Best Friends Play DmC: Devil May Cry - Definitive Edition (Part 10)

[@morbidabyss12]

Virgil:”Dante! Hold off the FBI while I delete all of my Bowsette OC’s” Donté:”oo Que la chingada güey” Virgil:”what?” Donté:”¿que?”

[@rand0md00d3]

*que te jodan intensifies*

[@Comkill117]

I wish Donté was canon.

[@rand0md00d3]

@@Comkill117 Imagine Donté hanging out with Dante. Perfect times XD It would be like the Lucifer moment but with 100x more spanish and pizza

[@Comkill117]

@@rand0md00d3 That would be the best timeline.

[@LanceAxel]

Donte isn't crushing on a girl that looks like his mom, he's crushing on a cardboard cutout that looks like a girl

[@rand0md00d3]

give Donte some cool water. He needs it atfer that *SICK BURN*

[@superapm9620]

Frankly I can think of more uses for a cardboard cutout compared to Kat.

[@baroquechevalier8516]

I like to call her Botox Face

[@baylaust]

Man, that part with Dante holding Kat's hand through Limbo could have been a really nice, really touching moment. If they had any chemistry at all. And if, you know, Kat were at all a character.

[@trickster721]

The part where he yells "THINK!" in her face while she's trying to think sums up this whole script so poetically.

[@Yal_Rathol]

she does have a character. she's tortured goth girl model A, "they called me crazy, but you showed me the truth".

[@MrDioXIII]

In a better game or film, that would be a good scene, a man with all the power to destroy his enemies unable to interact with his female love interest...Instead, it's in angst Rage Against The Machine with demons game.

[@JacksawJack]

Yeah, if Kat were really just a cat that Donte adopted out of trash can and it just hung around all game and did nothing but be a cat. It would make them both multitudes better. But then the little trash gremlin would steal the show as the best chara, er, only character in the game.

[@Horatio787]

It's really weird how they're supposed to be romantic but up until now they've basically just started to know each other.

[@GenerationWest]

Final Score Card: ASSSS

[@dkx7160]

It really bothers me that they've found every conceivable shitty acronym to make fun of their ranks, but this time they completely glossed over it

[@kohalurker]

to be fair, it reads more like AS Triple S because of how it's formatted

[@nikeanton7870]

@@dkx7160 Part of me thought they were aware about it, but just went silent and let it speak for itself. But it's just a guess, really.

[@Arvoyea]

Scott Steiner: FAAAT ASSES

[@Sonicfalcon16]

@@Arvoyea BAD ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@chrisossu2070]

You know the whole destruction of the Order probably would make more of an impact if we actually had the chance to explore the compound.

[@arbyw.1889]

Or to know anyone aside from Kat.

[@tbonevideos23]

From all the cutscenes it literally seemed like one warehouse up until this point

[@phobos5323]

Weirdest thing about that compound is that, in some paradoxical way, it's probably similar to what the original DMC was going to be, way back when it was still RE4, Sparda was Spencer and the twins were experiments like Wesker.

[@gomitax92]

if there were any side charecters other than virgil and kat

[@posterboy0007]

*Please feel bad about the random guy screaming, "Don't shoot!" before he is shot. (5 minutes later) "BITCH IS NEAR!!!"

[@mrm5191]

Soon, soon the holy trinity of the sacred symbols of Vergil shall be complete. The Vergil Fedora, the Vergilmobile and the Vergil Sniper Rifle.

[@4thSurviver]

I wish Vergil's organization also had to wear big blue Vs on their outfits.

[@Zekaz_Nohea]

Ah yes, his classic weapon, the honourable sniper rifle.

[@Lambtomo]

@@4thSurviver "Oh no, how did they find our secret hideout?!"

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

@@Lambtomo It was so *subtle*

[@nekky9534]

Don’t forget the fetus blood on his hands

[@poloecrazie]

Lady, a "prostitute" with gun, when surrounded by hordes of demons, pulled an acrobatic gun kata smockin sick style combo to decimate them while Dante is far away from her, doing his sick style combo too. Kat, a "good" female character, when surrounded by a SWAT team, scared as shit behind desk until Donte comes to her so she can think a way out. Geez, Ninja Theory, can you make her less... interesting? At least have her calm and study the situation if she cant fight. At least Kyrie throw herself to protect a child and she is a cardboard box

[@Brainwave101]

I just realized I can't actually remeber a single line from Kyrie besides "Nero!"

[@shademonki13]

I would honestly give Kyrie better odds against the SWAT team here.

[@josh-oo]

@@Brainwave101 I can think of a few others, but they all technically include that line because she's talking to him.

[@Famygdala]

Oh god, she did say that. Why did she say it like that?

[@josh-oo]

@@Famygdala Because that line is _meant_ to be innuendo.

[@P_Fighter893]

Imagine how much would be improved if Vergil just said 'Scum' and did a just frame Judgment Cut to that bladed butcher instead of it being a fight for Dante.

[@baroquechevalier8516]

But that would mean Ninja Theory would respect a certain character and they can't do that.

[@fissilewhistle]

God, the image of that is so cool.

[@josephnavarro2168]

Imagine if leading up to Vergil’s room there’s just a bunch of mutilated demon corpses which would be a subtle way of showing that Vergil is hiding his true power or something

[@Bugwinn-Boy]

C'mon guys let's be fair. Dante hasn't shown any outright sexual attraction to Trish. He held her, screamed at the heavens and cried a little bit which yeah a little weird and not something you'd do for someone you just met but it's not horny incestual behaviour. And their dynamic in 4 suggests nothing more than a friendship.

[@blurf3256]

BigBoyBounce yeah but it's funny though

[@TheSSBBfan666]

to be fair, its Nero that's got that forbidden incestous love. Kyrie's family DID take him in when he was little.

[@rand0md00d3]

@@TheSSBBfan666 It's Japan, man. It's just Japan.

