бұрын
worth noting that steve has several tricks he can do with his up b to make it better. most basically, mashing A at the peak of the launch kicks him out of the elytra and extends his ledge grab range vertically. there is also some really funky stuff you can do with angles do go way farther. MVG has a great video on this stuff.
@jonahf84124 жыл бұрын
I believe puff should be in the honarble mentions. With multiple jumps and the second best air speed. It’s like robs where it is slow but goes high but puff can control her movement more. And she also has pound to help her out and for some good mixups.
@richardcurrie73084 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, I believe they mentioned something about characters with best recoveries being able to recover multiple ways, with and without their “JUMPS.” Jigglypuff is screwed without jumps, so she doesn’t pass. Sorry.
@KevSB074 жыл бұрын
Puff is very vulnerable while recovering, especially if she tries to recover below stage
@jonahf84124 жыл бұрын
@@richardcurrie7308 it isn’t common for jigglypuff to loose all their jumps because it is hard to edge guard puff because of her amazing mixups. So that is quite rare. And also that is not a very good argument because if bayo loses her jump she can’t use her second up sexual and zss can lose flip kick and they were both on the list.
@Simplemente_porque_si Жыл бұрын
Some other honorable mentions: 1: Sonic, Sonic’s up special is absolutely untouchable if you know how to work with it and it can be better yet by dodging up, 2: wolf, his side special, might not be the best but it’s definitely pretty good if used correctly
@Joshuaplaysgames280712 күн бұрын
Surprised pit wasn’t on here (and dark pit)
@gregm86934 жыл бұрын
Pretty much agree with this list. And even if you manage to hit bayo while she tries to recover, if your attack doesn't kill her, she'll still be able to try again no matter where she has been sent to.
@sinkbacteria77493 жыл бұрын
Here's my top 5 1. Ages(Pyra/Mythra): because it can hurt my ears 2. Greninja: you use renewable energy as your recovery instead of electricity 3. Little Mac: really good frame data + you don't need to edgeguard him 4. Ganondorf: this man simply can stand in the blastzone and auto-grab ledge because of how tall he is 5. Nana and Popo: it teaches you a lesson about friendship
@cheezyboy25113 жыл бұрын
I’ve always respected your channel. You always have very educated opinions that high level players can relate to.
@bluroguevyse084 жыл бұрын
This was super cool, great work guys!
@Spitfire_944 жыл бұрын
That Battle Revolution music 👌 No Pac-Man in honorable mentions? I was surprised considering a lot of top players speak highly of his insanely good recovery.
@glxyplays96863 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about steve recovery: If you flick down while the firework is out, you gain a large amount of vertical height.
@tropicar69423 жыл бұрын
Now that Sora's in the game, his recovery is definetly top 5, he can recover from virtually anywhere and usually the jump is jump icing on the cake.
@vick7868 Жыл бұрын
Sora is quite easy to edgeguard tho. Easy top 10 but top 5 is debatable
@JuhoSprite4 жыл бұрын
Yo the thumbial looking sick. I love when people use the ingamr camera mode instead of just using screenshot
@ryanramjattan87144 жыл бұрын
When a man made out of rectangles beat you at jumping back to safety
@krys30013 жыл бұрын
Really thought R.O.B. would be #1 over Bayo but great list. Except for Snake and PAC MAN, it feels like a very thorough list of the mix ups and options of the 5 plus honorable mentions.