[@rikowolfin4984]

@@TheSSBBfan666 I mean, he never considered Kyrie or her Brother as his family or takes their last name so it's not even close to incestous so much as just going out with your childhood friend. Like they would have banged regardless of what happened to Nero, so why is it suddenly creepy incest just because he lived at their house for a few years?

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@rikowolfin4984 I'm just citing Pat calling out Nero during this LP and saying he's not safe from the wholsome family fun. I jest Riko, nothing to slander the character intentionally.

[@redhellreaper9421]

Kat being able to make sigils that Dante can interact with in game is actually a pretty cool idea. If only they made more use of that than just some QTEs.

[@dricsi07]

During the marketing they made it out to be the case. Like she would be with you constantly like a mechanic but those were all lies.

[@trickster721]

How about instead of Kat working for Vergil, she's somebody that Dante has been paying to hide his trailer from demons and pull him out of limbo when he gets stuck. Then she could be involved in the game, and the relationships between the characters would actually make sense. Hey, I should be a writer for a big game studio!

[@trevingrayek791]

@@trickster721 I can get behind that idea. Dammit, I wish this game had better writing.

[@Yasahiro1011]

@@trickster721 Between all the ideas discussed on all the SBFP videos of this, you could make a "spiritual remake" of this game, that is literally just "what DmC should've been to be good" with enough changes to not get sued. God, they could've done so much to make this game fun

[@insaincaldo]

Is there actually any urgency to activating those, cause they sure don't have any urgency in being active.

[@Negajoe]

The intro car ride to these videos is like a depressingly awkward version of Cryme Tyme.

[@pablodelgado7919]

Yo yo yo. Pop a 40 and grab your Rolex. It's Cryme Tyme

[@moongoose8768]

Pop a 40? Like... down a 40oz real quick? Smoke a quarter ounce? What does that *mean?*

[@josh-oo]

@@moongoose8768 Pour the 40 on the curb and then *SMOKE! IT!*

[@tailedgates9]

The animation for Pat gets more glorious the more I see it. Lol

[@BurnTheDemon]

@@pablodelgado7919 Brooklyn Brooklyn!!! Bringin it bringin it bringin the hood to you

[@goodvillain1015]

29:04 Strong female character according to the director. Better than Trish and Lady according to the director.

[@darkice60000]

but trish and lady are hot and wear skimpy cloths while they fight goons and that immediately makes them bimbos as opposed to kats booty shorts and half unzipped hoodie to show off her cleavage while she cowers in the corner

[@trevingrayek791]

@@darkice60000 None of these women deserve to be called whores. This is just the director talking out his ass.

[@I-Roy]

I think you're misunderstanding the term "strong female character". It doesn't refer to physical strength or combat abilities. Being afraid to die doesn't make her a bad character or a weak character. Also that scene is really good.

[@trevingrayek791]

@@I-Roy See that part I agree with. I dont need a female character to be some kind of stoic badass. Unfortunately the writers still didn't give poor Kat any notable personality traits or a goal of her own.

[@I-Roy]

@@trevingrayek791 You're right. She's no Lady but I still like her.

[@goodvillain1015]

Oh no, Vergil's organization (that we barely know about) and people (we literally don't know about) are being destroyed. Don't you guys feel sad. Don't you feel the tension.

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Don't you feel your frustration getting bigger?

[@DeathC00ki]

Remember when the entire town of Fortuna got invaded by demons and everyone was just being brutally murdered while Dante was making a song about his dick?

[@MrNickPresley]

One of those jobbers got shot twice. Or, they just didn't have a lot of assets for random jobbers.

[@jman2856]

DMC4 isn’t the game that prides itself on being an investive serious story which is part of the reason Ninja Theory were hired to make DmC.

[@ianbrown1810]

I think that would have been interesting, like if the kat love sub plot wasnt forced here. Like dante breaks into the grounds and find virgil stright up tearing apat all the human riot police to which dante is like "but they are humans why are you killing them??" And virgil is just like "the death of the few will save the lives of the many" kinda bullshit and there is a kinda weird tension between dante and virgil for the misson and if kat get sacrificed like she was then that feeling should have sticked though the whole game

[@howiewong7057]

Glad those demons were polite enough to let Dante escort Kat from the cops before deciding to attack him again.

[@mud2294]

You know what would make Vergil's final boss battle more believable? If you came in and saw him fighting some demons in that server room, then Kat has to do the computer thingy and you and Vergil fought together in that arena, that would've been cool

[@godila2]

this is what makes no sense, because its easy fix for that, and ending part, seriously are they that dumb?

[@mud2294]

@@godila2 dissonance between devs and directors/ceo

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

Kay suppose to be a strong female character according to Ninja Theory Here’s an entire level of you protecting her while she runs in fear. Good job guys.

[@trevingrayek791]

I understand that she's afraid, so I'm not holding that against the game, but, yeah, the other thing is definitely a valid criticism.

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@trevingrayek791 Only reason I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt for her fear is cause if she was just afraid and worried I'd be fine with it. But they portrayed her as pretty much cowarding away from everything I just think they could have done that much differently to actually make her a stronger character like they said the would. But I do think the main problem is the thing you agree with is here's an entire mission where you protect her while she's not really providing anything when in the other games the Lady and Trish could definitely hold their own.

[@trevingrayek791]

@@JojoDigitalArtist Given the extent of her powers we've seen, I can buy that she might not be used to fighting directly and would understandably be shitting herself when faced with guys with guns. I'm not asking that she'd be unstoppable, but as previously stated, if she had been given more time with Dante, they could have given this section more impact and people wouldn't see her as weak. Really, it sucks that Ninja Theory dealt her such a bad hand.

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

@@trevingrayek791 Yeah I can agree with that she's not really a fighter so I'm not asking her to fight them off, but I'd rather they had just done something different with her during this scene so it felt less damsel in distress-ish. Oh for sure she's kind of just thrown in there as a cool female design but they didn't really do much else with her (so far at least) So there's not much reason to connect with her or care.

[@arn1345]

@@trevingrayek791 Main issue is she has no agency in the story, whereas Lady and Trish clearly do in 4. Ninja Theory seem to be a progressive darling while doing absolutely nothing of the sort deserving it. LITERALLY damsel in distress. C'mon guys.

[@TheStrxggler]

The part in which Kat plays the biggest hero to an ungrateful Vergin.

[@mr.platinum8388]

Vergin sees Kat give herself up, then puts on the fedora and says "Bravery Kat, Bravery...."

[@mud2294]

I don't think he ever cared for anyone other than Dante. At least that transitioned well

[@chrisossu2070]

Vergil's true nature was foreshadowed with the subtlety of a truck. The problem is buying his reasoning and the fact that he's the final boss. Also because we have someone to compare him to who's so much better.

[@bearandthebull2372]

Better idea,make her a boss battle assistant by making her interact with the outside area to give dante help.

[@williamharmon4039]

Chris Chen True. He kind of gave it away when he said "meningitis is a human condition, Dante. You are not human." That was blatant foreshadowing of how he looks down on humans as weak and inferior.

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Donte with shurikens. Man, that's his ninja way, believe it. At this point, I'm not even sure which Dante would do the dumb ninja run ironically.

[@LittleMountain90]

Classic Dante would do it unironically. He'd be super into how dumb it is.

[@dricsi07]

OG Dante: Dose the Ninja run ironicly for sits and gigles. Dino: Dose the Ninja run Unironic thinking that it will make him "cool" and would take it super siriously like a weeb.

[@sphealingit222]

Classic Dante would do the run unironically but it'd be framed as dorky jackassery, Dino would do the run ironically to attempt to mock it and it'd be the worst.

[@GoldLight73]

I mean, he DOES kind of do the arm thing when he angel dashes

[@bearandthebull2372]

They both would unironically

[@YourFavoriteDakimakura]

23:34 Where did Vergil get that gun? Why didn't he give it to Dante from the start? Did he download it from the computer?

[@trevingrayek791]

He printed it

[@mikedawson5917]

You wouldn't download a not-FAMAS

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

Somewhere in the distance, A Coyote is crying.

[@dracocrusher]

In all fairness, I imagine his group has lots of guns and once he sees Dante 'supposedly' struggling with enemies weak to bullets he just sends him the thing he needs. But that kind-of raises the question of how Vergil's cowering from the cops if he has a loaded shotgun AND Yamato!

[@darthkahn45]

Mission 12: Race to delete the Loli porn

[@rand0md00d3]

Pretty sure Vergin is into the Spider-Loli from Spiderverse

[@godsplayingfield]

@@rand0md00d3 ..... spider-loli? is... is that a thing? does that actually exist? and is it as bad as i think it is? i sure as shit aint gonna google it!

[@rand0md00d3]

@@godsplayingfield ...you know about spiderverse right?

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

@@godsplayingfield Ravioli ravioli don't lewd the spider loli

[@NeoDMC]

They could have easily had Vergil kill that thing in a Cutscene to establish he can take care of himself in Limbo, then have the fight to protect Kat. There was no need to have the player kill another worthless Butcher.

[@TheJadedJames]

I agree. But there is an entire school of thought in game design that seems to be against action sequences in cutscenes. I get where they are coming from ... but there are times when it is appropriate

[@godsplayingfield]

the reasoning behind it is that Vergil is trying to hide the fact he exists. if another asshole dragged into Limbo is able to suddenly destroy everything in his path, whatever force watching Dante in Limbo (y'know, the one screaming bitch at him all the itme) would probs be like "... hey Mundus.... this new guy exists... and he appears to have what seems to be the Yamato... the thing that cuts your hellgate apart? should we worry bout that?" now thats the in game reasoning. personally i still think thats entirely bullshit and i am sure they would have searched the house for shit and found records of Vergil existing thus been on guard against a second Nephilim... but hey... this is from the dude that said Kat was better than any woman in the Dante DMC games.... writing aint his strong point apparently.... atleast in this one.

[@PolarPhantom]

@@godsplayingfield I'm confused on how Limbo works, to be frank. Like... can humans enter Limbo? I was under the impression no but... ah forget it.

[@godsplayingfield]

@@PolarPhantom it's really not clear. i would assume they can atleast be partially dragged into limbo, considering the "prison" and what you see in Mundus's offices, they defo cant be fully in the real world considering how they are acting and flying about and shit. it's just normal people become those shade looking things and go insane super fast. while i suspect if Kat was dragged in she would mostly be fine but unable to do shit (y'know, like how she is in the real world) it's just unlike Donte and Virgil they probs have to do something specific to drag them in and not just force limbo phase or whatever around them like with the brothers cause... i dunno, as the brothers are mostly supernatural and have closer ties to the eatherial nature of things, they're more vulnerable to that shit. i will say this is all entirely my assumption from playing the game a couple times and trying to apply some sense to it all, as far as i am aware this is not addressed at all in any way past the mediums stuff. even then it's still really vague.

[@Vegadra]

When a mini boss feels more like a true Vergil battle then the actual Vergil battle in this game.

[@rand0md00d3]

If the twist was Drekavac was actually Vergil, it would have been fucking badass. But Vergin isn't badass. He wears fedoras.

[@HeinrichKonig]

I quite like that bit at 28:40. He's basically walking her through a piece of the shit he's had to endure at the hands of the police as he tried to fight back and failed. I think it's a neat little bit of characterization... Shame about everything else in the game.

[@rikowolfin4984]

Hey, why didn't Kat just summon Dante back to the real world to help her, or go to Limbo herself? Wouldn't Dante just easily destroy all of the cops by himself and be able to save Kat? He is already considered a murderer and these cops are clearly evil, no reason not to at this point.

[@PolarPhantom]

@@rikowolfin4984 I guess Kat didn't have her spray paint?

[@rikowolfin4984]

@@PolarPhantom But she was spraying shit all over the place, she could have summoned Dante back in that hole in the wall and he could have saved a lot more people.

[@dracocrusher]

@@PolarPhantom At best, she left her dumb stencil behind and couldn't use it to cheat a circle to bring Dante back for some reason, but this is still really stupid and Dino's an idiot for even assuming they'll give her mercy when they've been ordered to just kill everyone they see. But nope! Kat has to live because she's the love interest, therefore, she's important because Dino wants to stick it in something that's not a hooker for once even though they've only had one actual conversation before this point about their personal lives. What a hero.

[@rikowolfin4984]

Things that could make this part of the game better: 1: Red Mask guy turns out to be Vergil testing Dantes skills for later, which would show that Vergil is not only smart because he hides his identity perfectly, but also that he is a strong fighter when he needs to be and is hiding his skills when he doesn't put on the mask. It would also make for great foreshadowing from the start of the game when Vergil was talking behind a mask to the public. 2: Show Kat is capable by herself but still needs help from Dante, she is a witch god damn it, have her use traps and seals to make her way past swat and only needing Dantes help with inhuman things like breaking down walls and slowing swat down, she is supposed to be smart and doesn't need to be yelled at by Dante to "Think". 3: Have Dante walk in on Vergil easily killing the Butcher attacking the seal to the computers with a Judgement cut, this throws people off of the Red Mask reveal later as it's a move that it never uses and it shows that Vergil while not a real fighter like Dante, isn't completely useless and it gets people hype to see more of him. 4: Don't have Dante run away at the end, instead he has to make a choice, leave and hope Kat's surrender lets her live or stay and have her summon him to the real world and have to kill the swat to allow her to escape, facing the first time he has ever had to kill a real human and deciding it was something he hated to reaffirm his devotion to hating Demons. This of course doesn't allow Kat to escape, she can ether be captured by demons as it's obviously some one important to Dante and Vergil, or the Red Mask Demon captures her and delivers her to the police himself to be arrested as a way for Vergil to remove any weakness from Dante and to direct his anger towards Mundus. 5: Make the Data actually IMPORTANT! All it would take is one line from Vergil saying "These computers have all of the Orders information on them, plans, hides outs, and the identity of people who helped the Order or are working as double agents. If they get their hands on it a lot more people will die and our plans to take down Mundus are destroyed!" and with that the player has a reason to stay behind, Vergils real motives are masked over some belief he is doing this to help others while really just playing off Dantes emotions, and it makes Kat's capture feel like a loss still while not completely losing.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

It just dawned on me, but Donte is the Jared Leto Joker of Devil May Cry.

[@rand0md00d3]

Donte: I like it rough *sucker for pain intensifies*

[@Kcbookguru]

What on earth is even on those drives Virgil, what plans do you have written up. Every plan so far ends at Dante go kill a thing. Must be porn on those drivesl

[@rikowolfin4984]

You know what would have been a GREAT reason to protect those drives? If Vergil said "It contains information on our plans, hides outs and everyone working with The Order, not just the ones that are here right now" and it implies Vergil is trying to protect his organization from dying completely from this attack. Instead we don't get shit, Vergil looks like a weak baby and a complete jack ass.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

@@rikowolfin4984 As well as it turns out it also contains some data on his future plans for after Mundus dies and Vergil takes his place, laying out his plans for humanity and demons alike

[@WandererRedux]

Stupid thing 10: the more I watch of this game, the more I remember just how much it forces the player to wait between combat encounters. Generally it's not as noticeable (since the game typically has you running through overly large and barren environments during these moments), but having Donte fight through waves of enemies in that server room while on a non-existent timer ticks down is *really* blatant. Was this a hardware limitation for the PS3/360 that Ninja Theory had to account for or a stylistic choice? If it's the latter then it fucking sucks. Reminder on the Vergil/Kat relationship too: apparently they were intimate prior to DmC, but Vergil erased her memories when he felt like she was making him weaker (you know, by not being a complete self absorbed twat) and so her could better use her as a tool. So not only did Vergil groom Kat to be a useful asset to his cause (and possibly to be his lover), but the moment he realised he might care about someone other than himself he stole her memories and agency as a person. He's a total creep.

[@rand0md00d3]

...and apparently NT thought this was a better reimagining of Vergil? And Capcom let them do it?

[@PolarPhantom]

Man, that might frankly push Vergin into potential Complete Monster territory. Of course, a sequel will never happen, so he'd never really count, but still.

[@marialuke2116]

So Vergin ended up NTRing himself? That's hilarious.

[@gunnarschlichting9886]

I think the pauses were for if the player wanted to buy upgrades/items. There is a statue in the room for that purpose.

[@WorldsRichestLesbian]

14:26 nice gun handling, left hand directly on the muzzle

[@willg8035]

The model of the gun doesn't even fit pose properly, it's hilarious.

[@demilung]

Listen, these guys with guns will only be in a few cutscenes in two levels, we can only afford to make one model of "guy with a gun", but we have several gun models laying around. So yeah, when we have him carrying some kind of bullpup rifle, which is shorter, his hand is kind of holding the air where a longer rifle like an AK or an M4 would still have the handguard. But c'mon, nobody will notice that.

[@rustledentity5511]

The joys of having content creators whose only knowledge of guns is that they go pew pew and make the bad guys go away when you pull the trigger. That's a good way to lose his hand.

[@willg8035]

@@rustledentity5511 "You see Ivan" moment played out seriously. Amazing really

[@keystrix3704]

He's probably the guy who thought it was a good idea to shoot the suspect before taking in the suspect. No way that could've gone horribly wrong.

[@boredwools2158]

Now that DMC5 is confirmed to take place after 2, will the Super Best Cowards be brave enough to hide from playing it yet again? What will they do in between Donte's Adventure and DMC5? 2nd gig Virgil runs? Actually, I would be fine with that.

[@rand0md00d3]

pops up *Vergil's Downfall has been installed*

[@baroquechevalier8516]

- Vergil's Downfall - DMC3D Mobile game - DMC4 Refrain - DMC4SE Vergil Run - Dante's Inferno The list goes on and on.

[@kimmedavid]

@@baroquechevalier8516 what Has Dantes Inferno to do with the devil May cry series?

[@baroquechevalier8516]

@@kimmedavid it's a joke. One recurring comment is that they can postpone Dante's Inferno all they want but they can't escape it

[@PolarPhantom]

That Red Mask didn't turn out to be Vergil is the biggest missed opportunity in this game.

[@jman2856]

Ah, but it subverted your expectations! You would expect Vergil would be the mysterious Red Mask warrior follwing Dante around because that would be interesting and benefit the story but no, he’s just some nobody enemy which means it’s brilliant storytelling!

[@rand0md00d3]

@@jman2856 That's some last jedi comment you got there X'D But seriously Drekavac as Vergil would've been perfect.

[@PolarPhantom]

@@jman2856 Since you didn't get round to my last comment I will tell you right now: That isn't subverting expectations. From a literary standpoint, to subvert expectations is when you make the audience think something's going to happen and then you go in a different direction. DmC does not do this. It simply does nothing with my expectations. That's not subversive. I did not want to make assumptions about what you were saying, but I suppose I shall now because you seem to have forgotten this comment while it's been on my mind over the past couple of days: Now, if you're trying to throw shade at The Last Jedi, here are some other things I shall tell you: saying that people liked The Last Jedi just because it was "subversive" is strawmanning. I'm sure some do hold that opinion, but I think they're wrong because The Last Jedi isn't subversive. Or, rather, it's not subversive if you really delve deep and pay attention, which I only did after watching the film. From what The Force Awakens set up, as well as the mythic structure of Star Wars and what Lucas, as flawed as he may be, intended, in hindsight I can say with confidence that The Last Jedi follows up on what was set up perfectly. SPOILERS If, for example, you're pissed off about Rey's parents being nobodies then please remember that Maz Kanata straight up tells her they're never coming back and will never be important. Why, then, would you think her dad would be Luke or Han? Obi Wan maybe if you really wanna stretch it but that's not the point. The point is that Rey needs to look ahead and not backwards and that was clear throughout TFA as well as TLJ. People trying to prove some special lineage are like Rey trying desperately to find out her parents weren't scum. I could go on about why it's fine she's strong with the Force and how demanding she have some special parent is both foolish in canon because almost every Jedi in the prequels had normal parents and that this is a very creepy Eugenics-fueled idea, but I will leave that for now. And probably forever. I may never look at this comment again. And if you are talking smack about The Last Jedi... why? Do you just trudge through comments looking for opportunities to rant about it? Cause I didn't mention it at all until now.

[@DenimGiant]

So I had an idea on how to fix this game's story and make it interesting. When Sparda (a demon knight who turned against his own kind and married an angel, living with her on earth and fighting for humanity) and his wife Eva (Angel who similarly abandoned heaven to live on Earth) are found by the demon assassins, Eva grabs the boys and runs while Sparda stays to fight the demons, Dante gets separated and somehow escapes but is lost. Eva and Vergil are cornered by an assassin demon and Eva is slain but as she dies, Vergil absorbs her power, which causes his previously black hair to become white with power, but makes him easier to track because his power is detectable while Dante is below the radar but still strong. This explains why Vergil is in hiding. Sparda is captured and chained, and is kept in Mundus' personal chambers a trophy of his triumph and superiority. He's also possibly being used as a battery of power? (Depends on whether you want to paint Mundus as a leech of power, the cause for his world dominating power?). Then the game proceeds as normal. Dante is who he is and at the end when he kills Mundus, he frees his father who is emaciated but proud of his son, he dies in his son's arms, Dante absorbs his pwoer and his hair becomes white, and he absorbs his father as a Devil Arm, the sword Sparda. Instead we got this.

[@clansullivan6059]

Lore time! Bob Barbas gives out an angel weapon because he’s actually a fallen angel, who worships Mundus as a new god. And, the reason that there is angel trigger, just like there is no devil movement options is also due to story reasons (that are not mentioned in the story). Angels move, dodge, fly, and fight at a distance- this is why Osiris and Aquila have such long range, and why the angel whip pulls YOU and you get an angel fly. Demons fight, fight, and fight, which is why it’s the Devil Trigger (FOR DAMAGE) and up close weapons like the socker boppers and an axe, and why the whip pulls things to you.

[@dricsi07]

Did you came up with this on your own? Honest question since the game never explains or mentions any of this.

[@mr.platinum8388]

Oh so Bob was a fallen angel? I'm grateful that the game explained that....

[@TheReclaimer1321]

I could believe that...If it weren't for the no explanation the game gives for that, and secondly the flying demons that shoot at you from afar

[@SinHurr]

Good fan theories. Too bad Ninja probably didn't actually plan any of that.

[@MrDioXIII]

Nice Headcannon, too bad this was never explained or shown in game.

[@nobucat3544]

YEyeyeye. That music gets me so hype, in the intro, every time.

[@twomo1]

We are the baddest motherfuckers, boya!!!!!!!

[@ExemplarKyle]

2:36 THIS is why DMD mode SUCKS ASS in this game. Almost *every single enemy* has angel/devil specific weaknesses. It doesn't particularly make things harder; It just trivializes combats to the point of boredom and severely limits the variety of combos you can do.

[@Gustavozxd13]

Woolie's salty people called him out for not using charge shot

[@Azzabackam]

Woolie's salty people called him out on being SUPER WRONG

[@AfroMetalMizu]

Next ep Vergil gets his most iconic weapon. One that he never uses again just like Beowulf

[@0rriAndroid]

GUN! GUN! GUN!

[@ghostfear2011]

AfroMetalMizu FETUS DELETUS

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

The bester of the trimester.

[@Scroteydada]

It one shots 2 demons.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

@@Scroteydada at the same time

[@willg8035]

STRONG. FEMALE. CHARACTER.

[@VergilHiltsLT]

Prostitute pretending to be a damsel in distress!

[@The4thSnake]

Guys, there was NEVER an indication that Dante had a thing for Trish. Stop it.

[@SlayerOfKleiners]

So here's something I don't get. What data were Vergil and Kat actually so goddamn concerned about grabbing off the servers? Their "plans"? Outside of the introduction, the Order's been depicted as basically a three-man job up to now, and it's not like taking down Bob Barbas or destroying Virility have required much careful strategizing, certainly not terabytes' worth -- every major blow against Mundus has been "send Dante to style on this location, and Kat can pull him out when he's done". You could fit Vergil's onscreen plans into a small Word doc. We never see the rest of the Order until they're all getting gunned down. We don't know anything else that they've done since they appear to have made zero impact until Dante came along. By the time they're worried about the data, they've already lost their bafflingly huge headquarters and most of their manpower, and Vergil knows Kat is going to be captured. And Mundus *already knows* Dante is going for his weak spots, so I doubt having information about where Dante is going next would do much to hurt the cause. The only other thing I could think for Vergil to worry about is his plan for taking over the demon world at the end, but... why would he write that down or save it in a server? He's the only one who needs to know about it, and it's not actually a complex plan at all. Color me befuddled.

[@BuildABarns]

Charge shot in this game is actually really good because it's a auto target ricochet.

[@phobos5323]

Anyone else wanna see Vergil getting his own versions of Aquila and Osiris in DMC5? I think they would suit him. ...not as much as the sniper rifle though.

[@PolarPhantom]

Absolutely. It would honestly be a great adaptation to make.

[@phobos5323]

You know what would be a cool call-back in 5? If Vergil sees Nero using Blue Rose, and he's just disappointed.

[@FoxNinja4000]

@@phobos5323 Why do you think Vergil took Nero's arm/yamato? He was simply grounding his son for using firearms. Vergil: "You're grounded for using a gun so I'm taking these away until you earn them back!"

[@phobos5323]

@@FoxNinja4000 I hate chou daaaad ngyehhh I'm going to sleep at my girlfriends house

[@rand0md00d3]

@@phobos5323 and we'll start a beeeeeeaaaaaand and it's gonna be called Devils Never Cry! It's gonna be great! Vergil: FOOLISHNESS

[@GuyUWishUWere]

In the beginning of the game Kat said Dante could shoot her dead from limbo. Doesn't that mean he could intervene in this raid? I'm not saying he should be killing the swat team, but he's invisible to them right? What's stopping him from incapacitating them?

[@PolarPhantom]

I think the idea is that because Kat is sort of "in between" she can be affected by stuff in Limbo. Dante cannot harm the Swat team, whom are fully a part of the "real world".

[@GuyUWishUWere]

@@PolarPhantom but he could pull that shelf over to flatten that one cop right? Why not start throwing TVs around? Poltergeist their asses!

[@125happyguy]

@@GuyUWishUWere Because Kat had painted a sigil on the shelf.

[@GuyUWishUWere]

@@125happyguy oh. didn't a ferris wheel get destroyed and start rolling down the pier earlier? did Kat draw a sigil on that?

[@tbonevideos23]

@@125happyguy couldnt she just paint a sigil on a rock and have donte juta hit people over and over again with it?

[@bobbynick5358]

I never saw it. original Dante having a crush on Trish? he cares about her because she looks like his dead mother, but that's about it, that what I saw. The ending in dmc 1 was cheesy and funny tho, but a normal reaction to have. I think they act more like friends, and room-mates and also abit as rivals who are messing with each who is better mostly they all act abit like Dante now, later on in the series. (counting dmc 4 and the anime) I see him acting abit flirty to Lady more... but in dmc 3 only, but he was acting more like kid teasing around then anything else.

[@josh-oo]

*DMC3 Dante pulls Lady's hair because he likes her*

[@Zappy_C]

I think they're just saying Dante has a crush on Trish for the memes

[@ProxyDoug]

@@Zappy_C Kinda like the Wakka jokes? Since they miss the point of his character as well.

[@bobbynick5358]

@@josh-oo and being shot in the face from her means she likes him LOL

[@bobbynick5358]

​@@Zappy_C Ah I see, I miss that meme part. but DMC what yeah gonna do? you took it seriously as a teen, but now grown up, you can see how silly and memey it can be. "Fill your dark soul with light" is still funny. But I think DmC "Fuck Batman" Dante. The most funny part is the "Who will take his place?" scene. that takes the cake.

[@jman2856]

Ah yes, the mandatory “The big bad has somehow found our secret base, let’s go save only the main characters” mission.

[@Dd5yr5g]

I swear when Donte screams using angel weapons he sounds EXACLY like avgn screaming AASSSSSSS

[@apathy4L]

It's like pat's doing everything in his power not to buy or use tornado 2 on aquila

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

10:25 Oh dear.... I may have figured out why that enemy design is so pleasing. Red mask, dual swords, short range teleport and bullet deflection? This demon is Edgelord Deadpool.

[@Radditz770]

Vergil isn't weak. Thw game literally tells you that the reason he isn't doing any fighting is because Mundus doesn't know he exists, and that's an advantage they can't afford to lose, but if he would start fighting even one demon like the big fat in Limbo, they risk Mundus finding out there's another nephilim.

[@Wanderer_of_Sol]

So, I'm confused. Why didn't Kat just spray a sigil on the ground, bring Dante back to the real world, and let him style on the swat?

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

She ran out of squirrel jizz

[@Wanderer_of_Sol]

I don't think that's even possible.

[@InugamiTheHound]

When Dante enters the room he can see Vergil getting his sword ready. Dante just steps in and fights the monster. Vergil could have fought it but he didn't get a chance.

[@rand0md00d3]

...why would he be shy on slaying an enemy in front of Donte?

[@rikowolfin4984]

Dante enters the room, the Butcher is already there banging on the seal while Vergil is cowaring behind it with his sword at the ready for after it breaks. Vergil is in Limbo so there is nothing he could do with the computers really meaning there was not much of a reason for him to be behind the seal to begin with, meaning if he really could fight the Butcher as well as Dante he had no reason to not be doing that and then go back to the computers. Dante rushes in and fights the demons with out a second thought, he doesn't hesitate or considers them a possible threat, something Vergil does not do. Vergil considers fighting as a last resort for himself which is why he sits back and does nothing while Dante does literally all of the work for him.

[@rand0md00d3]

@@rikowolfin4984 good explanation

[@RandoChrisYT]

So how close are we to the best of the Vergilmobile? Also...the more I look at Donte, especially with the song playing at 2:00...the more I think he looks like Ruby Rose's angsty older brother.

[@josh-oo]

@Jordan De Nobrega RWBY is not a magnificent show, dude. It's trash as much as this is.

[@josh-oo]

@Jordan De Nobrega Yes.

[@nerodeadweightclaudius5422]

RWBY was good until Beacon fell.

[@Comkill117]

17:21 you know Kat, even Kyrie the Cardboard Box saves that one kid from the Scarecrows.

[@krusnik94]

Not to rag on you guys or anything but I feel this LP is like a book club meeting for a book we all really didn't like but we are awkwardly trying to pass the time when we'd all rather be bowling or something

[@superapm9620]

I'd Love to go Bowling with Bayonetta

[@rand0md00d3]

@@superapm9620 While Dante's eating pizza and watching everyone score.

[@superapm9620]

RanD0M D00D Assuming he's as bad at Bowling as he is at Gambling...

[@laterned]

How did Dante’s model not get noticed that his jacket clipped through the bottom of his shirt in a cutscene at 29:54 during development? Did no one see that while testing? Because it seems obvious to me lol

[@gaminggoddess85]

Somehow clipping still hasn't been defeated even in 2018.

[@4Wilko]

Kat "interacting" with the keypads looks really bad. Just look at 18:32.

[@Multi-Tech]

So, at the beginning of the game, Kat says that if he shoots her while he's in limbo, she'll die...... So why can't Donte just shoot the swat team members?

[@XxxSp3kTr4xxX]

Dante, we need time to delete terabytes of snapchats before the IR- I mean, the demons, find us

[@Epsilon246]

@@Xeroph619 Maybe the self detruct leterally destroys the hard drives?

[@tsarzamancorpdna]

14:00 years later and this bit still cracks me up

[@PureMetalDragon]

Strong female character: (on verge of tears) Dante, I don't know what to do....

[@shamelesssellout4082]

Vergil: "Have you heard of CP, Dante!?" That explains the fedora in the original release...

[@TheDapperCat]

People keep saying Kat was suppose to be a "strong female character" but that's not the actual quote from Tameem. The quote people are thinking of is that Tameem and NT don't design female characters with big breasts as it's lazy and they try to create female characters you could imagine as your girlfriend (referencing Trip from Enslaved as an example of this done right) then said "That to me is more attractive than a prostitute walking around with a big gun" which is clearly a not-so-subtle reference to Lady & Trish in DMC4. Kat is suppose to be the damsel in distress you save from the big jerk Vergil, she's not suppose to be deep, she's suppose to be your waifu.

[@dralakba-dusk31]

still she's not in my top over 9000 waifus

[@TheDapperCat]

Well the real secret is she's Tameem's Waifu

[@KoyFoster]

WTH? He got an S despite double item use? Baby mode.

[@galgow]

i like how they dont even pretend dino cares about vergil, even though he supposedly has more of a relationship to him than to katt, having grown up with him and being a nepehlim and all

[@Playernumbernull]

"How does a place like this stay hidden at all?" Umbrella lab logic.

[@TheJadedJames]

I'm still of the opinion that the original DMC still has the best enemies. I loved that shapeshifting shadow cat thing. The intro to the Dreamreaver almost harkens back to that with quasi-rivalry dynamic happening, wherein you don't even get to finish the fight. Dante was obviously aware of demons and Limbo in the first level. He initially tries to reject Kat's help on the basis that he already knows how to escape Limbo. And even explains to Kat later on that he went to a school or orphanage blah blah blah that was run by demons (which he killed). The only thing Kat and Vergil needed to explain to him was the origin of his powers.

[@CrazyAlucard666]

i love it how pat is like " this is the best move" when he only does the most basic shit.

[@ncala]

So wait...does Dante have powers outside of limbo, is he just human in the human world? Because I can't think of a reason why he didn't just drop in the middle of the SWAT team and Arbitered them all to death. And holy crap I forgot the order had more than Kat and Vergnevermind they are all dead. And why did Vergil wait so long before giving Dante the shotgun...actually why didn't he just give it to Dante when they met before sending him to the demon infested Ancestral Sparda Manor? And if Vergil has been running the Order for years why didn't he already have backups in case he had to wipe the slate and run? Also, backups of what. The schematics of Mundus's building? His browser history? The script for this game? That should not need several minutes to download, right? I suppose I should not be too caught up on details at this point, but I am feeling unusually bugged by this stuff. Oh hey the ONE COOL ENEMY in this game makes an appearance and vanishes before we can enjoy his presence. B ranking stands for Blueballs now.

[@HaitokuNoHonoo1000]

"the script for this game" just freaking straight up killed me omg... Who knows, maybe he was doing a back up of Donté memes

[@Knightess]

"Why does he have a tomb? Ah whatever," summarises this game completely. Thank you, Pat.

[@oradrive745]

Oh boy I forgot how hell bent virgil was on deleting his dmc 3 shirtless fighting porn

[@jenkind1]

Can somebody make a compilation video of Pat flipping through menus at lightning speed over and over without buying or equipping anything? He does it in God of War and all the Devil May Crys. Possibly other places like Silent Hill but its been too long.

[@mud2294]

20:19 Small hint at Vergil's true intentions. The end justify the means

[@Jay-ln1co]

Virgil has to delete all those spicy memes.

[@IbeCosmic]

Why Is woolie talking about his child porn again after the incident? He knows he's not allowed within 5 nautical miles of a child or pizzeria.

[@rikowolfin4984]

So That's the reason Liam had to leave the channel.

[@0rriAndroid]

So Dante is Dino. Vergil is Vergin. Someone gimme a good mock name for Nero.

[@redhellreaper9421]

Nerd

[@coolboyyo654]

Nero

[@boredwools2158]

Nerdo Easy.

[@TheStrxggler]

Doesn't exist since Vergin never scored.

[@0rriAndroid]

^^^

[@KeroKaminaX]

reminder that sparda was mundus's second in command

[@Jojje94]

PfS: Pat forgets Shredder (Part 10)

[@tailedgates9]

What's funnier? Donte's loud yelling of "Rawr! Reer!! RER!!" Or Zoom in on Donte's face

[@Comkill117]

The zoom, it gets me every time.

[@akramirez]

In attempting to binge this lp, I fell asleep. I wasn’t tired, my body just knows what’s good for me.

[@Karakuioshi]

Pat: "Let's upgrade everything on rebelion!" *Never uses drive, stinger, trillon stabs, etc.*

[@MLGHazrad]

Mundus is watching them trying to escape. Mundus doesn't know that Vergil is a son of sparda until like the second final battle. So Vergil is trying to act helpless and have Dante fight all the monsters

[@grex8913]

Real funny way to cheese that whole sequence is hover over that giant hole and pull enemies into it.

[@liquid_refreshment2791]

I'm glad I don't have to experience this alone.

[@mr.platinum8388]

We all have to stick together in order to survive this (possibly) last stop on the Devil May/Never Cry train.

[@Comkill117]

Kat: “I don’t know what to do, I’m trapped in here!” Trish: (starts shooting lightning) Beryl: (starts lining up sniper shots) Lucia: (starts slashing and throwing knifes) Lady: (starts firing rockets and using gun-kata moves) Patty: (starts complaining at the wall) Kyrie: (smiles and the wall just decided to disappear) Nico: (busts into the room in the van)

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Pat's "You know what I mean?" returns

[@aivalera]

26:46 When the game gives you a chance to use the divinity statue and no one appreciates it.

[@Tenchigumi]

"How does this place stay hidden at all? Look at how big it is!" It looks big because Dante is seeing Limbo. They had a detailed conversation early in the game about how places in Limbo are dramatically more expansive than their real-world counterparts, and then show it to you as you see the Virility warehouse literally explode into a gigantic platforming mission spread out atop an endless void... and would demonstrate this same visual point relentlessly through the entire game.

[@TheBmb-ki8gj]

The screaming with the angel weapons really isn't as ear grating as the guys are making it sound.

[@rikowolfin4984]

They aren't saying it's ear grating they are saying it sounds weird.

[@Psyche1903]

Damn, Red Mask reminds me of that bald priest from the Castlevania Netflix series. The one who's eye Trevor whipped out and later came back as a demon enemy. The agility, bladed-weapons, and status as a kind of mini-boss made me think of him.

[@whymee123]

yes, absolutely best enemy for this game. actually has an intro, isn't some repeat of a puppet or marionette and has a legitimate play mechanic and the design is cool looking for a dmc game

[@GrimmsKey]

When does he figure out the true combo of buy-in to Tornado?

[@zailaurence2385]

So you guys remember how in part 1 Kat (who was in the real world) had her hands up in response to Donte (who was in Limbo) aiming his guns at her? Even saying that she'll die if Donte shoots her? So what kept him from shooting at the SWAT team now? Especially when they were beating the dog piss out of Kat?

[@PolarPhantom]

I think the idea is that because Kat is sort of "in between" she can be affected by stuff in Limbo. Dante cannot harm the Swat team, whom are fully a part of the "real world".

[@4thSurviver]

Now I know nothing about this universe but I assumed she would die because she was a medium and was the bridge between worlds or some nonsense. If he can effect anyone in the real world from limbo then maybe he was comboing and aerial raving women in children on that crowed pier in the beginning.

[@TheReclaimer1321]

The better and more frustrating question, why did Dante have the ability to help Kat at all? He was still IN Limbo that whole time. Why was he able to follow her completely unhindered? Doesn't Limbo just spawn demons to fight him all the time, and shift so he can't act in the normal environment? The answer is laziness. ewe

[@mud2294]

10:30 Sad they didn't recognized the mask is the one that Vergil uses in his anonymus videos, but to be fair Vergil's blue. so there's the implication that there were two of the Katana dudes (the ones you kill later on have no mask) or that the ones that have a mask are part of a demon elite and Vergil killed one of them and took the mask, this is just speculation but i hope the game could confirm it

[@cottonmouthaudio5041]

I don't think Dante had hots for Trish, dude's never even had sex.

[@matrix3509]

That attack that Pat did against the WSitch at 2:57 just sounds like someone banging on an aluminum pipe. Fuckin' outstanding foley work Ninja Theory. /s

[@TJK10]

15:32 We did get a flashback of young Dino holding a severed demon head, so...

[@trevingrayek791]

It's almost like they weren't paying attention. ALMOST!

[@Rock-tc3qg]

29:27 hole in center of floor gets magically fixed?

[@ridjf]

(Frequent zoom-ins to Dino's greasy rat-face)

[@chriskoloski32]

The fact I haven't seen Pat use and abuse tornado astonishes me

[@chuckleshelicopterwigwamjo6305]

Yeah, buy-in straight into tornado was always absurdly good

[@darkeimp555]

Gdi those impressions of Dino's battle grunts are killing me lmao 😂

[@Jenohart]

Y'know, thinking about it, this whole game could've had the dynamic of Vergil fighting alongside Dante as an ally. Like instead of him cowering against a single enemy, you team up and fight a wave of enemies like in Arkham 2. Could've had the game we all wanted with Dante and Vergil co-op being more of a focus. And it's not like "there was no time to program that" or anything, all his moves are there for, y'know, that thing we wait the whole game for. Yet they go out of the way to tell the player and Dante how weak Vergil is and then expect anyone to take him seriously at the end. Just keep the basic moveset and AI and have it target enemies and not the player. It's not even a "unfortunate they couldn't do it" situation, it's just a weird lack of ambition or any coherent vision of what the game should be.